DC #315: ABC Tornadoes, Tornadoes, Tornadoes

I just started listening to the podcast and I must say, WARNING TO SAM FANS! In the first 5 mnutes it ain't pretty!

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Oh come on it's not that bad...the only thing I said was what I've already said before. that I don't want her to be a Cassadine....lol

I believe the title/heading is misspelled.

Regarding Babe and Erica. Didn't Erica go to jail for a significant time for stealing Maria's baby?

And, once again, Lady Jane commented on the fact that she knew James was Jerry because she could see that he was her son because of his eyes.

You're comments about Babe were dead on, Luke. And, my problem w/ Babe goes beyond just her withholding the truth about Miranda. It was what happened to the characters of Tad, David, JR, Adam, Bianca, etc.

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Thank You Jamie about Alexis and Jerry aka james craig!!!!

Didn't Erica go to jail for a significant time for stealing Maria's baby
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She was out before the commercial break.

of course Babe has to die a hero. GMAFB. I'm just so happy babe is dead. Jamey close it cause Luke i sooooo agree with you.

babe is trash and i cant stand her. I know longer have to worship Babe's all mighty vajayjay.

Death by Douche!!! LOL!! On OLTL I to am sad to see Tina going. The thing is, RC pry wanted to give us the Tina that we knew and loved, but that SOB Fronz proably whouldn't let him.

Here's an idea, how about all of you who cover ABC on here invade ABC Daytime! I can totally see Jamey kidnapping Fronz and saying "I'm the boss now" Belinda can help RC over at OLTL, Tina can fix GH, and Luke can help Pratt repair AMC!

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Erica’s switch/kidnapping of Maria’s baby always seem to come up when there’s a discussion of Babe trailer park trash switch/kidnapping of Bianca’s baby. There are some significant differences.

1. Unlike Babe, Erica did not wait until she was confronted to admit to her sins. Her conscience got the best of her and she actually went to Maria herself and in the Wildwind living room, admitted what she had done, and personally handed the baby back to Maria. I remember it very well because it was one of the best AMC scenes ever and one of Susan Lucci and Eve LaRue’s finest acting moments.

2. Unlike Babe, it wasn’t her mother Mona, or her surrogate mother Mrytle that spent time in jail. Erica did jail time herself and that’s after she, with Jackson’s urging, pleaded guilty in court. Unlike Babe, Erica took full responsibility. Also, she spent almost as much time in jail as she did in her recent big house stint. It was at least a month which if I’m not mistaken, is more than “a commercial break” in soap opera time.

Also I may add that Erica came very, very close to losing her daughter Bianca who at that time was very anorexic. If it wasn’t for Edmund’s appeal to the judge, Bianca would’ve died because Erica was the person most able to get through to Bianca and help her on the road to recovery.

3. Unlike Bianca, Maria to this day has not forgiven Erica for what she did and quite frankly, Erica has never assumed to expect Maria’s forgiveness. It is the main reason their rivalry exists to this day.

Btw, love the Death by Douche. LOL!!! Here's my candidates:

AMC:
Annie
Ryan (yeah, I went there)

OLTL:
Natalie

GH:
Carly
Sam
Kate
Sonny

There's also the fact that Babe was on the show less than a year when she kept Bianca from her baby and Erica had been on the show since the beginning. People are always going to be more forgiving of a veteran than a newbie.

Also after the baby switch the writers decided that the best way to redeem Babe was to shove her down our throats. I've never felt the writers were trying to force me to like Erica like I did with Babe.

This Babe hate is to me what the sun is to Superman, it gives me strength! LOL!

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And also Erica was never made to be the victim or saint. Babe was written as gods gift to men where everyone must love her and worship her and she can't do anything wrong despite everything she has done. You know erica and kendall were bad and were not written where you have to worship them or written as saints cause they are not.

I just started listening to the podcast and I must say, WARNING TO SAM FANS! In the first 5 mnutes it ain't pretty!

Thank you for the warning Season!!

Erica also had a reason to resent Maria. Maria slept with her husband and the news caused Erica to miscarry. That is not to say that Erica was justified, just that she was suffering from severe depression when she took Maddie, triggered by the wrong committed against her, unlike with Babe who simply decided that her husband should not suffer even if that meant her so-called best friend's had to shoulder the burden. Babe watched every tear that Bianca shed and said nothing.

So when are we going to get some "pro-Sam" air time Luke? I nominate Daisy to give the rebuttal.

And I nominate you EET! LOL

The writers do write Erica as is she is God's gift to men. I couldn't stand Babe but no one is written as hypocritical and sanctimonious as Erica Kane. As much as it irked me, how the same people who lied to JR about Little A being dead were the same people who condemned Adam for not telling Tad that Kathy was his daughter, I didn't see Erica doing a little introspection at the fact that the same thing she did to Maria is exactly what happened to her own daughter. Sometimes karma skips a generation.

And when she spoke to Jack about Carmen and how many men Carmen had been w/. Please, that heifer had the nerve to talk about someone's chastity! I loved when Jack threw that in her face. While, Babe had her moments of acting superior Erica has turned it into an art form!

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As much as it irked me, how the same people who lied to JR about Little A being dead were the same people who condemned Adam for not telling Tad that Kathy was his daughter,

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Doesnt that speak to the hypocracy of the Martin clan, not Erica? yes, she is a diva, and she has her flaws, but to me Erica was far less culpable than Babe was and certainly less than KWAK who put the whole bianca mess in play.

Carmen - yeah I dont have a problem with her chastity, but I have always been one to think that friends should try not to date each others exes. Carmen knew that Erica still had feelings for Jack and that they share a long history, so why go out with him. Seriously, there was no one else for her to date? Erica did a lot for carmen and deserved better.

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So listening to the podcast now. Sam SO is a Cassadine. Now lets give her a good father...Robert Scorpio? Jeff Webber? It should be someone with history on the show but someone who hasnt run into Alexis much.

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Clint B...how about sanctimonious nora sitting back and watching it unfold. I cant stand Nora.

Don't get me started on the hypocracy of the Martin family. These are the people who helped Babe and Jamie cover up the kidnapping of Miranda and Tad torchured Dr. Madden by burrying him alive and killing him. Yet, they walk around town like their god's oracle to human kind. Makes me furious.

"Doesn't that speak to the hypocracy of the Martin clan, not Erica?"

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Yes. I was using that as an example, the rampant hypocrisy on this show. No one seems to say, "well, yes, so and so did me wrong but I did the same thing. So, maybe, I shouldn't hold a grudge."

"... to me Erica was far less culpable than Babe was and certainly less than KWAK who put the whole bianca mess in play."

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Baby stealing is baby stealing. While, they both went about it in different ways they still allowed these women to mourn a child that was not dead. At least, Babe didn't outright plan to steal Bianca's baby.

"Carmen - yeah I dont have a problem with her chastity, but I have always been one to think that friends should try not to date each others exes. Carmen knew that Erica still had feelings for Jack and that they share a long history, so why go out with him. Seriously, there was no one else for her to date? Erica did a lot for carmen and deserved better."

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I'm not talking about the right and wrong of getting w/ your friend's ex. I'm talking about how dare Erica refer to Carmen being less than virtuous when she has had practically every man in town and been married more times than some can count. If she wanted to discredit Carmen in front of Jack then she should use something against her that she hasn't done herself.

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For me, a but part of what makes a character sympathetic or unsympathetic is often not what they do but how they are written. For me the writers have always written Erica with a greater awareness of her flaws than Babe. As I said before I also never felt like Erica was being shoved down my throat. For me Babe is the epitome of how not to write a character. Longtime characters were thrown under the bus for her, people were contantly propping her by touting great qualities that she didn't actually possess, most of her victims quckly forgave her or were turned into villians,etc. Unfortunately this sort of unsubtle way of writing a character has become far too common n soaps.

FAR too common is right, At50!

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I would agree about not tagging Carmen for being less than virginal - as you point out its not a topic Erica should be visiting LOL

Its funny Luke that you are sort of over tha Martins too. I was saying to some friends the other night that I feel guilty not being a Tad fan since I have been watching since Tad the Cad first hit PV, but the writing for his character has been absolutely horrific for years now starting with lying to JR, sleeping with Adam's wife, burying Greg Madden alive etc. etc then turning around and demanding that David leave PV when his daughter just died or lecturing Adam about family. Drives me crazy.

On Erica, we will just have to agree to disagree. Erica evenutally did the right thing, she paid for her crime and everything she did was in the throws of depression from miscarrying (as I seem to remember it, at the time Erica wasnt really distinguishing her fantasy life with her new baby from the real world). I didnt hate Babe as much as most seem to, but I never felt that she did any of those things and in fact, after stealing Miranda, she attempted to steal Little A from JR. I guess I just agree with AT50 that Erica seemed to understand what she did was wrong far more than Babe ever did.

from luverica:
"Btw, love the Death by Douche. LOL!!! Here's my candidates:

AMC:
Annie
Ryan (yeah, I went there)

OLTL:
Natalie

GH:
Carly
Sam
Kate
Sonny"

OMG! ROFLMAO! Maybe this will be the next new Fusion item. or remember the Campbell's products everywhere on ABC daytime last February? Maybe they can get Massengil as a sponsor and Adam can taint them like they did with Bella. Todd can write a headline for OLTL's Sun "Murdered by Massengil". I can see it now, lol!

As for Babe, I didn't mind her so much when AH was playing her, I could care less about her or JR once they recast. ITA that she should've been made to pay for stealing Miranda and St. Bianca never should've so readily forgiven her. Bianca missed the entire first year of Miranda's life due to that cow-loving, gold-digging, baby snatcher and it's unthinkable that she'd be fine with that! Ding dong the witch is dead, but couldn't she have suffered a little more?

Now Zach fathering Bianca's baby is one of the dumbest plot points ever, not to mention ICKY. Everyone mentioned how Kendall hates surprises. So WHY did no one fail to menion this little bombshell? I LOVE Kendall, but if I her her and I knew what was coming, I'd stay in that coma for awhile! I would've liked to have seen Zach be a little squeamish and hesitant about having to deliver the baby, rather than just jump in and start boiling water. Most men would be like "Hell NO!" ESPECIALLY if it were your sister-in-law, but Zach was almost happy about it. Talk about TMI!

:? :? :? :jawdrop: :? If I wanted to watch Guiding Light then that`s what I would watch it`s ABC Daytime being at it`s worstest and haven`t we done this storyline already the frist time around so they just had to repeat it again ,And the reason is so lame that Bancia wanted her daughter to have a blood related little sister wouldn`t she be related anyway through Bancia they would be still be sisters it`s not like Micheal and Bancia were loves he raped her so way write this storyline lie .I`am sorry it`s just disappointing all the way around .And this storyline has written both Bancia and Zach out of character and I can`t get behind that.And Di Henry coming back for two days is a wast of time and story.

Okay you guys were talking about GH vs. Night Shift a tiny bit in this podcast and how they mite be rushing season 3.

Well here is my question why isn't Night shift year round?

Don't say it isn't do-able it is being done in the UK right now with Casual+y and it's spinoff Holby Ci+y ((And former spin off Holby Blue)).

Holby City / Casualty, both shows air weekly year round and use the exact same sets.

Why can't GH:NS air weekly all year around?

They can still do DVD. They can promote it more and with the DTV switchover most abc networks will have 'extra' channels ((like 2.1 2.2 2.3 etc but please don't have me explain that right now because i am not in the mood to search for exact facts lol)) so they could air NS on ABC2 or something as well as Soap net.

How many fans would tune in once a week for a year for NS?

I would purchase the DVD's or buy it on Itunes so what is holding them back? the fact that it hasn't been done before in the US? or the fact that they don't want us to get spoiled on the awesomeness of NS and forget completely about the mother ship?

In a earlier podcast you guys talked about how a 3 day a week / one day a week format wouldn't work, what if it was one day a week year round and the show was THE BEST it could be? I don't think a one-day a week format is the answer for everything but if the One-day a week 'spin offs' are better then the 'main' show i don't see why the networks don't monetize it and air them year round and still put out dvd's and online sales