DC #320: ABC A Madonna or a Whore


On today’s ABC episode of Daytime Confidential Luke, Tina, Jamey and TV Guide Canada’s Nelson Branco discuss ABC’s focus groups, PSA’s and who exactly is to blame for the re-rape of One Life to Live’s Marty by Todd.

General Hospital’s ratings plummeted and we discuss whether or not the show needs more or less mob to help it improve in its ratings.

Branco shares the latest about Cameron Mathison’s contract status and how the relationship of All My Children’s gay couple Bianca and Reese is being written. All this and much more on today’s show.

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48 Responses

  1. Profile photo of Courtney fan4life
    Courtney fan4life

    Nelson I want a PSA for Luke and Laura. I also wanted a PSA after EJ and Sami had sex. PLEASE! Ugg that really annoyed me.

    They have made rape story lines into romances out of HOW MANY COUPLES NOW!
    I’m sick and tired of having to defend my couple. Really i am.
    its a soap. yes im a 18 year old girl and yes i support them. ITS A SOAP thats why.

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    season1217

    Courtney fan, you’re totally justified in being annoyed at how people rail against Marty and Todd but most of those same people have no problem w/ Luke and Laura or EJ and Sami.

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    siomonstuart2003

    Hey, gang, the ABC soaps are lacking character driven s/ls and the plot points and stunt casting and bringing back fan favorites and do nothing with them. It is making the fans tune out and not bringing in new viewers because of what soaps use to do and many fans, old and new, love the old style romance and action packed drama. GH is losing ratings and I glad that putting is not watching because of the same damn crap over and over again. And the fans are sick of the mob crap and should not be gaining viewers until the behind the scenes changes happen and we get new writers. I also so sick of the “Sonny and Jason” show and the two needs to a long term break from the front burner and give the mob s/ls needs to go because it is not even a good s/l purpose anymore. I think that the show needs to go
    back to what it was back in the day and move on with the mob. AMC is the only soap on ABC that is doing something good, but I think Frons will put his stamp on it and destroy it for his own amusement. Jamey, I like u, but Gh is in the toilet and some people needs to go, now.

    siomonstuart2003

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    season1217

    Maybe I need to be briefed properly on what the situation was between Sami and EJ but I thought that she asked him to help her save Lucas and he told her he would only do it if she slept with him. Was there more to the story? Unless, there is then that’s not blackmail.

    Blackmail is the extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a criminal act or discreditable information. So, did EJ have something on Sami and he used that her against her?

    If someone told me that if I didn’t sleep w/ them then someone I loved would die and I did it I would feel very violated even if it wasn’t legally called rape! What EJ did is probably more disgusting than what Luke and Todd did. He used someone’s life as a bargaining chip in order to coerce a woman into having sex with him and then gloated about it. That’s vile! And, I’m an EJ fan.

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    Tina

    Okay, I sit here and I read you guys defending Tarty and saying that it’s the same as Luke / Laura and EJ / Sami. Now, I am not an expert on DAYS and I have never said I was. But I WATCHED Luke & Laura. That anyone compares Luke & Laura to Todd and Marty disgusts me. Both were rapes to begin with. Luke raped Laura. Todd raped Marty. Leaving aside the gang rape part of it for a minute, that is where the similarities end. Laura chose to go on the run with Luke. Laura chose to allow Luke back into her bed. Laura made an informed decision. She knew Luke was her rapist and she fell in love with him IN SPITE OF the rape. This is the huge difference between Marty and Laura. Marty is NOT making an informed decision to allow Todd into her bed. She knows that she was raped because she had a snippet of memory. She knows that there were three rapists because Todd told her. She saw a picture of her rapists who she had the courage to go against in court and testify. That Todd is in the picture she was not informed of. What her history is she has no idea. She is NOT making an informed decision at this point in time. That is what has long time fans of this show up in arms. WE know the history, Marty does not. We know that Marty, in her right mind, would NEVER even TINK of making this choice. That is what is disgusting. This may not be physical rape, but it is definately mental rape. It will also rape her all over again emotionally when she recalls her past.

    So, I’m sorry, but ANY attempt to compare Luke and Laura to Marty and Todd is not only out of line, but insulting to fans who actually WATCHED both of these couples evolve over time. I know some of you may not have watched back in the day, and that is fine, soap fans come and go, but please do your homework and read up on the actual history and compare apples to apples not apples to oranges.
    For those of you who are DAYS watchers and actually watched what happened feel free to explain your side of the story.

    If anyone is offended by my comments, I apologize, but please realize that I have found a lot of comments not just on this thread but on many other threads with these unfounded comparisions offensive to me. Regardless of the chemistry to be found between Susan Haskell and Trevor St. John, this would have always been disgusting while Marty did not have her entire history. That is the part that most fans can not get past.

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    Courtney fan4life

    No one is comapring them tina. I’m saying you keep bashing tarty because of rape well luke and Laura are also rape. Ej and Sami were also rape. Bash them as well. You are acting as if rapemance never happend on a soap. IT HAS. Im tired of having tarty bashed becasue he raped her well there are others to bash. yes they are wrong but i find them entertaining and I am no longer going to defend them. I hate Liason with a passion but i wont bash them because fans like them and respect them but i feel that I’m not being respected. yes I did not watch the original rape so yes i dont have the exact pass. My mother has and told me but she to likes them becasue she as well knows its a soap.

    Now this is the EJ and Sami rape. Lucas was dying and only Ej could save him. Ej said he would save him ONLY if he had sex with Sami.

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    Tina

    Courtneyfanforline, you seem to be missing the point completely. Rapemance has been done for years on soaps. That is not what upsets me. It’s the fact that lots of people seem to think that "Luke raped Laura and then they because the greatest super couple ever" and that Todd and Marty will be in the same group. They can NEVER be there because of the circumstances of what is happening here. That is what has me upset. You seem to think it’s the rape that is my objection …… but that is only a small part of it. My MAJOR objection is that she has no damned clue who she is!! If she knew her history then it would be a rapemance like Luke and Laura. It’s not.

    And that people keep bringing them up in lots of threads as a defense of their couple is wrong.

    If you love Tarty, be my guest. Feel free to love them and root for them as a couple. Just don’t use Luke and Laura as a defense for your couple as not only you but others have. Also, I don’t consider it bashing when I’m stating a fact. If you hate Liason … there are threads for that here on DC and in the forums and there are lots of people to help you and argue with you, but as long as you keep to the facts, it’s always good :)

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    ssjohn

    UGhhhh okay we have been here, done this and I don’t want the dang (ripped) t-shirt.

    We need to have one Great Tarty debate and be done with it, because i personally am sick of the whole situation and then coming on here and reading the whole long fight lol.

    I guess you can say “Ej blackmailed Sami” do i agree? not really but by now i am sick of saying it was rape and i just want the two to actually be written 1/2 way decent.

    And even if it was ‘blackmail’ it was still the stupidest mistake in DAYS recent history.

    Yea I enjoyed Tarty pre ‘sex’ but now i just want the storyline over.

    I have to wait until Tuesday to listen, can’t wait :)

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    daisyclover1938

    I guess you can say “Ej blackmailed Sami” do i agree? not really but by now i am sick of saying it was rape and i just want the two to actually be written 1/2 way decent.
    And even if it was ‘blackmail’ it was still the stupidest mistake in DAYS recent history.

    Preach It ssjohn!!!

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    season1217

    Once again, let me reiterate, blackmail is the extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a CRIMINAL OR DISCREDITABLE INFORMATION. Telling a woman “sleep w/ me or I’ll let your man die” is not blackmail. If anything it was coercion. And that’s no better.

    Here is what I found on Wikipedia:

    In the course of the story, Sami and Lucas end up in a cabin in the woods. A ceiling beam falls on Lucas, and Sami leaves the cabin to go look for help. When Sami reaches the main road, she foolishly jumps into the first car that passes by. The driver is EJ, who needs her help getting through a police roadblock. He forces her at gunpoint to get him through the roadblock and then wants Sami to leave so that he can escape to Mexico. She refuses to get out of the car and pleads for his help in saving the life of Lucas, saying that she will do anything to get him to help her. EJ agrees on one condition — Sami has to have sex with him. Sami reluctantly agrees to his terms, and EJ holds up his end of the bargain and saves Lucas’ life. EJ later states that his motivation for making the indecent proposal to Sami was in order to get her pregnant so that stem cells from the baby could be used to save his father’s life.

    And if the words don’t do it for you, here’s a visual aid:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhEDw-rsiM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaOQXxB2y2w&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu4CWfxvJu8&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofJsaAH3d9g

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    ssjohn

    I would like to add to the above post that the entire reason for the ‘rape’ ‘blackmail’ ‘babymaking’ whatever you want to call it.

    Stefano needing the stemcells, well guess what? the old man NEVER USED THEM, he never needed them, he is perfectly fine and walking around.

    That part bothers me the most, that the whole “mistake” was for NOTHING.

    Arg i wanted to drop this but here i am going on about it lol.

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    Courtney fan4life

    tina I understand but some are just using the rape as a way to bash them. thats why i bring up luke and laura. Im pretty sure if marty knew everything and she willingly wanted Todd you and others would still object.

    And jamey PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont start on oh luke just rapes Laura it was odd who gang raped her. So single rape is nothing PLEASE!

    but im done. tomorrow my tarty ROMANCE is done since mcPAIn finds her ugg. the awesome chemistry these two share will soon be done.

    And i was just bashed FOR MY OPINION in the romance you never thought would happen.

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    zyona

    Courtney fan4life, I know it is a Soap Opera but have you ever thought about how the real victim of Rape feels, when they see this freak show you call Tarty ROMANCE? And thank God for Nelson Branco for reporting it because now OLTL did hear him, look what SH is doing at the end of the show.Oh and am not making excuse for EJ with what he did to Sami, but we all know what Sami did to Austin.

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    Courtney fan4life

    Wonder how a family of a murder victim feels when they see Tad getting off of murder scott free. Wonder how a mother who’s child was kidnapped feels when she sees greenlee off scott free. Wonder how the same rape victim feels when she sees luke and laura or ej and sami. Rapemance is in soaps everywhere.

    Like i said I will no longer defend liking this couple. I dont ask why ppl liking certain couples or characters and dont need to answer those questions myself.

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    season1217

    Regardless, of what side of the fence you are on all those couples are pretty f*cked up if you ask me! I’ll stick w/ Bo and Hope, Jack and Carly, Patch and Kayla, and the like. Somebody dig up Duke, already!:)

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    Jamey Giddens

    The problem with Tangy, Trashy or whatever they call it, is that this story was HERALDED as some ground breaking social issues storyline. OLTL won awards, accolades, etc. Luke and Laura, EJ and Sami, etc. were NEVER told as social issues storylines only to then be exploited for shock value. There was no big corporation PIMPING with tacky, tasteless advertisements of a rapist once again soiling his victim. And Laura and Sami both were in their right mind when they decided they loved their rapists. Having Todd do this ruins one of my favorite characters. Todd felt guilty for what he did to Marty and went on an odyssey for years into what made him the way he was. He learned he was the son of a child molesting monster who raped his sister Viki and drove her to the brink of insanity and he vowed not to be that man. So for him to do this now ruins 15 years of storyline.  And trust me, I think we all know it’s "a soap" well then soaps should decide, are they just gonna be entertainment, or are they going to go for social relevance as well, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t win tons of praise and awards from the mainstream press and associations like RAINN for a topical, realistic storyline then come back and exploit it. THis would be like GH having Robin decide to inject Carly with a needle filled with HIV-infected blood just to pay her back for being a bitch to her. It is the unabortion of Erica Kane’s baby all over again. Frons won’t be happy until he dismantles every socially relevant storyline his shows have ever done. I’m sure he’s doing a casting call for Barbara Jean Jones as we speak. I can see it now.. "The One Dead Character You Thought We’d Never Bring Back And She Still Has Her Heart! So Whose Heart is in Maxie’s Chest?"

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    miajere

    I could call this story a ” good soap story” if they presented Todd as the Cult leader he is….that charismatic, isolating, leader who’s threatened by the world and alone in his principles- with Blair, Tea, and Marty apart of his sick family….let TSJ grow his hair out- and take his town of children and keep them in his penthouse- and battle it out against John McBain “David Koresh” style. Now there’s a social story. They could call his cult “tarty”.

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    ladyofthelake

    I’ll say this, the moment Sonny and MB leave GH, so do I, and I have watched GH for 20 years.

    Sonny is not the sole reason GH has it’s problems, give me a break. It’s okay for Jason to be a mobster. kill people, be the hero in every storyline, have people worship at his feet, get all the girls, and so on and so on. That makes me sick. For the last four to five years this show has been all about Jason. I’m sorry but when the fab four were on, GH was high in it’s ratings. I have never meet a fan who has watched 20 years or more quite this show. Others might, but I never did.

    Online fans are the worst when it comes to complaining about their shows. Off line fans complain, but it’s not the same, they accept more thigs. Online fans live to rip story lines apart, complain left and right and blame everyone and the chicken sink. I myself have done it, and have done it more since posting my thoughts online. No matter if Guza stays or not, the next writter will be praised then ripped to shreds four months later. Thats how the online fandom works. Thats how I feel.

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    dellygrim

    yuck, Tarty and Liason. What a foul conversation :P

    As for the podcast in general I love the idea of distracting Frons with the other ABC soaps. Too bad they won’t introduce a new 12:30pm (EST) soap for Frons to play with and leave the rest of the lineup alone. I personally don’t want to see him fired. In this instance I think we’re better off with the devil we know. But I’d prefer if he weren’t so hands on.

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    season1217

    I get that others are more disturbed by this because of the fact that Marty has amnesia and I’m in agreement there but I’m tired of the whitewashing of what Luke did to Laura and what EJ did to Sami. I understand the differences and whether you like “Tarty” or Ejami or Luke and Laura it’s your business but call a spade a spade, why don’t you! All of this rationalizing is somewhat unnecessary.

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    ssjohn

    Okay here is a summary of all the arguments on both sides:

    ProTarty:

    It is a show (/soap), the two actors have chemistry, brainbleach is the bomb, if other ‘rapemances’ are okay why not Tarty?

    AntiTarty:

    The other ‘rapemances’ were not ‘rewrites’ of a award winning gang rape storyline,

    Todd and Marty were never supposed to fall in love, both of the original actors originally said NO to a romance storyline (reportedly/rumor?)

    There aint enough brain bleach in the world. ((To which i say visit the great and vast Denial Island))

    The storyline is a slap in the face to viewers.

    What is worse then them having ‘sex’ which ‘some’ viewers could get past is the fact that she does not have her memory.

    Overall:

    Tarty ‘lovers’ are in the minority, but they have a problem with other ‘rapemances’ being acceptable, when in reality all rapemances should STOP, yes Luke and Laura worked, congrats now stop redoing the formula it will not work.

    Tarty ‘haters’ are in the majority, with their points justified above.

    At the end of the day we need to just agree, to disagree and just hope the show will give us a reason to debate that we will all enjoy debating, vs. a storyline that is ruining the show for so many people.

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    daisyclover1938

    Thank you Season!! ITA! I get why people are more infuriated w/ the Todd/Marty s/l, but yeah, hearing rationalizatons for the other rapemance couples makes me so uncomfortable. And for fear that I’m going to hear Jamey talk about “romantic subtex” in rape scenes and “rape fantasies” I think this will be a podcast I’ll skip… It’s just too much after awhile

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    Jamey Giddens

    Well you know what Daisy Clover, considering this is the biggest story in daytime right now, guess what, we are going to discuss it. I can totally respect that people don’t see it the way I do, but if you go and say Google "rape fantasies" you will see it is a valid psychological discussion, which I wouldn’t think is too reaching a topic to discuss on a show that deals with child molestation, rape and rampant Dissociative Identity Disorder. That’s what we do hear is analyze storylines and obiviously ABC wants us to discuss it considering there all out promotional campaign to push the story.

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    Tina

    Somehow I think I was still misunderstood. I never DEFENDED Luke & Laura.  I just feel that Laura made her bed and decided to lie in it the day she invited her rapist into her bed as her forgiven lover. It’s still a rapemance in every sense of the word.

    Now, with that said, I just think that Tarty went one step too far because Marty can’t make an informed choice. Anyone who thinks that I defend L&L is wrong. They may be "Greatest Love story" of all time told on soaps, and one of my favorite couples, but it is still born of rape. There is now way to whitewash that regardless of the rewrites they have tried.

    That the whole Marty issue was a "socially relevant" storyline just adds insult to injury.  I think that why the PSA was a good idea ….. although all rapes should have PSA’a attatched to them …… or maybe no rapes at all.

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    Jamey Giddens

    GH producers regretted having Luke rape Laura once they got all the fanmail about how much people wanted the couple, that came in after the rape scenes were taped. Same with EJ and Sami. Days didn’t know the pairing would take off. That’s why they went great lengths to whitewash those stories. OLTL has NEVER been ashamed of the Todd/Marty gang rape storyline. Michael Malone thoroughly plotted this story, hitting all of the beats on purpose. He didn’t look at it and go "Oooh, you know, Roger Howarth and Susan Haskell are SO hot together, let’s undo it and make them fall in love!" If anything, from the history I’ve read, he increased Todd’s heinous activities, having him stalk Nora and almost blow Llanview up with explosives strapped to his chest. Throughout all of this has been his and Marty’s post-rape status as mortal enemies. I am NOT dogging any fan who likes this couple. My problem is with the writers and executives who decided to go there. It’s disgusting and gharish. Each year the soaps submit themselves to all sorts of non-industry awards for public service and then use those awards and accolades to garner mainstream press. OLTL got TONS of it for how well-written, feminist and powerful Marty’s rape was, so I am sorry for Frons to now exploit that tale for Maury Povich-esque shock value is wrong. And these soaps are much more than "just soaps". I didn’t really get scared about HIV until Robin got it on GH. When these characters come into our lives five days a week, we do learn a lot from their lives. I am of course not saying it is a soap’s job to educate, but when that is something they have cut their teeth on, and the ABC soaps in general, have, then it is wrong to bastardize it in this way. JMO

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    daisyclover1938

    It’s a perfectly valid topic Jamey, I was just saying that this particular Tarty vs. EJami vs. Luke and Laura debate has gotten to be too much for *me*. Btw, it’s not the discussion of the s/l that’s bothering me, but the *way* it’s being discussed.

    As for the term “rape fantasies” – yes, I’m aware that it’s a perfectly legitimate term/area of discussion, (though I think I’ll pass on googling “rape fantasies”). But my issue was with the context in which you used it (and “romantic subtext”) on the ABC Smother Mother podcast. Mostly that you didn’t really use it in any context at all. You were talking about the attraction between Luke/Laura, Sami/EJ and suddenly those terms seemed to be just randomly thrown in there. I went into it a little more on the other thread so I won’t get into it here, but as *I* understand it, the thing with “rape fantasies” is that while you’re imagining you’re not in control, because it’s your fantasy, you *are* in fact in control. So I just simply didn’t understand how you deemed LL/EJami as “rape fantasies” – did you mean for the characters, did you mean for the fans?? (and like I said I’ve already discussed some of this on the Smother thread so I’ll let it go…)

    And again, I do understand that what you do here is analyze stories. And what posters do is give there opinions, not just on the stories but on your analysis. Rape debates can get heated and if you’re going to be discussing this kind of topic, I’m sure you know that you may get negative feedback.

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    daisyclover1938

    Sorry, just saw this:
    “Same with EJ and Sami. Days didn’t know the pairing would take off. That’s why they went great lengths to whitewash those stories.”
    I would totally have to disagree with this. I think TPTB *knew* EJami had a following, they were well aware of the amazing chemistry between the actors, and fully intended to pair them. That’s why I was so angry – because they chose to go down this road with them thinking it would add more conflict between the two (which was so not needed.)

    But this is one area where we can get an answer from the source. If you guys ever have Tom C on the show again, I’d love to hear what he has to say about that – were they surprised by EJ/Sami taking off or was their plan to pair them already in place by the time the Incident occured?

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    Jamey Giddens

    I am perfectly okay with negative feedback, but as long as the storyline is going on, we’re going to be discussing it here, that’s what we do. As for rape fantasies, no, I do think it was written that Sami or Laura had conscious rape fantasies, but that the execs and writers realize there is a somewhat twisted niche out there for this sort of storytelling where some women have fantasies about being "ravished" by some  brooding, dastardly man, that they secretly want. It’s done in all of those bodice-ripping cheesy romance novels and evne Gone With The Wind, when Rhett took Scarlett upstairs and "had his way with her." I think those psychological undertones were definitely at play with Luke and Laura and Ejami, because both rape victims (although I don’t see Sami as a rape victim with EJ, but that’s JMO) were in love or wanted their attacker, which does not say they wanted to be attacked, but they did already have a pre-established desire for the men. That does not excuse it or make it right. No means no, but Laura and Sami chose to all for them men who raped them. Marty is suffering from a mental/medical disorder, plus Marty wasn’t raped by a man she had feelings for. She was raped by several men who passed her around like a dog’s chew toy, without condoms no less. Now ABC has the audacity to have them sleep together and make it all hot and soapy?

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    daisyclover1938

    Okay, *thank you* for clearing up how you meant “rape fantasies” in regards to Sami/EJ, Luke/Laura. I would say that TPTB most definitely have that in mind when they write these stories, and I think that’s also what they were thinking with this Tarty crap (and they believed that it would be “okay” because she has amnesia). And just to clarify, I’m completely repulsed by Tarty…

    I would still argue with your psychological undertones argument in regards to EJami/LL but *ITA* w/ it in terms of Gone with the Wind.

    “No means no, but Laura and Sami chose to fall for them men who raped them” — Which I think gave the audience permission to accept the story. If Laura/Sami can forgive and fall in love with these men, then that gives the audience the “okay” to do so as well. On the one hand, I understand that, on the other hand I wish TPTB could tell a decent, moving rape story w/o messing it up. As has been mentioned, Marty’s s/l was one of the few examples of that, and now they’ve ruined it.

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    siomonstuart2003

    I agree with all of you that the rape s/ls should not be use to create a couple and then whitewash it. I think that rape is a powerful motive of men doing it to women to obey them and use them and throw them out like yesterdays trash. I think that Frons is a idiot for promote this twisted “love affair” with Todd and Marty knowing what he did to her. I believe it will ruined Todd as a character who is still a jerk, but grown up a little bit and have compassion for Marty and was really sorry for doing what he did to her, but this is not making me a fan of his. I hoping that they just kill the character off because there is no redeeming him after this. I think with Luke and Laura, it was wrong of Luke to do it to Laura just as Ej did to Sami, but I think fans forgave Luke and EJ because it wasn’t forceful and humiliating as what Marty has gone through with her being gang rape.

    siomonstuart2003

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    Jamey Giddens

    Daisyclover you just expressed it all. Another factor for me is that Days post James E. Reilly (who I loved) has never been socially relevant. Major newspapers and magazines haven’t heralded NBC soaps as "powerful" or "gripping" in decades. Even the late great Another World was never really socially relevant. Santa Barbara had its moments, but the NBC soaps were pretty much romantic fantasies, whereas ABC was known for being both entertaining and socially conscious, especially Agnes Nixon’s soaps. That’s one major reason why Tarty is more offensive than Ejami to me. I don’t expect much from Days. Hell, a year or so ago, Sami was a man! But the ABC soaps were always treated as more critically acclaimed, which I admit used to make me roll my eyes, but then when I started watching GH and they had Robin’s HIV storyline, Monica’s breast cancer storyline, Maxie and BJ’s heart transplant, I got it. Frons has dismantled or made a mockery out of just about every one of this network’s classic, socially relevant storylines. He unaborted Erica’s baby, made a sad joke out of Bianca’s coming of age as a lesbian, complete with her falling for a pre-op tranny, Robin’s HIV is treated as an afterthought, he killed the daughter Monica inherited from her cancer support group buddy, killed Georgie, who was conceived when Maxie was on death’s door, killed Tony who put his daughter’s still beating heart into his niece’s chest and now he’s having Todd rape Marty all over again. Are Tina and I the only ones alarmed by what is going on?

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    season1217

    You and Tina are not the only ones that are alarmed but I’ve become so numb to what Frons has done to these shows. Why not have Marty re-raped. Frons has been doing it to us for years now. I hardly care about any of the characters on soaps. I can’t even muster up enough anger to really, truly be angered by this s/l. Any emotion that I exhibit is like a paraplegic who occasionally has feeling in their legs.

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    miajere

    I don’t think I could ever take OLTL seriously after this story line…Not even enough to watch in hopes of keeping soaps alive. If this is what the networks have to do to run an interesting promo, then count me out. However much I want to blame Frons, there are many names on those credits, and I consider this to be a collaborative effort to tell this story.

    Yeah this story has got people talking, and not in a good way….I’ve learned that many don’t consider anything beyond a woman saying no, to be rape….Anything other than no, is just bad sex, or a relationship of lies.

    That people don’t mind exploitation as long as they are entertained.

    That soaps have made ideas like “taste” negotiable.

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    ssjohn

    Okay one last thing on the topic of Ejami/ it’s impact on me / the show.

    EJami had AMAZING Chemistry pre-finding out he was a Dimera, them making out on the sofa and hiding their relationship from Lucas/ Austin was AWESOME, loved every single moment of it.

    Then i believe Hogan came in and the episode when E.J. became a Dimera was when EJ turned evil, from there he had the ‘evil’ edge to him and well ‘shot’ John Black in the head and ran off to plant the seed in Sami.

    The reason that bothered me is if they had actually WATCHED what was written a week before they came in they mite have noticed the amazing chemistry between them.

    Also that was my first ‘soap rape’ so it is still hard for me to see Ejami but i try and forget the rape and just ‘move on’ like Ejami is trying to do.

    Jamey all of those things bother me but almost 99% of what you listed was before my time, i saw Emily and Georgie’s deaths but outside of ‘liking’ the characters i didn’t really have a connection to them.

    From the moment i tuned into US soaps I have given up any thought of seeing a ‘socially relevant’ ‘realistic’ storyline.

    If i want realism/ relevant i will tune into Eastenders and watch the evil ol Tony King go after his girlfriends daughter, or i will watch Home and Away and learn about cancer and how it can be caused by idiots illegally dumping harmful waste and then covering it up.

    If i want to watch a teen pregnancy storyline OLTL is ‘alright’ but i am heading over to Neighbours and seeing Bridget and Declan’s, at least i know that one will have less baby snatching.

    And if i want to see a HIV+ relevant storyline i am watching Malachy and Merciadies on Hollyoaks.

    (((All of those soaps are avalible online, Neighbours and Home and away are on Youtube, Eastenders, Hollyoaks, Coronation street and Emmerdale are at

    http://s9.zetaboards.com/CraneEstate/index/ ))

    My point being US soaps are pretty much the joke of the soap world, they are mockable and rightfully so, but they are what we have, and they are enjoyable they just have alooooooot of issues and they can’t afford to ‘try out’ ‘rapemances’ and offend their viewers and force them to tune out.

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    siomonstuart2003

    I believe that soaps can be about realism and make believe if they write it what it suppose to be. How am I suppose to get on with Tarty when I saw the rape s/l and know what Marty went through and now to say,”Hey, it is ok to sleep with the guy who rapes you” because she has amnesia and doesn’t’ know who she is and don’t know who the guy she is sleeping with is the guy who rape her. I think it is a disgrace of rape victims all over who been through it and to say that it is ok, that’s a problem. I also feel that soaps has a way of entertaining the audience and educating them about issues that prime time and film doesn’t. I just feel that it can also do out there s/ls like “Eterna” on OLTL, or “The Ice Princess” on Gh. But I do believe that soaps should be a balance about telling real socially relevant s/ls and telling campy, out there s/ls.

    siomonstuart2003

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    luverica

    I really try to honor other people’s opinions but I guess I’m going to have to just limit my podcast listening to the Top 5 episodes or interviews, which I think have been wonderful, because Jamey’s over the top bashing of AMC is, well, over the top and quite tiresome. Is Charles Pratt’s writing the next best thing since Agnes Nixon? Absolutely not but it sure as heck way better than Eisenstein and I’m not just talking about the twister episodes. I’ll say it again. I think so far he’s doing a good job and to say it’s more unwatchable than The Guiding Light is just too much.

    On the other hand, I guess it all comes down to personal preference because if the truth be told, aside from Tony Geary, Genie Francis, and Jane Elliott, I despise General Hospital and find that to be unwatchable in its own right but I’m not going to go as far as saying it’s more unwatchable than GL. Nothing is more unwatchable than that.

    Again, major props to Nelson Branco for saying what needs to be said and isn’t said hardly enough. For the sake of ABC Daytime, Brian Frons needs to go.

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    Jamey Giddens

    Luverica, I am on this podcast to give my opinion, my opinion and mine only. I am sorry, but I don’t restrict or censor myself to protect fansbases or keep myself from drawing the wrath of people who don’t agree with me. If I wanted to do that I would work for a soap magazine. When did I ever say everyone had to buy what I was selling? 

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    siomonstuart2003

    Jamey, I glad you on the podcast and I like that you speak the truth about what is wrong with the state of daytime. I wish more actors and network execs speak up about it, but I understand that they trying to make a living and if you speak out, they will be consequences of it. I love the “Victoria Rowell” interview because she said what is wrong with the industry and things needs to change or there won’t be a soap to tune into. EXcept, Y&R, I don’t even tune into soaps because of the dumb s/ls and bad writing that is tearing down the genre.

    siomonstuart2003

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    terrifictam

    My roommate who is a new viewer of OLTL only watches for Trevor St. John. She has been watching on and off for 2yrs (well since I moved in). She used to watch GH (with her Mom) and YR (with her Grandpa) growing up. My grandma has watched since before I was born and that’s how I got started.

    My roommate became a “Tarty” fan solely on the acting and chemistry Todd and Marty have. As a newer viewer she doesn’t really understand fully the history. Flashbacks or not they don’t do the story justice. So I can understand why she’s a Tarty fan. I’ve been watching for a handful of years and still consider myself a relatively new viewer too. But I remember Todd and Blair together and I remember Todd almost dying and Starr always being on his side. I don’t agree with the storyline with Marty now but I must say it is watchable. Trevor St John is such a good actor that he pulls my roommate and I in. And Susan Haskell welcome back. Never watched when she was on on but she’s welcomed back with open arms after Chrisina Chambers.

    Tamara Tamara Tamara. As my signature says. All My Children is being watched for you! Like Jamey said, “She’s my girl…That’s my Carly Corinthos”!!

    And Tina I so agree about FAITH. Bring her back. Let her and Claudia run the boys out of the Mob. Make them allies cause they’d kicks some serious ass. Love Cynthia Preston and want her back!!

    ~AMC~ATWT~DAYS~OLTL~YR~
    AMC can thank TAMARA BRAUN for cementing a spot on my DVR again!!

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    ABCJunky73

    THANK YOU TINA!!!! I’ve been trying to make the same point over and over for weeks now but it seems some people aren’t getting it! I 100% agree with you! I am not going to explain this again, it will only get me pissed again, all I’m gonna say is that Todd is RE-RAPING Marty all over again, and Brian Frons is more crazy & sadistic and he should be fired!

    ABCJunky

    *** “YOU ONLY HAVE ONE LIFE TO LIVE”!!***

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