DC #357: CBS & Days Do Or Die Time

Now I am torn between wanting Jade with Casey or Matt. Alison is just SO tiresome. Can we have a poll? I am curious what people think on this.

Going to listen to the podcast now. I've been waiting for the one where Jamey lets loose about the Jarlena exit.

Leave my Alison alone, LOL. I in the minority, but I am liking Casey/Alison. I want Dusty, Meg and Paul to go off the cliff and never to be heard from again. I liking Jade and Emily teaming up, but rooting for Casey/Alison.

Days is a joke and I with Jamey that I am voting with my remote, turn off Days.

Y&R is the only soap that is good and writing good storytelling and character driven s/l.

B&B is incestous and hope that GL is renewed.

Why is everyone on B&B trying to avoid Ridge "going berserk ?" Perhaps, James and Taylor should provide some counseling so that Ridge can avoid the awful fate? Or is everyone on the show just worried that Ronn Moss will wind up on The Soup again? I think Stephanie et al need to learn the difference between over reacting and overacting from Ridge.

Also, this show is still on warp speed. The Jackie M. fashion show was yesterday in B&B time..........

Lastly, I look forward to Bridget's bellhop inspired looks for the spring designed in a homage to former her former step-mommie Stephanie.

Jamey are going to watch GL?

Jillian KZ pulled the same thing with her current s/l.

Lord hammercy, Stephanie dressed as a bellhop! I just fell out after hearing that! LOL

I am done with this. You all are just as bad as that Nelson Branco one week you all are giving GL props then you all bash it. Yall need to make up your damn minds. I am over this so yall just get over it!@

Yeah I'm a little upset over the GL bashing as well...this is getting ridiculous...this show is so much better than that crap on GH,DAYS,B&B,and AMC. I know that you guys have had problems with these shows too,but it;s time to stop the GL bashing...since they are making every effort to correct it's mistakes and that is obvious if you would only watch the show for real.

First my 'fans response' ((I Haven't listened to the episode yet lol))

Leave my Alison alone, LOL. I in the minority, but I am liking Casey/Alison. I want Dusty, Meg and Paul to go off the cliff and never to be heard from again. I liking Jade and Emily teaming up, but rooting for Casey/Alison.

See Jade can go off the cliff as well imo, but I am liking Alison and Casey as well!;I haven't watched ATWT in two weeks but they were one of the good points when i was.

Now onto the GL bashing...

(Please take into account the fact that i haven't listened to the episode before bashing me and saying I am just saying this cuz I am a blogger, because really I wouldn't lie, I will say if DC is full of crap and if I lose my job then I will lol, but let's just all hope it doesn't come to that lol.)

I have noticed as a trend that the soaps go thru kinda a mocking stage on DC, first it was Passions (T_T) then it was GL, then AMC started feeling the hate and now its back to GL.

Yes the podcasters can be a bit overly critical of the shows, but at the same time they do speak their minds, and i would rather hear them mock some show i like then hear them lie.

I do believe GL is improving, the show is A LOT better then it was this time last year, and I do think they are doing everything they can to improve it. 

I hope that you guys will continue to listen and continue to be a part of the community.

(EDITED To add 'If' to DC is full of crap lol, I don't think DC Is full of crap LOL)

Shale and Doobiekat, why are you both mad at the GL critique? If we all agreed on the same thing, it would be a boring blog and podcast no? Everyone's entitled to their opinions that's what makes us all unique and interesting.. J Bernard, all Stephanie needs is a hat and she's good to go!

First of all, I hope that the actor that plays "Brad" finds a "home" somewhere on a soap. Best of luck to him!!!! I don't get the comment about Peapock?? The church has a t.v., in the chruch??? I don't understand the statement??? GL, always make you shake your head and makes you want to spit!!! That is nothing new! Either, you are for the show or your NOT! But, please! This "I hope gl makes it, then I don't care if gl does'nt make it! that mess should STOP!!! Guys, I really appercate your show and I try to listen with a "ear to hear" sometimes it seems YOU talk and YOU don't know what you're talking about!!! I will move on, now do you feel that its alright for an actor to write their own storylines??? I don't think thats right!!! Listen, folks I can listen to you all day!!! But, just remember we all feel bad about how things are going on with the soaps, as much as we like to hear the truth, or opinons we also would like to some encouragement, honest conversation, and not all the negatives, look I enjoy the show. Its just I don't always agree with what is being said on the show. :

Illovethesoaps, in Josh's church he has PLASMA screen tv's all on the wall. That's a headscratcher for me when GL is on a tight budget. The church isn't a MEGA church like they have all over the country so its not needed. Luke NEVER said its ok for a actor to write their own storylines, hence the comment on the Dee and Drake leaving. We are being honest on OUR opinions of shows.

Jillian Bowe is my new hero for her little rant about the butchy dress of La Forrester. I agree 150%! She has got to be dressed appropriatly! I totally thank you for your comment, and for making my day that much brighter!

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Peter, in the forums!

daysfan65, I break out my cape from time to time! I know the economy's in the crapper but God! Must they do that to Stephanie? Oy..

I appreciate you telling it like it is.

For goodness sakes, get your ass to Nordstrom Rack or some sort of high design, low cost store.

I do not believe there is either a for or against when it comes to any show. To talk about issues facing a show from a week to week basis and having changing opinions as developments progress is part of what we do.

In the context of GL specifically we have said that we hope that it survives, but that does not mean we are not going to discuss the problems that exist with it. At the same time, it is not contradictory to also say that considering that other shows such as Another World were canceled while still in decent form and not bare bones like GL now is that we wish GL would have been canceled in much better form than to go through what it is going through now so that we can have fond memories of it instead of ones that involve the issues it has faced instead of it fighting for life.

Jillian's comments about the TV was based on the fact that there are two actual flatscreen LCD or plasma TVs hanging on the wall of Josh's church.

I never said it was good for any star to write their own stuff and control their s/l. In fact I said just the opposite. I believe that each and every actor should come to work and portray the scripts to the best of their ability no matter how crappy they are. Yes, a star should have input about their character in the context of whether or not something is out of character for their character, but stars should not be able to control s/l, romantic pairings or whether or not their character is written off one way or if their character is pregnant or not depending of i they don't want to wear a pregnant fat suit for nine months. Actors should be professionals.

As for Jonathon's assertion that we pick on shows on a rotating basis. We criticize a show when we think its doing bad and praise a show when it is doing good. In addition, most of the people who are on the CBS podcast are not on the ABC podcast and vice versa, except for me and occasionally when Jamey fills in on the ABC episode. So if people think I'm unfairly picking on shows on a rotating basis from one network to another I can not control how people interpret my patterns of liking or not liking something.

If you compare AMC to OLTL or even GH's lowered standards its still a really badly written show. If you compare the CBS soaps or Days to Y&R then GL and B&B are light years behind it. I've said recently and maintained, even against other people's opinions of it, that Days is improving and my primary criticism of ATWT revolves almost entirely around Dusty/Paul/Meg and Co. Other than them I enjoy ATWT for the most part.

Finally, this podcast is a round table with a variety of hosts with varying opinions on how things should go. We are never going to agree on how things should be handled and I wouldn't want us to for the simple fact that if we did we'd be the most boring thing you ever listened to.

I tell you why I am mad at the GL coverage on this site, one week we hear how GL is doing better then it has been a "hot mess" and made no effort.

We hear this crap oh I will give GL a chance in 2009 and EW is improving the show then EW is a bad and ruined it. It is just as bad as Nelson Branco one week in the article GL is improving then the next week he states he has dropped it and has not been watching nothing but Natalia and Olivia.

It is the exact same thing here, and the constant rude comments made about GL. Yet there are post made Top 10 reasons to watch GL and then you all do not even talk about any of the stories from the past week at all other than Cyrus with Lizzie or Bill? There were Huge developments with Beth and Coop, Shanye and Dinah, and Natalia and Olivia things that some of the bloggers say are good but don't even talk about it in a Podcast.

I get everyone has their own take on this but the constant flip flop and just out of the way comments made about GL is bad.

And just as I have been told before I will stop pissing myself off, but it bugs me to no end.

Oh and that crap on the Days ER podcast EW has taken a pay cut along with the writers and production crew. I watch ATWT too and while it may look like the traditional soap opera it's story telling process is not but GL is telling the stories the old wway with more character driven and it makes GL just as much of a Soap.''

I get that GL is in danger and may get canned, but it should be covered with as much depth as the next soap.

I wish you all would have someone like Jonathan or J bernard on podcast people who are actually objective it would be great to hear their well thought out views other than just reading their great work and posts.

I want no Pollyanna veiw of GL but the flip flop and the rude comments are the issue.

daysfan65, I try.. *LOL* Nordstrom, hell even Macy's and B&B can get a STEAL from there considering 11 of them are going out of business!

I think its more than 2 plasmas/lcd's hanging up in Josh's church. Again, Josh is no TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar or even Eddie Long to have those in there. If you look them up folks, you'll see why and get why I said Josh has no MEGA church.

We all have different opinions on things, if we always agreed we'd sound like some yes men and women on the podcast. If some of you think that GL is good, that's good for you and your entitled to your own opinion and beliefs. If some of you don't again the same rules apply.  Look at Luke, he loves him some of that no good Gloria while Mike, Jamey and myself think that heifer needs to be running the prison laundry service. There are some times we do think on the same page on things and other times we don't... You can't get mad at someone for being their own individual... If the show/character/writing is good I'll be the first to admit it but at the same time if its not I will admit that too no matter what the backlash.

From what I hear is Deidre and Drake didn't want the cast to do a big send off ie a cake and a party. They didn't say anything about the SL itself. That shit was all Dena.

Thanks ajpp50! Hell if I got fired after being part of something huge as the coupling of John and Marlena I wouldn't want no damn cake and ice cream either! *LOL*

I'm going back to my angry place over all of this. I need to walk away because I'm starting to think about dropping kicking ep's and hw's in the small of their backs down flights of stairs. relax relate release BTW I saw the info about the cake and such on Deidre's message board so I think it's pretty legit.

*LOL* Breath.... That is kinda sad....

A person has the right to change their opinion as much as they want.

As for "rude" comments. What some consider to be rude, others consider to funny, straight talk or sarcasm. We could never record this podcast to the specifications of what each and every person might consider "rude" that others might consider "humor", "sarcasm" or "straight talk." It would be impossible.

We podcast and we blog, but we are also fans and that is what we all have in common. We will always share disagreements and honestly that is the better part of the debates...differing points of view.
It may appear that we waver on our opinions, but don't make the mistake of taking things out of context. We do change from week to week like the shows do and as I'm sure most viewers do. The GL discussions praise Wheeler for taking a risk and trying to keep a show alive despite making unpopular decisions. We have focused on the changes, which have been positive year over year, but the big question is whether it is too little, too late. The returns of Phillip and Mindy hold great promise, but will it be enough to keep this show on the air? Time will tell. Audiences fluctuate, but they also disappear. Are these returns and changes enough to bring people back and keep them tuned in? That is the crux of most of our conversations. The answers will be both positive and negative.
As for bashing, don't read too much into it. Like a loved one, we can take our shots, but outsiders can't. If I can't find humor in watching nearly 25 hours of soap opera a week, then why watch?
For the record, I never trashed Passions, I never took to it...it wasn't my cup of tea. I've been watching GL since Nola was tormenting Kelly and Morgan; since Josh showed up as a cad; since Alan was married to Hope; and Hillary was blown up by a music box, so please do not assume that I hope for the end of this show. I do not want to see ANY soap cancelled, it's not good for the genre as a whole, nor for those who work in the industry.
I love my "job" here and feel I've found a group of people I can chat with and discuss something that is important to all of us. I don't have friends who watch soaps, so let's keep our differing opinions from creating tension in a place that has been fun for me to come to.

Jillian: I live in NY, and St. Patrick's Cathedral doesn't even have an LCD 60 foot TV set. Why should Josh have it. It is just an unecessary prop.

In general, I do believe that we should have gotten a better send off for John & Marlena.

I really don't know what to think about my last episode, except that it was pretty PASSIONS seeing Nicole envison hitting Sami with that staue of the Virgin Mother.

I really appreciate hearing the opinions you guys have. I love listening to you guys go off the deep end on occasion, but I sppreciate the honesty first and foremost. You guys don't sugarcoat things. You don't say things like "The GL shooting format is super!", or what have you. You guys are honest, and if you are a little brutal, then so be it!

Jamey and Jillian is right about bashing GL because of Ellen Wheeler's dismantle of the soap. I think that bringing in Grant will help some, but it is a little too late to do this when they should of not fired him in the first place. Getting rid of your vets and replacing with newbies is not going to raise the ratings. I feel that when the fans was speaking out about the state of daytime, no one listen. But now since the economy is in the tank and ratings are dismal, the show is realizing that the industry is in thin ice and needs to do something to raise the ratings before they all be canceled.

*Sigh* Daysfan65 won't u be my neighbour? *LOL* I'm in NY myself and I haven't hit a church that has a plasma in there! My problem with that is for people on a budget that's just frivilous spending imo that can be implemented on something else. Some may say its trivial but it isn't if u cry fowl in regards to budget.

I've always been honest, some may say a bit too honest but that's just my genetic markup. I'm not going to lie and say something's great to spare someone's feelings, if something's not right I always speak up on it. I'll conceed defeat on something once you show me your argument and I re-evaluate something. GL isn't one of them for me right now because I remember intricate storytelling and lush sets. I can remember as a kid back in the late 80's/early 90's that GL was soo good that I would debate on watching that or GH and my DC posse can tell you I'm a GH fan fo' LIFE!

St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC?

As for the comment on Ellen and the paycut, I ask that because if she took one then she's really serious about saving her show. If not then that goes to show you what people would do to save something so beloved and dear to their heart like some claim their show is.