REVIEW: Tom Casiello's First Episode of Y&R





Picture it. Genoa City, Wisconsin. Monday, April 20, 2009. A foster child/custody storyline so boring, so polarizing, so utterly pointless, by comparison it makes Ryan Seacrest on the red carpet seem like edge-of-your-seat entertainment, is finally, mercifully climaxing on CBS Daytime's The Young and the Restless

While I knew weeks ago that yesterday would be the day when Neil Winters (Kristoff St. John) and his wife Karen (Nia Peeples) would face off in court with Tyra (Eva Marcille) over the custodial fate of Sally Sing-A-Lot aka Ana. I also knew this episode would be important for another reason. It would be the first air show since officially rejoining the soap opera writing community for former Days of Our Lives scribe Tom Casiello, whose My Space blog became a soap fanboy/girl's wet dream during the 2007-2008 Writers' Strike. Talk about pressure. For his first show, Casiello would have to help breathe life into the only storyline stinker left on the soap opera since the Dream Team of Maria Arena Bell, Paul Rauch and Hogan Sheffer began masterfully restoring The Young and the Restless, following the destructive tenure of Lynn Marie Latham

Almost immediately after the Dream Team was assembled, the Abbotts and Newmans began to resemble the characters Y&R fans knew and loved from the classic 80's and contemporary 90's, while the Fisher-Baldwins—comprised of great actors, but show eaters during LML's reign—were smartly scaled back, however, the once-wildly popular Winters family were marooned on the Isle of Storyline Contrivance, trapped in yet another dismal, stereotypical, "socially relevant" storyline. (Blogger's Note: On behalf of all black folks who watch the eight soaps still on the air, we get it. Thank you for sympathizing with our plight— well, someone's plight, since my childhood was more akin to Noah Newman's than Ana's, but I digress.  Going forward we no longer need, nor want to be the social studies exercise portion of our favorite soaps. Just give the black folks good, old-fashioned, integrated, soapy, scheming, sexing, pot boiler storylines like everyone else. Thank you kindly.)

It has been a shame before the Soap Gods that for months the only storyline I have fast-forwarded through on The Young and the Restless was the one featuring people who look like me. Give me a storyline featuring snarky, sexy boy and girl baddies Billy (Billy Miller) and Chloe (Elizabeth Hendrickson) any day over a drippy, heavy-handed, faux morality tale showcasing bad actresses—sorry Eva, but we've treated you with kid gloves long enough, it's time for you to put up, or pack up—and a fourth rate storyline. All of that slowly started to change yesterday.
 
By juxtapositioning the climax of Ana's custody saga, with what looked like the beginning of baby Delia's, The Young and Restless presented a powerful, compelling story of what it truly means to be a parent, and in the process gave St. John his best material since the death of his first wife Drucilla (Victoria Rowell), while finally providing his second wife, Karen (Nia Peeples) with Emmy-worthy material. Peeples exited the serial on a high note, as Karen ripped the ever-sanctimonious Neil to shreds for telling the judge that Sally, er Ana, belonged with Tyra. Finally, I have a modicum of hope that the storyline for Neil and his family will begin to be just as interesting as the rest of the show.

As with any episode, this one wasn't without fault.The aforementioned Eva Marcille's attempts to emote were laughable, and the usually perceptive Daniel Goddard played the crucial scenes where Cane decided to give up the fight for Delia straight forward, not showing any turmoil or conflict for a character who has been fighting to the death for this child.

Are we really supposed to believe that after everything Chloe did to separate Cane and his "one true love", Lily (Christel Khalil), he would now give Chloe a big, old bear hug, while grinning like the Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland? Don't get me wrong, I am glad Cane is over his obsession with a child he now knows he didn't father—especially if it gets him and Lily out of Billy and Chloe's orbit— but there is no way he should have been making nice with someone who drugged him and passed a child off as his, let along hugging them.
 
Chloe wanting to hug Cane made sense, because that's who Chloe is. She is so self-absorbed, she seriously thinks people should get over her behavior as soon as she does, but Cane should have pushed her away, instead of acting like a sailor picking up his best girl and spinning her around after returning from The Great War. This is why some fans, like myself, have huge problems with Cane and Lily's saccharine-sweet love story. In an attempt to paint Cane as some Harlequin Novel hero for Lily, the actor oversells us on Cane's "good guy" earnestness, basically stripping away any semblance of the edge or depth Cane came to Genoa City with. Memo to Goddard: Soap Opera romantic leads are allowed to retain their nads.
 
Luckily Cane and Tyra's misses weren't enough to spoil an hour of television that was largely a hit. The episode's other highlights, featuring Abbott siblings Jack (Peter Bergman) and Ashley (Eileen Davidson) and one of their wicked stepmonsters, Jill (Jess Walton), squaring off, and later Jacko baiting Adam (Chris Engen) were delicious, classic soap. I literally, got down off the couch to sit right in front of the TV on the floor, in anticipation of Jill flooring the Abbotts with the news that Victor (Eric Braeden) was behind their ousting at Jabot. Darn that Ashley and her cramps!

Line of the Episode from Jill: What's the matter Ashley, is Satan's Spawn causing you indigestion? 

Hilarious. Good job Y&R writing team, and welcome back Mr. C. 

 


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Jamey thanks for writing this. I don't know much about Tom Cassiello, but if I have to judge him off of this episode then I say I am looking forward to his writing for Y&R. The episode was great!!!

I pointed out to Luke that Jill's line should have been the quote of the day! I was LMAO when she said that one.

As a black person, I never thought I would see the day that Y&R's Winters/Barber storylines would be the biggest snoozefest of the show. I have to say since Victoria Rowell left (and I know people are probably tired of hearing this but it's true) the story for the Winters family have been FF material. LML messed up the Winters family by writing Dru to go crazy over Neil and Carmen. I thought that was so unlike the character of Dru and I don't blame VR for leaving because of that mess. LML began the destruction of the Winter's family. My only hope for MAB and company is to get this Winter's family storyline cleaned up. Yesterday's episode was a step in the right direction. No one cared about who got custody of Ana. Now let's get Neil mixed back in with Newman Enterprises. Even though I am not the biggest fan of Tyra let's mix her up with the other young adults on the set. Her and Neil just don't do it for me. I would love for Devon to have an onscreen romance with Chloe, Colleen or possibly bring Roxanne on full time. I mean the Winter's family has so much potential. They need to figure out something to do with Olivia. I am happy that she is back but if they are only going to use her as a person that Ashley and Lily confide in then they were better off leaving her gone. I could go on and on but I do have faith that MAB and Co. will get this cleaned up.

Great first show Tom C.!!!

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Chloe wanting to hug Cane made sense, because that's who Chloe is. She is so self-absorbed, she seriously thinks people should get over her behavior as soon as she does, but Cane should have pushed her away, instead of acting like a sailor picking up his best girl and spinning her around after returning from The Great War. This is why some fans, like myself, have huge problems with Cane and Lily's saccharine-sweet love story. In an attempt to paint Cane as some Harlequin Novel hero for Lily, the actor oversells us on Cane's "good guy" earnestness, basically stripping away any semblance of the edge or depth Cane came to Genoa City with. Memo to Goddard: Soap Opera romantic leads are allowed to retain their nads.

Jamey
That is what has been wrong with the whole STUPIDEST STORY LINE IN ALL OF SOAPDOM. Your glowing praise of Chloe. All the characters involved in this stinker was dummied down made to do things that no self-respecting human being will do in real life. That is the main reason i find it hard to even believe anything Chloe says or does or what other say about her "great performances." I see a lot of people love snark(she can deliver it very well but after that she loses me. The scene in the chapel i found myself laughing and waiting for the candles to ignite and burn her to hell(but i digress). Anyway i do agree with you on the hug-hug-kiss-kiss fest inside the courtroom with Cane and Chloe, it was not either actors finest hour. I could not believe the sincerity of Chloe being happy that the baby drama was over nor did i want Cane to be so forgiving(somebody needs to pay for my angst the last 8 months and this is all i get?) It is as if what Chloe did is good and acceptable in soiciety and just because she is the maid's daughter she gets a free pass.But as it has been since she stepped into GC,as long as EH/CHLOE comes out on top all is well with your soap world-not mine.
The other problem i have is all the bashing of LML. THis stinker was not under LML if it was so bad(and it was bad) why did MAB keep adding fuel to the flame. She was the boss she could have stopped it and if MAB is so great why did we not get a better ending to that stinker.TO me MAB will go down in soap history for THE STUPIDEST STORY LINE IN ALL OF SOAPDOM.

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I read about it last week, but I had forgotten about TC writing this episode. All the way through it, I kept thinking this eppy was better than usual. Now I know why!

Thank you Tom, and keep up the good work!

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Ah, Jamey is back, all is right with the world again!

I agree with you on all points. I loved the Jill/Ashley/Jack dialogue it was smart and witty.

Chloe/Cane meeting in the courtroom was like watching space alien; the “I won the lotto” grinning to the embrace and turning around, you really felt like Cane wan the lotto!

After that, with the four of them around the stroller, I was waiting for them to start signing cumbaya. The end!

I am glad you called DG on it because frankly, lately his choices are awful, it was so sweet with Lily, no wonder she start applauding like a little girl and giggling, it was awkward too!

Tyra and Ana were their usual awful!

Nia was wonderful and will be sorely miss! What ca I say me thing Y&R cannot have a very good back actress on site, they let them go!

BTW, completely destroyed Neil as a character, I will never like him again! He is death to me, ok wrong soap!

It makes one wonder who is responsible for what on a soap. For example, they told Karen that Tyra could NOT adopt Ana because she forge Yolanda signature, that is why the Winters started the adoption proceedings and suddenly, poof it is ok!?! Make me mad!

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I must agree with fewfew50 on Chloe.

Loved EH on IB, but does not like her at all on Y&R, she seems bore and wooden and she is boring.

She barely emote anyhting! what is up with that? JMO!

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Who ever came up with the idea that Chloe hugs Cane and they both smiling all over each other had too much to drink. This scene felt just so unbelievable wrong you can't even find words for this.

As for the rest of the episode, it was a pretty well written one. Just don't know if it's the best idea to write Adam in a corner again. The viewers and fans were already angry with this fake dairy thing and thought it was too much and ruined Adam's character. Hopefully they learned from that response...

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Tom's first episode, was a welcome change and I watched the whole episode for the first time in a long time. He put his foot in it.

I was surprised at DG's performance too. There was no reason to lift that elf off the floor after that hug. He could have done the same pat on the head he did when he thought Kay died. He probably didn't know how to react to Chloe not being snarky Innocent

If Jill had the line of the day, Karen certainly stole the day and the question left on my mind is why the hell are they letting her go? Let her be a much needed serial killer or something. That woman did her swan song in the spirit of Effie! Damn, if you gotta leave... that's the way to do it! Brava!

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Who ever came up with the idea that Chloe hugs Cane and they both smiling all over each other had too much to drink. This scene felt just so unbelievable wrong you can't even find words for this.

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Those are acting choices. The scripts leave the actors lee way on things like that. Even if a hug is scripted, it is up to the actor to play the emotion, and Daniel played it off  IMO. Again, I totally buy Chloe acting this way. It is part of her character that she never seems to think what she does is a big deal, which is of course insane, but that's always how the character has been, and Elizabeth has kept that throughline. Cane, after doggedly, and obsessively seeking to take this child, being all smiles when he decides to give her up was a miss. He should have been visibly torn, yet reserved to do what he felt was best, but not happy.  

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"Talk about pressure. For his first show, Casiello would have to help breathe life into the only storyline stinker left on the soap opera since the Dream Team of Maria Arena Bell, Paul Rauch and Hogan Sheffer began masterfully restoring The Young and the Restless, following the destructive tenure of Lynn Marie Latham. "

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I didn't know it took a year and a half to clean up after a commercially and critically acclaimed writer. I could swear I read a column on this site that said MAB's "dream team" had full ownership of story arcs by August 2008.

Oh Well, I guess its a sliding scale of excellence for someone who follows ratings and households engaged, as opposed to a small circle of naysayers.

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Monamis, we were obviously watching different shows. LML, your critcally-acclaimed writer, killed off John Abbott, fired Jerry Douglas and Eileen Davidson, transformed Dru from a diva into a psycho, before tossing her off a cliff. Defanged Victor Newman, created the most asinine, ridiculous return for the iconic character of Sheila Carter ever, including the time she turned up on B&B as a terrorist dictator. She made Judith Chapman the star of the show five days a week. Stripped the show of all glamour and posh, due to her own tree-hugging sentiments, i.e no water bottles, no furs, no diamonds, no freaking fire places, etc. Gave us one dreadful story after another, the reliquary, Clearasil Springs, Victor's epilepsy, Devon's meningitis, Nikki the Stripper's run for Senate, etc. etc. Yet you think only a "small group" are happy with MAB and Co? I think it's the other way around. LML has five fans, and they love her simply because of Cane and Lily.

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LML desecrated this show. She dismantled the Abbotts, made Victor a joke and Dru a cartoon. Y&R is now creatively headed back in the right direction. It took time to clean up after that egotistical hack who seized control of both the production AND the writer's room.

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I think Cane and Chloe’s hug has more to do with the growth of both characters. Yes, it was jarring to see him pick her up during the hug and smile heartily while doing so, but the dialogue before that scene really displayed some – probably very microscopic – growth in Chloe. To paraphrase, Chloe said something along the lines of “Marrying you (Cane) made me a Chancellor. Marrying Billy made me an Abbott. But having Delia made me a Mother.” Of course, Chloe is a self-absorbed little vixen who has used Delia as a means to an end. But, she is the child’s mother and though, very unfortunately, we did not get to see the beats play out on screen enough, Chloe loves Delia. (Which could prove to be a really good progression for this character – Chloe now has the name, wealth and position that eluded her when she was growing up, so she will do whatever it takes to ensure that she keeps it and that Delia has the “proper” upbringing that Chloe did not.) And Cane, for all his huffing and puffing, can see that Chloe loves Delia. Now, I would have been more disturbed if he had given Billy a handshake and a hug because I think that is where his true issues with parenting of Delia lies – he does not think Billy is or will be a good father to Delia. And, of course, he will be proven correct.

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Okay it was good accept for the Eva thing to me. As an Actor myself i know this woman has the talent of a dog. Wait-a-minute Harold the dog on All My Children was a talented Dogtor. But I did create a whole dam video to talk about eva's issues. And boy did i break it it. Cause it ain't right what they doing to us...it ain't right.

But i'll have to say this for Nia:

Miss Nia:
"I had to act all my life...I had to act with my daddy's. I had to act with my uncle's. Lord child I had to act with the family wo'mens'. I love Eva god knows I do. But i'll kill her dead if I have share a scene with her again! Now you want a dead model and all Miss Maria, you keep her on contract like you do.

Maria: Mary Jane be back soon and new Mac will be here forever.

Miss Nia: You better bring Victoria Rowell back and think about recast later !

My final word on Eva's acting:

http://timeaftertimeonlinedrama.webs.com/davidsyrsoapblog.htm#555-5555

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LML may not have given us Tyra and Ana, but her stint left the Winters family so mortally wounded, literally and figuratively, TPTB seemed at a loss as to what to do with them. So they concentrated first on getting the rest of the show right. It's been a long process, but finally there is something to be happy about in terms of this family's storyline.

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Monamis, we were obviously watching different shows. LML, your critcally-acclaimed writer, killed off John Abbott, fired Jerry Douglas and Eileen Davidson, transformed Dru from a diva into a psycho, before tossing her off a cliff. Defanged Victor Newman, created the most asinine, ridiculous return for the iconic character of Sheila Carter ever, including the time she turned up on B&B as a terrorist dictator. She made Judith Chapman the star of the show five days a week. Stripped the show of all glamour and posh, due to her own tree-hugging sentiments, i.e no water bottles, no furs, no diamonds, no freaking fire places, etc. Gave us one dreadful story after another, the reliquary, Clearasil Springs, Victor's epilepsy, Devon's meningitis, Nikki the Stripper's run for Senate, etc. etc. Yet you think only a "small group" are happy with MAB and Co? I think it's the other way around. LML has five fans, and they love her simply because of Cane and Lily.

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Jamey you are right. For long time viewers LML's reign on Y&R was awful!!! She ruined the show. Everyything you listed was spot on! The fact that Judith Chapman was made the star of the show says it all. One of the reasons everyone has loved Y&R is for it's focusing on the Vets and Chewy Chapman will NEVER be a reason for me to tune into Y&R! Thankfully MAB and Co. has reduced her role on the show! She is now being written how she should have been!

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Thanks Jamey for stating all my thoughts on LML's disgusting tenure so I don't have to...You are totally inside my head on all of it. I agree with everything you said in response to monamis wholeheartedly.

But much more importantly - CONGRATULATIONS TO TOM! The episode was beautifully done and the dialogue hit all the right notes for me. My favorite being the delicious dialogue between Ashley, Jack and Jill.

I agree with the idea of the interesting acting choice of DG in the hug... it was a little surprising but I think it offered the two characters good closure at this point in the story. I think for a while we will see Cane/Lily out of Billy/Chloe's orbit which I think is a good thing but eventually things will get stirred up again.

Tom! You really did the impossible yesterday. You made me feel a connection to the current Winters storyline. I so loved the Winters family in their heyday and I didn't like the disconnect I felt with them.

Welcome back to the land of soaps Tom and looking forward to your future episodes!

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But why weren't people watching. At what point does MAB's team take accountability? Let's call LML on her BS, but let's also call MAB on it.

Will Obama be able to blame Bush 1.5 years after he's left office?

Come on Jamey. The ratings speak for themselves. The problem is you all attribute incorrectly things to LML, that MAB has done, and vice versa. When you have the play by play correct, I will absolutely acknowledge fault, just as I have with DG, who is a favorite of mine. As much as I used to love Cane and Lily, I don't love them like I did.

Let's compare:

1) LML's writing of Mike and Kevin's heart wrenching family stand vs. MAB's chipmunk fiasco? The actors themselves have praised her for this.

2) LML's Daniel Addiciton storyline that gave us that amazing emmy worthy MG scene with CLB vs. this BS with Amber and the peanut gallery.

3) LML's steamy Phick affair, vs. MAB's crappy drawn out Phick/Shick triangle?

LML didn't know history...she did know drama and dialogue. She had a few misses, but MAB has had plenty you willingly overlook, so let's give her credit correctly for what she did right, same with MAB.

I am no friend of LML, and I certainly get nothing for supporting her. But I think if we are going to call her out on her isht, let it be for the things that really stunk, and not blame her for things she didn't do. The staff at DC have yet to prove that they know where LML's "reign of terror" ended, and MAB's glorious renaissance has begun. Once I see proof of this, I will absolutely acknowledge what works and what doesn't.

And just to recap:

LML as head writer 2/16/06-12/24/07. She averaged 5,545,354 viewers and a 4.2 rating per episode.

MAB+Josh G as co-head writers 12/26/07-4/21/08. They averaged 5,535,941 viewers and a 4.0 rating per episode.

MAB as sole head writer 4/22/08 to present. She averages, 5,067,208 viewers and a 3.7 rating per episode.

I know that I don't always agree with the majority, which is why I defer to what the viewers like. And they were more engaged during LML's reign of terror vs. MAB's dream team years.

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Sigh. Earlier I rejoiced on Cane and Chloe acting like adults with the whole baby saga, then I read this re-cap and most of these comments and maybe I was wrong. So I thought about it, and like Miss California(yikers!!)I'm going to stand behind what I said. Cane has been a giant boob since he found out that baby was not his, so I for one am just happy he came to his senses and can move on like a man. I don't like being annoyed with Cane, so I'm relieved. Besides, this can put the Billy/Chloe drama now fully on the WOODEN Mac. (please,please,please, can she move her face when she talks?)
Last year Chloe would have had Mac for breakfast, morning snack and lunch and spit her out. Where's that Chloe!!? She steamrolled over Lily last year to get what she wants, she can dig deep and do it again.
Finally, so happy that most comments applaud Karen/Nia and do the opposite for Tyra/Eva. My boyfriend had stopped over to raid my fridge during the breakup scene. He does not watch Y&R but even HE was blown away by Karen's rage infested breakup. Sure, he laughed when she clocked Neil - -didn't we all?!! But when he asked for the backstory, I just couldn't. Then I'd have to start off with "Well, that's Neil, and he USED to be a great guy with the COOLEST wife ever....."

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LML's Daniel Addiciton storyline that gave us that amazing emmy worthy MG scene with CLB vs. this BS with Amber and the peanut gallery

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One decent scene in two years does not a good writer make.

And Graz and Adrienne are wonderful together - it is far from BS.

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Again, when MAB get's households to tune in the way LML did, I will bow to her. I liked last week, more than I have the past year.

I didn't like everything I saw under LML, and I like even less under MAB. I try to be honest about it, but yes I have my favorites.

I think In Treatment is one of the best shows on tv, but I'm not gonna say it gets better ratings than American Idol, just because I like it better. Let's start with facts, and separate them from our opinions.

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Monamis, you say we never "call MAB" on her stuff. This seems to be a fairly repetitive, yet erroneous critique. I have been calling her out on fixing everything else, but the black storyline for months. But, that one gripe does not a hack make. A hack is made when one re-writes the histoy of Brad the pool boy-turned-gigolo-turned-corporate exec, to make him a Nazi Slayer. A hack is made when the most powerful male character in daytime is turned into a simpering buffoon, complete with a puppy. A hack is made when a brilliant, beautiful, wildly popular actress like Eilleen Davidson is fired because the idiot writer doesn't like the actress. A hack is made when a family like the Abbotts are destroyed to pimp the Fishers and the Baldwins. Honestly, I don't care that MAB's numbers aren't as strong yet. Give her time. DAYS numbers are steady, and trust me, that isn't because of quality. I would rather have a My So-Called Life, or Once and Again—both critically acclaimed shows that weren't so high in the ratings— on daytime than the Jerry Springer of soaps, which is what LML was doing. She didn't even know how to wrap up her own idiotic story threads. Ji Minh anyone? MAB is restoring this show to its glory, by reaching into the history vaults and creating new story from the show's rich past, which is what good soap opera has always been. Some say she is "dusting off Bill Bell's old scripts" which is untrue, she is mining history and not marching ahead in an egotistical manner trying to put some brash, new stamp on a decade's old show. Do you think LML was write to strip the most glamorous soap in television of it's identity? I don't.

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Daniel's porn addiction was a thrown together mess. Christian and Michael are pros, they could sell ice cream to a diabetic. That story was ridiculous. All 20 year old boys are porn addicts. Especially ones with naggy, harpy teen brides.

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I agree that Maria Arena Bell's reign has been waaaaaaaay better than LML, but what is with the talking Chipmunk scene today? It's almost like she's channeling James Reilly. That's the thing with headwriters like her and Reilly, God rest his soul: they seem to be good at creating great storylines, but then they jump into these scenes that you'd think had been written by a crackhead. I also was puzzled by Jill's little sililoquoy yesterday. That's classic James Reilly!

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I hate the chipmunk business. I have said so on the podcast several times. It is dumb, dumb, dumb, but spoilers say it won't last long. Unlike, say Clearasil Springs or Brad the Nazi Slayer. Also, re: the ratings, the Writer's Strike dealt a blow to ALL of daytime. I am convinced all the buzz around Dee Hall's exit is the only thing that has DAYS over it's numbers year to date. As I predicted, people would actually tune in to see the trainwreck. What I didn't bank on, was people actually continuing to watch.

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Yeah, it looks like the Chipmunk storyline ended today (knock on wood). Amber scared it away. Smile I for one am hoping they get rid of Jana and put Amber and Kevin together. I gotta agree about Days too. The storylines on there are either awful or the decent ones (like the whole Nicole vs. the world thing) have been drug out for so long I want to scream. Not to mention the Chloe slept with Daniel crap. Just have EJ and Lucas find out things and get it over with! Smile

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Why are people forgetting that LML is the reason why the character of Brad Carlton was wrote into a corner? That came from Peter Bergman's mouth at a fan event. Why do people think that we do NOT call MAB and co on their shit? I along with Jamey and the rest of DC call her out on the lack of storyline for The Winters family. I always call her out on not having Jack worshiping other people's kids instead of him having his own kids to praise. The reason why MAB is a hack to some is due to the fact that Lane fans do not have their fav duo on front and center. This is an ensamble show not GH where they have the same characters on all the time.

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LMAO Jamey! You are a terribly relevant voice in this genre, and I have given you a lot of praise on and off this website, but again, I ask you? Why do you think your opinion of soaps is more important than the 400,000 soap-buying fans who don't watch Y&R anymore since MAB took over as sole head writer?

You can't debate opinion with facts, which is why I don't try to convince you that Chloe doesn't have sexual chemistry with Billy (even if they have great acting scenes together) and why I don't try to convince you that Lane is interesting when you don't agree. Those are my opinions.

What I will put to you over and over again, is that it is not fair, when fans of a genre we both love, overwhelmingly prefer the soap under one writer vs. another, and this can be proved, that you keep pushing your opinion as truth, when it can be easily disproved?

I Love the Wire, Weeds, Pushing Daisies, True Blood and In Treatment. I readily acknowledge that they don't make the ratings of American Idol or Dancing with the stars, which I'm not as crazy about, but acknowledge as popular.

To me that is the difference and why I keep pushing the bias issue with you. You can't admit that MAB has lower ratings than LML, even though it is as much the truth as the fact that soaps are declining in ratings right now.

You can bring up every one of LML's wacky ideas and it still won't change the fact that she had better ratings. I put no stock in emmy's since Trevor St. John wasn't even pre-nominated for his death chamber scene, but LML did win one.

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Don't get me wrong, DAYS is better than it's been in awhile, and it's fans are historically much more forgiving, but I think the international attention paid to Deidre Hall's firing caused people to actually tune back in, shocked to hear the news, and wanting to see what was up on a show they once watched. That's just my theory. It's kind of like when I listen to the Pine Valley Podcast. I can be boycotting AMC, but the PVP is so funny, it makes me want to watch the show again, so I can be in on the joke when they talk about how awful it is.

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Jamey - quit beating me. I was all prepared to defend Maria but you did it better than I could.

The argument about ratings is so weak. Across the board all ratings are down. Y&R appears to lately be the only soap to see a steady gain in viewership and it will still continue to go back up. If great ratings equals automatic quality television then I guess I don't know good quality in writing. I agree Jamey I would take past low rated shows like Party of Five or Arrested Development over badly written ratings grabbers anyday.

I have watched this show since I was wee one plopped in front of the TV by my babysitter and the ONLY time I completely tuned the show out was during LML's tenure. My show that I grew up was made unrecognizable by her terrible writing. Watching her decimate my favorite daytime family (The Abbotts) was what did it but thankfully Maria has restored them to their glory and put them back where they belong. They are back in GC, supporting each other and in charge of Jabot. All stories are being written these days with care and have believable dialogue to match the dramatic and organic drama. Maria and Co. are in no way perfect but this is the REAL Y&R. LML's tenure only produced an empty shell of Y&R.

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What I will put to you over and over again, is that it is not fair, when fans of a genre we both love, overwhelmingly prefer the soap under one writer vs. another, and this can be proved, that you keep pushing your opinion as truth, when it can be easily disproved?

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The fact is, we've had a Writer's Strike and election and all-consuming recession. Those are the factors that have all soap viewers tuning out. It certainly isn't because the majority preferred LML. I respect all opinions, but I have to say this is LAUGHABLE. She almost KILLED this show. She went through like a wrecking ball. So she managed to pull off a few popular couples, what soap writer couldn't? Even Dena Higley can do that, but the oh-so-imnportant and essential to the fabric of Bill Bell's 37 year old soap opera coupling known as "Lane" do not make up for this woman writing off Victoria Rowell, firing Eileen Davidson and Jerry Douglas, making Jess Walton a day player and basically handing the show over to Judith Chapman.