Campy Young and Restless Flashback: Nina vs. Cricket, Jill vs. Kay




It's old home summer on The Young and the Restless, thanks the renewal of the classic Kay (Jeanne Cooper) vs. Jill (then the cheesetastic Brenda Dickson, now mercifully Jess Walton) feud, the returns of Nina (Tricia Cast) and Phillip (Thom Bierdz) to the canvas and the possibility of Cricket Blair (Lauralee Bell) making an appearance at some point. In honor of the occasion I decided to dig up this old school clip from the beginning stages of the Nina/Phillip/Cricket triangle. Nina and Cricket were the ultimate frenemies—the beautiful Jabot teen model who had the local rock star Danny Romalotti (Michael Damien) and the Chancellor heir fighting for her hand versus the girl from the wrong side of the tracks. Nina and Cricket's junior rivalry never quite reached the peaks of campy histrionics that Kay vs Jill did, but it was still good soap. I can't wait to see how Kay, Jill, Nina and Cricket react to the fact that Phillip didn't die all those years ago! Mvid courtesy of ItsMandyKimper.


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Wasn't Brenda Dickson simply DIVINE as Jill Foster Abbott? She is much missed!

Thanks for the short stroll down memory lane, Jamey. (Cheesetastic? Funny. But, in MY opinion, soooo untrue. LOL) Laughing out loud

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I don't see what everyone sees in this Brenda Dickson.
Shes a horrible actress and she doesn't make any contact with the people shes sharing a scene with. It looks like she was reading cue cards the whole time. This chic would be laughed out of an acting class. This is 7 minutes of my morning that I can not get back.

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why can't i view this video? even tried logging in, and still nothing...need to see the scene before i can comment

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even tried Explorer, still can't see it. will try again later!

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Brenda Dickson SUCKED and this clip proves it. She was gone right after that Men's Line party that's being referenced so this clip has to be during her last couple of weeks on the job.

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I appreciate a good over the top diva, but I must say I prefer the gritty, raw Jill that Jess brings to the table. I remember Brenda, but admittedly I was a little kid, but even then she struck me as cartoonish. I'm sure some people felt that way about "my" divas, Another World's Cecile (Nancy Frangione) and Vicky (Anne Heche). Plus that Jillian is always hating on my RACHEL DAVIS MATTHEWS FRAME CLARK CORY CORY CORY HUTCHINS (Vicky Wyndham), so I sympathize Soap Snob. LOL

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Brenda Dickson SUCKED and this clip proves it. She was gone right after that Men's Line party that's being referenced so this clip has to be during her last couple of weeks on the job.
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Brenda D. IS Jill. She brought in the ratings back in the day when was on the show. Jess Walton can't bring in the ratings. Brenda played a villainous woman like she was supposed to be played. I've never bought Jess's version of Jill as a villain. In fact I was hoping she would not resign so we could get a recast.

I need a bad woman. I need someone who has that ability to make me hate her and love to hate her. The days when a bitch was a bitch and devil was the devil.

I want the hands sprawled across the door with their ears open eavesdropping in on the conversation to get the upper hand (old Kendall, AMC) type of villainous women.


-Passions sadly was the last vestige of those types. I loved me some Ivy (blackmailing) Crane and "sista dear" saying Liz.


-Days made me tune in for "Bad Lexie" and for Kate and Vivian.


-A sister with a chip on her shoulder Rosanna on ATWT when she was blackmailing Carly was the best.

Brenda fit the mold and has always had me watching and I was a child when she was on. But I knew I liked her. Jess is a washed up version of Jill and sounds too gravely to be who Jill needs to be.

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Brenda left Y&R in 87, they went to number one in 88, and have been there ever since. I know it's the divalicious thing to do for former Y&R stars to solely attribute the ratings to themselves, but that simply is not factual. 88 was the year.

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Jess's Jill has been very villainous over the years, but she also possessed heart and believability. Brenda Dickson was a ham, ham, ham! ROTFLMAO. How can anyone look at those clips and take this woman seriously? Not to mention that "Welcome to My Home" madness. If I interviewed her I would have to have the mic on mute for when I busted out laughing. Daytime is a smaller place than it once was. Producers don't have time for divas. They have to get in there and get it moving.

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Jess's Jill has been very villainous over the years, but she also possessed heart and believability. Brenda Dickson was a ham, ham, ham! ROTFLMAO. How can anyone look at those clips and take this woman seriously? Not to mention that "Welcome to My Home" madness. If I interviewed her I would have to have the mic on mute for when I busted out laughing. Daytime is a smaller place than it once was. Producers don't have time for divas. They have to get in there and get it moving.
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I hear you Jamey but Jess does not give me Villain. She has always been a few chops short a villain.

Also you know that Brenda was more popular then Jess. I don't believe they would have regulated Brenda to supporting status as they have with Jess.

I have not been satisfied with Jess Walton over the last 6 years or so. Whenever she tries to be bad and I call it "Try" I think of what it was like to watch SMG as Kendall or Robin Strasser as Dorian. Heck, even Judith "Emmy worth every scene chewing" Chapman gives me what a soap villain was always supposed to be.

Jess ain't even in their league in the bad department.

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During Brenda Dickson’s last 2 years (1985 to 87) playing Jill Foster Abbott, the character truly morphed into a larger than life and uber-villianess in the vein of Joan Collins’ Alexis Morrell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan on Dynasty. And Brenda was very good at giving Y&R viewers that kind of Jill. It was the 80s and we liked our soap villainesses very rich, very bitchy and, sometimes, over the top. The “Floral Explosion” Jill that is displayed in the clip above is a Jill who was borne of a contentious divorce from John and a continued and ever growing hatred of Katherine. (Plus, Jill felt that, with money acquired from her divorce from John, she could be on an even playing field with Katherine.) That was the absolute beauty of William J. Bell’s vision and oversight of the characters on Y&R – you could see them change and grow in logical ways that were always rooted in their history. Jill was not always the “cartoonish diva” as portrayed by Brenda Dickson nor the “screaming barracuda/shrew” as portrayed by Jess Walton. However, Jill grew into both those incarnations because of her past. And Brenda and Jess simply brought the character to life as they she was written. For a more subtle performance of Brenda as Jill – while she was still Mrs. John Abbott – see the YouTube clip below…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWzSbU7gEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb8btuGMocw

Now, do I think that Brenda Dickson allowed her wildly popular portrayal of Jill in the last 6 months to 1 year of her time at Y&R go to her head? Yes. But that does not make her a bad actress or a bad person. A person whose career trajectory is most comparable to Brenda Dickson’s is Star Jones. When Star was “riding high”, she was EXTREMELY proud of herself and her accomplishments. But when her “contract was not renewed” with The View and her marriage began to unravel, I think that Star really began to see that her days as a “celebrity” had been ill-lived. After 22 years away from Y&R, Brenda may feel the same way.

At any rate, Y&R is Deliciously ON FIRE these days!

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Here is some good Memories of Jill. lol the parody's show popularity. Imitation is best form of flattery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsxCAqXXC5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhOoisLbDoo

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good going Jamey! you almost sucked me in w/those very dead-on adjectives describing Jess -- notice i said ALMOST! lol. I stick by the fact that Jess is a better actress, as is Peter Bergman vs Terry Lester. But for my money, they are NOT Jill and Jack. And they don't create that "can't-miss" addictive factor that Dickson and Lester brought, imo. I think Brenda could act, and supposedly there was some stuff going on w/her toward the end of her run, wasn't there? Possibly distracting her? at least to the point where they had to fire her. Too bad she wasn't cleared of her 80s over the topness before she was shipped out, cause JW doesn't bring the sexy vampiness that Jill requires. You respect the hell out of JW, but she's still DULL AS DISHWATER -- and i never want to see her in bed w/ a studly bartender -- sorry!

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WOW, thank you DAVID! couldn't have said it better, tho i did detest how Passions and James Reilly kinda soiled daytime, but...And I would use Anna Stuart's Donna Love or Frangione's Cecile on AW as examples -- self absorbed, glamorous, still vulnerable, but yet hopefully not a caricature or cartoon. I DO NOT BUY JW as a villianess, after Billy/Chloe's wedding, or any other time! And after 20 years, Jess still doesn't have that effortless chemistry of pure, believable hate and jealousy that Jeanne Cooper and BD brought to the table.

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Genius, soapsnob! Well put. And even a gown and long hair doesn't cover up JW's, ahem, cough, cough, shortcomings, sorry to say. Brenda brought "it", and i would reluctantly agree that it's not fair to judge her JUST on her last year on Y/R. I also think you have to go back to the beginning,and some earlier viewers just connect that character to BD, plain and simple. If BD could've brought down her divaness a notch or two and remained on y/r, all these new plot revelations would be all the better! Just not as satisfying w/JW in the mix. Can you imagine how they could've played Brenda dysfunctionally attached to her new "son" Cain?? it would've been priceless!

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I have tried to stay out of this one because heck I don't recall BD as Jill. I was 4 when she vacated the role and my JW took over. Jess Walton has been my Jill and I have watched some of those old youtube clips of BD and I'm sorry I'm going to have to have Jamey's back on this one. I don't know what Y&R you all have been watching the last 22 years Jess has been playing Jill but it doesn't sound like the same one as me. LOL!!!

JW's Jill, IMO, has been a great villaneous. I remember her coming into a big party at Katherine's when she tried to evict Kay from the mansion. Her and Jeanne Cooper have great chemistry together. I, also, remember hating Jill for cheating on John Abbott the second time they were married. I loved her and Mamie going at it. I have loved to hate Jill and my heart has been breaking for her once she finally realized who Katherine was when she came back from the dead. JW continues to prove why she is Jill Abbott. The writing for her character has finally gotten back on track. Of course JW's dynamic changed with JC's Kay when it was revealed that they were mother and daughter. JW's Jill has been the bomb. That's just my opinion...

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To put it in less words I pretty much think Jess Walton's Jill has a lot of depth. She isn't just a villain. She is a businesswoman, mother, and villain all wrapped together. JW is a great actress!

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FirstJill was really into the word "fabulous." She's so different from CurrentJill who would never use such a word.

But FirstJill was a hoot! The joke about bearing Kay's liver was awesome. If CurrentJill ever leaves, I'd love to see FirstJill. Someone should hire the woman.

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Brenda Dickson was a better Jill than Jess Walton, who also lacks sex appeal. Dickson was vulnerable, bitchy AND sexy.

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Dickson's Jill was a hoot to watch, but as the actress spiraled out of control in real life, her on-screen work diminished. Jess Walton has been fantastic since her first day.

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Yes Yes Yes! A villain always has power. They make you believe they had power. They fear nothing when the chips are up and always come back when the chips are down.

Let Gloria show you how being a villain is done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIUFDoKVrYM

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Yes Yes Yes! A villain always has power. They make you believe they had power. They fear nothing when the chips are up and always come back when the chips are down.

Let Gloria show you how being a villain is done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WXAmSEoE8A

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I'm sorry david46208 but if you think Gloria is a good villian then that explains why you don't prefer Jess Walton's Jill. It's hard for me to take this discussion seriously when you start trying to put Gloria in the same league as JILL FOSTER ABBOTT!

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I'm sorry david46208 but if you think Gloria is a good villain then that explains why you don't prefer Jess Walton's Jill. It's hard for me to take this discussion seriously when you start trying to put Gloria in the same league as JILL FOSTER ABBOTT!
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Gloria does not beat Jill #1 but she sure beats Jill#2 in the Villain department. That is where I make the comparison. Judith Chapman knows how to play a Villain. Jess Walton is unable to play the beats a villain must play when they are bad.

BD and JC both have an ability to make plotting and scheming look entertaining. You can believe they are villains.

But to stay more on topic Brenda D was the Villain and her popularity over Jess Walton is innumerable. Jess's take on the character took away the edge and power that BD brought to it.

But then again I don't believe Alica Minshew as Kendall either. She can act, but she ain't Kendall.

BD put her stamp on the character the same way Victoria Rowell put her stamp on Drucilla. I would have rather them brought Jess on as a new character than try and replace BD.

Judith Chapman is Vet she a shinning talent. She is one of the few actresses who gives constant performances.

She is a soap opera veteran, having played:

* Natalie Bannon Hughes on As the World Turns 555-5555)
* Charlotte Greer on Ryan's Hope (1983)
* Ginny Blake Webber on General Hospital 555-5555)
* Sandra Montaigne on One Life to Live (1987)
* Anjelica Deveraux Curtis on Days of our Lives 555-5555, 1991)
* Gloria Abbott Bardwell on The Young and the Restless (2005-present)
* Jill Foster Abbott on The Young and the Restless (temporary replacement, when Jess Walton was ill. Late 1980s.)

Beginning in January, 2005, Chapman joined the cast of The Young and the Restless replacing Joan Van Ark in the contract role of Gloria Fisher.

A number of prominent actresses, such as Ilene Kristen and Donna Mills read for the role of Gloria, but after a single reading with actor Christian LeBlanc (who plays Gloria's son Michael), producers hired Chapman on the spot.[

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Judith Chapman is Vet she a shinning talent. She is one of the few actresses who gives constant performances.

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I see you are one of the few Judith Chapman as Gloria fans. I don't care how many shows you have been on that has nothing to do with your acting ability. I didn't see JC on any of those shows so that means nothing to me. I just know that since she has came on as Gloria I haven't been all that impressed with her acting. Yes she has had a few (I can count on my hand) good performances in the role but hey it's only my opinion. I could care less who else auditioned for the role. It's irrelevant to the point. The character of Gloria isn't a good villian to me. A good villian to me is someone you love to hate. Who has some rooting value. JC doesn't make schemeing entertaining. She makes me want to jump in the TV and strangle her.

In the end it's all our own opinion on what we do and do not like.

Back on topic I never saw BD in the role. I have always known JW as my Jill. I understand people loving the orginial actress. My only point is I believe JW has done an excellent job in the role of Jill. I wouldn't want to see anyone else in the role.

You seem like you have been watching Y&R for a long time and you seriously think Gloria is a good villian? That is just hilarious to me. It's almost like it's a joke. LMAO

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I do agree that JW's Jill have been defanged for some time now and this the old JIll would never team up with Jeffrey and Gloria, she go after Victor on her own and stare the TGVN down and never back down from him.

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Back on topic I never saw BD in the role. I have always known JW as my Jill. I understand people loving the original actress. My only point is I believe JW has done an excellent job in the role of Jill. I wouldn't want to see anyone else in the role.

You seem like you have been watching Y&R for a long time and you seriously think Gloria is a good villain? That is just hilarious to me. It's almost like it's a joke. LMAO

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Yes I grew up on Y&R and the CBS lineup, then as a teen I defected to ABC, and Later NBC.

I think Jess Walton is a decent actress but just not Jill. Her name is Jill but she ain't Jill. She breaks all the rules in book of villains. But I will say this...Jess Walton can at least act. But i could not help but want to see Brenda come back over have another actress take on the role. I just need my ol' Jill back. lol

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Back on topic I never saw BD in the role. I have always known JW as my Jill. I understand people loving the original actress. My only point is I believe JW has done an excellent job in the role of Jill. I wouldn't want to see anyone else in the role.

You seem like you have been watching Y&R for a long time and you seriously think Gloria is a good villain? That is just hilarious to me. It's almost like it's a joke. LMAO

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Yes I grew up on Y&R and the CBS lineup, then as a teen I defected to ABC, and Later NBC.

I think Jess Walton is a decent actress but just not Jill. Her name is Jill but she ain't Jill. She breaks all the rules in book of villains. But I will say this...Jess Walton can at least act. But i could not help but want to see Brenda come back over have another actress take on the role. I just need my ol' Jill back. lol