Katherine and Jill Find Out Phillip is Gay on Y&R




Last week Phillip (Thom Bierdz) revealed "his truth" to Nina (Tricia Cast). Today he revealed to Jill (Jess Walton) and Katherine (Jeanne Cooper) he is gay. In scenes at the Chancellor mansion, he told them he was forced to leave because he couldn't be what they wanted and that he didn't fit in.

Katherine didn't give an inch, asking why he "can't be honest" and "help them learn and accept who he is." Pointing at Phillip, she told him he "took the cowards way out" and "compounded it a hundred times over by sending Cane to take his place." Jill was no slouch either, telling Phillip he made Katherine believe she had done the "unspeakable" in giving away Jill's baby. 

Even after this Phillip maintained that Cane "helped them get past it" and that "through him I was finally able to to make you guys happy." Her voice trembling in a mix of anger and pain Katherine responded "Two bloody years of happiness versus 20 years of loss," she continued "do you really think that is a fair trade?"

Do you believe Phillip's reasoning and motivation for sending Cane?


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although I feel really bad for Ashley!!!

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Jamey,

Thanks. I think they need time and nurturing. Daphne's about 7 years too old to play Lily. If you put her next to Kristof St. John, she would look to close to his age.

I like both Khalil's and Sherwood's interpretations of Lily. There would be no Lane had neither of those two women been successful.

What I would love is for Victoria Rowell to rejoin the show and have her real life daughter Maya Fahey join as Dru's long lost daughter. I'd love a storyline where Dru had another daughter while in France but let the father raise the child.

That storyline would really be exciting since it would involve more secrets, betrayal, and race.

Think of the tension between Lily and her new sister. Neil and Dru could be involved in a love triangle with Dru's ex-lover, Jean Luc (Picard).

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Simon,

I remember someone telling me that CK and BM went to the br "ass" at Y&R and stated that they couldn't be paired together. Not that believe it, because she doesn't have that kind of clout. But if she did and they listened then she should take her ass up there any say "Hey? Um when I be paired with a black man?"

I'm just sayin' can a brotha get some love or what?

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Josstheguy,

Devetta was not that great of an actress in the role acting wise. She also deviated from what Lily's upbringing was...but then again, in that case she would have had a French accent. Yet still I would take her back any day. And I know they would have given her black love interest after Daniel. I never imagined Devetta's version of Lily dating a white man like Daniel she would go for more of the Slim Shady type of white man.

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I take Devon and Lily. I have Devon realize his love for her and after Lily is out of the coma, have her fall for him.

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FROM: josstheguy

As of the week before last when Phillip returned, Y&R's ratings have returned to their 5 million viewer mark of last year.

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That's not the even the entire population of the state Massachusetts. Y&R used to have way more viewers than 5 million. We hate to admit that the storylines contribute to why people stop watching soaps. Lets face, the genre is not what it used to be. Writers often times write ridiculous stories and expect us viewers to swallow it without any hesitation. Heck no, that's why I am glad my DVR have a fast forward button, so I can fast forward through awful stories and most times I completely skip it altogether. Why is it so hard to put on realistic storylines?

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I take Devon and Lily. I have Devon realize his love for her and after Lily is out of the coma, have her fall for him.
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I could work with that. I could map out 5 year plot line. Including Roxanne becoming a villain and recasting Det. Gil with Lamman Rucker.

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David,

I disagree. First, Daniel and Lily had a lot in common since both were raised as American expatriates living with single parents in Europe. Daniel was a cute, angsty bad boy artist. He would be Lily's type. Why would Lily want to go for the Slim Shady type?

Sherwood's only failing for me was her accent not being more suburban. Lily wouldn't have had a French accent because she would have learned to speak English at home and in school.

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MET,

It is the same reason why people point a few out there storylines as the excuse for Hell to have all the storylines written out there. And Bill Bell knew when something didn't work he ended it. Now-a-days in soaps they just keep moving on.

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End the dead fetus s/l, the Chipmunk and Scooby Doo adventures, MJ hello kitty, and the Sharon opening her drawers to half the town, who next. She probably do Deacon and Daniel next or she will combust. Isn't it look like Deacon want both Daniel and Amber for himself?

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David,

Christel Khalil and Bryton McClure play brother and sister. The show tried to intimate that Devon had a crush on Lily but that was dismissed eventually. It wouldn't have been a good storyline since that would have ruined the brother/sister dynamic.

At this point, the Lily/Cane pairing is a HUGE success. They've been separated and are facing Lily's potential death. So, I don't expect another suitor to go after Lily for at least 6 to 9 months. Besides, watching the irritating ping ponging of the Jack/Nick/Phyllis/Sharon quartet is painful enough.

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This entire storyline is offensive and silly. I expect more from Y&R.

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Joss,

Devetta was a "round-the-way-girl" type of actress. It took a lot for her to try to subdue that personality to play Lily. Devetta would have shined I think if she would have came to the show as an original character. But Lily she was not. And when she played Lily her Lily would have been with a Slim Shady. Devetta's Lily would have never ended up with Cane or Billy. Devetta's Lily was more like Moesha.

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Christel Khalil and Bryton McClure play brother and sister. The show tried to intimate that Devon had a crush on Lily but that was dismissed eventually. It wouldn't have been a good storyline since that would have ruined the brother/sister dynamic.

At this point, the Lily/Cane pairing is a HUGE success. They've been separated and are facing Lily's potential death. So, I don't expect another suitor to go after Lily for at least 6 to 9 months. Besides, watching the irritating ping ponging of the Jack/Nick/Phyllis/Sharon quartet is painful enough.
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Y&R didn't try it. They held hands once while watching a movie and that was the extent of it. They never perused a relationship and then backed out of it.

They are not biologically brother and sister and are far more like a blended family.

As for the quad they have been playing them long past their prime. When I read somewhere that Sharon and Nick would not get back together until November I was too through.

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The quad is getting on my last nerves. I would watch Lily and Devon hooking up than Sharon, the wimpy mess, Nick and jack, two spineless jerks, and Phyllis, who needs to hook up with Deacon or Neil.

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What if Devon's father was Brian Hamilton, Daniel birth father? That would make Daniel and Devon brothers and connected the families together.

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David, please prove your arguments without making false, blanket statements. NY Undercover number 3 show in primetime? Yeah, if there were only three shows entirely on television. I think you are still watching Y&R you just won't admit it. It would seem you are on a crusade for everyone to dislike this show. It is too popular with us right now. I love my Y&R and can't wait for the next episode each day. Come on now and get on the stick. I applaud you for your interest in African American characters and your desire to see these actors succeed in daytime believe me, but sometimes I think you mistake confuse facts with fiction.

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SiomonStuart,

Isn't Daniel's bio dad dead? Hamilton is Devon's mother's name.

Y&R seems to have dropped Devon's search for his birth father for the time being. Too bad the show doesn't drop the Devon has a crush on Tyra mess. Eew, eew, eew!

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I don't watch i follow the news here and saw a few online clips. But AA's are not my main gripe they are only part of the 95% of what is wrong with the show. Sorry I know how Bill Bell envisioned that soap and saw it through his changes. This Ain't what it was. let the other soaps do it.

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Oh, I forgot it is his mother maiden name. Yeah, they drop the ball. Y&R was number one because of the AA was on front burner s/ls unlike the other soaps where there wasn't even AA characters onscreen.

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DONT LET LILY'S CANCER BE TERMINAL!
And whatever people may think of Christel Khalil, most people can't see anyone else playing Lily.

And why so many people trashing the writers and comparing this to Passions?
They brought this show back, and unfortunately if you dont like it, it's the closest to what the Bell era would have been (except perhaps the whole Adam-is-evil may have been a lighter story)

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amcoltlyr,

I don't think Christel Khalil is leaving Y&R any time soon. She left a few years ago and came back. Khalil has front burner status on Y&R as part of one soapdom's hottest couples. Given the state of things, why would she want to leave?

On the flipside, I can't see Y&R killing the character of Lily. She's not only a popular character but arguably the show's most popular African-American character since Druscilla died.

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I like Y&R.

Yeah the storylines are not always plausible(?) but it's a soap.

The thing that's dragging down Y&R right now are the horrible actors they cast. They need a casting direction like Mark from General Hospital. The whole teen set is horrible. The chick who plays Mac is beyond horrible. She is just down right terrible. And his new actor playing Adam isn't anything to right about.

Once they get the right actors , this show will be almost perfect. Also I agree with someone who said this guy who plays Phillip isn't doing a good job. He isn't like Trina Cast who came back and it was like she never left. You can tell this guy hasn't acted in a very long time. He is terrible.

Oh and Sharon is god-awful!

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David46208,

William J. Bell has passed away, rest his soul. He was a unique and dynamic storyteller and, obviously a shrewd businessman/leader. We will not likely see the likes of him again.

Kay Alden is no longer head-writing Y&R. And after seeing what she is doing at B&B, I am not sure she should return to her former "home."

Sally Sussman Morena, after her recent online interview, is very probably in the same boat with Victoria Rowell. Yes, I know her husband is Supervising Producer at Y&R. Which brings me to…

Ed Scott, Melody Thomas Scott’s husband, who, after the WGA debacle at Days, is, perhaps wisely, concentrating on other endeavors.

Therefore, after Bill Bell’s vision was SERIOUSLY compromised during Lynn Marie Latham’s reign of terror, Maria Arena Bell is restoring this show to a daytime drama that Bill Bell WOULD recognize while also updating it for the current times and nature of the business.

Make no mistake, I adore Bill, Kay, Sally and Ed. I have a genuine soft spot for what I call “Classic Y&R.” (Hell, Classic Daytime Drama.) And I was a supportive fan of Y&R during all their tenures with the show. But it is time to move on. Either watch and enjoy the show as it is now and engage in lively, fact-based communication with your fellow DC posters. Or, sit quietly (and provide an occasional aside) and allow us who do enjoy the show to do so without your biased judgment.

Relax. Relate. Release. And then, you will have Peace. Wink

(This is coming from someone with much Brenda Dickson love. But I know it will be an ICY COLD day in hell before Brenda resumes the role of Jill Foster Abbott full-time. To which I still hope someone will someday say, “SoapSnob, grab your chinchilla!”)

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David,

Lily = Moesha?

I found this Youtube clip for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj25Ibky290&feature=related

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Either watch and enjoy the show as it is now and engage in lively, fact-based communication with your fellow DC posters.

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Thank you SoapSnop that is the KEY point for me. David needs to learn how he to get his facts straight because on numerous occasions he has falsely stated something just to go with his argument.

I don't mind debating what we do and don't like but have your facts in order and quit continuing to purposely distort the truth to fit your argument. Doesn't make sense and it's stupid.

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Y&R seems to be following OLTL because they were nominated for their ridiculous storylines of bringing people back from the dead. When did Y&R become a follower instead of a leader? And worst Y&R is not even following a soap that's within the top three. Bringing back Phillip 3 dont spell drama, its spells OLTL. And if I wanted to watch OLTL, I would tune into it.

The fact of the matter is the storyline dont wash at all. For instance:

Cane is younger than Phillip 3 and looks younger even on a bad day.

Phillip 3 is suppose to have an over 18 year son. That certainly could not wash where Cane is concern. He would had to be eleven years old to make Phillip 4 (or Chance as they are going to call him.)

Someone said the storyline is just as ridiculous as Passions' storyline, and I agree. Its total BS and nothing else. Is the audience suppose have short term memory problem all of a sudden?

Jeanne Cooper and Jess Walton deserves better than this chipmunk like storyline. Their years of experience should have garnered them more respect than this crappy unbelievable storyline. I guess I will now have to view Y&R in the same way I view OLTL - just another bad soap.

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See Joss I told you Moshesa.

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Soapsnob I have to disagree. Soaps are a dying industry. You need to get back to basics. No business can survive by just forgetting the model it was built on and doing whatever the hell you want to do. We don't need another Bush who just forgets the rules of law and makes them up as we go along. People fight in courts on a daily basis to determine whether laws are constitutional or if the go against the fabric of our being as Americans. The Constitution was used as a template for assuring equal rights for African Americans and so on. So you don't ever move on.

Any soap should be written as if it's creator has never left. When we talk about getting a show back to the basics we back to the way it was supposed to be written. Not the flavor the month. You can't talk about soaps without knowing how the credited creator of soaps Irma Philips and her offspring Agnes Nixon, Bill Bell or Douglas Marland made it what it was.

So this more then just about a few actors and characters. This is about totally disregarding Y&R and Bell's vision.

Imagine someone trying to mess with the Ralph Lauren or Channel's brand. They'd be thrown out on their asses. It wouldn't work. And when it has been done it rarely if ever was received with open arms.

So you always need to mine the history and write the show as if Bill Bell never left or end with this mush.

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I agree with both Smitty if he likes Y&R s/ls and I agree with David that the show is going into Passionseques territory. I feel that Thom isn't selling this s/l to the fans and thats why some viewers are not buying this. But with Hogan, he does go into the out there s/ls that are not what fans want and MAB needs to rein in Hogan.

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David46208,

I appreciate your response. And your passion for daytime drama. I firmly believe that the reason that Y&R was sooo good for sooo long was because William J. Bell’s singular vision was evident day after day, week after week, year after year. And because of that vision, we came to, rightfully so, expect sooo much more from Y&R. But, the current television climate requires a different way of thinking and proceeding with action. While the current incarnation of Y&R is not perfect - nor was it when Bill Bell was writing full-time - I view it as an updated version that, again, William J. Bell WOULD recognize and it is a show of which he WOULD be very proud. Bill would probably play more and, somewhat, slower story beats, but it would look very similar to what we see on our screen today. Because daytime dramas are literally, like their viewers, living, breathing entities, they must grow and change with the times - while being true to their core - or else they will perish. (Sigh)

It sounds like because you and your family/friends/extended circle do not like what Y&R is currently writing/producing, then it is counter to Bill Bell’s vision and is therefore not worthy of someone’s enjoyment? And this, ultimately, is the point I am trying to make to you… We are all welcome to our opinions. However, it is when we attempt to force those opinions on others that we lose our way.

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SoapSnob, your statement was good and you have a great point, but if they don't acknowledged the AA audience that has made the show number one for 20 years and we are not being use to our full potential, I feel that tptb don't value me as a viewer and I have to the right to be upset and the right to speak my point. No offense to you. I like some of Y&R s/ls, but some of the s/ls stink and needs fixing.

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Well even Superhead spoke and she is African American. When you think of its majority audience you have to know that most black women for get just black fans in general talk to even in the chatrooms don't are looking at in dismay. Soapsnob I highly doubt Bill Bell would even recognize Y&R.

So if people like inconsistencies and whatever the flavor of the moment is then so be it. but when it goes against history we need to let it out.

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DAvid, when you do your next assessment of Y&R, you should do another part about what you think is wrong with Y&R and how to fix it.

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On a final note...

Some viewers LOVE Y&R.
Some viewers like Y&R.
Some viewers are indifferent to Y&R.
Some viewers do not like Y&R.
Some viewers HATE Y&R.

To each his own. We are all entitled to our opinions.

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Like Jamey said, you are not going to have a soap opera where ALL of the story lines are great! You are going to have a few that is lacking. It is very difficult to come up with great story writing 365 days a year. It is just not possible. It is not too much to ask though for MOST of the story lines to be on point. That is just the case with Y&R. Overall, they are doing a very good job sans the Chipmunk and the Jana/Kevin/Amber/Daniel art theft storyline.

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Oh Simon I did a 7 part assessment before. But I will do an updated one. That was when I cared about that much but I will do an updated one. I'll break down how Bill Bell wrote it and how it moved dramatically away from it. And I will even break down the arguments. It's easy to do.

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You forgot the never ending quad and the hysterical pregnancy and bad acting Back from the dead and non-relationship of billy and Mac and did I say TY not! That sums up about most of the show. Oh wait kitty cat in the hat. You forgot those.

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Maybe I left them out because I think they are good story lines. I don't think things are going to change on this soap opera. Do you expect to rag on Y&R until the end of its run? It doesn't make sense to do that.

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And the forgotten characters like Colleen, MIA Lauren, JT and Victoria, even though they need to recast Victoria, JT should be in the art theft mess, he is a PI, you know. Why isn't Phyllis going after MJ? Phyllis is crazier than MJ and should would of hurt MJ herself like she smack Heather for accusing her off hurting her child. And last, the corporate world. Why isn't anyone at the office working? Or how about Jack's obsession with this unborn child when he has two children that he forgetting to mention or see how they are doing? IF MAB is for history, she would at least have Ashley mention Keemo and Kyle.

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Phillip faking his death because he was a closeted homo was always going to be a hard sell. It was 1989 -- 20 years after Stonewall -- when Phillip decided to do his Houdini routine. Phillip, as Kay astutely pointed out, could have easily moved from Wisconsin to a gay mecca like New York where he could have joined ACT UP, fought for the Gay Men's Health Crisis and so on and so forth. Or he could have gone to San Francisco.

Having said that, I am appreciating Thom Bierdz's return because it's a great homecoming of sorts for a man who has suffered tremendous traumas in his life. Could his acting be better? Sure, but he was never an acting prodigy to begin with, right?

I guess I'm going along for the ride for the pure sentiment of it all. It's a nice little escape from reality and that's the only reason I watch my soaps. So, bring it on, Y&R. Just show it onscreen and don't censor yourselves!

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reggyreg why do we continue to entertain him? He is back for another week or two to run rampant on the Y&R and non Y&R threads with his continual disapproval of the show that he doesn't even watch anymore. RME (rolling my eyes) Let him be.

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Smitty, you are right. It is like beating a dead horse! We will keep enjoying Y&R despite him and the other naysayers. Thanks.

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Well smitty not sorry I can break it down to a science. You're not entertaining me. I'll watch a dose of Chappell show if I's needs to be entertained. Don't get in the ring unless you ready for the fight.

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Thank you for talking about Bill Bell and outrageous stories. It was actually the writers that replaced Bill that were more realistic. Bell KNEW how to get people talking and realism seldomly was how it was done. He loved outrageous stories and I think Y&R currently is something he would really get into. Maybe the pacing is not up to his standards (too many story lines at a time) but back from the dead and dead cats and fake gay people and amnesia.... well this is stuff that he could sink his teeth into. And frankly so can I!! I don't need to sit around and listen to people drone on about real life.... Heck I watch soaps to escape that. What I don't like is when they glaze over a story and don't put it in perspective of the shows history. And all the stories that Y&R are telling have roots and REAL roots to its history.
Adam is like he is because he is rebelling against his father who abandoned him. Even the gay storyline and fixing the mistakes of the last writing regime have been right on! I agree Bill Bell would be glowingly happy and at peace with what his daughter in law is doing. No it's not as masterfull as BILL BELL but then who is?

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Siomonstuart,

Colleen was off canvas because the actress portraying her was on vacation back home in Australia, where she was filming a movie.

JT is not a PI. He is director of security for Newman Enterprises.

Victoria is around but not on frontburner.

As for Jack's children, his son Kyle should be the same age as Abby, about 15. It's bizarre that he's never mentioned as it is that Keemo never comes to town. But Jack did mention both kids last week.

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Jamey,

Scarlett O'Hara? Why did you have to go there?! Blech!

The romanticization of the antebellum South is sickening.

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David555-5555 why'nt you shut yo mouth and just stop watchin the damn show if you don't like it so much? U be getting on people nerves! And comb yo hair before the next time you go on You Tube!

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Josstheguy, I am as black as the midnight sky, okay, not really, but on the inside I am, and I LOVE Gone With the Wind. It was a sweeping, well-written fairy tale. Of course it was a romanticization, but I adored it. 
 

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I'll keep talking about it. And i'm not sorry for it either. i've got thick skin and sharp tongue. get in the ring with me and you'll leave out in bandages.

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Well, I think that Bill Bell went crazy and then slow the show's pace. He did a lot of campy and over the top s/ls, but the other s/ls was realistic and then have over the top s/l playing. But I think that David is feeling that most of the s/ls is getting to be over the top and fast paced and the writers can slow down a bit.