DC #439: CBS and Days The Old Boy's Club is Killing Daytime



On today’s CBS and Days of Our Lives episode of Daytime Confidential Luke, Jamey, Mike, Jillian and Melodie discuss the latest in As the World Turns, The Bold and the Beautiful, Days of Our Lives, Guiding Light and The Young and the Restless news and storylines, including:

Has As the World Turns figured out a way to salvage Paul Ryan by giving him amnesia? Lily went hard against Meg, but should Lily be with Damian or Holden? The DC gang reacts to Henry Coleman being James Stenbeck’s son. Jamey provides an update on Josh Griffith’s status at ATWT.

Is Brad Bell getting his groove back? The Bold and the Beautiful’s ratings are up. What might be the reason? Jamey has a suggestion. Which photo shoot was better, the royalty photo shoot at Forrester or the cougar photo shoot at Jackie M? Jillian likes one, Luke and Jamey like the other. Is Donna or Brooke the true queen at Forrester?

Mel plans on following Crystal Chappell from Guiding Light to Days of Our Lives and has been watching it to get acquainted. She shares her thoughts, as a new viewer, on the latest Salem happenings. Kate realizes she is love with Daniel. Rafe’s sister Arianna is dealing drugs out of the Brady pub.

Katherine Chancellor and Michael Baldwin are going to Springfield. The gang discusses what in the world they might be doing there. Dinah confesses and leaves Springfield. Guiding Light filmed its last scenes at CBS Center.

Jillian is in The Young and the Restless heaven. Nikki confessed her love for Victor and Victor went in search of Nikki. The Newman’s Zapato died, but did they have to show it? Jamey discusses Kristoff St. John's interview with BuzzWorthy Radio in which he talks about the lack of black writers and directors in daytime.

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I love the podcast as always but i would rather them kill off Victoria than to recast her.I could except Sarah Brown as Victoria but please no KM i am sure Kelly M is happy on GH as is her fans to have her there. I have stopped watching GH and I love my YnR too much to give it up i am not a fan of Kelly M but i think Sarah B would be awesome as Victoria.

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Great podcast.

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ATWT is actually being a loyal friend to James Stenbeck's portrayer, Anthony Herrera. By bring back Herrera, ATWT ensure that he is eligible for his health insurance through his union. Herrera has had cancer, which he conquered recently.

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As usual, GREAT podcast guys!

I hope we get a "Performer of the Week" podcast this week. However, we all know that MELODY THOMAS SCOTT and Eric Braeden killed it last week. The Nikki and Victor scenes on Friday were some of their BEST, if not THE BEST! Woo, those scenes were so beautifully written and expertly acted. I was emotionally beaten (and just verklempt) after watching those scenes. MTS, EB and Janice Ferri Esser, one of the writers of the episode, brought their A-game.

And, Right On! Jillian and Jamey in re: KSJ and the sad state of African-Americans (and diversity in general) behind the scenes in daytime.

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BTW, there is a direct correlation between the diminished number of Rick scenes and increased enjoyment of B&B. Rick needs a personality makeover. Kyle Lowder can be a fine actor when given good material.

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Another Kick Ass Podcast Everyone

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I thoroughly enjoyed the podcast. Thanks guys

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The FAB FIVE...you aLL ARE THE BEST. Another great podcast and thanks for the lengthier discussion.

Oh Jamey thanks for letting Jillian have her moment over our Nikki and Victor. MELODY THOMAS SCOTT WILL YOU MARRY ME WHEN ED SCOTT BITES THE DUST?!?!?! Just kidding...sort of...LMAO. I am looking forward to hearing what you all say on the performer of the week. Gosh last week's Y&R was a treat for long term and short term viewers. It showed that Nikki and Victor are the money couple. Y&R has a rich history and one of the things I like is that a number of the actors have been on the show for decades. I think it's important especially when you have stories with vets to be able to flashback to their history.

I also want to recommend that Buzz Worthy Radio episode with Kristoff St. John. It's a must listen and if you haven't heard Victoria Rowell's Daytime Confidential interview then listen to that one too.

Once again great podcast.

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I've never agreed with the theory that having more people of color behind the scenes would lead to having more people of color on screen.

First of all, hiring someone and saying, 'you are here to write for the black people", is insulting, and will just result in both the writers and the actors being out of a job in a short period of time, as well as furthering the idea of the black characters being segregated from the rest of the cast.

It's also insulting and wrong to assume that only black writers can write for black characters, this is one of the reasons why black writers can't get jobs on soaps, ignorant execs. feel that they can't write for white characters, so why bother hiring them.

The bottom line is that there is an executive produer and or head writer, and they are the ones who make the final decision. If these people aren't open minded and intelligent enough to have a diverse cast, and to integrate people of different races into the cast, then it doesn't matter if they have black writers and producers on the show.

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Also, as a black long term viewer of Y&R Jamey you now have me wondering why I have stuck with Y&R. I never thought about it until you said that on the podcast. Why am I sticking with Y&R? You know that was one of the things I used to brag about Y&R was it's diversity and it used it's black actors in front burner storylines. MAB and Co. need to fix the black storyline. That has to be one of my biggest complaints with this show. Just about every black person knew who Dru, Malcom, Neil, and Olivia were. It's nice to have Olivia back but why are Neil and Olivia just props for storys? They need to be front burner. Gosh and why bring on Tyra and Ana come on screen when long term viewers are wanting to see Little Nate return. I mean come on. I am one of the first people to praise MAB and Co. but if they are reading this they need to get the Winters family stuff together and they need to do it quickly! Bring Victoria Rowell back! I'm sorry but you can't tell me that people would want to see the Cane/Lily storyline over having Drucilla return. I still don't buy that Lily is as popular as they may want you to believe.

I will end my rant there but there is so much more that I can say. Thanks Jamey and Jillian for talking about that. You all have taken the words right out of my mouth and I am sure you speak for a great deal of us LONG TERM BLACK VIEWERS.

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No one said black writers would only write for black characters. Michele Val Jean is famous for writing Liz's rape and revisiting Luke's rape of Laura on GH, and while it might be insulting,I am sure the legions of black writers who can't find work in Hollywood would quickly figure out a way to get over it, if they were told they were needed to help pay special attention to black storylines on soaps. Soaps aren't set up for certain writers to write for certain characters, breakdown writers must do breakdowns for all episodes. Script writers must write scripts for all characters, but having black writers in the writer's room when black characters are being fleshed out would help. They have a black writer on OLTL and I bet that's why the Evans brothers are ringing true. I am sorry, i am not gonna play political correctness with this one, or back down because of hypothetical feelings of insult. Daytime needs more writers of color, PERIOD. This industry is largely watched by minorities and they damn well should have more minorities behind the scenes.

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Caitlinp, as a black viewer I will say this. With every race, whether we want to admit it or not, there are certain things that we understand about our race. Like Jamey said if they have a consultant they can give insight into what a black person would say or feel. That goes for any race. Like this Devon and Tyra stuff. I'm sorry but black folks don't sleep with their aunts. We just don't do it. It's not real and it's disgusting. Like KSJ said in his interview, in a lot of black families religion plays an important part. I know we may agree to disagree but the black writers and producers bring authenticity to it. That's just my opinion. As with the Drucilla character, I feel she is so popular because she brought the authenticity to the role. I believe she adlibbed a lot of the stuff they gave her for the character. Just like with Davetta Sherwood in the role of Lily. Like Victoria Rowell said in her interview with DC, you can't teach someone how to be black. It's authentic. Davetta Sherwood brought an authenticity to the role. That's why in the short 6 or 7 months that she was on the show people loved her portrayal of Lily.

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Smitty,

Davetta Sherwood, a fine actress, should have had a different accent when she played Lily. She didn't sound like a girl raised in Paris and Midwest Suburbia.

It's silly to connect authenticity of blackness to how someone speaks.

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caitlinp,

First, you have a picture of Kyle and Oliver kissing as your avatar. Do you think that their story would appear were it not for the fact that the show has gay creative staff who are allowed to give input? D

Y&R's all white writing staff don't understand or seem to care about the culture of people of color. They don't drop in the right cultural touchpoints that tie characters of color to their ethnicity. The subtle things that make people who they are matter.

Secondly, the fact that Y&R has no blacks on the creative staff at all is really creepy in a 1950s way. It's not about black writers just writing for black characters, or Latino writers writing for Latino characters, it's about employment and opportunity along with authenticity.

Hollywood IS very racist.

The two Transformer movies featured terrible racist stereotypes. Why is that? The writers and director are clueless and didn't care about how destructive their onscreen bigotry is until they started to hear criticism.

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Sadly Smitty, there's a lot of incest in the black community, but it's just never reported. I think your attitude of black people don't do this or that, is one of the excuses that execs. use as to why they don't have more front burner storylines featuring black characters. There is no one way to be black just as there is no one way to be white.

Yes, shows need to hire more people of every race, sex, and sexual orientation, but that's not the main problem. The main problem is that these Producers and writers are not smart enough to create three dimensional characters, and they get caught up in this idea that just because a character is a certain race, and this even transcends over to sexual orientation, then they have to act, look, talk, etc. a certain way. And when audiences don't take to this one diemensional stereotype, the execs. use the excuse that audiences don't want to see people of color on their screens. We'll just ignore the fact that some of the most popular characters and couples of all time have been people of color.

I also don't understand how people can support these shows when there's such blatant bigotry going on. I've caught a few episodes of ATWT recently, and I'll admit that it's better than it's been in a year, but I just can't sit and watch it without thinking about the fact that this show has no problem with using it's black characters as tokens, as if they are being forced to have them on the show. That pretty much takes the joy away from watching, and I have no problem with turning the tv off.

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Racism on the Silver Screen
Critics Say Hollywood Films Still Perpetuate Racial Stereotypes

npr.org/programs/specials/racism/hollywood/010906.hollywood.html

http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2009/06/on-transformers-2-why-hollywoo-00...

examiner.com/x-4211-SF-Asian-American-Movie-Examiner~y2009m7d2-Is-Ken-Jeongs-character-Mr-Chow-in-The-Hangover-a-racist-stereotype

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Joss, the characters in my avi are from a British soap.

And, you are making my point for me, the main problem is the bigoted mindset of the people in charge, which they would have regardless if their were gay, black, Asian, Hispanic, etc. people on staff. OLTL, which you and Jamey mention, has a long history of using characters of color to get attention or earn brownie points, and then dropping them when there is a change in writers, or when a particular storyline ends. They went out of their way to give Nora a biracial child, because they knew that was the only way to tie a black family into the canvass, but then they shoved RJ into the background, but still have the nerve to say that the cast is diverse. The show went over the top in promoting the new cast additions, which is yet another sign that they probably aren't serious about having them around as little more than props. Let's not forget that this is the same show that had no problem with recasting an Asian actress with a white southern actress, claiming that Blaire's ethnicity was no longer important to the storyline.

As you said, these people don't care about showing diversity, they do care about having tokens, and until that is addressed, nothing will change. All of the gay, black, Asian, etc. writers in the world won't change the type of mindset that exists on most soaps.

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caitlinp,

Forgive me for interjecting in your conversation with Smitty. But incest exists in all communities. It's called child molestation/rape! Hello!

As Jamey would say, Jesus take the wheel! Please don't ever drop an unqualified comment about incest like that. It plays on many stereotypes.

Smitty's point is that the majority of African-Americans are not going to accept a nephew having a relationship with the aunt he grew up thinking of as a blood relative. They won't be a rootable couple. They'll be seen as freaks. Many won't want to see a nice young man like Devon getting nasty with his aunt, who already wrecked the marriage of Devon's father. (Sorry, if you look at the message boards, a lot of women were angry about Neil and Karen's horrible break up. Kristof St. John spoke out against it on his Buzzworthy interview since it was out of Neil's character to cheat on his wife.)

This pairing is going to sink like a lead weight dropped into the ocean.

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Ellen Wheeler/P&G/CBS will not give the fans a good ending. I just know it. It will be crap. Just like the last few years. Sad

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caitlinp,

I don't disagree that some soaps have a terrible problem of hiring actors of color and then dropping them. I'm more than happy to say screw them. ATWT made the point of bringing back Jade and found her father. Poof! They're gone! What? I'm less likely to devote any time to watching the show because of that.

However, you're wrong about the Gannons on OLTL. The Gannons had a 10 year run on the show. The Vega family also have had long runs. OLTL is now making an investment in the Evans family.

Y&R's Winters and Barbers also had very long runs. Things are crappy now but if there's enough protest then the show will change. If it doesn't, turn off the show.

(Argh! Why is Devon's home so dingy looking? He's the home of a CEO! Neil should be a millionaire. Why wouldn't Neil cut a check for painters?!)

The sad part is that things do depend on who is in charge.

However, you are wrong in that having writers, directors, and producers of color doesn't matter. Those writers can add to presenting authentic representations. There is also the issue of employment opportunities. Why can't a black or Asian writer write for Jack and Sharon?

You have a very defeatist attitude that basically suggests that people of color shouldn't even try to be on the creative staffs of soaps. I say screw that. If your attitude prevailed, then there would be no people of color working at any predominately white controlled institution.

Sadly, there will always be bigots, but that doesn't mean that people should not fight for their slice of the pie.

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Sadly Smitty, there's a lot of incest in the black community, but it's just never reported.

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There is some in the black community. Now it would be naive for anyone to think there isn't. I think caitlinp you have made my point in your statement. The current writers are thinking that people are supposed to act a certain way. I.E. as DC reported when the cast call went out for the character of Tyra it was for a young Drucilla. If anyone who remembers when Drucilla first came on the show and what she grew into this Tyra character is no where near a young version of Drucilla.

Like you said as a whole daytime needs more diversity race wise. I'm not just talking black people I mean EVERY race.

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josstheguy, are you even reading my comments? Smitty is the one who said that no black person would sleep with their aunt, I'm the one who said that it does happen, but it usually just isn't reported as much, and that's why we have people having the mindset that Smitty has. You can interject, we are having a discussion here, but please go back and re-read what I said. I'm the one that said that there is no one way to be a certain race, that's why it makes no sense to say that this or that doesn't happen among black people.

People not liking a storyline, is a lot different than saying that this is something that black people won't do, since it's just not true. And that's one of the issues, these execs. keep using criticism like that in order to justify not giving black characters storylines.

I'm not saying that you can't criticize a storyline, but do it in a way that doesn't further marginalize black people and characters and make it seem like black people all think and act alike.

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One more thing, I'm not saying that black writers, or any writer of color, shouldn't try to get hired on these shows, or that they shouldn't try to change things, all I'm saying is that the problem doesn't start with them.

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Davetta Sherwood, a fine actress, should have had a different accent when she played Lily. She didn't sound like a girl raised in Paris and Midwest Suburbia.

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Josstheguy, I know a lot of people will say Lily was raised in Paris but she spent most of her time in GC growing up. When Drucilla was briefly off the canvas Lily lived in between both of her parents. She didn't just stay with Dru in Paris.

yeah I didn't mind Christel Khahlil during her first run. Her interpretation of Lily was ok, but after seeing a different actress give her interpretation of Lily I have to say I noticed what CK was lacking in the role. Accents aside CK just doesn't do it for me as Lily. She is a bore. That's my opinion.

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Smitty is the one who said that no black person would sleep with their aunt, I'm the one who said that it does happen, but it usually just isn't reported as much,

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My major problem with this is they are trying to romanticize incest. I know Devon and Tyra don't share any blood but that's just digusting to me. I think it's an insult to viewers to think we would care about these two characters getting together. It's so out of left field. I'm sorry incest may happen in every community but I'm sorry I think I speak for most when I say that just isn't something I want to see on my screen. It's very unbelievable. Calm me crazy but I just don't buy it.

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I agree i liked Davetta's version of lily better not tryinhg to diss the ohter actress she just does not do it for me.

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ROTFLMAO!!! Jamey, Nikki and Victor impersonations is one thing but I don't how much more I can take hearing your Rafe getting some good-good impersonation. That was too, too funny.

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caitlinp,

Yep. I read your comment about incest. My response was directly related to yours. Re-read them. I also directly noted when I was referring to Smitty's comments.

The Tyra/Devon coupling stinks like fish that has been left out on the kitchen counter for three days.

I don't see black audience members in large numbers rooting for an aunt/nephew pairing. Up until a hot minute ago Devon thought this woman was his blood relative. This story is rotten.

This makes the second time that Tyra has stolen another woman's man. It's just not going to fly.

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josstheguy, your first comment to me had no relevance to what I said. I never said that there wasn't incest in the black community or only in the black community. As far as black people liking this storyline, I have no way of surveying every black person, so unlike you, I won't try to speak for every black person who watches the show. My point is that I don't think it makes sense to say that something like this wouldn't happen with black people. While the storyline may suck, there's no need to further restrict the types of storylines that black characters can participate in. The storyline should be crticized because nobody wants to see someone in a relationship with someone who they once thought was their aunt, and not because people think it's a knock against black people.

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caitlinp,

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never made a blanket statement about all black people. My first comment to you was a general discussion of racism and the need for writers of color.

You wrote this to Smitty: "Sadly Smitty, there's a lot of incest in the black community, but it's just never reported. I think your attitude of black people don't do this or that, is one of the excuses that execs."

You made a general comment about there being "a lot of incest in the black community." I found that to be broad and imprecise.

Furthermore, you just stated that I made some comment about all black people. I did not. I wrote about "African-Americans," who are an ethnic subgroup with a distinct cultural heritage. Moreover, I used a qualifier "majority":

"Smitty's point is that the majority of African-Americans are not going to accept a nephew having a relationship with the aunt he grew up thinking of as a blood relative. They won't be a rootable couple. They'll be seen as freaks."

Clearly, a majority is not "all" by the definition of the word.

Dude/Dudette,

In summary, I agree with both Jamey and Smitty. There are not enough people of color in behind the scene roles in Hollywood, and the Tyra/Devon coupling is gross (just as is all of the faux incest on B&B).