I was excited by this promo clip...except for seeing boring annoying Lily inserted into the mix...looks like she is having some psychic vision. The writers will probably make this all about her grief...anything to paint her as the victim...they seem obsessed with getting viewers to have sympathy for her. I just wish they were killing off her lame ass one note character.
It's eerie and I can't see what happens. I am still hopign that Jack can save Colleen without ending up in dire straits himself. Between Jack adn Colleen I'd rather Colleen bite the dust.
I do agree with the people who have pointed out that the women on this show have been portrayed progressively weak and needy. Used to be the women on Y&R were just as cut throat and business savvy as the men. But the business sotrylines seem to be gone. We got a glimpse with the whole Newman Board crap but that's about it. Now we have the bedroom instead of the boardroom.
I do think MaryJane makes a great villian. She does evil but underneath the evil is a a vulnerability that makes me feel sympathy for her. I could do without her targetting little kids and small animals but you just know she is a broken woman inside.
I really believe the trouble started when Hogan Scheffer was brought on board. For the first six months of her tenure, I was really impressed by Maria Arena Bell's work (cleaning up many of Lynn Maria Latham's messes and acknowledging Y&R's history). But now? The show is pure CRAP.
DaytimeLuv thanks for the response back. Here are few things I want to point out about the show. I know many have been complaining about the pacing of storylines. Here's my thing with Nikki breaking it off with Paul. I know they didn't show there romance on screen but if you noticed all during their relationship Nikki was showing signs that she wasn't over Victor. Victor and her had a couple heart to hearts and when Paul proposed did you remember that Nikki ran to Victor to tell him first. I didn't see her returning love for Victor something that came out of the blue. It was an undertone that was being played throughout the romance of Nikki/Paul. I do hate that they played the majority of Nikki/Paul romance off screen.
I think with the pacing people aren't going to be happy one way or the other. I remember during the whole Katherine "death" stuff people where complaining about it taking so long for Katherine to be revealed to be the real Katherine. It's like in that case people where complaining about Y&R drawing stuff out. Now people are complaining about things moving too fast. It's like what do you want.
Here is my thing on the villians. EVERYBODY keeps hollering and screaming about Adam and Patty aka Mary Jane being irredemable (sp.?) but everyone is forgetting that many characters on Y&R have done some very atrocious things. I mean look up the back story on Phyliss, Michael, and Victor just to name a few. I mean they all did some very shady stuff. I mean for christ sakes Phyliss ran over Paul and Christine trying to kill them. She pretty much made sure her best friend died when she was going to expose all her lies to Danny. I am sick of everyone trying to claim that Patty and Adam can't be redeemed. They can and if people knew there Y&R history then they wouldn't be worried about it. Many of the great characters on Y&R started off as villians. Let the stories play out. Hell Victor traped his first wife's lover in a secret room/dungeon on the Newman Ranch.
I know some of you are on the hate Y&R train right now but I'm sorry it's not that bad. It's actually really good IMO. Yes there have been some turkey's in the storylines (Devon/Tyra, Philip's reaction to everyone, Teroni art crap with Daniel/Amber/Kevin/Jana) but I have to say overrall it's been great. I mean the Paul/Nikki marriage breakup has been great. Mary Jane aka Patty storyline started slowly and we watched her unwrap as we learned her identity, Adam gaslighting story has been great for me. This past week everyday I was rushing home to watch the show. Patty reminds me of Shiela Carter just a little less psycho. Yes she killed a dog but she ain't got anything on Shiela Carter.
Finally yes there has been some turkeys but overrall the show has been fantastic. I will take MAB & Co's Y&R over LML's Y&R ANYDAY!!! It's nice that Gloria Bardwell is being used adequately as a side character instead of eating/destroying the show by being on 5 days a week. My only real major gripe is The Winters family with MAB & Co. but I trust that she has heard the fans because I do believe they read the boards and know we want our Winters' family fixed with Neil and Devon frontburner along with Lily.
Smitty, it was hard to take Nikki seriously, since she was hardly on at all this year. They had her in scenes and then they wouldn't show her on the show again until WEEKS afterwards, that is really bad pacing.
Is it too much to ask for ALL THE MAJOR BEATS in a story to be played out? We should have seen Nikki deliberating for weeks leading up to her wedding to Paul. Instead, she wasn't onscreen.
Kind of like how they played the horrible custody battle for Ana for like two days a months. If they're going to tell a story that way, how do they expect people to get invested in it?
The problem with Patty and Adam is that their motivations haven't been properly explained. When Patty Williams first left town, she left town sane and had gotten over her failed marriage to Jack. Now she's back and she's killing people, causing a little girl brain damage, and killing a dog. What is her MOTIVATION for doing all this? What was the trigger that made her come to this point in her life? Things like that have to be hinted at so the audience can care and understand why Patty and other villains are doing the horrible things they are doing. It's not enough to say, "Oh she's just crazy and utterly nuts!" What kind of explanation or justification is that? At least with Michael and Victor, we knew they both had rough childhoods and had to scrape their way to to the top. What is Patty's excuse? We know the Williams family, we know her childhood wasn't awful. We also know that she and Jack patched things up before she left town with Andrea Evans in the role, those scenes are on YouTube.
As for Adam, we also know he didn't have a rough childhood and had St. Hope for a mother. Why is he set on destroying Ashley? It's not enough to say he's getting back at Victor, because really, Ashley is his primary target. She did nothing to deserve this, she's been nothing but kind to him since the day she met him. I maybe could have understood it better had Ashley been a major bitch to him in the beginning and saw him as a piece of gum attached to the bottom of her shoe. But that was never the case.
How many other villains BURNT IN A FIREPLACE a fetus that was expelled from an innocent woman, and is still leading her on that she's pregnant and crazy? How is something like that redeemable? Again, what is his motivation for making Ashley his primary target?
I'm sorry, but MAB and Company's Y&R is just as plot driven, poorly paced, poorly executed, and plain bad as LML's Y&R. At least LML showed the Winters family, and at least she tried to give us some variety on the show. She failed, but she tried. Which is snothing I honestly cannot say for Maria Arena Bell, Hogan Sheffer, and Scott Hamner.
It's really sad and unfortunate that Y&R is stuck with someone that thinks super fast pacing, not playing all the story beats, constant victimization of women, ignoring half of the canvas, never writing for minority character and giving them crap when she decides they're worthy of an episode a month, super villains with no substance or motivation, overexposed characters that do the same repetitive things no matter the story, flip-flopping quads, dog killing, killing of core characters, neglecting the corporate side of the show which made Y&R distinct for many years, and other crappy/bad storytelling traits constitutes good soap opera and nothing about the show these past few months has been uneven and that no mistake was made on her and her writing team's part.
This sh!t doesn't only infuriate me, it makes me very sad. This woman's ego is killing the very show she claims to love so much.
If Maria Arena Bell thinks this current incarnation of Y&R is good soap opera, I'm hoping she passes whatever she's smoking on to me. The ego and blatant lies from these idiots running these shows into the ground, I tell ya...
DaytimeLuv ok let me address the Adam going after Ashley first. If you remember Jack and Adam forged the diary on Victor. Jack set it all up so that if it was exposed then no dirt would be left on his hands. Which resulted in Adam getting all the blame and being placed in jail for forging the diary. Adam's motivation for gaslighting Ashley is his way of getting back at Victor and Jack. She is the only tie to both Victor and Jack. He is seeking revenage on Victor for getting him put in jail for forging the diary and he is getting Jack back for setting him up for the whole fiasco. Adam knows that Victor and Jack care for Ashley a great deal. They both love her and he knows that buy making her go crazy that it is getting back at both. Adam's motivation for doing this is all in Victor first opening up his arms to him and then once Nick and Victoria were back in Victor's good graces he dumbed Adam to the side. Adam was no longer good enough to be the prodigal son once Nick & Victoria reconciled with Victor. Now I'm not sure how long you have been watching Y&R (I am assuming awhile) but they shouldn't have to spell all this out for you. Well if I'm not mistaken Adam has said some stuff about making Victor and Jack pay for what they did to him. Adam wants Victor's love and to be accepted by him but he knows he won't be able to live up to the standards of the great Victor Newman.
As far as Patty we know she went bat shit crazy the last time she was in town because Jack toyed with her heart and cheated on her with Diane Jenkins. She may have been repaired and healed when she left town, but someone with psychological problems doesn't just become healed and never have to worry about relapsing. I mean Victor goes and finds Patty and knows that she is psychologically weak/unstable and lets her know that she can get back at Jack and make him pay for putting her through all that mess during their romance 25 years ago. One Victor starts turning his back on her and she starts loosing her grip on Jack she begins to slowly loose it. Jack was pretty much doing the same thing to her today that he did with her 25 years ago, except this time it's with Phyliss and Sharon. So she wants to eliminate them out of the picture so she doesn't have anyone else taking Jack's attention from her. Which if you have been watching this has played out very slowly. I could go on but I believe you know the rest of the story.
Here is my thing people can criticize all they want but I just want people to know what they are talking about when doing so. The motivation for Adam and Patty has been explained and the only way you couldn't have understood the motivation is if you don't want the show or are just a new viewer. From the sounds of it you have been watching the show for a while so I am surprised that you don't understand the motivation when it's been clearly laid out.
Is it too much to ask that all the beats be played out? Certainly not. Heck I want all the beats played just like you. I understand you being frustrated with Y&R, I've been there before. I don't think Y&R needs to dumb itself down for people to understand things that are going on. I complained about the Paul/Nikki romance being played out mostly off screen, but when they were on screen the beats where played and showed where Nikki was unsure about getting with Paul because she still loved Victor. I.E. do you remember that she initially didn't accept Paul's proposal?!?!
I do remember when she didn't initially accept his proposal, but after that she and Paul were backburned, and then one day she accepted his proposal, and they were backbured again. Nikki has been very neglected and poorly defined as a character this year.
It's safe to assume that all the villains and psychos that were on soaps had SOME MENTAL ILLNESS. But again, that is not a real motivation or excuse. Something had to trigger it all, and we're not clued into what triggered Patty's, it simply doesn't exist in the writing.
The audience has to be given hints as to why soap characters are doing the bad things they're doing, it's standard soap opera. I'm not getting any teases from the writing on Y&R, it's all just very predictable.
Adam would be understandable if we saw a hint of remorse or a hint of Hope in him. I cannot honestly believe this was the son Hope raised. He has showed no remorse for his actions, which I don't find to be believable. And if they go in that direction now, it's simply too little, too late.
There's no variety on Y&R anymore. All the stories seem to be about women being victimized, and they all seem to go in a dark and treacherous direction, which is fine in moderation, but not when 90% of the show is like that. The corporate stories, the romances, and some fun is desperately missing from this show. People watch soaps for variety and different tones, not just one tone.
DaytimeLuv now let me first start off by saying Nikki Newman is my all time favorite character on Y&R. With that said I truly do think that MAB & Co. wanted to play Paul/Nikki romance more on screen but if you remember Melody Thomas Scott had some pretty intense contract negotiations. I believe this caused the writers to have to rewrite what they initially planned for the Paul/NIkki romance. I don't think the writers could rely on writing long story for MTS's Nikki when they didn't know if she would resign or not. If I had my way Nikki Newman would be front and center all day everyday LOL but this is an ensemble show so I have to understand that there will be times when she isn't going to be front and center.
As far as Adam, I'm not sure you are seeing everything. IF you remember when AShley fell down the steps and miscarried Adam was saying that he didn't want to hurt Ashley. He just wanted to make Victor/Jack pay. He was sorry to hurt her. Also, in his room he had a scene where he talked about his how he doesn't mean to hurt Ashley if I'm not mistaken. I believe it was scene when it was the anniversary of Hope's death. He was in his room talking to a picture of her. Could he be more remorseful? Yes, but he is a scorned son and if you remember when Adam came to town he was a smart cutthroat businessman. Does he have any of Hope's qualities? Maybe not but he sure is displaying that he is the son of Victor Newman. He is just as ruthless as he is.
DaytimeLuv thanks for this good dialogue back and forth. It has been interesting to read your thoughts and we not have to resort to attacking each other. It's nice to have spirited debate about a show we all love/hate at times.
DaytimeLuv, I agree with you 100%. Don't get me wrong. I still enjoy Y&R, but you are absolutely right with the pacing being way off and characters doing things with motivation that isn't really believeable or no real motivation at all. Don't get me started on the Winters.
As for the promo, it looked interesting.
I agree with Coffee_Junkie that Y&R's troubles started when Hogan came on board. The show was pretty good when it was just Maria Bell.
Daytime, you are so right about the pacing and the over the top s/ls on Y&R. Bill Bell have so over the top s/ls to, but he played them right or just moved on when the fans hated it. But MAB thinks that most of the s/ls are good and just giving us crap for the summer because she has some good things in the fall. WTH is that about? YOu tell me that you couldn't come up with good summertime s/ls but dragged out or very paced s/ls in the summer because you got good material written for the fall? The show should of been lighted heart and full of drama in the summer, not the dark and depressing hour of Y&R. It was too much darkest and the fans are tuning out of the show.
I have noticed that a few of you have noted that you think the problems with Y&R started when Hogan Sheffer came on board. Well according to wikipedia Hogan has bee at Y&R since July 2008, but some of you have blamed the stories this summer on Hogan when you said the show started going down hill. So are you all giving MAB credit for everything up until the summer? I've been trying to figure out how people have been deciphering who is writing what.
Smitty, Hogan has a tendency to love doing plot driven stunts, as his DAYS and ATWT proved. Also, many of the horrible stuff on Y&R in recent months have been horrible hallmarks of Sheffer on his past shows.
Deacon's sexual assault on Amber was eerily similar to EJ's sexual assault of Sami under Sheffer's DAYS. Not to mention how women were often victimized and delusional in their love of a alpha male characters on both his DAYS and ATWT.
Patty raping Jack was also eerily similar to Julia's rape of Jack on ATWT, and both were played up for laughs and had little to no emotional consequences.
Not to mention, Hogan's shows have a tendency to be extremely fast paced where important story beats are often skipped over.
There's more I'm forgetting...
Maria Arena Bell can be blamed for the horrible, boring and stupid art storylines. She tried incorporating art into the show before with Sabrina, and that was an utter disaster. Now she's trying it again with this awful Daniel/Amber/Deacon storyline. MAB's background is also in art and fashion, she's an admitted amateur soap writer, and she has no real experience in the genre.
Scott Hamner loves killing off people and murder mysteries. He did this often during his Head Writing stint at PC, and during his time as LML's Co-HW at Y&R. If MAB wanted to rid Y&R of all of LML's influences, then why did she keep LML's Co-Head Writer as her own? It doesn't make much sense. I wouldn't surprised if killing off Brad, and now Colleen was his idea.
DaytimeLuv yeah I have heard that many people have compared Hogan's tenures on other shows with Y&R. I watch ATWT during Hogan's tenure but I didn't watch Days during his tenure so I can see some of the comparisions for ATWT but I can't speak on anything to do with Days.
I actually really liked ATWT during Hogan Sheffer's reign. It was a very enjoyable show. I know people where upset over the whole Deacon thing but as it was pointed out Amber did the same thing to Cane when she first came on the show. Even though I still don't understand how people have made what Deacon did as rape. I still don't buy that and I think we are doing really stretching the use of rape or sexual assualt title when referring to Amber/Deacon. Amber had a choice whether or not to sleep with Deacon. From my understanding of what happened on Days didn't EJ hold a gun to Sami's head and make her sleep with him? I can't really remember what happened with Julia and Jack but I think she drugged him.
Now the whole art thing with Sabrina was started by LML. MAB cleaned that mess up and got rid of Sabrina. I am not sure if MAB would be considered an amateur when it comes to soaps I believe in a couple interviews she has stated that she worked on Y&R and B&B in the past for her late father in law Bill Bell.
In certain states, the interpretation of sexual assault is being coerced into doing a sexual act that you didn't want to do. Amber clearly didn't like Deacon and she clearly didn't want to have sex with him. In her warped brain, she believed that this was the only way to save Daniel, the person she's in love with. She believed that there was never going to be any alternative for her. And the way the scene was done, with Deacon yelling at her, demanding she get on the bed, and demanding she put on a tacky piece of lingerie, it made it look like he sure was forcing this or coercing her into it. It was an utterly repulsive scene.
Also, much like Julia drugged Jack and took sexual advantage of him, Patty did the same thing to Jack.
Smitty, Sabrina was CREATED by MAB. If you check Wikipedia, IMDB, or the SON archives, LML's final episode at Y&R aired just the day before Christmas 2007. The next day/week, MAB took over the Head Writing duties. Sabrina was first introduced on February 28, 2008, well over two months into Maria Arena Bell's Head Writing tenure, and this was during the Writer's Strike, where Maria Arena Bell first came to power.
Maria Arena Bell tried to make Sabrina work on this show for months, and it failed, especially the rushed relationship/marriage to Victor. It wasn't until Hogan Sheffer joined and Scott Hamner was re-promoted to Co-HW was Sabrina killed off along with David Chow.
Maria Arena Bell wrote a few scripts for B&B in the late 80's and left daytime for about 20 years. Writing dialogue, which means scriptwriting, is totally different from Head Writing. She's never had the experience of Head Writing and learning the basics traits of plotting and Head Writing. She also left daytime for almost two decades, so obviously her heart and wasn't into soap writing for most of her professional life and she missed out on a lot of fundamental training and experience.
Hey daytimeluv, I thought I was the only one who felt that Amber was raped by Deacon! You are TOTALLY RIGHT about the coercion clause in sexual assault laws! I also agree with you about the Winters and the Daniel/Amber/Deacon art mess. Other than that though I'm pretty happy with the show and agree with Smitty. Well, the chipmunk story has been kinda sucky
too. I have certainly enjoyed reading your banter back and forth!
DaytimeLuv I know you all are interpreting the law but this is a soap opera. I mean come on. If Deacon is so bad for a supposed sexual assualt them half of Genoa City would be in jail for the same exact thing. I think too much of a big deal is being made about the whole Deacon/Amber situation and the Jack/Patty thing. I mean it's a soap opera and this kind of thing has been happening on soaps FOREVER!!! From your recollection of the Deacon/Amber scenes you seem to have watched a different scene than myself, but it's all good we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
According to wikipedia MAB was a script writer for B&B from 89-92 and a Script Writer as well for Y&R from 90-92. I mean this counts for more than a little bit of experience. The one thing MAB has done is proven that she respects the history of the show. She has brought back Nina, Olivia, Philip 3rd, Chance, Traci, Billy Abbot, made Chloe Esther's daughter, and brought back Patty Williams. Were some of the returns not as good as others. Yes but she is shown that she has paid a lot of attention to the history of Y&R and she has put a fresh spin on lots of it.
Many times we complain on the boards because the same headwriters and producers are being switched around from show to show. I think it is good that MAB had spent some time away from the soap business. She rejuvenated Y&R with her presence on the show. Most of the cast have come out in interviews and have said that it feels like old school Y&R again. She knows what she is doing and I'm not going to throw her under the bus because of a couple turkeys of storylines. She has a vision for Y&R and I like it.
Smitty, I think soaps have enormous power to educate their viewers about important socially relevant topics like rape and sexual assault laws. Soaps used to be very good with that kind of thing. I hate to see stuff like that glossed over, which happens a lot in today's soaps.
Yes, but many of the same actors also praised Lynn Marie Latham for her storytelling in interviews. I think most of them are just happy to be employed and don't really care about the storytelling functions, they really want to keep their jobs in this economy. I can't say I blame them. Though, Kristoff St. John was recently quite outspoken for his dislike of Maria Arena Bell and Hogan Sheffer's writing. That has to count for something and I hope he doesn't lose his job over doing that.
MAB admitted that her love was in fashion and the non-profit sector. She came back to Y&R to help her family's show out during the Writer's Strike, and despite her lack of experience and Head Writing training, she remains there.
I don't know if I can say MAB really pays attention to history and puts her spin on it. I mean, she rewrote history so that Phillip III could come back alive. We saw him DIE on screen. She also rewrote history to keep her pet Tyra on the show. If Devon was so close to Tyra growing up, how come he didn't stay with her and was instead passed around the foster care system? He never even mentioned her until she popped up one day. Patty is also a COMPLETELY different character than the one we say in the 80's. Also, I know for a fact that Patty left town sane and she wasn't a lunatic. The Billy that Billy Miller is playing is very different from the character I knew with David Tom in the role. I know the Billy character is older now, but I can't say there's a big trace of the old character I loved. Billy is much more selfish than he's ever been.
I don't think MAB has rejuvenated the show. If anything, I think the show is quite stagnant, cliched, plot-driven, and outrageous for all the wrong reasons at the moment. I've felt it's been like this for at least the past 6 months. But that's just me.
All I know is, this show doesn't feel even close to the Y&R I fell in love with many years ago and the one that Bill Bell, Kay Alden, and Jack Smith wrote.
I think MAB's Y&R is sort of like a lighter version of LML's Y&R that just uses some history references, which makes for a pretty hollow how.
If she can find a better Co-HW than Sheffer or Hamner, and perhaps a better Co-EP than Rauch, I think the show has potential to be better. If she cannot learn from her storytelling mistakes, which she seems to think she hasn't made any according to her interview with Nelson, then she needs to go and perhaps to get her ego in check.
Smitty, Hogan's writing reeks of steaming CRAP. Like the "Silver Chipmunk" stuff. His contributions to the show are fairly obvious, and nauseating.
DaytimeLuv Now I agree with you in regards to Kristoff St. John. I listened to his interviewed and I agreed with a lot of what he said. I used to praise Y&R to folks because in my opinion they stood above other soaps when it came to showcasing minorities. Growing up I can't really remember a time when Y&R was featuring African-Americas, at a time Asians, and at a times Latinos characters. It was nice to see a show with diversity. I know EVERYONE probably thinks I am MAB's BIGGEST fan but I have a MAJOR bone to pick with her in regards to the Winters family. It's a shame what they have done to the family. I never thought I would see the day that Lily Winters was the only Winters being featured on the show. Everyone else is there just to support Lily. I hate what they have done to Devon, Neil, and Olivia. Neil and Olivia should still be driving story. IMO I agree with many that have said Neil should be running his own corporation. It would have been nice to see him focus on his career after the death of Dru and he buys a major black cosmetics company and then team up with Jabot Cosmetics to take on Newman Enterprises. I mean there is so much potential for drama with Neil. As far as Devon when he was first brought on the show he interacted with many. Now you barely see a scene where he isn't interacting with only Lily, Neil, or Tyra. He should be mixing it up with Chloe, Colleen, Billy, Amber, Daniel and all them. Hell he even has ties to Mac because she worked at the shelter when he was a runaway. I mean there is so much potential for Devon and in fact Bryton is a VERY GOOD actor. As far as Olivia I mean I know she is on recurring so I can understand her not driving story but I mean she is pretty much the matriarch of the Winters family. She needs to be more involved in the Lily Cancer storyline. It's a shame that pretty much Cane is the only person out of Lily's family that is being shown helping her through this cancer ordeal. I don't like it and it has turned me off to the cancer storyline. Initially I was really feeling it but the more and more I see it it's just sad. I absolutely hate the state that they have the Winters family in. It sucks and at times makes me want to turn this show off. They were one of the main reasons why I watched this show growing up and i hate to see them become nonexistent. To me Y&R should be about the Abbots, Newman, Chancellor and Winters families. Those are the four families that I want to see focused on.
I love what MAB has done with the character of Billy. Actually if you remember the last incarnation of Billy, the one they had during John's death scenes and he was on for a couple months after that, they then started showing Billy as a rebellous young adult. He gambled a lot and if I'm not mistaken Jack helped him with his gambling debts before Jill, Jack, and Ashley agreed that he needed to be sent off to Hong Kong to work over there to get himself together. This current Billy Abbott is a breathe of fresh air on this show. He is the future of Y&R. He steals every scene that he is in. Heck he has even made me like Clementine Ford's Mackenzie. The Abbott and Newman families should be gearing up the next generations to continue the families feud. It has gotten old seeing Jack vs. Victor. It's been nice seeing Colleen vs. Victoria, Billy vs. Victor, Billy vs. the Newmans. I haven't heard one person say anything bad about Billy Abbott since his return. He is a welcome addition to this show. I understand why the character of Billy Abbott turned out the way he was and if I remember correctly David Tom's Billy was a good too shoes either. But I do admit that Billy Miller's Billy is very different than DT's Billy.
I can't really speak on Patty how she was before. I can only rely on what I read because I wasn't alive when she was on the show the first time. LOL, but I do understand how she has broken down to where she is now.
As far as MAB rewriting the Philip storyline. I believe that was mainly done because of the ridiculous rewrite down by LML which made Cane be the "real" Philip Chancellor. She had to fix and clean up that mess because that was unbelieveable. It didn't make sense and LML did a lot of lazy writing. She left lots of plot holes and thanks to her leaving the plot hole of Cane calling Langley and saying he was in MAB saw away to undo that ridiculous rewrite. IMO that story was done beautifully until it got to the reveal of Philip to everyone. Well actually just Thom Bierdz acting was subpar. Everyone else was on fire.
As far as folks blaming Hogan for things here's my thing. I just can't justify blaming one headwriter when there are THREE on the show. I think they all should be held responsible for everything. The good and the bad stuff. I didn't like the whole chipmunk talking stuff, but I think all THREE headwriters are responsible not just one.
Smitty, there were other ways of revealing Cane was a fraud that were less damaging and created less plot holes than resurrecting a character from the dead that we SAW die right in front our eyes and that we saw was buried. Cane could have easily been a fraud that preyed upon the Chancellor family, WITHOUT bringing Phillip III back from the dead. With doing that, they rewrote a crucial part of Y&R's history and one of the show's most defining moments. Phillip's death drove story for YEARS with Jill, Katherine, and Nina. Now, all of that has been rewritten and it feels false. Bill Bell did once say he regretted killing Phillip III, but for story purposes it worked out very well and he never wanted to bring the character back alive. I think he would be ashamed with how the story was handled.
I think all three HW's should be blamed equally for the current condition of the show. I agree with you there. They're all contributing to a piece of the pie.
Huh?? I'm suprised over the amount of 'displeasure' over this storyline?? I actually LOVE what's been going on in Genoa City this summer (even more so now that Ty-Ty and her Canary have flown the coop)
Wasn't the 'bulletin' a few weeks back that T.S. was leaving the show as her other jobs - I think she's filming a movie-was causing problems with the Y&R gig? Short of getting Colleen 2.0 back (Adrienne Leon), this character is DEF expendable. This is the most air time Colleen has had in months!!
As for this clip - Mama, Mia - - Patty is nuts. SHOOT VICTOR!! SHOOT VICTOR!! PUHHLEESE SHOOT HIM IN THE SPOT THAT FINALLY MAKES IT DOWN RIGHT IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIS SPERM TO EVER, EVER, EVER 'HIT HOME PLATE'!! FOR ALL THAT GOOD & RIGHT IN THIS WORLD, PLEASE!!
The spoiler I read was that yes, Coll drowns just like her dad did and her heart goes to that Near Corpse himself, the Moustache. (That should finally send Ash over the edge)...
For the record, Peter Bergman looks SMOKIN in this promo. I love me some Jack (and Billy!) Abbott!!!
Awwww, People Mag is reporting Michelle Stafford is expecting a little BAMBINA via Surrogate in December....Love her!