HomeTVAll My ChildrenDC #457: Farewell Guiding Light Daytime Confidential September 21, 2009 All My Children, Days of Our Lives, General Hospital, One Life to Live, Podcast, The Bold and the Beautiful, The Young and The Restless 41 Comments On today’s special episode of Daytime Confidential Luke, Jamey, Mike, Jillian, Melodie and J Bernard discuss Guiding Light’s final episodes, including: The final weddings, reunions and departures. The death of Alan Spaulding and its impact on the Spaulding family and Springfield. Olivia and Natalia are finally together, but didn’t get to kiss, even with a one-year jump into the future. Josh and Reva rode into the sunset and Guiding Light’s last word was "always." The DC gang discusses what Guiding Light’s passing means for the seven remaining soaps and what, if anything, can be done to save them from the same fate. DC readers and listeners call in with their thoughts on Guiding Light’s final week. All this and much more on today’s special episode of Daytime Confidential. Help support and improve the Daytime Confidential podcast: Take a few minutes to fill out the two Daytime Confidential listener surveys: Listener Survey A l Be sure to leave your comments on all the latest goings on in the world of soaps by calling the Daytime Confidential comment line by calling 917-677-9757. Listen to Daytime Confidential by clicking on the Daytime Confidential Player at the bottom of this post or Download us for FREE via iTunes. Vote for us on Podcast Alley. Add us as a Friend on MySpace and Facebook. 41 Responses Winnie September 21, 2009 I never watched “The Guiding Light” when it was on, but I’m one of those individuals that wanted to see it off, as it’s a very important, history-making franchise that I wanted to pay my respects to. (On a side note, I also liked the Grant Aleksander/Phillip Spaulding teasers from months ago…) Having seen commercials and otherwise knowing of Kim Zimmer (and appreciating her candor as well as the conviction w/ which she tackles roles) I enjoyed what I saw, especially the Reva/Josh parts. There was obviously a lot thrown in to wrap things up, and not knowing these characters for longer than approximately 42 minutes, I was surprised that the last part made me cry (and I’m not “a crier”…). I also loved the run-through featuring the logo/introduction through the years (but this is from s/o who was intrigued by B&B in 2000 b/c their theme song/intro was “so 80s”, and stayed for the cheese factor, the storylines, Hunter Tylo’s beauty, Susan Flannery’s acting, Ronn Moss’ jawline… er, moving on…) – that was nice to see/hear. Goodbye, GL! Log in to Reply Joan76 September 21, 2009 Just wondering what is everyone going to watch at 2:00 now that GL is gone? I just don’t know if I can get into another soap General Hospital is on that time; but I just can’t get into another soap don’t know what’s going on. There is also Who Wants to be a Millionare and Deal or no Deal; I’m not a gameshow person, I will not watch CBS at 2:00PM had DVR set to come on a 2 to was hard to remove that. I may just do go shooping and run errands after ATWT, have a lot of time for that now. Log in to Reply siomonstuart2003 September 21, 2009 I do agree that the show was a little too sugary sweet, but on the other hand, the other soaps are so dark that it was good to see some happiness finally on a soap that didn’t want to make you slit your wrist, LOL. I feel that Otalia should of made out in front of everyone and some actors should of been back like Harley(BE), Nick(VI), Ross(JVD, Alan-Michael(RH) and others. But this is P&G, they just want to get out of the soap business and move on. Again, never let Ellen Wheeler anywhere near a soap again. Log in to Reply gldaysoltlgh September 21, 2009 I am so glad this group has the nerve to call BS. I was so excited for the last week of GL, then I watch it and honestly by Friday I was glad this was the end. Everything was rushed even the couples who ended up together. Note to EW the fans do NOT want to watch their characters folding laundry, cooking or paying bills. Log in to Reply DebbieDowner September 21, 2009 You know, this is time I’ve ever listened to the podcast and I have to say I am pleasantly surprised. It is nothing like i expected. You guys and gals are awesome! Keep up the good work! I will be sure to tune in from now on. Log in to Reply glgirl September 21, 2009 gl was the closiest soap to real life on t v annd was doing good maybe thats why they pulled it there pockets were deap and full so didnt need anymore money and they REALY dont care about the viwers watching it Log in to Reply Smitty September 21, 2009 Thank you all for this podcast. It was nice to hear you all’s thoughts. I have said before that I quit watching GL around 2004. I tuned in this past week to see the final episodes. Overrall I thought it was ok. I enjoyed seeing some of the old faves that I grew up on (Fletcher, Vanessa, Bridget, Dylan) but I was left scratching my head on many things. Where were the rest of the Spaulding Family? No mention of them when Alan died. Where were Blake’s children? The twin boys and the daughter Clarissa. I mean there was no mention of them. Where was Rick and Mel’s daughter Leah? I think there was a lot of missed opportunities. Oh well it’s all over now but like many the show died for me years ago. Log in to Reply kgbmc September 21, 2009 I loved this podcast. GL fans might want to listen. It allowed me to get angry about the end of GL, especially about how many months were wasted by the writers of GL after the cancellation notice. Don’t get me wrong, the ending moved me, especially Philip’s return and Alan’s death, Sarah’s return to Lizzie, and even Josh and Reva’s lighthouse scene. However, I would loved to have seen more of Mallet and Dinah, one last smile from Vanessa, where Fletcher and Alex went and so many others. What do I do now? Are any of you moving to another soap? Which one would you recommend? OLTL or Another World? Log in to Reply kgbmc September 21, 2009 I mean ATWT, not Another World. Log in to Reply jase September 21, 2009 Thanks for putting that finale on blast, guys. I feel very vindicated. Log in to Reply Luke Kerr September 21, 2009 @ kgbmc…Without question watch OLTL…it is the best soap on daytime. Y&R is good, but it doesn’t come close. If you watch only one soap watch OLTL. Log in to Reply J Bernard Jones September 21, 2009 Um, Jase, everybody didn’t put the finale "on blast." If you actually listened, it received mixed reviews per person. Just sayin’… Log in to Reply Smitty September 21, 2009 KGBMC I just began watching OLTL about 4 weeks ago. I truly enjoy the show. It’s great. I watched OLTL briefly during the summer of 04 or 05. I remembered some of the characters but there are a lot of new faces on the show. I know the DC game says its the best but I am biased to Y&R. That in my opinion is the best soap on the air with OLTL coming in second. I only watch Y&R, OLTL, and B&B so I only view a small amount of soaps. I have found my reintroduction to OLTL going well. I like a couple of the stories but beware there are some turkeys on the show. I would recommend checking OLTL out over ATWT. Log in to Reply jase September 21, 2009 Oh, I listened to the podcast. I was just nodding in agreement with most of it. I’ve made no secret of my appreciation for a couple things, like the Spaulding stuff, but it’s nice to know I’m not crazy for feeling as I do about the final week and much of the final months – it was lazy, slapdash and I felt showed the viewers and what they wanted very little respect, simply going through the motions of satisfying fans (as someone on the podcast said, it was like a checklist). As many of us have said, they had five months – what were they doing? The point is, I think we can all agree it was a mixed bag at best and I appreciated the diverse viewpoints. Log in to Reply elvara September 21, 2009 Great podcast guys!! Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin September 21, 2009 Joan76 I hope you give GH a shot. The show is really good right now. The show is featuring a lot of romance right now with the Spixie Wedding coming up (Scrubs are also in the wedding party) the reunion of Jason and Sam, the start up of Lulu and Dante, and the birth of the Carly/Jax daughter. We also have a lot of plot payoffs right now including the fallout of the Zacharra/Corinthos war, the Michael coma story and the roles Jax and Claudia played, and the Teen dating abuse storyline. The dialog has been better than its been in years and the show just went HD so everything and everyone looks especially wonderul. Plus TPTB are truly committed to GH so I suspect that for ABCD it will be the last soap standing. Log in to Reply Katiebug9624 September 21, 2009 I recommend OLTL its very well written and uses its vets well. I’m going to watch Days when CC debuts and I have heard ATWT is getting better (don’t watch so I can’t really tell you my opinion) for me GH is like an abusive relationship yet I continue to tune in, if your into mob stuff thats the show for you. Log in to Reply sodsince16 September 21, 2009 Like everyone else I was left with questions about the logic of the last episode. HOWEVER, Tina Sloan made the week for me. When she said that she was always “Beth’s Mom” and never thought that she would find love, I cried my eyes out. It was an excellent example of really ending a character, there had been an arc about her and her abusive husband, how she turned a blind eye to his abuse of Beth, and how that effected her decision of sexualizing her friendship with Ed, which lead to Maureen’s death etc etc, and in the final week all of those pieces were put together and it finalized the arc. ON THE OTHER HAND, Josh and Reva’s story ended for me after their 3rd marriage 10 years ago when everyone gathered and Dylan came back to sing them a song. If only they hadn’t had their honeymoon on St. Cristabal that story could have ended there and been OK by me. Log in to Reply ladyofthelake September 21, 2009 Josh and Reva was the best way to end the show, I was over the moon with that, personaly. I think soaps need to advertise in primetime like they used to, the networks need to do that, but they won’t. Remember back in the day when Days and GH, even OLTL use to air primetime movies, or when abc use to have these movie like promos for their shows that use to air on primetime and as trailers in movie theaters. ABC had great promos with Sonny/Brenda with the rope, Jason/Robin or even when Vanessa Marcil came back, they had some great promos with her and Skye. I watched some of those promos at the movie theaters, my favorite was the Jason/Liz/Zander pool playing promo. (I was a Liz/Zander fan.) I remember when primetime shows would use daytime as a selling point. Alias use to run their promos with the tag line, a triangle just as hot as Sonny/Brenda/Jax on GH. Promoting the shows on radio, magazines, comercials is all but dead. Great primetime shows that fail because nobody watches them is because they don’t advertise them at all. Daytime needs to advertise more, outside of the the comercials inbetween other soaps on there network. Log in to Reply siomonstuart2003 September 22, 2009 Or promote them online. You know that it is probably cheap and more people are watching online and DC and other soaps or mainstream sites like Perez Hilton or star.com or other popular sites. Log in to Reply ATLn30318 September 22, 2009 I was once a fan of Guiding Light oh so many many many years ago. I started watching sometime in the 1970s (just a tyke I was) when the Bauer family was front and center with Charita Bauer (as Bert Bauer) with her two sons, Mart Hulswit (Ed Bauer) and Don Stewart (Mike Bauer), Roger Thorpe and Rita; and I last watch when Joan Collins stepped into the role of Alexandra Spaulding and prior to then it was when Michael Zaslow’s character Roger Thorpe was last on the canvas. I made a point of watching GL during the finale week and I have to say it was just excruciating to watch, actually forcing my eyes and attention on this train wreck of a show. I’m just going to say it was horrible (am sorry all you ardent GL fans). But you know we’ve lost soaps before the last one being Passions and prior cancellations have been the great Santa Barbara, Another World, Generations, Search For Tomorrow, The Edge of Knight and the list goes on. Did we lament the loss of those soaps in the same way as GL? Granted GL has been around for some 72 years and was the granddaddy of this genre – so that’s saying a lot – but still I wasn’t and am not all that emotional about the loss. Log in to Reply CGat September 22, 2009 This podcast is very disappointing. Can’t we just enjoy this show and let it go out in piece instead of bitching about it, and finding every little pissy-anny thing wrong with it for the 156453156th time in 2 years? I mean, really. This is disappointing. This industry is suffering, and the oldest dram on tv just went out, and all that gets done is bitching and finger pointing. Ugh. Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens September 22, 2009 CGat, now you knew you weren’t going to log in here and find us singing around a campfire. I don’t think pointing out that the only popular couple Ellen Wheeler managed to manufacture in the last year weren’t even allowed the same courtesy that couples who got together last week (Mel and Cyrus, Blake and Frank) were afforded is us "pissy-annying it". Nor do I believe discussing the true merits of GL’s paint-by-numbers ending was in any way a disservice to this show’s legacy. If anything, the majority of us felt a show with such a legacy deserved much better than a sloppy ending style, generally utilized by sitcoms who were cancelled without any notice. I am sorry, Ellen had five months to wrap this show up and this is what we got? No one even knows what happened to Jeffrey and Edmund! Not that I care about either character mind you, but some do. You’re right, the industry is dying, because of things like what transpired at Guiding Light, and that’s what we do here, call the indistry on their bull. We praise the industry, sometimes to the point of gushing, when they get it right, but when they get it wrong. Horribly, show killingly, wrong. We yell it to the rooftops. Ain’t nuthin’ changed just because Ellen finally killed the show. Log in to Reply dmfj September 22, 2009 There were people missing from the finale, but it had a good feeling to it. I enjoyed it more than the Another World final episode. I had only watched AW the last four years and have watched GL a lot of its last 14 years. That might make it seem better in some ways. Log in to Reply Romina Mardian September 22, 2009 I love your podcasts and I love listening to them. In this podcast, I wish you had talked more about what happened to Jeffrey. It did not make any sense for the show to drop like that and not to give a proper closure to the couple – this would have made Jeva reunion more magical. I wish you can discuss about it a bit in your future CBS podcast. Log in to Reply CGat September 22, 2009 Yes I know about Ellen Wheeler, god forbid, I sing the same song you do about her. I just wanted to listen to the podcast and hear some positive points and some good memories about the finale, which to me was seemingly bittersweet and enjoyable, instead of it being picked apart and shot down. Maybe I love Guiding Light so much and am so connected to it that I didn’t see the bad in the finale, but i don’t know. I guess I feel like one of my dearest friends has passed on, and someone’s spitting on their grave in a sense, lol. But oh well. We can’t all get what we want. I mean, people in hell want ice water. I am just glad for Mel and J. Bernard for all their wonderful wisdom and love for GL. Thank you guys for making saying goodbye a little less painful. For the record, I was very pleased with finale week, and I thought it was nice to see a happy and lively Springfield for once in the reign of that biatch that killed GL. Ahh I really wish there was another soap that was as great as GL. Too bad there just isn’t any that compare. Log in to Reply Jillian Bowe September 22, 2009 Cgat if you liked the ending that’s fine.. That’s YOUR OPINION and your right. I can’t take that away from you or get mad at that. Again when asked, I gave MY TAKE on things… Sorry if you didn’t like it, I’m not one to lie about things when I’m asked what my thoughts are on something. Log in to Reply CGat September 22, 2009 I mean I wasn’t attacking anyone or whining about anything. sorry if it came off that way. I was just stating MY OPINION. I wasn’t making a big scene about anything, just saying how I felt, okay? Log in to Reply siomonstuart2003 September 22, 2009 Jillian, you are right, they need to be put on blast for the shoddy treatment of the actors and the mismanger of the Otalia s/l. The show had five months to wrap everything up and they didn’t and EW needs to be put on blast for the crapping ending and not tying in up loose ends. Log in to Reply siomonstuart2003 September 22, 2009 I think that soaps have to get back to basics and do some new things like the Kish/Otalia s/l and something fresh to spice up the show with character driven s/ls. Log in to Reply Jillian Bowe September 22, 2009 Cgat I’m merely responding to what you’ve said about the podcast. You didn’t like it and were upset we didn’t say more positive things about GL’s ending. That’s all good, some of us just didn’t share your view….. Simon, I agree soaps should get back to the basics, that is what captivatred audiences before and can still do so.. Log in to Reply amcfan09 September 22, 2009 I agree with everyone who had mixed feelings. A few things were done well (rushed and tacked-on as it was, the final image of Josh, Reva, the truck, and the lighthouse was a good one), but it all felt very slapdash. If they hadn’t spent the entire summer having most of the characters stuck in the same conversation over and over again, I might have been able to forgive that, but it seems like very little happened between May and September, and then suddenly everyone started doing speed. My biggest problem was that so many of the characters were verging on unrecognizable. There were so many interesting, well-drawn personalities among all the vets, and by the end many of them seemed interchangeable. Plus, the fact that so much time in the last couple days was spent on the 196th wedding of Remy and Christina and the travails of Daisy instead of people like Blake, Olivia, and the various returning characters like Holly struck me as very wasteful. I agree with Luke that the scene with Reva and Olivia stuck out (although the idea of them together makes me want to head for the hills). Those 30 seconds were more impactful than 30 hours of the newbie filler would have been, and that’s all down to Zimmer and Chappell. Log in to Reply siomonstuart2003 September 22, 2009 I think that everyone is in agreement that Ellen Wheeler should never step foot on a soap again because she would ruined it in five years. Log in to Reply Daniella1030 September 22, 2009 I used to live in South Africa and every major network had a “soapie.” They aired every night and do you know who watched? EVERYONE! That would be great to have something like that in the US. These “soapies” had good actors, good stories that reflected South African social issues but they were entertaining. Since they were in primetime they were racier and sexier, without forgetting that they are a soap opera. On one show there was a character named Barker Haines who made Victor Newman look like a pussycat! Here are some promos for “ISIDINGO” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuwxLudY3Hc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdDsL9wWgj0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WCmmAZO2KM&feature=related GENERATIONS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc3O_jD63z8&feature=related GENERATIONS/ ISIDINGO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOCw4xJaflg&feature=related If you could would you watch these? Log in to Reply Daniella1030 September 22, 2009 One more from Generations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjm4aN3t3GI&feature=channel Log in to Reply josser September 22, 2009 Why do David Kreizman and Jill Lorie Hurst get away with their hand in GL’s fate? Both were the head writers for the show the last few years. Right? Log in to Reply Dariclone September 22, 2009 Thank you for the podcast guys. It may be depressing to hear, but it’s important to know about what’s going on currently in the world of soaps, and how they might end up in the future. J. Bernard, thanks for continuing to bring up Edge Of Night! I’ve heard so much about how great it was from my parents and I love hearing anything else I can! Log in to Reply Jorpa September 23, 2009 I have my complaints. Pretty much the same as everyone else’s on the podcast. And I have the same praises. But after everything is said and done, I got what I wanted… “Always” All my couples are together and in my perfect soap world, everybody will be ok. I’m glad the show is over. I can mourn and get on with my life. I’m so tired of crying everyday. I cried a different cry on Friday. I don’t want to do that again. I can’t handle it. But I can’t let go just yet. I’m going to Atlanta for the So Long Sprinfield event in November. I’ll say my final goodbyes to my best friends then. I’ll be a mess… Thank you DC for this podcast. I agree with everything everyone said. Sorry I didn’t call in. You wouldn’t have understood a thing I said anyway from all the crying I’ve done. It took this long to have the nerve to listen to the podcast anyway. Log in to Reply DaytimeFan0001 September 28, 2009 Thank you for posting my comment at the end! I kept putting off listening because I knew it was the final GL thing I had to do. It was sad that it was the final GL feature but I enjoyed all that you had to say about the industry. I agree so much with what you are saying, including big big changes, from the ground up. I don’t advocate for all the soaps to be cancelled and then pick a new production model, but I do agree with cutting them down to a half hour. It is better than no show at all, especially if the writing is on the wall, if it can buy lifetime viewers a few more years, then go for it. I am also hoping and praying that someday sooner rather than later there will be a cable break through to get these soaps a niche. The first step is axing SoapNet and getting that off the air, because that is a waste of time, and it’s just there “proving” that there isn’t an audience for a medium like that when there really is, if only given a chance. Thanks so much for this farewell podcast, I am counting on you Mel to keep GL alive in the future podcasts, a mention here or there just so I know that the show hasn’t been forgotten. And Jamey, I enjoy everything you say about Ellen Wheeler, I feel like your my voice, so keep that up! lol Good luck ATWT…you can have Kriezman! Log in to Reply At50 September 30, 2009 I never watchd GL that much but I am familiar with the characters and stories and tuned in the last few weeks. Of course this is just the humble opinion of someone who was not a regular longtime viewer but as flawed as it was I wouldn’t mind seeing a similar kind of ending when my soap AMC goes off the air. It wasn’t original but I think most fans prefer happy and satisfying to originality. Log in to Reply Jillian Bowe September 22, 2009 Cgat, the questions posed to us was, what WE not fans DC PODCAST CO-HOSTS thought of the show. You’ve been around here long enough to know we’re not going to sugar coat anything just because the industry’s dying. We always speak the truth on things even if it costs backlash, EW did kill the show off and I’m not about to let that go because GL’s off the air and some fans don’t like it. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.