DC #497: Daytime Confidential Celebrates 500th Episode With Ron Carlivati


In honor of the Daytime Confidential podcast’s 500th episode (okay, this is actually 497 but who’s counting?), Luke and Jamey chat with One Live to Live head writer extraordinaire, Ron Carlivati. In his first podcast interview, the George Washington University graduate, who left a career in law to pursue his dreams of writing for his favorite soap opera, shares with Luke and Jamey how his then-employer, former attorney David Baldacci selling his first novel, Absolute Power, inspired Carlivati to move to New York and follow his true passion.

Carlivati talks in depth about what it was like to go from being Dorian (Robin Strasser) and Viki’s (Erika Slezak) biggest fan, to creating their storylines day in and day out. He shares what it meant to him to see the first confrontation he ever penned for the legendary duo air on television.

Carlivati also reveals why it was so important for him to restore Llanview’s rich history and how he managed to return the soap opera to the diverse landscape creator Agnes Nixon first envisioned over four decades ago.

The talented scribe also explains in great deal why he felt the payoff of having Todd Manning (Trevor St. John) romance his amnesiac, one-time rape victim Marty Saybrooke (Susan Haskell) made the controversial story worth it in the end. He also shared how it made him feel to see Haskell win her second Emmy earlier this year for the storyline’s climax, and explains why he feels two smart, flawed women like Tea Delgado (Florencia Lozano) and Blair Cramer (Kassie DePaiva) are drawn to Todd.

Carlivati also talks about his love for great sitcoms growing up and how that influences his storytelling. He then provides Daytime Confidential listeners with a sneak peek of what’s next for his soap’s top couples like Bo and Nora, Rex and Gigi and of course Kish. Will daytime’s most realistically-drawn gay couple get a real love scene? You’ll have to listen to this episode to find out. It’s an interview you don’t wanna miss!

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43 Responses

  1. Profile photo of inspiron
    inspiron

    Preserving its rich history?! Huh? With a 15 year-old kid of Tea and Todd’s?
    Puleeze! Ron I love you but the writing for Todd sucks UNLESS your plan is to have him be an imposter. That is the story I want to see you write!

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    Anthony D. Langford

    Dani isn’t the first SORASed kid and she won’t be the last.  I don’t have a problem with it (possibly because I’ve only been watching the show since the summer) and I think the actress who plays Dani is fantastic.  And I love her and Matthew together.  But well, I get why it bothers folks.

    It was a great interview.  I’m a big fan of Ron’s and I love how he got started.  And I’m looking forward to what’s to come on this show.  Let’s just get those ratings up!

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    Outspoken

    CONGRATS on the 500th DC_Podcast!

    It was G R E A T! 

    Thank you so much for putting TheMan online! It was an honor to hear him speaking so candidly.. loved his surprised reaction to Rex and Gigi being one of the worst couple of the year.. had to laugh!

    Mr. J… you need to stop! You are so funny!

    RonC  is amazing and has held me in TRAP since his first stories were being written about or viewable on the international air— it was a very nice surprize.

    Continuing to support my Favorites! DC & RonC… Have a grand holiday season and keep up the good work!

    Long live the Carlivati-Crusade! Bring it on!!!!

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    dkp

    Loved the interview and love Ron C. Very interesting to hear how he got started writing for soaps. I don’t like all of his stories, but overall I love his writing and OLTL. So refreshing to hear a writer say they were a fan of the show growing up and watched soap operas and still feel passionate about them. Sometimes I feel writers and exec producers either aren’t really soap fans or lost their passion sometime over the years. Ron clearly hasn’t.

    Liked the fact is sounds like he actually watches the show. I think it’s very important. Sometimes, on other soaps, you’d swear the HW and EP must not be watching or they’d realize how crappy things are.

    Also great to hear Ron talk about how he wanted to write Kish like he does any other couple and give them a pay off (sex scene) like a straight couple would and not have it feel like it’s just lipserve like you do with some other soaps. You clearly see evidence on the sceen. Heck, Kish is probably among best writen romance stories on the show this year.

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    Nat Guy

    Thank you Luke and Jamey for a wonderful interview.  You can tell that Ron is a fan of the genre and really cares about OLTL.  I love his writing and how enjoyable he makes the show.     

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    vicious

    [quote=Anthony D. Langford]Dani isn’t the first SORASed kid and she won’t be the last.  I don’t have a problem with it (possibly because I’ve only been watching the show since the summer) 
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    This sorasing changes Todd’s history though. Todd & Tea’s relationship was based largely on Todd NOT being sexual. It was why Tea constantly left him. He couldn’t give her what she wanted, is what we were constantly told. So now we’re supposed to believe 75% of their scenes never existed? Then we have the Island story where Dani was supposed to be conceived. That Island had Todd, Tea & Ross on it ONLY because Todd wanted Ross to kidnap BOTH Starr & Jack. They not only sorased a kid who should only be 6, but they de-sorased Jack. 

    Other than ruining Todd’s history, (don’t even get me started on how Todd would never sleep with Marty, EVER.) the rest of the characters he’s put them all back in place after Dena Higley had destroyed each & every one of them, so TY Ron for that. I’m enjoying the show very much. I just want 1 thing fixed. Each day I watch a little piece of Todd, being taken away. He’s been striped of all his wonderful layers. The only way to make it right would be to do an impostor story. 

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    BigDede

    I’m downloading this now. I have to hear why he feels he has to have Blair sweating Todd like that. I hope he explains why he did that to Ross’ character when he had great chemistry with Blair.

    The only reason I still continue to watch is because of Kim and rachel.

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    josser

    Luke & Jamey,

    Congrats on your interview!  This was great!  It’s good to hear that OLTL is finally responding to your requests for interviews!  Hopefully, the show is going to fight for its life!

    I hope that in your offline conversation with him that you were able to impress on him the urgent need for him and the rest of the OLTL cast and crew to fight like hell for OLTL because the network isn’t. 

    Contrasting your most recent ABC podcast with this one, you stated in the ABC podcast that the move to AMC’s studios has been put on hold indefinitely.  That’s not good.  If Ron, Frank, and the show’s actors are out there selling this show then who will?  DC, WLS, Sara B. of Deep Soap and Nelson Branco of TVGuide.ca have been the biggest online cheerleaders for OLTL but that’s not enough.

    Sara Bibel wrote this great article of suggestion for OLTL:

    http://www.fancast.com/blogs/deep-soap/deep-soap-will-one-life-continue-to-live/

    Ron is a creative, thoughtful writer who has infused the show with a wonderful comedic thread.  Just wonderful.

     

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    ladyofthelake

    Congrats on all the sucess of the podcast and reaching 500 or almost. I havn’t listened to it yet and debating wether I should. It must of been a real love fest in this one. I have alot of issues about OLTL and don’t agree with you guys that’s it the best soap on the air. I mean I’m really upset about some things and I’m not sure I’ll be happy with the answers. Anywho, congrats, it’s a huge milestone, somehting to be proud of for sure.

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    ladyofthelake
    This sorasing changes Todd’s history though. Todd & Tea’s relationship was based largely on Todd NOT being sexual. It was why Tea constantly left him. He couldn’t give her what she wanted, is what we were constantly told. So now we’re supposed to believe 75% of their scenes never existed? Then we have the Island story where Dani was supposed to be conceived. That Island had Todd, Tea & Ross on it ONLY because Todd wanted Ross to kidnap BOTH Starr & Jack. They not only sorased a kid who should only be 6, but they de-sorased Jack.
     

    vicious, you are so right. That was back when there was Todd/Tea/Andrew triangle. Tea would run to Andrew whenever she just couldn’t bare it that Todd would never let her in. Blair, who was in between Patrick/Marty, was always telling Tea she asked Todd for to much and didn’t know him like she did. Todd was kinda the same way with Blair except they broke up always because he did terriable things to her. Which was true then. That was a great story, not like this hot mess on the screen now.

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    Courtney fan4life

    Wow really jamey! No Dani and matthew shouldnt be together. It should be Matthew and Destiny! She whas been by his side all this time. This is why RC pisses me off sometimes. Why cant Destiny the sista get the man! But no it will end with the skinny white girl getting the guy.

    Love TnT but despise their daughter!

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    Cornfed

    FANTASTIC podcast Jamie and Luke, bravo.  I really enjoyed this one very much, glad i checked it out!  You answered about every question i might have had, i just wish i had started watching late last year during Tea’s return. Florencia is by far my fave daytime actress right now,and OLTL my fave show. Never has an ABC soap been a fave, and i’m addicted to this show.  I’d do anything to keep it on the air!

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    daisyclover1938

    I keep going back and forth over whether I should comment on this interview. While I think Carlivati is talented and I appreciate his obvious love of the genre, I’ve had major issues w/ some of his stories on OLTL.  But I wanted to hear what he had to say about Todd/Marty and Tea/Todd/Blair. I thought hearing his perspective would maybe help me be more accepting of these stories, at least enough to get me to watch OLTL again. Unfortunately no…

    He was surprised by the negative reaction to Tarty?? Hmm…really? And he thought it was just because people didn’t want something new and different?? I can only speak for myself, but the reason I had issues with Tarty was 1) the idea of a woman having sex with one of the men that brutalized her is repulsive (amnesia or not). 2) Marty was turned into a blank slate moron (so we wouldn’t identify with her and for plot convenience), and he manipulated the audience into sympathizing with Todd. 3) this next "chapter" that he gave us in the Todd/Marty story boiled down to sleazy, gimmicky shock storytelling – that didn’t have the heart, soul or relevance that the original story had. Nor was it as dramatically effective.

    My dislike for the story had nothing to do with being resistant to something new. And let’s face it, rapemance isn’t "new" anyway (oh wait, Ron doesn’t know what "rapemance" is…right…)

    And in discussing Tea/Todd/Blair and two supposedly strong, smart woman fighting over this abuse creep, all he can say is that Tea and Blair are flawed and Todd can be  loveable? I might have bought that 10 years ago (in fact, I did buy that 10 years ago) not now.

    I wish Carlivati and One Life to Live the best. But as of right now, I’m not going to start watching again. Once they get rid of a couple of their rapists/violent psychos, I might come back…

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    Jamey Giddens

    So Daisy Clover, I have to ask, how in the world do you watch General Hospital, day in and day out, which has had, in the last 10 years, had much more misogynistic storytelling that OLTL on it’s worst day? How did you keep watching GH when a woman raped Jax? When Sam McCall, one of your fave characters on the show was terrorized by man after man, pseudo erotic scenes (Manny, Rick, Jerry Jax) for Jason to come in and rescue her in an orgasmic Sweeps spectacular. I am not  being combative, seriously, I would just like to hear your thoughts, as to how a year’s worth of storytelling you find offensive on OLTL has caused you to tune it out, but unless I am mistaken, you still watch GH, where violence and sexually inappropriate situations toward women abound, and there is really quite little to balance it out, as opposed to OLTL where there is humor, diversity and so many other things going on.

     
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    gnkccc

    Ron needs to do less preaching and stop talking about other soaps and focus on his own.  In case he hasn’t noticed, OLTL is at the bottom of the ratings heap and Kish is not helping.  I do hope they get a hot love scene and hope it can beat Y&R!   If it doesn’t then Kish and OLTL will be one big failure.   And maybe Ron can stop pushing this couple at the expense of all the others on this show.  I don’t want OLTL cancelled and I feel Ron is letting his personal feelings dictate story.  Last time I checked, ATWT was Nuked.  So he better be careful.    

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    dkp

     Gnkccc, I don’t think Kish is the reason for OLTL’s ratings decline. Sure some are turned off it and the Dorian-gay marriage story, but looking at the ratings, days they are featured are not consistently the lowest. Sometimes their days are the highest, sometimes the lowest. Also looking at the episode counts at SON, I don’t think they are featured enough to be the main cause. I don’t see how Kish is coming at the expense of other couples except for maybe Cris/Layla, who are mainly props for Kish but they didn’t much airtime or story before Kish came along either. 

    I think the airtime problem is a combination of sucky promotion and a combination of stories people aren’t liking, with Kish maybe being one factor. Reading the various boards, I see people not liking Mitch’s return, others not liking Todd/Tea/Blair/Ross/Dani story, others not liking the Sky/Gigi/Rex/Stacy story. I don’t think if you dropped Kish tomorrow you’d see this spike in the ratings. 

    I do agree with you that I hope Kish get one HOT love scene that puts Y&R and ATWT to shame. 


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    daisyclover1938

    Jamey, my answer is long, so I’m gonna break it into two parts. If you don’t want to read it I’ll just break it down: I initially intended on just taking a break from OLTL (as I have with other shows), and I would tune in occasionally. But more and more things really bothered me, and once I stopped watching I realized that while I missed it, I could live without it. Okay that’s the short version.

    Part I: (*disclaimer: this is only my opinion, I don’t expect anyone else to feel the same, nor do I think they should feel the same. If you loved Tarty or any other stories I mention, more power to you :) this is JMO)

    Jamey, it’s a fair question. And as you know, I do NOT give GH a free pass. I’ve gone on here time and again to complain about the rampant misogyny on that show. In fact, I’ve said that, imo, TPTB (which include women) don’t respect women (female viewers, actress & characters)
     
    I thought Jax being raped by a woman, and worse, Carly calling it cheating was disgusting. And I thought Emily’s rape by Nik’s doppleganger Conner was equally disgusting. Just as I felt the Tarty story was cheap, sleazy and gimmicky – so where these stories, and I said so. And actually those stories were 100% dumber than Tarty was.

    Women constantly being tortured by men (the TMK story/Diego even before TMK, Panic Room Ric, Logan, etc) pissed me off and I wrote about it – online and to TPTB. I hated Sam being terrorized all the time (especially in the last few years.) Damsels in distress stories are fine, but it’s SOOO over the top at GH. There were times when I stopped watching – I missed a bunch of the Manny/Sam stuff because I couldn’t take it. Though to be fair, one of the reasons why Sam is one of my favorite characters is because there are times when she saves herself as well as others and I love that. But the plot point where Jerry sells Sam to that guy and she’s going to ge raped? HATED IT. And we didn’t even get to see her escape!! If you’re going to write this garbage, at least let us see the heroine get herself out of the situation.

    I’m no longer a dedicated viewer of B&B, just catch it here and there and that’s mostly because of Brooke’s rape storyline. I continued to watch the show after the fallout, hoping that maybe it wasn’t over…or maybe I could just get over it. But you know what? It was never the same for me.

    End of Part I…

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    daisyclover1938

    Part II:

    Okay, so…why is it that even though these other shows piss me off in the same way, I stopped watching OLTL? First, I was just going take a break from OLTL. And I think that might have been because Tarty was the straw that broke the camel’s back.  Meaning all this stuff was happening on my shows but I saw Tarty as being especially vile – because I felt it had ruined the original story which was so good, because they were portraying Todd as sympathetic (and dumbing down the victim) and because it was clear that Todd was going to remain the romantic lead on the show. Now I can take Jason and Sonny being the "good" mobsters – is it dumb? yeah. But that is so far removed from reality to me – such fantasy – that I can deal with it. Rape and abuse (for me) is different and at least the other shows didn’t try to tell me that Manny was a sexy romantic lead, or Conner, or that guy that raped Brooke. I don’t see smart strong women fighting with each other over these men. They were evil and got what was coming to them. I hated the stories, but at least I didn’t have to keep looking at their smirking faces.

    Add to that, they brought back the other rapists to make Todd look better (because gee, at least he wasn’t that bad.)  They brought back Mitch the nutjob rapist (I adore Roscoe Born, but…) and then they made this Ross guy into a violent psycho (was this to pimp Todd again?) And didn’t Stacy drug and rape a guy too??

    I fully intended to go back to watching OLTL because there was so much that I liked but everytime I would think about tuning back in, I would hear something else that would make me go, "Oh jeez, forget it." And yet again, recently because of ATWT’s cancellation I thought "I should start watching OLTL again" but then in this interview Carlivati says he doesn’t understand why people would be upset about Tarty and it’s just because we didn’t want something new, and again I decided to not start watching again. Because if that’s why Carlivati thinks I don’t like the story or why Tea/Todd/Blair doesn’t do it for me anymore, then he doesn’t get me, and maybe I’m just not the viewer he wants. Plain and simple. And that’s okay, because not every show is for every fan. And you know what? There are times when I think that about GH too.  I have been thisclose to quitting it many times and I might end up doing it, who knows? I’ve already accepted the fact that it will never be the show I want it to be.

    Yes, I know…that as long winded – sorry!!

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    daisyclover1938

    Okay, so I swear this is the last of it… Jamey, I think you might have the wrong idea here. My stance is not, "Because of Tarty I will never watch OLTL again for as long as I live!" Not at all…it’s more like, I didn’t like these past stories (plural, because it wasn’t just Tarty), I don’t particularly like what I’m hearing now, so I’m not tuning back in. But that could certainly change.  I keep up w/ the show, so if I hear things that I like, I’ll certainly tune back in.  Will I still dislike the Tarty story, yeah, but just like all the other shows, I can get past it if there are enough other things that I like.

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    maxsmom

    Daisy, that was perfect.

    Jamey, maybe because it was created by Agnes Nixon, maybe it’s because it started out dealing with the very real world, but OLTL should be held to a higher standard than GH.

    As much as I hated rapemance, I really hate that there were no consequences for Todd. Tea doesn’t even believe he raped Marty. Starr is okay that her father’s plan to kidnap her baby lead to almost a year without that baby and the belief that the child was dead. Blair is going to the mat for him though he was going to run off with Marty and her grandchild. On today’s show Blair and Tea shared a laugh at Marty’s expense. So, yes, I am back for the Evans family and Bo/Nora and Matthew and Viki/Charlie and Roxy and Fish not Kish ( I don’t like Kyle) but there are days when I wonder if wading through the muck for the good stuff is worth the trouble.

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    Jamey Giddens

    Daisy Clover, I appreciate your answers, you make a lot of valid points, I guess (IMO) I just don’t see OLTL being that much different from any other soap when it comes to a lot of these issues. Patch came to town and stalked and terrorized both Kayla and Hope on DAYS, then was made into a romantic lead. Jack raped Kayla and used Melissa, only to have a starcrossed romance with Melissa’s cousin Jennifer (one of my all time fave pairings). VIctor Newman actually spanked Nikki at one point, and the greatest soap couple of all time, Luke and Laura, are forever stained by rape. I guess I just don’t get why OLTL gets such a bum rap for being misogynistic, when IMO it’s the least misogynistic of the three ABC soaps by far. I love Liason, and you know that, but on GH, half the women in town have been fighting over blood thirsty mobsters for years, and as you said, that is far removed from your reality, but IMO it’s still much more misogynistic than anything we see on OLTL. The whole Claudia Zacharra storyline set women back 150 years, as does much of Sam’s antics, and yes, my beloved Lizzie Beth’s too. Jason may not have raped anyone, but he has killed repeatedly, and not only is he the biggest heartthrob on ABC Daytime, he’s pretty much the biggest heartthrob still in soaps. I don’t know, I just feel OLTL’s pain. They do these stories, I feel, like the rapemance, to try to compete with GH, which gets so much attention for all their stunts and shenanigans, and then they catch way more hell for it than any other soap. Victor calls every women he meets on DAYS bitches, and it seems that would be more offensive. I don’t know, I readily admit my knowledge of the dire straits OLTL is in causes me to be very frustrated, but I would never ask people to watch something that offends them. Maybe you feel about OLTL like I do about AMC, and I respect that.

     
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    EricasEvilTwin

    I agree with Maxsmom and esp. with Daisy.  I still am watching OLTL but it wears at me a lot of the time. 

    Let me add one more consideration…

    Lets compare Tarty  for a second to say the Jax rape.

    Jax was captured for  a few days maybe a week by a short term character. She threatened him, we didnt watch the rape and then she was killed.  Did I hate it, yes, but I only hated it for a week or two and the story seemed like a huge stupid plot point.  I wasnt invested in the kidnapping so I wasnt AS turned off by the aftermath.

    With Marty’s original rape – we SAW what todd did to her – we lived through the aftermath and the trial with marty for a long time.  It was intimate and disturbing, compelling and of relevance.  We even lived through Todd coming to terms over a period of years with what he did and with witnessed his redemption by "dying" for marty.  Remember, while she was never totally over it, Marty did come back when blair thought  Todd had raped her and testified that she no longer  thought he was capable of something like that.  RC took that rich history and, for me, crapped all over episode after episode for months – he negated todd’s growth by having him rape her all over again, turned Marty from a strong survivor into not only  a victim but an accomplice in her own victimization, and offered up Tea and Blair as apologists for him.  Even Starr, who is in love with Marty’s son, has accepted it as more or less todd being todd.

    Moreover, I think it was bad storytelling in the sense that there was no payoff  – – marty broke down for a bit afterward and she couldnt boink John right away, but now she is tolerant of todd again and for todd they didnt even give him a slow steady redemption story. he tried to kill himself – oh boy.  He went to jail for a couple of weeks – now thats paying a steep price.    When you watch a character you love do something terrible, it makes it much easier to forgive them if you are given a reason to see them in a different light.  If todd does nothing to earn the forgiveness of those he harmed, how can the writers expect him to earn the forgiveness of the viewers.

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    jojo52347

    I think that RC needs to wake up, I’ve been a OLTL fan since I was a teenager. DH was a great writer , I loved how she brought the Tess/Jess/Nash story line to light. Nash was my favorite character on the show, and Jessica is my favorite. When DH introduced Tess/Nash in 2005 the ratings for the show were up, and it got even better in 2006 with the Nash/Jessica/Antonio love triangle. I love the show in 2007, but once RC became head writer he ruined Jash, and that was a big mistake. There was a lot of potential for Nash’s character that writers could’ve invested in. I can’ t for the life of me understand why they brought in the Brody character. Mark Lawson is a terrible actor, how can OLTL let a terrific actor like Forbes March go for Mark Lawson. Brody is soooooooooooooooo boring, he is relationship with Jessica bores me to tears.

    Please RC bring Nash/Forbes March back in 2010, I think that would help save OLTL. I for one stop watching the show when Nash died and only catch clips on you tube, and from what I can tell all of the storyline except for Mitch’s return is zzzzzzzzzzzzz boring. Sick of the Rex/Stacy/Gigi crap, Nora/Bo/Clint crap,  Vicki/Charlie crap.. Todd/Tea/Dani, crap…Kish is crap..Dorian/Amelia story line is crap…no wonder the show is on the chopping blocks for 2011.

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    dqh257

    I know DC loves OLTL a lot, however, the Clint/Nora/Bo storyline is a retread of the Ross/Blake/Ben storyline ten years ago on GL. It has the same dynamic, the same everything, and really, JVD isn’t even stretching as an actor because he’s done it all before with actors on GL with whom he has chemistry. OLTL is entertaining, but if it’s the best soap on the air as DC claims, then the genre is in a real state of flux.

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    eightiesaddict

    I guess I am in the minority, I am loving OLTL and think it has never been better.  I have watched  OLTL since Karen took the stand in the 70’s and feel Ron has done an incredible job bringing back the stories and characters I used to love. 

    Finally we are getting Bo and Nora, Viki and Dorian back in frontburner stories.  I really am sick and tired of everyone complaining about Todd and the rapemance.  They must be new viewers, and are not used to Todd’s endless cycle of self-destruction.  Ditto Dorian.  So what if she pretends to be a lesbian; her win at all costs behavior is classic Dorian.  While both of these charactes have grown throughout the years, they are both selfish and will pull out all the stops to win and come in first place. 

    I also watched AMC and GH for years, but had to give them up for my heath.  They were both making me sick.  I cannot and will not sit through another mob storyline, even if Robert DeNiro joins GH.  I had my fill 4 or 5 years ago.  The performances are brilliant, the stories pure crap.  Just thinking about watching either show again, gives me chills.   

    Luke and Jamie keep up the good work, you both continually sing the praises of actors and soaps that deserve positive attention. 

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    EricasEvilTwin

    I cant speak for anyone else but  I first starting watching OLTL when Dorian was still with Herb Callison and Asa was in love with Samantha Vernon (I still remember the big party with them all riding).  I watched through the big Jenny/Katrina baby switch story – though I readily admit I was pretty young then and with no vcrs could not watch daily.  At any rate, that hardly makes me a "new viewer"

    Are you making the case that the rapemance really was just more todd at his usual bent?  I just dont see it that way. 

    I still enjoy the show, but I think the Tarty storyline was a huge mistake and I dont think its unfair for viewers to still be turned off/complaining about it given that it airent not all that long ago.  My complaint with the Dorian Mel storyline was just the stupidity of it…I didnt care that she was pretending to be gay just that the storyline wasnt written very smartly.

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    lilyredd

    Interesting podcast, thank you and congratulations.

    I have watched this show since 1980 when I was in grade school and unfortunately I do not believe this headwriter has mined the deep history of this show. RC has tremendous abilities, however, I feel there is a lack of heart and, most especially intelligence, in his writing. I shake my head when I read or hear some of the stuff this writer says about his stories.
     
    In his interview with Michael Logan he said something to the effect if you didn’t like the gay story, you have Todd and Rex. Todd and Rex? Not an inspiring endorsement for this viewer to watch. He claims Dorian would do anything to win. I agree. Pretending to be gay. Hell no. Robin Strasser in her interview with out.com said this was not classic Dorian, it was out of left field. It did NOT mine her deep history nor did it showcase the fabulous rivalry between Dorian and Viki. It was clunky and stupid. 

    He has said during the Todd rapes and holds hostage the woman he and the friends he encouraged to gang rape that the two actors sold this story because they had great chemistry. What? This viewer saw no chemistry. I saw a woman playing a little piano for days on end and going on a picnic and then begging her rapist to have sex with her. It was vile. It was disgusting. Then RC decides to go back to the KAD days because Todd wasn’t the only one who raped Marty. 

    Rex as the most sought after guy on the block is a joke. I cannot stand Stacey, but I will never buy she or any woman would carry a torch for that character.

    Now we have Mitch ruling the Llanview.  

    Where is the heart and soul of this show? Why are such vile and boring men -Todd, Rex, Mitch, John at the heart of every story? When will there be a true meaty story for Dorian and Viki? Where is the Dorian and Viki relationship? (and I do not mean the catty, teenage stuff this headwriter pens -where is the nuance, the meaningful exchanges) Why is Blair nothing more than a spare part in Todd’s story?

    I watch for certain actors anymore; I wish it were for their stories.

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    dsrbroadway

    Congrats guys on landing Ron and getting to 500!

    Great interview with Ron, though would it have killed him to use a landline? Anyway, I found myself agreeing with just about everything he said. I loved his enthusiasm and noticeable love and care for the show. By the way, I knew from the beginning that the rapemance was going to be worth the effort to watch for a powerhouse conclusion, and it in the end, it was another example of Ron for challenging his audiences to see things from a different point of view. Hope he keeps it up.

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    Outspoken

    It is no wonder that the shows are being cancelled left and right. I prefer to see the bad but be grateful for the good and OLTL is good! As I have mentioned elsewhere, none of the soaps should be gone on ABC, but AMC taking precidence over OLTL is just insane.

    The Rapemance…. man, is that thing long over, yet it is the heat of the topic, any topic when OLTL or Todd Manning is mentioned. Like Jamey said, this kind of storytelling is done on all the soaps. Perhaps we weren’t so picky then, but it has  been epic since the seventies and a known phenomina that victims fall in love with their captors. Being a Todd lover, I suffer the same old trap each time when discussing the show,  this is sooooo old, that I am surprised that anyone still finds anything to say over it. Then again, no one says anything new, always the same monotonous dislike of anything that will finally redeem him even when it is short lived. Todd has paid for his crimes more than enough, he has been the whipping boy for over a decade and truly friends, it is tiresome.

    It was a nice closing, I loved the clips of Marty rehashing her raping while Todd was tied to the bed. I loved that they managed to put that behind them and to be mature adults in light of their Grandchild and I liked the fact that even though she will never forget it, MARTY doesn’t let it rule her every thought or action any longer… because Todd served as the trigger to her FINally putting her past behind her so that she can move on. AND for Pete’s sake, I would throw a huge shin-dig when half of the fans would move on also.

    Todd isn’t proud of what he has done, but for a tolerant generation of educated people, we sure do love to hang someone time and time again for very BAD mistakes they do. How easy it is to shoot down this very brilliant storytelling on hand of a few minor storylines that only made the Characters more viable. Todd at least, has grown. Spare me with Jess the Mess…. 

    Tea and Blair fighting over Todd has NOTHING to do with his past crimes, but when I see the same people who chastise Ron for closing the story, cheering on that low-life Cop, John McBain for covering up an attempted murder, I do have to think that the world has gone mad. 

    It is so, that we may just loose this show in a year when we are lucky to have it so long… just as is with all the others that was taken away from us, all we can think about then, is how much we miss it.

    I thank you all for voicing your opinions, just shows me how much more work we fans have before us if we do wish to save this and eventually GH and AMC also. It is just annoying to have had the pleasure of having the HW telling us how HE saw things and why he made his choices, without having a whole page of dispute to read down before he endlessly finding a comment or two from people who actually appreciate his efforts and love his work.

    My Opinion… as yours does count, it is just a bit hard to read out in a pool of discontent and negativity. No one owes us anything… I suppose we tend to forget that. 

    Again, Thank you so much Luke and Jamey for the wonderful 500th edition and the pleasure of hearing Ron C speak openly with us about the show many fans out here in the world do NOT want to live without. 

    Merry Xmas!

     

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    daisyclover1938

    Outspoken, I could not disagree with you more on almost everything you’ve written. But I don’t feel like arguing. "Tarty" will continue to be talked about for a long time. It was a controversial story and is now part of OLTL history, for better or worse. That’s why Jamey and Luke asked Ron C. about it in the interview and that’s why it’s being discussed here.

    LIkewise, it’s normal for people to make both negative and positive comments about the show. I hesitated on commenting about the interview, specifically because OLTL is in trouble. It sort of feels like kicking a dog when it’s down, but at the same time we as fans are pretty much powerless, the only voice we have is on these sites and by writing to TPTB. There’s a chance that Carlivati or one of his people will look at these comments, so fans should speak up about what they like and dislike. Pretending everything is perfect won’t do any good.

    But just so all of my comments weren’t negative, what I liked about OLTL: ripple effect storytelling, use of vets, the humor. I’m really missing the cast most of all. Charlie was my favorite new character to come along in the last couple of years (from any show.) I ADORE Brian Kerwin and hope he’s not leaving the show anytime soon…

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    jojo52347

    Outspoken, I couldn’t disagree with you more, daisyclover is absolutely right, negative or positive, fans should voice their opinions about the show, and maybe the writers will read some of it and start making the changes needed to help save the show. I hate that OLTL is in trouble and would hate to see the show cancelled.

    OLTL is by far the most diverse show on daytime and could be the best show if the characters were written properly and they were’nt so kill happy. Nash’s character for instance was a great addition to the Buckes household and he and Jessica could’ve invested in the winery together turning it into a family business instead of having him getting the money from a shady business man. There was a scene where Jared and Nash was actually working together on the winery 50/50 and that was working out great. IMO Nash/Jessica/Natalie/Jared would have been an awesome foursome on the show, but the writers ruined that story. Jared and Natalie could’ve come out sooner and just told the truth about who the real brother was and move on from there.

    GH is full of violence and I tuned out from watching GH when Michael killed Claudia and everyone covered for him. The writers turned Elizabeth character scandalous, by hooking her up with Nick-o-dic, while she is engaged to Lucky, and lets not talk about Jason and Jake, Jason doesn’t even acknowledge that he has a son and is back with the woman who watch his kid get kidnapped and did nothing. There is no diversity on GH at least AMC have the Hubbards.

    I was very loyal to ABC soaps, I am now very disappointed, and fustrated to say the least and thinking about switching to NBC, and start watching DOOL, I just read that Dena Higley is writing for days, maybe she can bring Forbes March to DOOL I would definitely watch anything Forbes.

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    Outspoken

    [quote=daisyclover1938]Outspoken, I could not disagree with you more on almost everything you’ve written. But I don’t feel like arguing. "Tarty" will continue to be talked about for a long time. It was a controversial story and is now part of OLTL history, for better or worse. That’s why Jamey and Luke asked Ron C. about it in the interview and that’s why it’s being discussed here.

    LIkewise, it’s normal for people to make both negative and positive comments about the show. I hesitated on commenting about the interview, specifically because OLTL is in trouble. It sort of feels like kicking a dog when it’s down, but at the same time we as fans are pretty much powerless, the only voice we have is on these sites and by writing to TPTB. There’s a chance that Carlivati or one of his people will look at these comments, so fans should speak up about what they like and dislike. Pretending everything is perfect won’t do any good.

    But just so all of my comments weren’t negative, what I liked about OLTL: ripple effect storytelling, use of vets, the humor. I’m really missing the cast most of all. Charlie was my favorite new character to come along in the last couple of years (from any show.) I ADORE Brian Kerwin and hope he’s not leaving the show anytime soon…[/quote]

    Moin Daisy! Lol, kicking the dog when it is down, you are right! But to shun a whole show for the sake of a couple of major Storylines is for me, a bit simplistic. Not that I feel that you are narrow minded, because your Posts prove you are not! I for one have my problems with rape issues that aren’t being handled properly ((Brooke Logan..ugh)) but feel that in both versions, the 90’s and the latest concerning Tarty, were done very, very well. Todd and Marty have always had this strange relationship, Marty knows who she is and who Todd is, she has moved on. 

    Yes, Todd has done some pretty awful things, but that is who he is. Still, we ToddyFans love him because even with his crazy antics, his complications and his really short temper, Todd is and remains a very interesting Character and TSJ is knocking him out of the park. I have loved Todd since day one, hated that he became the head of a mass-raping but was intrigued by his inner-fight and denial. He was not very likable I admit, but he was soooooooooo intense that I couldn’t help but want to see how his story developed. Over the years, he has been through so much and when he was raped, injected with poison, witch-hunted and persecuted, I couldn’t wait to see him stand up and be counted. His sister has shunned him, his daughter and his exes… yet, Todd remains to be a force to be reckoned with. For me, a perfect soap villiain.Every Soap has at least one, now thanks to Ron, we have two. Todd and Mitch on the screen at the same time is outrageously exciting. I love the canvas that is presently Llanview and that after a very bumpy four years of bad writing and Character assassination before RC joined the Crew and brought back our show.

    I love Ron and I love what he is doing with this show. I am so thrilled about the upcoming returns and really, the way the show is written; can only be thankful to see them once again in full capacity when even for the last round.

    I have watched all the soaps at one time or the other, but have never stopped watching OLTL and BnB. GH is the kind of show that when you haven’t watched in 18 years, you can still come back and slip right into the present. I started watching again when reading here on DC that SJB was going to BnB and I must say, even though there were characters that I didn’t know, I was drawn in and now have added that to my list of must keep up with soaps!   I checked into Days after 22 years, I am so happy for its fans that the show is fighting like hell. Being a soap-addict, I realised, that it really doesn’t matter which soap it is, I can get comfy-cosy with it.  AMC? I have put in so many pauses that if you were to see it like a slice of cheese, you would say it was swiss! I can take it or leave it, it really doesn’t affect me that much… but it does affect my fellow soap-fans; for whom I root in general.

    Critic? Ron needs to build up on the Evans family and perhaps bring Evangeline back. I am really tired of the inferences to her Character and knowing that she will remain in this coma. I would really like to see her Wake-up! There are some characters who are getting too much airtime, while others are getting none and yes, I do love that Clint is going to be pulling out the dark-side soon. I am disappointed that Bo is now part of the cheating team, that Nat may be re-paired up with John McSnooze, that Rex is now the biggest jerk that side of the Llantano and that Blair still doesn’t know who her Daddy is… but I have time! All the time TPTB allows us. 

    Ron is doing a fantastic job on his end, if we would do a little bit more on ours… not just ripping things down, but supporting the foundation of the crumbling Genre.. perhaps we will have our shows in ten years to discuss rather than to loose the shows all together because it was more important to make the fly bigger than the wall. For me he is the best writer on Daytime and remains within the realms of the living mortal — where he too, makes creative mistakes which being HW; he can smoothe out. He seems to know what he is doing, so has my support. I am not going to stop fighting for him and our Show… worldwide spreading the word, getting the snail mail out  and sending Peanuts to studios in support of Soap Fans who are being forced to watch the various Casts and Crews who face the loss of their existence!!! Having witnessed the loss of so many wonderful shows, that were replaced with nonsense that didn’t even last a complete year, I do get upset with the many posts, comments, blogs that feed more into reasons to can rather than save them. I don’t stand alone and that is good so.

    Loved reading your comments, have a wonderful Holiday Season and a happy 2010, may all our Soap Dreams come true!


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    Outspoken

    [quote=jojo52347]Outspoken, I couldn’t disagree with you more, daisyclover is absolutely right, negative or positive, fans should voice their opinions about the show, and maybe the writers will read some of it and start making the changes needed to help save the show. I hate that OLTL is in trouble and would hate to see the show cancelled.

    OLTL is by far the most diverse show on daytime and could be the best show if the characters were written properly and they were’nt so kill happy. Nash’s character for instance was a great addition to the Buckes household and he and Jessica could’ve invested in the winery together turning it into a family business instead of having him getting the money from a shady business man. There was a scene where Jared and Nash was actually working together on the winery 50/50 and that was working out great. IMO Nash/Jessica/Natalie/Jared would have been an awesome foursome on the show, but the writers ruined that story. Jared and Natalie could’ve come out sooner and just told the truth about who the real brother was and move on from there.

    GH is full of violence and I tuned out from watching GH when Michael killed Claudia and everyone covered for him. The writers turned Elizabeth character scandalous, by hooking her up with Nick-o-dic, while she is engaged to Lucky, and lets not talk about Jason and Jake, Jason doesn’t even acknowledge that he has a son and is back with the woman who watch his kid get kidnapped and did nothing. There is no diversity on GH at least AMC have the Hubbards.

    I was very loyal to ABC soaps, I am now very disappointed, and fustrated to say the least and thinking about switching to NBC, and start watching DOOL, I just read that Dena Higley is writing for days, maybe she can bring Forbes March to DOOL I would definitely watch anything Forbes.[/quote]

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    Hi JoJo! Thanks for the reply, but as I remember… it was DOOL who started with the Kill-Happy Climate on the Soaps. I still can’t understand why they threw away such epic Performers and now that they have DH, how long do you really believe the show will exist? She is just as venomous to soaps as is Ellen Wheeler. So, if they did bring him over there, you can start counting the months before DOOL has its curtain call. I hope not… such is the life of a Soap-Killer!

    I would have been happy if Nash and Jess would have left for Napa and never returned, thus saving the character of Nash and not making him out to be the lame brained person he became. He was perfect with Tess and only Tess. The reintegration of the alter egos has left  no residue of Tess or Bess in the present Jess, making that whole thing, while highly entertaining – null and void. If Mess would show her Tess side more, I could really support your thesis, but she is just the most pathetic, whiney and weak Character in the family right now and I am truly bored.  So… having said that; if Ron were to put a pinch of Tess in the Mess, I would be thrilled at having Nash’s twin back. The whole Jared and Nat crap was a huge down for me, being that Nash didn’t have to be pulled into that stuff in the first place. He put himself in there and Jared took him out. I feel Jared’s death is a small retribution, thus closing the chapter for me.

    I agree with your GH thoughts, however; GH hasn’t been GH in over 20 years. Still, I do watch it again because I am interested in seeing who gets burned and who not. The Franco story does nothing for me, but like I have said in a previous post, I have only started watching around the time Claudia was getting ready to be Axed.

    As for AMC and the Hubbards……………….. they have ruined Jessie for me. He has turned into the biggest disappointment, has no semblance of the Jessie I knew 20-odd years ago and would never put his family / career on the line to support all the illegal crap the whole town has been doing, only to save Erica’s daughter. Angie is the best cop in that town, Frankie needs to divorce his wife and Nat needs to stop treating Brot like she is.  I just don’t know how they are going to redeem him again, it is a disgrace to have brought Angie and him back, just to crucify their memory in long-term Fan’s minds.

    I hope that you get to see March on Daytime again, I see how much he meant to you. DOOL has more than enough Characters right now, perhaps when they do actually make the mark and are not being threatened on a weekly basis, they may just give you your wish. Unfortuanately, I see more cutting down on Performers than adding new ones to on the shows. This is all very hard to take, but unless fans start protesting and making a major stink, we will loose not just one or two of our favorite characters, but also entire shows.

    Happy Holidays!


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    doctormo77

    Kudos, Jamey and Luke!  Ron C has definitely got me excited out Llanview going into the New Year.  His background as a lawyer certainly came in handy as he answered the ‘tricker questions’.  That Brian Frons is certainly full of suprises these days. 

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    Beth

    Congratulations to DC for 500 podcasts, and fantastic interview!  I’ve really enjoyed what Mr. Carlivati has done on OLTL the last couple of years.  And mostly, I have to thank him for giving me a little bit of hope that any dream you have can come true.  It gives me fortitude to continue writing.  Thanks to all of you! 

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    celticbelle

    great interview and Ron has an interesting background and enjoyed hearing how he got his start on OLTL……I want to thank him for giving us my favourite couple Kish and i’m so happy that he has big plans for them…..this is one of the sweetest most romantic love stories ever seen on TV and the chemistry between Brett Claywell and Scott Evans is so amazing  that they make Kish so real and believable…..they are such an adorable couple and are the best reason to watch OLTL…..JMHO…

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