Daytime Confidential’s 10 Worst Soap Couples of 2009


No. 10: Jason and Sam, General Hospital

Daytime Confidential has a reputation for being a pro-Liason site. Okay, technically this isn’t an undeserved rap, since the majority of our bloggers favor the Jason and Liz (Steve Burton and Rebecca Herbst) pairing over JaSam (We still love ya, Jillian!), but our mourning over the loss of Liason had absolutely nothing to do with why JaSam finds itself on our list of the Worst Couples of 2009— we promise. Brian Frons‘s manufactured, wannabe Bonnie and Clyde pairing earned their spot on this list without any help from Nurse Liz Webber. After forcing Bob Guza to split up Liason, reportedly citing JaSam’s popularity over Liason (yeah, tell that to the Nielsens), Frons and JaSam lovers got their dream come true in 2009, while the rest of us threw up a little in our mouths as Sam re-entered Jason’s orbit via a rushed kidnapping storyline for Jason and Liz’s lovechild Jake, that saw Sam literally try to make up for having watched Jake being kidnapped herself earlier, not to mention hiring goons to terrorize Jason’s son and little Cameron, all before the commercial break during a car scene. If that wasn’t bad enough, the moment JaSam begin "finding their way back to one another", GH became a watered down version of Mr. and Mrs. Smith, once again, thanks to JaSam’s mobtacular activities. Kudos to  Burton and Kelly Monaco for giving it their all in trying to sell this farce, but sorry Fronsie, we ain’t buying it!

No. 9: Frank and Natalia, Guiding Light

Poor Frank Cooper (Frank Dicopolous). Ever since his beloved Eleni dumped him to go off to become the next Rachael Ray, Guiding Light’s top cop has endured one romantic disaster after another. In 2009, Cupid gave Frank one, final cosmic wedgie by having him fall for latent lesbian Natalia Rivera (Jessica Leccia). Frank remained clueless about Natalia’s obvious affections for Olivia Spencer (Crystal Chappell) for much of the year, even proposing marriage to the Friend of Ellen and Portia. Fans of Otalia went crazy when Natalia proved a runaway bride during her nuptials to Frank, only to be found by Olivia, who confessed her love for Natalia at a snow-covered gazebo in the center of town (Swoon!). Not that it was smooth sailing for the pair, Frank’s little swimmers had managed to do Greece proud, when Natalia found herself preggers by Harley’s big bro. It would have been kinder to put a "Kick Me" sign on Cooper’s back. Otalia fans and critics alike were incensed by this sexist, all-too-typical plot twist. Frank went from being one of GL’s most beloved heroes, to a representation of everything TPTB were doing to try to quiet the growing Otalia storm. By the end of the show, Natalia and Olivia were finally together and Frank found happiness with Blake (Liz Keifer).Unfortunately that wasn’t enough to make us forget how Frank and Natalia had been one of the Worst Couples in Soaps in 2009.

348 Responses

  1. Profile photo of badass
    badass

    Smitty:

    U are so right!!!!  I’m waiting for EET, GH Lover, and all the rest of Jasam fans. 
    Oh this is gonna be good because everybody know Liason.  If this was real life all Y’all Jasam fans know you would not forgive someone that has done all that QuickSam has done to Liason.

    Ok I’m ready to laugh now!!!

    LIASON FOR LIFE!!!!

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    ghaddict

    "but our mourning over the loss of Liason had absolutely nothing to do with why JaSam finds itself on our list of the Worst Couples of 2009"

     sure……….

    I won’t even bother to read the rest of this list…..

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    Starrgirlfish

    Oh boy, Jasam DEFINITELY deserves to be up there. And I am SOOOO glad that they are.

    When Sam is with Jason she regresses into someone who has absolutely no independence whatsoever.

    And the mobstacular adventures together…..?…Ugh, gag me now.

    I think DC did a wonderful job with this list.

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    siomonstuart2003

    Y&R have horrible couples except for Kay and Murphy and billy and chloe, but that about it.  NIz is great and Liz is not in love with Lucky now, she just needs him and she wants Nik.  Go NIZ

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    dkellergrl2001

    *sits back, grabs a cranberry & vodka and anxiously awaits for EET and JaSam Lovers to read post*

    LOL…this is going to be fun….

    I’ll sit right next to Smitty, while partaking from my own flask of gin and tonic (with a splash of lime).  

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    cokeyloveshersoaps

    I hate getting in the middle of liason vs jasam wars because i could care less about either but this list is for 2009 liason did not have scenes in 09 and according to jasam fans they were never a couple.

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    Carol2

    I don’t think Clementine Ford is the entire problem with Billy and Mac. Then again, I never hated Brenda Epperson (who is probably only slightly less robotic than Eileen Davidson, who manages to wake up and give a strong performances a few times a decade — Ashley isn’t exactly a role with great emotions). Billy and Mac were horribly written and lacked any chemisty. Ford has had some chemistry with Thad Luckinbill. Miller had some with Sharon Case. Given that he had, in my opinion, zero with Adrienne Frantz, Christel Khalil, and Liz Hendrickson, he’s not exactly a chemistry machine.

    Miller is a good actor, but he’s much more noticeable for his tics and mugging than for giving a performance which adds to the scene. He is extremely disconnected from co-stars and helps make Billy completely unsympathetic.

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    dkp

    Oh what a great list. So glad Gig/Rex/Stacy made the list and so high on it, so deserved.

    I’m both glad and mad Adam and Rafe made number 1. On one hand, it’s so deserved due how awful the story was, but also makes me mad, cause they could have made a kick ass couple.

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    Blackjaxs

    You know, yesterday was the 1st time a cared about Sam in over three years. Because she was doing something other than chase Jason around. For any pairing to work for me there has to be a connection of course, but I have find something  to root for regarding the individuals in the pairing. GH has never really spent anytime developing Sam, and they just seem to throw things at her hoping that they stick. I want her away from Jason, mainly so she can develop some sort of identity.

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    troymcclure

    Good list however Jasam doesn’t belong on it, they stick out like sore thumb.

    I’m surprised by no Casey and Alison on ATWT or like you did last year (Alison and anyone LOL good one)
    I totally agree with Clementine Ford being the big problem with Billy and Mac.  BM is acting his heart out but she is like a wall.  Oh why don’t they recast her?

    What a welcome surprise seeing Gigi/Stacey and Rex on the list.

    Seriously I can think of at least 10 couples that should’ve been on the list over Jasam

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    couchpotato7

    ARE U KIDDING ME!!!!!!!

    Since 2004 they have been a blending of friends, lovers, partners and protectors. They have supported and loved one another and it was only due to writers enema’s that they broke up under the STUPIDEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

    I willing sit back and take the slings and arrows of you Liason fans but seriousely Jason and Sam where together for over 2 years and Liason had stolen moments here and there her true partner WAS Lucky till she bed hopped her way out of it.

    I am proud to be a JASAM Fan and I think they are an incredible couple.

    Bad Couples for GH would be Solivia, NIz, Fake Em and Dark Prince Dick, Ethecca, Maxis and JonLu, 

    SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR BIASED CHOICE and KISS MY LIST 

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    bonobochick

    What? No Casey/Alison even though they’ve spent much of 2009 stinking up the screen with their "epic love story" on ATWT?

    Ok, what gives?   While I don’t have problems with the other couples you picked – though I am neither a JaSam nor Liaison lover – this list feels incomplete without Casey/Alison. Especially as they stank up the screen more in 2009 than the Vortex of Suck.

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    josser

    Come on!  Most soaps wish that they had the incredibly passionate fan bases that comprise the JaSam and Liason groups.  I applaud both groups for their passion and desire to see their favorite couples on air! 

    Team JaSam & Team Liason deserve our applause.  They may snark at each other but without their passion, GH fandom would be a lesser place. 

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    sweetiepie

    So I guess we are to belive that it is pure coincidence that Sam and Jason are the first couple on the list (albeit number 10).

    Sorry, but I as a long term JaSam fan cannot summon any great sympathy for the way tptb are treating Liz, when they did the exact same thing to Sam last year. Why the tptb feel they need to assasinate a character just because a coupling isn’t popular is beyond me.

    Jason and Liz were more like brother and sister.  Jake was not conceived out of some  great love, but out of a few desperate moments between two people who had been thru an emotional wringer.

    Jason and Sam have real heat.  Sam is not judgemental and needy, but supportive because she knows and loves Jason for who he really is, not for who she would like for him to be.

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    blackjack21

    well, what to say? an hour ago i was lamenting no sam and jason on the best list and they start off the worst list? bitter much? i feel they are at #10 just so they could be on the this list.

    one cannot say that liz is a better couple with jason over sam and that sam loses herself in jason in the same paragraph. who had liz become during her time with jason? someone chasing after him over and above all things. this time around jason had to go after sam and he is still trying to reassure her. sam spent Christmas with her family while liz spent her gathering being guilty and uncomfortable with the mess she’s started.

    the truth is i just don’t get liz and jason and i love sam and sam with jason. so no matter what you say i won’t change my mind anymore than anyone will switch teams to my couple – although we did convert jillian…:)

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    keanna

    Can’t argue with the list guys, even though I don’t watch CBS’ soaps I see why you have these couples on here.
    Guys, I think you should have extra security in your headquarters because you know the JaSam fans are going to pounce. I don’t care who Jason is with I just want him to be a Q again.

    As for Frandi, well you guys pretty much covered it. I prefer they get rid of Randi and bring back Laura or perhaps pairing Frankie with Greenlee.

    As for RyGranny, I hope breaking them up is one of the first things on LB’s to do list. Who are these fans that said they wanted this pairing I want to know.

    And OLTL, I am just glad that Stacy’s leaving.

  17. Profile photo of GH LOVER
    GH LOVER

     next year in this time .. Jason and Sam will be married  and have their family ….. Because Sam is not  a girl that use her man to help keep her bed warm when she loves someone she loves him in all her heart ……… 

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    ahanshew
    I hate getting in the middle of liason vs jasam wars because i could care less about either but this list is for 2009 liason did not have scenes in 09 and according to jasam fans they were never a couple.

    Touche…

    I need some popcorn and a drink for this one…

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    Jamey Giddens

    well, what to say? an hour ago i was lamenting no sam and jason on the best list and they start off the worst list? bitter much? i feel they are at #10 just so they could be on the this list.

    ***
    LMAO You’re joking right? You don’t seriously believe we voted JaSam on this list because of your "lament"? We voted on this list at the top of the month of Dec. Sorry to be disappoint. Clouds in my coffee…

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    Jenny

    but our mourning over the loss of Liason had absolutely nothing to do with why JaSam finds itself on our list of the Worst Couples of 2009— we promise.
     

    Yeah, right. *rolls eyes*

    Let the JaSam vs. Liason fanbase war #100,758,598,976 begin. LOL!!

    Nasty Niz and Billy/Mac are on there. So, I won’t make a fuss about this list.

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    SoapFan75

    Love this list.  JaSam absolutely belongs on this list.  Sorry Frons no matter how much you try to drill them down the audience throat we just don’t buy it.  I suspect his other manufactured couple, Rylee, may join them on this list next year.

    And Frank and Natalia were just GROSS with absolutely zero chemistry.  Her priceless expression on the photo you selected says it all  – YUCK!

    Your comments were spot on about The Showkiller’s storyline choice

    "It would have been kinder to put a "Kick Me" sign on Cooper’s back. Otalia fans and critics alike were incensed by this sexist, all-too-typical plot twist. Frank went from being one of GL’s most beloved heroes, to a representation of everything TPTB were doing to try to quiet the growing Otalia storm."
     
    I was never a big fan of Frank C. (he was just there as far as I was concerned) but this storyline made him the symbol of everything you guys mentioned above. 

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    ahanshew
     next year in this time .. Jason and Sam will be married  and have their family ….. Because Sam is not  a girl that use her man to help keep her bed warm when she loves someone she loves him in all her heart ………

    Ok – This is the part where I hurl up the popcorn I just ate.  Sam doesn’t use a man to keep her bed warm??  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    myworld

    Yeah right the Jasam was on the list for other reasons than certain bloggers hate them.

    I agree with everything else, but to me all I am reading is they made the list because some feel Frons supports them.

    Very hard to believe Jackie and Owen would be on a best list and Jasam would be on a worst list.

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    mrmrsnever

    ARE U KIDDING ME!!!!!!!

    Since 2004 they have been a blending of friends, lovers, partners and protectors. They have supported and loved one another and it was only due to writers enema’s that they broke up under the STUPIDEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

    I willing sit back and take the slings and arrows of you Liason fans but seriousely Jason and Sam where together for over 2 years and Liason had stolen moments here and there her true partner WAS Lucky till she bed hopped her way out of it.

    I am proud to be a JASAM Fan and I think they are an incredible couple.

    Bad Couples for GH would be Solivia, NIz, Fake Em and Dark Prince Dick, Ethecca, Maxis and JonLu, 

    SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR BIASED CHOICE and KISS MY LIST 
     

    They can’t reunite Liason right now cuz she’s SWIMMING over to Spoon Island for some "Afternoon Delight"! 

    This has to be a joke JASAM is rthe best thing to happen to GH
    Thank U to frons and Guza oxoxo
    Lijason never was ppl need to move and get over it all they had was a bastard son and booty calls HAHAHAH
    JASAM has it all Love chemisty and adventure
     

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    mrmrsnever

    ARE U KIDDING ME!!!!!!!

    Since 2004 they have been a blending of friends, lovers, partners and protectors. They have supported and loved one another and it was only due to writers enema’s that they broke up under the STUPIDEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

    I willing sit back and take the slings and arrows of you Liason fans but seriousely Jason and Sam where together for over 2 years and Liason had stolen moments here and there her true partner WAS Lucky till she bed hopped her way out of it.

    I am proud to be a JASAM Fan and I think they are an incredible couple.

    Bad Couples for GH would be Solivia, NIz, Fake Em and Dark Prince Dick, Ethecca, Maxis and JonLu, 

    SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR BIASED CHOICE and KISS MY LIST 
     

    They can’t reunite Liason right now cuz she’s SWIMMING over to Spoon Island for some "Afternoon Delight"! 

    This has to be a joke JASAM is rthe best thing to happen to GH
    Thank U to frons and Guza oxoxo
    Lijason never was ppl need to move and get over it all they had was a bastard son and booty calls HAHAHAH
    JASAM has it all Love chemisty and adventure
     

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    sevenkell

    Jason and Sam absolutely do NOT belong in the top 10. I understand that this is a site full of disgruntled Liason fans but come on, top 10 WORST of the decade? Sheesh, that’s a HUGE stretch!!!

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    jasamfan98

    Once again Liason fans have to blaim the nielsen ratings on Jasam.  I mean one couple is not going to make the nielsen ratings.  It is the whole show that has to do with it.  The Liason fans think if they are back together the ratings are going to skyrocket.  Keep dreaming.

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    blackjack21

    oh no, jamey that’s not what i meant at all. i’m not that egocentric! nor do i think you base your opinions on mine …although "look deep into my eyes…you will love sam mccall. you will love her with jason…you will not badmouth this couple and will never mention jason and liz in the same sentence again…" well i had to give it a try, right? LOL

    i just meant i had thought i might see jason and sam on the best list. i didn’t even think twice that they’d be on the worst list. but there they are.

    i know you all put way more effort into your lists than a last minute, fly by the seat of your pants method.

    ps – i may not agree with your lists, i still love reading them!

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    LIASONADDICT

     next year in this time .. Jason and Sam will be married  and have their family ….. Because Sam is not  a girl that use her man to help keep her bed warm when she loves someone she loves him in all her heart ………

    ************

    That is the funniest thing I have ever read, I can’t believe you (GH LOVER) wrote that with a straight face

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    purplebraids

    Luke  you  forgot  about Bianca and Resse  they were so badly written it  isn`t even funny  and Frankie and Randi are the worst besides Paul  and Meg will Meg and any pairing she`s had  .And then there AS WORLD TURNS Ally and her pairings . I   agree   with on Billy and MAC  I  loved  Billy and Mac the frist time bad recast   can`t  makeup for no chem. I`m also shocked  that   GL`s M&M  didn`t make the list .

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    purplebraids

    Luke  you  forgot  about Bianca and Resse  they were so badly written it  isn`t even funny  and Frankie and Randi are the worst besides Paul  and Meg will Meg and any pairing she`s had  .And then there AS WORLD TURNS Ally and her pairings . I   agree   with on Billy and MAC  I  loved  Billy and Mac the frist time bad recast   can`t  makeup for no chem. I`m also shocked  that   GL`s M&M  didn`t make the list .

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    greenb

     I’ve never commented before but I just can’t anymore…I have loved no other couple as much as Jason and Sam since I started watching GH ten years ago. I have never seen the chemistry between Jason and Liz. I found them flat-out dull and boring. Jason smiles around Sam, she accepts him the way he is. I’ll never forget Jason holding baby Lila when Sam miscarried…their romance seemed to grow organically, and that’s the way I’ve felt on this go round too. Liz and Jason were always forced, but Jason and Sam kind of found themselves together and realized they should be together.

    I never thought Sam would be able to be redeemed after the Jake kidnapping fiasco, but they somehow managed to do it. This JaSam fan is thrilled!

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    season1217

    [quote=sweetiepie]Jason and Sam have real heat.  Sam is not judgemental and needy, but supportive because she knows and loves Jason for who he really is, not for who she would like for him to be.[/quote]

    Yeah! Sam’s not like those other bitches (Brenda, Robin, Liz)! What kind of a woman wants her man to be better and NOT kill people for a living?!

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    blackjack21

    i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but liz has been doing those eyebrow raises and smirks for more than the last 12 months.

    i suppose they will turn liz into another self-destructive maxie. always chasing what she can’t have and hurting what she does.
     
    i actually don’t see it as an alternative liz. she’s been trying to get attention (first her parents’, then various other peoples’) since she came to town. and let us not conveniently forget what the character of lucky has done to her just because of the casting change. liz has been and continues to seek who she is and this is just another case of her doing it. so while this is hurtful to so many people i don’t really think it’s out of character either. most of all she just hurts herself.

    i do wish she’s stop saying every new bed buddy has reawakened a part of her soul or bears the secret dreams she’s always held. that gets old

    by the by, acting aside, tyler isn’t too shabby to look at either so if zander is forgiven based on looks, let’s not have a double standard.

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    ChrisGa

    I agree with what Carol2 said on several points–one, I don’t think Clementine Ford is the travesty-of-a-recast EVERYONE else seems to(hello, she still shares a soap with Amelia Heinle, probably the most divisive recast in Y&R’s history); I actually agree that she works well with Thad Luckinbill as well as Daniel Goddard.  Also agree that while Billy Miller is a good actor, I don’t get all the praise being lavished on him–he’s good, but again I agree with what Carol2 said his work is less a performance than a bunch of mugging and grinning strung together to look like a "performance".  Just saying.

    Also, totally agree about Denise Vasi–not only the worst actress on AMC but inarguably the worst actress working in daytime right now.  Unfortunately, having the worst actress in daytime on your show is the very least of AMC’s problems right now.

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    timepass

    Great list! I am watching the show with a dirty martini! Love them!

    GH did not have 2.0 viewers on any day last week!
    Guza and Frons vision stink, that simple!

    It is a well known fact that character can be redeemed for about anything, and they are, except arming children.

    It is a one way and nobody can be reddemed for that! I was a Jasam fan until THAT and never after!

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    couchpotato7

    2009 Bad Couples

    10.Marina & Shayne GL{he belonged to Dinah you non acting, scene deading, ho}
    9.Casey & Alison ATWT{ZZZZZZ!!!!}
    8.Luke & Noah ATWT {where’s the heat}
    7.Frank & Natalia GL{ bro/sis hook up chemistry…UGH!!!}
    6.Billy & Mac Y&R {he had more heat w/his alley hook-up–HIRE HER}
    5.Cane &Lily Y&R {even the puppy leaves the room ZZZZZZZZZ!}
    4.Brady & Ariana DOOL {Dude you belong to Nicole!}
    3.Doc Evans and Rachel OLTL {good idea wrong MALE lead}
    2.Nik & Rebecca GH {anytime you sleep w/a girl because she looks like her sister…DOH!}
    1. Ryan & Erica AMC RyGrannie this is disgusting in every way possible its like Jessica Tandy and Robert Pattison. :( :(

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    Nyx710

     

    1st… I was happily surprised to see JaSam on the list. Their repairing this year has felt nothing but forced despite the Steve & Kelly’s attempts to sell the s/l being dumped on their plate. I could get over my love for Liason, really I can, so long as Jason’s banging anyone BUT Sam. Each character needs a contrasting character to highlight them. Jason & Sam together are like putting a beige couch, in a beige painted room, with a beige rug. Too much of the same and straight up boring.

    2nd… I just wanted to put it out there that NOT EVERYONE hated the Nikolas / Liz pairing. I’m definitely not one of the haters. While I knew it wasn’t going to last long, much less be the "end game", I still had one hell of a time watching it all play out. If nothing else, it made me like Nik more (esp from a sex-appeal stand point). It has displayed the depths of his melancholy and made his dark & brooding ways much more interesting to watch. (side note: Ethan & Nik on the turret a couple of months ago was like watching a candy-coated fantasy in HD *lol*) I actually believe that he’s fallen for Liz, the first woman he’s really loved since Emily (poor, Nadine) and it’s completely star-crossed. I get the motivation, but to summarize, loving Liz was a safe choice….. in the end, he knew he could never be happy with her. Tyler Christopher made me wish things could have been different for these two. They have so much history but, so far as romantic history goes, both characters could have finally gotten their fresh start. Star-crossed, they were, but a blast to watch.  =)~

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    Nyx710

    [quote=couchpotato7] 2.Nik & Rebecca GH {anytime you sleep w/a girl because she looks like her sister…DOH!} [/quote]

    Awesome. Couldn’t agree more!!!

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    Peaceole

    Well I can only comment on the couples I know. So here is my 2 cents for what its worth:

    Frankie and Randi (yawn I so agree Boring)
    Rex and Gigi/Stacy..the worst ever. I seriously think Rex is secretly gay.
    Nik and Elizabeth maybe its because I can’t stand Elizabeth but no get it does not look right either. And no not even with Lucky either now that Jonathan is back he deserves better.
    Jason and Sam I totally disagree they work well. Granted its a little morbid at times but I don’t think they are one of the worst.
    Ryan and Erica oh God horrible! I like Erica but come on its like pick a man on the show and lets pair Erica with him. I am surprised that Dr Joe Martin was not one of her previous husbands. Who is next Palmer?

    Who I would like to see

    Carlotta and Clint (yes again this time with Saundra Santiago playing Carlotta)

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    Jlive

    Ok I had to register for this one…..

    I am not a fanbase war joiner. People like who they like. Thats what keep soaps going. Love this site even though it has been and as far as I can tell always will be proLiason and antiJaSam. I would fully expect JaSam to be on your list of worst couples because of that fact.

    Although I dont agree…..at all……each to his/her own right?.

    I had to say though that I actually burst out laughing, not at  this biased choice for your list but at the disclaimer that it has nothing to do with Liason?!? You like who you like………..  own it, I do.

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    kyla

    OH thank you! i get it, now i understand why you guys like Liason your all drunk before the afternoon even starts makes perfect sense now- Bitter Lizzards just because Jasam got put on this stupid list that noone cares about doesnt mean they arent the hottest couple, which they are!! oh and P.S Jasam are going strong

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    babyc

    LOL, that picture of Natalia and Frank during the (gag) after glow pretty much shows everything that is wrong with that couple. Just look at her face! Oh Frank, you dense moron, proposing to a woman that looks like that after having sex with you is just plain idiotic.

    I gotta say the lack of Reese and Bianca (Rinks, Breese?) is disappointing. I mean Bianca comes back pregnant, waxing poetry about her "cool" girlfriend, Reese appears and propose to Bianca, like the viewer should be sweep away by their love or something, and then all the bonding and scenes she should have with Bianca she has with ZACH! What the hell? If a straight couple had a been presented the same way as them no critic or viewer would cheer for their contrived "love story." As a Bianca fan it piss me off to no end that Pratt brought her back to use her and abuse her like that. I want the real Bianca back, not the pod version we have had the last few times!

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    daisyclover1938

    Liason has nothing to do with JaSam being on the Worst Couples list?? LMAO!!

    1) the stuff you mentioned about the way Sam re-entered Jason’s orbit/Jake’s 2nd kidnapping, happened in 2008, lol

    2) I don’t get the complaint about JaSam being a watered down version of Mr. and Mrs. Smith because of the "mobtacular activities" The mob stuff happens with or w/o Sam, so are u complaining that the action stuff is better when it’s just Jason, as opposed to both of them? And actually, the moment they got together wasn’t mob related. It was when they were searching for Michael/Kristina and going up against Jerry. Not "mobtacular activities."

    3) The JaSam reunion in 2009 was sexy and had some great funny moments. Even Luke said that JaSam had chemistry and many Liason fans (on DC as well as elsewhere) lamented that they wished Liason had been written that way. I think that says a lot

    But that’s JMO, it’s your list of couples you don’t like… I’m sure if I made a list of couples I didn’t like, lots of people would disagree with it, lol

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    ChrisGa

    On a further note, I guess I was watching a different Y&R back when Brenda Epperson was on as Ashley–I’ll agree the first few months were an adjustment but I thought she did a great job and was a very long way from "robotic"(hello, paging Amelia Heinle AGAIN).  And while Eileen Davidson is the definitive Ashley, uh did ya happen to catch all the frankly awful histrionics that were on display during the whole "Sabrina" haunting and the "hysterical" pregnancy?  THAT was some of the worst acting I’ve seen all year from any show. 

    And on the Rex/Gigi/Stacy mess?  I think the storyline was admittedly awful but it didn’t help that the actors werent invested and/or too limited to carry off the material–I’m sorry, but while Crystal Hunt is scathingly reviled in the press for her "lack" of talent, has anyone seen Farrah Fath’s "acting"?  Maybe I’m a party of one, but I don’t find a whole lot of range going on there–granted, she’s good at the smart-ass oneliners, but  when it comes to actual acting(the episode where Mimi’s drunk is a painful reminder) I don’t think she’s much better than Hunt.
    Lavoisier, on the other hand?  He’s the only thing interesting about that trio–maybe they should ditch the chicks and pair him with Schuyler.  I mean, who says a show should only have one gay couple, huh?

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    GH LOVER

    Sam accept Jason for who he is .. she doesn’t try to change him …
    If Jason will change it has to be on him not because someone forces him too.. ..
    I think Sam loves Jason more than Liz ever loved him ..
    Liz didn’t really fully love Jason because if she has she would not ask Jason to give up his son the day after His father died…… That was not love that was being selfish because she did it so she can still have Lucky on the bed ……….

    JaSam were amazing this year … they were more amazing than Liason ever would

    I was Liason fan but I saw the light ….

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    troymcclure

    [quote=ChrisGa]
    And on the Rex/Gigi/Stacy mess?  I think the storyline was admittedly awful but it didn’t help that the actors werent invested and/or too limited to carry off the material–I’m sorry, but while Crystal Hunt is scathingly reviled in the press for her "lack" of talent, has anyone seen Farrah Fath’s "acting"?  Maybe I’m a party of one, but I don’t find a whole lot of range going on there–granted, she’s good at the smart-ass oneliners, but  when it comes to actual acting(the episode where Mimi’s drunk is a painful reminder) I don’t think she’s much better than Hunt.
    [/quote]
    So true.  Farah Fath turned me off OLTL.  I’m not saying that Crystal Hunt is a better actress but she is in no way, a worse actress than Farah Fath.

    I also think Rex is (not) so secretely gay.  I’ll never buy Rex in a romantic relationship with a woman.

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    sweetiepie

    Season, love you and and respect your opinion, but seriously….this is Jason not, Lucky we are talking about.   as much as I liked GV and KM together, Lucky and the lack of adventure just didn’t do it for Sam, and she admitted as much to Maxie.  Sam has always been an adventure seeker.  Sorry, but this girl is not the brownie baking, laundry folding brownie type. 

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    kyla

    I totally agree with you! Liason werent even a couple for god sakes they had a one night stand- i dont get this fight at all between Jasamers and Liasoners, Jasam win by far they shoudnt be on this list at all- and if who ever wrote this article was professinal they wouldnt be! I love how the writer says Jasam is on the list not because of Liz yet after that statement is made the rest of the article is about Liason- its stupid, then they dare to mention the ratings yet dont take into consideration that the ratings may have fallen because of the fact that those of us with neilson boxes like myself arent always home to watch GH and have to tivo it and guess what when i tivo the rating isnt counted, now with the economy most people have to work and cant sit at home and watch the show live the ratings have fallen for all soaps- furthur more the ratings were the highest the  05 year and guess who was together then youve got it Jasam! th writer also states that the readers of their site are mostly Liason fans yet most of the comments on here are from Jasam fans- i find it insulting that you feel you can speak for everyone who watches GH how dare you instead of saying WE want Liason try using I because i watch GH and I dont want Liason so there you go- thats all the time i am going to waste on this BS- now i am going to watch GH LIVE sp they get my rating and i am going to enjoy the best couple of 2009 Jasam

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    daisyclover1938

    OMG!! I just read the LIkNiz section, lol.  I love how when KeMo fans make the point that Sam going nuts a couple of years ago was about TPTB playing contract hardball with her, (some) people deny it, but the LIkNiz story is all about watering down her popularity and bargaining power. TPTB pull this stuff all the time. 

    Though, I’m not sure about it this time. Firstly, is ReH in contract negotiations now? I thought she re-signed awhile ago? Secondly, as crappy as this storyline is, if we take a step back we see: Liz/ReH has now been made into a frontburner, leading lady, they’ve brought on a family member for her, and they brought back the one actor that most people agree she actually had chemistry with.  Does that sound like sabotage? While I admit I could be wrong, I would argue that Guza thinks he’s actually writing good stuff for Liz. And in all honestly, the character has been in similar situations before, so it’s not that out of character. The evil smirks and eyebrow raises is something ReH has done for years. It drives me nuts, but I know a lot of her fans like it.

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    ad-girl

    8 out of 10 are right on the money.

    I wouldn’t put Jasam on the list because even though I don’t care for them, they do have some fans and surely means they are doing seem thing right.  Just because Liason is better than Jasam doesn’t mean that Jasam is a bad couple in and of itself. Instead of putting them on a worst couples list, I would put Sam on a list of characters with the most wasted potential.

    I also wouldn’t put Frank & Natalia  or Rex & Stacey on the list because both of these couples were there simply to be obstacles to the real couples of Otalia and RexGi. We were supposed to hate Fratali and Rexcey so you could say that these couples did their job.

    Other terrible couples you missed: Tyra/Devon, Tyra/Neil and Adam/Sharon on Y&R, Greg & Rachel and John & Marty on OLTL, and Sonny & Olivia on GH. 

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Smitty if you are waiting for my head to explode think again.  I KNEW this was coming.  Lets see a few of the comments I agree with "bitter jizzers" at least "own it" "drunk before noon" and of course the entire paragraph from DaisyClover about how absurd it is to say Kelly wasnt trashed and Sam wasnt written out of character to open the door for Jiz, but poor put upon Becky Herbst is having her popularity watered down. I would laugh if it I wasnt too busy questioning the motivations.

    Why did I expect JaSam to be named – first, putting JaSam on this list stirs up the base and gets Luke and Jamey the one thing they cherish – more hits.  Secondly they are working an agenda which reflects not only their feelings about becky and Jiz, but also caters to their "pro-liason" site rep/readership.

    I also expected it based on the craptastic "best" list posted yesterday that includes a rapist who cheats on, berates and kicks to the curb his great "love" on a regular basis as well as 3 other cheating couples. two words for ya PUH – LEASE.

    I get not liking jaSam fine, but worst, not buying the brooklyn bridge thats being sold.  How about John and Marty, Liza and Zach, Brooke and Ridge, Donna and Eric,  Greg and Rachel, Bo and Nora, Jake and Taylor etc. etc. etc.

     

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    Beth

    [quote]but Liz has always taken responsibility for her actions and shown remorse in the end.[/quote]

    *rubbing eyes*  My contacts must be blurry, because I just read this and I know I’m not reading what I think I am.  Elizabeth "Mother Teresa is SO jealous" Webber EVER taking responsibility for her actions????  I guess if you think that having her boots licked by any man who’s dared to love her, bringing her brother back for the express purpose of giving her his shoulder to whine on, and generally having the rest of the characters pat her on the head and tell her what a swell person she is "responsibility," then so be it, I suppose.

    And no, I have no agenda here.  I’m indifferent to Sam, have always hated Liz with the white-hot passion of a thousand suns, and can’t figure out what the hell women see in Jason.  But the Madonna (Mary, not Madge)-like admiration for Liz makes me want to rip my hair out.

    And BTW, I think it would be a pleasant change if Tyler Christopher WOULD play Nikolas as a d-bag.  All I see him doing these days is looking bored.  I fully expect to see him look at his watch deliberately in a scene one day.

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    Jillian Bowe

    EET,  chill.. There is NO AGENDA by Luke or Jamey. Its laughable to say so. Hell I’m still laughing at that line right now since your acting as though DC has some conspiracy against Jasam. In case you didn’t know, that’s now how WE ROLL especially NY’s finest (that would be me).

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    east.west

    Sigh…
    But anyways fun list.
    Farah did some of her best acting during that Days mess, but I applaud you guys for calling those two out.
    And Adam molesting Rafe’s bottom lip lol.

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    daisyclover1938

    Jillian, maybe it depends on how you define "agenda". DC is an influential & popular site and some of the bloggers have definitely campaigned to get Liason back. I mean, over time we’ve gotten loads of "Put Liason back together!" "JaSam/Sam sucks" stuff — "If you want Ratings give us Liason" blogs w/ Liason fan vids, etc…  I remember when word got out about Liason ending, Regan posted GH contact info suggesting people write in about it. I think that qualifies as an agenda, lol. I think that’s fine. Shoot, if I had a site I’d be campaigning to get Billy Warlock back on soaps, and yeah it would be an "agenda."  There’s nothing wrong with that, Jamey has said he’s biased and he has every right to be.  EET wasn’t slamming anyone, she was just telling it like it is, listing several reasons why JaSam was on the list and that it’s just part of a pro-Liason stance. It’s not a big deal, imo

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    Frons-n-GuzaSuck

    EET,  chill.. There is NO AGENDA by Luke or Jamey. Its laughable to say so. Hell I’m still laughing at that line right now since your acting as though DC has some conspiracy against Jasam. In case you didn’t know, that’s now how WE ROLL especially NY’s finest (that would be me).

    ————————————————————————————————————

    Thanks Jillian for being the voice of reason on this debate. People have no right to say that they are putting Jasam on the worst couple list just to get more hits or to push their agenda of Liason. That is unfair and disrespectful.

    Contrary to what some of you may think Jamey has said before that he thinks that Sam was destroyed a little during KeMOs  contract negotiations back in 2007. So what is the big deal if he is saying that they are destorying the Liz character to benefit other couples. Guza has made a career of doing that on GH.  Just because you dont like what they put on the list does not mean that it is wrong, it is called an opinion, I think some of you people need to turn off your TVs and go outside, it seems like you forgot that its scripted television. There is no Jason and Sam in real life lol. 

    If you dont like how the site is run then go somewhere else that has your same outlook on soaps. 

      

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    Jillian Bowe

    Look. Jamey and Luke have NO AGENDA! Its disrespectful and insulting to this site and myself to say so! If that was the case why haven’t either one of them said on the blog or in a podcast to call/e-mail/write in via snail mail or vote with your remote to end Jasam and get Liason back?! Has there been a mass campaign to GH and Frons to get Liason back? ENOUGH already!

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    daisyclover1938

    Frons n Guza Suck – yes, it’s called opinions, and we all have them, and…we all voice them.  Disagreeing with someone’s choices on a list isn’t direspectful. Nor is pointing out that Jamey and Luke want lots of hits/posts (of course they do, lol!!) I think both Jamey and Luke would be the first to say that the more comments/views the better for DC. That’s common sense, right?

    And yes, a couple of times Jamey has said Sam was damaged because of contract negotiations but other times he has argued against that and said that there wasn’t a change in her character. So to be fair there is a bit of a contradiction there, which I’m sure Jamey would acknowledge.

    This has been a friendly debate so far, so there’s no need to insult other posters. And there’s certainly no need for you to tell them to go to another site. We don’t want to go to a site where we all agree on everything. We prefer going to a site where we can discuss and debate stuff. It makes things interesting. With all due respect, if you can’t handle people disagreeing over a list, that’s your problem.

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    troymcclure

    [quote=daisyclover1938] Shoot, if I had a site I’d be campaigning to get Billy Warlock back on soaps, and yeah it would be an "agenda."  [/quote]
    Sigh, Now there is an agenda I can get behind.
     Oh Billy wherefore art thou?

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    Ravennite613

    Wow really, totally uncalled for.  Just because your fave got thrown onto this list should by no means give anyone the right to disrespect the people who work hard on this site.  Get used to it to some people even old time JaSam fans (like me) think this 2009 version reeks of Frons BS, who by the way is the one person who probably has AGENDA tattooed on his ass.

    Thanks I love the list, even as a Niz supporter, was thrilled to see Adam & Rafe #1, CBS really loves screwing up all their same sex relationships

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    EricasEvilTwin

    I just saw the other posts WOW…

    Why is it that when pro Jiz folks tout their couple its all about love, puttin on a fan girl hat, being a true GH fan, callin it like it is blah blah blah, but if someone disagrees its being delusional enough to think your couple exists in real life, its being disrespectful, needing to get a life etc. etc.

    Comical
     
    As for a campaign, didnt Daisy just point out that Regan – who I adore by the way – actually did just that.

    There is nothing wrong with having an agenda – but as another poster said earlier just own it. The annoying part of this wasnt JaSam getting named, it was claiming that love for BH/Liz had nothing to do with it. 

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    Starrgirlfish

    The quick one segment redemption of Sam….

    Never talking about their relationship and completely submerging themselves into the idiotic Franco storyline….

    Sam losing her identity by again letting her life completely revolve around Jason….

    I mean I can get liking a couple because you have loved them for so long…..and I am definitely no fan of Jasam, but what TPTB have shown us hasn’t been a relationship. At least not a very connected or deep one. And I definitely can see why they are in the bottom 10.

    And disagreeing is inevitable. But saying there is an agenda….is a little far-fetched. Especially when one really looks at how Jasam’s relationship has been this year. There’s a difference between not liking a couple and a conspiracy using DC to destroy Jasam. 

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    EricasEvilTwin

    How is it disrespectful to say that DC has a pro-liason agenda but its not disrespectful to say Frons has an agenda.  Good lore, I think y’all are getting hung up on a word and distorting it into something it was never intended to be.

    May I remind you that in this very piece Luke writes

    Daytime Confidential has a reputation for being a pro-Liason site. Okay, technically this isn’t an undeserved rap

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    Frons-n-GuzaSuck

    Daisy, I have no problem with having a difference of opinion, I love debating with you guys on Jasam/ Liason and any other couples but their is a difference between disagreeing with someone in a respectful manner and saying things like they are lying about Liason not being the reason that Jasam is on the worst couple list and to say that they are just putting them on the list to get people to click on the site is more than an opinion is insulting someone character and calling them a liar.
    As far as my go to another site comment, it was to those complaining that they dont like how the site is run with agendas and such not because they like Jasam or other couple that are not popular with the staff. THe site would not be the same without but be respectful at the same time.

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    Jillian Bowe

    Daisyclover when did I say that? This is one of the main reasons why I didn’t get into the Jasam/Liason fray. You said its opinions well MINE is that its straight disrespectful to say my DC peeps have an agenda! Hear the key word MINE!

    As for the agenda bit EET, you make it seem like Jamey and Luke are saying to hell with what others think and its all about them. Its not. Because they aren’t towing the Jasam line they have an agenda?! Ok cool, so everytime they don’t agree with everyone they have an agenda. Gotcha! FYI: I wasn’t ON DC when Luke made the statement of DC being a "pro Liason" site. The majority ruled on this.

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    Ravennite613

    Maybe the difference is that I said that Frons "probably" has an agenda you out and out said certain bloggers had an agenda. So in other words as long as DC is a pro-liason site they should never add JaSam to any list good or bad??    Sorry if I believe that people can keep their personal feelings aside, and be partial when needed.

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    daisyclover1938

    troymcclure: I know!! I want Billy back so bad, lol!

    To others: No one has insulted DC or been disrespectful. Jamey has said time and again that he’s a Liason fan, that he’s biased when it comes to it (which he has every right to be). A couple of bloggers have indeed campaigned for Liason (through blogs, posting TPTB contact info suggesting Liason fans write in, posting vids and saying if they put Liason back together they’ll start watching again.) What’s the big deal? How is saying that insulting anyone?? Jamey & Jillian have even said they’re not unbiased like the NY Times. So I don’t get what the big deal is?

    And FINALLY:
    I may argue with this list, but to say that any of us are being disrespectful to people, insulting people,unappreciative of people’s hard work is a bunch of bullsh*t. I’ve been coming to this site for years (and before that the old TFO forums). I’ve told many of the bloggers multiple times that I appreciate what they do, I continue to come here and post/view their blogs as a show of support, I’ve recommended this site to lots of other people, I’ve tweeted their posts many times (in a sense, promoting them), I’ve defended them on other sites that can be unfairly harsh, and I’ve supported them with my money as well (albeit awhile ago, things are tight for me at the moment.)

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    Frons-n-GuzaSuck

    I never had a problem with people saying this site is pro liason but to say that they are lying and need to OWN UP TO IT is not fair to them or to other people that feel the same way. I am a Liason fan and I hate Jasam but the reason why I dont want them together has nothing to do with liason. It is because Sam is pathetic when she is with Jason and Jason going with Sam after what she tried to do to Jake erases 15 years of his characters code in my opinion.

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    Jamey Giddens

    ETT, of course we want hits, we’re a business, but no, contrary to whatever you have been told, that is not what Luke, nor I, cherish most… What we cherish most, is the survival of daytime soap operas, and that won’t happen when fanbases are disrespected by execs, who tear popular couples apart, because they happen to favor one actress over another. If this was a normal breakup, where couples are cyclical, we wouldn’t fight this hard for Liason, but we know it isn’t. Now you can go ahead and talk about my alleged sources, but I have broken just about each and every single ABC story of merit for the past two years, so when I tell you, Fronsie broke them up for HIS agenda, I know of what I speak…

    If we thought loving JaSam would get us more hits, we wouldn’t simply support them because of that factor. Luke, Regan and I , happen to ORGANICALLLY love Liason, so of course, a site where we post regularly about GH, will be a pro-Liason site. Of course we are biased. This is not a national newspaper, where federal law says we have to give equal time to politicians. It’s a BLOG. Perez Hilton favors Angelina. Other sites favor Jennifer Aniston. We favor Liason. Yes, we now have Jillian, who liked JaSam the first time around, but we have never made any bones about loving Liason here at DC, and  of COURSE we want them back together. (Gasp!). As for agenda, I have never so much as met Steve Burton, or Becky Herbst. I take that back, I passed Becky and her hubby in the hallway at the Emmy theater, but the producer who was taking me to my rehearsal for the pre-show said I didn’t have time to stop and say hello. Bummer for me. So no, we have no "agenda" other than good soap. Now whether or not Liason makes good soap is subjective. WE happen to think it does, so we say so. We also happen to think JaSam’s reunion has been bunk, busted and contrived, so again, WE say so. It’s our blog. We call it like we see it. Just like anyone else does on their blog, their show, etc. We have NEVER claimed to be unbiased.

     

     
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    Jillian Bowe

    Starfish THANK YOU! I’m unbiased to say Jasam didn’t have a good year since they reunited over Sam saving Jake after ALL the b.s  she’s done. The reunion wasn’t a organic one and felt forced instead of them working through the problems they have i.e the attemptive kidnapping of Jake and asult of Liz.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Ack I just lost my post…  Lets try this again.

    con⋅spir⋅a⋅cy


    1. the act of conspiring.
    2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
    3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
    4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
    5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

    a⋅gen⋅da

    a list, plan, outline, or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted or voted upon, etc.: The chairman says we have a lengthy agenda this afternoon.

    An AGENDA is not a conspiracy.

    My point is to pick popular couples gets clicks.  Y’all are acting like I said DC is promoting Nazism.  Its likely why couples like Rebecca and Nik didnt make the list.  No one would care.

    As for saying they were LYING, I think thats a little harsh.  I am sure ALL of us at times have said I think X because Y and then a friend says really?  You sure it isnt partly this other reason and in hindsight its a little of both.

    I think its absurd to say its a fair thing to say the site is pro-Jiz and then turn around and say that your passion for them had ZERO to do with your thinking on one of the characters new pairings.  Many times people say oh you just hate Liz because of Sam, or you just hate Sam because of Liz.  I always say no, I hated Lizard long before Sam, but I have never said my love for Sam had ZERO to do with it.  I dont think anyone can completely compartmentalize that way, let alone a group as large as the DC staff.

    So whats the terribly disrespectful agenda I said they have – they want more clicks on their site and they want their favorite actress front burner with a front burner character.  OH MY GOD…what a HORRIBLE THING TO SAY…SHOCKING!!!.  Let me go on record as saying that if someone says I want a project that I am working on to be successful and I want to watch my favorites on screen, I WONT be offended.  In fact, if thats the worst, most disrectful thing anyone ever says about me, I will consider myself fortunate indeed.

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    siomonstuart2003

    Hey, everyone, they ae just onscreen couple and its no use to get crazy over it.  Jamey and Jillian have a good time ribbing each other over it, but they don’t take it to the streets.  I am Jasam and NiZ fan.

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    Frons-n-GuzaSuck

    I may argue with this list, but to say that any of us are being disrespectful to people, insulting people,unappreciative of people’s hard work is a bunch of bullsh*t. I’ve been coming to this site for years (and before that the old TFO forums). I’ve told many of the bloggers multiple times that I appreciate what they do, I continue to come here and post/view their blogs as a show of support, I’ve recommended this site to lots of other people, I’ve tweeted their posts many times (in a sense, promoting them), I’ve defended them on other sites that can be unfairly harsh, and I’ve supported them with my money as well (albeit awhile ago, things are tight for me at the moment.)

    Daisy, not sure if this comment was directed at me but I never said that you or anyone were not appreciative of the site and the work they do but with that being said some people were saying that Luke and Jamey and some of the other DC staff were lying about their whole Jasam is on the list is not about Liason comment and to say that they did that to get hits is a cheap shot in my opinion. Obviously they like liason on this site and obviously they want the site to be popular but to say that they putting them on the list just to get hits and that they are lying about what they are saying is in my opinion a little disrespectful.

    JUST TO CLARIFY I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS A PRO LIASON SITE BECAUSE DUH IT IS. ITS WHEN PEOPLE ATTACK SOMEONES CHARACTER THAT I GET ANGRY.  

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    daisyclover1938

    siomonstuart: we’re not taking it to the streets (brass knuckles haven’t come out yet, lol) but when people claim I’m disrespectful, not appreciative of people’s hardwork and tell me to get a life and stop coming to the site, all because I pointed out that some on DC do indeed "campaign for Liason" (which isn’t even a big deal), then I’m gonna argue with them, lol

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    ashlovesgh

    Mabye it’s just me but I just don’t get how JaSam was "manufactured".  If they truly were manufactured,  TPTB, Frons or whoever would have just put Jason and Sam together romantically back in 2008 when then were first in each others orbit again.  But that didn’t happen.  Jason was still "in love" with Liz and Sam and Lucky were still together.  And after Liason did call it quits, Sam and Jason didn’t immediately jump each other bones.  They became friends.  They were friends for MONTHS before anything romantic happened.  They were not forced down our throats.  Yes, they spent more and more time together, working together, as FRIENDS.  And in Mexico…they acknowledged that their past was messy and that they made mistakes….that everything became complicated.  They didn’t just act as if either of them had not made mistakes; they knew they had.  They may have not talked about everything that went down between them yet, but it has been said more then once that they forgive each other.

    Liason, on the other hand, declared their love sortly after JaSam’s breakup.  Ick.  Talk about manufactured…lol.

    JaSam have only been a couple again for how much of 2009 and they are in the top ten worst couples?  Sigh…

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    daisyclover1938

    FronsNGuzaSuck: My comment wasn’t directed at you in particular, but in regards to several comments made…it was just easier to write a general response than to write each person individually. I’ve always been supportive of DC and all the bloggers and I wanted to make that clear.

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    Starrgirlfish

    Jillian Oh I definitely agree. Their reunion was definitely not organic, how could it be with Sam being redeemed so unaturally quick?

    Also I think it’s irrelevant for people to post about certain other bad GH couples not making it onto the list ie. Rebecca and Nik because people wouldn’t care. Umm…if people don’t care than how could they be on a list of top 10 WORST couples of 09?…..lol.

    Also, I’ve seen many Jasam fans on other message boards express their distate of how Jasam is this time around. Specifically how they never talk about their relationship and how Sam’s independence has been shattered.

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    Jamey Giddens

    Yep, DC picks "popular people for hits", just for hits, which of course is why we LOVE Eric Braeden. (rolls eyes). Sorry, again to disappoint, ETT. We promote the couples we LIKE, if they happen to be popular, of COURSE we capitalize off of that. Trust me, we realize JaSam is popular, online, but there ain’t enough hits in Motown to make me favor them. Cane and Lily are one of Y&R’s most popular couples online, but we have dissed them, for most of our run on this blog. You are making it like we are bandwagon jumpers. Regan has loved Liason for 10 years. Luke has loved them for a long time too. I fell in love with Liason, when Liz and Jason first had sex, sorry, there was no calculated, "OMG, this will be the couple that gets us hits". You just can’t seem to deal with the fact that on our blog, Liason is favored, not just by us, but by the majority of our 250,000 monthy readers. Look at the polls. We did these lists democratically. JaSam was on my worst list, Luke’s and Regan’s. We didn’t "conspire" to have the same people on our lists. I think Todd and Blair were one of 2009’s best couples, but no one else voted them on. As you see, Todd and Tea are on the list. Sorry, again to disappoint. LOL Maybe you will have better luck finding out who killed JFk?

     
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    EricasEvilTwin

    Jamey how come every time you disagree with me you call me ETT.  Should I start calling you Janey when we disagree.

    As for the rest of it, I really could care less to debate it any further.  I am being accussed of being disrespectful and unappreciated, that wasnt what I said but so be it.  I guess its just like Jiz fans to see things that arent there and read into something things that werent said.

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    Jamey Giddens

    I call you ETT because, I am addressing you, and there are tons of comments, and it is so convenient for you to make these large, reaching statements claiming you know what Luke and I are doing and why, then you decide, "you don’t want to discuss them anymore". Well, don’t come in the kitchen if you can’t stand the heat! You can debate stuff all day long, without attempting to claim some sort of knowledge into the inner workings of our thinking. There is no inner works of our thinking. We don’t sit up and strategize this. We have better things to do. We made lists of who we thought were best or worst, cross referenced them, and posted. The End.

     
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    Frons-n-GuzaSuck

    FronsNGuzaSuck & SiomonStuart they don’t mean you its all about me! The agenda pushing broad from NY, who’s conspiring with Liason! 

    i THINK IT MAY BE ABOUT BOTH OF US SINCE WE KIND OF SAID THE SAME THING. LOL

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    Jillian Bowe

    FronsNGuzaSuck (catchy name!)Yes I’m the one that Luke and Jamey are conspiring with their agendas and pimping. They broke the code with our strategy and figured out the inner thoughts of Dc.

    As long as you knew it Daisyclover I don’t need to go over it anymore. 

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    daisyclover1938

    FronsNGuzaSuck & Jillian: With all the posts, it’s hard to know what you’re referring to…but if it’s my post… it wasn’t really about either of you, it was about me and how I think it’s unfair for people to say that I’m disrespectful or unappreciative of DC…

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    daisyclover1938

    Oops, almost missed this: "We promote the couples we LIKE" – Jamey, yes exactly!!! IMO, that’s the basis for this discussion and since it’s something we can all agree on there’s no need for an argument.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    [quote=Jillian Bowe]Look. Jamey and Luke have NO AGENDA! Its disrespectful and insulting to this site and myself to say so! If that was the case why haven’t either one of them said on the blog or in a podcast to call/e-mail/write in via snail mail or vote with your remote to end Jasam and get Liason back?! Has there been a mass campaign to GH and Frons to get Liason back? ENOUGH already![/quote]

    I couldnt get the search function to work on my computer…and though I said I was done debating I finally was able to find the piece I was looking for earlier.

    http://www.daytimeconfidential.com/2009/02/liason-here-and-now-at-dcif-not-on-general-hospital

    Jillian you say the proof that there is no agenda is that no one is advocating for a campaign to end JaSam – no vote with your remote, but yet thats EXACTLY what happened

    The above link is to a video that Jamey posted for Valentines Day.  Underneath he rights
    in part…

    If Brian Frons thinks I’m gonna give up on the only couple in the last half a decade who proved their could still be Love In The Afternoon he has another thing coming! Just look at the way that man looks at that woman and their child and tell me it doesn’t make you believe in true love again this Valentine’s Day. VOTE WITH YOUR REMOTE AGAINST JASAM! Clip courtesy of Reid9950.

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    Jamey Giddens

    Daisy Clover I have no issue with what you’ve said. I just don’t like mine or Luke’s passion for soaps being negated to something like "oh this is all for hits". I wouldn’t do this if it was just for hits. I could do a black gossip blog, etc, and I know you didn’t say that, so this isn’t addressed at you.

     
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    EricasEvilTwin

    One more thing and then I really do have to run…

    When the Carnival story started Jamey you posted a blog where he said

    Jason (Steve Burton) and Sam (Kelly Monaco) may be cute, and I’m willing to admit they have chemistry, but they shouldn’t be the endgame.

    Now you say you voted for JaSam as top ten worst for 09.

    So how does a couple that by your own words has chemistry and is cute make the worst list.  Does that mean all the couples that WERENT on the list are all ALSO cute and have chemistry.  It seems to me that non-cute, non chemistry couples would have earned your vote before a couple with those positive attributes….UNLESS….its your love for Jiz coloring your vote.

    If so, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, I am just pointing out the facts.

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    Jamey Giddens

    EET, I did say that, no need to send out for subpoena, but everything that has come after that point, all the awkward, feeling around each other (when they used to bang), and those annoying little girls pushing them together, and them acting like they were too shy to say they like each other, like they were a pair of 1st graders, instead of 35 year olds, reeked of TPTB trying to create something, that IMO wasn’t there. I buy Sam’s feelings, but not Jason’s. Jason would never forgive her, and he doesn’t love her IMO. It looks forced and awkward. Opinions change from day to day. I also hated Stacy Morasco, and I am sure you can find blogs to prove that, now I think she’s a hoot.

     
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    gh101

    Jason and Sam do belong in the worst and so does Liz and Niz. I don’t know what idiot at GH thought putting Sam and Jason back together again was a good idea. This is so against what the real Jason would do. Sam hurt his son and why does the TIIC and the Sam fans keep forgetting that fact. He told her he would kill her. All this does is make Jason look bad. Add to the fact, they neither one act like they are in love.

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    Carol2

    ChrisGA, I’m glad I’m not completely alone on not thinking Ford is the only reason Billy/Mac failed, or in thinking Brenda Epperson wasn’t bad. I don’t see any big difference between her work and Eileen’s work since Eileen’s return. She certainly seemed to capture more of the character than Billy Miller has as Billy — this Billy is nothing like David Tom’s Billy. That’s the writing’s fault, not Miller’s, but if we’re going to talk about questionable recasts, we can’t single her out without mentioning him.

    Y&R is very good at setting up scapegoats. People will always know to blame Thom Bierdz, or Clementine Ford, or Chris Engen, or whoever, for the continual failings of the writing and producing and directing. And certain other actors, who are far from flawless, are praised to the skies, because they aren’t in the scapegoat role.

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    luvbucket

    OMG…luvs it!
    BRAVO DC!!!!
    Great picks for the Top 10 WORST couples!
    I agree that Billy&Mac, Jasam and Niz should and definitely deserve to be on this list.
    Ugg…these pairings are just straight up painful to watch!

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    RockiDreams

    Worst couple ever was Liz and Jason.  This was one happy camper when that storyline was dumped.  I think Spinelli and Maxi should be on that list as well.  They are awful and just so not believable.  I would love to see a category for the most sickening sweet we are so perfect couple which would be Patrick and Robin – another unbelievable pairing.  But then this is what soaps are all about – you love and hate the characters, and that is what keeps me watching. 

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    Trim53

    I registered to say thanks for the GH part of the list (it’s the only soap I watch closely, so I can’t comment on the other entries). I would quibble with the relative rankings of the couples, but not their inclusion. I’m just a show fan, not really a couples fan, so my comments aren’t based on a preference for any particular pairing.

    I actually thought there was some possibility of a good story for Elizabeth and Nikolas early on. Then it turned into another instance of the writers taking a germ of a good idea, running roughshod with it, and turning it into the bleakest and most frustrating torture possible. Ultimately, though, I think the writing for JJ’s Lucky sabotaged the potential for Nik and Liz. In a delusional and twisted way, I’m still clinging to a shred of hope for them, but only because I’m a hopeless champion of underdogs, and the writers have turned them into that for me through the single-minded and outrageously imbalanced elevation of Lucky. (Also, I just want to start off the new year hoping that the writers might have received a clue for Christmas that there COULD be something new under the sun in PC!)
     
    As for Jason and Sam, for me they’re built on a quicksand of omissions of fact and unanswered questions. There’s no firm foundation there for this reunion because the writing has to pretend that what should have been a defining part of their history never happened. Consequently, they’re just not very entertaining to watch. On screen it actually looks like the writers and the actors are having to tiptoe around too much of the past to make this believable as the great love they’re trying to depict. It’s all very bland and weak. 
     
     
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    megana

     Love the list, and also agree that Alison is missing. She is simply painful to watch in any pairing. Definitely agree with Jason and Sam on the list, Frons and Guza are pushing the "romance" so hard these days it seems desperate.

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    Crusher

    roseblanc thank u for saying what ive been feeling. eet and daisyclover are both nuts, eet showed it by going back for posts which were made decades ago. jasam weren’t on the list so what! they won’t be on it with all that bitching and moaing ur doin also.

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    jlj0117
    As for Jason and Sam, for me they’re built on a quicksand of omissions of fact and unanswered questions. There’s no firm foundation there for this reunion because the writing has to pretend that what should have been a defining part of their history never happened. Consequently, they’re just not very entertaining to watch. On screen it actually looks like the writers and the actors are having to tiptoe around too much of the past to make this believable as the great love they’re trying to depict. It’s all very bland and weak.

    when kidnapping, hired gun toating thugs, black mail, and death threats are part of a relationships demise,  there should be a whole lot of hurdles, and discussions before jumping back in bed together.

    everyone sayd that they want to see them have this discussion, and address everything,  but that is not going to happen. because there is no way to write that story, and still make it believable that these two are together.

    also,  i think it is funny,  that they have an abuse story line going for Sams baby sis, trying to make it appear like they are addressing a serious issue,  while romantisizing(sp?) the fact that sam is sharing her bed with a man that just threatened to kill her, two years ago.

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    Ravennite613

    Crusher & Roseblanc – Way over the line IMO – I might not always agree with Daisy & EET (ok mostly never) but to call them insane and crazy is just wrong.  They have a passion that is nice to see in this day and age.  When I strongly disagree with one of them I usually pass over their comments until I settle down thus avoided saying something in the heat of the moment.  Maybe you two should do the same.

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    season1217

    [quote=sweetiepie]Season, love you and and respect your opinion, but seriously….this is Jason not, Lucky we are talking about.   as much as I liked GV and KM together, Lucky and the lack of adventure just didn’t do it for Sam, and she admitted as much to Maxie.  Sam has always been an adventure seeker.  Sorry, but this girl is not the brownie baking, laundry folding brownie type. [/quote]

    Well, I wouldn’t call Brenda and Robin brownie baking, laundry folding types. My comment was directed at people saying that Sam and Jason are so much better than Liz and Jason simply based on the fact that Sam has no problem dating a killer. One of my issues with JaSam is the fact that Sam supports Jason just a little too much.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Ravennite thanks

    Crusher – I hear you were attacking folks in the YR thread too – is your NYE resolution to pick fights??  As for the older posts, its a search engine – took 2 seconds and those post were made this year/  Since this IS the year in question, why would they not be relevant??

    SKYEBABY – THANK YOU TOO — that was exactly my point,  I realize that JaSam isnt everyone’s cup of tea, but to me Marissa and JR are a prime example of a couple that should have been on the list instead.   Jamey says JaSam were cute and had chemistry only at one point in the year and I would argue that no one at least as far as I have noticed has ever made the claim that Jarissa EVER had chemistry. 

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    Katheryn71

    I have no feelings one way or the other on the Jason/Elizabeth or Jason/Sam topic, but there is no way I would have put Jason/Sam on the list at the exclusion of Adam and Sharon on Y&R. That couple is without a doubt the worst of 2009 and really makes me want to take that show off the dvr.  I already fast forward through all their scenes, which is a shame since I actually like Sharon.

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    keanna

    I am totally with you,  skyebaby416,  J.R. and Marissa definitely should have been on the list. Now that’s a couple that was forced.

    I have always love the passion between JaSam and Liason fans, but let’s not bring name-calling into this please. No one is going to get everything they want as far as pairings, so take it easy, guys.

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    Coffee_Junkie

    Did a gay person compile this list?? What on earth are Adam and Rafe doing in the #1 spot?!? HELLO! They were never supposed to *be* a couple. Adam screwed Rafe to keep him from finding out the truth. It was never supposed to be anything more than that. Sour grapes, anyone? You’ll get your gay storyline. This wasn’t it.

    Adam and Sharon, maybe. Because they’re actually a couple. But my #1 choice goes to Master Cane and Miss *I have cancer and can’t get a manicure* Lily.

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    sassysdreams

    "but our mourning over the loss of Liason had absolutely nothing to do with why JaSam finds itself on our list of the Worst Couples of 2009— we promise."

    Yeah right!  Whoever wrote this crap is an idiot! 

    Liason sucks, always did and always will!  Liz sucks in general no matter who she’s with!  No more Liz!!!


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    doodleynoodle

    After reading a few pages I had to come back to add something…

    In all my years on the internet…EVERY major (all-inclusive) soap site that I’ve ever been involved with has been accused of being pro-Liason.  I’ve been on sites where the site owner clearly does NOT like Liason and the site is cited ad nausem as being a pro-Liason site.  Cracks me up.

    I think this proves one thing…we’re everywhere. 

    And we are many. 

    It’s not a conspiracy…it’s a fact.

    BTW…whoever made the quicksand analogy…BRILLIANT.  A little slice of heaven…

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    doodleynoodle

    Oh Momma!  I haven’t even read everyone’s responses yet…but I can’t wait!

    I find this thought bouncing around in my brain constantly and at the most inopportune times…my mind wanders first thing in the morning, throughout the day and it’s usually one of the last things I think about at night…how can Jason & Sam possibly be together again?  Setting all prejudice aside…I can’t reconcile it for ANY reason. 

    I think Frons and his storyline meddling is the worst thing that has happened or ever will happen to ABC soaps and the JaSam fans should be falling down on their knees every night and giving thanks to God above for him because the majority of the GH fans are still in shock or completely disgusted by his most recent brain(dead)child. 

    The JaSam reunion is doing two things…it’s causing Sam to lose any ground or credibility that she had begun to gain as a viable character separate and apart from her role as Jason’s Head Turd Polisher AND the Jason Romantic Mystique is losing it’s luster…instead of being an anti-hero we’re seeing him for what he really is…a thug and killer.  There’s no romance…only the cold harsh reality of their low life and  pointless, lackluster lifestyle. 

    I cannot believe…for any reason…that Jason would give up everything he’s ever hoped or dreamed of for a relationship with Sam….and….I cannot believe…for any reason…that Sam would so easily slip back into the demeaning role she escaped from.  The humiliation, the degredation and the abuse (however justified) that she suffered courtesy of Jason…and with very little effort whatsoever on either part…she slips right back into her role as Jason’s Penthouse Pet.  It’s disgusting.

    If this is Frons’ version of Love in the Afternoon it is NO WONDER that GH continues it’s steady decline in the ratings.  It’s sad…

    So to whoever compiled this list…I COULDN’T AGREE MORE…I’m only disappointed they weren’t Number 1….they should be able to win at least ONE poll for the love of Pete.

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    Chilly Fan 25

    BAC is a vortex of suck that the writers just can’t stop shoving down viewer’s throats.  There is absolutely no chemistry between BM and CF and their scenes look awkward and forced.  I seriously hope they can finally let that ship sink in peace and move forward in 2010.

     

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    ashlovesgh

    Crusher, since when is it okay to tell someone to shut up?  Or to call them an idiot?  Why do you need to make it personal like that?

    JaSam fans are everywhere too, thank you very much.  Lol.

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    doodleynoodle

    sassysdreams…I’m not into personal attacks so I’ll refrain from addressing your comments.

    However, if you’d like to debate the issue at hand I’ll be happy to consider your point of view.

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    daisyclover1938

    ashlovesgh, thank you!!! :)

    And since someone just told me to shut up, I’ll do just the opposite.  On my list for worst couples: Jake/Amanda, Ryan/Erica, JR/Marissa, Bianca/Reese, Frankie/Randi  (AMC). Sonny/Claudia, Johnny/Olivia, Alexis/Jerry (GH). Brooke/Ridge (B&B), Melanie/Anyone (DAYS)

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    sassysdreams

    DN – With both sides having a huge amount of very loyal fans it is pointless to debate the issue with you.  As a long time viewer of GH (more than 30 years) I know which characters I like and which I like with each other and I also know which actors I enjoy watching.  I never enjoyed the Liz/Jason pairing and I don’t enjoy watching RH in general.  We each have our own taste and sensibilities so we will simply have to agree to disagree. 

     

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    roseblanc

    Ravennite613, you can avoid bashing Daisy and EET but I have the right to my opinion, which is that EET is a nutcase since she/he takes things regarding jasam and liz too seriously.  EET really needs to chill before her/his head combust!!!

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Daisy I agree with the earlier post – please just shut up already you are as bad as that dumbass friend of yours EET.  That and you are right about most of those pairs and well its just annoying how right you often are LOL

    Doodle I posted something in the Debate thread when you get a chance because I dont want to get sidetracked in this thread, but what did Jason give up for Sam??  You lost me on that one

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    BigDede

    Niz is awesome.  True the writing is kind of bad but I love them.

    Also look at the day to day ratings and people will see that on the Niz days (when Nik and Liz are together) those are the highest days!!

    Look at the ratings, it’s the proof.

    JaSam sucks balls!

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    roseblanc

    Damn Sassydreams, I didn’t know that you were that old. I’m more of a younger viewer and I enjoy RH since she and Lucky were the reason why I started to watch GH as a kid.

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    coolblue

    This list was bound to generate a discussion because all couples have fans, and all couples have non-fans.  By reading Jamey’s and Jillian’s responses to the comments posted here it seems that this list was compiled by tallying votes.  Isn’t that the way most polls are conducted?  This is DC’s 10 worst couples.  Other sites may not agree with their choices but it does not matter.  I enjoy listening to the podcasts because it is so evident that the participants are fans of all daytime, not only the popular or their personal favorites.  I enjoy reading their best/worst lists for the same reasons. 

    I agree with Jasam and Niz being on the worst  couples list because they are terrible couples.  Jason and Sam shared ILYs last week, and there were several Jasam fans complaimimg about their couple being written poorly by the writers, or the lack of emotion shown between them during the scene.  This couple is definitely built on contrived plot points and the majority of the audience is not watching them or the rest of GH these days.  Niz was a terrible idea and has dragged on way too long.  Once Luke found out it should have been over.  Luke wants to rebuild his relationship with Lucky, but keeps something that is sure to cause major problems for his son–yeah not buying it at all. 

    I also agree with Rex/Gigi/Stacy from OLTL, and Paul/Meg from ATWT  being on this list.  They are truly the worst couples from those two soaps.

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    ashlovesgh

    You’re welcome, daisyclover!  :)

    Roseblanc, yes you are entitled to your opinion but, I think calling other posters names is taking it a little bit too far.  How would you feel if I called you a nutcase?

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    sassysdreams

    Well roseblanc I’m not THAT old.  LOL  I also started watching as a kid but in the Luke and Laura days.  I never felt that RH was a very good actor and I still feel that way.  So I simply don’t enjoy watching her but in the "old" days I had to if I wanted to watch JJ whom I think is an awesome actor.  At least when she’s with Nik I can FF to something more enjoyable as I don’t care for either of them!

     

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    EricasEvilTwin

    hmmm cool blue you bring up an interesting question.  How many DC bloggers are there and how many of them even watch any one given show?  So how did they keep the list from getting too geared toward one show.  So they have ten worst…was there x number of slots per show??

    So lets say there are 15 dc bloggers and any one given show has 3 slots, how many would have to pick a certain couple to get them on to the list??

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Oh one other thing, since JaSam is number ten any one addition to the list bumps them, so cool blue while I agree with you that personal preferences vary, i have yet to see one poster on here that even is SLIGHTLY positive about JR and Marissa.   I think there was also ONE fan that liked Rebecca/Nik and I give her that even though she typically said kill rebecca and give us back Emily and a Nem baby.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Rosenblanc I just saw your nutcase post again.  For your info, just last week we were in the debate thread laughing at all the crazy nicknames for both Sam and Liz.  If I took it all so seriously then why would I have ever laughed at crotch crickets and Skuba skank.

    Do yourself a favor and know a little something about people before you run you fat mouth.

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    sb_fan

    Wow…I’ve never felt so riled up on an internet discussion thread. I just have a couple of things to add.

    1. This list IMO for the most part is complete BS, I never did get how these kinda lists are compiled..*sighs*

    2. It’s surprising to me how the argument shifted to the name calling of EET and Daisy, WTF??

    3. How some Liasonites think that Jasam and Jasam alone are responsible for the declining ratings never ceases to amaze me. Are u guys serious??? Even when other soaps gets cancelled, somehow users go back to Frons and Guza and how they favor some actors/actresses…blah..blah..blah  Did the ratings just suddenly plummet when Jasam got together? If they did, I must’ve missed that part. Is anybody forgetting about Skate breakup for the adding of Olivia (there WERE a lot of Skate fans), Logan suddenly being made to be a psycho killer, the retelling of Luke and Laura story with the addition of Ethan as Luke’s son, Claudia’s death at the hand of a teenage boy, Coop, Detective Beaudry, and Georgie (who all had opportunity for some juicy storylines) dying, or even the infinitely disgusting Niz? Oh no, let’s forget about other events and put all the blame on JASAM!!

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    daisyclover1938

    Yeah, I’m not sure how debating about a list is "taking it too seriously" and "nuts" but insulting posters is perfectly okay.

    Just thought of another couple, Lucas and Chloe on DAYS.

    EDIT: Great Post sb_fan!!!

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    ladyofthelake

    You guys at DC just hate JaSam with a passion. Time to let it go guys, just let it go. I’m no Jason or Sam fan, people know that. Do I care that they are a couple, no but they have a ton of fans and good for him. I’d rather see Jason with Sam than anybody else on GH. Let it go guys, let the bitterness go, lol. 

     I totaly agree with the rest of the list. Niz is barf worthy.

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    seanny

    Blackjaxs, I  think your post really highlights what’s wrong with the character of Sam and why I could never support JaSam as a couple.  GH really needs to answer once and for all – Is KM a lead or supporting actress?  As it stands, the show seems to recognize her popularity by continuing to pair her with leading male actors, but for some unknown reason they just cannot seem to commit to making Sam a lead character.  I hate the clingly (Olivia-like) Sam that is on my screen right.  Please me more of the tough, kick-ass ship’s captain and lead private investigator.

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    daisyclover1938

    Wait, why would Liason be on the list? They broke up in 2008.

    A lot of people have mentioned LikNiz but I didn’t put them on my list because I don’t really see them as being a "couple" — I guess I just see Lucky/Liz/Nik as a triangle more than anything else. So I’d put them on Worst Triangles for 2009, lol

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    Jillian Bowe

    daisyclover the last time: Jasam’s on the list. All the complaining about it’s not going to make us take them off. It was put to a vote and the Jasam fan (which is myself) was out VOTED. There is no conspiracy if there was, Liason would’ve appeared REGARDLESS of when they broke up. ALL of this "agenda" and conspiracy thoughts towards this list is the MAIN reason why I NEVER said a thing about Jasam and never jumped into the frey and may just return to NOT saying a damn thing also.

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    daisyclover1938

    Huh? Jillian, I don’t care if JaSam is on the list – I expected them to be on the list. My original post definitely argued it, but isn’t that what we do here?? I don’t want you to take them off the list…. I just asked why Liason would be on any Couples list (Best or Worst) since they broke up in 2008. And I never said anything about a "conspiracy." I really don’t think I deserve you getting pissed at me, or other posters insulting me.

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    Jillian Bowe

    If other posters are insulting you maybe they aren’t agreeing with what you say. It happens, they do it to me. I’m not referring to you about the conspiracy, furthermore I am not having posters insult you so can’t help ya on that. *kanye shrug*

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    daisyclover1938

    Yeah, I think it’s safe to assume that if people are insulting me, they’re not agreeing with me. But I wasn’t expecting you to help me out with that, I was making a point, lol. But it’s all good. I shouldn’t be so thin skinned… especially since I’m free to insult people who disagree with me too. Thanks Jillian! Have a nice night! *kanye yawn*

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    soapfan_incognito

    Started out reading the comments with good natured laughs (as a long time Jasam fan) and found that I couldn’t tear myself away from the ugly spectacle of name calling (yes there was extensive name calling, "nutcase" was peppered in freely). While there was some interesting "debate" posts many were downright mean. I think I need to take a break from reading the posts, now I feel icky.

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    Simple C

    To be a couple don’t you actually have to do more than have sex? How can Adam and Rafe be the worst when they weren’t even a real couple? Or is it that this is the worst idea of a couple of the year? That I can get. lol

    And I guess JaSam being number 10 on this list is being generous with you guys. I’ll take it. lol

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    ladyofthelake

    [quote=Jillian Bowe]Yeah Ladyofthelake you caught us! That’s why I posted 2 JASAM videos with one of me saying I AM A JASAM FAN http://daytimeconfidential.com/2009/11/24/hi-im-jillian-a-jasam-fan

    ! BUSTED! I hate Jasam.. .*rolling eyes*[/quote]

    I was being sarcastic. I know your a JaSam fan, I do hear the podcast and read your posts. Why so serious? These posts are getting ugly, nobody can joke around, state their thoughts without people jumping down each others throats.  Must everything, every topic be a fight on the boards? Ya, the people at DC have a right to their opinions, fans have a right to post their opinions. It’s just getting old that a fight always breaks out.

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    Newmanwins

    Mac and Billy were the worst couple of 2009 for all soaps. There was no way in hell this was ever going to work. Y&R should have left this tired expired teen love story dead and buried. I mean it was destined to flop and tank from the get go. This was the 3rd different version of this couple in the last 9 years, and these two roles have been recasted a grand total of 6 times ever since, that is all the proof we needed to know this was gonna be an epic failure. The whole thing was played out and ran it’s course many years ago. CF and BM having zero chemistry didn’t help. The awkward scenes between them were painful to watch.

    The characters are so mismatched. Mac is so boring and Billy is so entertaining. A horrible fit with the actors and characters. The whole thing was a trainwreck in every possible aspect in the acting, writing, and concept.  I think that once you lose both orginial portrayers from a once popular couple, you really need to just move their characters in different directions, and putting the new actors in the same scenes as the old ones made it ten times worse. Cheesy sappy flashbacks. Boring dull scrapbooks. Audio tape of their bad singing. So contrived. So forced. So pathetic. CF and BM failed to recreate these old memories. It was a no win situation for them. AB and DT are the only ones who could make all these flashback scenes click. 

  135. Profile photo of GH LOVER
    GH LOVER

    Jamey and Luke I respect you so much and I love this site ..
    I know you are die hard Liason fans I don’t understand why but whatever ……
    But you are totally pushing the limit here ………
    Calling JaSam bad couple is not just opinion it is because you couldn’t get your way …
    You know there are many JaSam fans here that like them and there more many that are not Jason Sam fan that they are GH fans that think they are not bad at all that they are even better than before ……
    I can give you many sites ….
    JaSam were amazing this year we had them happy and having fun how can you say that the Mexico scenes were bad ??
    they were amazing they both were more hotter than every love scenes I saw in a while
    and what about the Carnival scenes were Jason was with her and laughing . I never saw Jason laugh that much as he with Sam
    and what about the morning after when he and Sam were having fun and were down the stairs were all PC were there ??
    and what about the Spixie Non wedding – were JaSam were together in public having fun and not scared of it ..
    and what about that night of Love that was the most beautiful love scenes ever
    You can’t tell me that all this scenes deserve JaSam to be a worst couple ??
    I am not big fan of Scrubs But I love scenes like that they had made me think they are amazing couple …….

    You chose to put JaSam out of spite not because you looked at JaSam scenes outside side of Liason connection …..
    They didn’t had a chance ……

    I love this site and I am not giving it up I will turn Jamey Regan and Luke to the dark side of JaSam

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    elwood123

    I would have listed Jasam as #1 and Niz as #2 but other than that, the list is correct.  Jasam started the ratings tank, Niz finished it.

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    FaisonFanInTexas

    Holy crap!  I tuned out and missed alot of this but I’m caught up now…

    crusher-oooh, intimidating name.  Why do you have to resort to insulting the other posters?  Nobody is going to change anyone else’s mind, so GET OVER IT!  You are SO uncool.

    roseblanc-Did you call sassy "old"?!  ALOT of us have been watching the show for 30 years or so because we were HOME WITH OUR MOMMA’S watching when we were 3!  That does NOT make us "old".  And calling EET and daisyclover "NUTS"!?  YOU are the one losin’ your MIND!  You are EXTREMELY rude.  We ALL have our opinions on JaSam vs Liason, there is NO reason to start calling people names on the board JUST because you’re anonymous.  I’ve got a feeling that you wouldn’t be so rude if you were face to face with these ladies.

    Jillian and Jamey-  the way y’all get all INSULTED when somebody disagrees with you.  Y’all have been on EET like white on rice!  How ’bout this?  A little professionalism, please?

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    Regan Cellura

    Wow… this debate never gets old apparently. LOL. In regards to me telling people to write in, I did that for Liason and for when news broke that Rick Hearst was being dropped to recurring and when we heard that Greg Vaughan was being let go.  I’m an equal opportunity blogger (I know, I know, not for JaSam though). Yes, I love Liason and no, I am not a fan of JaSam. I have no doubt that most of you expected to see JaSam on this list. We as a team voted. Some of us do not watch all the soaps, some of us do. The DC Team’s lists were looked over and "ranked" -so to speak- and that is how our top tens came to life. Was it an exact science? No. Did we expect to be missing some of your Worst Couples? Absolutely. Did we expect for you to disagree with some of our picks? Obviously. Do we have an agenda? No. At this point, any agenda to reunite Liason would be a waste of time IMO. Jonthan Jackson is back. Frons wants what he wants and it would take quite some time to untangle what’s be written. Speaking for myself personally, if it ever did happen, I’d be happy to see my couple back together, but I’m over it at this point.

    It’s pretty much a free for all here, we are not your babysitters but PLEASE, be adults. Be respectful of the DC crew and ESPECIALLY of eachother.

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    daisyclover1938

    Oh my goodness, is this going to be known as Agenda-Gate from now on? LOL!!

    Regan, I brought up your suggestion to write in. It wasn’t an insult or an accusation. As Jamey said on this thread, "we promote the couples we LIKE" which is fine… I used the ‘write in’ thing as an example of that (and the Ric/Greg thing fits right into that). When EET used the word "agenda" she didn’t mean there was any "conspiracy" – imo, it was just another way of saying that you promote who you like, and are vocal about who you dislike.

    I truly don’t understand how this has turned into, *the people of DC have been disrespected* There was no mention of a conspiracy or nefarious intentions on the part of DC. This has been blown so out of proportion.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Thank you Daisy.  I even posted the definitions of the words to show that agenda does not mean consipiracy.

    I got my hair cut this morning – it was on MY Agenda – it was however NOT a haircut conspiracy  LOL (although now that I have seen how it turned out, I am wondering if some of you got to my hairdresser….hmmmm)

    I am trying to be light hearted about this, but if the staff at DC truly thinks that after all my years of involvent with the site  that I dont respect the staff or appreciate the work, then I just dont know what to say. 

    Moreover, saying someone has the agenda of supporting liason is not a person attack on your character.  Having two relatively new posters going around call  posters an ASS (in another thread)  or a nutcase is a different matter altogether.

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    Regan Cellura

    I took no offense Daisy. I understood what you meant. I don’t feel disrespected. We’re bloggers (I know my hiatus has been longer than anticipated) and we put ourselves out there. I expect to be called out from time to time.

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    Jamey Giddens

    Oh, and I didn’t get insulted Faison For Life, I simply pointed out that EET’s assumptions about how Luke and I do things—based on, I don’t know, Tarot cards???—were off base.

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    dawn9476

    Both Jason & Liz and Jason & Sam deserve to be on this list and near the top. Why anyone would want their favorite female character with Jason is beyond me. He is one of  the worse soap characters ever.

    Niz deserves to be higher. For Liz to go from the disaster that was her and Jason to the disaster that is her and Nik just shows unorginal and lazy Guza is.

    If Guza couldn’t put Liz and Lucky back together organically, then he should have let Liz be alone. Or bring on someone new. Not throw her with her ex husbands brother.

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    siomonstuart2003

    Dawn, Niz is hot and sexy and needs to be a couple.  I like LNL, but they need a long break before getting back together again.  Mostly everyone on the show bang siblings and it is ok, so why not Liz?

  145. Profile photo of dawn9476
    dawn9476

    Niz is not sexy, not hot, and there is not one once of chemistry between Tyler and Becky. And having Liz bang her ex husband’s sibling just because everyone else has is not a valid argument for Niz. It’s just shows you are supportive of lazy and incompetent storytelling.

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    Dariclone

    Great list, guys! I originally thought Zendall would be on your list as worst couple for AMC but I had forgotten about Frankie and Randi. They’re definitly worse! But I still would’ve put Zendall above Ryan and Erica  and I’m a Zendall fan, but they’ve had such a bad year.

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    FaisonFanInTexas

    My name is FaisonFanInTexas, not Faison Forever, but thanks for playing.   
    I am not against taking up for yourselves, but a COUPLE of y’all get defensive and sarcastic if someone disagrees.  Yep, I KNOW WE do it, too at times.  But WHY are you ARGUING with posters who disagree?  "OH YEAH, we do it to piss you off."  Um, just DON’T respond.  Let US hack this out.  Let US argue about it.  You ALREADY told us your opinion, WHY do you get all aggressive and defensive about it?
    WITHOUT calling each other "crazy", "old", "nuts" and "barbarian".

    Yeah, I guess it would be WRONG to show some PROFESSIONALISM at your job…
    What the HELL was I thinking?  Emily Post can go to hell, that’s NOT what I’m about, but being hostile, sarcastic and rude isn’t either.

    BTW-tea leaves…tarot cards…a crystal ball…..mwaaahaha!

     

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    Starrgirlfish

    [quote=FaisonFanInTexas] WITHOUT calling each other "crazy", "old", "nuts" and "barbarian" Yeah, I guess it would be WRONG to show some PROFESSIONALISM at your job…What the HELL was I thinking?  Emily Post can go to hell, that’s NOT what I’m about, but being hostile, sarcastic and rude isn’t either.[/quote]

    ———

    Oh, PU-HLEASE!…..This is a site dedicated to soaps, not the world news. What’s there to be professional about? What would be the point?….."Today on General Hosptial Sonny and Lisa flirted while Olivia got jealous. Now dear readers, I can’t tell you my opinion because some might disagree and think it unprofessional of me to disagree with them."…..*eye-roll*

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    FaisonFanInTexas

    I swear I think some of y’all have JUST WANT to argue! 
    WTH are you talking about?!  WORLD NEWS..HUH?  Do y’all pay attention AT ALL to what is said?  "What’s there to be professional about?"  Are you serious?  I just joined this site a few weeks ago and lately it’s more about attacking the people on the boards more than talking about the soaps!

    DID I NOT JUST SAY THAT YOU’VE GIVEN YOUR OPINIONS, LET’S LET SOMEBODY ELSE TALK!?

    AND, AS USUAL, A SARCASTIC RESPONSE!!!!!

    12 year old "eye roll"…       

     

     

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    Starrgirlfish

    Again, I would LOVE for you to explain why you think it is so necessary to be professional on a site dedicated to soap operas. You still haven’t answered the question.

    And are you saying that your posts are not sarcastic and not in an attacking manner? Because I’m pretty sure using multiple explanation marks and using capital letters is the internet definition of yelling.

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    daisyclover1938

    Starrgirlfish, I’m not going to speak for FaisonFaninTexas, nor am I commenting on DC, but I will make a comment about professionalism in general. It has nothing to do with subject matter of a site or whether we’re talking about the news. A place of work, for instance, usually stresses a professional atmosphere, it has nothing to do with what is actually done there (what product they sell, what industry they’re in, etc…) Professionalism, IMO, is a code of conduct, the manner in which you speak, behave, or present yourself, etc… It has nothing to do with the news. I think you might be thinking of the whole biased/unbiased thing, factual news vs. opinion, which I don’t think FaisonFaninTexas is talking about.

    Again, before anyone freaks out on me, I’m NOT talking about, or commenting on DC. I’m just stating what I think "professionalism" means and how I think FaisonFaninTexas is using the term…

  152. Profile photo of roseblanc
    roseblanc

    Faisonfanfromtexas, you can join EET and rest of the crazies in the Shadybrook loony bin. Seriously, you’re too full of yourself and your opinion of "professionalism" is laughable. Anyway, if y’all crazies were saying all these garbage crap in my face, I would tell y’all to get your heads examined.
     
    Sassy, didn’t mean to insult you with your age but I was just giving my view as a younger viewer. However, you like EET needs to take some chill pills.

    EET and daisy, you crazies are sounding more messed up with y’all posts. Conspiracies? Seriously, get some help before y’all lose it for real. EET, maybe the bad haircut is due to your craziness. Hope you take some more chill pills!!!

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    roseblanc

    ashlovesgh, you can and I won’t care. And you’re entitle to your opinions too!!! Since you and the rest of EET groupies are friends, y’all can all have fun in Shadybrook loony bin!

  154. Profile photo of Starrgirlfish
    Starrgirlfish

    Thank you Daisy. I definitely agree with your comment on what professionalism is. I didn’t mean to make it seem that I was comparing professionalism to only the news. I was just using it as an example since DC reports soap news.

    I think there is a difference in where professionalism is needed in real news vs. soap news.  People reporting real news would definitely present themselves differently from the staff at DC in my opinion.

    It doesn’t seem as necessary to me.

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    FaisonFanInTexas

    No, I do NOT attack the posters on this site.  Yes, sometimes I am COMICALLY sarcastic, about the characters on the show.  I do NOT attack the other posters just because I do not agree with them.  I never said, "Don’t yell."  Find that for me in my posts!  Go ahead….. I’ll wait….. FIND it. 

    Still waiting….

    Honey, I don’t INFER, I say what I mean.
    And when I use caps, I don’t consider it yelling, I consider it  making the word(s) accentuated.   Would you really LOVE for me to explain?  Why are you yelling? 
     

    Yeah, I guess it is wrong to expect people who run the site to be professional.  I mean, after all, it’s a "soap site", why should we expect people to be professional?

    Give me a break.

    12 year old *eye roll*

  156. Profile photo of FaisonFanInTexas
    FaisonFanInTexas

    roseblanc-  Honey, I RUN the loony bin!  You are so hostile and so damn CUTE!  I don’t know why you are so mad and attacking the posters on this site.  WTH are you talking about that we are "full of ourselves"?  Since you don’t KNOW us, that screams, "pathetic, trying to draw attention to yourself".  I honestly don’t even know what you are arguing about since you left that behind long ago to attack the other posters instead of talking about the soaps.

    You don’t know me, I don’t know you, let’s keep it that way.  I’ve got no more time for children.  Whine, whine, whine, bitch, bitch, bitch…….

    daisyclover- exactly right on the professionalism thing.  Thanks, I don’t know why I was having a hard time saying it like I meant it. 

    SO!!  What were wee talking about again….

     

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    dqh257

    I’m worn out by all the GH handwringing…. that being said, the worst couple of the year has to be Sharon/Adam on Y&R, hands down. Sharon is being written as horribly unintelligent (what else is new?), Nick is being written as having never really had feelings for Phyllis, and now Adam is supposed to be a viable love interest after having denied Sharon her daughter and for gaslighting Ashley? This story is more insipid than anything GL aired over its last few months as it limped along toward cancellation. It makes no sense, character motivations don’t jibe from episode to episode, and I’m horribly confused and worn out by all the garbled reasoning for anything that’s done.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    LMAO Rosenblanc now you are pissy because some of us are friendly?:  I love it because  I think your head would explode to know how many of us have either met in real life, skype, chat off site and/or PM regularly

    Ive got an idea for you to consider before doing the internet equivalent of writing a check with your mouth that your ass cant cash – maybe the problem is YOU.

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    ashlovesgh

    No roseblanc, I will not call you a nutcase.  Insulting posters on this site is not my thing…whether they care or not.

    Lol, FaisonFanInTexas…I guess you better make room for me in that loony bin of yours!

    So true, dqh257. Sharon and Adam are wrong on so many levels.  Please, just put Sharon back with Nick, already!!

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    roseblanc

    Faisonfanfromtexas, obviously I don’t know you and I don’t want to know you cause like you inferred…you belong in a loony bin. 

    I don’t care if you don’t know what I’m talking about.

    However, I will whine and bitch at you whenever I want!!!

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    roseblanc

    EricasEvilTwin with the ugly haircut, I can be pissy when I want. I really don’t care you are babbling with your groupies.

    I don’t understand your statement 
     
    "Ive got an idea for you to consider before doing the internet equivalent of writing a check with your mouth that your ass cant cash – maybe the problem is YOU."

    Then again, I don’t really care.

    But, I have to admit, I do get a kick on bashing you because I feel you deserve it.

  162. Profile photo of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Rose I shouldnt have pulled a Liz Webber and snarked at you.  From now on say what you like.  I see now that instead of letting you annoy and/or bait me, I should be giving you sympathy –  I can see where people having friendships on this site might make you feel bad and while I cant do anything about that necessarily I will try to remember to feel pity for you. 

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    daisyclover1938

    EET, just remember I’m your #1 groupie. roseblanc better not be trying to take my place!

    Yes sassysdreams – In our loony bin we’ve got chocolate, champagne, margaritas and buffalo wings. Also, weekend shopping trips and spa days.

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    sassysdreams

    All this talk of yummy frosty drinks finally made me thirsty but since we’re waiting here for the snow to start falling any minute now I elected to make a cup of chocolate hazelnut hot chocolate with a splash of Godiva Liqueur!  YUM!  

    Hot chocolate anyone?  

     

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    sb_fan

    "EET, just remember I’m your #1 groupie".

    Daisy, uhhh…excuse me!! but I’m EET’S #1 groupie. I’m a texan girl and I will throw down if u try to take my spot

    And about that loony bin people keep talking about, i’m gonna need my own room with full access cable and a computer so I can watch all the Jasam vids I want. OH…I will also provide the booze..guaranteed!!

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    sactownfan

     I get – and agree with – most of the couples.  Because most of the couples were "meant" to be a potential viable couple.  But Frank and Natalia on GL?  Frank was clearly always meant to be the third wheel.  The "root for" couple was Olivia and Natalia… but I thought it was great that Frank was the odd man out (literally!)  Frank has been a good guy for so long, you feel for him, even if you knew he wasn’t right for Natalia.  The scene where Buzz tried to persuade Frank maybe he shouldn’t go through with the wedding… was heartrbreaking.  

    So yeah, Frank and Natalia weren’t the best couple of the year.  But they were never meant to be.  But having a "good" third person to this story… it added juice to the story.

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    daisyclover1938

    sassysdreams: that sounds fabulous!!! I’ll take some :)

    sb_fan: Well I’m a Jersey girl so I can throw down with the best of them, lol!! But to keep the peace, and to have access to your booze, I’ll back off, lol!! :)  I’ll go back to being Billy Warlock’s #1 groupie!  And yeah, we’ll have JaSam TV 24/7!

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    BasicBlack81

     Frank and Natalia could’ve been good, but they got ran over by the Otalia train

    Mallet/Marina from GL should’ve made the list–they were a complete and utter disaster and gag-fest

    Frankie and Randie on AMC are sleep-inducing….Cornelius Hunt Jr. is too good a talent to be wasted with that pair….I’ve liked his chemistry with Stephanie Gaschet (Madison) and Ambyr Childers (ex-Colby) 10x more than the snoozefest that is Frankie/Randie….if they insist on the pairing, they definitely need to re-cast Randie in 2010–Brooke Kerr anyone??

    as for Ryan/Erica, I just ate and don’t wanna vomit so I’m not even going to go into that gag-fest…..I actually liked the Ryan/Erica pseudo mother/son relationship they had for years, and was SO glad that they never went there with them–AMC proved me wrong in ’09

    My poor Elizabeth Webber Spencer over on GH….they haven’t known what to do with her since Lucky’s drug addiction/sleeping with Maxie back in ’06….Liason redux was a disaster for my money (despite Steve and Becky’s chem) and Niz was even worse…friendships (especially with opposite sex components) are far too rare in soaps nowadays and Nik/Liz was one that I liked and one that I’m glad they never "went there" with…..this Niz debacle in ’09 showed why


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    GH LOVER

    I want to be in the Loony too
    I am proud JaSam Jason fan I will fight the best I can
    And I have many JaSam Clips and Pics to make the room amazing ………
    and I will also bring Dominos and Tequila … Like a good JaSam night ….

    And the people of DC was it necessary to do that …..
    JaSam maybe not your cup of tea But They are great couple they had more to do than Liason over the two stupid years ……….
    I will mention Liason cos this is the only reason you put jaSam there …
    I was Liason fan but I know JaSam are better ……..
    As soaps watches you should Look at JaSam without Liason because if you will look closely you will see how good they are ………

  170. Profile photo of lel
    lel

    This Liason/Jasam feud is the stupidest thing happening in daytime! Does anyone else feel like me and could give a flying rat about either? Seriously, I can’t believe anyone would want their "girl" paried with that brain damaged stonecold killing void also known as Jason Morgan? What does the guy have to offer any woman except the chance to be shot at on a good day and shot on a bad day. The chance to become a mobster mouth peice. The chance to play second fiddle to his bromance with sonny,  put up with his needy, whiny "best-friend" carly and have to show compassion for the obnoxiously selfish mini mobster, Micheal? All that and a side of kidnapping a few times a year, of course! Naturally, whomever is "with" Blinky at the moment gets the royal treatment because the chosen one would only tolerate the most loyal, caring, understanding and fairest of them all, but wait until it’s time for the break-up, your girl will be thrown under the bus faster than you can "Jason Quartermaine is dead" because we all no Super J’s shit don’t stink.

  171. Profile photo of GH LOVER
    GH LOVER

    OK why Jason??
    1 He is hotttttttttt !!!
    2 after all he when you take the killing side he is a sweet guy , that will do everything for you , he is patient, he will listen you you without judgment ..
    3 he is caring , he loves his friends and he will help them no matter what ..
    4 he will always try to do the best he can and to do the good thing no matter how it is hard
    5 he is safe he will not hurt you as many can …

    There is a reason why Robin, Carly , Courtney , Liz ,Sam fell in love with him …..

  172. Profile photo of FaisonFanInTexas
    FaisonFanInTexas

    GH LOVER-  You are more than welcome to join us JaSamers in the loony bin.  We have room for all!  We are havin’ a great time!  And at this point, we’re pretty sloshed.

    Good job explaining why we LOVE Jason!

    sassy- Oh man!  I missed Godiva Liqueur?  Damn that early wake up call! 

  173. Profile photo of samrocks
    samrocks
    What does the guy have to offer any woman except the chance to be shot at on a good day and shot on a bad day.

    Lel…Your entire post was so awesomely accurate and hilarious, but that line just takes the cake.  I am a Sam fan first, but I also consider myself a JaSammer because Sam seems happy and I support any pairing that achieves this result – hence my first-class ticket on the LuSam train not too long ago.

    But I agree that, at the end of the day, when a relationship with Jason ends it’s the woman who ends up being the bad guy while St. Jasus comes out smelling like roses.  Just ask Robin Scorpio, who was practically stoned in the town square after she (gasp!) told the truth about Michael.

  174. Profile photo of GH LOVER
    GH LOVER

    But I agree that, at the end of the day, when a relationship with Jason ends it’s the woman who ends up being the bad guy while St. Jasus comes out smelling like roses.  Just ask Robin Scorpio, who was practically stoned in the town square after she (gasp!) told the truth about Michael

    Not everyone Mac is still blaming Jason for this LOL
    But wasn’t it her fault she did told AJ something Jason thought was safe ,she did hurt his trust in her ………
    She was the one who did the move …..
    But in the end of the day they both forgave each other common the main reason she met Patrick is her needing to save Jason , her fight on Jason life , I still remember the scenes were Robin , Sam and Carly working together to save Jason life …..

    By the way this writer r is Jason FF …

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    Suz4th

    While it’s not related to the hot topic of the day, I just wanted to sneak in my two cents on Frank and Natalia from GL making the list. I absolutely cracked up at the perfect photo you chose. It reminded me of an earlier episode where poor Frank uttered what was one of the funniest lines of the year, that perfectly summed up Natalia’s feelings for him. He’d been trying for some time to get her to go out with him and she had absolutely no interest. But Buzz kept encouraging Frank to go for it, so Frank grabbed Nat and impulsively kissed her. She pulled away with much the same look on her face, and as Frank later described it to Buzz: "She looked like I smacked her in the mouth with a cold mackerel." Yup, it sure did! How Frank went from that clarity, to the sheer dopey obliviousness he demonstrated for the rest of their relationship, is beyond me. Love is blind, but not that blind! The cold mackerel look made many a return appearance, and yet all Frank seemed to see was a woman who loved him??? And Nat’s hardly blameless, of course. Nothing like finally agreeing to date a guy just to show the town, your roommate, and yourself, that you have a boyfriend!

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    GHvetfan

    GH Lover – Even Jason now recognizes that Robin was right.  Carly has said that she shouldn’t have gotten her children involved with the mob.  Robin told the truth.  Isn’t there a quote about the truth setting you free?  It certainly set Robin free.  If she hadn’t told the truth, she may never have left Jason and went to Paris.  She may never have become a doctor or met Patrick.  Robin was the one in the right.

    I didn’t get past the #10 spot on the list because I was laughing so hard and wanted to read all of the comments.  It was real smart to make Jason and Sam #10 and have their picture featured at the start of the article

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    EricasEvilTwin

    [quote=GHvetfan]I didn’t get past the #10 spot on the list because I was laughing so hard and wanted to read all of the comments.  It was real smart to make Jason and Sam #10 and have their picture featured at the start of the article[/quote]

    Not for nothing dont ya think??

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    EricasEvilTwin

    GHVetfan – I know its good marketing and I dont fault them at all, but that is EXACTLY what I mean about picking them because they have a following and staging it in a way that invites hits (plus using a less than flattering pic) – in other words an AGENDA.  (which again is NOT a conspiracy)

    I got slammed up one side and down the other for being "disrespectful" and yet here is a Liz fan saying the same thing just not using the A word. 

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    GH LOVER

     Well GHvetfan My point was on ,why people say that the woman is fault  in their breakup with Jason is, that in many ways Robin is to blame, she did the first move at that time, she betrayed Jason’s trust , it doesn’t matter if it was right or wrong she did ..

    And by the way I am for one who thinks she was wrong , that was not her secret to tell, maybe if she wouldn’t told the truth Jason would still be Michael dad and the shooting would have  never happen …
    And Carly is still mad at Robin for the same reason …. 

    But it doesn’t matter cos Robin and Jason got trough this and they are good friends and I am still Robin Fan …

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    GHvetfan

    I am sorry GH Lover but Jason should have known better.  This is Robin we are talking about.  It isn’t Carly.  Robin is a truth teller.  He should have known her well enough to understand that about her.  He was asking her to keep a secret from the Quartermaines.  Alan was her go to guy since she found out about her HIV status.  She grew up with AJ and Jason.  This wasn’t really Jason’s secret that she told.  It was Carly’s.  Robin really didn’t have any loyalty to Carly.  Carly treated her like crap.  Yes, Robin would keep a secret for Jason or Sonny.  She didn’t have to keep a secret for Carly that involved the Q’s.  I have never faulted her for that.

    EET – I don’t see it as disrespectful to point out that using Sam and Jason for the cover photo was a smart choice.   Would as many people have clicked on the article if another couple was featured?  I have no way of knowing.  I just thought it was funny.  That photo makes them look really sorry to be involved in whatever.  It didn’t have to be a conscious choice.  It doesn’t have to be a conspiracy or an agenda. 

    And FYI – yes, I like Liz.  That doesn’t mean I am pro-Liason in the sense that you are anti-Liason.  I truly am a fan of the veterans on the show.  My wish is that they were all used as well as OLTL uses their cast.  I am equally a fan of Monica and Edward. I wish they would use Lesley Webber, Audrey Hardy, and TRacy Q as well as OLTL uses Vicki, Bo, Clint, and Nora.  I wish they would bring back Scott and Laura.  I would be oh so happy if Lucy Coe were to come back.  They can’t do that because there isn’t enough room in the Sonny and Jason hour.  For me, Liason represents the history of the show and the natural ties between all of the vet families. 

    I do not want Liz swallowed by the mob.  I want Jason to shake the mob and free the show from bad action.  It is that simple.  At this point though, I don’t want Jason anywhere near Liz or her kids because they will just keep doing the danger dance which was so incredibly stupid.  I don’t have an anti-Sam agenda.  I have a pro-GH agenda.  Sam seems like she is so intricately tied to all of the negative parts of GH.  I just cannot root for her as long as the writers don’t allow her to root for herself.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    There was no accusation in what I was saying – just pointing out that we were saying a very similiar thing.

    And FYI I am not anti-Liason as much as I am anti Liz.  I loved her big time with the early LL2 years.  For personal reasons she lost me when Ric lead Carly to believe he had raped her and Carly came to warn her about a man she saw as violent.  Instead of offering Carly support or even keeping her mouth shut, she first ripped into Carly and then, learning what she did about Ric’s role in that, she excused it by continuing in the LiRic relationship.  No Carly was not raped, but she went through all the emotional trauma that that entailed.  When she left Zander to die and then let Nik initially take the blame she lost more points with me, esp. when Ric gave the order to fire, thus killing Zander. I also didnt love how she left Jason twisting in the wind when Ric endangered Courtney.  I would argue that LiRic killed most of the love I had for the Liz character.   Her actions leading up to the Jiz ONS killed the rest.

    Now that tptb are rekindeling the early LL2 days I find myself wanting to like Liz again, but I cant stop thinking that my poor Lucky is going to be crushed yet again and I hate that as Lucky is one of my favorite characters and I loathe that her character has become stagnant – the same mistakes being made over and over again with no learning or acknowledgement of her poor choices.  I dont like characters that cause destruction and never own any of it and playing the victim to escape blame doesnt resonate with me one bit.

    As for vets – I have said repeatedly that I want Robert and Anna to come back.  My wish list was that either Robert or Sean Donnelly or hell even Jeff Webber be brought in as Sam’s father and then have JaSam pushed out of the mob and into the WSB.  the Jeff character and the Sean character also have ties to monica and monica has always had an interesting relationship with Sam, so I would love to see her playing a roll into helping to establish that paternal relationship.   I said when GV was in the role of lucky how much I want Laura to come back to PC as a Baldwin again with Scotty and Serena in tow –  Serena becoming a love interest for either Lucky or Ethan.    And dont get me started on how much I love Lucy Coe.  I would have loved to see Lucy, even maybe as a Sonny love interest instead of the insufferable Olivia.  I have also said repeatedly that I would like SpinSam to be hired as in house investigators for ELQ as I thought the Edward-Sam-Tracy dynamic was an interesting one and would amp up that aspect of the canvas.

    SO yes, like you I have a pro-GH agenda and I would like to see more of Sam outside of the mob arena.  I love her dynamic with Jason, but more importantly I like her as a friend to Spixie, as a sister to Molly and Krisitina and a s a daughter to Alexis.  I think the canvas is better balanced in the months leading up to Franco and unfortunately that was a less than stellar detour on that path.  I would like to see some of the vets back and a return to balance, but please dont imply that not liking ONE vet, namely Lizard, is being anti-vet because thats far from accurate.

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    FaisonFanInTexas

    EET- AWESOME!! I am with ya on that girlfriend!  But can we bring FAISON back at all?!     I KNOW I am totally annoying on this, but I want my Faison back!  Waahhhh….

    I cannot even tell you how OVERJOYED I would be to have the GREAT Lucy Coe back!!

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    EricasEvilTwin

    FFIT I think new characters can be great but old characters from a show are usually even better.  Rather than always bringing in a new villian du jour, bringing in someone like Faison as part of the Valentin story for example only plays on history.  OLTL does this really well.  Or bringing Robert and Anna back AS A COUPLE might entice Faison to come out of hiding.   I could see Robert finding out Sam is his daughter and going ballistic over her being involved with a hitman.  He gets the goods on SaSon and agrees to bury it if Sonny becomes an informant about weapons smuggling and Jason goes to the WSB.  That would give tptb a chance to have Jason as the danger/action guy without everything being mob and it creates an organic tension between Sonny and Jason that would provide a good meaty challange to their friendship.  

    I dont see why the rumored upcoming Sam paternity reveal  has to be a new character when there is so much great GH history waiting to be mined.

    But I have said all this before.  I am only saying it again because I dont want anyone to take my dislike for one character as being anti vet.  I started watching because of Luke/Laura/Scotty and Rick/Monica/Alan with Tracy interfering from the sidelines.  I absolutely have an affinity for those characters.  I get that Lizard is a Hardy and as such comes with a family history, but I cant like a character solely for its family background.  The Carly thing still sticks at me…of all the characters on the canvas, its her character that should have understood that one of the most difficult, if not THE MOST difficult aspect of coming forward after a rape is wondering whether you will be believed.  I hated that time period like crazy, but esp. that part.  — and lets not forget that while Lizard is a Hardy, Carly is a SPENCER which is just as much a legacy family.

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    GH LOVER

     GHvtefan Again it was Jason secret , he wanted to remain Michael’s dad, he loved and also he was good at that …..
    Robin hurt him the same that she hurt Carly ……..

    About GH history , I am Jason fan and I love the mob side , But I want Jason to be more involved with the Q’s !!!!!!
    I love his scenes with Monica , I love watching how it is hard on him because all the hurt that he did to her , I think people forget that when Michael woke up and his Drama it also infected Jason , in the way that he finally realized what pain he did and how he was wrong when he woke up , and was angry at the Q’s …
    You could feel him realize that the Q;s just wanted to help him and to love him ..
    The scenes when he goes to the mansion , and talks with Monica and Edward about Michael moving in , and Jason asking sorry for all the hurt he did was amazing stuff…..
    It came to the point were Sonny asks Jason if he regret coming to work for Sonny , in  other words does Jason regret being Sonny friend ?????

    I want to see more scenes like this maybe seeing Jason more regretting  on the path he did, and have him more in connection with the Q’s , and than have Sonny feeling envy that Jason is getting back to the Q’s….
    I think Sam can help him she loves the Q’s , and the Q’s love them Edward especially loves Sam , she worked for him for a short time , and Monica really loves her ..
    Sam loves Monica she wasn’t mad at her after the Car accident , she could but she didn’t!

    Here is A story that can be a JaSam and family  ….

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    GH LOVER

    By the way the pic of JaSam was taken from the episode were Maxi and Spinelli both showed up and saw them kissing ….
    Spinelli was so much Happy and he was talking and talking how perfect this is that JaSam came back and that they are perfect …
    Jason and Sam just came back from the Mexico adventure , were they both were tired and didn’t really felt comfortable after they just slept together and Spienlli was talking and talking ………


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    samrocks

    [quote=GH LOVER]…in many ways Robin is to blame, she did the first move at that time, she betrayed Jason’s trust , it doesn’t matter if it was right or wrong she did…And by the way I am for one who thinks she was wrong , that was not her secret to tell, maybe if she wouldn’t told the truth Jason would still be Michael dad and the shooting would have  never happen…And Carly is still mad at Robin for the same reason….[/quote]

    GH Lover…I have SO many problems with your post that I don’t even know where to BEGIN.  How can you argue that Robin is to blame REGARDLESS of whether her actions were right or wrong???  ROBIN wasn’t the one who got pregnant by ONE Quartermaine stud and tried to pass it off as another’s.

    I almost choked on my Sprite from reading your next comment.  Good Lord, are you THAT blinded by St. Jasus?  Sonny and Jason are in the MOB, for crying out loud!  I would argue that Michael would be even WORSE off Robin hadn’t told the truth.  Almost everything that has happened to Michael has been the result of Sonny and Jason’s MOB ACTIVITIES.  To even argue that Robin set everything in motion and is even PARTLY to blame for Michael’s shooting is INSANE to me!!!

    Further, the whole "it’s not my secret to tell" thing is a total line of CRAP.  Whenever a secret has far-reaching consequences, it doesn’t have ONE owner, in my opinion.  For example, how are you feeling about the fact that Luke doesn’t feel the need to enlighten his SON about Ho-Bag Apaloosa?  Technically, the secret "belongs" to Nik and Liz, but I suspect that once Lucky finds out that Luke KNEW and said NOTHING, I’m pretty sure he’s gonna be more than a little ticked.  Here’s another example – let’s say that Ethan catches Keifer abusing Kristina.  If he decides to keep his mouth shut "because it’s Krissy’s secret to tell," how well do you think THAT brilliant decision will go over with her family once the truth comes out?

    As for Carly still being pissed at Robin, it’s not as if Carly can claim the moral high ground here.  Besides, she’s pissed at Robin because revealing Michael’s paternity ruined HER BIG PLANS, not because Robin was wrong.

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    GH LOVER

     Hey Hey Hey Hey 
    I didn’t blame Robin for Michael shooting I would never do that NEVER !!
    SO CALM DOWN lol
    All I said is that we don’t know what would have happened if Michael would have stayed with Jason …
    My opinion is that Jason is a better father than Sonny and would have never let him go without guards …….
    And This is my opinion form the starts that Jason is a good father that will not let his children get hurt this is why I hate Liz for taking his son away from him ……
    If I remember Sam thinks the same as I … 
    Robin is never and will never be  a cause  for Michael shooting and I didn’t mean to say that she is ….

    And also Sorry but when Robin told the truth she didn’t said it because she thought it was the right thing to do she did it so Jason will be her and not Carly …
    to free Jason from Michael and Carly ..

    Carly is mad at Robin for breaking her dream family with Jason that I agree .. and also for telling the something that wasn’t her ,,,,,

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    GH LOVER

     Also that compare with Niz secret to Michael is not the same …
    Luke needs to say something because this His son we are talking about he is the one who get hurt …
    If Ethan will find out the truth about Kris and the Jerk he will have to say the truth to protect Kris …
    But Michael is a different thing … ..
    And in my guess Robin knows that Jake is Jason’s , for now , why don’t she tell the truth to the Q’s they are hurting more than with Michael ???
    So why not OH because it is not her secret to tell right ???

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    samrocks

    GH Lover…You can’t argue that Robin is keeping Jake’s paternity a secret because it’s "not hers to tell," when we have been given ZERO evidence of her knowledge in the first place, LOL.

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    jlj0117
    All I said is that we don’t know what would have happened if Michael would have stayed with Jason …

     

    he would have been in the same life that he is in now.  we don’t know that he would have ended up shot in the warehouse, but  SOMETHING would have happened. anyone connected to sonny and Jason, for any reason, can without a doubt expect to deal with shootings, kidnappings, fires,  and car bombs.

    my only problem with Robin telling, was the timing and the way she did it.

    Robin was waiting for jason when he brought that baby home. He told her the truth standing right there in Sonnys pent house.  Did she run to the Qs?  No.  She helped him take care of that kid while Carly was gone. She lived with them. She watched him fall in love with that little boy.  Carly came back, and things went down hill. Her and Jason broke up. And her and Carly got in to a fight. Thats when she told AJ. She blamed carly for coming between her and Jason, so before she took off to Paris again, she told the secret for the sole purpose of blowing Carly’s plans.  I wouldn’t even have a problem with that……….IF she hadn’t done it under the guise of "freeing" Jason.
    If that was the case, and she really cared that much about the truth, she would have done it the day she found out. Not a year later.

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    GH LOVER

    SamRocks I thinks she know even that we don’t have proof  he real proof But that’s my opinion 
    And as Much As I love Robin and I do but her reason to tell the truth was not because it was right it was because she wanted Jason to be away from Carly that Carly will have nothing on him …
    She could have said the truth a long time before she did but she didn’t WHY??

    And more this is my opinion I always believed that Jason is Michael father and it should have remain that …. and that Michael would still be better if he was under Jason care..
    I hate that Jason is with Michael and all the kids but not with  his own son …

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    samrocks

    To be fair, what woman OTHER than Courtney would have wanted to solidify Carly’s hold on Jason?

    I guess Robin spilling the beans doesn’t bother me because, at the end of the day, had Carly NOT LIED in the first place, then Robin wouldn’t have been able to take advantage of the info.  It’s as ridiculous as her coming after Kate for sleeping with Jax…when she and Sonny set everything in motion by bumping uglies in the back of that limo.

    The best way to make sure that someone like Robin is never in a POSITION to blow your life apart is to stop doing DUMB stuff, LOL.  That’s how Liz was able to control Sam to some extent during part of the LuSam relationship.  It’s how Gisele (or Clarice?) was able to get Kate to do her bidding.  It’s how Claudia (of all people) was able to keep Olivia on a short leash. 

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    EricasEvilTwin

    [quote=jlj0117]my only problem with Robin telling, was the timing and the way she did it.

    Robin was waiting for jason when he brought that baby home. He told her the truth standing right there in Sonnys pent house.  Did she run to the Qs?  No.  She helped him take care of that kid while Carly was gone. She lived with them. She watched him fall in love with that little boy.  Carly came back, and things went down hill. Her and Jason broke up. And her and Carly got in to a fight. Thats when she told AJ. She blamed carly for coming between her and Jason, so before she took off to Paris again, she told the secret for the sole purpose of blowing Carly’s plans.  I wouldn’t even have a problem with that……….IF she hadn’t done it under the guise of "freeing" Jason.
    If that was the case, and she really cared that much about the truth, she would have done it the day she found out. Not a year later.
    [/quote]

    I was just going to ask how she revealed the paternity secret because I thought I remembered that at the time that it felt like it was out of anger with Carly.  I am glad that you remember the details.  I love Robin and I love Carly so when they feud its a challenge, but yeah I remember thinking that if she felt it was morally right she should have told before she starting planning to raise the child with Jason and I agree that she had some culpability in the sense that she let Jason get attached.

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    EmpireMunchies

    The fact that no one has even mentioned Adam and Rafe shows me that they don’t belong on the list.  They were not a couple by any stretch of the imagination. 

    I also think Frank and Natalia needed to be further up the list like around 6th or so. 

    I’m also shocked that Sharon-Adam didn’t make the list at all. 

    I think CF gets unfair blame for the failure of Bac redux #2.  The writing hasn’t been there and neither is the chemistry coming from Billy Miller’s end.  Please Y&R just put Mac with JT.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Oh SNAP just read Sam rocks post and have to defend my gal a bit.  YES I agree Cary was a mess and all over the place with the lying HOWEVER she was also right about one thing…she said the men involved would go after the baby and the minute she and Tony split he indicated he wanted full custody.  The minute AJ found out, he too wanted full custody – or hey you can sleep with me and marry me and THEN I will let you see your son.

    As far as Michael being better off-who knows.  Emily came to the Q house as a pre-teen and only a few years later she was so high she nearly fell off the roof.  Even Edwards children didnt raise their kids in that house.  And at a certain age the Qs would have had a hard time keeping michael from his mother.  How messed up would he be by then – denied a mother who then goes off and has a family and children she keeps.  WHY DIDNT YOU RAISE ME…because your father kept me from you.  Moreover the only times AJ was ever able to stay sober was when he was OUT of that house.  How long til he slipped. 

    Michael MIGHT have been better off but we cant know that for sure, just like we dont know if he would have been better off with Jason over Sonny.  I do however agree with GH lover that Jason would never have let Michael run around the warehouse without guards securing the location.

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    GH LOVER

     EET I LOVE YOU LOVE YOU 
    Your post is dead on ….

    I love Robin Carly and Sam and of course I love JASON …..
    So for me this debate is hard  cos I love all of them and  I will always say that Michael is Jason son and he would have been better with him than with Sonny and AJ and the Q;s 
    I am sorry all as much as I love the Q;s they are really not the perfect family …
    Everyone there is more messed than anyone  …
    And Michael will not be different ……
    Think If Alan and Monica would have smacked AJ like Jason did to Michael maybe he would not been drinking that much …
    But who knows what would have been ??

    I will still love Robin Carly Sam and Jason 

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    samrocks

    EET…but can you really blame AJ?  If I were him, I probably would have been gone bat-s**t crazy on her too!  Given the lengths she’d gone to to keep Michael’s paternity a secret, it’s not as if simply asking Carly to play nice would have been effective.

    And while it’s true that the Quartermaines are not going to be voted Family of the Year anytime soon, I think they are STILL preferable to Sason.  Look at it this way, the Quartermaine drama stems from (mostly) typical rich-family disputes.  The Corinthos-Morgan Organization drama stems from the fact that their business is violent in nature.  The first rebuttal is always, "But Sonny and Jason LOVE those children, and we know they would move heaven and earth to keep them safe," and although it is true, it oversimplifies things.  In their business, danger and violence are the NORM. If danger and violence are to be expected, then what would make Sason think that their families should be the exception and not the rule?

    I have NEVER questioned Sason’s love for Michael & Morgan, but did that stop Michael fom getting shot?  Nope.  Did their *stellar* examples do anything more than glamorize the mob lifestyle?  Nope.  Was that pure love enough to make Michael take responsibility for shooting Kate?  Nope.  And that last thing set in motion a chain of events that would end in that same well-loved young man taking another person’s life before he was even old enough to VOTE.

    Now, most of you know how I feel about the Hypocritical Duo (Alexis and Jax), but Morgan, Krissy, and Molly have experienced significantly fewer traumas when their lives do not revolve around their mobtastic fathers.  I guess for me it boils down to the fact that Sason’s chosen profession mean that WHEN a child is endangered, then it is almost GUARANTEED that the danger will be in the form of a physical threat.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Morgan really has only been away from Sonny now for two years and he still sees Sonny regularly.  And I guess he is the prime example.  We just really cant know.  Had AJ been able to keep Michael, would that in and of itself kept him from going off the deep end the way he did when he kidnapped Michael and Kristina. Who knows.  And while many of the q disputes are rich folk problems, lets not forget AJ blew up a warehouse, Alan dropped a roof on monica and went after Monica and Rick with a gun, and Tracy withheld Edwards pills in the hopes he was dying as just  a few examples.  Maybe Michael wouldnt have gotten shot, but maybe instead he would be an alcoholic.

    And while I agree that AJ had every right to be angry, there wasnt one moment during that process that he stopped to consider Michael’s needs. AJ was clear that a big part of why he wanted Mikey wa because it would get him back at the helm of the ELQ.   Plus I think forcing a woman to bed you in order to see her son is skeezy to the nth degree.  Carly did well to get around that but I think she had to give in at one point.

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    jlj0117
    lets not forget AJ blew up a warehouse, Alan dropped a roof on monica and went after Monica and Rick with a gun, and Tracy withheld Edwards pills in the hopes he was dying as just  a few examples.

     

    man i miss them. :(

     
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    samrocks

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]And while I agree that AJ had every right to be angry, there wasnt one moment during that process that he stopped to consider Michael’s needs. AJ was clear that a big part of why he wanted Mikey wa because it would get him back at the helm of the ELQ.   Plus I think forcing a woman to bed you in order to see her son is skeezy to the nth degree.[/quote]

    EET...At the end of the day, my biggest problem is that the writers seem to believe that Sonny swooped in and saved the day when he rescued Carly and Michael from big, bad AJ, and that is just CRAP, in my opinion.

    For example, how many times have we seen SONNY put his children’s needs first – or even considered them at all, LOL?  He sure wasn’t considering them back when his go-to move was to demand a divorce and seek full custody whenever she "betrayed" him.  He definitely wasn’t considering Michael’s needs when he "left" the mob, yet somehow became entangled with Karpov.  And let’s not pretend that him signing away his rights after Michael was shot was a selfless move either; Carly was about to run, and Jason was willing to give him the business back in exchange for signing them away.

    Sonny has repeatedly acted like a selfish a** over he years when it came to Carly and the boys, yet somehow I’m supposed to believe that he is the clear winner?  Uh-uh.  IMO, Sonny is basically a sober version of AJ.  The actions may differ – obviously, but the motivations and the negative impact on their loved ones is practically identical.

    (And I’ll just hold my tongue for now about Mr. Jason "I-only-tell-the-truth-and-let-people-make-their-own-decisions-unless-I-really-REALLY-need-to-lie-or-I-really-REALLY-need-someone-to-do-what-I-tell-them-to-do" Morgan.)

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    EricasEvilTwin

    I dont disagree with you – sonny and Jason did not save the day, but AJ wasnt snow white either.  It seems most people are on one side or the other without recognizing that both sides were deeply at fault.  That whole time period IMHO not ONE of the adults involved purely had Michaels interests at heart.  I wished Anna Lee had been younger/in better health because pre-wheelchair Lila would have laid the smack down on all parties.  She would have ended up with custody and told Carly and Jason to move in to the mansion til they could sort their crap out.  She would have kicked Edwards rear end for using the boy and AJ as a pawn and while she would have flirted shamelessly with Sonny, in the end he would have been on the doorstep peering in  – that would have been as close as he got to Michael.

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    samrocks

    Your scenario is so beautiful it brought tears to my eyes, LOL.  Of course, you KNOW who I blame at the end of the day.  That’s right, Ms. Caroline Bensen.  She wouldn’t know a healthy relationship if it bit her on the ass.  Once she aligned herself with who she believed was the more powerful man (Sonny), the deal was done, and it was only a matter of time before her children would have to pay for her choices.

    (*runs away so EET can’t attack*)

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    GH LOVER

     OK Here is the Jason Side comes 
    Jason always put Michael needs above his own….
    He always thought he did what is best for Michael wrong or Better ..
    he always tried that Michael  will have the family he Thought  Michael needs Sonny and Carly and he always tried to make them stay together  .. 
    And of course he was wrong and he himself admitted that he should have never convince Carly to stay with Sonny ….
    But don’t you remember the first reason Sam and Jason got together was that Michael will have his family together and that Sam’s baby will be burn with his mother by his side and his father around him ..
    In many ways Jason gave up his needs and life so that Michael will still have his family ..
    and that Got JaSam together so it is not bad thing LOL
    But over the years Jason did put Michael  first , he gave him up and helped Sonny get him so Michael can have family …..
    After Michael got shoot Jason toke the blame on himself and he helped Carly get the custody over the kids, and when Michael woke up Jason convinced Sonny to let Michael stay at the Q;s …..
    In more ways Jason always put Michael needs first he always was the one who brought him home ….
    Again the Q’s are not Perfect everyone than comes form them is crazy LOL
    AJ had troubles , and in many ways he did wanted to use Michael as his power to gain ELQ , and to be favorite on Edward’s eyes is that better for a  child??
      


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    EricasEvilTwin

    Samrocks you SHOULD run away.  LOL  Yes, Carly made mistakes, lets not forget though her age, the trauma that she went through right before she came to Port Chuckles and her very real fears that she would lose custody.  Add to that her feelings for Sonny and Jason and the unplanned pregnancy – to me she had some difficult choices in front of her.

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    GH LOVER

     And Sam rocks you as I are JaSam fan .. 
    And Sam always wanted to have  Jason child she always believed that Jason will protect his family ..
    And I have a feeling she still does 
    what will you say if Sam will *Please let her will* get Pregnant ??
    I think Sam will stayed  with Jason and will not let him turn his back on her and her child..

     what do you think??  want JaSam family i think they will be perfect and the Q;s will be more because Sam will let Edward and Monica be near her child  

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    jlj0117
    to me she had some difficult choices in front of her.
     

    yes. and she kept making the wrong ones. over and over again.  after the whole michael fiasco,  you think she would have learned her lesson.  but instead she married one man, while seducing another, got pissed at the other guy, slept with his best friend, got pregnant, and hatched some scheme to sleep with AJ,  and pass yet ANOTHER mans child off, as someone elses.  Sonny blew that bright idea out of the freakin water,  thank God.

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    FaisonFanInTexas

    Oh god I miss the BEAUTIFUL Anna Lee (Lila).  You’re so right, she would be layin’ the smackdown on these people.  I also love how she always loved the bad boys in town, Sonny, Luke..  That was great!

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    EricasEvilTwin

    jlj  I dont deny that but again in Carly’s defense she was all of about 18 and up against some pretty powerful people. Plus she was still reeling from finding out Bobbie had given her up for adoption, her bff’s father molesting her and then watching said friend crash and "die" after finding out about the situation.  To her credit, I think she is a much better person, friend, partner and mother than she was back then.  Unlike other characters on the canvas, Carly TRIES to learn from her mistakes.

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    jlj0117
    I dont deny that but again in Carly’s defense she was all of about 18
     

    when she first came to town she was all of 18.  by the time she had michael, married AJ, and got pregnant by Sonny,   she was of age.  

    Carly TRIES to learn from her mistakes.
     

    correction.  she either relies on Jason to stop her from doing stupid things,  or she relies on him to fix it after she does.

    i love Carly.  i love the way she loves her kids. i love the way hse loves her friends.  but sometimes,  my husband has to stop me from throwing something at the TV because of her.  same with Liz.  I swear,  sometimes I just want to jump in the screen and shake both of my girls.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    See I dont see her going to Jason as much – and honestly I dont think there is anything immature about knowing you are about to do something stupid and going to your bff for perspective.  The difference again is that Carly picks someone as her bff that kicks her in the ass when she needs it.  If only Lizard had that.   I SO wanted Robin to say HAVE YOU LOST YOU FLIPPIN MIND when Lizard was waxing poetic about nic the bic flicker.  And what if she had called a bff and said remind me to count to ten before I leave my child sitting in this hospital room so I can go get my groove on with the Parapet Prince.  I am not saying that she is perfect but she seems to have learned more about herself than many.

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    paganalexandria

    I am sorry but there is no way on earth Jasam should be on this list.  That pink tie moment alone at Spixie’s non-wedding assured them exclusion from this list.  I am sorry that Liason didn’t make it, but judge fairly  please. Hate is not a good color on you.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    I chuckle every time someone says that poor put upon Liz is being written in a bad light.  This is SOP for the character.  And besides dont all characters get written behaving badly/stupidly from time to time?  Why should only this one character be exempt from that?  How about Carly fans having to endure her cheating on Jax with Sonny in the limo?  Or Alexis fans shaking their head at her being a Kiefer cheerleader when even Morgan has clued in that Kiefer is no good.  Robin fans had to watch their fave put her infant in a tree during the middle of a snow storm.  Maxie slept with creepy Franco and then spent three weeks begging Spin to sleep with Anne Hathaway – I cant imagine there are many Maxie fans loving that aspect of things.  And dont even get me started on what Sam fans had to endure to make the inorganic Jiz pairing even remotely believable.  And thats JUST the women.  Does Sonny get painted in a good light when he is wandering around clueless to Claudia actions (I NEED PROOF) right after he killed Karpov with no evidence at all or the fact that he still hasnt picked up on the Olivia/Dante/cop in the midst vibe going on.  Do you think Lucky fans like that he is walking around clueless to the Niz betrayal.  And if Lizard is being tarnished by this storyline, what about the character of Nik?  I havent been wild about him in ages but now I downright hate the site of him on my screen.  Luke keeping the secret isnt warming my Luke loving heart either.

    If every character behaved ideally all of the time there would be no show.

    And this isnt JUST GH.  As a big time Cramer family fan, I hate that Dorian is doing Mitch’s bidding and Blair is acting like a footstool to her abusive ex while he lusts after another woman (after loosing John McBain to blah Marty).  And while Clint is focusing on getting revenge against Bo (who actually did Clint a favor by taking the boring Nora off his hands)  Clint isnt spending one second worrying about the danger posed by Mitch Lawrence.

    Over on AMC – ask this Kendall Hart Slater fan what she thought of how tptb did her girl wrong last year and you will get an EARFUL, not to mention what they have done to my twin by having LaKane moopy over the likes of Ryan.  She looks RE-DONK-U-LOUS.

    In fact, I would bet a lot of the fans of the characters that made this list are less than thrilled about huge chunks of the story written for their faves.

    So again I ask, why is Lizard exempt??  It seems Lizocritical to me.

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    Cyberologist

    Jason in his current pairing and the Elizabeth skank-A-lot storyline are both just godawful..and deserves to be on the list…

    .I’m not saying this as a shipper of Elizabeth/Jason mainly because I supported all his pairings (even Courtney who I only didn’t like because he had done enough damage to AJ taking his son then shagging his wife was a bit much) except this one from jump street.  

    Sorry but the heavy duty Frons pimphand is such a huge turn-off for me…I sat through them their first, second round I watched them.
    no problem…

    But I’m not watching another round of them.  Looks like I’m not alone since GH is currently #6 and they’ve been tanking since last November..and I don’t know why they have to be on "every day" (nearly) with her latched on him like a festered sore (I’ve never seen anything like this in my history of watching soaps and its totally ridiculous)

    trying to sell them to the masses as the dynamic duo of GH. 
    The revolving redundant save-a-day HeRo is and hasn’t worked let it go…The Perils of Pauline tied up on the railroad track, down in a pit, behind a glass has "played out" .

    its the "politics" of them that I find nauseating. You don’t have to pimp and prop with special writing just tell a believable story and this one is totally not believable.

    Elizabeth and Nik storyline is horridly written with Elizabeth being written with a negative focus to split her huge LIason fanbase IMO.  Now she goes three ways, Nik, Jason, Lucky.  That’s all this is for me.
     

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    jlj0117
    n fact, I would bet a lot of the fans of the characters that made this list are less than thrilled about huge chunks of the story written for their faves.

     

    hence the reason most of the soaps are tanking this year.

    you just proved everybodys point.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    But Cyber is bemoaning ONLY the Liz aspect.  Where were these same complaints when the show had Sam suddenly become an accomplice to a babynapping and Claudia become the woman that ordered a hit that left Michael in a coma.  Where was the outcry over all these other issues.

    I have never said GH couldnt use a ton of improvement.  But the idea that one character is sacred and should never be a cheater is absurd – esp. when that particular character has a HISTORY of cheating.  And I have said that many of these stories are great in concept – Robin having PPD for example – and horrible in execution.  I am sure many Robin fans only want her cast in a positive light, but the PPD COULD have been meaty.

    Moreover while the fans of that particular character may want there character to be only seen as perfect the overall show would be boring otherwise if every character was written as saintly..  The Niz story is gross but it could lead to great story for Lucky and I loved the Rebecca vs.Lizard aspect.  Had they given us that Rebecca from the start I would have loved it and her last weeks had me totally converted on the character since she FINALLY had a SPINE.  I may hate Luke right now for keeping the secret from Lucky BUT if it leads to a turn around in the Luke/Lucky dynamic (which I think had gotten stale) it might be a good thing.  I hate the things Jax has been doing lately, but I have to admit it was interesting to me to watch what Carly was going to do when the Claudia/Jerry truth came out  and I cant wait to see what she is going to do about Dante/Jax.

    Finally, you say no wonder the soaps are tanking.  I have said this before but its baffling that ratings seems to have little correlation to the quality of the storylines.  OLTL is well written but it just never gets out of the basement (even with Tarty over) .  AMC and GH are roughly tied these days and yet there is NO comparison betweent the quality of writing between these two shows – GH is infinately better.

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    GHvetfan

    EET –  Yes, Liz fans are complaining about Liz’s current story.  They didn’t complain about Sam, Carly, or Maxie because they left that for those fans.  You got to complain about Sam’s writing.  Why begrudge others their chance to vent?  I don’t think the majority of Liz fans are saying that other characters have never been written out of character.  They just feel more strongly about Liz because they care about Liz.  I don’t think Liz has a history of cheating as you put it.  She slept with Jason after Lucky cheated.  There is nothing in her history that would lead the audience to suspect that she suddenly wants Nikolas and can’t live without him.  It was completely out of the blue.  She doesn’t have the same history as Carly who jumped from Jason to Tony to AJ to Sonny in a really short span.  That isn’t Liz.  Nikolas is her brother-in-law and her best frinds love of her life.  Why has she suddenly developed a yen for the dude?  It is because the writers do not understand subtlety and a slow build to a story.  It is completely out of left field.  Put aside your Liz hatred for even a moment and I think you would see that. 

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    sassysdreams

    EET – Is it at all possible that the ratings on each show reflect more their time slot on the air then their actual storylines?  I know they don’t count people who tape the shows to watch later or those that watch them on Soapnet or the internet when it’s more convenient for their schedules.
     

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    daisyclover1938

    The Nielson ratings system is so inadequate it’s not even funny. Quite awhile ago we got into a discussion about the ratings and a poster (whose name I forget) and Jamey both confirmed that the number of people participating are approximately 9,000 households/18,000 people. That’s IT!!  And let’s keep in mind, not only do DVR and Tivo viewing have to be the same day, but they don’t even count all the Nielson DVR/Tivos, just a select few.

    Unfortunately, that’s what the advertisers go by. So all of us who are not Nielson households don’t count. YouTube doesn’t count. Watching soaps on the network site doesn’t count (though I’m sure it’s "noted" by TPTB). SoapNet doesn’t count. DVR/TIvo doesn’t count, etc…

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    samrocks
    …the number of people participating are approximately 9,000 households/18,000 people. That’s IT!!

    Daisy…As long as it is a representative sample in terms of demographics, then it doesn’t matter if there are only a few thousand households involved in the data collection process.  I don’t claim to have any inside (or even BASIC) understanding of the ins and outs of Nielson ratings, but I can say with 100% confidence that , when it comes to using sample data to estimate a population’s behavior, sample size alone is an insufficient basis by which to judge the study.

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    samrocks
    Unfortunately, that’s what the advertisers go by. So…YouTube doesn’t count. Watching soaps on the network site doesn’t count (though I’m sure it’s "noted" by TPTB). SoapNet doesn’t count. DVR/TIvo doesn’t count, etc…

    But if the ratings are used for advertising purposes, then keeping track of YouTube views, network site views, and DVR episodes viewed 2+ days later DOESN’T make sense, IMO.

    We all know that the YouTube clips contain content only – no commercials, and network sites show only 2.5 or so minutes of MANDATORY (i.e., no FF options) commercials.  And, unless I happen to be watching something in real time, I DEFINITELY don’t watch the commercials; in fact, sometimes I’ll start a show 12-15 minutes later just so I can skip them.  So, from that perspective, why SHOULD these different media outlets be used to entice companies to spend their advertising dollars…when they involve viewers with an almost complete AVOIDANCE of commercials?

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    daisyclover1938

    samrocks, so that I’m understanding you – you’re saying that measuring 18,000 people (or 200 people for that matter) is an accurate measurement of everyone’s viewing behavior as long as the demos in the sample are of equal proportions to what they are for the group they’re representing? (sorry, that’s the best way I can word it, lol). If that’s the case, wouldn’t it still seem probable that measuring 100,000 people would most likely lead to a more accurate measurement than 18,000? Just like 18,000 would be more accurate than measuring 1,000? I find it hard to believe that the number of people has absolutely no bearing whatsoever. Because, if I’m understanding you correctly, you’re arguing that the sample of 1,000 would have the exact same results as the sample of 18,000 which would have the exact same sample of 100,000.

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    daisyclover1938

    samrocks, from the advertisers perspectives, they shouldn’t care about YouTube, DVR/Tivo, etc… I didn’t mean to imply that they should. When I said "unfortunately" I meant that it’s unfortunate that these stats don’t matter at all in terms of advertising.

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    sassysdreams

    I’m sorry but I still think that the ratings system is outdated and does not present a true and correct overview of the soap industry.  It was created back in the 50’s or 60’s so how could it possibly still be relevant for today’s industry? 

    Have any of you ever participated in the Neilsen’s program?  I did back in the 70’s and it was a joke.  It was lengthy and burdensome to fill out the daily questionaire and eventually it was such a time consuming undertaking that I quit.  Now that was before personal computers and cable so maybe it’s quicker now but I doubt it.  It’s antiquated and needs to be reinvented for today’s modern world.  

    Soapnet runs commercials and I don’t always FF through the commericals when I’m watching back a show I’ve taped.  I’m lazy so I’ll usually just let the entire show play unless I’m hating a particular scene.  Why couldn’t the advertisers get their information from the cable and satellite companies as to who is watching which shows (soaps and other day time and night time tv as well)?  Those companies certainly keep detailed records and they wouldn’t have to divulge their customers names, only what they watched, their age and sex.  Seems like that would give them a much larger sampling of who’s watching all the shows on televison day and night.  I’m sure the advertisers could make a deal with those companies to get the numbers and I’m sure they would be much more representational of the entire viewing audience across America!       

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    samrocks

    Daisy…Sorry, I had to make a late night Krispy Kreme run.    Anyhow, your posts are in red, and mine are in blue:

    samrocks, so that I’m understanding you – you’re saying that measuring 18,000 people (or 200 people for that matter) is an accurate measurement of everyone’s viewing behavior as long as the demos in the sample are of equal proportions to what they are for the group they’re representing? (sorry, that’s the best way I can word it, lol).  Your wording was clear to me, and YES, if the sample shares enough characteristics with the population so that we can accurately refer to it as "representative" (i.e., with a low sampling error), then it’s still okay. If that’s the case, wouldn’t it still seem probable that measuring 100,000 people would most likely lead to a more accurate measurement than 18,000? Just like 18,000 would be more accurate than measuring 1,000? Of course you will be able to generalize your findings with more confidence the more participants you can recruit, but using a smaller representative sample for your research doesn’t negate its validity.  I find it hard to believe that the number of people has absolutely no bearing whatsoever. Ahem, that’s not what I meant, LOL.  My point was that you could not look only at the sample size v. population size in order to determine the validity of the findings.  For example, the National Opinion Research Center conducts the General Social Survey, which surveys approximately 2000 adults in order to better understand the opinions and behaviors of all adult Americans.  Because, if I’m understanding you correctly, you’re arguing that the sample of 1,000 would have the exact same results as the sample of 18,000 which would have the exact same sample of 100,000.  Yup, if you are using a representative sample, then even as you increase the number of participants, the corresponding change in the finsings will not be statistically significant.

    It just seemed from your post that you considered the 9,000 sample size to be a RED FLAG that the ratings system was deeply flawed; I wanted to let you know that isn’t true.  I’m sure that there are plenty of strong arguments in favor of revising the data collection methods and sources, but there would still be no need to increase the number of participants.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Cyber did you hit the bottle between 7:30 and 4:30… I made my point, you made your response, I said NOTHING about your post since that time and yet you are going off.  Lay off the sauce

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    Cyberologist

    I have never said GH couldnt use a ton of improvement.  But the idea that one character is sacred and should never be a cheater is absurd – esp. when that particular character has a HISTORY of cheating.  And I have said that many of these stories are great in concept – Robin having PPD for example – and horrible in execution.  I am sure many Robin fans only want her cast in a positive light, but the PPD COULD have been meaty.

    Moreover while the fans of that particular character may want there character to be only seen as perfect the overall show would be boring otherwise if every character was written as saintly..  The Niz story is gross but it could lead to great story for Lucky and I loved the Rebecca vs.Lizard aspect.  Had they given us that Rebecca from the start I would have loved it and her last weeks had me totally converted on the character since she FINALLY had a SPINE.  I may hate Luke right now for keeping the secret from Lucky BUT if it leads to a turn around in the Luke/Lucky dynamic (which I think had gotten stale) it might be a good thing.  I hate the things Jax has been doing lately, but I have to admit it was interesting to me to watch what Carly was going to do when the Claudia/Jerry truth came out  and I cant wait to see what she is going to do about Dante/Jax.

    Finally, you say no wonder the soaps are tanking.  I have said this before but its baffling that ratings seems to have little correlation to the quality of the storylines.  OLTL is well written but it just never gets out of the basement (even with Tarty over) .  AMC and GH are roughly tied these days and yet there is NO comparison betweent the quality of writing between these two shows – GH is infinately better.

     

      Where were these same complaints when the show had Sam suddenly become an accomplice to a babynapping and Claudia become the woman that ordered a hit that left Michael in a coma.  Where was the outcry over all these other issues.”’

    Your insults are useless to me as for me and my drinking habits you insinuating I’m a drunk is still my concern as an adult "IF I drink"  HOW  and/or WHEN I drink is my business;

    I can explain that as well if I choose to.
    Again as soon as I make a post there you are with mindless babble "explaining" my post.  I know the "protocol" regarding public forums (message boards) your explanation (to me)  isn’t  needed there either….


    "I’m not your Daisy"
    Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday, Tombstone.

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    Cyberologist

    I can bemoan (and begrudge) what I want because its "my opinion"

    I  don’t need you (again) to explain "my opinion" as I’ve said (repeatedly) leave me alone. But you won’t do that will you?  You keep calling me out trying to explain me to me; like I don’t know me.  I don’t know what your problem is with me? But guess what  I don’t give a sh….

    Re: Ratings:
    and the pimping of just demos

    Which is the most important demo?  Didn’t Carlivati say HH?  Isn’t that the one that shows how many people are watching the show?
    The tool of measure is Nielsen so that’s what I go by it still tells me (flawed or not) that GH using this tool of measure is not a number 1 show and it still could be (flawed/antiquated or not).  If these results are compromised because of the advent of technology perchance the other 5 soaps are as well. Its also possible these #s are lower.

    I suspect they are beginning to use their other programming as well.  As a computer technologist not in marketing I would say they take in account their numbers in online viewing as well.  They could possibly make mention as many companies do their # of hits on their website or how many streams of their online videos. I remember reading that CBS.com was the #1 network for online viewing at one time last year hence ABC still isn’t #1.

    Cyber bemoan?   I guess I didn’t read that and I also didn’t "name any names" and you responded…(so obviously you know its about you).

    as soon as I posted so the same can be said about you as well. Why (and annotating the time) I’m online is none of your concern… I don’t have to explain that one either.

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    MadDogLane

    I agree with most of the list, especially about JaSam, they’re disgusting for the reasons listed. Jason getting with the woman who had his son kidnapped? Disgusting

    Ryan & Kendall from AMC belonged on this list as well, along with ATWT’s Paul and Emily

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    rnbabes

    Sorry but Jasam deserve to be # 1 and not 10.  She has no soul, no sustain and they have destroyed Jason to try to make her look good or have some part of this show.  Sorry but Jason is at the bottom b/c of Sam he has lost all of his status.  He is not the enforcer and he can’t even think for himself.  Sorry Jason u can’t blame this on AJ.

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    Miameow

    Thank you for the laughs over the completely lame justification that was used to place JaSam on your Worst Couples list. Really made me giggle!

    I am a loyal JaSam fan and absolutely think they’re one of the best couples GH has EVER produced. Sam is fierce, beautiful, smart and loves completely. She understands Jason. She accepts the danger that surrounds his life because she considers him and their relationship worth the risk. In Sam, Jason has found a soul mate. He talks to her. He LAUGHS with her. He truly loves her and she truly loves him. They’re magic.

    Jason and Liz were nothing more than a series of cheap liasons…(one of the reasons I’ve always loved their Liason squish name…it explains SO much…) If Liz hadn’t gotten pregnant with Jake, she never would have been more than a fuzzy alcohol and anger-fuelled one night stand in the PINK bedroom…never Jason’s bed.

    Sam is in his heart to stay and I for one and loving EVERY minute of their reunion.

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    GamecockMom

    I can’t believe Noah and Luke from ATWT didn’t make the list.  Noah has always acted like Luke was like a gnat that wouldn’t go away.  They suck as a couple.  Noah has a big head because men seem to want him but not Luke…..till now.  Luke and Reid are smoking hot!  Can’t wait to see Noah kicked to the curb.

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    couchpotato7

    Jasam is not manufactured or a replacement of Liason. They are an outstanding couple in thier own RIGHT. They have a longer history, more honest moments, WAYYYYY more LOVE and a right to be valued in thier own place.

    Liason ratings were no better then JaSam at present and the ratings are falling due to Lante OVERLOAD and unbalanced writing for a talented cast.

    You guys {EXCEPT JILLIAN} never give them a fair break and continually hold OOC behaviour against Sam but Nurse Madonna gets a FREE PASS. Bad writing is destroyed both ladies and made them do things there true characters would not do. BUT it doesn’t take away the fact that Jason has insane chemistry with only 3 ladies…Robin, Sam and Carly. Liz is what Jason QUARTERMAINE would have wanted after Keeshia but she is not the gal for JASON MORGAN.

    Jasam 4 EVER!!!!!

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    Crème fraiche

    I think it’s time to start summing up the year so far 2010…. For me it’d be a safe bet to say Jasam moved up to the #1 spot on the list for Top 10 Worst Couples 2010.

    All the other couples have wisely been broken up… GH is is not wise however. They are more likely to try ramming Niz back down our throats (#7 in 2009) than wise up and do away with Jasam.

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    misty718

    Jasam were a couple who should have never been revisited. This redo has destroyed the character of Jason. As a Jason Morgan fan who has watched him from day 1, I know that he would never be with her again. For all intensive purposes Jason now comes off as a man who chose a woman who wanted his son dead and gone over his own child. That to me is disgusting. There is nothing romantic about it, it’s just vile. Jason was always the bad boy with the heart of gold. He showed everyone his stone cold side but the viewers knew Jason felt so much deep inside and the love he felt for his son and Elizabeth was clear. Now Jason comes off as an uncaring borg with no regards to what his current bed buddy did to his son or to Elizabeth. I hope TPTB wake up and redeem Jason because I will never accept the pod Jason that is on air and I will never accept him with the child endangering con. As far as Elizabeth TPTB wanted to make her look like a skank, they wanted to try and bring her down to the same level of Sam. Never gonna happen! Niz was vile and came off as insestious. Liz would never have been with him period! Elizabeth shot him down years ago. They were like brother and sister. TPTB had to go ruin a good friendship by injecting sleaze into it and made me dislike the character of Nick. I felt no sympathy for Lucky regardless of who is playing the part now. I did not forget how Lucky treated Elizabeth just because JJ came back to play the role. Lucky may have been Elizabeth’s first love but it was a childhood love. They were another couple that should never have been revisited. Too much abuse in that dysfunctional relationship.
    To force the current farse pairing of Jasam, TPTB had to ruin so many characters. TPTB wonder why the ratings have tanked, they only have to look at what they have done to this once great show. If they want their fans back, they need to stop the agenda driven garbage that has been on screen for the last 2 years and fix what they broke in 2008. They need to start by ending Jasam the couple from hell and reuniting the couple fans want Jason & Elizabeth. This show should be written for the fans not Mr. Brian Frons.

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    Cyndijoy

    I couldn’t agree more. Jason and Sam deserve to be on this list for every reason you mentioned. Jason Morgan would never forgive a woman who intentionally hurt his child. The writers have had to change the core of who Jason Morgan has always been to bring this couple together. Shame on the writers for doing this to a well loved character.
    Jason Morgan needs to be redeemed and this horrible couple needs to end. The viewers have spoken by tuning out!

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    Crème fraiche

    @couchpotato7 says Elizabeth would have been someone Jason Q would have wanted. Even so, if the writers went there, they’d get just as boring of a story as Jasame is now. SAM would be more interesting with Jason Q. ELIZABETH is more interesting with Jason.
    **
    the bottom line is Jasam 2.0 is NOT working. Oct 19th – Jasame is promo’d. Rating for Oct 19th 1.6 … same week, GH ties it’s lowest rating for 18-49 year olds….

    Brenda fans tuned in by the droves. The build up has been so slow. What else is there for them to watch? Elizabeth being trashed… Robin made to look stupid and Jason back with the woman they last saw as Jason’s enemy….The show doesn’t make sense.

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    Kelly8970

    [quote=Crème fraiche]I think it’s time to start summing up the year so far 2010…. For me it’d be a safe bet to say Jasam moved up to the #1 spot on the list for Top 10 Worst Couples 2010.

    All the other couples have wisely been broken up… GH is is not wise however. They are more likely to try ramming Niz back down our throats (#7 in 2009) than wise up and do away with Jasam.[/quote]

    The Jasam pairing definitely deserves the #1 spot. LOL. GH is “STUCK ON STUPID” when it comes to the Jasam pairing.

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    RehvengeIsSweet

    Totally agree about Jasam, not so much because of what Sam did to Jake or how OOC it was for Jason to forgive it, but because as GH’s so called ‘action couple’ they are just plain boring. Jason as the aging hitman lumbering around in the never changing ill fitting leather jacket with his surfer hair cut and of course his great big phallic symbol/gun with Sam nipping at his heels in her matching leather after the unending string of faux villians every few months is both ludicrous and increasingly dull and it is even worse when they attempt romance. Jason needs to grow up and Sam needs to grow a backbone.

    Disagree about Nik and Liz though. I think that Rebecca Herbst and Tyler Christopher have great chemistry if not the best storyline and I have no qualms about her betraying that ‘sweet’ boy. He is the same sweet boy who betrayed her with her sister, broke her heart more than once, betrayed her with Maxie and then with Sam. J. Jackson came into the role inheriting all the sins committed by previous Luckys. That sweet boy left a long time ago and JJ coming back can’t change what Lucky did all the years he was gone.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Misty it seems that you ripped a line right from the JaSammers here – how many characters were destroyed to cram jiz down our throats. We had Jason, who NEVER lies and hated lying for Carly back in the day, turning into a liar mcliar pants, they turned Lizard into even more of a stalker than she already was, they turned Sam into a woman who sleeps with her stepfather and watches babies get kidnapped (talk about OOC) and Lucky spent months moping and pouting until they then gave us the coupe de gras of having Lucky sleep with Sam (and some people really think HE betrayed Lizard when she was stalking Jason, cmom)

    And while the ratings are lower during jaSam 2.0 than Jiz, the ratings for Jiz were lower than they were during JaSam 1.0. Ratings for soaps are down across the board. These days GH routinely hits a 1.8 which is a viewership level that got GL cancelled. (and yet even at 1.8 its usually #3 of the remaining shows.)

    But no worries I am sure with jameys hatred for the couple, he will make sure JaSam makes this years list even when couples like boring Marissa and JR on AMC or Frankie/Randi DONT make the list.

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    Amy121

    GH is stuck on stupid with the Jasam pairing. They are beyond boring and lame. Their “adventures” are the same thing every time. Sam thinks up some “great” plan, Jason gets amnesia and forgets how she always ends up in trouble and needs saving. BORING. Regardless of that…the fact is Sam put his son in harm’s way, purposely, and Jason threatened to kill her. There is no coming back from that and this show made a HUGE mistake by putting them back together.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    How about what Stalkerbeth did to both of her sons? Jason kept telling her over and over again NOT to come around with the brewing battle between Corinthos/Morgan and the Russians making things too dangerous, but she kept throwing herself at him over and over again until the Russians caught on and nabbed Jake. Were it not for Sam first holding off the Russians and then later jumping out of a building with Jake in her arms minutes before it exploded, your beloved Easy Bake Oven would be burying one if not both of her kids.

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    Crème fraiche

    [quote=RehvengeIsSweet]Totally agree about Jasam, not so much because of what Sam did to Jake or how OOC it was for Jason to forgive it, but because as GH’s so called ‘action couple’ they are just plain boring. Jason as the aging hitman lumbering around in the never changing ill fitting leather jacket with his surfer hair cut and of course his great big phallic symbol/gun with Sam nipping at his heels in her matching leather after the unending string of faux villians every few months is both ludicrous and increasingly dull and it is even worse when they attempt romance. Jason needs to grow up and Sam needs to grow a backbone.

    Disagree about Nik and Liz though. I think that Rebecca Herbst and Tyler Christopher have great chemistry if not the best storyline and I have no qualms about her betraying that ‘sweet’ boy. He is the same sweet boy who betrayed her with her sister, broke her heart more than once, betrayed her with Maxie and then with Sam. J. Jackson came into the role inheriting all the sins committed by previous Luckys. That sweet boy left a long time ago and JJ coming back can’t change what Lucky did all the years he was gone.[/quote]

    I hate NIZ though I agree with EVERYTHING you said. I think RH can get her character Elizabeth to have chemistry with anyone they put in front of her. YES Niz had a SMOKING HOT love scene. BUT I still had to imagine the hulk humping her wasn’t Emily’s Great Love *oops threw up a little*. They had one of the most soapy stories but in the end JJ’s Lucky walks away with Emmy Tearing scenes and a clean slate while Elizabeth is tarnished.

    So all we have here is the lesser of two evils in my eyes. Did Niz have more story and stronger performances than Jasame? Yes. Does that mean I enjoyed it? No.

    OH, and RehvengeIsSweet, friggen LOVED your description of Jasame! LMBO!

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    Crème fraiche

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]Sam was coming down the stairs in a home where she has been invited, so much so she has her own key. That isnt stalking. Stalking is when someone says STAY AWAY and yet you keep leaving your scarf or you loiter on the docks to “accidentally” run into that someone or you climb 90 million flights of stairs just to get a booty call etc. etc. Hence why we nicknamed your gal Stalkerbeth, and it was that stalking that nearly got both her children killed by the Russian mob.

    As for the drop, I guess thats because Jiz fans will boycott and throw a temper tantrum when they dont get their way, but JaSam fans simply suffered through the horror that was Jiz. I NEVER heard a JaSam fan chanting vote with your remote.

    Re: the supposed heat, I havent seen much heat from Lizard with anyone since the early JJ years. She had a small modicum of heat with Nic, but any heat that existed was superceded by the foul nature of watching her boink her fiancees brother on the floor so that he had a stand in (or should I say lay down) for Emily. LiRic was equally foul, given that she knew that Ric led Carly to believe he had raped her and yet Lizard stayed with him anyway, not to mention that she and ric let NEM twist in the wind for Zander’s “death” all the while knowing that it was Lizzie Borden that took a lead pipe to his head. Which of course reminds me that poor Zander was another poach job from Lizard tarting it up with Em’s cast offs. One has to wonder why the character always seems to go after her men when they are mooning/mourning/longing for someone else. Leads me to wonder how much longer it will be before St. Liz makes a play for patrick.[/quote]

    (above is still from EricasEvilTwin)

    ________

    NIZ was FOUL and Elizabeth was every bit to blame. I have NO problem calling her out for her shyte and neither does the character. Guza has consistently written her to own up to her shyte and apologize for it which is why her fans don’t call her a saint, only her haters do. (I believe Ethan is still waiting on an apology & the viewers to see a modicum of remorse from attacking an innocent man).

    I can’t for the life of me get to the point I can call her stalker.. to me it’s as far fetched as me calling Sam one. You are right, she was in an apartment she’s welcomed in. I called her a stalker to show how easy it is to throw accusations under a flimsy explanation.

    Elizabeth went to Jason the night she caught Lucky with Maxie because she had no other friends to turn to. As if the writers knew jasammers would cry foul they scripted a few run-on sentences to EXPLAIN why she had no where else to go. Dock scenes go waaaaaayyyyyyy back on GH for ALL characters…. ESPECIALLY Jason and Elizabeth… what do you think was the first clue they might be getting them together??? Who knows if the abandoned scarf was subconscious or not but certainly there wasn’t the cliched but ALWAYS necessary cut-away scene to show Elizabeth stuffing a scarf in the cushions or an earing in the bed or any number of gimmicks soaps use to show STALKING.

    ELIZABETH WAS NOT STALKING.

    are you sure you want to pull out the bedmate skeletons? It’s a soap… Not only a soap but GH who ALWAYS makes the woman the slut, the looney, the nutter, the skank and lets creeps like Ric, Lucky and Sonny off the hook. I can pull out just as many nasty bed partners from your gals unwashed closet and she’s only been on the show for half the time. And you are right, Patrick could be next.. they have chemistry… and GH is clearly clueless… Hoping they are smart enough not to piss off Scrub fans any more than they have tho.

    As for voting with the remote… I still am. I won’t reward a show that can’t give me a decent story… or good romance or stay true to history…. It’s still the smartest soap so I keep tabs in hopes one day they will pull their heads out.

    It’s not MY job to keep watching, it’s THEIR job to KEEP ME WATCHING.

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    Crème fraiche

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]Misty it seems that you ripped a line right from the JaSammers here – how many characters were destroyed to cram jiz down our throats. We had Jason, who NEVER lies and hated lying for Carly back in the day, turning into a liar mcliar pants, they turned Lizard into even more of a stalker than she already was, they turned Sam into a woman who sleeps with her stepfather and watches babies get kidnapped (talk about OOC) and Lucky spent months moping and pouting until they then gave us the coupe de gras of having Lucky sleep with Sam (and some people really think HE betrayed Lizard when she was stalking Jason, cmom)

    And while the ratings are lower during jaSam 2.0 than Jiz, the ratings for Jiz were lower than they were during JaSam 1.0. Ratings for soaps are down across the board. These days GH routinely hits a 1.8 which is a viewership level that got GL cancelled. (and yet even at 1.8 its usually #3 of the remaining shows.)

    But no worries I am sure with jameys hatred for the couple, he will make sure JaSam makes this years list even when couples like boring Marissa and JR on AMC or Frankie/Randi DONT make the list.[/quote]

    Don’t kid yourself, Jason lies. There is a long history of it. He avoids it, prefers to not answer a direct question than lie but all the way back from his inception he has lied. Not Carly lies… but lies.

    Sam is the stalker… hanging around corners eavesdropping (need a hooker?! I’ll get one, be right back!)… Once she found out Jake was Jason’s why didn’t she just ride-or-die him with a confrontation? Instead she plays games and stalks them.

    There’s been a steady leak of viewers through all couples but NOTHING compares to the drop off in December 2008 and during the sweeps that followed. From that, GH has had moments of recovery with Franco and Brenda… but nothing can sustain it. At least so far.

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    Crème fraiche

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]How about what Stalkerbeth did to both of her sons? Jason kept telling her over and over again NOT to come around with the brewing battle between Corinthos/Morgan and the Russians making things too dangerous, but she kept throwing herself at him over and over again until the Russians caught on and nabbed Jake. Were it not for Sam first holding off the Russians and then later jumping out of a building with Jake in her arms minutes before it exploded, your beloved Easy Bake Oven would be burying one if not both of her kids.[/quote]

    What about Stalkerbeth? She stood up to Jason just like Sam did when Jason pulled the danger card. And we got the GREAT scene with Jason and Karpov when he YELLED how he broke his men’s knee caps and would do worse if Karpov touched anyone under his protection. Elizabeth hiding in the back hears it all and comes out to face Jason. She tells him she is not afraid. She knows who he is. **Later we get the (jeez it was so hot I am blushing just thinking of it) brilliant and inspired talk about brick walls referencing Randy Pausch’s The Last Lecture that ends with A DECLARATION OF LOVE AND A DESIRE TO BE TOGETHER.. then she straddles him and he carries her upstairs… *fans face*

    As for the Russians, he doesn’t tell her about them until they are on the roof at GH. She goes to him to see if he’s ok after the office burns down and agrees to keep her distance till the Russians were dealt with.

    AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE DOES!!! She’s AT HER HOME when Jason and Sam come running in with Russians right behind them!!! As if Jason would be so careless… and THEN he lets LUCKLESS take them to his fishing cabin instead of Jason’s safehouse??? ANOTHER OOC move….

    So you can blame it all on Elizabeth, my dear, but that’s not what happened on screen.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Sam was coming down the stairs in a home where she has been invited, so much so she has her own key. That isnt stalking. Stalking is when someone says STAY AWAY and yet you keep leaving your scarf or you loiter on the docks to “accidentally” run into that someone or you climb 90 million flights of stairs just to get a booty call etc. etc. Hence why we nicknamed your gal Stalkerbeth, and it was that stalking that nearly got both her children killed by the Russian mob.

    As for the drop, I guess thats because Jiz fans will boycott and throw a temper tantrum when they dont get their way, but JaSam fans simply suffered through the horror that was Jiz. I NEVER heard a JaSam fan chanting vote with your remote.

    Re: the supposed heat, I havent seen much heat from Lizard with anyone since the early JJ years. She had a small modicum of heat with Nic, but any heat that existed was superceded by the foul nature of watching her boink her fiancees brother on the floor so that he had a stand in (or should I say lay down) for Emily. LiRic was equally foul, given that she knew that Ric led Carly to believe he had raped her and yet Lizard stayed with him anyway, not to mention that she and ric let NEM twist in the wind for Zander’s “death” all the while knowing that it was Lizzie Borden that took a lead pipe to his head. Which of course reminds me that poor Zander was another poach job from Lizard tarting it up with Em’s cast offs. One has to wonder why the character always seems to go after her men when they are mooning/mourning/longing for someone else. Leads me to wonder how much longer it will be before St. Liz makes a play for patrick.

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    blackchic32

    I have to applaud most of the DC group and their support of Liason. We all know the truth and the best part is when Luke or Jamey have the nerve to point it out since GH is not looking at the ratings cause they prove that LIASON IS THE BEST and Jasam sucks.

    Now I am going to sit back and watch the Jasam fan gurls come out and defend their sucky couple and attack DC for being a Liason loving board.

    GOOD JOB DC continue to spread that LIASON LOVE. LIASON FOREVER BABY!!!!!

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    toy1975

    Uhmmm it does say worst COUPLE for 2009………So why would anyone even mention Liason they were not a couple back then I guess when JASAMHO FANS can’t DEFEND their crap they pull out that ace card well what about this or that!Tuff being a FAN who’s COUPLE sucks!……..BUT YUP our beloved LIASON will always share a BOND they have a baby together made out of LOVE!!!LIASON BABY LIASON!!!!

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Actually Misty was the first to mention Lizard, but I am glad that you all are acknowledging that the board is pro-Jiz. When I say it and joking refer to the site as Liason Confidential I get bashed.

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    toy1975

    People NEED to REVIEW that night Liz went to Jasons………..Maxie called the hosp saying she was a neighbor of Liz and was hearing noise in Liz’s home…LIZ went home only to FIND Maxie/Lucky screwing.Liz went BACK TO WORK but was told to go home since she wasnt in any shape to be at work/she went to the docks/walk around and FOUND herself in front of Jason’s PH…NOT aware that Jason just saw SAMHO bonking RIC…THERE was NO STALKING CRAP on Liz’s part FANS are forgetting that award goes to SAMHO, she STALKED LIZ and watched EVERY move Liz and her sons made!

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    Crème fraiche

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]Actually Misty was the first to mention Lizard, but I am glad that you all are acknowledging that the board is pro-Jiz. When I say it and joking refer to the site as Liason Confidential I get bashed.[/quote]

    Actually the first to mention the jiztastic LIASON couple was DC… it’s right up there in their Top 10 Worst Couple list. They say they have a number of bloggers who are pro-Liason and that’s why many would consider their opinion biased. Frankly, even if you are literature professor breaking down the structure of a romantic pairing in a story, other than some nuts and bolts, it’s still going to bottom line at opinion. Are they jizmazing & jizalicious to the reader or not?

    It just FEELS more like fact when the majority is with you on the opinion.

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    crafty23

    Just as you said, Crème fraiche, Liz is not a saint and no one, not even a true fan like myself would ever accuse her of being one. That’s just unrealistic at best. Second of all, again, Crème fraiche, I agree with you 110%, but I’ve come to realize that to people who hate Liz for all she’s worth and adore Sam/JaSam, Liz fans will never win because the haters will always have something to say no matter what the argument. Same for some of us who love Liz. Some people just know when to let go and realize we’ll never love/appreciate/like/care for their character, no matter how many arguments they make for said character, and others just love to fight if only to make a point that goes nowhere. I just shake my head and move along rather than bothering with someone I don’t agree with to a fault. It’s useless. Shots against Elizabeth are spewed all day long, but say Spam-Bot once and all of a sudden the Aw Naw, Hell Naw’s get tossed up like gangs signs. I just relax, relate, release, and skim those posts the same way I know they skim mine.

    BTW, I personally vote with my remote for the writing, not for JaSam. If I tuned out because of a couple I despised, I would have stopped watching the moment Sonny bedded Emily and lied to Jason about their relationship, the moment Jason was with Carly and lied about the paternity of Michael, the moment Nik CHEATED with Courtney while he was still married to Emily, the supposed love of his life, the moment Jax dumped Skye for Brenda, the moment Alexis ever contemplated a relationship with Jerry Jax, the moment Sam bedded both Jax and Sonny, and then her step-daddy when she thought it was over for good between her and the supposed love of her life, the moment Liz bedded BOTH of her best friends ex’s, especially in regards to Nikolas, considering she was claiming to be in love with Lucky, the moment Claire tossed her morals out of the window in favor of sexing Sonny, etc. I could go back even further than all of this as far as couples I can’t stand. Don’t even get me started with All My Children and this Rylee redux.

    There are many moments I could have tuned out if all I was ever concerned about was a fictional couple that doesn’t exist outside of my television box. I tune in for the escapism, the stories, characters, and relationships. Supercouples, a term tossed around like cookies today, always added to the thrill of watching soaps for me; that love in the afternoon that these writers no longer have a concept of. JaSam sex post whatever shootout they may have participated in that day and Carly trying to seduce Jax for whatever reason/because she screwed up again, or screwed Sonny for the millionth time doesn’t count with me anymore. It all boils down to the writing for me and the writing sucks for all involved, character and couple, and anyone who thinks any differently is obviously not watching the same show I once put above all other. JaSam may add to the cause of why some have ‘voted with their remote’, BUT this couple is NOT the sole problem, and neither is Elizabeth for that matter. Speaking of which, for once I’d like to see someone make a valid argument FOR Sam WITHOUT making an argument AGAINST Elizabeth and vice/versa. That’ll be the day.

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    Crème fraiche

    Hey Crafty, nice post. I think you and I are pretty much on the same page. Though I absolutely tuned out of GH because of one couple (Jason & Elizabeth), that is NOT the only reason I haven’t tuned back in.

    I’ve always been a passive viewer. Watch what I like, don’t watch what I don’t like. My problem has more to do with everything they did to Sam & Jason & Elizabeth & Lucky AFTER The break up. It’s SO wacky that I can’t watch it.

    I can’t suspend my disbelief enough to not gag when they are on screen.

    PLEASE Dear Soap God, just give me something that makes at least a little sense, follows history and is good romantic drama and I’m yours. Find that balance between mob & hospital, drama & comedy, family & romance…. and I’d be willing to tune into GH again regardless of couples.

    But I can promise you this.. it won’t be while Jason is with Sam or if Elizabeth goes back to Lucky. For Soap God’s Sake, give them someone NEW or get Jason and Elizabeth another chance.

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    GHvetfan

    crafty – I do love Cam’s eyes and all of that kid’s expressions. He is an incredible find. GH really knows how to cast children.

    As for watching or not watching, I think everyone has their own reasons for hanging it up or sticking it out. Mostly, I believe folks give up the show because the showrunners have no respect for their own viewers. It isn’t about which character is zooming who. It is about the writing and respect of the history of the characters and the show. It is about the writers remembering what they wrote or doing sinple reserch about what the last writer wrote. An example would be Robin. She has a history of strength. She isn’t passive but this Lisa story has her written really horribly. This isn’t the Robin Scorpio who faced an HIV diagnosis and Stone’s death head on. Robin isn’t the type to lay across the tracks and wait for rescue.

    As for supercouples – I don’t think they really exist anymore. This thread is about the couples a few people disliked a year ago. Are any still together? I guess Sam and Jason but they are not really a supercouple. I don’t think of them really as a couple at all because they are not really an even partnership. I don’t say that to start a fight but because story is always about Jason and his needs and his tasks for Sonny and Carly. It is never about Sam. She is as essential to the story as Spinelli. They are Jason’s cheerleader and nothing more. Liz isn’t any more than that at the hospital. She isn’t any more essential than Epiphany. That is why I find myself disliking the show and waiting to watch instead of needing to watch… The writers do not care about the show and that shows. They dont care about the characters so people tune out.

    All in all, I am surprised to see this thread revived. Fans care. I wish there was a way to get ABC to.

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    Crème fraiche

    GHvet…
    loved your post.

    for me I watch soaps for the journey. love the big pay off but I never tuned in just for the cliff hanger… loved seeing how he story unfolded against the restriction of who these characters were.

    If Robin is gonna lie down all of a sudden.. show us WHY. It’s not that the character can’t be weak… but if you are going to have her be that way show us WHY and make us BELIEVE IT. If you (writers) can’t then, don’t write it that way.

    Nowadays the writer always seem like they are trying to fit square pegs (the characters) into round holes (Guza’s vacuousness plots).

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    crafty23

    GHvetfan: GH does know how to cast children. That’s at least one good thing we can actually say about this show at this point, right? lol. And I agree with both you and Crème fraiche 1,000%! And you’re both right on about Robin. She’s a Scorpio for crying out loud! Where’s Anna to kick Patrick’s butt, get rid of Lisa, and take names after? Robert’s spending time in Genoa City, so that’s out. But it’s obvious the writers have stopped writing for the fans who have helped to keep this show afloat over the years. They are no longer keeping true to who these characters are and why we fell in love with them in the first place. And just as you said, GHvetfan, Sam, just like Spinelli, is around to be a cheerleader for Jason these days, just like Brenda is around to be a cheerleader for Sonny. I just don’t understand the logic behind either. I understand the draw to bad boys, but I don’t understand why the show has its women condoning their terrible behavior and shoddy antics. It’s sad to see what this show has become, irritating couples aside. I continue to watch from time to time, but like you and so many others, I am not happy with what is on my screen.

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    jasam4ever888

    Is this what hell feels like? I try and be respectful to each side of this whole Jasam VS Jiz rivalry, but honestly…..Jasam on the Worst Couple list, get freaking real! I’m not one to comment too often, but You Jiz fans are soooo delusional, you’re intelect really frightens me! There is no comparison to Jason and Sam’s chemistry, it’s electric. A Jiz love scene is like being forced to watch a nerdy school teacher trying to get it on with a bad ass Mob Enforcer, not Believable at all! Now a hot as hell, P.I. (a bad ass herself) getting it on with that same bad ass Mob Enforcer, ahhh ya, sign me up,I could watch that everyday!
    I also have a very hard time with people questioning Sam’s character and morals, has she done some shady things, yes of course. I’m just hoping that you also remember all of the shady things that Saint Liz has done: She’s lied to husbands, boyfriends and friends about all the freakin babies she had, I have honestly lost count on all of her paternaty tests she’s had. She manipulated Sam relentlessly trying to win Jason over, even tampering with Sam’s paternaty test. A saint, I think not!
    For some of you that say Jason doesn’t love Sam like she loves him is ridiculous. Jason and Sam have been a solid couple for over 5 years (I did factor the 2 year break-up into that.) Liz was just Jason’s fall back girl when things weren’t going well with Sam, but somehow Jason was always drawn back to Sam. I hate how Liz used that mistake of a child to keep herself in Jason’s orbit, I have always agreed with Carly, Elizabeth is the master of manipulation. There is a huge difference in loving someone (Liz) and being IN love with someone (Sam) and that is exactly how this triangle has always worked. If you have been watching the same GH that I have been watching, you can’t deny that Jason has been the one chasing Sam this time around and doing everything he possibly could to keep her. Until Jason Morgan’s last breath on GH, it was Sam he wanted. I was grinning ear to ear when Liz told Sam: “Dicorced or not, Jason will always belong to You” BU YAH!
    Lastly and most importantly, in my opinion, is that Steve Burton believed that Jason was meant to be with Sam. As we all know Steve and JFP are good friends and he had a lot of input on S/L’s and the development of Jasam! Don’t believe me, Youtube his interviews. The break-ups were calculated, he didn’t want their love story to be rushed. In the end Jasam wins out, Jason married Sam and his only living, wanted child is alive and well in Sam’s arms. True love wins out! (Remember there was no JFP or Guza in the end, so I guess you’ll blame it on FV now!) This is such a biased site anyways, it’s like jiz fans sit around all day and try to think of ways to sabatage something they never will be able to, the JASAM PHENOMENON! I guess us Jasam fans actually have lives, we don’t have time to sit around and vote on shit like this a million times, probably cuz we’re Bad Asses like Steve and Kelly! Jasam 4ever baby! Peace out.

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    jasam4ever888

    AHHHH Toy1975, That mistake baby is long gone! Oh and a defective condom that results in an unwanted pregnancy isn’t the same as a baby made out of love! The only baby made out of love was Danny! Jason and Sam were actually married (because they wanted to be, not because Jason felt obligated, AKA: Jason’s proposal to Liz.) We all know the big storyline that surrounded Jasam’s honeymoon and we also know that is when Danny was concieved. The baby ended up being Jason’s, therefore that is the only child that was concieved out of love! Oh and remember, our Jasam baby is actually named Daniel Edward MORGAN, yes MORGAN, never forget that! And also remember that in the end Jason chose Sam, even after Liz begged him like an idiot to be with her. Love it! And again, I would like to share my favorite quote from gay ass Elizabeth: “Sam, Divorced or not, Jason will always belong to you” Hit the road LIzzy!

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    Lzssyi

    This site has always been a Jiz lover/Liz. JaSam was the supercouple of GH. They were popular everywhere, when Ryan Noble or his butt monkeys had nothing to do with the results. They stand up to interest ad the Jizzers. Luke and Laura was the supercouple doing analog but JaSam was the supercouple of the computer age and thats a fact. This worst couple stuff is bull and thats a fact also.BUT the worse couple that should have been there is Jiz!

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    Lzssyi

    The only thing t hat was manufactured was LIASON! With their 6 fans and 500 emails addresses. What Guza and Fronze found out was that RN and his butt monkeys was imagining the fans for Jiz!They had their chance, no one failed them but Liz!They had no chemistry, they had no nothing. What was found with that the 6 fans and their 500 emails worked on polls but nowhere else. No one heard of Liason/Jiz but those who pimped the mags RN was affliate with. Focus Groups had liason as a complete failure, the fans(the real fans)thought Liason sucked!The ratings said the samething.The ratings dropped like a ton of bricks, and all that bull about being a super couple never happened(only in Ryan Noble’s mind and his butt monkeys).After a couple of years when the Focus Groups keep getting the same informatiobn obn Jiz and fans wouldn’t come out to see them they had to cut their lose. SB realized that he got played by all the bull RN was trying to pass as fans. KM was happy to be working with GV. SB wanted JaSam back becausse they bull they tried to pull didn’t work!So that bull you got on the worst couple is another way to kiss fat, slick head RN’s butt.So this will be knbown to all the JaSam fans and than you wiull known who has the power, and its not going to be all about polls, where thats the only place Jiz might have a chance.Liason got their ass kicked so many times its a joke and clearly you have gone by what Jizzers have said and RN,not by facts!

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