HomeTVGeneral HospitalOMG, THIS is Why General Hospital’s Dominic Zamprogna is TOPS on Our List! Jamey Giddens January 28, 2010 General Hospital 75 Comments Dominic Zamprogna proves once again why he’s Numero Uno on our list of Daytime’s Top 10 Newcomers in the intense video preview of Dante and Sonny’s (Maurice Benard) dramatic face off on tomorrow’s General Hospital, seen exclusively at EW.com. The scene is hauntingly intercut with that of the Baby Dingette aka Jocelyn’s christening. Sorry folks, hate on the man all you want, but my boy Bob Guza has his mojo BACK! After watching the clip, come back here and tell us what you think in the comments! 75 Responses THEBEST January 28, 2010 I must say, I can’t wait to watch. Guza gives us a good episode every other week. I’m trying to watch GH with a new mindset now. If I dumb myself down, it’s not half bad… Log in to Reply season1217 January 28, 2010 EYE ROLL! Dominic Zamprogna was excellent but if I want to see The Godfather then I’ll watch The Godfather. Guza doesn’t have HIS mojo back. He’s got Francis Ford Coppola’s. Log in to Reply GH LOVER January 28, 2010 great clip it is the godfather meeting Greek tragedy LOL Dz wasn’t that Good … Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 28, 2010 LMAO, and Francis Ford Coppola had Shakespeare’s with King Lear, Macbeth, etc. There are only seven plots in literature. Everyone bothers from everyone. GH started as a daytime version of Dr. Kildaire. They all borrow. Twilight’s author readily admits she was inspired by Pride and Prejudice. Why when Guza does it, he’s a hack? Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 28, 2010 it is the godfather meeting Greek tragedy LOL *** Exactly! ALL writers steal from the Greeks. LOL Log in to Reply Starrgirlfish January 28, 2010 I must admit, I’m excited. I got the chills when Olivia screamed. I’ve enjoyed this week of GH, I just hope that next week is just as good. Log in to Reply Regan Cellura January 28, 2010 I watched it and thought wow the acting coming out of GH this week! Log in to Reply Smitty January 28, 2010 I am DVRing this week’s GH….I might add it to my soap collections. I have tried it in the past and couldn’t get into it so I am giving it another try. I’ve been hearing good things about this week’s episodes. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 January 28, 2010 Crap can’t watch the clip from work, damn work for interferring with my down time I wish I can believe all the Guza is back, I mean we saw what he did with Franco and look how great the ratings turned out for that. I am ok with borrowing but Guza has a tendency to rip off the worse parts. I am sure DZ will sell the entire story. Log in to Reply Mardou January 28, 2010 I’m sorry, but there is being inspired by something, and there is lifting it whole cloth. Guza does the latter here. Of course the actors do a good job (I thought DZ was good but not great, MB was…MB LOL); the acting on GH was NEVER the problem. But how many times are we going to see this kind of storyline again and again? Not to mention, if I were a PC-ian, I would never want to set foot in a church. Nothing good ever comes from it LOL. Log in to Reply season1217 January 28, 2010 [quote=Jamey Giddens]LMAO, and Francis Ford Coppola had Shakespeare’s with King Lear, Macbeth, etc. There are only seven plots in literature. Everyone bothers from everyone. GH started as a daytime version of Dr. Kildaire. They all borrow. Twilight’s author readily admits she was inspired by Pride and Prejudice. Why when Guza does it, he’s a hack? [/quote] One word. CHARACTER! Guza’s characters are as richly drawn as the stick figure in the game Hangman. Log in to Reply watchingallday January 28, 2010 DZ is really good, and has played this role to perfection. As compelling as this story has been, I cannot conceive of any possible acceptable way for Dante or Olivia to forgive Sonny, and further, Sonny getting off with attempting to kill an officer point blank will possibly be the worst thing ever on a soap. I love GH, and I will not stop watching, but it is endlessly disappointing that this show has devolved into a place where this despicable character is the "star", and we are to empathize with him because he "loves" his children and is loyal to his friends. I could be getting ahead of myself, and maybe Guza will write it in a way that it is okay that he doesn’t go to jail for attempting to kill a police officer, although I highly doubt it. This should be the end of the Sonny character, or at least the rest of his scenes should be from a federal prison! I know it is just a soap, and somewhat hypocritical that Helena is my favorite character, but she is written as a villain and she is treated as such. Sorry for the rant, but this has been years in the making. Log in to Reply Beth January 28, 2010 For me, nothing can top Jonathan Jackson this week, and yet another tedious "Godfather" rip-off that will probably have no long-term percussions bores me to tears. If Sonny ends up in jail or in any way pays for shooting a man in cold blood, or if Dante doesn’t ultimately forgive the man for shooting him, then I’ll look back and think that Guza’s finally gotten his ish together. They already started the whitewashing this week with Dante whining about how Sonny’s SUCH a good man and he just can’t stand to break the family apart, blahblahblah. That doesn’t bode well for the long term. And if anything, scenes like that resonate not because of the writing. It’s due to the acting (except for MB – retire already!), the editing, the production crew, and the direction. With those talented people backing Guza’s tired stories up, he’s got a job for life. Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 28, 2010 love GH, and I will not stop watching, but it is endlessly disappointing that this show has devolved into a place where this despicable character is the "star", and we are to empathize with him because he "loves" his children and is loyal to his friends. *** Okay, I see this complaint ad nauseum. So riddle me this. Do you watch primetime soaps like Dexter, where the protagonist is a serial killer, or Weeds, where the lead heroine is a dope peddler? What about Big Love? Damages? Why is it, that when it comes to soaps—which need to evolve more than any other dramatic form—that an amoral character being central so appalling? It certainly isn’t groundbreaking. John Dixon was a lead on ATWT for years, and he was despicable. Roger Thorpe was too on GL, and Alex Marshall on DAYS. I get that GH has spent the better part of a decade transforming into the Sonny and Jason Hour, but in recent years they have taken strides to balance that. What is the answer? Even though there are finally hospital stories, which people wanted for years, and other story threads that aren’t directly related to the mob, it seems the complaints stay the same. IMO GH is much better written than any of the CBS soaps, or DAYS for that matter. I just wonder if anything short of killing Sonny and Jason—which sorry, will piss off millions of fans who aren’t always online—GH ca do nothing to make peeps give it a break. JMO Log in to Reply troymcclure January 28, 2010 I agree with Jamey (also where did Michael Corleone ever shoot his son who was an undercover cop? I must have missed that part of the movies) GH rocks right now and I don’t know about you all but Sonny was a mean SOB in that clip and there was no darn propping going on which I see mentioned so often. Sonny IN REAL LIFE should rot in jail as should Dexter but that doesn’t mean I actually wnat the characters in jail since I can actually separate real life from soaps. Domonic Zamprogna is a such a find and DC was sooo right in giving him the number one spot. Thank goodness Tom Pelphrey turned down the part. LOVING GH RIGHT NOW!!!! Log in to Reply GH LOVER January 28, 2010 Go Jamey ……. I with you 100% as the mob fans and there are many like us , just don’t blog that much on DC and By the way MB is amazing actor and he rocks that little scene not as so DZ .. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 January 28, 2010 I don’t watch those shows so I cannot answer but for me it comes down to knowing you are an evil amoral character and owning it, as opposed to drilling it down my throat that even though they do something amoral they do it with a heart of gold. Sorry I don’t buy it. I love characters like Alex Marshall and Helena because they are(were) true to themselves..always evil I never needed to be convinced that they had a heart of gold, because it didn’t matter to me. I loved Sonny in the beginning because the entire canvas was not about him, he was a strip club owner and Brenda made him human for me. I have been very happy with the way the show has been lately because they have started showing more character driven stories. It’s nto the mob that bothers me as much as the endless need to have MB and SBu on my screen every single day (or so it seems) Log in to Reply LawyerGirl04 January 28, 2010 OMG! I cannot wait for next week’s Performer of the Week podcast now! It has been such a long time since GH has been this exciting in one week. I don’t care what they are ripping off, this is good stuff. The actors on this show are knocking it out of the park left and right. It really doesn’t matter to me what the story is as long as the actors bring life to it and that is exactly what Jonathan Jackson and Dominic Zamprogna are doing this week. I believe their pain 100% and it’s magnificent to see acting THIS GOOD on a soap opera again! Log in to Reply season1217 January 28, 2010 Jamey, my favorite shows on television are Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Dexter, and Damages. All involve characters who do morally reprehensible things on a daily basis. I agree with your statement but can you honestly say that Sonny and Jason or really 99% of the characters on GH have been written in the past few years with the same depth, intelligence and nuance as the characters on the shows that I just mentioned or the soap characters you mention. I would have not a single problem if GH decided to focus solely on the mob but if Guza’s gonna steal from The Godfather, The Dark Knight, etc, etc., then why not do it in a way that doesn’t sacrifice character for plot. I know that’s nothing new in the soap world, especially, of late but GH really does hold a special place in my heart. And maybe my main issue with GH is that I’m still living in the 90’s. Also, troymcclure, the scene comes straight out of the ending of The Godfather. The baby’s being christened while someone gets popped. Log in to Reply sassysdreams January 28, 2010 Jamey – " I get that GH has spent the better part of a decade transforming into the Sonny and Jason Hour, but in recent years they have taken strides to balance that. What is the answer? Even though there are finally hospital stories, which people wanted for years, and other story threads that aren’t directly related to the mob, it seems the complaints stay the same. IMO GH is much better written than any of the CBS soaps, or DAYS for that matter. I just wonder if anything short of killing Sonny and Jason—which sorry, will piss off millions of fans who aren’t always online—GH ca do nothing to make peeps give it a break. JMO" Jamey I totally agree with everything you just said! GH Lover - It seems to me that you don’t appreciate DZ’s AWESOME acting talent in this scene because your Jason didn’t have much to say in it. Sorry but you really can’t have Jason as the main focus of every single scene. That would be totally boring. Log in to Reply Mobb Ish January 28, 2010 Jamey, you are 100% correct and the Mob influence is the ONLY reason I started watching General Hospital (I’m sure you all can tell from my moniker)….I always thought soaps were for girls and feminine men, so the only time I’d watch them is if my mom happened to tune into Y & R. I happened to be home sick from work one day and I saw Jason and Sonny in a shoot out. I can’t remember who the shoot out was with, but I’ve been HOOKED every day since. I can say that I do enjoy other story lines, and great acting, but w/o the Corinthos Mob, GH is no diff than Days of our Lives! I know they are not saints, but I’d rather watch them kill someone because that what the Mob does, than to have to watch Adam Wilson-Newman and the horrible things he’s done on Y & R anyday! I even tend to think that maybe Sonny might go to jail because that’s a fact of the Mob, but so is getting off so you guys would complain if he only did a week or so in jail right…LOL! Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin January 28, 2010 The world is going to stop spinning – I agree with Jamey again. Season I would say that yes, there is still a lot of work to be done on character development in the writing, but I think that Jamey is correct when he says we are seeing more hospital and a better balance and still the complaints are the same. I think GH gets trashed much more than other shows when they are bad. I am a huge mitch lawrence/Roscoe born fan but I have to say for example that his return this time has been dreadful. I will take MB/DZ having a showdown over mitch twirling his mustache any day and certainly over pretty much almost everything on AMC in the last year. Log in to Reply Jenny January 28, 2010 I’m looking forward to this. Log in to Reply ladyofthelake January 28, 2010 Jamey, agree with you 100%. Some fans of GH will never be happy and never stop bitching even if they get what they want. That includes me cause I know I bitch but I’m happy with my soap, it’s not here to cure cancer, it’s here to entertain and it’s entertaining a shit load of people. Ratings, I’m tired of hearing about it, it realy doesn’t refect daytime viewership correctly. All my friends who watch GH and don’t go online or blog about it, are loving GH till no end. If Sonny or Jason ever left, ratings would go down. I know people here won’t believe it but these characters are popular and have very loyal fans. It seems that online fans, for every soap, all they ever do is have fan wars over characters/couples/storylines. It’s kinda a negative experience most of the time. I think GH is a shoe in for best show emmy. With this storyline and Lucky chewing out Liz, plus it’ll most likely get another best writing emmy and the groaning moaning bitching scream fest will never end. I honestly fear that some people who post here would have a stroke if that happened, lol. Log in to Reply east.west January 28, 2010 This is good. But I would never ever compare this to those great cable dramas. It’s apples and oranges. Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 28, 2010 but can you honestly say that Sonny and Jason or really 99% of the characters on GH have been written in the past few years with the same depth, intelligence and nuance as the characters on the shows that I just mentioned or the soap characters you mention. *** No, of course they haven’t, because daytime writers don’t just turn out 13 episodes a season, or 22, they have to write episodes Mon-Fri all year long. That doesn’t lend itself to as much chance for nuance or style as primetime, yet many still accomplish it. I believe the GH writers do. A soap writer gets a breakdown on a Tuesday (if their show is lucky enough to still have breakdown writers) and has to have a script by the end of the week, that could be horribly re-written after the fact. For the aggrevation, they will make about $5,000, which to us, that might be good money, but in primetime, it would be anywhere from 13,000 to $22,000 (as a minimum). I have no doubt that Guza could do an amazing 13 week series, but having to churn out 80 page scripts every day is a beast unto itself for a head writer and his or her staff. It’s the absolute hardest job in television, except maybe firing Jeff Zucker. Soap Opera writing is a very taxing job. Not only do you have to tell story alll year long—at a fraction of what primetime writers make for five months works a year—but you also have to deal with micromanaging network execs, who fancy themselves soap writers, because they oozed in their knickers when Luke ran off with Laura 30 years ago and that inspired the to go into the business. I cut writers like Guza and Carlivati slack for managing to turn out reasonably enjoyable television under such extreme circumstances.The people who write Mad Men don’t have the same pressure to perform, yet look at how many primetime shows hit sophomore slumps. If Marc Cherry runs out of steam after a couple of years doing Desperate Housewives— which he did, thank God he got his groove back this season— and Michael Patrick King started to stink up the City and make us not want any more Sex during those middle years of his HBO hit, imagine what it’s like for a soap scribe in terms of trying to stay motivated and creative. Primetime soap writers won’t be held responsible for killing a genre if Mad Men is cancelled next year. It will be simply said the show ran its course. The writers I tend to slam are the ones who arrogantly smash through soaps with abandon, throwing out the rule book and the history, i.e. Chuck Pratt. I haven’t been watching GH for as long as a lot of people (92-93), but in the 17 or so years I’ve watched, I have enjoyed a lot of this regimes stories, mob and otherwise, and continue to do so. Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 28, 2010 Jamey, agree with you 100%. Some fans of GH will never be happy and never stop bitching even if they get what they want. That includes me cause I know I bitch but I’m happy with my soap, it’s not here to cure cancer, it’s here to entertain and it’s entertaining a shit load of people. *** Oh, I am not saying don’t bitch, LOL. I have made a business out of bitches (thanks Luke Kerr for convincing me to do this!), I will screech to the heavens until Liason is reunted, but that being said I still find SO MUCH to enjoy about this show, and you just don’t see that on the boards. GH takes a worse beating than any other soap on the air, and IMO that is unwarranted. Maybe it’s because I watch them all, and tend to compare and contrast, but I am still riveted by GH most days. I certainly can’t say that about Y&R. Even OLTL, which I think is the best soap on the air, doesn’t send electricity through my body the way GH does. Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 28, 2010 The world is going to stop spinning – I agree with Jamey again. *** LMAO EET, I think you and I see eye-to-eye on most of GH, it’s just that one little difference of opinion! Don’t worry, I ain’t done selling you on the merits of one dear, darling Lizzie Beth Webber! I’m gonna make you a fan yet! Log in to Reply Beth January 28, 2010 [quote]Okay, I see this complaint ad nauseum. So riddle me this. Do you watch primetime soaps like Dexter, where the protagonist is a serial killer, or Weeds, where the lead heroine is a dope peddler? What about Big Love? Damages? Why is it, that when it comes to soaps—which need to evolve more than any other dramatic form—that an amoral character being central so appalling?[/quote] First of all, Damages and the like are written 100% better and flesh out their characters much more in depth, IMO. And it would help if the amoral characters that are center stage had a foil worthy of their status. I don’t know enough about the characters that Jamey listed in his argument, but look at the PCPD on GH right now. Mac’s non-existent, except when they want him making a fool out of himself with karaoke. Lucky has been written as the World’s Dumbest Cop for years now, and trotted over to Jason’s place to basically lay out every piece of evidence they had on Claudia’s murder, or whatever. Dante started out as a cop determined to bring the bad guys down, but now has been watered down to sympathy towards Sonny and his family. Why can’t the moral characters have as strong a characterization as the amoral ones? Isn’t every good story needing both a strong protagonist and antagonist? And can’t the antagonist be written as a man with good characteristics without compromising the intelligence or moral code of the protagonist? I was a huge fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer in its day, and they had Buffy battling the "Big Bad" in the form of Spike for almost every year of the show’s inception, and Spike was as a popular character as Buffy was, and neither one had to sacrifice their essential characters to be so. You always wanted to Buffy to win, but you always pulled for Spike too. THAT’S good writing. I realize of course that the story beats that happen beyond the shooting have not played out, and hey, if they write the story the way I think it should be written, then I’ll gladly go on record and rescend what I’m saying here. But Dante’s talk with Olivia gave me little hope that the long-term ramifications of this stunt will turn into a good long-term story. I’d LOVE to see Dante and Sonny just become mortal enemies and be on opposite sides with no compromise. That would fuel story for years. Talk about your Hamlets! But I see the writing on the wall: Sonny walks, and Dante lets it all go in the end. Wash, rinse, repeat. I’m not blind. I realize just how popular Sonny and Jason are, and I know that my little rants on a message board are never going to change things. As long as the current formula keeps eyeballs glued, then it will continue on the same course. And loving the bad boy is a time-honored tradition. But just for once, there ought to be worthy adversaries that people who don’t like the mob can get behind. [quote]Even though there are finally hospital stories, which people wanted for years, and other story threads that aren’t directly related to the mob, it seems the complaints stay the same.[/quote] What hospital stories? You mean, Mike getting beat up and giving Patrick and whoever that blonde chick is five minutes to decide on treatment and then drop the story? Or Lulu using the hospital as a place to rip Liz a new one over her sleazy affair? Or Maxie conning some morgue guy to get a autopsy report? I guess my idea of a hospital story differs. There was an opportunity when they decided to do this sudden change in Chiefs of Staff, but that apparently would have required things Guza doesn’t like: Using Leslie Charleson for more than five minutes every two months; Writing a story that lasts more than a week for someone other than the mob people; And hiring a contract actor to play a role OTHER than mob guy #30,240. Yes, there have been other story beats playing out, but please – the mob takes up 80-90% of the week. It’s just a fact. Lulu and Dante could be a love story about them, but it’s tied up in – surprise, surprise – the mob story. The Nik/Liz/Lucky thing has definitely been a non-mob story, but it’s had about 2 helpings of story that they’ve tried to serve to about 1200 people. The past few months have been a merry-go-round of the same thing. Log in to Reply bkacct January 28, 2010 Incredible. Dominic Zamprogna and Maurice Benard sizzle. Can’t wait to see the full episode. And I totally agree with him being the best newcomer of the year. Log in to Reply GH LOVER January 28, 2010 Sassy dreams I am not saying or ever said that Jason should be the focus of GH never It will be boring All I am saying is that scenes was good By both actors … And Jamey well said Log in to Reply ashlovesgh January 28, 2010 Totally have goosebumps. I can’t wait to watch GH! Bravo to Dominic Zamprogna and Maurice Benard! Log in to Reply OldGHFan January 28, 2010 The clip seemed good. I guess the problem for me is that Bob Guza ONLY writes for Sonny, Jason and those people that give them a story. Every other character gets crumbs. And the fans know this. And after a decade of it, they get tired of it. They want the show to focus on some of the other characters as well. GH could be so much better if they put half as much attention on other characters that they put on Sonny and Jason. Log in to Reply season1217 January 28, 2010 Jamey, I could list dozens of soap characters who are/were just as smartly written and drawn as any prime time character. Sonny and Jason had a million times more depth ten years ago then they do now. Comparing prime time and daytime maybe like comparing apples and oranges but when it comes to character I expect the same from both. My issue is not with the mob or whether the hospital is featured more. My issue is solely with the way the characters are written and Guza’s obsession with stealing from movies and television with no thought of character. Now, whether it’s because he’s worn out (How long has he been head writing this show?) or because of executives getting in his way or both, I don’t know. But if all he’s going to do is steal from The Godfather day in and day out and NOT write with the same amount of intelligence as the film then it’s time for him to step down. Log in to Reply AWfanforever January 28, 2010 I love, love, love DZ! Best newcomer to come to GH in years. And this last week on GH is the best I’ve seen this show in years. I just hope the ratings will reflect that. Log in to Reply GH LOVER January 28, 2010 Season Guzza is now also ripping of from the greeks , A father almost killing his son is a real greek Tragedy , I know I am studying it LOL Log in to Reply watchingallday January 28, 2010 Jamey, I don’t watch Dexter, but I do watch Weeds and Damages. I can understand your argument about a central character engaging in legally/morally wrong acts written sympathetically or at the very least continually getting away with their crimes. The difference is that these characters are inarguably the stars of their shows. People tune in to watch the premise of a widowed housewife who comically started to sell drugs to provide for her family, gets in way over her head, and always lucks into getting away with her lifestyle; a lawyer who bends the rules to win her cases (usually against bad guys); and if I am not mistaken, a killer who only kills serial killers. They are each guilty of various degrees of criminal activity, but they are their shows. As far as soap bad guys go, I am a bit young to remember these guys at their heyday, but I think that they were at least treated like bad guys and not the central character of any of their shows. I think maybe the closest analogy is Todd Manning, who I actually like. He went to jail for his main crime and half the town hates him for that and the rest that he has done, including often times his own family. Even Adam Newman, who is hated by all but 2 people in town and his worst deeds have not even been made public yet, is not written as sympathetically Sonny. Sonny is the star of the show, we are meant to see him "struggle" with his lifestyle, even though he is an evil, cold hearted, selfish, arrogant, abusive, self righteous jerk, who is written as some antihero. Nothing that he does is good and he is a criminal, yet other characters are made to be the bad guys. The best example will be how Jax will be the biggest loser in all of this. He is helping put away a criminal who has brought danger to his family, but he will undoubtably be made to look like the bad guy. Also AJ, the notion that a criminal who already had a wife and child blown up is more suitable than a drunk who was on the wagon, is probably the root of my annoyance with the Sonny situation. He STOLE Michael and look what has happened to him. Having said all that, I do love GH and I watch everyday because it is my favorite soap. Seond to OLTL it is the most consistently well written show, even the mob stuff which has permeated every aspect of the show is well written and compelling. I am not saying kill Sonny, but if ever there was one singular act or storyline that he needs to be made to pay for, it is shooting a cop point blank in his living room, regardless of him being his son or not! Sorry for the long length, if it helps I shortened it a good bit. Also, I still think you are hilarious on the podcasts, if that helps. Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 28, 2010 See, I think Sonny does have depth. Jason too. Over and over again, they show how and why their past actions will haunt them forever. Jason can never be with his son and protect him at the same time. Sonny now has to deal with a son who aspires to the same life he only entered into because he had no other options. I look at DAYS where ratings are up as Victor hates Carly for no reason and EJ orchestrates kidnappings, and GH looks like the Pacific Ocean in terms of character depth and motivation. Is it borrowed from the Godfather? Of course, all crime dramas since te GF have been to some extent. Jackie Collins’ Chances (my favorite book) was helmed "The Godfather Goes to Bed" by critics. I don’t think GH plays the mob so much simply because Guza has a nut for that world, though he definitely does. I think they play it because, let’s face it, in the last 15 years who have been the show’s two most popular characters? Sonny and Jason. Sure, 5,000 people on message boards don’t like them, but I would gather hundreds of thousands more do. I hear from women in my life all the time who adore Sonny, simply because he is fine. They aren’t "diehard" soapers who get online, but they do watch. You go to a Tyler Perry play, and one of the characters mentions watching Sonny on GH, and women SCREAM OUT in the theatre, this literally happened once, that’s why they keep him front and center. Same with Jason. Who this blonde hulk boinks has everybody in the soap world up in arms, including me. They are popular, wildly so, and the demos support that. This is why GH gets a pass on ratings. Sure, they are watched overall by about the same number of people, but GH kills their sister sudsers in demos, and that is in large part due to Sonny and Jason and the sexual mythology they have weaved around those characters. Log in to Reply GH LOVER January 28, 2010 Jamey again you rock I don’t need to say anything you say it instead Log in to Reply season1217 January 28, 2010 [quote=GH LOVER] Season Guzza is now also ripping of from the greeks , A father almost killing his son is a real greek Tragedy , I know I am studying it LOL[/quote] lol. GHLover, I can be very morbid in my viewing tastes and I love things like that. I know there is nothing new under the sun and if this had happened with the Sonny I knew thirteen years ago I’d be on the edge of my seat. Log in to Reply blackjack21 January 28, 2010 i still hate olivia – but man i got chills! lulu looked awesome steve burton remains very hot sonny is a bastard and i pray carly and jax stay together. new beginnings indeed Log in to Reply GH LOVER January 28, 2010 Seasons lol , we all know that Sonny will get trough this, But don’t we always see a movie and will know that the hero will be oK??? I think it is how it is shown Black Jack LOL you should add Jason not wearing a Black shirt LOL Log in to Reply AllmyDaysatGh January 28, 2010 Awesome. Log in to Reply maxsmom January 28, 2010 Jamey, FF Coppola actually had great source material from Mario Puzo’s book, once he didn’t we got Godfather 3. Having said that, I agree that there are a few large plots that get reused ad nauseum but that doesn’t free current writers from the need to be creative. When I walked into Up in the Air a few weeks ago I thought I had the ending figured out by the middle, I loved the movie in part because I was wrong. Think about a show like Lost, there are devoted Kate/Jack, Kate/Sawyer, Juliet/Jack, and Juliet/Sawyer fans and while I am Kate/Jack, Juliet/Sawyer, I could understand it going the other way because of the way the show has been written. And I love Modern Family because it has managed to breathe fresh air into the stalest of genres, the family sitcom. As for the difficulty in soap writing, I counter with the ability to flesh out character and story over 250 episodes as compared to less than 25, and they have sprawling casts with which to play, Guza is a hack because he chooses to feature SBu and MB more than 80% of the time, and DZ has been on more than 90% of the time since he arrived. Guza’s a hack because the women on this show takes turns of the spit based on the needs of the men. Guza’s a hack because he had all the publicity in the world when James Franco joined the show, the critics tuned in and scrathed their heads. James made fun of himself on SNL and told the WSJ it was part of a larger performance art piece. The fans, they continued to tune out in droves. Log in to Reply FaisonFanInTexas January 28, 2010 Jamey! You’re gonna bring EET over to the Liz side??? I don’t THINK so! LOL But that would be a coup!! Log in to Reply Ravennite613 January 28, 2010 Maxsmom Log in to Reply blackjack21 January 28, 2010 gh lover it goes without saying! the blue in the suit and his eyes…yum Log in to Reply sassysdreams January 28, 2010 Jamey – "I will screech to the heavens until Liason is reunted, but that being said I still find SO MUCH to enjoy about this show, and you just don’t see that on the boards." Sadly Jamey that is one couple that I never liked and will never root for! Zero chemistry between those two and totally BORING. I certainly hope GH never goes down that particular road again!!! Log in to Reply troymcclure January 28, 2010 [quote=season1217] Also, troymcclure, the scene comes straight out of the ending of The Godfather. The baby’s being christened while someone gets popped.[/quote] That is what is Guza is getting blamed for, alternating a child being born or christened while another life (possibly) ends? You all realize that there are tons of scenes like this pre-dating Coppola in literature and movies. Just the other day I was watching a brittish crime drama that had the main character kill his father while his child was being born. Log in to Reply season1217 January 28, 2010 troy, I wouldn’t say I was blaming Guza but he frequently takes from The Godfather. The wife dying in a car bomb, the daughter in a physically abusive relationship, etc., etc. Like I wrote before there is nothing new under the sun. I get that. I think I have said over and over again in this thread what my problem is with Guza and that’s the fact that he takes from movies but, in my opinion, does very little in the way of character development. Log in to Reply growpeas January 29, 2010 [quote=season1217][quote=Jamey Giddens]LMAO, and Francis Ford Coppola had Shakespeare’s with King Lear, Macbeth, etc. There are only seven plots in literature. Everyone bothers from everyone. GH started as a daytime version of Dr. Kildaire. They all borrow. Twilight’s author readily admits she was inspired by Pride and Prejudice. Why when Guza does it, he’s a hack? [/quote] One word. CHARACTER! Guza’s characters are as richly drawn as the stick figure in the game Hangman. [/quote] IA season1217 – GH is an extremely plot-driven soap to the point that the majority of the characters are as one-note as they come. Also – Guza and his writing team are horrible at recognizing history and tend to rewrite it to suit their whims. Log in to Reply samanthadelayed January 29, 2010 OMG! When Olivia starts shouting "Dante" you could see the confusion start to show on Sonny’s face.. This is some awesome stuff! I can’t wait. Log in to Reply growpeas January 29, 2010 [quote=growpeas][quote=season1217][quote=Jamey Giddens]LMAO, and Francis Ford Coppola had Shakespeare’s with King Lear, Macbeth, etc. There are only seven plots in literature. Everyone bothers from everyone. GH started as a daytime version of Dr. Kildaire. They all borrow. Twilight’s author readily admits she was inspired by Pride and Prejudice. Why when Guza does it, he’s a hack? [/quote] One word. CHARACTER! Guza’s characters are as richly drawn as the stick figure in the game Hangman. [/quote] IA season1217 – GH is an extremely plot-driven soap to the point that the majority of the characters are as one-note as they come. Also – Guza and his writing team are horrible at recognizing history and tend to rewrite it to suit their whims.[/quote] I probably should’ve added that despite my above comments… I am enjoying GH a bit more than I was earlier this year – mostly due to DZ (Dante). I had quit GH only to be lured back with the spoilers related to Valentine Cassadine – and stuck around through the lackluster Franco storyline and this horrid Niz/Lucky stuff – because DZ is selling his character. Looking forward to this coming week. Log in to Reply Chels725 January 29, 2010 damn this looks good. better set a timer on my tv cause this is can’t miss. thank god GH has no competition where i live. Log in to Reply diana_m January 29, 2010 I want Sonny to go to jail already. *** SPOILER ALERT **** I read that Dominic and Olivia are going to cover for Sonny. UGH! They should testify and land him in jail for shooting a cop. That would be interesting. Something we haven’t seen on GH. Let Sonny go to jail. They can shoot some scenes with him and Papa Z. Then see how people are affected by Sonny being carted off to jail and actually punished for his actions. Does Michael fight Jason for control of the mob? Could we have the cops be good and capable now that we have JJ/Lucky and Dante? That would be great. To have the cops be the good guys and the mobsters be the bad guys. YES, he is a great new cast member. General Hospital has a lot of really great actors and actreses. Log in to Reply ahanshew January 29, 2010 I am going to away from the philosophical tonight, but I do have two things to say. DZ is an amazing actor and GH was lucky to get him. Even w/the cheesy gold chains. And Steve Burton is lookin’ FINE in that suit!!! Log in to Reply Teach19 January 29, 2010 Jamey, I think what upsets people is that Sonny is given s/l’s that seem to glorify the mob life. When Sonny was with Brenda he had a heart. Now he is just a mixed up man without a heart!!! I don’t want Guza to get rid of Sonny and Jason, but give them a s/l that involves matters ot the heart. Why couldn’t Sonny have discover Dante was his son without the "shooting". Why did the big reveal have to be with a violent act?? I don’t think Guza or the people in charge care what the fans think or want. This fan wants great stories not more violence!! Frankly, I am tired of giving tptb a break–I want my show back!!! Log in to Reply MandaPanda1331 January 29, 2010 I purposely was going to not watch GH until Sunday because I knew I couldn’t wait until Monday for the big reveal scenes. This tease was just as bad! Now i can’t wait to watch today and tomorrow’s show!!!! Curse you good editing previews! Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin January 29, 2010 Teach I am baffled when I hear comments about the violence on GH. Seriously this is the show where Decker’s buddy was decapitated and his head was left in a dumpster. GH has been about the mob to one extent or another all the way back to the days of Tracy’s husband Mitch, Luke, Frank Smith and Roy DeLucca. I think this is a great story, tremendously soapy, and the fact that Sonny shot Dante is going to make a lasting impact on the canvas. Lets put it this way, if Sonny found out Dante was his son and didnt shoot him, yes, we would still have the dramatic reveal, but we wouldnt have Sonny’s guilt. The story would then be all about his anger with Olivia and as much as I am looking forward to her getting a little what what soon, the truth is we have seen Sonny and betrayal a million times. This is so much better because Michael is jealous of Dante already. Sonny’s guilt will drive him to obsess about being with Dante and that is going to make Michael feel even more resentful. I for one love it. Jamey, Mayjador suggested some storyline for your Lizzie Beth and it might actually be something I want to see, but I will never ever be a fan of Jiz. In fact, I hope her time in Shadybrook resolves some of these questions about why she cares so damn much about what the world thinks of her and why she feels compelled to live this perfect little life in public while in private she is tramping up stairs and launch herself across moats. LOL. I want her to realize that all along she loved only one man, Lucky, and that she now wants to fight for him old school Liz style. That might make me not loathe the character any more. That an an apology to Sam for trying to snake her man. (Yep I went there and bought real estate) Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 29, 2010 Soaps tell all sorts of stories that glorify social ills. Adultery is glorified. Scheming is glorified. Murder is glorified. Corporate espionage is glorified. Why is it wrong for daytime to glorify the mob? Log in to Reply ghaddict January 29, 2010 wow I TOTALLY AGREE Jamey….. I really don’t think there is anything Guza can do that won’t piss some people off…..GH IMO has been a consistantly good show…. The clip was AWESOME……I can’t wait!!!!!!!!!!!! Log in to Reply troymcclure January 29, 2010 Great points Jamey and it’s not just soaps that glorify the mob, movies as well. I have lived in the south of Italy, I have seen what the REAL mob does firsthand so I can separate fact from fiction. GH’s mob isn’t really the mob and neither is the Godfather. Man, I’m so darn stoked to see this, it is gonna be friggin awesome!!!! Log in to Reply sassysdreams January 29, 2010 EET – Sold! LOL Jamey – It’s not wrong. Log in to Reply JasonMorganIsAHottie January 29, 2010 Maybe I’m a traditionalist, but back in the day I signed on to GH because it was listed as a HOSPITAL DRAMA. Today’s episodes are but a shell of that. Bottom line – that is THE thing that pisses me off about this show. Also, put aside the fact my account name JMISAH (I’m really more of a SBu fan anyway) and consider this thought: Back in the day, how would fans of the Sopranos like tuning into their show each week if what showed up on their screen looked more like ‘e.r.", and the writers/EP put up with it because George Clooney, Eric La Salle, Noah Wiley, John Stamos, etc., brought them ratings due to the beefcake factor. That being said, I’ve been following along these X number of years with the takeover of the mob factor. And some stories are great, some pretty lame, and then there’s the wash rinse repeat factor. I’m still holding out hope with the emergence of Dante the cop that there’s a changing of the guards and the Sonny factor lands in the big house. Which reminds me and I guess this question’s for Jamey- back in the 90’s when I suppose ABC had the chance, why is it that ABC did not spinoff the Sonny/Jason mob hour and name ‘that’ Port Charles, and keep the hospital factor in GH? To me that would’ve made more sense. Then again, would they both still be on the air today? Log in to Reply damien January 29, 2010 you took EVERY word right out of my mouth…its like we have the same brain..lol..I used to love this show, but now I could care less about it. Guza & co has dropped the ball on sooooo many missed opportunities its pathetic….and just to add…those shows that Jamey mentioned are on cable television–and for good reason too because they are so violent…not to mention they air only once a wk for about four months whereas GH is five days of wk every wk and is just too violent for a daytime serial..furthermore,it’s too repititious and just downright phony…If Johnny feels that Sonny killed his sister, he should’ve offed him by now…the same for Alcazar when he discovered Alexis killed his twin, Luis…And if you’re gonna shoot a cop, you do it execution style..not in the chest! Log in to Reply Lilly January 29, 2010 DZ has incredible talent,& stage presence — He is the real deal and hopefully will be on this show for a long time and the dante?Lulu story line will continue. Best duo since Robert Scorpio and Anna Devane~~~ and of course there is ALWAYS Luke and Laura But if anyone deserves an Award the next time around it is most defiantely DZ!!! Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 29, 2010 GH hasn’t been simply a "hospital drama" in over 30 years. Luke and Laura, Robert and Anna, Sean and Tiffany, Sonny and Brenda, most of the shows most iconic pairings had little to do with the hospital. Sure the hospital was always a factor—which it one again is now—but when I see a lot of old school GH fans talking online about what they miss, it’s rarely just about the hospital. The WSB, Lucy, Ned and Lois, none of these were elements that you would find on simply a hospital drama, yet they are some of the most popular in the shows history. Post Luke and Laura, saying GH is a hospital drama is like saying DAYS is a show about a Midwestern doctor, his wife and five kids. GH morphed a long time ago, and was almost cancelled at the end of the 70s, because it only revolved around the hospital. Had Monty not introduced Luke and the mob elements, the show wouldn’t be on the air. Log in to Reply sassysdreams January 30, 2010 Thank you Jamey! I’ve been watching since 1974 and that is exactly how I remember it as well. The mob was present in the 70’s and it’s present now. Maybe now it’s a little more violent and in your face but it’s always been there. 100% hospital stories would be boring to me. I don’t watch ER or Grey’s Anatomy for just that reason. I like a mix of storylines so if they keep a good balance I would be a happy camper! Log in to Reply season1217 January 30, 2010 This is a link to an interview done with Agnes Nixon and below that is an excerpt from a question she was asked. http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/29/all-my-children-agnes-nixon/ When primetime soap operas like Desperate Housewives became all the rage, were you concerned they would impact daytime dramas? It’s not the same kind of storytelling. It’s on once a week. The beauty of a soap, for me as a writer, is to go into the characters. I think daytime soaps are the form of entertainment that mirrors real life. It didn’t bother me because it just skimmed over what I write about — and I don’t mean to sound like an evangelist — which is sin and redemption. Not sin in a religious sense, but a person who can be bad, evil, whatever, and makes a turn. Nighttime can’t take the time and the depth to go into the characters’ makeup and what causes the drama that results. Log in to Reply damien January 30, 2010 you and jamey are missing the point…we long time fans are very much aware of the mob presence yesteryear…its just that back in the day mobsters like Frank Smith were not glorified, nor did they become the center of the show. Frank Smith was a peripheral character. When the Labines wrote GH Sonny was a peripheral character too..The show was well written; it was believable and most of all balance. Yes,GH is still better than most of the other soaps…but that’s because the other shows’ writers are WORSE, not because Guza is great. Also, GH has better actors and directors…what makes a soap good or even semi-watchable is not just the storylines..its actors, producers, directors, set designs, etc. All of these are important for a great show since it’s a collaborative effort, and GH is much better at this than other shows. Yes, Friday’s eppy was riveting but what we long time fans are saying is that its overkill (no pun intended) with the same EXACT fallout. We all know that Dominic Z is not being fired nor is Maurice..therefore the outcome will always be the same: Sonny gets away again! How often are we gonna see explosions and shoot outs and have noone pay? Even Todd on OLTL went to jail. Guza may be billed as the head writer but in all actuality, the producers and ABC execs contribute to storytelling, so there’s no excuse for the repetitiveness. Log in to Reply GHvetfan January 30, 2010 Jamey – I think the reason that GH gets the most complaints is because GH has the largest percentage of former viewers. GH was the one on the cover of Newsweek. Every single member of my family has watched the show at one time or another. People who don’t watch the show any more bitch about it. There are far more complainers about GH because it was loved by far more people and they don’t recognize it. I don’t mind the mob but I would like to see more Robin, Alexis, Monica, Edward, and Mac. I don’t understand why Sonny and Jason can’t be on 3 days instead of 5 in a week. I really think the Liz and Nik stuff would have played out better if we got to see what motivated them. The same could be said for Lucky and Sam. That started when both characters wanted revenge. We saw that and then nothing for weeks at a time. They were supposed to be getting a story with a drug investigation but that ended with Jason batting clean up. I am still not sure why Sonny had to be present for Lulu yelling at Liz. Do they have to swallow the show? I think folks are gun shy. They know how this story will end so why bother? I think that is the reason for the declining ratings. They just don’t surprise us. Sonny wins despite the fact that they write him as the stupidest guy ever. He blames Johnny for everything. He never makes sense and Jason rescues everybody. Please surprise us soon Guza before it is too late. I think there are many viewers just waiting for good news about this show. Tthey want to hear that the show is interesting and then they will come back. Log in to Reply damien January 30, 2010 Thank you GHvetfan! Well said! Log in to Reply GHvetfan January 31, 2010 You are very welcome!! Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens January 31, 2010 With all due respect to Mrs. Nixon, I throrougly disagree with what she is saying about primetime soaps in terms of character development. Primetime soaps have shown character arcs since Peyton Place, and especially on the classic 80’s primetime soaps, especially Knots Landing had well-drawn characters who grew and evolved over the course of the show’s run. Modern primetime soaps are a bit more episodic, but I would say I have learned more about the character development of Gabby Solis than I have Greenlee Smythe during the past half a decade. Log in to Reply JasonMorganIsAHottie February 1, 2010 Damien and GHvetFan-thanks! You better defined my points and I appreciate and agree with what you followed up on. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.