HomeTVGeneral HospitalGeneral Hospital: Perkie’s Observations Perkie February 23, 2010 General Hospital 86 Comments Poor, poor Dante. When he’s not busy making sure Jason doesn’t kill him, he’s fending off Sonny’s advances, because that’s totally what it feels like. Sonny is the jilted boy trying so hard to get the girl to like him. This time however, the girl is his adult son, who he shot in the chest, who doesn’t want anything to do with him. For some reason, Sonny thinks that because Corinthos blood flows in Dante’s veins it means that Dante will forget Sonny is a criminal and they’ll be able to hang out shooting cops together. Dante probably spent his entire childhood wondering who his father was, only to find out that he’s the biggest criminal on the Eastern seaboard. Dante to Sonny: “I’m honest. You’re not. I follow the law, you break it. I save lives, you kill.” The fact that Sonny refuses to understand Dante’s point just makes me want to smack him. I loved Olivia telling Sonny how it is, again. “I will never apologize for keeping my son out of your world of crime and corruption.” Jason wins the hypocrite of the day award. He was going on and on to Dante about how he should be grateful to his father. Why? Because they share DNA? Sonny shot him point blank in the chest for the sole purpose of killing him, but now he’s supposed to hang out with him and be his son? Jason, how hard did Alan try to have a relationship with you for all those years, but you wouldn’t give him the time of day? He never shot you either. So, shut it. I didn’t understand Lulu’s sudden decision that Jason, the criminal, is better than Sonny, the criminal. Jason basically admits that he set up the hit on Dante. Lulu’s answer is, "Well, you wouldn’t have shot him in the chest like Sonny did." No, but he would have made sure the tires on his car blew out so he could go flying over a cliff. I loved the Lucky/Maxie scene. I find Maxie far more interesting and less irritating when she’s not in scenes with Spinelli. It was interesting that Johnny showed up at the Haunted Star to let Ethan know that is was his life he saved. It wasn’t necessary since Ethan had no idea who the other shooter was. It looks like Olivia will benefit from Johnny’s new adrenaline high. Did Liz check into Shadybrook to get some time to herself or to get a parade of visitors? Nikolas, back off already. I do like that she says she won’t hurt Lucky again. Let’s hope she keeps that promise. Line of the day: Liz to Nik: “You already have one kid you pretty much ignore.” Perkie: "BURN!" 86 Responses jpp1975 February 23, 2010 Today’s great moments: Liz being the voice of the audience, and telling Nik he keeps Spencer in the kidz kloset. Dante chewing out Sonny. And I thought the same thing when Jason went on and on about "respecting" your father–he treated Alan like crap for 15 years! And all Alan wanted to do was love him, not shoot him/make him commit perjury/give up his career. Does Jason even listen to himself? Log in to Reply sb_fan February 23, 2010 lol @ the line of the day. Liz said that to Nik??? Ok..that was funny and so dead on..I’m not even gonna make fun of her today because Nikolas really is the worst father on GH IMO. Log in to Reply Courtney fan4life February 23, 2010 With BA unable to film due to his injury thast why Maxie has all these pointless sceens with ppl. And I dsiagree Perkie Spixie rules! Stop hating. There like Penny and Sheldon from Big bang theory. Log in to Reply cydkatie February 23, 2010 Am I the only one who remembers that Heather Webber, who was married to Jeff, had a son named Stephen Lars? Although I can’t say for sure, I don’t recall this ever being mentioned. Or am I mis-remembering? Log in to Reply cecepepe February 23, 2010 ITA Perkie with everything you said. I find it funny that Nik helped put Liz here and he’s still pushing her. The girl almost had a breakdown and it doesn’t seem to matter. Loved her line about Spencer. Sonny and Jason throw around the word "respect" like it means something to them. What a joke. Loved Olivia today and everything she said to Sonny but let’s fact it this won’t last and she’ll be kissing Sonny within a week, Log in to Reply maxsmom February 23, 2010 Actually if Jason had approached Dante from the perspective of a man who shut out his father because he thought the distance between them was too great only to watch that man die and then realize that he had made a mistake, that would have been an interesting conversation. I don’t understand where they are taking Jason. He referred to Dante as a rat cop. What does that mean? Is it because Dante successfully infiltrated the organization? Is it because he feels he missed something? Are all cops who want Sonny’s organization brought down, rat cops? I haven’t liked Jason since Jasam 2 because the Jason I loved and I repeat the Jason I, Maxsmom loved would not have reunited with Sam, but this bloodlust for Dante the cop takes Jason even further away from man I once adored and it makes me sad. I guess I never loved Sonny as much as I loved Jason because I can no longer stand Sonny at all. He seems to live in a fantasyland where those he "loves" must forgive him of anything while he yells betrayal for slights real and imagined. Log in to Reply mayjadjor February 23, 2010 I didn’t know whether I wanted to kill or kiss Nik today. He’s a self absorbed jackass for going into Liz’s room, when she’s obviously unstable, and pressuring her about being with him and raising their child. I’m glad Liz was snarky with him because he deserved it. On the other hand, anyone who drives that tramp even more insane is good with me. I’m kinda glad she’s finally feeling some of the pain she’s put so many people through during her time in PC. Ever since Sonny shot Dante, I’m loving the Sonny s/l. I’m not really on Sonny’s side, but I’m digging seeing him grovel for his son’s love. It kinda reminds me of when Mike came to town and how Sonny wouldn’t give him the time of day. I love that Olivia has been sticking to her guns with regard to how she raised Dante. She did the right thing, except she should have told Dante about Sonny when he came to town. Glad to see some JoLivia lovin too. It’s been a while. Jason kinda pissed me off on the roof, cuz I disagreed with him, but on the other hand, he’s right. That’s the way the mob works. That’s why it’s so dangerous to be an undercover cop. The fact that Lulu was too naive to understand what a mob boss does before her man got shot is her problem, not Jason’s. I loved the Jason and Lucky scene. Anytime it is made clear that Jason cares about Liz only because she birthed his son is a great GH day for me. I could actually see disgust on his face when Lucky told him about her latest pregnancy by the latest guy. It looks like he’s seen the light and is finally ready to admit that Liz is a fake. Log in to Reply Analiza February 23, 2010 Perkie, I totally agree with most of what you said. In fact, I was cheering at my TV today when Elizabeth called Nikolas out, when Dante was confronting Jason and when Olivia FINALLY said what she should have a long time ago to Sonny. The only part I disagree with you on is Maxie. While it’s true Kirsten Storms can handle much meatier material than what the writers usually give her, for me the kookiness of Spixie is usually a welcome relief from all the insanity that goes along with the mob stuff. I did like KS today but I couldn’t quite figure out whether Maxie was actually being insightful or somehow just stumbled onto a major point quite by accident when she said, "Is it fair to let [Elizabeth] base her recovery on something that isn’t real?" (Exactly what Elizabeth did when Lucky went into recovery and she told him the baby she was carrying was his.) Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 23, 2010 I didn’t see disgust on Jason’s face when Lucky told him about Liz being pregnant, I just saw "Oh, that sux" blink blink. Same old Stone Cold.. Every time Sonny goes on and on about not being able to get to know his son and how he was deprived of his son’s life by Olivia keeing Sonny away from him, I’m just want someone to yell "How do you think AJ felt when you stole Michael from him?". Sonny and Jason are both hypocrites when they try and get Dante to give Sonny a chance. Jason never gave Alan a chance and Sonny didn’t let AJ have his chance. Loved what Dante said to Sonny at the end. I LOVED the Ethan scenes. He really grew on me. I used be so annoyed by him. Now he’s very entertaining. I think I’ll like Johnny and Ethan working together if it goes that route. I liked what Liz said to Nik about him never seeing Spencer. Seriously, why does he want Liz to get an early paternity when it has a greater risk of miscarriage than just waiting. Why’s he so eager to have another kid when he already ignores the one he has? And if he really loved Liz like he says he does, he wouldn’t be over there pressuring her and ready to stake claim to child that’s not even born yet. I just want this whole mess to be over with and want my Spencer family with a Spencer baby. If Laura can forgive Luke for raping her, I hope Lucky can forgive Liz for the Niz mess… Log in to Reply mayjadjor February 23, 2010 PurpleRocks… Nik’s actions with Liz today show me that he doesn’t love her. He’s obsessed with her and wants what he wants, but he’s not acting caring toward her or giving her what she needs. It’s totally opposite from how he would treat Emily if she was hurting. I’m aware that some will disagree because of the Conner situation, but mostly he was very loving and gentle toward her. I couldn’t help comparing how he is with Liz now to how he was with Emily during her cancer s/l, and it was totally different. Liz needs to get it together and work her ass off to get Lucky back. Log in to Reply curacaoman February 23, 2010 I just got why Nik is always looking to all sides, TC is reading the teleprompter! He cannot act his way out of a cereal box! Log in to Reply crazy4gh February 23, 2010 Perkie, The minute the words came out of Liz’s mouth, I knew you would make it the line of the day!! LMAO when she said that to Nik!! Log in to Reply BigDede February 23, 2010 Oh those Lucky/Maxie scenes. How sweet was it to see Lucky talking to the woman he cheated on Liz with about Liz. Wow what great scenes. Whatever. Is TIIC making me hate Lucky on purpose or is it just the writing. Maxie is the last person Lucky should be talking to about Liz. Also what is with Lucky promising that he will continue to be a father to Cam and Jake to Jason. Why is he promising Jason anything? Jason should be lucky that Lucky is willing to be a father to Jake since Jason’s life is too dangerous for Jake to be in his life. Also Jason didn’t look disgusted at all. Haters will say he threw up in that scene. The Ethan/Johnny scenes were off but I enjoyed them because of Johnny. I just hated he was with Olivia. I had to FF those scene. That couple is over. Olivia destroyed them with her obsession over Sonny and her not telling the police Sonny tried to kill Dante and the fact she almost got Johnny killed. I would say I loved the Liz/Nik scenes. I liked Nik telling Liz he loved her. I liked Liz saying that she is there because of her feelings for both Lucky/Nik. I didn’t like him pushing her but if it brings on that Cassadine obsession, I’m all for it. I didn’t like him bring up the paternity issue at all since she just got into a mental hospital. Dante’s attack dog went into attack mode on Jason. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin February 23, 2010 But if she honestly feels Spencer is ignored why hasnt she said anything before now, given that she is the kid’s Aunt? This is one of the things that makes no sense to me with the writing and the two characters in question….she makes a half hearted attempt to get him to deal with his tumor but she is all over him about nadine. Whats more important – that your bff gets the medical treatment so he doesnt die or that his love life runs smoothly? She is all over him about Rebecca but she has said nothing over the last 6 years about Spencer growing up ignored. Am I the only one that this doesnt make sense to?? If that was my friend I would have smacked him upside the head and said I dont care if you date a mannequin carved in the likeness of Emily but get that tumor dealt with and stop ignoring your kid..then I would have smacked him again for good measure. Log in to Reply sassysdreams February 23, 2010 Perkie surprise but I agree with several of your points! Liz to Nik: “You already have one kid you pretty much ignore.” Dante to Sonny: “I’m honest. You’re not. I follow the law, you break it. I save lives, you kill.” The fact that Sonny refuses to understand Dante’s point just makes me want to smack him. I loved Olivia telling Sonny how it is, again. “I will never apologize for keeping my son out of your world of crime and corruption.” I so totally agree with you! Nik loves Liz so much he’s willing to risk the life of his maybe baby by pushing an early paternity test on her. Yeah that’s real love! Talk about Jason being a hypocrite! Remember your father Alan? I really enjoyed Lucky & Maxie’s scenes today. And oddly enough she did give him excellent advice. Still wish GH had run a PSA about driving while talking on the phone and texting at the same time! Loved the Ethan/Luke/Tracy scenes. They work so well off of each other! Ethan is really growing on me. Is the new Johnny storyline the beginning of the end for him? Does he really think he can take on Sonny’s entire organization by himself? I don’t think Olivia is going to be too happy with his new career path. I really feel bad for Dante! So many people pulling him in different directions. DZ is doing an awesome job! Loved Dante standing up to Jason and Lulu holding him after the confrontation, noticed he was trembling and hugged him tighter. I love how they support each other. Truly amazing chemistry! Loving Lante!!! Log in to Reply samrocks February 23, 2010 I thought the Hypocrite Award of the Day went to Ms. Webber, when she snarked out Nikolas for assuming that the new baby "would bring them together" if he turns out to be the father… Um – hells yeah that’s what Nik assumes, and for good reason, too! Nik is no fool – he was paying attention during that Year of Jiz we had to suffer through. So while I gave Liz *much* credit for calling him out on his bad parenting skills, the fact that she would even PRETEND that she doesn’t believe a baby creates a permanent bond between the parents was laughable. Also, for everyone that was SO pissed at the fact that Lucky had "selective memory" with respect to his own infidelity, I hope you were paying attention to his scenes with Maxie. And speaking of Maxie, who the freak do I have to shoot to get KS in a new outfit (and hairstyle)!?!?!?! Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 23, 2010 I agree mayjadjor. I’m not sure what the writers are selling. Is Nik supposed to really be in love with Liz but TC’s acting or the writing doesn’t show it? Or is Nik supposed to be obsessed with Liz b/c his true Cassadine side is coming out? I have no clue where the writers are going with this. Maybe the writers don’t know and they’re just playing by ear and not committing which is why everything is so wishy washy. But from what I see, it’s not love. I hope this is not the end for Johnny. I really like him. I like the character and the actor. Log in to Reply sassysdreams February 23, 2010 purplerocks – I really like the Johnny character and the actor as well. But will the GH writers give him something to keep him in PC? I hope so! Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 23, 2010 Unless I misunderstood, I don’t think that Liz was denying that a baby creates a permanent bond between the parents, I think she was just pissed that Nik is going there right now when she’s trying to make things work with Lucky and while she’s trying to get her head straight. Nik doesn’t seem to care about what Liz or Lucky want. He wants the baby to be his not b/c he wants another baby, but b/c he wants Liz, knowing full well what that would mean for his brother. And he wants it so bad he’s willing to risk the baby’s life. Nik’s being a douchebag. Log in to Reply sassysdreams February 23, 2010 [quote=PurpleRocks]Unless I misunderstood, I don’t think that Liz was denying that a baby creates a permanent bond between the parents, I think she was just pissed that Nik is going there right now when she’s trying to make things work with Lucky and while she’s trying to get her head straight. Nik doesn’t seem to care about what Liz or Lucky wants. He wants the baby to be his not b/c he wants another baby, but b/c he wants Liz, knowing full well what that would mean for his brother. And he wants it so bad he’s willing to risk the baby’s life. Nik’s being a douchebag.[/quote] Guess what purplerocks, I agree with you! Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 23, 2010 sassydreams, Johnny knocking Olivia up would keep him around I think. As much as Olivia annoys me sometimes, I think it’d be good drama if a mobster knocks her up again, bringing a baby into the mob world, which is exactly what she was trying to avoid with Dante. Sonny and Jason wouldn’t kill the father of Olivia’s baby would they? Well then again, they tried to kill a cop so maybe they would. But I think Dante would try and make sure Sason doesn’t kill the father of his mother’s baby which would be his half-sibling. Log in to Reply samrocks February 23, 2010 Maxie is the last person Lucky should be talking to about Liz. BigDede…Why? It would be one thing if he sought her out just to gossip – like Patrick sought Liz out to gossip about Robin during the PPD storyline, but that’s not how it happened. He was so distracted over the Niz drama that he got into an accident! Perhaps if he had the opportunity to talk it over with someone without a vested interest in a particular outcome BEFORE he got behind the wheel, then maybe he wouldn’t have been in an accident in the first place. Also, if the rule is that the cheater should never talk to the person with whom they carried on the affair, then I hope that you will demonstrate the same amount of disgust for Liz whenever she inevitably goes to "seek comfort" from her "close friend" Jason. Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 23, 2010 That makes two things we agree on, Johnny rocks and Nik’s a douche Log in to Reply sassysdreams February 23, 2010 PurpleRocks – That would be an interesting storyline but I don’t think the writers are that clever. Sigh…… Log in to Reply samrocks February 23, 2010 I *really* need some Nik fans on this board – and I don’t mean NIZ fans (that excludes you BigDede), because I really, truly *want* to understand how ANYONE could view this man as a character with any rootability! If there are any NIK fans out there, then PLEASE…help me understand!!!! Log in to Reply sassysdreams February 23, 2010 Samrocks – "Also, if the rule is that the cheater should never talk to the person with whom they carried on the affair, then I hope that you will demonstrate the same amount of disgust for Liz whenever she inevitably goes to "seek comfort" from her "close friend" Jason." Samrocks I totally agree with you! If this was actually the rule then more than half the characters in PC wouldn’t talk to each other. How boring would that be?! Log in to Reply sb_fan February 23, 2010 Samrocks said : I thought the Hypocrite Award of the Day went to Ms. Webber, when she snarked out Nikolas for assuming that the new baby "would bring them together" if he turns out to be the father… Um – hells yeah that’s what Nik assumes, and for good reason, too! Nik is no fool – he was paying attention during that Year of Jiz we had to suffer through. So while I gave Liz *much* credit for calling him out on his bad parenting skills, the fact that she would even PRETEND that she doesn’t believe a baby creates a permanent bond between the parents was laughable. Samrocks, it’s really funny u say that because that was the same thing my cousin said. I believe her exact words were ‘Was I on crack during the summer of sleaze, or did Jake not bring the hideousness that is Jiz together?’ …(her words, not mine, but I did agree with her though) Log in to Reply samrocks February 23, 2010 OT: Let’s think about how the "No Talking to the Cheatee" rule would work in practice… + Maxie wouldn’t be able to talk to Franco (no big deal) + Loo might not be able to talk to Johnny + Robin couldn’t talk to Brad (no big deal) + Liz couldn’t talk to Jason, Nik, or Zander’s ghost + Carly couldn’t talk to Sonny (AND Jax?) + Alexis couldn’t talk to Sonny (didn’t he cheat on Carly with her, or were they separated?) + Diane could talk to anyone she wanted + Sam couldn’t talk to Ric or Sonny (he cheated on Carly with her, too right?) + Olivia is safe since she has only been with two men in her ENTIRE life (as if!) + Kate couldn’t talk to Jax (or is it Sonny?) + Molly, Krissy, Piff, Alice, and Viola are safe Log in to Reply mayjadjor February 23, 2010 Liz did to Jason almost exactly what Nik is doing to her now. Liz used her pregnancy to manipulate Jason even though she knew it was tearing him up inside to give up his son and lie to Sam. Nik doesn’t care that Liz loves Lucky and wants to be with him, just like Liz didn’t care that Jason loved Sam and wanted to be with her. Nik is trying to use this baby as a way to hold onto Liz, like Liz used Jake as a way to hold onto Jason. Nik inserts himself into Liz’s life and chases her even if he knows she doesn’t want it, and guess what? Liz did the same thing with Jason. I really see this s/l as Liz getting what she deserves after the Liason stuff and a bunch of other selfish things that Liz has done at the expense of others. Log in to Reply samrocks February 23, 2010 Mayjadjor…ICAM! Of course, if Nik "accidentally" leaves his signature scarf in Liz’s room and Lucky happens to find it, then I will absolutely, without question ROTFLMAO! Log in to Reply Marezi February 23, 2010 I can see Jason’s point about Dante being a undercover "rat" definition is : criminal informants (often referred to as “rats” or “snitches”), or undercover police agents? The mob does not like them and will kill them, the drug dealers do not like them and will kill them etc. Dante was an undercover rat. BUT they are on the good side of the law and want to bring the bad guys down and to stop the illegal business. But again Dante was a rat and a damn good one. Jason and Sonny are just ticked that someone got that close to them and they did not find out until it was almost to late. BigDede wrote: Dante’s attack dog went into attack mode on Jason. I really am tired of Lulu and her "all knowing" attitude on everything. Hope Maxie changes her hair style tomorrow and I am not sure what I think about her talking nice about Liz. . I like Maxie when she tells the truth about Liz and now they have her spouting good shit about her. To hell with that. Someone explain to me why Liz is having a breakdown and why she doesn’t act that way with everyone. Why does she pick and choose her victims? She seemed pretty damn clear headed to me today. She did not do any crying and freaking out with Nik as she did with Lucky. She knows damn well what she is doing and she wants Lucky to be her anchor and to be there for her beck and call (even though Nik makes her feel things that no one has ever made her feel. LOL) She thinks she is fine and dandy and everything is back to normal and the way it should be "because Lucky forgave her" I can’t wait until she finds out Lucky just said that and does not mean it. Then and only then will Liz freak out and maybe have a slight breakdown. Happy Days are coming I can feel it. Granted I don’t like Liz and l really like Sam but I do scratch my head sometimes with both of these characters (plus others like Robin, Carly, Maxie & Alexis to name a few). yes I am not happy with some of the writers and when they take the poison pen to a character they use the worse poison possible. Liz and Sam are the best examples we have. And I just don’t understand why is it that some boards and people feel Liz is being written out of character and this isnt’ the real Liz but when Sam was written out of character (to some boards and people) then that of course was the real Sam. When we never saw Sam hurt any children and what we saw was how much she loved kids (her baby, baby Hope, Kristina, Michael) and then she helped save Kristina and Michael but all of a sudden that was the real kidnapper Sam and she needs to be burned at the stake. I think it is poor story telling and reasons behind their actions. It is like we are getting the outline of the story but not all of the sentences, paragraphs & chapters that are needed to make the novel into a best seller. Just irks me. Log in to Reply MandaPanda1331 February 23, 2010 In case you guys couldn’t wait like me here is a youtube link to the new opening credits. I assume it is legit, but never can be sure since i found it on the ABC boards. It looks like it is though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooDz08qQYFY type in "all new credits general hospital" in youtube.com if the link does not work. Log in to Reply RoMo4322 February 23, 2010 Ya know every once in a while I wonder why some say that the writers on GH suck. Today I totally agreed with them. Why in the world would they have Jason give a respect speech to Dante when as you say he never could give Alan the time of day. He treated Alan like garbage on most occasions and trust me, I’m a Jason fan. But I wasn’t today. What he said was totally ridiculous. And I am not a Liz fan, but someone finally told Nicholas that he had a son today. He seems to have forgotten. I’d say that I love Lucky and Maxie today, but I don’t think I’d love them together if they actually were together. They would change and Lucky wouldn’t have been as sweet to her as he was today. Thanks Perkie for your observations! Now can Sonny just STFU with Dante already. I swear I want to smack that man. Every time he says he wouldn’t have shot him if he knew he was his son, or any time he blames Olivia or tries to get her to talk to Dante, smack! lol Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin February 23, 2010 Marezi THANK you for saying this…I absolutely agree…. —————————— Someone explain to me why Liz is having a breakdown and why she doesn’t act that way with everyone. Why does she pick and choose her victims? She seemed pretty damn clear headed to me today. She did not do any crying and freaking out with Nik as she did with Lucky. She knows damn well what she is doing and she wants Lucky to be her anchor and to be there for her beck and call (even though Nik makes her feel things that no one has ever made her feel. LOL) She thinks she is fine and dandy and everything is back to normal and the way it should be "because Lucky forgave her" I can’t wait until she finds out Lucky just said that and does not mean it. Then and only then will Liz freak out and maybe have a slight breakdown. Happy Days are coming I can feel it. Log in to Reply Marezi February 23, 2010 [quote=mayjadjor]Liz did to Jason almost exactly what Nik is doing to her now. Liz used her pregnancy to manipulate Jason even though she knew it was tearing him up inside to give up his son and lie to Sam. Nik doesn’t care that Liz loves Lucky and wants to be with him, just like Liz didn’t care that Jason loved Sam and wanted to be with her. Nik is trying to use this baby as a way to hold onto Liz, like Liz used Jake as a way to hold onto Jason. Nik inserts himself into Liz’s life and chases her even if he knows she doesn’t want it, and guess what? Liz did the same thing with Jason. I really see this s/l as Liz getting what she deserves after the Liason stuff and a bunch of other selfish things that Liz has done at the expense of others.[/quote] Samrocks to Mayjadjor…ICAM! Of course, if Nik "accidentally" leaves his signature scarf in Liz’s room and Lucky happens to find it, then I will absolutely, without question ROTFLMAO! You two are on fire tonight. All of your posts are Great posts Log in to Reply samrocks February 23, 2010 MandaPanda…Thanks so much! Assuming they’re the real thing, the new format will make it easier to add (or REMOVE, if we’re being honest) characters. Of course, seeing MB’s face first made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. (Sorry Maurice, I’m sure you’re a great person, and I appreciate what you’ve done for the bipolar community, but COME ON!!) Log in to Reply Marezi February 23, 2010 [quote=MandaPanda1331]In case you guys couldn’t wait like me here is a youtube link to the new opening credits. I assume it is legit, but never can be sure since i found it on the ABC boards. It looks like it is though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooDz08qQYFY type in "all new credits general hospital" in youtube.com if the link does not work.[/quote] THANK YOU I hope this is the new opening. I love it. Log in to Reply sb_fan February 23, 2010 New opening looks good. Thanks Manda, for the link. I hate waiting for stuff like this. (Sam’s 4th..yay!!!..lol, I just had to say that). Log in to Reply Marezi February 23, 2010 I really like the actors name and the characters name also. Sometimes when I flip to other soaps I think who is that actor and who does he play. It helps to be able to identify them if you are a new viewer. Log in to Reply sassysdreams February 23, 2010 [quote=mayjadjor]Liz did to Jason almost exactly what Nik is doing to her now. Liz used her pregnancy to manipulate Jason even though she knew it was tearing him up inside to give up his son and lie to Sam. Nik doesn’t care that Liz loves Lucky and wants to be with him, just like Liz didn’t care that Jason loved Sam and wanted to be with her. Nik is trying to use this baby as a way to hold onto Liz, like Liz used Jake as a way to hold onto Jason. Nik inserts himself into Liz’s life and chases her even if he knows she doesn’t want it, and guess what? Liz did the same thing with Jason. I really see this s/l as Liz getting what she deserves after the Liason stuff and a bunch of other selfish things that Liz has done at the expense of others.[/quote] Karma’s a bitch! Log in to Reply sassysdreams February 23, 2010 MandaPanda – Thanks for the link. I really like them except I would have liked to see Morgan and Molly as well. Log in to Reply Victoria February 23, 2010 Jason’s attitude about Dante respecting his father will come back to bite him in a few years when Jake is SORAS’d and this whole "he’s my dad???" storyline comes up again. Log in to Reply GH LOVER February 23, 2010 I love the new opening , I love JaSam in the beginning They are so Hottttttttt the best part LOL I loved Jason scenes , I don’t think he was hypocrite He was truthful with Dante , And maybe he said what he said because of his history with his own father????? i think Jason really like Dante he believed him when Dante Said he didn’t care about his cover when he worked with him on Franco case… AN Jason felt that Dante and Sonny had a bond before the truth came out … That scenes was well played by both Steve and Dom I just hate that Lulu was there…. I am spixie fan But I have to admit that I liked the Maxi Lucky scenes.. Liz /Nick Boring I don’t even care.. Nick doesn’t really care about SPencer she is right but does she care about her own kids?? Sonny I have to say that he was brave he knows Dante hate him but he is not giving up he faces Dante again and again knowing Dante don’t want to see him. Now I am Sonny fan But part of me wants him to reflect on the past , him and mike and Jason and Alan.. maybe that will help him Johnny and Ethan I know they are going to work together But that will be Stupid… Jucky – I like Jason and Lucky scenes But there were parts that were annoying: 1) Jason was so cool about Liz , He could have a different reaction, maybe he is not so surprised ?? 2) he was so calm about Nick and Lucky , and lucky still raising the boys and his so. maybe now it is time for him to say that he should have part in Jake’s life?? Because the promise both Liz and lucky gave him is in flames, Jake is not having happy stable life he wanted, Maybe now it is Time to have Jason spending with his son… Jake will see the good and the bad in Jason and no I don’t think he will be a mobster.. But I liked that Jason agreed to work with Lucky I like Jucky working together.. Jolivia I liked them before but now NOOOOOOOO Log in to Reply pxlbarrel February 23, 2010 I suspect the revisionist historians of GH believe that Jason’s "heartfelt" expression of regret and remorse to Alan’s dead body made it all better between them. And whoever suggested that it should be Jason telling him that his own stubborness at keeping his father at a distance until it was too late would have been an interesting conversation … you’re spot on. How much better that would be to have Jason a bit introspective about his own actions. However, that would bring up the fact that Jason is really a Quartermaine and we know how the writers just love the Quartermaines – NOT. <sigh> Saw the new opening. I actually like it … not the music but at least the visuals are much better. But Alan/Stuart is finally off the opening and although he’s been gone a long time, it’s still one of those <sigh> moments. Log in to Reply TC irene February 23, 2010 Note to Lulu the real difference between Sonny the evil mobster and Jason the white knight of mobsters is if Jason was the one that Dante came upon that fateful day in the Corinthos living room he would be dead and no body would ever be found….ask Lorenzo Alcazar !!! While it was a bit hypocritical it was no less funny or true for Liz to bust on Nik for the way he totally ignored Spencer all these years. I swear that one day he came out and they talked I was like "OMG why is there a child in Wyndemere ?" I thought he was in boarding school in Greece or something. Log in to Reply rebecca February 23, 2010 I Loved the new opening. I REALLY HATE JASON and think he is the biggest A$$HOLE of the show. S.B did ok in his scenes but ,like always D.Z was 1000 times BETTER! Log in to Reply snarkgirl85 February 23, 2010 People seem to really be rewriting history, in terms of the breakdown of Sam and Jason’s relationship. Sam broke up with Jason because he didn’t tell her about Jake, and Jason was done with Sam because she hired men to threaten Elizabeth and her kids. Neither one of them trusted each other anymore and, frankly, neither one of them seemed to like one another either. Elizabeth didn’t have much to do with any of that. Log in to Reply mayjadjor February 23, 2010 [quote=snarkgirl85]People seem to really be rewriting history, in terms of the breakdown of Sam and Jason’s relationship. Sam broke up with Jason because he didn’t tell her about Jake, and Jason was done with Sam because she hired men to threaten Elizabeth and her kids. Neither one of them trusted each other anymore and, frankly, neither one of them seemed to like one another either. Elizabeth didn’t have much to do with any of that. [/quote] Elizabeth had everything to do with it, and you even said it in your second sentence when you said Sam broke up with Jason because he didn’t tell her about Jake. He didn’t tell her about Jake because of Liz’s manipulations. He needs to take responsibility for why he listened to a tramp like Liz in the first place, but he wanted to tell Sam from the beginning. It was Liz who manipulated him into not doing it. Even after Jake was born, Jason tried to reason with Liz so she would understand that he had to tell Sam, but she fought him the whole way. Sam didn’t hire men to threaten Liz until she was already broken up with Jason. But, the kidnapping did factor into it, and the reason that even happened was because Sam had a mental and emotional breakdown because of the fact that she had been so horribly betrayed. Elizabeth was to Jason and Sam’s relationship what Lisa is starting to be to Patrick and Robin’s. Liz wanted Jason and instead of admitting it like a grown woman, she used her pregnancy to manipulate him, make him feel guilty, and get close to him. Jason offered Liz a marriage of convenience from the moment he found out she was pregnant, because that’s what he always does and always said he would do. But she knew it would be an MOC and that he still loved Sam, and that wasn’t good enough for her. Liz was planning and plotting to get between Jason and Sam ever since Sam got shot. She saw an opening with her pregnancy and played it for all it was worth. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 February 23, 2010 I was about to get into it but its all subjective. One person sees it one way and another sees it differently. Besides I like May & Sam so I already know where they stand on the subject so instead of a Liz v. Sam debate I will just go Log in to Reply mayjadjor February 23, 2010 You know what’s funny??? Whenever I decide to post about something, I never intend to start a Liz vs Sam debate, but after a few posts, it just happens!! I don’t know what it is, and I know it’s the same with others too, and not just on this board. I try to focus on my Liz hate, or LL2 love, or Sam/JaSam love and not bring up the past, but sooner or later… Log in to Reply Jenny February 23, 2010 Line of the day: Liz to Nik: “You already have one kid you pretty much ignore.” Perkie: "BURN!" Haha! Love it!! Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin February 23, 2010 I’m gonna touch on this again, because no one responded to it… For years we got treated to the long love sonnets to all that was the bond between the scooby doo gang. Up until Niz hit the turret floor, we were told over and over that Nik/Em/Liz/Lucky were as close as any 4 people could be, so while the kid you pretty much ignore line is a burn, and an accurate burn at that, am I the only one that thinks its hypocritical for Lizard of all people to be calling him out on that when she had the last 6 years to voice her concerns about Spencer and never said boo. If that was my friend I would have said – hey I know you just lost Emily and she was helping you with Spencer but I am here if you need advice or techniques. I know its hard but the important thing is spending quality time with Spencer. I am still irritated with the whole anger towards nik thing too. No, I am not a Nik fan, and no I dont hold him any less responsible for the affair than Lizard, but why is SHE angry with him like HE did something to her. Time and again he said its all on me and when they were canoodling she always said no, we are BOTH wrong, so whats with all the anger. And what was up with the whole snarky, Lucky forgave ME…like she just won the golden ticket to the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory. Pxlbarrel, my heart feels for you. I know that must have been hard for you to not see Alan in the opening credits. Log in to Reply jmoney February 23, 2010 I got to say, I don’t have any issue with what Jason said to Alan. Respecting family is the name of the game in the mob people, like it or not. As far as his relationship with Alan. Anyone can see Jason has changed immensely over the past few years from an emotional standpoint in relation to his family. There is not a single doubt in my mind that he regrets shutting his parents out for all those years, and it is entirely possible he could be trying to advise Sonny’s son the way that he is, so that both Sonny and Dante don’t go down the same road that he and Alan. He’s not gonna tell Dante exactly what happened because, A: It makes him vulnerable, and B: Why in God’s name would Dante believe him. The nuance in this scene was quite good, very understated… Log in to Reply jlj0117 February 23, 2010 am I the only one that thinks its hypocritical for Lizard of all people to be calling him out on that when she had the last 6 years to voice her concerns about Spencer and never said boo. actually, Both Lucky and Liz have said something to Nik about Spencer a few times since Em died. But this is GH, and children are rarely mentioned unless they factor directly in to the story. as far as the break down goes, i don’t think she is faking, simply because they have shown her very life like hallucinations.9as i mentioned in the other thread. But I do think it’s stupid. I don’t think the writers are being consistent with her behavior, and I would love to know what the hell triggered it. I just can’t believe, that with all the hell this girl has gone through, that getting busted in a sweaty fling is what made her snap. It’s crap. Log in to Reply GHvetfan February 23, 2010 If we are going to hold Liz responsible or accountable for not saying anything about Nik and is really bad parenting skills, shouldn’t we first hold his family to the same standards? Alexis and Nik are so close. Lucky is his brother and had the same six years. Is Spencer six years old? What about Mike and Sonny? Jax and Carly were so very attached to the kid. Have they not given him a single thought since Nikolas took custody? What about poor dead Emily? She hasn’t been dead for six years. I think Liz and Lucky have mentioned Spencer over the few years but these writers are not consistent and like to shove children aside until they need a convenient illness or they want to age them. Lulu is a prime example. She was only on once or twice a year. Luke would never get the best parent award. He didn’t take an interest in her until she started dating. I don’t think we can hold Liz accountable for something most soaps do. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin February 23, 2010 I am not holding her accountable per se, but none of the other people you mentioned are throwing it in his face. The only time I remember her kind of sort of addressing the issue was when they had the post boinking picnic and she said spencer should get to do more boy kind of things, but maybe I am forgetting the other times. I seem to remember Lucky mentioning it once semi-recently??? My point was we are applauding a bit as viewers because many of us have been saying for years that he is one of, if not THE worst parent in PC, I just find it hypocritical that SHE is busting him when she had a ringside seat and a unique position from which to do something about it. Personally, I do think Alexis, Lucky, Lulu and Lizard all should have been on his case for years – he is a piss poor example of fatherhood and its one of the biggest reasons I cant stand the character. I dont think CarJax, Mike or Sonny could have had any impact on the situation – you know he would have dismissed it as crap from baby stealers, gamblers and mob kingpins. I could just see the convo between Sonny and nik now…Nik, why are you ignoring Courtney’s child….well at least he doesnt have a bullet in the brain, now does he, Sonny. I dont think Lizard is faking the hallucinations. I think she is distressed about not being the Saint of Port Charles anymore. Log in to Reply GH LOVER February 23, 2010 jmony I agree with you on this .. Shocker I know LOL But that scenes was done well , Jason and Dante had a real honest talk… Maybe Jason did came form a place he knew maybe his advice was because of his personal history with his dad, we can’t know it … Because Jason will not say to Dante, I know were you are I have been there, Dante betrayed his trust , So now he will confide with him??? Not a chance … And I think bot Actors Steve and Dom were fantastic ,and no one was better than the other…. Yes it is me …. About Alan and Jason , Jason was sorry about what went wrong between them he said it more than one time , he said that after Alan died to Carly and Sonny , he said that to Liz the night They sent Michael to the facility.. And when Michael woke and Carly wanted to send him to live with the Q’s Jason came to talk with Edward and Monica and asked sorry for what he did, I think that Scenes got lost and people didn’t see the big step Jason and the Q;s did …. I wish the writers would remember Jason is a Q and have A S/L with him and the Q’s .. And part of me wished that they would have let Jason have the final talk with Alan, or they would let ghost Alan talk with Jason , that would have been amazing scenes … Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 23, 2010 EET, I think the reason Liz finally spoke up about Nik being a bad father when no one else has is because he is already trying to stake claim to her unborn child. This affects her directly. Liz and Nik’s other friends or relatives have mentioned how Nik should spend more time with Spencer, but they never called him out like Liz just did b/c he wasn’t trying to stake claim to any of their children. With Liz, it was like enough is enough, you want this child but you don’t even spend time with the one you already have. How bout you worry about your current child instead of trying to take this one when you don’t even know it’s yours… Log in to Reply Sane85 February 23, 2010 EET – I’m with you on the line about Spencer. While I 100% agree with the sentiment behind it. I think that Liz all of a sudden convenience of bringing it up because it suits her in this conversation is suspect. I also agree about the anger towards Nik. Where was this anger before everything came out? Why is Nik deserving of any anger (from Liz) considering it takes two to tango. If I was Nik, I’d be pissed about her sudden righteous indignation towards him. On that same topic, I am absolutely no fan of Nik and could take him or leave him since he came on the canvas. However, I really don’t get the big deal about him going to Shadybrook today. It seems that his intention was to point out Liz’s options, and give his opinion that knowing the father of her child earlier would help ease some of her anxiety (or out-of-the-blue crazy, which I’m not buying). In essence, it seemed like his intention was to help her get better faster. Since those are the words that he said, and then told her to do what she wanted, I don’t get why fans are reading it to be him controlling her through the baby. That’s just my opinion. Plus, even if his primary concern was to find out the paternity, it’s not like Liz’s history hasn’t given any man involved in a WTD with her cause to want to take control of the paternity testing. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin February 24, 2010 Amen Sane85. I thought he pushed a little to far at the end, esp about the early amnio (sp??) but this whole "staking claim" thing makes no sense. He seemed to want to let Lizard know that if she needed anything it would be provided and he would try to support her and the baby….would that all potential baby daddys "stake claim" like that. I just dont see that as any different than Lucky offering his support. Like you, I am no fan of Nik’s and I hate what he did to Lucky, but I just dont see the cause for Lizard hating him. Log in to Reply samrocks February 24, 2010 I don’t get why fans are reading it to be him controlling her through the baby. Sane85…I view Nik’s actions (today, yesterday, whenever!) as controlling only because I see nothing about his body language, voice inflection, etc. that screams "I love this woman and I want to be with her and build a family!" Yes, he may *say* those things, but like I said before, if I watched the Niz scenes with the sound off, I would swear that he was reciting his grocery list – not professing his love. So, if he’s not really in love with her, then the only logical reason for him to be following her around like a puppy dog is because he sees her as the shiny new toy that he wants to keep away from his brother. Gawd…I KNOW I’m going to regret saying this, but Jax seems to be emerging as the clear winner in the "Least Crappy Father" department. (My Patty-Poo and Mac are *clearly* awesome, so they wouldn’t ever be nominated for this.) Jax not only *says* that he wants to keep Jocelyn safe, but he is apparently willing to make that happen BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Nik and Sonny, on the other hand, seem like they just want to collect them and trot them out when it suits them…and it usually doesn’t. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin February 24, 2010 Oh Samrocks the love fest is over…your pro Jax??? UGGH Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 24, 2010 Sane85, How is it suspect? He’s acting like he wants another baby and is pressuring Liz for an early paternity when he can’t even handle the one he has. That would cause anyone, not just Liz, to bring up the fact that he should focus on the kid he has and not the one that MIGHT be his. Plus, if he really cared for Liz or the baby, he wouldn’t risk a 1 in 100 vs 1 in 300 chance of a miscarriage and would just wait until it’s safest. Why does he need to know so soon? So he can rub it in Lucky’s face and convince Liz that they should be a family? Does he consider what that might do to Cam and Jake and the position that would put his brother in? I think Liz is delusional and thinks that Lucky forgave her (when he really shouldn’t have said that to make her believe that) and wants Nik to back off so she can have the happy little family she wants. I think she should be focusing on her recovery instead of Lucky’s "forgiveness". But she’s all kinds of messed up. This could have been done so much better if the writing was thought out and not senseless as it is. Anyways, that’s why she was pissed that Nik is trying to be with her. Cuz she knows that her affair with Nik messed things up in the first place, when they were both to blame, and now she’s trying to stay away from Nik so it doesn’t happen again, and here he is claiming to love her and wants to mess it up again. She doesn’t realize it’s still messed up. So it’s like "Look what happened last time, we messed up our lives, now please leave me alone so it doesn’t happen again". I don’t see why she shouldn’t be angry. If I screwed up my life b/c of an affair, I’d want nothing to do with that man anymore, especially if I didn’t want a family with him and wanted to go back to the man I betrayed. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 February 24, 2010 Why is it so hard to believe that the reason Liz is acting this way towards Nik is because he reminds her of all the stuff she did. I also find it amazing is that everyone else got to say their peace about Liz and it was ok, but Liz says what we all think and suddenly she should have a motive for saying it. Not for me, it was never Liz place to mention his kid before because Spencer is Nik’s kid but with the chance that this one is his I can see why she wants to bring it up. Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 24, 2010 samrocks, as much as I hated Jax trying to steal Nik and Courtney’s baby, I guess Nik’s behavior and treatment of Spencer makes me wonder if Jax would have been a better father to him even though he knew it was Nik’s. Look how sweet and involved he is with Morgan even though he’s not his biological son. I wonder if Spencer would have had a better life as Jax as a dad. And I love Jax trying to protect Jocelyn from Sonny’s world even if he’s being manipulative about it. At least he’ll be a good father to Jocelyn and won’t get her shot… Log in to Reply samrocks February 24, 2010 EET…Are you *seriously* telling me that you believe Sonny and Nik are better fathers than JAX?!?! Yeah, I could TOTALLY see Jax becoming my favorite character…after Sam, Robin, Patrick, Dante, Maxie, Carly, Krissy, Morgan, Johnny, Lucky, Jason, Diane, Piff, Coleman, Loo, Mike, Matt, Mac, Alice, Ethan, Tracy, Kate, Viola, Max, Milo, Cameron, Jake, the PCPD lab tech, and Sonny’s housekeeper are all KILLED OFF THE SHOW FIRST. (I’m sure I missed some people, but you get my point.) Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 24, 2010 Yeah, seriously, it was ok for Lulu to go off on Liz in public b/c apparently it was her business b/c it involved her brothers and she couldn’t let Lucky fight for himself and handle is own business. But it’s not OK for Liz to speak the truth to Nik when it concerns her unborn baby? Log in to Reply PurpleRocks February 24, 2010 But samrocks, u missed your most favorite of all favorites, LIZ!!! Log in to Reply FaisonFanInTexas February 24, 2010 EET It annoys the crap out of me that Liz acts the way she does with Nik (very little about Liz doesn’t annoy me!). I think it’s for 2 reasons: 1)he reminds her with his very presence that she screwed up royally and, 2)NOBODY seems to be mad at HIM for what happened. SHE seems to be taking all the abuse! It’s not news to y’all that I am NOT a Liz fan and I think she’s deserved every beat down she’s received, but I for one would LOVE to see Lulu go off on Nik JUST AS HARD as she hit Liz! It seems like he is just getting off easy… And he needs to back the hell off for a minute about the baby! IT’S LUCKY’S!!!!! Just sayin’….. See, Raven, I’m agreein’…mostly! LOL Log in to Reply samrocks February 24, 2010 I called Liz a hypocrite for accusing Nik of using the baby as a way to get to her. Her statement about Spencer was dead on, but I think the TIIC screwed up by having her say what has been on the fans’ minds for ages in that same conversation because it cheapened it for me. But since it was a true statement, then I wouldn’t have cared if they had the PCPD lab tech randomly say it to him, LOL. Just like I didn’t care WHO called Liz out…as long as it got done. Log in to Reply jlj0117 February 24, 2010 Why is it so hard to believe that the reason Liz is acting this way towards Nik is because he reminds her of all the stuff she did. ITA. That is one of her really BAD habits. She gets angry at herself and lashes out at others.(n this case i think she is justified a little bit. atleast one of them feels guilty.) And I’m sorry, but if her break down is really centered around the affair, she really doesn’t need her accomplice there, putting more pressure on her. he doesn’t care what he has done to his brother. And he doesn’t care about this kid, any more than he cares about Spencer. it’s just another possesion to him. Something else to be shuffled off to the nanny. Log in to Reply Marezi February 24, 2010 One thing we need to remember about Nik and raising kids is this is how Nik was raised. He was shipped off to boarding schools and when he was home he had Helena, Stefan and his father Stavros. Does anyone really think these people "played with Nik". But if I remember some scenes from when Stefan was on Stefan said he protected Nik and pretty much raised Nik himself. (Wikipedia says Laura left Nik to be raised by Stefan) Now where was Nik to learn how to be a good father. Courtney wasn’t around to help him, Helena is not a grandmotherly type person to guide him, Alexis hasn’t time for her own daughers so she isn’t helping him nor can pass judgement onto Nik for the way he is raising his son. So he is doing everything the way he learned and that is by hiring competent help which is "Nannies". I think this is how it is done in these kind of homes (example Prince Charles and all the other royal families. Can you see Queen Elizabeth (of England not Liz on GH) getting down and playing with her kids) When Emily was there the kid was smaller and younger. Rebecca seemed to spend time with Spencer when she was on before the carnival (as she suggested they take Spencer) and I remember Liz did make sure to tell Nik to bring Spencer over that one time Lucky and her had a cook out. If she or Lucky thought Nik should be doing more or something different that would have been a good time to go tell him that normal people get down and dirty with the kids, play roughhouse, run around, go to parks and fall on the ground and just let loose. now IMO, Liz is just attacking Nik because he is remindering her that he could be the father and her little day dream of life with Lucky and Lucky’s forgiveness might not come true and she doesn’t want to face that as she " Just Knows" Lucky forgave her, "he said so" which she so proudly threw in Niks face. As far as her "hallucinations" to me they are her dreams, her thoughts, her daydreams. She had them when she was wondering about Jason and Jake and Lucky also. Remember her "hallucinations" how it would play out if Jason was the father and then she "hallucinated" how it would play out if Lucky was the father. She went thru the whole thing. These are not the kind, as a nightmare or she is petrified and they are driving her screaming thru the rooms and hallways because she believes the people are there and going to do soemthing awful. She is just thinking /dreamscenes as she did a couple years agos. Log in to Reply GHvetfan February 24, 2010 I agree Nik was raised by nannies but it isn’t as if he hasn’t watched Liz and Lucky taking the kids to the park, the pier, the carnival, and out to Kelly’s. He also spent a good deal of time with Lulu who he wanted to have a relationship with after he became her doner and Luke didn’t want that. He is an adult. The same way that Sonny shouldn’t get to pull the "I was abused card" every time he breaks a law Nikolas needs to wake up and grow up. He manages an international business but cannot recognize that spending time with your kid is a good thing. Liz had every right to get snarky with him. It is her body and her child. She gets to decide if a paternity test should be taken at this time and when. THe other thing is that Nikolas was right there deciding that she should commit herself, Does he not understand that the reason for her being there is to get her head on straight? It is in his best interests to allow her to do the work. It is not a good idea to keep upsetting her. How is that helpful? He needs to back off. If he turns out to be the daddy, is she in the mental position to handle that? Log in to Reply CarlyCfan February 24, 2010 My problem with Jax is that he’s not going after Jason. If his problem was really the violence he would go after Jason too, particulary after the Franco mess. Until he decides that Jason needs to go jail too i refuse to believe that his actions aren’t about his fear that my Carlybabes will sleep with Sonny again someday. Log in to Reply mayjadjor February 24, 2010 I know that Liz has taken pretty much all the abuse since the affair came out and that Nik has walked away clean, but I’m sorry… I expect more from women. I hold them to higher standards sometimes. Not that I’d ever forgive a cheater, but she should know better by now. She should be grateful that Lucky took her ass back after she lied about Jake and pretty much made it clear that she wanted to run away with Jason and take Lucky’s sons away from him, even though he was raising them for her at the time. She pretty much acted like Lucky was good enough until Jason saw the light and finally agreed to take Jake and her together as a package deal. Now, after she’s boinked his brother for months, she’s acting like Lucky was always her first choice as father of her sons. The chick is a demon, and she’s a user, and she doesn’t even deserve Lucky, which is why I fight myself every time I feel my LL2 loving heart pound during the beautiful flashbacks. Ugh!! Log in to Reply sassysdreams February 24, 2010 [quote=CarlyCfan]My problem with Jax is that he’s not going after Jason. If his problem was really the violence he would go after Jason too, particulary after the Franco mess. Until he decides that Jason needs to go jail too i refuse to believe that his actions aren’t about his fear that my Carlybabes will sleep with Sonny again someday. [/quote] I agree. If Jax was really concerned with the violence he would turn in his brother Jerry and do everything in his power to keep Jerry away from Josslynn, Morgan, Michael and Carly! Clearly it’s jealousy of Sonny that is driving him. Jax is a jackass!!! Log in to Reply Teach19 February 24, 2010 Mayjadjor are you kidding me!!! Liz did not hold Jake over Jason’s head—She didn’t want Jake in Jason’s life –How is that the same as Nik wanting this baby in his life??? The writers wrote Jason as a man who loved Liz and who feel out of love with Sam b/c of circumstances that was also written by the same writers!!! I think the writers need to write consistantly not make their characters unrecognizable!!! Log in to Reply GHvetfan February 24, 2010 Lucky wasn’t raising the kids FOR Liz. He was raising them WITH Liz. He wanted to raise Cam. Cam was part of the deal when Lucky married Liz. He wasn’t a surprise that she sprung on him. She asked Jason to not claim Jake so Lucky would be the boys father. How is that taking them away from Lucky? Even when Liz and Jason were seeing one another in secret, Lucky knew about it. He was seeing Sam. Liz was not cheating and she wasn’t threatening to take the boys away from him. The only time custody came up was when Alexis and Diane got involved and that was for about 2 seconds. They decided pretty quickly to share custody. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin February 24, 2010 Wow some really great posts…not even sure where to start… Samrocks, you know your my girl!! I was just teasin, yeah Jax is one of the better of the bad LOL. JUax – I agree with CarlyC fan and with Sassy – if this was just about violence he would also seem concerned about Joss’s godfather Jason and uncle Jerry too. He would be trying to clean house and not just frame Sonny for the one damn thing he knows he didnt do. UGGH. But aside from his sonnyphobia, I think Jax is a pretty good dad to Morgan and Joss. Michael so-so. Nik – yeah he doesnt have a good example of parenting and the people that could help him like Laura and Emily arent around, I grant him that, but he also is smart enough and has had hints enough to know that he has these short comings and there is NO excuse not to try and learn. He could hire anyone in the world to teach him these things if he doesnt have someone to pattern after. This is an excuse I might accept from someone without resources or education, but he has the tools to do better. Mayjador – I totally disagree with the idea that women should be held to a higher standard. No way no how. I truly do hold Nik and Lizard to the same standard. I guess the thing is I dont by into the idea that she got the worst of it or that she is the only one that feels guilt. I totally agree with you that she is a demon. Yes, she got slammed by Lulu and she got it worse from Lucky than Lizard did, but Luke trashed Nik, Lulu let him know he was disgusting even if she went further with Lizard, and he got dumped on by Steve. And why did she get it a bit worse – not because she should be better than nik, but for exactly the reason Lulu and Lucky gave BECAUSE SHE DID IT BEFORE. Its like a first time offender before a judge getting a lesser sentence than a career criminal. As for the snarkiness with Nik….she got snarky with him the second he walked through the door, not just because of the paternity test issue, and its not like he said I DEMAND YOU TAKE IT he simply said would you be willing to do this, this might be the better thing. He didnt chain her down and steal her placenta for gosh sakes. She was snarky from jump both times she saw him. And if it was about being committed in the first place, then she would be snarky with everyone. Nik didnt lead that charge, he was told that Steven and Lainey thought it was necessary. I dont know how you can say, hey she is having a breakdown and he is an asshat because he isnt giving her enough space and in the next say he is an asshat for sending her to shadybrooke – if she is having a breakdown then YES she belongs at Shadybrooke and its up to the people around her to make that call just like say Sonny did with JBs Carly. Darn you folks for making me defend nik LOL. Log in to Reply samrocks February 24, 2010 Liz never really thought Jason was unsafe, but she was willing to play along because it meant their "secret pain" could live on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JicOG9g5T68&feature=related It’s ridiculous to claim, "It’s not safe for my children, I am an adult who can handle it," since anything dangerous that happens TO YOU while you’re WITH HIM would also leave your children without a mother and a father. But who am I kidding, Liz would NEVER let a little thing like safety/danger get in the way of her rowing over to Wyndemere or checking herself out of the hospital so she can GET SOME. This clip includes Sam’s reveal to Carly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBBtFDY7Iis&feature=related Log in to Reply samrocks February 24, 2010 I totally disagree with the idea that women should be held to a higher standard. No way no how. I hold my faves to different standards – from each other AND from other characters. Perfect example for me is Robin v. Sam. I will fight to the death to defend both of my girls, but while I was cheering Sam on as she willfully seduced Lucky during the horrific Quad from Hell, I damn near flew through the t.v. to slap some sense into Mrs. Scorpio Drake for even *kissing* Brad. And while I *hate* that Sam stole evidence for stupidSonny, if she stole evidence that directly implicated JASON or Krissy then I probably wouldn’t bat an eyelash. Robin, on the other hand, would get a punch in the face from me if she even thought about changing the DATE on a police form that had already been submitted. Now, when Robin gets all hypocritical, self-righteous, and snarky, it doesn’t bother me because Robin *honestly* believes most of the nonsense that comes out of her mouth – and I love her. When Sam got all up in someone’s face a few weeks back (Johnny, I think), I was pissed at her because it was so unnecessary. Sam can certainly hold her own in an argument, and since Johnny was already worried sick about his crazy sister, I was really disappointed in her because she didn’t NEED to go on the offensive in those scenes. She KNOWS what it’s like to be the town pariah – whether it’s deserved or not, so I felt like she (of all people) should have been the first to cut him some slack. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin February 24, 2010 Samrocks thats more situational ethics and I dont necessarily have a problem with that…I just disagree with having a blanket policy of holding women to a different standard than the men – unless I suppose if all your favorites were men. LOL. Log in to Reply mayjadjor February 24, 2010 Teach… after Michael got shot and Jason went to break up with Liz, she asked that he quit the business and run away with her and the boys. In my opinion, that’s trying to take them away from Lucky, being that they’d be in hiding. In addition, after Jason rescued Sam from Jerry, Liz got so jealous that she again started talking about her and her boys moving in with him so they could be a family together. Again, replacing Lucky with Jason. In her fantasies and daydreams, it was Jason reading stories to Cam, not Lucky. Plus, Jason gave her a sweet trust fund for BOTH her boys, which was just fine with her. So, yes… she would have jumped at the chance to run away with the boys and Jason and leave Lucky with nothing. I’m not saying women SHOULD be held to higher standards, I’m just saying that sometimes I do that, if that makes any sense. Log in to Reply sassysdreams February 24, 2010 mayjadjor – "after Michael got shot and Jason went to break up with Liz, she asked that he quit the business and run away with her and the boys. In my opinion, that’s trying to take them away from Lucky, being that they’d be in hiding. In addition, after Jason rescued Sam from Jerry, Liz got so jealous that she again started talking about her and her boys moving in with him so they could be a family together. Again, replacing Lucky with Jason. In her fantasies and daydreams, it was Jason reading stories to Cam, not Lucky. Plus, Jason gave her a sweet trust fund for BOTH her boys, which was just fine with her. So, yes… she would have jumped at the chance to run away with the boys and Jason and leave Lucky with nothing." Log in to Reply snarkgirl85 February 24, 2010 [quote=mayjadjor] Elizabeth had everything to do with it, and you even said it in your second sentence when you said Sam broke up with Jason because he didn’t tell her about Jake. He didn’t tell her about Jake because of Liz’s manipulations. He needs to take responsibility for why he listened to a tramp like Liz in the first place, but he wanted to tell Sam from the beginning.[/quote] Jason is a grown ass man who makes grown ass decisions every day. Giving up Jake was one of those decisions, and so was keeping the pregnancy secret. The guy isn’t some poor little person who was tricked by mean, "trampy" Elizabeth (who certainly isn’t any more or less trampy than any of the other characters on the show). He is an adult who made a choice, knowing what the costs of it would likely be. That isn’t on Elizabeth. [quote=mayjadjor]Elizabeth was to Jason and Sam’s relationship what Lisa is starting to be to Patrick and Robin’s. [/quote] Lisa is nothing to Patrick and Robin’s relationship, because they’re two adults that trust each other, respect each other, and talk relatively openly about the issues facing their relationship. Jason and Sam used to be like that, but they stopped being like that around the time that Sam was shot and Jason started making fundamental decisions about their relationship without her consent. Jake was just one decision in a long line of them. I put the blame for the breakup of their relationship more on Jason that I do on Sam (most people can agree that the park thing was incredibly OOC — Sam has risked her life for kids she barely even knows time and time again. She’d never willingly put a kid in a situation where they could be hurt). When their relationship started out, he made business decisions all the time and Sam was clear that she’d never ask him about any of that, which worked for them. But eventually, he started making personal decisions without her input too, and expecting the same sort of discretion from her. She tried to put up with it, but eventually got the hell out of dodge. Who could blame her? [quote=Ravennite613]Why is it so hard to believe that the reason Liz is acting this way towards Nik is because he reminds her of all the stuff she did. I also find it amazing is that everyone else got to say their peace about Liz and it was ok, but Liz says what we all think and suddenly she should have a motive for saying it. [/quote] Amen. People get to call Liz out in public repeatedly, but the second she stands up for herself in her own hospital room, with an audience of one, she’s a manipulative hypocrite? Log in to Reply taa2 February 25, 2010 Lord, please save me from naïve people who color rainbows using only black and white! Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.