ABC Daytime Issues Lengthier Statement on OLTL's Kish-tastrophe





ABC Daytime has provided Daytime Confidential with a longer statement about One Life to Live executive producer Frank Valentini's head-scratching decision to stop advancing story for one of the soap's most popular couples, Kyle (Brett Claywell) and Fish (Scott Evans).

"The groundbreaking Kyle/Fish relationship on One Life to Live was embraced by fans both as a great story and a fair and honest reflection of the LGBT community. We’re glad their story resonated with the audience, and understand the fans’ disappointment now that it has concluded. The show has a history of bringing LGBT stories to the screen— earning two GLAAD awards in the process— as well as returning popular characters when they serve the ongoing story. These great characters remain in Llanview, and while there are no immediate plans to advance their story, the door is always open for their return."

I am really trying to remember all of the other reasons I love this show and not be too reactionary, but it's hard. REALLY hard!


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Layla...Tika!

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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I think, on the heels of GL's Natalia and Olivia, the horrendous debacle that was Philip's coming out on Y&R, and the Rafe/Adam hookup, Daytime's recent track record of positive gay images is lacking. I think we can all agree that getting rid of Kish is a terrible idea. It just goes to show that Daytime is unwilling to show a fair and realistic portrayal of a gay relationship. However, I don't think this is new and the blame shouldn't  be laid at OLTL's feet.

For all of DC's lauding of OLTL in 2009, it's funny that this one couple is going to cause so much consternation. A true fan's interest in the show should not be based solely on one couple; if so, soaps wouldn't have lasted since the 1930's. Let's be clear: soaps are on their last legs, OLTL is more than likely the next soap on the chopping block, and the negative press that the show is getting now in the gay media is better than no press at all. As cynical as that is, I believe it's true.  

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Frons don't promote OLTL like he promotes Gh and AMC.  so how are they going to know about OLTL if they don't get the same promos as GH and aMC does?

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I'm not tuning out of OLTL because of this.  I've watched since 1973 and been through a lot of my favorites being written out.  I don't want to see KISH go, but it's the nature of the business. I say if you want KISH stay sign a petition and write ABC and see what happens, but the show will go on (unless cancelled, of course.)

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 OK, get ready to bash away but this is just my personal opinion Smile
I'm getting kinda sick of GLAAD for more reasons than one.  It's turning into a cult, expecting all who may be gay/lesbian to "protect" their own.  I understand the concept of having an organization in place to make sure the rights of a minority segment are protected, I get that (hint: see my pic).  But I personally believe that we are beyond the point where we have to start a campaign against a show because a story involving a gay couple is dropped.  Many of my favorite shows, Modern Family, Glee, Desperate Housewives, Gossip Girl, etc. feature gay characters and are watched by millions and millions of people.  There are so many shows that feature revolutionary and entertaining gay characters and that makes me proud.  I can't say the same thing for Asians, African Americans, etc.  Where was the NAACP when Daphnee (Rachel) was fired?  I'm really up in arms that Debbi Morgan is truly the only lead African American actress in daytime yet the audience is made up close to 40% African American!  Why won't a show hire Victoria Rowell? Where is the justice!
Listen..I am a fan of Kish.  OLTL told one of the greatest gay stories that I have seen on television.  It was obvious that the arc was overextended and in the process, stained the character of Dorian Lord.  But I still give One Life an A for Attempting and overall I was thrilled with the story.  But the story is over (just like Marcie/Michael) and it's time to move on.  I don't need GLAAD to tell me that this is such an injustice.
If you remove the emotion from the situation, a true soap fan has to realize that Llanview is just like any other town.  Would I like more diversity?  Yeah.  Would I like Kish to stay?  Yeah.  But people come and go and I won't stop watching.  If that was the case, I would have been a goner when Megan, Cord, Tina, Gabrielle, Max, Luna, Evangeline, Marcie, etc. all left.  Llanview will still be entertaining and I've learned that soaps aren't true depiction of our society.  I have yet to see a character that represents me and if I watched because of that I would watch none of them.

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Amen! uofmichgrad99 - you took the words right of my mouth. I think some in the soap media have a obvious bias regardung this, I do not hear these same pundits complaining about the lack of AA or latino characters and boycotting a show. please how hypocritical of them. Why not advocate to stop watching GHor DOOL, which i on't watch either and have very little representation of diversity Michael Fairman was on another podcast, he actually was very fair in his critique. He said this was a severe blow to the LGBT community, but the couple wasn't tracking well and he agree that it could've been too much gay overkill P.S. Fairman is openly Gay. I said this, just in case someone beileves he is gay bashing

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" So...Kyle and Noah fall in love.....how GREAT would it be to see TGVN's grandson and Jack's son hitting the sheets?! "

Homosexuality only exists on Y&R as something sick and wrong. Or for people like Sharon and Nikki and Victoria to snicker at. We won't even see them kiss. After a few months they would either disappear, or show up every blue moon to stand behind the straight characters.

"and the negative press that the show is getting now in the gay media is better than no press at all"

I don't see how getting negative press in the gay media leads to a ratings increase. People who hate gays aren't going to suddenly tune in. People who love scandal aren't going to suddenly tune in. The desperate damage control in this situation, complete with gays being blamed for ratings losses and someone trying to claim that this firing was caused by partying, seems like they have no real idea how to deal with this.

"A true fan's interest in the show should not be based solely on one couple;"

Considering that OLTL had the actors do a great deal of publicity for this story, and this story got onto blogs OLTL never did otherwise (like Perez Hilton), I'm not surprised that people who may not speak up about the rest of the show are speaking up here.

As for a true fan -- I've been watching this show for 15 years. I will probably stay until the end. Does that make me more of a true fan than the people running the show, who seem to believe that the way to go is to focus on pure garbage like Rex/Gigi, Todd the rapist passed off as a prize stud, his ridiculously aged instadaughter going around pouting and yelling, Jessica acting nothing like she did when she was a teenager, Natalie degrading herself, Blair degrading herself, etc. Are these stories supposed to be what true fans enjoy? Since every single black cast member is gone or going, aside from Greg (who is, interestingly enough, yet another man on the show who treats women like garbage), and the gays are not only going, but scapegoated to the press, what kind of message is that sending? That true fans need to know very clearly that blacks and gays are SOL?

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"But the story is over (just like Marcie/Michael) and it's time to move on."

The story had barely started. Marice and Michael dated for 2 years, 3 if you count Al, and then had a baby story for 3 years. Kish dated for not even 6 months. Fish just found out he might even be a father. And yet, in a month, Kyle and Fish are leaving, never to be seen again.

" I have yet to see a character that represents me and if I watched because of that I would watch none of them."

I don't expect soaps to represent me, but I sure would like to see a soap do more than tell me that women are worthless, women are there to be degraded, mental illness is wacky fun, families are meaningless, men who rape women and call them whores and only use them for sex are heroes. Complete with some of the worst acting on TV.

OLTL could be an entertaining show without gays or blacks, I'm sure. It has been in the past. But I don't think that is anywhere near the case now.

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I feel that I am upset about the lack of diversity in soaps and this is a kick in the bucket that soaps is dying.  I dont' that tptb are going to invest in bringing back legacy characters to the show, but a bunch of newbies no one cares about.  Why is they cleaning house unless they trying to bring on someone back on the show.

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Excellent post, uofmichgrad99.  A very good different point of view.

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I do not hear these same pundits complaining about the lack of AA or latino characters and boycotting a show.
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Seriously??? I mean seriously?? This is your latest slam on us? LMAO And WHERE did Victoria Rowell choose to tell the world how she was treated on Y&R? Right here, with these "biased, agenda driven" pundits you seem to despise so much, yet you keep coming back here every single day. Last time I checked, Drucilla wasn't a gay character, but we had her back just like we have Kish's, so next.

We have done full podcasts about the lack of black and latino characters on daytime. I did a post called "The Young and the Rest of Us" about the shameful state of Y&R's black storyline long before there was an Otalia or Kish. I have bemoaned the pisspoor storytelling for Jesse and Angie on AMC, and I (when I broke it) dissed OLTL for getting rid of Daphnee Duplaix just weeks ago. I am perfectly okay with criticism, but don't make up spin to try to make your point. Daytime Confidential has never been strictly Gaytime Confidential when it comes to promoting diversity, and that is a bold face lie. When Jillian did her interview with Florencia, I sent it to Latina Magazine.com to be linked, and several other Latina sites. I have also pitched Tika Sumpter features, similarly to the ones I sold to Curve for Eden Riegel and Crystal Chappell to EVERY single black magazine out there, so say what you will, but until you volunteer for a blog for years with two journalism degrees, and then hustle your ass off (in your own name not some anonymous initials that allow you to hate in private) to try to freelance stories about daytime's diverse canvas, all while holding down a paying job, AND building up the blog you write for to make it SUCCESSFUL then you can talk to me.

If you like these other podcasts and other peeps you keep talking about, cool, no sweat, I listen to many other soap journos, but why do you keep coming here to diss us, BG? Obiviously the comment section at those "other sites" you keep trying to pimp here in our comments ain't popping like ours.

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UofMichgrad99, I agree with a lot of your points. We are not encouraging any sort of OLTL boycott, but we also know why people are upset. We have had more comments about this than any other story that's broken in daytime since we started the site, and not just from gay men. Many straight women are pissed off. Our hotline has more calls than when John and Marlena were booted, Patch and Kayla, or when GL was canceled. People are simply venting their frustrations. Also, it's the verbiage that ABC choice to foster in their interview with TV Guide Magazine. Trust me, had there been even an intimation that it was "black overkill" that cost Daphnee her job, we would be just as outraged, but luckily, or unluckily depending how you look at it, bigots have long ago learned to keep their thoughts about blacks to themselves, whereas a phrase like "gay overkill" is totally cool to be used in a magazine read, and written by a slew of gay men.

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Jamey, great post and I am mad about the lack of AA's, Latinos, Asians and gays in soaps today.  again, Kish was a real relationship that viewers love and want to root for. but it is again comes to an end.  Victoria Rowell spoke about the lack of black actors and writers in daytime and the people on here was saying that Victoria was bitter and angry, but we all know it is true and that why the industry is dying.  Jamey, keep speaking the truth and can't wait for the next podcast.

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Mr. Giddens, If you correctly read my comments, I did not specifically said the DC crew, but pointed out the industry as a whole. Do not try manipulate my comments against DC. I respect the blog and the Daytime art-form and those who contribute to it. However if I call-out your duplicity then you should be mature enough to understand. I am a 39 year AA male who has my Bachelor of Science in Public Admin and Masters in Library and Science. You see I am a educated viewer who has a independent thought and view and I come here to share just as anyone else. I am familiar with your comments regarding Ms. Rowell and YR lack of diversity, and I applaud you for that, but unless I am mistaken, you did advise people not to watch the show. It seems this Fish story struck a nerve with you and that is fine all good art does. But you should learn to be consitent in your critiques, because although I may not write for a soap blog . I am among millions of fans who want to see the genre survive. Even if that means getting rid of characters, you can't bare to see leave the canvas, You are no more of a soap expert than I and others, but you are fellow soap lover who in the community should be able to handle and discern dialogue The DC blog is a helluva blog and if my previous posts did not convey that , then let me state to you that is what I believe, particularly since I post on it.

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OLTL appears to be pulling away from the diversity that distinguished them from the other soaps.  For this viewer, returning to the same old storytelling is not going to interest me.  

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Duplicty? Yes, you are mistaken, because I never advised anyone not to watch OLTL. Not at any time, so try again. What I said, was the development made it hard for me to keep telling people to "watch One Life to Live", which has been a mantra of mine.  And who said I was "more of a soap expert" than anyone else? I'm just one who happens to be the lead editiorial voice on this blog so it is what it is. If you think I am so inconsistent in my critiques, start your own blog, one starts every second. But no, I at no time advised anyone to not watch OLTL, so yes, you are mistaken, on that we can agree.
 

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I have seen this argument on other sites so I will bring it up here. If one of these boys were ties to a legit core (Kyle doesn't count) would this happen. First most famous soap characters did not necessarily have a tie to a core, but in today's soaps that has to be the case unfortunatly.

Discuss.

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east.west wrote:
I have seen this argument on other sites so I will bring it up here. If one of these boys were ties to a legit core (Kyle doesn't count) would this happen. First most famous soap characters did not necessarily have a tie to a core, but in today's soaps that has to be the case unfortunatly. Discuss.

People keep saying that if one of them was CJ Roberts things would have been different, but being Nora's daughter and Matthew's sister sure didn't help Rachel.

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I think "core" is such a relative term. John isn't part of a core family, and Lord knows Frons won't let anyone touch a tousled hair on his head. Rex and Gigi aren't core either. What makes Kish expendable is OLTL's executive producer feels they are the reason for the ratings slide.
 

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^True you both got a pt, but I honestly think that if they were core it would be more difficult for them to justify their outsting. I bet P&G would've love to wipe their hands clean of Nuke, but Luke has ties to the core. Instead of them being outsted all they got was bad story.

And Jamey I hope when y'all do the show you bring up the pt that Frank's logic is wrong. Even though these two are pop. they played it safe by not airing them a lot. What about having his pets (JPL & Farah) and my girl Crustal Hunt drive dramatic story and Mitch's return (which I enjoy for the pure camp).

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ATWT had zero problem axing Chris Hughes and Aaron Snyder, "core" characters, to bring back Dusty a few years ago. ATWT had no problem dumping "core" Brad Snyder last year. I don't believe they had some secret desire to write out Luke that they just couldn't get away with.

As for OLTL, I don't remember OLTL having any problem dumping Rachel, or Duke, or Tina, or Sarah Roberts. If anything, OLTL is now run by people who have no ties to the show's main families. The closest you get is Todd, who has nearly killed his nieces and whose relationship with his sister is now nothing more than a bored looking Erika Slezak telling him that Tea is a goddess.

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IOWAHAWKEYE on March 13, 2010 - 9:09am #24

Many of these posters here remind me that this show -- like any show -- can hit or miss.  I'm willing to see what Ron and Frank do next, i'm not ready to hang those 2 out to dry yet.

IOWAHAWKEYE: ITA with ya especially your "like any show - can hit or miss" as I said something similar not too long ago when Jamey G posted the ratings for shows that week and and as he always do/done say keep watching OLTL and I replied to him like "Jamey - do you think we're not watching or wouldn't watch?  We are watching even when certain characters/storylines suck and that we keep watching for the good.  I blame the low ratings, of course, on those Nielsen family members who aren't watching and asked Jamey why don't he try and get in touch with them and implore them to watch b/c the Nielsen's is what matters. I keep watching (just to support) or try and wait for the good even when a "sucky" character or storyline goes on for far too long and you're tired of FF or flipping the channel. You've got to convince yourself that soaps as a rule aren't going to make sense, that they are not logical and you will be pulling your hair out at some point over some ludicrous storyline or writing and/or a character and his or her actions that makes no sense.  But there comes a time when your brain doesn't want to suspend disbelief.  I think it's way too much to continue to ask your brain to suspend disbelief as you could possibly end up at St. Ann's psychiatric facility if you're aren't careful.

But I tell ya: I suppose I'd rather have the soap than a game show or talk show.

 

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IOWAHAWKEYE on March 13, 2010 - 9:09am
#24 ...

Many of these posters here remind me that this show -- like any show -- can hit or miss.  I'm willing to see what Ron and Frank do next, i'm not ready to hang those 2 out to dry yet.
 

IOWAHAWKEYE: ITA with ya especially your "like any show - can hit or miss" as I said something similar not too long ago when Jamey G posted the ratings for shows that week and and as he always do/done say keep watching OLTL and I replied to him like "Jamey - do you think we're not watching or wouldn't watch?  We are watching even when certain characters/storylines suck and that we keep watching for the good.  I blame the low ratings, of course, on those Nielsen family members who aren't watching and asked Jamey why don't he try and get in touch with them and implore them to watch b/c the Nielsen's is what matters. I keep watching (just to support) or try and wait for the good even when a "sucky" character or storyline goes on for far too long and you're tired of FF or flipping the channel. You've got to convince yourself that soaps as a rule aren't going to make sense, that they are not logical and you will be pulling your hair out at some point over some ludicrous storyline or writing and/or a character and his or her actions that makes no sense.  But there comes a time when your brain doesn't want to suspend disbelief.  I thinkit's way too much to continue to ask your brain to suspend disbelief as you could possibly end up at St. Ann's psychiatric facility if you're aren't careful.

But I tell ya: I suppose I'd rather have the soap than a game show or talk show.