HomeTVAll My ChildrenDC #527: OLTL’s Kish-tastrophe Daytime Confidential March 17, 2010 All My Children, General Hospital, One Life to Live, Podcast 28 Comments On today’s special episode of Daytime Confidential Luke, Jamey, Jillian and Regan weigh in on One Life to Live’s shocking dismissal of Brett Claywell and Scott Evans and the end of the soap’s popular, groundbreaking Kish love story. From the quote about Kish not resonating "with the mainstream audience" that has outraged so many fans, to the multiple storylines that have contributed to OLTL’s low ratings, DC digs into all the latest in this continuing saga. The DC gang explores why OLTL seems to be cleaning house of the very minority stars and young talent which has afforded the ratings-challenged sudser such critical acclaim. We pose the question, what has happened to the diversity Agnes Nixon created this show to reflect? We also ponder, should Brett and Scott return if ABC offers? Do TPTB really think they are giving the majority of the fans what they want, while destroying the show in the process? Jamey wonders, will the move to oust Kish be Frank Valentini’s Maureen Bauer moment? What, if anything, can OLTL do to turn things around in Llanview? No other topic since Daytime Confidential.com’s inception, from Guiding Light’s cancellation to Victoria Rowell’s shocking tell-all interview, has received such a vocal response from Daytime Confidential readers and listeners. More podcast fans have called in to our hotline about OLTL’s Kish-trastropy than about the firings of Drake Hogestyn, Deidre Hall, Mary Beth Evans and Stephen Nichols at Days of our Lives. Listen to fans voice their opinions about the controversy at the end of the episode. This is truly an episode Llanview lovers won’t wanna miss. Hang out in the Daytime Confidential Forums and discuss your favorite soaps, primetime TV series and movies. Help support and improve the Daytime Confidential podcast: Take a few minutes to fill out the two Daytime Confidential listener surveys: Listener Survey A l Be sure to leave your comments on all the latest goings on in the world of soaps by calling the Daytime Confidential comment line by calling 917-677-9757. Listen to Daytime Confidential by clicking on the Daytime Confidential Player at the bottom of this post or Download us for FREE via iTunes. Vote for us on Podcast Alley. Add us as a Friend on MySpace and Facebook. 28 Responses Dueler312 March 17, 2010 I’m not happy that they ended this storyline, but we lost some other good couples as well, and still stuck with the show. So I’m still sticking with the show, no matter what other people saying. And i still say OLTL is the best soap. Although I will say that I can’t wait for Ford and Hannah to go down. Log in to Reply BetseyD March 17, 2010 Why is this not yet available on iTunes? Log in to Reply Luke Kerr March 17, 2010 Are you subscribed to the podcast or are you just trying to listen to it without subscribing? If you are trying to listen without subscribing iTunes takes longer to update. It has downloaded for me through my itunes subscription. Log in to Reply east.west March 17, 2010 Here’s another interview Kish fans http://www.movieline.com/2010/03/one-life-to-lives-brett-claywell-we-told-a-story-in-a-world-where-most-people-are-afraid-to-tell-it.php And I agree w/Dueler’s post. Can’t wait to listen and I won’t be surprised if this becomes you guys top downloaded eppy. Log in to Reply md1347 March 18, 2010 They are totally right.. Kish was screwed and not in a good way. I will say again, When Kish goes off the air, I will no longer watch. Log in to Reply ad-girl March 18, 2010 jamey, you are so right on about this! How the hell is Todd the rapist "mainstream" but not Kish?! What the hell is wrong with Frons! Log in to Reply hunterforrester March 18, 2010 Brava! Simply an award-winning podcast. This is just soooo sad. One Life was our only hope. Log in to Reply kishaholic March 18, 2010 KISH-tastrophy is exactly what this is! but they will be what goes around comes around! Log in to Reply curacaoman March 18, 2010 ABC Daytime mainstream audience loves mobsters who never get their comeuppance, stupid teenage twits who mark an innocent man for liquidation, while protecting the creep who has been abusing them for quite a while, maniacal fathers who kidnap cadavers and plan to rape their own daugthers, rapists who romance their amnesiac victims. Off course a gay love story is not going to resonate with them. Log in to Reply dkp March 18, 2010 Great podcast. I hope ABC listens to this, cause it shows just how big of a stupid move this is. Log in to Reply Pepe1958 March 18, 2010 Just finished listening to the podcast and have to agree with everything that was said by everybody. I was not a OLTL viewer prior to June of last year, being a long-time ATWT fan; my disappointment with the latter show led me to give OLTL a try when I learned that they were developing a gay couple between Fish and Kyle. I instantly became a fan of the show, riveted not only by the terrific performances of Scott Evans and Brett Claywell, but also the wonderful Ilene Kristen, Robin Strasser, Florencia Lozano, Tika Sumpter, Kassie DePaiva, Amanda Setton, Tuc Watkins, Scott Clifton and David Fumero; as well as the smart and witty dialogue and magnificent plotting. I was going around telling people it was the best show on TV. Now, I’m embarrassed and disappointed by the show. The show has become a mess, with Mitch and Rex competing to see who can chew the most scenery, Gigi and Jessica competing to see who can be the bigger idiot, Langston throwing herself at manwhore Ford, that horrible Todd chasing after Kelly, etc. On top of that, I’m embarrassed and disappointed by the way TIIC have handled this situation, literally throwing these two actors under the bus in a particularly horrific way. They’ve lost a viewer here. I look forward to seeing Brett and Scott go on to bigger and better things. Log in to Reply Dueler312 March 18, 2010 For all of those people who think they are knocking off these characters off to cancel the show, I really don’t think they are doing that. Like I said, I’m not happy either with losing Kish, but we had other couples gone as well, and still stuck with the show, and that’s what I’m doing even with kish leaving. Log in to Reply gush900 March 18, 2010 For me i grew up on oltl through eterna and other great stories,This show has such a rich history.Yes losing kish is going to be a great loss but i dont think it defines the show.As i said i have 20 plus years invested in this show and i only see things getting better.Dont get me wrong the ford and langston storyline and the jessica storyline needto be wrapped up right away.Going forward i think its pivotal to have thorsten kaye return as patrick thornhart.I will continue to watch as i have through good and bad times. Log in to Reply ad-girl March 18, 2010 One thing I disagree with…people dismissing the complaints that Dorian was seriously out of character during Big Gay Wedding. IMO, anytime a character is "out of character" you really hurt the show. It didn’t make any sense that Dorian started out as working for Lowell, who was anti-gay marriage and then suddenly made a 180 in her politics. It really hurt the integrity of the character and of the show. I despise ABC for pulling Kish but I really wish that you guys would acknowledge that RC and FV made some serious mistakes with this storyline by tying the romance to politics. I don’t care what your politics are, viewers always hate any kind of obvious political preaching. The way to tell a story about the importance of marriage equality is to have it be subtle and natural, like the what we saw with Scotty & Kevin on B&S. OLTL missed an amazing opportunity to turn the hearts of many viewers. If they had focused first on the love story and waited until the natural point in the story when marriage would be natural topic — like now with baby Sierra — it would have worked so much better. Kish in and of themselves were wonderful. But the Dorian add-on, the silly politics plot, and so on took the attention away from Kish. I would bet money that if Kish were just Kish, a couple, and not symbol that the so-called mainstream audience would have taken to them. Sadly, just as Kish are positioned to become a traditional soap couple with the baby drama, they are now axed!!! This is just so stupid, I can hardly stand it. Log in to Reply angrierblackerman March 18, 2010 "Find your soap where you can" I agree. Has anyone ever tried CAPRICA? It is spinoff show of Battlestar Galactica. It’s a sci-fi show, but it is Soooooo a soap! WATCH CAPRICA! Log in to Reply eightiesaddict March 18, 2010 If you want to watch a gay soap watch Spartacus. It is heaven on earth. As for KISH I am heartbroken, and so disappointed with ABC. No more soaps for me. I have been a fan for over 30 years (One Life was my first), I stopped watching last week, and will not return unless KISH returns. Plain and simple. Love DC, keep up the good work. Log in to Reply Bourgeois Nerd March 18, 2010 Great podcast! You guys said most everything there was to say. I’d still like to know more about how FV, who has been nothing but supportive of the diversity heretofore, came to make such a blunder, not just Kish but getting rid of Sky and apparently any hint of melanin. I’ve heard nothing but that he’s a highly professional, stand-up guy who is really good at his job, so what’s with all this? What are Frons and Ron’s role in this? Log in to Reply josser March 18, 2010 EightiesAddict, Kish will air for the next month. Why are you missing out on the end of their story? Log in to Reply east.west March 18, 2010 Grade A podcast guys! Log in to Reply eightiesaddict March 18, 2010 Joss-I will watch the remaining KISH story on YouTube. I cannot stomach One Life any longer. I am furious and sickened over KISH leaving. I have watched daytime for over 30 years, and I have never been this mad. I have had more time to read at night and listen to music (and visit DC:) This pushed me over the edge and I have given up daytime (for good). I am tired of being taken for granted by networks, who do not listen to the viewers. I have also been catching up on Dexter, U.S. of Tara, and Spartacus. Log in to Reply sandylporter March 18, 2010 Thanks so much for a great interview! I loved how candid all of you were and how you spoke directly to the key points. This is one of the worst decisions I have ever seen and unfortunately for OLTL, it will cost them a lot of viewers. Really disappointing to see such an amazing love story be ditched in this way. Truly heartbreaking. Log in to Reply josser March 18, 2010 Did it occur to folks that the better the ratings are for OLTL while Kish is frontburner, the better the chance to bring them back? Log in to Reply TmontyB March 18, 2010 [quote=josstheguy]Did it occur to folks that the better the ratings are for OLTL while Kish is frontburner, the better the chance to bring them back? [/quote] I agree! Log in to Reply Dariclone March 18, 2010 This was a great, on point podcast. Thank you Jamey for pointing out that Frank is not actually a bigot, so much as he buckled to Brian Frons’ bigotry. He probably felt that his hands were tied and he would lose his job if he didn’t, but this was still a mistake. I think more than anything this is a reason to fire Brian Frons and if the ABC top bosses don’t see that they are *idiots!* Are they really going to get rid of Destiny and Shaun as well? Damn Brian Frons! Seriously! Log in to Reply appleridge March 18, 2010 Awesome Podcast Log in to Reply thecourt99 March 18, 2010 I listened to this podcast with a heavy heart. The reality is…times change quickly, but people change slowly….at least that is what I have found. I also think that it is worh it to note the type of society that we live in. Regardless of why..because no one can really pinpoint a reason….violence has always been more acceptable than sex. Example…Video game, grand theft auto…was panned by critics because there were hookers giving blowjobs in the game, but no one noticed the irony that the sole intent of GTA is about stealing things and getting away with it. A person can lose their job for sex related scandals, but will fight tooth and nail to allow anyone to carry a gun anywhere. A movie’s rating is based upon sexual innuendo or reference, but can still be PG-13 with multiple acts of violence and bloodshed. I pray for our society when our morals and belief systems are so screwed up. I would have more respect for people if they were consistent….but they are not. Violence is more acceptable than sex…any kind of sex. So yes, while it is sad that incest is okay but homosexuality isn’t…that seems to be the world that we now live in. What is even sadder is that ABC felt that there was nothing wrong with using this as an excuse.I am not sure if they can pinpoint who mainstream America is, who watches OLTL and which storyline they specifically didn’t like. But the fact that they felt that homosexuality can be used as a scapegoat and they could still get away with it…is sad, and it will be worse if it turns out that it is true. Log in to Reply n69n March 19, 2010 diversity is what MADE OLTL. i don’t know what the show is without it. i’m not so interested in finding out. Log in to Reply ltk March 19, 2010 Great podcast. And everyone who left comments in support of Kish were awesome! Thanks for speaking for me also. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.