DC #560: Super-Sized Emmy Reactions and State of Soaps Dish With Michael Logan



Join the Daytime Confidential crew in welcoming legendary TV Guide columnist Michael Logan for a Super-Sized episode of the DC podcast! Logan joins Luke, Jamey, Regan and Jillian for the first time to dish about the recent 37th Annual Daytime Emmys in Las Vegas. The gang leaves no golden lady unturned, discussing all of the major categories, plus the tributes!

Then Logan sticks around for a full-on State of Soaps Address with the DC crew. Everything from the awesomeness that is General Hospital, to why As The World Turns didn't deserved to be cancelled, One Life to Live and All My Children post the recent major overhauls, nostalgia fever at DAYS, B&B's latest pervy watercooler storyline and "How to Solve a Problem like Maria Arena Bell" at The Young and the Restless is covered. Trust us soap lovers, you will want to download this puppy quicker than a masked Brooke Logan leading a 20-year-old hottie outside so she can bang him against a wall!

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Is ATWT's eligible for next years Emmys? I'm getting conflicting answers?

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I think so. It will air it's last episodes in September, and the 2011 Emmys will probably be next May or June. That should give them at least a few months of eligible footage.

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Thanks Smile

I do have to wonder if short term story telling is better for the Emmys. Look with Maura she had to do more "exciting" stuff in a short amount of time. She had a wonderful reel but the lead storyline was only a few months long. Look at Stafford she's been in that same Nick/Sharon triangle for years! Now thats long term storytelling Wink

No seriously I just wonder because for instance Drew G basically led a long term story with the death of Claudia but he had less "amazing moments" in one episode they were stretched out.

With Crystal if you hadnt watched GL you didnt know why she was in love with Natalia (I'm hoping homophobia didnt play into it and I don't think it did) even though she led that storyline for over a year.

long term storytelling seems to be going the way of the dinosaur which is sad considering soaps used to be so much better with it.

But the soaps themselves are starting to award the short storylines (heck look at Pratt getting a nomination) maybe the emmy process needs an overhaul again something needs to be done.

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OLTL is still the best soap out there. No doubt about it at all.

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Yes Katie, the exact same thing happened with GL, they were off the air last September and they made the nominations for this year's Emmys, so ATWT definately should be the same! Hopefully ATWT will have better luck next year with wins than GL had this year!

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I agree with everything you said about Y&R, Maria HAckrena Hell and her entire team need to be fired, they ruined my show. I thought that LML Reign of terror was awful but MAB Reign of horror is worse.

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Katiebug--

Yes, long term storytelling seems to be going the way of the dinosaur because daytime television is dying. Noone knows if ANY of the current soaps will be around in a year or two, and if you couple that with dwindling attention spans, it seems that writers are throwing a whole bunch of stories against the wall in a desperate attempt to see what will stick. Sadly, very little of the current foolishness is sticking.

And the Emmys have gotten ridiculous with this "you can only submit one episode" nonsense. They used to allow two episodes, but I guess the voters don't even have the attention span or time anymore to look at two episodes, which I find to be sad. It's nearly impossible to gauge an actor's true range and talents off of ONE episode, unless you get lucky and get a REALLY well-written and emotionally gripping episode. That's rare, though.

I wish they'd go back to the two episode voting procedure.

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Dueler312 wrote:
OLTL is still the best soap out there. No doubt about it at all.

LOL Dueler. They just love to beat up on OLTL since KISH is gone, but I'm with you. I watch Y&R too and still think OLTL is more entertaining.

I have to say I was very surprised by Jamey comments. He was actually sorta nice.

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I enjoyed the podcast, and pretty much agree with what you guys were saying about the shows (especially Y&R), but I have to respectfully disagree about GH and OLTL. I would actually say the shows have been on reverse trajectories for the last few months, maybe even longer.

GH earlier this year was indeed amazing, with the shooting and abuse build up, but almost everything that has followed has been disappointing; from the shooting victim lying in court to defend his attacker, the abuse storyline ending up being all about the Sonny, Kristina lying about who beat her nearly getting innocent Ethan killed making her pretty unsympathetic, Keifer being being killed by Alexis instead of facing some sort of retribution/justice, that entire STUPID trial ending in a Dante a cop being blamed for the ridiculous outcome based on absolutely nothing resembling any kind of law in the world, instead of his uncle and dad who set everything in motion with their stupid coverup and Franco for letting the police find the body, the oversaturation of Lante in which Lulu has nearly completely lost her identity separate of Dante, bringing back Skye to do nothing, introducing Maya to be a message carrier, ruining the Spinelli character,the prison stuff, and the badly done destruction of scrubs. The actors and writers are actually some of the most talented on daytime, so they are capable of some good moments, anything involving Helena, Luke, Tracy, Johnny/Ethan and the the Quartermaines, but overall the last few months have been pretty bad. They have had multiple episodes with Sonny runnig around town asking everyone and there mother whether he was abusive, and when they ALL say yes, emotionally and verbally, he refuses to believe them. It is too dark, everything is sad, there is only one happy couple, and they play them so much that people (not me) have started to hate them. The show while it has been trending in the direction of the Sonny hour for the last few years, has become the Sonny/Dante show and whether you love or hate either of them, there is cause for complaint because they are on EVERY day and being written horribly. I HATE all the Franco stuff, so the next month of nothing but him does not give me hope about the immediate future. I hope with Vanessa Marcil's return, they will get some inspiration and return to the great show that they easily can and should be.

On OLTL, they started the year with the HORRIBLE Mitch stuff, Kim left, 17 Again, who's my daddy 2.0, Kelly's boring return, and the conclusion of the Morasco fiasco all contributed to a sad start to the year. There was also the abrupt exit of Kish and Skyler. Personally, the storyline of Skyler turning psycho in 1 episode and there being no resolution to the Kish/Sierra Rose story are what made that bad. I liked Kyle, but I could not care less that Fish and Skyler are gone. I know they were popular, but none of them were really integral characters and not really anchored to anyone on the canvas that made them indispensable. I agree that it is not at the heights that it was in 08 and early 09, it has been better in the last few months and I have been looking forward to it more than all the other shows again. I agree bringing back Lindsay, the Buchanan boys, and maybe even RJ could possibly bring it to near perfection again, but what they have been doing has pleased me lately (unless they kill of Tea, then all bets are off and they are dead to me!)

I think the behind the scenes stuff has sort of unfairly biased people against what is actually on the screen now on One Life. As unfortunate as the lose of Daphne Duplaix, Brett Claywell, Amanda Setton, and Scott Clifton was, I don't see it as materially affecting the show in a negative manor. Whereas on GH, the of screen shenanigans of firing Drew Garrett has lead to a much lesser actor in a pivotal role.

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I actually agree with you. I have given up trying to care about GH I realized the other day that even Brenda's return doesnt excite me simply because I dont care about the characters anymore.

OLTL however I find myself enjoying. I love the Ford brothers yes their new but so was Kish and even the Buchanan's at one time. I still hate Natalie and Jessica but I don't think thats ever going to change.

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This will go down as my favorite podcast! You all rock! I love the DC crew! Gosh you all hit the nail right on the head! I love it! Thanks for this podcast.

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Did I hear correctly? Will Vivian on Days actually be buried alive? And will Carly get her revenge? YAY (hope I heard correct)

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I would be so happy to have Matthew Ashford back on Days! He would be a welcome return to the show! He's able to balance humor and drama so well as an actor, I really hope that rumor turns out to be true! Especially with seeing Melissa Reeves back for the funeral. It made me realize how important Hope, Jenn and the Hortons are to this show. I love the Bradys and DiMeras but the foundation of this show was built off of the Hortons and while it's nice to see Nathan represent that, I feel Alice's grandchildren have dwindled through the years. Really it's only Hope as Lucas left town (and doesn't look like he will be back soon except for visits) and Julie is only recurring. So Jenn needs to return and have Jack, JJ and Abby back.

Also, I would LOVE to see Vivian buried alive. NOT a Crystal Chappell fan, ALWAYS stood by Hope even when she "died" on the Cruise of Deception, but something to see Louise Sorel shine is welcome in my eyes. And seeing her torture Carly has been fun, but it needs to even, it can't be Carly is the victim all of the time or Vivian looks like a bully. It needs to have good balance so I do welcome that.

Good podcast folks, enjoyed having Michael Logan on. It's great that you guys really love and honor the genre and to go out and get someone like Mr. Logan is a real treat to long time soap and TV Guide fans. Thanks!

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Some people on other sites are saying that Vivian will have SOMEONE else bury her and then frame Carly for it. I doubt that Carly would actually bury Vivian alive, but then again--what do I know??? I have only watched DAYS sporadically over the years. Maybe Carly is crazier than a soup sandwich, and just hasn't snapped yet??????

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Well Vivian did bully Carly most of the time in the 90s, stealing her child, and burying her alive so I think Carly (if she does go crazy and bury her alive) is due a meltdown. I think she has a lot of issues and if Days would write it. This could be a good storyline.

I could see Vivian trying to frame Carly, she tried this when she killed off all of Carlys patients in the 90's it almost worked to but then Vivian "killed" Carly and buried her alive good times.

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It sounds interesting. I do like DAYS sometimes, but other times (most of the time lately!) I find it to be cheesy and sophomorically written. This show lacks balance. It's either good or horrible. I do watch, though. Trying to support SoapNet before they cancel it.

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Oh I hear ya, If I have to hear Carly tell Chloe one more time to "tell Daniel the truth" I'm going to start a drinking game...and I don't even drink!

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Great to hear Michael Logan on this podcast!

ITA with Luke, as long as we got to see the awards who cares that it was too much Vegas. But then I agree with the ladies that the show needed to show the clips. And ITA with Jamey that last year's was so cheap and sad, this year's was a vast improvement.

Listening to the rest....
Okay, OLTL is horrible, no doubt about it. The return of RH and imposter storyline is the only thing that can save it for me. That is your "game changer" Jamey.

And Luke, I loved ATWT this past week. RH and KMH were dynamite on Tuesday in the farewell to Meg episode. I can't think of the last time I cried like that watching a soap. They are my Emmy picks for next year.

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I wish I could join you guys on the podcast one day, LOL. Love listening to these. One time I listened to one of the podcasts at school in the library and got caught LOL. You guys are all so hilarious and give great input on the soaps, I love it. This one was one of the best, thanks for doing these guys.

Jamey, glad you are going to put AMC back on your DVR. I really hope you start liking the show and become more attached to it. It's actually not that bad these days. JR/Annie and the Angie storyline are definitely the highlights right now. Also look out for Damon and Liza! Jillian, I think you should watch AMC to! It's not torturous Lol!

And OMG at Vivian being buried alive. Shock

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AMAZING PODCAST guys!

There so much I actually want to comment on.

Emmys
Michael what you said about soap fans being more than the mold of the housewife or Middle America person (not your words, but what I read into) is so on on point, which is why I disagree w/you guys about the telecast. I'll preface it by saying, concerning you and Jamey, that it's different since you were there, but to me it what (I hope unintentional by ATI) playing to the lowest common denominator of entertainment and what the stereotype of what ppl think soap fans like. Last yrs. show was better even w/it faults. I am ashamed that I got so invested into what I thought was going to be a good show. I'll never complain about the other award shows I watch ever again after that. Yes when reasoned out, it wasn't CBS doing this out of it's heart, but still I think as soap fans (and yes these award shows are not only about the soaps, but for me it is lol) we deserve better and if this is what we are going to be reduced to, than I don't want no part in. My heart can't take it and I have better things to do. As for a different avenue, I would love for a scale down thing like the old days and have that be broadcast during the day and getting big name daytime ppl like The View girls and Ellen would be excellent. If that can't happen and the other option is an embarrassingly tacky looking show, then have the show be a gala thing not televised and just give a press release of the winners, b/c at least (for me) the award (minus the shady ways of nominating) would have that feeling of prestige again.

The show discussion:
Liked this in depth look at the soaps.

AMC I think is enjoyable soap right now. It has the soapy essence and while stuff range from great to decent, that soapy element is the hook that gives me hope, but I will say Debbi Morgan's Emmy worthy episode last week reeked of GL's Inside the Light (which those Wed. shows ranged from brilliant to tedious) so that is something we can expect fromm D&D.

ATWT is hit or miss for me, but y'alls analysis and JBJ & Neeketa's posts I see the soap it could've been. What I strongly agree w/is that it is not like GL was (even though I liked the production and the finale) at this time last yr.

B&B is good trash! Michael summed it up well. And from the previous podcast JBJ observation was on point. The show is not taking itself seriously and that can make for fun TV watching or one having a sense of embarrassment from watching. It's not the soap I got hooked on my summer vacation in my home of Ghana (reruns of the late 80s.) or the soap I lived for when I got back (during the Rick, Amber, Deacon, real Bridget era), but I think (fear and duck for cover) Brad has found a niche and he's running w/it.

Days is a throwback of what soap fans love. Romance, drama, and family. I am liking it a lot and it's not the main draw that is EJ/Sami/Rafe (which I find very boring). The young set and the vets are what makes this really great soap for me.

GH is the one I am addicted to right now. Not to say I don't have issues (story points in the amazing writing), but in all pretty good show. I think Michael is on to something when he said that GH is using the medium to try to do something that is different (which can be good or bad) and be modern. The acting, production, and writing is beyond stellar and is putting the others to shame. And I will maintain forever that why the "mob" stuff is finally clicking, for me at lest, is b/c the SORASing of Tony's (er Sonny's) kids w/phenomenal young talent we are fortunate as soap fans to have, before they make it big. What is rich and great about that part of the show is that we are seeing the ramifications of his lifestyle through the eyes and point of view of his children. It was beyond annoying and made you wonder, why they wrote Sonny the way the did for most of the last decade. Now w/this development, I can take the character seriously and Maurice has awoken and is inspired. The character is not a leading man anymore, he's a conflicted patriarch which works better as that type of character. As for the secondary part of the show, what can one say? It's has always been enjoyable to see that part of the show, but w/the "mob" stuff better written, it makes the show flow and I am enjoying it as a whole than opposed in segments.

OLTL & Y&R we need to have an intervention for, esp the latter. OLTL needs to find something of focus in this new direction and stick w/it. Sections I am enjoying a little better, but no means takes away from the obvious problems. As for Y&R, Jamey you hit the nail on the head. Maria was great at fixing stuff, but there's a reason she had that position at B&B all those yrs. ago (too lazy to look up, but I think she was a script editor). She cannot spawn off the clean up and make good stories. I will say that Adam is her benchmark, b/c for better or for worse that character (more the actor IMO) is her muse and he inspires her to center good or bad story around him. As for a change one can only hope something happens, but it won't, b/c nobody from the great day of soap don't/should not put up w/current Daytime.

I incoherently type a lot of nonsense lol and totally butchered y'alls points made, but my main point of this post is to say BRAVO and commend you guys on a fantastic podcast.

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You did not just call GH the most adult soap?! Really?! (Unless you're referring to its soft core porn tendencies.) It's a cartoon shell of its former self.

You want reality? How about some deep cover Russian spies who've been living in PC for the past 20 years.

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Didnt Sonny kill the head of those spys last year Wink

I love OLTL and Days those are my shows now. GH I understand some love it. But I just can't watch it anymore its to much of a shell of its former self yes it has moments of greatness but nothing lasting and finally I just couldnt take it anymore.

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IMO,the Emmy voting process is laughable and needs to change. An actor or actress winning an Emmy is winning for a reel submission and not for what the honor should be for - rewarding a performer for his or her work over the course of an entire year. I don't think it's really fair to reward an Outstanding Lead Actor/Actress Emmy to an actor or actress for his or her performance in, for instance, a 3-episode storyline. It should be awarded to an actor or actress who had MANY moving and memorable acting moments throughout the year.

Meaning no disrespect to Maura West (congrats on her win and IMO, she is a wonderful actress and her reel submission was excellent), but Crystal Chappell should have been rewarded with the Emmy for the PERFORMANCE OF THE YEAR IN THE STORYLINE of the year. Otalia was one of the most talked about soap couples in 2009 and the acting in this storyline was constantly being praised by the press. I am not really a soap fan and I'm straight and her performance this past year as Olivia Spencer moved me (and thousands of fans), like no other...

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The TV Academy will NEVER institute any system that allows Emmy voters to judge an ENTIRE year's worth of performances because, a.) the Emmy voters are "too busy" to actually devote more than a few hours a year toward this process, b.) It would probably cost the TV Academy too much money to do it any other way and c.) the people who run the TV Academy are probably CONVINCED that the current process works, and will be unwilling to change their minds.

To paraphrase Jeanne Cooper's thoughts in a SOD interview from last year, the ONLY way to ensure that the Emmys are fair and equitable is to just NOT GIVE THEM OUT TO ANYONE!! LOL!!! Wink Wink

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alstonboy4315 wrote:
The TV Academy will NEVER institute any system that allows Emmy voters to judge an ENTIRE year's worth of performances because, a.) the Emmy voters are "too busy" to actually devote more than a few hours a year toward this process, b.) It would probably cost the TV Academy too much money to do it any other way and c.) the people who run the TV Academy are probably CONVINCED that the current process works, and will be unwilling to change their minds.

To paraphrase Jeanne Cooper's thoughts in a SOD interview from last year, the ONLY way to ensure that the Emmys are fair and equitable is to just NOT GIVE THEM OUT TO ANYONE!! LOL!!! Wink Wink

Okay, if the process will never be fair and equitable, then I will just continue to ignore these "faux" accolades. I, for one, am not a big fan of any of the soaps currently on the air - the suits and the sponsors control everything that is said and done. I, for one, am more interested in following soaps to the Internet where there is more creative freedom...

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Coopie--

I don't think the Emmys are a "faux accolade". I think that 90% of the time, they end up being awarded to great actors who are deserving of them, even though you do get the occasional WTF win (like Drew Tyler Bell this year!!) that makes the ENTIRE process seem completely unfair. I don't think the system is flawed to the point that they should stop giving them out...I was just joking about that.

I think that ALL of the acting winners at this year's Emmys (except Drew!) are wonderful actors who have strong, solid and continuous bodies of MAGNIFICENT work to their credits.

The Emmys do get it wrong sometimes, but they also get it right a lot of the time.

I know you wanted Crystal Chappell to win, and I am sorry she didn't, but the list of actors and actresses who have been ROBBED BLIND at the Emmys over the years-- both in primetime and daytime---could probably fill a book!!! Ditto for the Academy Awards and Golden Globes. NONE of the award shows really get it 100% right all the time.

I hope you can get over your pain surrounding Crystal Chappell's Emmy loss..... Smile . She's a tremendously talented actress who is not getting the level of deep and insightfully-written stories that she got on GL. DAYS is wasting her talents on mediocre writing, and I fear she will never get to add a 2nd Emmy to her mantle. Sigh.

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Coopie--

I don't think the Emmys are a "faux accolade". I think that 90% of the time, they end up being awarded to great actors who are deserving of them, even though you do get the occasional WTF win (like Drew Tyler Bell this year!!) that makes the ENTIRE process seem completely unfair. I don't think the system is flawed to the point that they should stop giving them out...I was just joking about that.

I think that ALL of the acting winners at this year's Emmys (except Drew!) are wonderful actors who have strong, solid and continuous bodies of MAGNIFICENT work to their credits.

The Emmys do get it wrong sometimes, but they also get it right a lot of the time.

I know you wanted Crystal Chappell to win, and I am sorry she didn't, but the list of actors and actresses who have been ROBBED BLIND at the Emmys over the years-- both in primetime and daytime---could probably fill a book!!! Ditto for the Academy Awards and Golden Globes. NONE of the award shows really get it 100% right all the time.

I hope you can get over your pain surrounding Crystal Chappell's Emmy loss..... Smile . She's a tremendously talented actress who is not getting the level of deep and insightfully-written stories that she got on GL. DAYS is wasting her talents on mediocre writing, and I fear she will never get to add a 2nd Emmy to her mantle. Sigh.

I absolutely agree that over the years, many excellent actors and actresses have been rewarded with Emmys and that is a wonderful thing. However, I still wish they would look at ways to improve the voting process. Just the fact that you mentioned so many that were "robbed" over the years speaks volumes... And I am actually over CC's loss. She is a winner even without that gold statuette. She is a winner because her storyline and acting this past year touched so many lives... That's what really matters. For the reasons you stated, the voting process will probably never change dramatically (perhaps tweeked, if anything). I guess I'll just never be able to wrap my head around "you were the best THIS YEAR" awards being handed out based on what voters see on a reel.

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I love that CC said that "It was just an honor to be nominated as GL's last leading lady"

I do still feel her loss but I'm getting over it. I think I'm more so upset at the way the winners are picked but its not like I can change that.

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This was an onsightful podcast guys. I think Michal Logan made a great guest and hope he will come on again.

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is there going to be a podcast this week?