Poll Position: How Magazine Polls Prove General Hospital is Run By Blithering Idiots Re: Becky Herbst




Since numerous insiders have told me the dying industry we love pays absolutely no attention to us pesky "online fans" (Yeah, because a paid focus group attendee provides such a better barometer than someone who takes the time to name themself Liason69 or JaSamlover and engage with other diehard fans online), I decided to check out where ousted General Hospital star Rebecca Herbst (Liz) fell in the magazine polls for their Feb 1, 2011 issues. Now remember these polls came out before the announcement that the 13-year GH veteran and new mommy had been unceremoniously fired for "storyline-dictated" reasons.

According to this week's Soap Opera Digest poll, Herbst was selected GH's Favorite Actress. Yep, that's right, enough Port Charles lovers logged onto  www.soapoperadigest.com/polls to select underdog Herbst as their fave. Oh, it doesn't stop there, Wanna know who Digest readers selected their fave couple? Jason and Elizabeth, aka Liason, won that honor and they haven't been together in a dog's age. Imagine that.

Moving over to this week's ABC Soaps In Depth where Herbst was selected Number Two among ABC's Top 5 actresses for the week. She was immediately behind fellow GH star Kelly Monaco, yet ahead of superstar Vanessa Marcil Giovinazzo

A quick glance at SID's couples poll and Liason was Number 2, just behind JaSam at Number 1. Now I ain't never proposed to be a statistician, but it would stand to reason the Liason vs. JaSam triangle is still the hottest thing GH has going long after it was ripped apart, allegedly because of network-level meddling. I'm sure glad the exec in question wasn't around to get his hands on Rachel/Steve/Alice at Another World. #YouHaveNoEffinInstinctsRetireAlready

You know, I started this week off wanting desperately to be positive about something concerning daytime soaps, which is why I wrote a piece raving about Jamie Luner's recent, inspired performances on All My Children. After the last few days, however I'm reminded just how clueless and self-destructive the people running this industry into the ground really are.

As popular as they have to know  Herbst is—whether they want to admit it or not—how can they even contemplate killing her character off? It's insanity, complete and utter insanity, but really it's nothing new for this regime, is it? GH executive soap opera slayer Jill Farren Phelps has made an arrogant sport of killing off soap's most beloved heroines, from Maureen Bauer on Guiding Light to Frankie Frame on Another World. What's one more in Liz Webber?

Then there's head writer Bob Guza. While I've been a fan since the days of "Clink, Boom", the fact that he picked off the Quartermaine family one-by-one disgusts me to no end. Guza's narrow vision for this soap has helped erode viewers and frustrate fans for years now. I can no longer place all the blame on his former writing partner Chuck Pratt, or even ABC Daytime exec Brian Frons

Yes, my sources told me Frons was the person who wanted the Liason pairing axed, but it was Guza who couldn't manage to come up with a decent story for Liz post the breakup with Jason, yet he gets paid in the neighborhood of $30,000 a week, reportedly. 

Sorry Bobby, as of this "fans be damned" stunt, I'm done being your apologist. Oh, and when you get through killing off all the characters we love, leaving the show a dismal shell of itself— just like they did at AW, GL and ATWT years before we ever heard the phrases "subprime lending" or "automobile industry bailout"—and General Hospital is cancelled, I will be right here to point out why it happened, and I won't use the phrase "the economy" not even once. 

 


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OK GUYS - here we go again. Just when we calm down another article comes out about the discusting crapola going on at GH - We are mad mad mad.

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I feel as though I should comment just b/c my username is mentioned ....

But - I just came to this site, to check in on soap news as I do every few days, and I am shocked about this! And I'm actually kind of sad. I hate Elizabeth with a red hot fiery passion, but damn. And as much as I hate Liz, I love Becky.

Who will I direct my all consuming ire at now?

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I think this is a bit over dramatic, sorry Jamey.

I don't blame Guza, I blame Frons. The man is ruining all three ABC soaps.

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Standing up and cheering this post. Jamey sing it from the rafters!!! You said it perfectly, and called out these incredible inept fools for their stupidity.

I still can't come to terms with this firing. I find myself praying for this show to be canceled. I know this is not nice...but I can't help it. The show won't be the same for me minus Elizabeth, and I will probably no longer watch it. I think I may check in from time to time, read Perkies posts...but I have lost all interest in this show. There is no longer have any characters I love left on this show, and the story lines are extremely boring and unimaginative. This is coming from a fan that cried when Luke and Laura were married.

All I know is if they kill off Elizabeth, instead of letting her leave town... they will really be sentencing this show.

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giogio wrote:
OK GUYS - here we go again. Just when we calm down another article comes out about the discusting crapola going on at GH - We are mad mad mad.

As I no longer have anything left to watch on GH, I am so happy to have DC's continuous stream of angry posts to distract me. Yes, we are mad, mad, mad.

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giogio wrote:
OK GUYS - here we go again. Just when we calm down another article comes out about the discusting crapola going on at GH - We are mad mad mad.

As I no longer have anything left to watch on GH, I am so happy to have DC's continuous stream of angry posts to distract me. Yes, we are mad, mad, mad.

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ICAM TO JAMEY AND GHFAN777!! BRAVA!! u both said exactly how i've been feeling and i couldn't have said it better myself, jmo.

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One of Jamey's best points that he's made over the years is that a Liz-Jason-Sam triangle could have powered GH for DECADES. Every true supercouple has serious rivals--John/Marlena had Roman, Luke/Laura had Scotty & Stefan, even Cruz/Eden had Robert Barr--some old love that was actually a viable threat to the supercouple. I think even JaSammers would have to agree that without Liz, there's no tension left for their couple. No viable romantic challenge. Same goes for Lucky/Siobhan and Brooklyn/Nik. She was a source of tension for all those couples--and now what?

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I get the Liz fans are angry. Rightfully so.. Becky has been on the show for 13 years and there was alot of story potential.

But Jamey, it kind of seems that you are pissed at GH because one of your favs is getting screwed over, because in all of the podcasts (even with Larry Flick) you mentioned that, Yes it sucks that Guza has killed off the Q's but the Q's weren't the original family on the show anyways.

You've also said that GH has never really been about the Hospital...

But now your pissed about the Q's dying?

I'm not trying to be rude. I think it's great that your voicing your opinion. I'm just confused I guess..

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Well said Jamey!! I still cannot make sense of her firing.

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I agree Melanie!

Today, instead of soaps, I had a West Wing marathon. Thank you, Netflix. You and I are gonna be seing a lot of each other from now on...

BTW...mad doesn't begin to describe it. DONE would be a more appropriate word.

But I still love my DC peeps! ROCK ON!

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Right on Jamey!

I'm one of those Becky and Liason fans that vote the soap opera polls once a week, write letters to TPTB, and even call the comment line for GH and OLTL. Why doesn't Liz have a story line? JMO....Liz should be the one working with Michael instead of Abby, because she is a rape survivor. I would have loved to have seen Liz's rapist being released from prison while she's working with Michael. Liz is an artist, why not have her accidentally stumble upon a stolen art ring? How about Liz/Robin working together to bring down Lisa? What about Liz uncovering a counterfeight drug ring deep in the bowels of the hospital? How about Liz/Robin discovering that someone was experimenting on dead bodies in the morgue? What about Liz chucking her nurses career to become an artist?

I don't make $30,000 a week, but even I can come up with story ideas for a legacy character based on her history on the show.

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Jamey, I guess the question I have is whether or not GH is the show looking at a 50% cut. I was trying to ballpark that math both for GH and for AMC. I still wholly believe its AMC, but that GH is getting pressure re: its budget as well.

The reason I ask is that IF its GH thats looking at the 50%, I kind of think both RH AND VMG will leave and, I will go further, I think had VMG brought the ratings, RH would still be going, but she would be going WITH Kelly Monaco and VMG would be staying. I think KeMo fans got lucky that VMG tanked because while VMG still has a sizeable fan base, its not what it once was (based on what I see on the GH FB page) and if she was specifically brought in FOR sonny and that pairing isnt working, then her character makes no sense since she has no ties to the canvas. I think Kelly also got lucky in that I am sure she is way less expensive than VMG. IF its GH looking at the dramatic budget cuts, then I have to believe herbst is only the first of many that will be shown the door. I could imagine seeing some newbies going, but firing newbies isnt going to get you to 50% - 50% means major characters being let go and across the board budget cuts (including Guza) If its IS Gh then I think everyone outside of LW, MB, SBu, Kelly (and I say Kelly only assuming that they arent going to cut her, Becky and Vanessa all at the same time) Robin and Patrick (because they are popular and drive the hospital storylines) and DZ (because he is popular and probably dirt cheap) could potentially be on the chopping block.

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jlafferty23...it's called The Pile On effect. You can take poison in small doses but eventually it's gonna kill ya.

Kind of like my love for GH. I've watched since Luke MET Laura. But they have raped me emotionally for the last time. It's kinda like a divorce. I can't say I never loved you...but I can say that the bad outweighs the good and I'm done and I can't even stand to look at your face anymore. There's nothing they can say or do that can repair what's been broken.

I totally feel ya Jamey and am not confused AT all.

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I get the Liz fans are angry. Rightfully so.. Becky has been on the show for 13 years and there was alot of story potential.
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When GH killed off A.J., Alan, Justis, Emily and Georgie, I wrote, called and emailed TPTB multiple times. Heck, my hand writing is atrocious, but I still put pen to paper and wrote several letters to GH. I'm doing the exact same thing for RH.

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Listen, I have been watching GH since the late 80's. I agree that this soap needs a revamp, and needs fresh ideas. But I dont blame Guza, I really don't. Because if you look at all the ABC soaps, you can just tell Frons is screwing with all of them...

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So is there definitely a rumor going around that she'll be killed off? I started to speculate about that right after I heard she was being "let go" and then when ABC put out that statement about "big story" coming up, alluding to it being "can't miss" TV, which usually, in Frons land, means that SOMEONE WILL DIE.

I don't really understand why Guza can't write huge controversial triangles. It's like, in order to prop one couple, he has to destroy the odd man out. He destroyed Sam, when he had Jason sleep with Liz, then he spent years destroying Elizabeth. Why not write a really strong triangle, ala the days of Sonny, Brenda and Jax? That triangle was so hot it was on all the magazine covers for ages, and fans were glued to the TV. You'd think all of these magazine polls, and the online debates over this triangle (even though it hasn't been a real "triangle" in years now) would've given TPTB a clue - hey, maybe if we focus on this triangle, bring it to front burner and write good material for both sides, more people will watch and get passionate about it?

I just don't understand. I've read a few places that Frons had a personal dislike of RH and wanted her gone. Don't know if that is definitely true, or if Guza just didn't know what to do with Liz. It seems like he tried to put her into a controversial, hot triangle with Nik and Lucky, but she and Nik never caught on, and most people were dismayed that she was sleeping with Lucky's brother, while accepting Lucky's marriage proposal. After that, it felt like Guza just kept on and on with ruining Elizabeth, until, I admit it, I just couldn't really stand her. And I know that it is probably an agenda. Just like how Guza destroyed Kate to try to create a Sonny/Carly #1 redeux with Sonny and Claudia. When that didn't work, he tried to push Sonny toward Olivia. In the meantime, MW's character became a ridiculous caricature of her former self, and now look where Kate is. NO WHERE. I get so weary of Guza and his agendas, like trying to push Dante/Brenda on me when their "secret" has all but ruined Dante, in my eyes. When will it ever end?

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Frons made it clear he hated Liason, and "apparently" told Guza to axe that couple (I don't support the man, but God Bless him for that LOL)...

Is it really that far fetched that Frons was pulling the strings telling Guza not to write for Liz?? I mean come on...

How do we know what really goes on behind the scenes? From what I hear, Frons dictates all the stories on GH (that is just a rumor of coarse)...

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Agreed, GHFan777. Applause all around, Jamey.

And, Liason4real, someone called into Stardish Radio last night, on blogtalk, saying the exact same thing about Michael, Liz, and her rapist possibly getting out of prison, and I find more and more fans having that same idea. She could have put out some true Emmy worthy material if they would have just given her the material and the chance she deserved! THAT was a story right there, PIC’s. Right underneath your noses.

Other's have said she may go suddenly crazy because all the men in her life have secure relationships (I kid you not Sick !), which I am DEFINITELY not willing to watch. But the most popular theory is that she will kill her off. If they do such a thing, you know what my biggest fear is??? You know the 100th episode of Criminal Minds when Hotchner’s ex-wife was sought out by the Grim Reaper because he wanted revenge on Hotch??? Remember how she went out? If not, here’s a devastating clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ1P4Sjv1qk&feature=related

I cry just watching the rerun on A&E. THAT was storyline dictated and I fear them pulling the same B.S. here. People keep tossing around Franco’s name, since he’s returning and I honestly don’t put it above this regime to do such a thing. I mean, he returns at the end of February, she's out in March??? I’ve heard that he’s only supposed to be back for two episodes, but is there a chance they will extend his stay for this? The ‘not-to-miss’ B.S. we keep hearing about??? IMO, and this is just my opinion here folks, Franco is their Grim Reaper and Jason is their version of Hotchner in all of this. And Liz is the mother of his child. There had been rumors of Jake somehow being involved instead of Aiden this time. I wouldn’t put any of this shiz past GH. Not only would it rip out the hearts of beloved Liz fans, but it’s just brutal all around, considering the way she’s been written for years now and the way they have her going out as an actress. SMDH. Doodleynoodle is right. I’m WAY past mad. DONE is more appropriate for me at this point.

And someone mentioned the other day that she was on DOOL first. She played Dana Winthrop in ‘96.

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Is it really that far fetched that Frons was pulling the strings telling Guza not to write for Liz?? I mean come on...
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If you believe the stories, Frons nixed story after story for Erika Slezak which is really stupid.

So, yes, I have no doubt at all that Frons said no story for RH which gave him the means to fire the actress.

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liason4real

THANK YOU.

I may not be a fan of Liason or Liz for that matter
But I do love LnL2, I do love Becky and there is no doubt in my mind that this is all Frons. He tells Guza what write, and he is the one that fired Becky.

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Cheers to you Jamey.
You are NOT HAVING IT & I love it.

Everything you wrote is true.

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GHfan-4now...Yes, I was listening to Stardish last night, and the caller's were spot on with Liz helping Michael.

I keep hearing the rumors that Liz is going to die and do all kinds of crazy shizz between now and March. I won't be watching GH kill off my Lizzie girl.

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Jlaff..I gotta disagree a bit here. Frons screwed with AMC only by moving it and I think he truly thought that he was saving the show...looking at this SOLELY from a business perspective ratings = how much you can charge for advertizing, but you also have to figure costs into that equation to determine how much PROFIT each show makes. IF OLTL and AMC earn equivalent ratings and OLTL costs 75% of what it costs to make AMC then OLTL is more profitable. Thats what Fron's bosses care about. Character integrity, writing, production values etc. - they dont care spit about that EXCEPT as it pertains to ratings. From what it seemed to me, OLTL was the show they wanted to axe, and moving AMC to LA was SUPPOSE to lower thos production costs, thus increasing the shows profits. The move COULD have worked, even with the loss of Zach and Adam, and would have worked had they had the right head writers. Frons screwed up by picking the WRONG head writers, but that doesnt absolve (I cant remember their names but the guys from GL) for messing up the show. When Broderick was writing, I was actually enjoying a lot on my screen and even with Rylee ordered back together, I COULD have tolerated them much better if the story had been stronger.

Meanwhile Frons screwed with OLTL and look at how that effected the show. At first it was a mess because RC allowed Frons dictates to throw him off his game. Thats when the Morascos were eating the show alive, but so much of what was written was a mess. Stacy COULD have been on as much as Frons wanted without the show being a disaster. Its clear to me that at some point RC and his team came up with a better strategy for dealing with Frons meddling and we are now seeing a much stronger show. Either a. RC found a way to get Frons to stop interfering or they b. found a way to work around the meddling.

Then you get to GH - If AMC's problems stem mostly from having the wrong writers and OLTLs success comes from having a head writer who successfully manages Frons' interference, how can we then give Guza a total pass?? I am SURE frons involves himself in the show (and isnt that part of his job?) but I cant imagine that he told Guza to write Brenda for an entire month in Rome interacting almost predominately with two characters which have no history with the audience while they discussed almost exclusively 3 characters again that we have no history with (cartulo, alexander and the balkan) if frons told me I had to pen a story for brenda where a. she was being menaced by someone powerful b. I had to have brenda on 4 days a week and c. I had to work Sonny, Jason and Dante into the story at some point in major roles and d. Carly had to be jealous, I DEFINATELY could have come up with something that didnt isolate brenda, didnt turn dante in to a total hypocrite re: Michael and Lulu, didnt stomp all over the history of Brenda etc. etc. That part of the mess falls totally on Guza.

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Everyone is right on these posts - does anyone know if the people we are directing our anger at read comments? They should. It would give them a heads up to stop acting like fools.

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Great post EET. You made a lot of valid points.

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jlafferty23,,,YW.
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I am NOT a JaSam fan, but I did like Sam when she was full of revenge against Liz/Jason, and when she was with GV's Lucky. LuSam was smoking hot and it was the first time that I actually liked Lucky, because Sam liked Lucky.

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EET..

I just dont agree. I truly believe it is all Frons
Do I think Guza has his little "obsession" with Dante, Brenda, Sonny, and Jason. Yes I do. But I also think Frons does as well.

Frons doesn't have love for daytime, on the other hand, I think Guza does.

Fire Frons, get a new head of daytime. Keep Guza, and see if GH changes. I bet it would.

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liason4real

Yeah as a Sam fan, I must admit, I hated those times. I felt like the writers were throwing Sam under the bus, much like what is going on with Liz right now.

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Ditto, Liason4real. Just can't stomach the thought, let alone watch, if they choose to kill her off. Sad