Poll Position: How Magazine Polls Prove General Hospital is Run By Blithering Idiots Re: Becky Herbst



Since numerous insiders have told me the dying industry we love pays absolutely no attention to us pesky "online fans" (Yeah, because a paid focus group attendee provides such a better barometer than someone who takes the time to name themself Liason69 or JaSamlover and engage with other diehard fans online), I decided to check out where ousted General Hospital star Rebecca Herbst (Liz) fell in the magazine polls for their Feb 1, 2011 issues. Now remember these polls came out before the announcement that the 13-year GH veteran and new mommy had been unceremoniously fired for "storyline-dictated" reasons.

According to this week’s Soap Opera Digest poll, Herbst was selected GH’s Favorite Actress. Yep, that’s right, enough Port Charles lovers logged onto  www.soapoperadigest.com/polls to select underdog Herbst as their fave. Oh, it doesn’t stop there, Wanna know who Digest readers selected their fave couple? Jason and Elizabeth, aka Liason, won that honor and they haven’t been together in a dog’s age. Imagine that.


Moving over to this week’s ABC Soaps In Depth where Herbst was selected Number Two among ABC’s Top 5 actresses for the week. She was immediately behind fellow GH star Kelly Monaco, yet ahead of superstar Vanessa Marcil Giovinazzo

A quick glance at SID’s couples poll and Liason was Number 2, just behind JaSam at Number 1. Now I ain’t never proposed to be a statistician, but it would stand to reason the Liason vs. JaSam triangle is still the hottest thing GH has going long after it was ripped apart, allegedly because of network-level meddling. I’m sure glad the exec in question wasn’t around to get his hands on Rachel/Steve/Alice at Another World. #YouHaveNoEffinInstinctsRetireAlready

You know, I started this week off wanting desperately to be positive about something concerning daytime soaps, which is why I wrote a piece raving about Jamie Luner‘s recent, inspired performances on All My Children. After the last few days, however I’m reminded just how clueless and self-destructive the people running this industry into the ground really are.

As popular as they have to know  Herbst is—whether they want to admit it or not—how can they even contemplate killing her character off? It’s insanity, complete and utter insanity, but really it’s nothing new for this regime, is it? GH executive soap opera slayer Jill Farren Phelps has made an arrogant sport of killing off soap’s most beloved heroines, from Maureen Bauer on Guiding Light to Frankie Frame on Another World. What’s one more in Liz Webber?

Then there’s head writer Bob Guza. While I’ve been a fan since the days of "Clink, Boom", the fact that he picked off the Quartermaine family one-by-one disgusts me to no end. Guza’s narrow vision for this soap has helped erode viewers and frustrate fans for years now. I can no longer place all the blame on his former writing partner Chuck Pratt, or even ABC Daytime exec Brian Frons

Yes, my sources told me Frons was the person who wanted the Liason pairing axed, but it was Guza who couldn’t manage to come up with a decent story for Liz post the breakup with Jason, yet he gets paid in the neighborhood of $30,000 a week, reportedly. 

Sorry Bobby, as of this "fans be damned" stunt, I’m done being your apologist. Oh, and when you get through killing off all the characters we love, leaving the show a dismal shell of itself— just like they did at AW, GL and ATWT years before we ever heard the phrases "subprime lending" or "automobile industry bailout"—and General Hospital is cancelled, I will be right here to point out why it happened, and I won’t use the phrase "the economy" not even once. 

 

109 Responses

  1. Avatar of JaSamLover
    JaSamLover

    I feel as though I should comment just b/c my username is mentioned ….

    But – I just came to this site, to check in on soap news as I do every few days, and I am shocked about this! And I’m actually kind of sad. I hate Elizabeth with a red hot fiery passion, but damn. And as much as I hate Liz, I love Becky.

    Who will I direct my all consuming ire at now?

  2. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    Standing up and cheering this post. Jamey sing it from the rafters!!! You said it perfectly, and called out these incredible inept fools for their stupidity.

    I still can’t come to terms with this firing. I find myself praying for this show to be canceled. I know this is not nice…but I can’t help it. The show won’t be the same for me minus Elizabeth, and I will probably no longer watch it. I think I may check in from time to time, read Perkies posts…but I have lost all interest in this show. There is no longer have any characters I love left on this show, and the story lines are extremely boring and unimaginative. This is coming from a fan that cried when Luke and Laura were married.

    All I know is if they kill off Elizabeth, instead of letting her leave town… they will really be sentencing this show.

  3. Avatar of melanie
    melanie

    [quote=giogio]OK GUYS – here we go again. Just when we calm down another article comes out about the discusting crapola going on at GH – We are mad mad mad.[/quote]

    As I no longer have anything left to watch on GH, I am so happy to have DC’s continuous stream of angry posts to distract me. Yes, we are mad, mad, mad.

  4. Avatar of melanie
    melanie

    [quote=giogio]OK GUYS – here we go again. Just when we calm down another article comes out about the discusting crapola going on at GH – We are mad mad mad.[/quote]

    As I no longer have anything left to watch on GH, I am so happy to have DC’s continuous stream of angry posts to distract me. Yes, we are mad, mad, mad.

  5. Avatar of jpp1975
    jpp1975

    One of Jamey’s best points that he’s made over the years is that a Liz-Jason-Sam triangle could have powered GH for DECADES. Every true supercouple has serious rivals–John/Marlena had Roman, Luke/Laura had Scotty & Stefan, even Cruz/Eden had Robert Barr–some old love that was actually a viable threat to the supercouple. I think even JaSammers would have to agree that without Liz, there’s no tension left for their couple. No viable romantic challenge. Same goes for Lucky/Siobhan and Brooklyn/Nik. She was a source of tension for all those couples–and now what?

  6. Avatar of jlafferty23
    jlafferty23

    I get the Liz fans are angry. Rightfully so.. Becky has been on the show for 13 years and there was alot of story potential.

    But Jamey, it kind of seems that you are pissed at GH because one of your favs is getting screwed over, because in all of the podcasts (even with Larry Flick) you mentioned that, Yes it sucks that Guza has killed off the Q’s but the Q’s weren’t the original family on the show anyways.

    You’ve also said that GH has never really been about the Hospital…

    But now your pissed about the Q’s dying?

    I’m not trying to be rude. I think it’s great that your voicing your opinion. I’m just confused I guess..

  7. Avatar of doodleynoodle
    doodleynoodle

    I agree Melanie!

    Today, instead of soaps, I had a West Wing marathon. Thank you, Netflix. You and I are gonna be seing a lot of each other from now on…

    BTW…mad doesn’t begin to describe it. DONE would be a more appropriate word.

    But I still love my DC peeps! ROCK ON!

  8. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    Right on Jamey!

    I’m one of those Becky and Liason fans that vote the soap opera polls once a week, write letters to TPTB, and even call the comment line for GH and OLTL. Why doesn’t Liz have a story line? JMO….Liz should be the one working with Michael instead of Abby, because she is a rape survivor. I would have loved to have seen Liz’s rapist being released from prison while she’s working with Michael. Liz is an artist, why not have her accidentally stumble upon a stolen art ring? How about Liz/Robin working together to bring down Lisa? What about Liz uncovering a counterfeight drug ring deep in the bowels of the hospital? How about Liz/Robin discovering that someone was experimenting on dead bodies in the morgue? What about Liz chucking her nurses career to become an artist?

    I don’t make $30,000 a week, but even I can come up with story ideas for a legacy character based on her history on the show.

  9. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Jamey, I guess the question I have is whether or not GH is the show looking at a 50% cut. I was trying to ballpark that math both for GH and for AMC. I still wholly believe its AMC, but that GH is getting pressure re: its budget as well.

    The reason I ask is that IF its GH thats looking at the 50%, I kind of think both RH AND VMG will leave and, I will go further, I think had VMG brought the ratings, RH would still be going, but she would be going WITH Kelly Monaco and VMG would be staying. I think KeMo fans got lucky that VMG tanked because while VMG still has a sizeable fan base, its not what it once was (based on what I see on the GH FB page) and if she was specifically brought in FOR sonny and that pairing isnt working, then her character makes no sense since she has no ties to the canvas. I think Kelly also got lucky in that I am sure she is way less expensive than VMG. IF its GH looking at the dramatic budget cuts, then I have to believe herbst is only the first of many that will be shown the door. I could imagine seeing some newbies going, but firing newbies isnt going to get you to 50% – 50% means major characters being let go and across the board budget cuts (including Guza) If its IS Gh then I think everyone outside of LW, MB, SBu, Kelly (and I say Kelly only assuming that they arent going to cut her, Becky and Vanessa all at the same time) Robin and Patrick (because they are popular and drive the hospital storylines) and DZ (because he is popular and probably dirt cheap) could potentially be on the chopping block.

  10. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    I get the Liz fans are angry. Rightfully so.. Becky has been on the show for 13 years and there was alot of story potential.
    —————
    When GH killed off A.J., Alan, Justis, Emily and Georgie, I wrote, called and emailed TPTB multiple times. Heck, my hand writing is atrocious, but I still put pen to paper and wrote several letters to GH. I’m doing the exact same thing for RH.

  11. Avatar of jlafferty23
    jlafferty23

    Listen, I have been watching GH since the late 80′s. I agree that this soap needs a revamp, and needs fresh ideas. But I dont blame Guza, I really don’t. Because if you look at all the ABC soaps, you can just tell Frons is screwing with all of them…

  12. Avatar of ConqueringBlue
    ConqueringBlue

    So is there definitely a rumor going around that she’ll be killed off? I started to speculate about that right after I heard she was being “let go” and then when ABC put out that statement about “big story” coming up, alluding to it being “can’t miss” TV, which usually, in Frons land, means that SOMEONE WILL DIE.

    I don’t really understand why Guza can’t write huge controversial triangles. It’s like, in order to prop one couple, he has to destroy the odd man out. He destroyed Sam, when he had Jason sleep with Liz, then he spent years destroying Elizabeth. Why not write a really strong triangle, ala the days of Sonny, Brenda and Jax? That triangle was so hot it was on all the magazine covers for ages, and fans were glued to the TV. You’d think all of these magazine polls, and the online debates over this triangle (even though it hasn’t been a real “triangle” in years now) would’ve given TPTB a clue – hey, maybe if we focus on this triangle, bring it to front burner and write good material for both sides, more people will watch and get passionate about it?

    I just don’t understand. I’ve read a few places that Frons had a personal dislike of RH and wanted her gone. Don’t know if that is definitely true, or if Guza just didn’t know what to do with Liz. It seems like he tried to put her into a controversial, hot triangle with Nik and Lucky, but she and Nik never caught on, and most people were dismayed that she was sleeping with Lucky’s brother, while accepting Lucky’s marriage proposal. After that, it felt like Guza just kept on and on with ruining Elizabeth, until, I admit it, I just couldn’t really stand her. And I know that it is probably an agenda. Just like how Guza destroyed Kate to try to create a Sonny/Carly #1 redeux with Sonny and Claudia. When that didn’t work, he tried to push Sonny toward Olivia. In the meantime, MW’s character became a ridiculous caricature of her former self, and now look where Kate is. NO WHERE. I get so weary of Guza and his agendas, like trying to push Dante/Brenda on me when their “secret” has all but ruined Dante, in my eyes. When will it ever end?

  13. Avatar of jlafferty23
    jlafferty23

    Frons made it clear he hated Liason, and “apparently” told Guza to axe that couple (I don’t support the man, but God Bless him for that LOL)…

    Is it really that far fetched that Frons was pulling the strings telling Guza not to write for Liz?? I mean come on…

    How do we know what really goes on behind the scenes? From what I hear, Frons dictates all the stories on GH (that is just a rumor of coarse)…

  14. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    Agreed, GHFan777. Applause all around, Jamey.

    And, Liason4real, someone called into Stardish Radio last night, on blogtalk, saying the exact same thing about Michael, Liz, and her rapist possibly getting out of prison, and I find more and more fans having that same idea. She could have put out some true Emmy worthy material if they would have just given her the material and the chance she deserved! THAT was a story right there, PIC’s. Right underneath your noses.

    Other’s have said she may go suddenly crazy because all the men in her life have secure relationships (I kid you not :sick: !), which I am DEFINITELY not willing to watch. But the most popular theory is that she will kill her off. If they do such a thing, you know what my biggest fear is??? You know the 100th episode of Criminal Minds when Hotchner’s ex-wife was sought out by the Grim Reaper because he wanted revenge on Hotch??? Remember how she went out? If not, here’s a devastating clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ1P4Sjv1qk&feature=related

    I cry just watching the rerun on A&E. THAT was storyline dictated and I fear them pulling the same B.S. here. People keep tossing around Franco’s name, since he’s returning and I honestly don’t put it above this regime to do such a thing. I mean, he returns at the end of February, she’s out in March??? I’ve heard that he’s only supposed to be back for two episodes, but is there a chance they will extend his stay for this? The ‘not-to-miss’ B.S. we keep hearing about??? IMO, and this is just my opinion here folks, Franco is their Grim Reaper and Jason is their version of Hotchner in all of this. And Liz is the mother of his child. There had been rumors of Jake somehow being involved instead of Aiden this time. I wouldn’t put any of this shiz past GH. Not only would it rip out the hearts of beloved Liz fans, but it’s just brutal all around, considering the way she’s been written for years now and the way they have her going out as an actress. SMDH. Doodleynoodle is right. I’m WAY past mad. DONE is more appropriate for me at this point.

    And someone mentioned the other day that she was on DOOL first. She played Dana Winthrop in ‘96.

  15. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    Is it really that far fetched that Frons was pulling the strings telling Guza not to write for Liz?? I mean come on…
    ===================
    If you believe the stories, Frons nixed story after story for Erika Slezak which is really stupid.

    So, yes, I have no doubt at all that Frons said no story for RH which gave him the means to fire the actress.

  16. Avatar of jlafferty23
    jlafferty23

    liason4real

    THANK YOU.

    I may not be a fan of Liason or Liz for that matter
    But I do love LnL2, I do love Becky and there is no doubt in my mind that this is all Frons. He tells Guza what write, and he is the one that fired Becky.

  17. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    GHfan-4now…Yes, I was listening to Stardish last night, and the caller’s were spot on with Liz helping Michael.

    I keep hearing the rumors that Liz is going to die and do all kinds of crazy shizz between now and March. I won’t be watching GH kill off my Lizzie girl.

  18. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Jlaff..I gotta disagree a bit here. Frons screwed with AMC only by moving it and I think he truly thought that he was saving the show…looking at this SOLELY from a business perspective ratings = how much you can charge for advertizing, but you also have to figure costs into that equation to determine how much PROFIT each show makes. IF OLTL and AMC earn equivalent ratings and OLTL costs 75% of what it costs to make AMC then OLTL is more profitable. Thats what Fron’s bosses care about. Character integrity, writing, production values etc. – they dont care spit about that EXCEPT as it pertains to ratings. From what it seemed to me, OLTL was the show they wanted to axe, and moving AMC to LA was SUPPOSE to lower thos production costs, thus increasing the shows profits. The move COULD have worked, even with the loss of Zach and Adam, and would have worked had they had the right head writers. Frons screwed up by picking the WRONG head writers, but that doesnt absolve (I cant remember their names but the guys from GL) for messing up the show. When Broderick was writing, I was actually enjoying a lot on my screen and even with Rylee ordered back together, I COULD have tolerated them much better if the story had been stronger.

    Meanwhile Frons screwed with OLTL and look at how that effected the show. At first it was a mess because RC allowed Frons dictates to throw him off his game. Thats when the Morascos were eating the show alive, but so much of what was written was a mess. Stacy COULD have been on as much as Frons wanted without the show being a disaster. Its clear to me that at some point RC and his team came up with a better strategy for dealing with Frons meddling and we are now seeing a much stronger show. Either a. RC found a way to get Frons to stop interfering or they b. found a way to work around the meddling.

    Then you get to GH – If AMC’s problems stem mostly from having the wrong writers and OLTLs success comes from having a head writer who successfully manages Frons’ interference, how can we then give Guza a total pass?? I am SURE frons involves himself in the show (and isnt that part of his job?) but I cant imagine that he told Guza to write Brenda for an entire month in Rome interacting almost predominately with two characters which have no history with the audience while they discussed almost exclusively 3 characters again that we have no history with (cartulo, alexander and the balkan) if frons told me I had to pen a story for brenda where a. she was being menaced by someone powerful b. I had to have brenda on 4 days a week and c. I had to work Sonny, Jason and Dante into the story at some point in major roles and d. Carly had to be jealous, I DEFINATELY could have come up with something that didnt isolate brenda, didnt turn dante in to a total hypocrite re: Michael and Lulu, didnt stomp all over the history of Brenda etc. etc. That part of the mess falls totally on Guza.

  19. Avatar of giogio
    giogio

    Everyone is right on these posts – does anyone know if the people we are directing our anger at read comments? They should. It would give them a heads up to stop acting like fools.

  20. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    jlafferty23,,,YW.
    =========
    I am NOT a JaSam fan, but I did like Sam when she was full of revenge against Liz/Jason, and when she was with GV’s Lucky. LuSam was smoking hot and it was the first time that I actually liked Lucky, because Sam liked Lucky.

  21. Avatar of jlafferty23
    jlafferty23

    EET..

    I just dont agree. I truly believe it is all Frons
    Do I think Guza has his little “obsession” with Dante, Brenda, Sonny, and Jason. Yes I do. But I also think Frons does as well.

    Frons doesn’t have love for daytime, on the other hand, I think Guza does.

    Fire Frons, get a new head of daytime. Keep Guza, and see if GH changes. I bet it would.

  22. Avatar of jlafferty23
    jlafferty23

    liason4real

    Yeah as a Sam fan, I must admit, I hated those times. I felt like the writers were throwing Sam under the bus, much like what is going on with Liz right now.

  23. Avatar of SC
    SC

    Thank you Mr. Giddens for a superb write up. Your voice is speaking for a lot of fans/former fans right now and I greatly appreciate it. I made General Hospital a part of my day for many years. This latest development, the firing of Rebecca Herbst and her beloved character Elizabeth Webber is a prime example of what is wrong with soaps these days. If the genre comes to an end it is not because we, the viewers, gave up on our favorite stories but because the shows failed us. Honoring history and characterizations. Writing organic stories instead of plot points and stunts that result in nothing. Family, friends, loves. These should be the focus and instead are deemed unimportant and disregarded by TPTB. Not only that, they top it off with inconceivable dismissals, like Ms. Herbst’s, ushering out long time fan favorites the audience is invested in. The regime at GH in particular have no respect for the genre and have no business running the show. Why are they still in charge when all they manage to do is run off viewers time after time… until there will be none left?? I for one won’t spend another moment watching.

  24. Avatar of coolblue
    coolblue

    Jamey, thanks for this article. I do not understand how ABC can discount online fans who vote in the magazine polls but they put up weekly polls about each one of their daytime dramas. It makes absolutely no sense.

    If GH is going through budget cuts then firing Rebecca Herbst is not the smart move. She has been loyal to GH/ABC and liked the stability of working on the soap. There was never any fear that she would jump ship during pilot season. She also loved her character and her castmates. I have seen several actors/actresses “sleepwalk” through stories on GH but RH was not one of them. RH remained a professional even with the terrible writing for Elizabeth during the past two years. If budget cuts are because of low ratings among other things then why write off such a popular character? It makes no sense.

  25. Avatar of ChloeLiz
    ChloeLiz

    This week soap fans have been put through the grinder with all the crap that has been happening and now we find out that the polls had her at the top of the list. So my question is why would you want to mess with the formula that is working for a formula that will blow up in your faces. Literally.

    How hard was it to write her a decent S/L…. no you had to totally destroy her character and now have the audacity to say that it is ‘storyline dictated’ which means. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO WRITE NEXT SO WE’LL JUST FIRE HER AND THAT’S THE END OF OUR PROBLEM.

    The TPTB better beware because they have bitten off more than they can chew!!!

  26. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Jlaff – let me clarify having read your comments that went up while I was posting…

    Are you saying you think Frons tells Guza all the beats to play

    or

    Do you think Frons says I want to see this concept and that concept and the other concept played out.

    And heres another question…reading the frons vetoed story after story for viki on OLTL…doesnt that presume that the Head Writer has to give Frons the story and then Frons only green lights it, amends it or nixes it. If we dont know what stories Guza submitted to frons for liz, for vanessa, for JaSam etc., then how can we put ALL the blame on Frons and absolve guza.

    Going back to my VMG storyline, do you think Guza wrote a really good brenda/balkan story and frons sent it back to him saying, lets leave her in rome longer, oh and we dont have enough characters talking about brenda by name, and wow you have dante in love with brenda, but why not have him covering up her crime. Plus you just have to start making these names all sound alike so that the audience is REALLY confused, because confusion = hirer ratings. I just dont by that.

    Re: Liz and Michael – I think that has good potential IF they hadnt wanted to make franco a part of it. Rape is about violence, and if Liz’s rapist was in jail, its not unreasonable to think he has raped men in jail nor unless he is out (and I am not sure how they penned that) but if he is still in jail he would have been in pentonville. The only way I see Liz relevant to the Michael story is if her rapist and michaels rapist had been one and the same. Right now no one knows that michael had been raped, and given that michael has ZERO relationship with Liz, it would make little sense for her to be the one he confides in. Plus, if CD is someone they consider to be a rising star, they need to add to his age range if they want to give him viable story going forward. Michael cant date his sister so who would his romantic interest be, post the prison story fallout?

    Coming up with storylines – I also have to wonder – kind of assumes that storyline dictated actually means if she had story she would still be there. I dont agree with that, as I think this is mostly about budget cutting.

    JS awhile back suggested autism as a storyline for Liz – to have one of the kids become autistic. If they were going to write becky out for budget purposes, that would have made a great exit story. If they are writing her out for lack of storyline ideas, that would have made a great story. The fact is most states dont require insurance policies to cover autism. What that means is that even if you have money to pay for care out of pocket, a lot of times its near impossible to find someone that provides the therapy and other services you need because they cant sustain a practice where so few people can afford the services. So for example MI has a very very small number of people working with autistic children whereas WI (I think its WI) where autism is covered by insurance policies a NUMBER of specialists have opened practices – I think I read something like 10 times as many providers. They could have had Liz dealing with Jake or aiden becoming increasingly unresponsive and done a story where at first she tries to cope and then eventually makes the choice to move to a state where there are more caregivers. Since Lucky is alienated from Aiden, I could see Liz saying to him in an emotional fairwell that she cant bear to be around Lucky if they arent going to be a couple and if he cant or wont act as father to Aiden, and she has enough on her plate without him being around and making it harder on her emotionally. I could see Nik being unable to move because of Cassadine industries and I could see the tearful scene between him and Liz where he tells Liz he is torn between his feelings for brooke and liz, but he is also not sure if he leaves with her whether he could accept being father to 4 children. Liz tearfully tells him unless he can accept all of her children and unless he is fully committed to the autistic childs treatment, she doesnt need him around either. Then she goes to see Jason. He thinks she is there to discuss visitation with jake now that he has a new daughter on the way. He knows one of the boys is autistic but he wants to step up. She tearfully tells him that the afflicted son needs more than She, Jason and or Lucky can give him, that he needs the specialists only available in California or wherever. Jason says he is torn, he wants to be there for Liz and ber boys but if he leaves he puts Sam and his new daughter alana at greater risk because the mob might come after him for trying to leave, and he would have to ask Sam to leave her family and expose their miracle baby to risk, and he couldnt ask her to do that. Plus he has obligations to michael. Liz tells him she knew he couldnt go, that he couldnt risk his daughter when there is not much he can do for Jake at this point anyway. She could tell him she is content leaving him here, knowing he is with his soulmate sam and that he finally has a child to love and raise from birth, to which he responds yes, but that doesnt mean that my feelings for you and desire to be with our son wasnt real. They can talk about the road not taken, and he can set her up with a nanny and a new trust fund. Heck if they want to have Jake with Jason – if thats the goal – they could make aiden the child thats sick (they could do it after vaccination, which is a whole nother aspect of this issue) and have Liz tell him that cam is older and will be in kindergarten, so she can manage him, but she doesnt think she can also manage Jake too given his age. She knows the deal was that Lucky was going to father Jake, but that was based on the idea that she was going to have primary physical custody, so she wants to know whether Jason will support Jake going to live with Lucky. Jason discusses it with Sam and says no, Jake should be with me – or maybe he lets Lucky have him at first and then decides to claim him a year later, leading to a tiffany vs. bobbie kind of custody battle. If they kill liz, then the writers have the tricky issue of what to do with the children. I dont want to see siobhan raising the three boys. Plus if they want to do a custody battle over aiden, again that gives liz the out, she has to focus on Jake because Jake is sick, and she needs nik to step up and parent aiden. Nik then finds out aiden is Lucky’s from helena and that puts him in an almost Jax/Spencer kind of situation.

  27. Avatar of SoapFan75
    SoapFan75

    I absolutely believe this was a Fronsie/Guza decision. They are both clueless and I hope it is GH that will take the 50 percent cut. I disagree though that they do not notice the polls. This is their way of finally trying to turn the votes towards JaSam. Good luck with that.

  28. Avatar of Kelly8970
    Kelly8970

    Awesome! And FYI: Becky, Steve and LIASON have swept every issue of SOD in 2010. But why should TPTB listen to the fans when they have focus groups, random peeps who may or may not know character history. But what do I know. I’m just a 20 year GH viewer who as of Tuesday no longer watches.

  29. Avatar of keanna
    keanna

    As always Jamey, TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!!!!!

    It’s definite that Frons has HIS own agenda for how the soaps should be, and it is not working.Going by focus groups containing people who some may have NEVER seen a soap in their lives. Also, the fact that he doesn’t go by polls (print and online), listen to great soaps sites like this one, and what the actors are told at fan events show that he is completely misguided and he needs to be FIRED.

    GH should clean house get rid of Frons, Phelps, and Guza, get people who care and know the history of GH, and all soaps for that matter, if not we will have mostly game shows and talk shows sooner rather than later.

  30. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Jlaff…one more thing…given your frons is obsessed with dante brenda sonny and Jason and thats why the show is a mess, not guza…Ill give you one change to the balkan storyline, ONE major change that still would have been all about dante brenda and SaSon but made it 100% better…

    We lost MW as a leading lady type character, so if they were going to write her off ANYWAY why not make Alexander the Balkans cousin and make KATE the Balkan? Kate arranges to get Brenda to London, Suzanne contacts Jason because the Balkan has been after Brenda, he is her ex husband and they are coming to port charles for a fashion shoot for Crimson and she doesnt think they can protect Brenda in the US the same way they do in Rome. Brenda spends one scene with her current boyfriend Murphy saying I want to love you but I cant, I still have an ex in my heart Ive never forgotten and going back to pc has stirred up those feelings (1 scene vs. 1 month – plus that leaves us with the suspense of whether Brenda’s one man is Sonny or Jax hmmmm) Suzanne and Brenda head to PC. Suzanne could be an ex lover or former associate of Trevor Lansing’s that Kate knows and Kate sent her there years ago when she found out Sonny’s ex was dating her beloved cousin. The rest of the story stays almost totally the same. We find out eventually that when trevor died he sent his beloved Katie a letter detailing the fact that he had his own criminal organization in Europe where he was known as the Balkan and he is now leaving that organization to her, to continue to run as the Balkan.

    Same story, now populated with more characters we care about, with less time spent in rome, and will the cost SAVINGS between what they are paying DB and what they could have paid MW. Plus Sonny kills the DB’s Balkan to save Brenda….who CARES?? Sonny goes after bad guys all the time. Could Sonny in a big show down really KILL KATE, esp. if he finds out brenda has been lying to her. Could he turn kate in? That certainly to me ups the ante.

  31. Avatar of bklyn729
    bklyn729

    Thanks Jamey, this article is spot on! ABCD slow death rests solely on the shoulders of Frons. GH won’t be on the air much longer because Guza/Phelps/Frons haven’t the slightest idea what the majority of viewers want to see on their screens. Currently, Their vision for GH has proven to be a ratings failure. I’m so tired of everyone blaming VMG for tanking the ratings when they were already in toilet prior to her coming aboard the show. Nothing they have done thus far like stunt casting, big sweep events, big explosions, death, mayhem, & Lame shootout adventures have helped to improve them either. This show hasn’t been good since the Metro Court and it probably won’t improve under the current regime of Frons/Guza/Phelps. RH firing will hurt them more than they realized because her fans are outraged & more of them will walk away from the show once RH’s last scene airs. Now, all that’s left for me & others to do is to sit back & watch this once great soap sink further into oblivion!

  32. Avatar of mr.sam mccall1
    mr.sam mccall1

    [quote=SoapFan75]I absolutely believe this was a Fronsie/Guza decision. They are both clueless and I hope it is GH that will take the 50 percent cut. I disagree though that they do not notice the polls. This is their way of finally trying to turn the votes towards JaSam. Good luck with that.[/quote]

    Turn votes to JaSam WHATEVER cause we all know that JaSam never won those same polls Jamey is talking about above. Hell even Steve Burton said that.

  33. Avatar of Saher89
    Saher89

    [quote=GHfan-4now]Agreed, GHFan777. Applause all around, Jamey.
    And, Liason4real, someone called into Stardish Radio last night, on blogtalk, saying the exact same thing about Michael, Liz, and her rapist possibly getting out of prison, and I find more and more fans having that same idea. She could have put out some true Emmy worthy material if they would have just given her the material and the chance she deserved! THAT was a story right there, PIC’s. Right underneath your noses.
    Other’s have said she may go suddenly crazy because all the men in her life have secure relationships (I kid you not :sick: !), which I am DEFINITELY not willing to watch. But the most popular theory is that she will kill her off. If they do such a thing, you know what my biggest fear is??? You know the 100th episode of Criminal Minds when Hotchner’s ex-wife was sought out by the Grim Reaper because he wanted revenge on Hotch??? Remember how she went out? If not, here’s a devastating clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ1P4Sjv1qk&feature=related
    I cry just watching the rerun on A&E. THAT was storyline dictated and I fear them pulling the same B.S. here. People keep tossing around Franco’s name, since he’s returning and I honestly don’t put it above this regime to do such a thing. I mean, he returns at the end of February, she’s out in March??? I’ve heard that he’s only supposed to be back for two episodes, but is there a chance they will extend his stay for this? The ‘not-to-miss’ B.S. we keep hearing about??? IMO, and this is just my opinion here folks, Franco is their Grim Reaper and Jason is their version of Hotchner in all of this. And Liz is the mother of his child. There had been rumors of Jake somehow being involved instead of Aiden this time. I wouldn’t put any of this shiz past GH. Not only would it rip out the hearts of beloved Liz fans, but it’s just brutal all around, considering the way she’s been written for years now and the way they have her going out as an actress. SMDH. Doodleynoodle is right. I’m WAY past mad. DONE is more appropriate for me at this point.
    And someone mentioned the other day that she was on DOOL first. She played Dana Winthrop in ‘96.[/quote]

    if they do that to her, just like hotchner’s ex-wife on criminal minds, they better start barring their damn doors, because i will come after them with pitchforks!!
    why do they have to do this to a legacy character, huh?!?! their ratings are going down the toilet, i’m so glad i was done the moment i heard of becky’s news, imo. As i can’t sit through my fav. going through this.

  34. Avatar of gjr1969
    gjr1969

    What irks me is that going on maternity leave is a real risk for many soap opera actresses. Becky never got anything resembling real story when she got back.
    Meanwhile, there are whole swathes of the show doing nothing – Ethan? Matt? Mack? Nic? Brooklyn? Even Christina. The Spinelli bit has gotten so tiring – yeah, he uses big words most of the rest of the cast do not, we get the bit. Maxie is basically there for comic relief. The Q’s are not existant except the occasional Luke/Tracy fight.

    I don’t know if the whole Becky firing is due to budget cuts or because she was painted into a corner story-wise. They seem to be pushing for Lucky/Siobhan. She didn’t work with Nic. There is not much more to go here except that Lucky finds out the kid is his, in which case the drama will be between the 2 brothers. They have made no effort to find her someone else and she is just jealous of Brooklyn and his mind-blowingly dull relationship with Nic. They also are clearly doing nothing with JaSam, have little for Sam to do anyway, so Becky wouldn’t fit in that triangle either. I agree there would be numerous stories that COULD be created for her – but that comes AFTER they have to write in Sonny/Brenda/Jason/Dante, then Carly/Jax/Michael/Lulu then say Scrubs/ Lucky Siobhan – all of these have priority, so there is not much time left. If we could have even 1 month where they did not feature Sonny/Brenda/Jason/Dante for 1 month, maybe actors like Becky could have more of a chance.

  35. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    I’ve never given Guza a pass for killing off the Q’s. I am a fan of that family, however I cut him slack because all soaps, save for Y&R have pretty much done the same in dismantling wildly popular 80′s families. and yes, the Q’s weren’t an original family for this soap. I never said they should have been pushed aside because of this, but the word "core" gets bandied about a lot about them, and I was simply distinguishing that point. Liz and Steve are "core" as Steve Hardy’s grandchildren, because Steve was the show’s first protagonist. That doesn’t mean I don’t consider the Q’s just as integral, I have just made the point that writers phase families in and out all the time. Bill Bell got rid of the Fosters and the Brooks on Y&R, save for one or two members and brought on the Abbotts, Williams and Newmans in the 80′s and the show never missed a beat. As long as soaps give us stories, characters that are equally engaging, I am usually okay, especially since usually a new writer comes along and restores the former family. I loved the Reeds on DAYS, even though their airtime took away from the Bradys and Hortons.

     What I’ve said since joing DC was at the very least, the current day of GH is made up of the kids and grandkids of those popular people, which was better than we get on a lot of soaps. Plus I have enjoyed many couples/stories on GH in recent years, Liason, Skate, Spixie, etc. that helped me get over the "glory days". That’s why I was able to sort of turn a blind eye. I judged GH based on the current state of soaps, and I still maintain day-to-day, it has the best dialogue and acting, that being said, they are just like the P&G soaps in thoroughly disregarding their fans. I am not talking about couples right now. Couples break up all the time, but on GH, when popular couples are split up, the half Frons doesn’t care about is marginalized, then pushed out, Kate (Megan Ward), anyone? Look at Spinelli. This time last year he was a fully realized character with a love life. Now, he’s back to being a goofy sidekick, yet Bradford Anderson is one of the best young actors of his generation in soaps. More and more these people keep proving their instincts have played out.

  36. Avatar of got2luvmel
    got2luvmel

    [quote=melanie]As I no longer have anything left to watch on GH, I am so happy to have DC’s continuous stream of angry posts to distract me. Yes, we are mad, mad, mad.[/quote]

    ICAM with this, more angry posts please!

  37. Avatar of ghjmfan
    ghjmfan

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]


    Since numerous insiders have told me the dying industry we love pays absolutely no attention to us pesky "online fans" (Yeah, because a paid focus group attendee provides such a better barometer than someone who takes the time to name themself Liason69 or JaSamlover and engage with other diehard fans online), I decided to check out where ousted General Hospital star Rebecca Herbst (Liz) fell in the magazine polls for their Feb 1, 2011 issues. Now remember these polls came out before the announcement that the 13-year GH veteran and new mommy had been unceremoniously fired for "storyline-dictated" reasons.

    According to this week’s Soap Opera Digest poll, Herbst was selected GH’s Favorite Actress. Yep, that’s right, enough Port Charles lovers logged onto  http://www.soapoperadigest.com/polls to select underdog Herbst as their fave. Oh, it doesn’t stop there, Wanna know who Digest readers selected their fave couple? Jason and Elizabeth, aka Liason, won that honor and they haven’t been together in a dog’s age. Imagine that.


    Moving over to this week’s ABC Soaps In Depth where Herbst was selected Number Two among ABC’s Top 5 actresses for the week. She was immediately behind fellow GH star Kelly Monaco, yet ahead of superstar Vanessa Marcil Giovinazzo

    A quick glance at SID’s couples poll and Liason was Number 2, just behind JaSam at Number 1. Now I ain’t never proposed to be a statistician, but it would stand to reason the Liason vs. JaSam triangle is still the hottest thing GH has going long after it was ripped apart, allegedly because of network-level meddling. I’m sure glad the exec in question wasn’t around to get his hands on Rachel/Steve/Alice at Another World. #YouHaveNoEffinInstinctsRetireAlready

    You know, I started this week off wanting desperately to be positive about something concerning daytime soaps, which is why I wrote a piece raving about Jamie Luner‘s recent, inspired performances on All My Children. After the last few days, however I’m reminded just how clueless and self-destructive the people running this industry into the ground really are.

    As popular as they have to know  Herbst is—whether they want to admit it or not—how can they even contemplate killing her character off? It’s insanity, complete and utter insanity, but really it’s nothing new for this regime, is it? GH executive soap opera slayer Jill Farren Phelps has made an arrogant sport of killing off soap’s most beloved heroines, from Maureen Bauer on Guiding Light to Frankie Frame on Another World. What’s one more in Liz Webber?

    Then there’s head writer Bob Guza. While I’ve been a fan since the days of "Clink, Boom", the fact that he picked off the Quartermaine family one-by-one disgusts me to no end. Guza’s narrow vision for this soap has helped erode viewers and frustrate fans for years now. I can no longer place all the blame on his former writing partner Chuck Pratt, or even ABC Daytime exec Brian Frons

    Yes, my sources told me Frons was the person who wanted the Liason pairing axed, but it was Guza who couldn’t manage to come up with a decent story for Liz post the breakup with Jason, yet he gets paid in the neighborhood of $30,000 a week, reportedly. 

    Sorry Bobby, as of this "fans be damned" stunt, I’m done being your apologist. Oh, and when you get through killing off all the characters we love, leaving the show a dismal shell of itself— just like they did at AW, GL and ATWT years before we ever heard the phrases "subprime lending" or "automobile industry bailout"—and General Hospital is cancelled, I will be right here to point out why it happened, and I won’t use the phrase "the economy" not even once. 

     

    [/quote]

  38. Avatar of megana
    megana

    Could not agree more with Jamey and all of the comments.

    That is the way that I feel, I just don’t feel like watching anymore. I don’t even want to watch Liz’s last few weeks. The idea that they might try to kill her off for this Franco mess no less, it just seems unbelievably cruel and unnecessar–not unlike killing Dixie off on AMC with poisoned pancakes. If they are going to write Liz off the canvass, it shouldn’t be forever and it should be respectful. There is something so strangely vengeful in the way that they are treating her character. The funny thing is, though, that rather than alienating her fans I think they have grown her fanbase. I have never seen so many different fanbases unite over a character’s firing, at least on this show. Perhaps Marlena and John on DOOL.

    I do believe that the outrage is partly coming from growing disillusionment in general with how Frons and Guza treat the fan favourites. As Jamie says, killing off the Quartermaines just seems so narcissicistic on the part of Guza. They didn’t fit his vision of the show. And apparently Liz doesn’t as well.

    I haven’t been able to watch the show since the news broke, and I think this time I really won’t tune back in. OLTL is giving me more of what I want these days as a soap fan.

  39. Avatar of ghjmfan
    ghjmfan

    Here are the addresses – write them and let them know how much we love Becky and want her to stay on the show…

    Nothing better than to overload them with letters!

    Brian Frons
    c/o ABC – TV
    2300 Riverside Dr
    Burbank CA 91506

    and

    Bob Guza
    c/o General Hospital
    4151 Prospect Ave
    Hollywood CA 90027

  40. Avatar of I♥GH
    I♥GH

    Fantastic article and I totally agree. GH are IDIOTS for killing off the Quartermaines and firing the massively popular Rebecca Herbst. As much as I used to love GH, they deserve to be cancelled for their stupidity.

    ALL of Elizabeth’s pairings were very popular and successful. That is rare, and it is because of the amazing chemistry Rebecca has with all her co-stars. She had endless potential for storylines and romantic pairings, but since she’s not a mob hitman they didn’t write for her.

    I know a much smarter soap or primetime show is going to hire Becky and benefit from her talent and her huge and extremely loyal fanbase.

  41. Avatar of Cyberologist
    Cyberologist

    I agree,,,

    and believe and always have especially when Greg Vaughn was ousted that Rebecca’s days were # not only because of Frons’ obsession with Kelly Monaco but 1. she’s a vet 2. she cost a lot and 3. she’s not a pet he never understood the appeal of Elizabeth Webber and flat out said so. He did not want Liason so I knew then I would never get them and when I did it would be exactly the crap they were written. But I enjoy Stecky on screen chemistry and rode it out.

    As for Niz there was “plenty of story there” and I don’t see it as in a corner at all…I saw them stop writing for them period. Funny the #1 soap writes for Sharon who repeatedly bangs two brothers and she’s in front / center story not in a corner this is a soap opera its in the pen they are in a corner? You write them out they’ve always done this for decades…as a writer its a pity poor excuse any amateur can and has done it why not highly paid professionals?

    I for one am only looking forward and as a Becky fan I want her out from under pimp daddy’s thumb and on somewhere I can actually enjoy the writing knowing that its fair balanced and the deck isn’t stacked against her; I have no intentions of watching her exit storyline…I’ll just read about it.

    Again, IMO, Becky’s problem is she’s too popular for her own good and when they put her in her place in story with some of the crappiest writing since Laura, AJ, Tony, Rick Webber etc a host of other characters who have been written like crap to push an agenda then she was repeatedly dragged her through the mud (with no whitewash in sight) to pimp and prop his “IT” couple Jason/Sam; like Greg she had to go because we all know she doesn’t have Frons on speed dial.

    I do not believe this is storyline-dictated since you write the story the way you want it. I believe its purely “politics” their a solution to a problem and always will…and putting a newbie (Shioban) actress on contract right when you fire a vet says it all for me also in giving her “excellent” writing and boo-Koo screen time with a story LnL2 fans waited ten years to see and giving BrookLyn story with Nik that NIZ fans waited to see only confirms that for me. Rebecca Herbst was ousted because of the politics of General Hospital so his pets can be stroked.

    I’m not suggesting conspiracy theories for a mere soap opera but I am saying I think its politics and what actually happened you can spin it anyway you want.

    As for believing (Frons) and/or Guza love soaps? Neither…Guza has utterly destroyed this show and mocks it at every turn. I will never believe he loves this genre of storytelling just because you’ve been in a profession for 30+ years doesn’t mean you “love” it I believe he loves the big bucks he makes off it. And being heralded as a great writer e.g. his emmy wins for his stunts.

  42. Avatar of Erin287
    Erin287

    First off, congrats Jiafferty23! You just made this 3 year lurker create an account here, so that is pretty impressive. Second, I’m not disagreeing with anything you are saying here, but I am obsessively compelled to point out that the Webbers were the first family on GH. That makes this a larger blow than most. Maybe that is why Jamie keeps mentally tying this back to the utter destruction of the Q’s.

  43. Avatar of Cyberologist
    Cyberologist

    The Hardys was “one” the founding characters (Steve Hardy) Jessie / Phil Brewer along w/ Audrey/Lucille March (her sister)

    The children/grandchildren/greatgrandchildren of Steve Hardy:

    Jeff Webber (son; with Helene)
    Thomas Hardy Sr. (son; via adoption) (Audrey’s with Tom Baldwin)

    Steven Lars Webber (grandson)
    Sarah Webber (granddaughter)
    Elizabeth Webber (granddaughter)
    Thomas Hardy Jr. (adoptive grandson)
    Cameron Webber (great-grandson)

    Elizabeth Webber is a legacy character from the oldest family on GH.

  44. Avatar of aramis270
    aramis270

    If to believe jLafferty, Guza has nothing to do with this, it just proves to me that he is useless because he cannot make any decision so why keep the guy? Certainly not for his writing qualities as teh writing has never been as sloppy as lately. At least RC at OLTL seems to have found a way to handle Frons dictatorial ways

    But if he is not, which I believe as he is Head writer , he is just guilty as charged. Like Frons. Like Phelps.

    So which one it is? Not guilty but a useless guy with zero power so why keep that kind of guy who cannot go against Frons?

    Or I have been in place long enough to know how to handle Frons so there is NO way I was not an accomplice of this?

    I vote the second one. No way this is 100% Frons’ fault and Frons only. Things are never black or white in that kind of mess and I doubt there is only one culprit and one only (even if I don’t doubt Frons couldn’t stand Liz).

    And are you related to Guza to systematically defend him? LOL
    You seriously remind me of another Guza fan of this board which alias also starts with a J ;)

  45. Avatar of melanie
    melanie

    [quote=jlafferty23]liason4real

    Yeah as a Sam fan, I must admit, I hated those times. I felt like the writers were throwing Sam under the bus, much like what is going on with Liz right now.[/quote]

    I understand why Jasam fans felt that way but I thought that it was decent writing for KM – Sam was truly interesting, had a hot love story and POV. On top of that she came out of the other side a more interesting and independent character. I think it would have been way more interesting if Guza had then tied her more strongly into the canvas with a Sam/Helena/Cassidine story to legitimize her status as a Cassidine. The writing lately just demonstrates that TPTB want to break away from the old families and reestablish the show as a bunch of unrelated newbies with mob ties and a hospital to clean up their gun shot wounds.

  46. Avatar of shancy
    shancy

    i think somewhere in reading these comments it seems the plan is Franco finds out about Jake sees Liz as keeping Franco’s love =Jason from his child and kills her to give Jason his son . Lucky finds out about Aiden but Siobhan cannot deal with two children so Steve takes Cam with Olivia’s help right?
    can they bring Rebecca back playing Liz’s sister to get Lucky/Siobhan/Sarah triangle? i am not familiar with what Sarah off screen story is supposed to be?

  47. Avatar of jlafferty23
    jlafferty23

    Erin

    Thanks I guess? LOL

    Yes I understand, I am just as upset about Becky getting fired as the Liz fans (I am not a Liz fan)…but like I’ve said. I don’t agree with Jamey blaming Guza.

  48. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Steve Hardy died about 15 years ago

    Audrey Hardy hasnt been on screen in 5 years

    Jeff Webber left town in 81, basically 30 years ago

    Tom Hardy, left town about 15 years ago

    Sarah Webber was on briefly in 2002 but really left the canvas in 98, more than a decade ago

    Steve Webber only really became a presence in town recently.

    Anyone remember the Brewers, one of the original families that eventually were replaced by subsequent core families like the Qs Scorpios Spencers Cassadines and Corinthos

  49. Avatar of doodleynoodle
    doodleynoodle

    jlafferty23…it’s called The Pile On effect. You can take poison in small doses but eventually it’s gonna kill ya.

    Kind of like my love for GH. I’ve watched since Luke MET Laura. But they have raped me emotionally for the last time. It’s kinda like a divorce. I can’t say I never loved you…but I can say that the bad outweighs the good and I’m done and I can’t even stand to look at your face anymore. There’s nothing they can say or do that can repair what’s been broken.

    I totally feel ya Jamey and am not confused AT all.

  50. Avatar of oyhumbug
    oyhumbug

    If there was a soap opera viewer equivalent of a crack baby, that’d be me. I’ve been watching soap operas for so long that I can’t even remember starting. Becky’s “storyline dictated” firing, though, has slapped the daytime drama loving out of me. The only way I’ll watch a soap again is if Becky gets hired by another show. I’ll watch for HER. Otherwise, I’m so DONE.

    Forget cold turkey or rehab. To recover from your addiction, just put Frons & Co. in charge of your “drug” of choice. Some side effects do apply, however.

    As for this article, Jamey you’re the shiz. I will most definitely be linking this post.

    Thanks!

  51. Avatar of elc914
    elc914

    Thanks for the article Jamey. I couldn’t agree more. Do these idiots realize what destruction they’ve done to this soap. I have got to believe tptb have to be reading these posts but like everyone saying they don’t care about the fans.

    How can fronzie not like RH. She seems like such a nice person and what I’ve bee reading she got along with her costars and she was a loyal employee. What’s there not to like he is such an idiot along with his head writer and executive producer!

    By the way I love this DC!! Keep up the great work guys! I mostly lurk but the RH firing has gotten me to post.

  52. Avatar of ladyofthelake
    ladyofthelake

    I’m a Becky fan and sad that she’s leaving. Sucks, really does. I won’t stop watching GH. In my 20 years of watching, I’ve seen many of my beloved characters/actors leave. Anyone recall when they fired Sean and Tiffany. I about died.

    That said, I don’t give much credit for the magazine polls. You could vote 20 times a day on the websites. I’ve known people who have voted 20 times a day for their fav couple and so on. I’ve never even voted in those polls.

    You need to start pointing the blame on JFP, the excutive producer.

  53. Avatar of melanie
    melanie

    [quote=bklyn729]Thanks Jamey, this article is spot on! ABCD slow death rests solely on the shoulders of Frons. GH won’t be on the air much longer because Guza/Phelps/Frons haven’t the slightest idea what the majority of viewers want to see on their screens. Currently, Their vision for GH has proven to be a ratings failure. I’m so tired of everyone blaming VMG for tanking the ratings when they were already in toilet prior to her coming aboard the show. Nothing they have done thus far like stunt casting, big sweep events, big explosions, death, mayhem, & Lame shootout adventures have helped to improve them either. This show hasn’t been good since the Metro Court and it probably won’t improve under the current regime of Frons/Guza/Phelps. RH firing will hurt them more than they realized because her fans are outraged & more of them will walk away from the show once RH’s last scene airs. Now, all that’s left for me & others to do is to sit back & watch this once great soap sink further into oblivion![/quote]

    IT, I was thinking that the show really hasn’t been good for more than a single episode or scene here and there since the Metrocourt. I suspect that there will be some drop in ratings over the next few weeks. Many RH fans that I’ve seen post are saying that they can’t/won’t watch the character be ripped apart over the next few weeks. I feel the same. This isn’t like with liason breaking up. Yes some people protested and voted with their remote. I was pissed but I didn’t feel the need to do that. I just FF through stuff I didn’t like but there’s so little that appeals now and at least before there was always the hope that RH would get a good s/l or liason would reconnect – it kept me interested. The spoilers for the next few weeks are just yuck. I’d rather remember Liz for what she was and should have remained.

    EET, I appreciate the sentiment of your fic and it seems way better to me than what I expect from TPTB. But, just a shout out to NY state (where PC is suppose to be) – as a NY parent of a child who had an autism diagnosis and received so many services that he is basically fine now, our provided services for young children are relatively awesome (people move here) and there’s no way that any soap will touch the vaccine issue it is insanely controversial. Of course, Rt 55 runs no where near upstate NY and the writers don’t appear to do any type of research so . . . The experience of having a sick child is filled with high drama. It changes your life and perspective. An autism s/l done well is timely and could produce very compelling drama. There are so many things that TPTB could put out there and instead it’s just the same mob crap over and over again. It’s no wonder the ratings drop constantly as the put out the same stuff and rip away the long time fan favorites that held us to the show for nostalgia and sentimentality.

  54. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Melanie to be clear the autism idea originated with JS, i dont want anyone to think I am trying to take credit…I just said that it could make a good exit storyline if thats what they intend to do. Its nice to know that NY has good services in that respect and that your son is fine. Thats so great because its not the case for so many. If frons/guza have the goal of writing out the character the they should do it in a decent way, not by having her use her children and fail. That will only cause even more backlash and I am not sure it positions the remaining characters well going forward.

  55. Avatar of melanie
    melanie

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]Melanie to be clear the autism idea originated with JS, i dont want anyone to think I am trying to take credit…I just said that it could make a good exit storyline if thats what they intend to do. Its nice to know that NY has good services in that respect and that your son is fine. Thats so great because its not the case for so many. If frons/guza have the goal of writing out the character the they should do it in a decent way, not by having her use her children and fail. That will only cause even more backlash and I am not sure it positions the remaining characters well going forward.[/quote]

    I didn’t see the earlier comment. EET your comments frequently stand out to me! That could have been a great s/l and they could have shown lots of it in the hospital with all the testing and therapists,etc. If they wanted to actors it would have been an interesting way to bring in a few. I do take the overall point that there are many potential s/ls for the Liz character (and all of the vets IMO – I was totally crushed that they wrote off Alan and Monica whom I loved). This policy of letting vets languish so we won’t care when they are gone seems pointless and ineffectual.
    At this point, I’m not allowing myself to speculate how RH will be written off b/c most of the possibilities (considering how TPTB have written for her) really upset me.

    On another note, I know that many Jasammers (loved to) hate Liz. Although not a Jasam fan (but I have a few s/ls I’d be interested in for Sam – like a hard core Cassidine one with Helena), I found myself interested in following the Jasam story as it was always tied to liason (at least in many fans eyes). I’m wondering if there is withdrawal from those that loved to hate Liz and if it this (in a clearly unintended way) hurts that pairing as well.

  56. Avatar of lefthandedboy
    lefthandedboy

    Wasn’t “Clink, Boom” written by Claire Labine?

    Guza did a spectacular job when he first arrived at GH back in the mid 90′s. His writing had me on the edge of my seat every single day. Then he had to leave to go write Sunset Beach due to a previous contract obligation. Once that show tanked, he came back to GH and has written nothing but garbage ever since! The first thing he did when he got back was to destroy Tony Jones. He hasn’t stopped destroying characters since.

  57. Avatar of GAgal28
    GAgal28

    Jamey thank you so much for your article! It says everything that I feel. I agree with all of your points. That said, if these idiots do “kill off” Elizabeth (& more so if they do it at the hands of that stupid Franco) then heaven help this show. Right now they should be “treading lightly” period. I mean do they realize how popular Becky is & how wide/large her fan base reaches? Clearly they do not & even if they do they don’t care, but if they kill THIS legacy character off they will have a coo on their hands. And I don’t think they really understand that.
    Anyways, like I’ve said in other posts I’m just tired of this show. I’ve watched it since I was 5 years old & I’ve seen characters come & go, & I’ve seen characters killed off, & core families ripped to shreds. I’m just tired of this mess period. After the killings of Georgie, Emily, & Alan; & after Ric Hearst left (which I won’t discuss cause I get upset when I think about how he was treated) I kept watching & waiting for things to turn around. I mean after all of these things happened, every year, Guza says “things will get better, good things are coming” (or other such stuff to that effect). So I watch & I wait for these good things, but it never happens & I am tired. So this firing of Becky was the last straw for me. I was completely shocked by this. Of all the people to get fired I would have NEVER thought it would be Becky. And then to top it off just when I think I can be at peace somehow about this, something else comes out about it to make the wound worse. Let me name them: after she was fired ABC released a statement that Erin Chambers was put on contract, then we find out that Becky broke down on set (that really sent me over the edge), & now Jamey’s hearing speculations that Liz might be killed off. This makes me sick & disgusted. Tacky, tacky, tacky PR period. My heart hurts for Becky & I wish her well!!! Better things are for sure in store for her.
    As for me, I have come back to the red headed step child soap of ABC daytime (that is not my opinion of this soap, that’s how they’re treated by Frons)…. OLTL. I used to watch it religiously along with GH, but drifted away from it. Like any wayward child, thank heavens I came back home to Llanveiw, cause it’s giving me all I want from a soap & more. And I hope Ron & Frank will continue to work their way around that idiot Frons, cause they can tell better soap in 1 minute than Guza can in an hour. Love, love, love OLTL.

  58. Avatar of luvLnL2
    luvLnL2

    I tweeted Michelle Val Jean- who BTW should be headwriter by now-asking her about who is in charge of what, she told me that Bob Guza was in charge of who is on my screen and story direction. I have no doubt that Frons is involved, but Guza is not innocent. He writes for himself, NOT the fans. Frons/Guza/Phelps will be the death of GH. *sniffle*

  59. Avatar of luvLnL2
    luvLnL2

    APPLAUSE!! Thank you so much for saying what is on so many minds. ALL soap fans should be in an uproar over what is happening with their veterans on all soaps. Becky Herbst was a legacy fan favorite and at her prime, now is the time when she should be getting the most material. Instead, all the budgets go to publicity stunts like hiring HOllywood actors who have zero to do with GH. I get if it GH were doing fine, but its not. Ratings after the Franco exits showed that his presence barely made a dent. Fans want their VETERANS. Hiring of new actress Erin Chambers just days before Becky’s firing was a huge slap in the face not only to her fans but to Becky. That must have stung and hurt so deeply for her to hear how easily she was thrown away for a character no one cares about. Make no mistake, its nothing against the actress, I just don’t care about her character. I don’t care about Lisa, or Dr. Terrell. Becky never left GH for greener pastures yet she is being fired while those who left, are given the red carpet.Where’s the loyalty? GH has lacked riveting storylines for years, veterans being axed, core founding families slowly but surely being killed off, rinse and repeat stories with zero imagination and an oversaturation of mob on a show called General HOSPITAL-yet they couldn’t write for a NURSE. GH writers write for themselves, not the fans, and that is why GH is heading towards cancellation. Firing Becky was a HUGE MISTAKE.

  60. Avatar of giogio
    giogio

    luvlnl2 – Thanks for finding out for us who is responbsible for the actors. But if they insist on saying there was nothing they could think of to write for Liz Webber – that is sensless and insulting. If they are writing for themselves, they are writing themselves right out the door. Why are they being so full of themselves to create stories that fans do not like. Why dosent anyone get it. And why do they keep getting away with it. This is all annoying. All I want to do is be entertained not deal with someone’s head trip.

  61. Avatar of spikefan
    spikefan

    To be truthful I like Liason at first in 1999 but then moved on. The reason why I dislike Liz after the summer of sleaze was the fact Guza throw Sam under the bus for the Liason paring then I stopped watching. Then late 2008 I heard that they were going to reunite JaSam I started to watch again. I like Rebecca Herbst and have love/hate relationship with the character. But in the end I will always be a diehard Lucky/Liz fan.

    I love Spinelli but they need to do actual storyline with the character give Spin amnesia or something better yet make Spin and Jason related through Jason’s bio mother Susan Moore.

  62. Avatar of aramis270
    aramis270

    [quote=lefthandedboy]Guza did a spectacular job when he first arrived at GH back in the mid 90′s. His writing had me on the edge of my seat every single day. Then he had to leave to go write Sunset Beach due to a previous contract obligation. Once that show tanked, he came back to GH and has written nothing but garbage ever since! The first thing he did when he got back was to destroy Tony Jones. He hasn’t stopped destroying characters since.[/quote]

    Great post. You wrote it exactly as I see it :)

  63. Avatar of doodleynoodle
    doodleynoodle

    jlafferty23 – He wasn’t. I’m thinking 2002ish. That’s when GH started going to hell in a hand basket. I can’t believe I’ve wasted this much time HOPING it would improve. Silly girl…

  64. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    When Guza Was HW From Jan-June 96 and then again from Dec 1997-December 2000

    Not Only Was There a different Prez Of Daytime, I Think 96 was Mary alice Dwyer Dobbin and then 97-20002 was Angela Shapiro But Guza was HW at those times with Wendy Riche As EP. Riche Ran GH Well and Guza Had to get her approval. She checked him a lot

    Now today with Frons and Phelps. Frons & Guza basically produce and write GH and Phelps is just a figure head

  65. Avatar of aramis270
    aramis270

    So what’s the purpose of Guza if he cannot say anything and do anything LOL ?
    Ron C is doing a very good job on OLTL without having huge fan favorites (don’t consider BU as a big fan favorite personally, she is nice but i am not devastated to see her go if it means i have Ted King back and a great pairing for Blair) axed and with a great mix of the whole cast including the vets and within budget and last time I checked he is working for the same Frons.

    Of course Guza was able to write great stories at one time, even not so long ago (train wreck and the Black and White Ball) but it was 3 years ago. Since then he has just lost any writing ability he ever had. Too bad.

  66. Avatar of Dariclone
    Dariclone

    Great and well written post, Jamey. I don’t think it’s news though. Frons has ignored fans [online and not] for years now. Frons makes it look like the online fans want something different from those that don’t go online, but the fansI know that don’t use computers like the same couple and actors as we do. Frons just uses us as an excuse to ignore *all* the fans and do whatever he and his favourite writers want. Brian Frons needs to be fired.

  67. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    Its Frons & Guza

    Frons Is Letting Guza Have Free Reign Of GH not Only Writing But Also Casting & Production

    Guza Is The One who switched The Focus To Sonny & Jason In 2002

    Guza Wanted this During his late nineties tenure but Riche wanted an ensemble show. So thats one reason Guza quit in 2000

    Guza Trumps Phelps which is sad

    Even though I dont like Megan McTavish at least when she wrote GH from April 2001-June 2002 It was still pretty much an ensamble show and balanced

  68. Avatar of timepass
    timepass

    Frons can tell Guza which couple he wants, etc.

    But when all is said and done somebody has to write a story.
    A story is good or not, no matter which character they used.

    and frankly since I start watching because of Brenda, I did not see one good story; only highly predictable one.

    Guza = Story.

    Good soap = Good story = Good HW.

    Bad soap = Bad HW!

  69. Avatar of syworld82
    syworld82

    I think this is atrocious … They provide ample oppurtuniites for Laura Wright to prove herself as an actress but she never once proves it. but Rebecca Herbest who constantly proves herself as a powerhouse of the cast with multiple emmy nominations.. BTW.. i am a HUGE CARLY FAN.. i actually hate the character of liz… but the firing of Rebecca is just sickening…

  70. Avatar of ahanshew
    ahanshew

    [quote=shancy]i think somewhere in reading these comments it seems the plan is Franco finds out about Jake sees Liz as keeping Franco’s love =Jason from his child and kills her to give Jason his son . Lucky finds out about Aiden but Siobhan cannot deal with two children so Steve takes Cam with Olivia’s help right?
    can they bring Rebecca back playing Liz’s sister to get Lucky/Siobhan/Sarah triangle? i am not familiar with what Sarah off screen story is supposed to be?[/quote]

    This is exactly where my thought process was taking me. I think Franco finds out about Jake being Jason’s. Franco wants nothing more than to hurt Jason. However, I think Lucky would keep Cameron. He’s legally Lucky’s now??

    I have to stop reading this stuff. The stake keeps getting pushed farther in my heart…

  71. Avatar of ahanshew
    ahanshew

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]Steve Hardy died about 15 years ago

    Audrey Hardy hasnt been on screen in 5 years

    Jeff Webber left town in 81, basically 30 years ago

    Tom Hardy, left town about 15 years ago

    Sarah Webber was on briefly in 2002 but really left the canvas in 98, more than a decade ago

    Steve Webber only really became a presence in town recently.

    Anyone remember the Brewers, one of the original families that eventually were replaced by subsequent core families like the Qs Scorpios Spencers Cassadines and Corinthos[/quote]

    I remember Jessie. Was she related to Amy Vining? Now I’m showing my age and how long I’ve been watching. LOL…

  72. Avatar of melanie
    melanie

    [quote=ahanshew][quote=shancy]i think somewhere in reading these comments it seems the plan is Franco finds out about Jake sees Liz as keeping Franco’s love =Jason from his child and kills her to give Jason his son . Lucky finds out about Aiden but Siobhan cannot deal with two children so Steve takes Cam with Olivia’s help right?
    can they bring Rebecca back playing Liz’s sister to get Lucky/Siobhan/Sarah triangle? i am not familiar with what Sarah off screen story is supposed to be?[/quote]

    This is exactly where my thought process was taking me. I think Franco finds out about Jake being Jason’s. Franco wants nothing more than to hurt Jason. However, I think Lucky would keep Cameron. He’s legally Lucky’s now??

    I have to stop reading this stuff. The stake keeps getting pushed farther in my heart…[/quote]

    The thought that they may kill off any of these three children makes me want to throw up. I remember when BJ died – oh the tears but that was a great story with real meaning. This is BS!!! The vomit feeling is similar to when they killed Georgie and I remembered the day she was conceived and born and all the years we watched her grow up. When the PTB kill off a legacy child it should be with total restraint and for real reason. It should not be as part of a cost-cutting process. If that is all this is, Liz should simply get to leave town with her three boys and move to greener pastures. It would preserve possible future stories in the event GH survives. In a few years the SORASed boys could come back to town and cause all sorts of fun.

  73. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    SYworld LW hasnt proven it TO YOU. You are stating that she isnt a good actress like thats fact, when the reality is most people dont share that opinion at all. I get that the becky thing is sad, but why drag OTHER actors into this.

    Ahanshew, I dont think they were related but they worked side by side. Jessie also had a sibling I think and some other family members but the eventually were written off and it was just jessie by the time I started watching.

    I dont get the whole core vs.legacy oh shes steve hardy grandchild when the Hardy family hasnt been relevant in a month of sundays They moved away from that family when Richard Dean Anderson left and the writers started to focus more on the qs and the spencers. They tried to bring them back with Liz and Sarah, but Sarah was a big old flop and the last steven webber was a flop too. What matters far more than her connection to steve hardy is her popularity and whether this will translate into a demonstrable drop in the ratings. Brenda isnt a core legacy whatever and yet vmg was prized for years because brenda once equaled ratings gold.

    I also see the Q thing differently. No they werent an original family but what has been particularly disgusting to me is that the family didnt drop off the canvas because they werent as popular or because key actors wanted to go to primetime and newer efforts to repopulate didnt take, but rather because the writers decided to systematically kill them off one by one by one.

  74. Avatar of TomZulawski
    TomZulawski

    People wake up, they are purposly tanking this show. Soaps are expensive to make, talk shows are cheaper. Once GH is gone, its easier to cancel the rest. No one can be this stupid and keep their job.

  75. Avatar of karenrogan
    karenrogan

    Online polls are completely irrelevant. Any dedicated online fan base can skew poll results by clearing their cookie and robo voting. It’s done all the time! That’s why the results are a total joke.

  76. Avatar of doodleynoodle
    doodleynoodle

    Online polls may be considered a joke but Jason & Elizabeth won the SID Supcouple Smackdown poll beating out 17 other couples, in 3 separate elmination rounds, from all 3 of the ABC soaps combined. In order to participate you had to have an original ballot…signed, sealed and delivered the old-fashioned way…snail mail.

    Considering online polls…since every fanbase accuses every other fanbase of robovoting – I think it probably all evens out in the end.

    Ultimately, the fact remains, Becky Herbst is one of the most popular actresses in daytime television and whether you personally like her or not doesn’t diminish or change that fact. I think TIIC are getting ready to find out PRECISELY how popular she really is and I hope they all fry for it.

  77. Avatar of dwood37
    dwood37

    Well Jamey. After all these years defending Guza at every turn, I’m glad you finally see the light!!! Welcome to the club of fans who believe that Guza has destroyed General Hospital. What took you so long???????

  78. Avatar of luvLnL2
    luvLnL2

    jlafferty23-not silly, that’s just being hopeful. IMO. I have been hanging on by a thread for the last few years. I’ve kept watching out of the love I have for the show, and for many of the actors I have watched for so many years. What never ceases to amaze me is that the complaints in the article have been a common complaint for so long now, that it has become obvious to many if not most, that we are being grossly ignored as fans. I am left with nothing but the opinion that they are crashing GH on purpose. I am a longtime fan, and I don’t think I have it in me to watch them finish the show off, or fire another veteran fan. Becky is the last straw for me.

  79. Avatar of luvLnL2
    luvLnL2

    ericaseviltwin- I don’t understand why you “don’t get the whole core vs. legacy?” That’s what makes soaps so unique, are the characters you grow to love and watch for years and years. The Hardy’s were phased out just like the rest of them, to longtime fans it is a sad thing to watch. Sarah and the last Steven Webber might have been a flop, but Becky Herbst as Elizabeth Webber never was, she is very popular. Scott Reeves as Steven has been a success so why not begin rebuilding that family to some extent? Elizabeth’s parents are both still alive, as is Sarah, as is Laura who is a Webber like Liz. they could have easily written a Laura return, with a real Spencer/Cassadine feud with Elizabeth right in the middle. Genie has been done the same way, its painfully obvious that the writers write for themselves, and falling ratings will continue to happen until eventually the soap is cancelled. It’s all in the pen, and Guza chooses to write solely for mob now, which sadly has alienated much of the longtime viewers who might enjoy the mob aspect of GH, but did not start watching it for that, nor understand why it has taken over a show called General HOSPITAL. Any new viewer watching Jason Morgan would never be able to tell he is actually a Q. Why? Because Guza wants us to forget that like the rest of the history he has been rewriting for years. *sniffle*

  80. Avatar of goyankees
    goyankees

    Everyone repeat after me: C…B….S…..C..B..S…..CBS!!!!

    Seriously, they may not be perfect over there (The Talk as example) but Y&R is FAB and B&B is pretty damn great too. Bail on ABC before their higher-ups/MORONS bail it forever FOR YOU. Seriously. Just GO. They don’t CARE about their viewers. THEY DON’T….CARE!! It’s NOT HARD to make that switch. I did and miss NOTHING on ABC Daytime ONE BIT.

    p.s. This logging in thing? Can we tweek it a little? The Caption codes you have to enter. Is it me, or are they hard to read lately? Took me three tries to log in?

    Sorry, I’m grumpy, it’s Monday and I’m in the NE where its barely over ten degrees today.

  81. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    I think DOOL is another good option. I am thinking I will hang with OLTL, and check out DOOL. With TK joining a already good soap, I am looking forward to what happens on there the next few months. Maybe I will try Y&R also, but B&B is only a half hour long with a huge cast. It would take me forever to figure out everyone lol.

  82. Avatar of siomonstuart2003
    siomonstuart2003

    Look up what Doug Marland, By Douglas Marland

    * Watch the show.

    * Learn the history of the show. You would be surprised at the ideas that you can get from the back story of your characters.

    * Read the fan mail. The very characters that are not thrilling to you may be the audience’s favorites.

    * Be objective. When I came in to ATWT, the first thing I said was, what is pleasing the audience? You have to put your own personal likes and dislikes aside and develop the characters that the audience wants to see.

    * Talk to everyone; writers and actors especially. There may be something in a character’s history that will work beautifully for you, and who would know better than the actor who has been playing the role?

    * Don’t change a core character. You can certainly give them edges they didn’t have before, or give them a logical reason to change their behavior. But when the audience says, “He would never do that,” then you have failed.

    * Build new characters slowly. Everyone knows that it takes six months to a year for an audience to care about a new character. Tie them in to existing characters. Don’t shove them down the viewers’ throats.

    * If you feel staff changes are in order, look within the organization first. P&G [Procter & Gamble] does a lot of promoting from within. Almost all of our producers worked their way up from staff positions, and that means they know the show.

    * Don’t fire anyone for six months. I feel very deeply that you should look at the show’s canvas before you do anything.

    * Good soap opera is good storytelling. It’s very simple.

    The writers should of be objective and if you don’t like the character, you shouldn’t kill the character off because you don’t like her and the audience does, you will turned off majority of your viewership. TIIC is making a very bad mistake on this one here.

  83. Avatar of alstonboy4315
    alstonboy4315

    Siomonstuart–

    NONE of the current writers seem to have the work ethic/attention to detail that Agnes Nixon, Wisner Washam, Douglas Marland, Bill Bell Sr., Claire Labine and Irna Phillips had!!

    That’s why soaps are dying!!! But everything that you posted makes sense.

  84. Avatar of Cyberologist
    Cyberologist

    Re: #99

    CBS has faults don’t get me wrong and I’m sure there is the same favoritism that runs rampant on all shows however, but at least they don’t club me to death with it…IMO GH’s is “extreme” and hinders storytelling.

    On other shows; I can’t see it on my screen in story after story with a character being written just horridly as Elizabeth was with no years of watching her being whitewashed than bleached via redemption as they do with their “IT” characters.

    errr w/the exception of the Winters family but for “the most part” a mother of three is in top tier lead story…they write for her…and she has no family on the show other than her mother being brought out from time to time…she banged two sets of brothers and one set more than once yet she isn’t written in a corner…

    Why? because women lead stories something GH does not do. I always watched CBS soaps anyway I just had to fill in the blanks with DOL as on/off again viewer. Its not just about Becky and how she was treated I’ve watched this play out with “all the vets” I wanted to hang in for old school GH that’s left which isn’t much. I left GH “years ago as a loyal viewer” just clips here/there…and followed the excellent turned redunkulous FA storyline w/Robin/Patrick/Lisa which was not surprisingly ruined (for me) by not showcasing Robin as the daughter of iconic international super spy double agent parents, ex police commissioners, step daughter to Duke Lavery that grew up around Sean/Tiffany etc… but disrespected that history that highlighted her as some neurotic dimwit Robin should have been cunning, strategically dealing with Lisa toe to toe..It would have been a fine story here for Elizabeth and her friends to join her in trying to bring Lisa down…but all I got is no proof …then find the damn proof that is what Robert Scorpio “always” said as police commissioner.

    Sorry but I’m not interested in the new GH with all the newcomers…I want to see characters “from the core/legacy families” their offspring like on “other shows”
    all soaps do this its not a new phenomenon in generational storytelling…what is new for me is the systematic destruction of history as GH has chosen to do. That isn’t necessary you just go on and tell your story instead of spending so much airtime destroying the fabric of the show.

    I have seen over the years, when I was in highschool/college…this “getting to know you” with a revolving door of new characters that won’t end is tiresome. They want new viewers and aren’t interested in old school GH viewers so there you have it. I bounced and now I’ll never look back just relieved to be rid of this show…its like crawling on broken glass to enjoy it.

  85. Avatar of 96meimei
    96meimei

    Tell it Jamey I love him. I also love Becky and following that trail I hate ABC/Disney. I have completely given up ABC even Castle.
    Guza and Frons are so far down on the scale along with the other ABC bottom feeders that hate isnt a good word to describe how I feel about them. Jill F@@k up Phelps is an idiot Maureen Frankie and now Elizabeth hello fire that stupid woman. Iger, sweeny whoever. You are falling down on your job pat attention to what the wackos are doing ruining your name.
    P&G, J&J hello we all buy your products tell them your customers are unhappy and threatening a boycott.
    Rebecca Herbst is a great actress and will be a great asset whereever she goes. GH doesn’t deserve her they deserve KeMO, MB, JJ, SBu, LW, all the preferred group and they suck for this attitude.
    Becky’s Brigade, Elizabeth’s Entourage, Rebecca’s Rowdies we are loud and we are proud of our GIRRLL!!!!!!!!!
    Love you Becky and thank you for your portrayal of EW.

  86. Avatar of Saher89
    Saher89

    if guza kills liz off, he better watch it, my pitchfork is ready!!
    if this happens, gh has flushed itself down the toilet. screw them.
    until becky is rehired, there`s no gh for me.

  87. Avatar of Saher89
    Saher89

    liz is an everyday woman, whom everyone can relate to. we have unnecessary newbie Claire lying around to feed into sonny`s god-like ego, but having a single mom who works hard for her kids on this show for once is a crime, wth?!?!? this being done does not send out a good message to anyone, especially females who make up a part of gh’s 18-49 viewing demographic. as i said before, sri rao should be the HW, these misogynists should be given the boot, jmo. and plus, the whole budget is not even the case, i firmly believe. this is all agenda-driven crap by Mr. Brian Frons. if it was, they would not be hiring new people the way they are, jmo, so that`s moot. the day this show is rid of guza and frons is the day this show`s existence should be celebrated, not while these misogynists are in charge, jmo.

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