Rebecca Herbst STAYING With General Hospital?!



What a good way to wake up in the morning. I go on Facebook and I have a message from loyal DC reader Gush900 asking me if I’d heard the "big GH news". I wipe my eyes, yawn, then type back "What big GH news?" I start to wonder if maybe Genie Francis is returning to General Hospital as a dark-haired mob moll named Dahlia Concepcion? So then I go get a cup of coffee, come back and log into Twitter and what do I see, but this gem tweeted early this morning by ABC Soaps in Depth:

Breaking news: Becky Herbst (Liz) NOT leaving #GH? You heard it hear first! Details soon….



Looks like the fans, they have a’ SPOKEN!

202 Responses

  1. Avatar of stephanieleo
    stephanieleo

    I never been a fan of Becky anyway so if she stays or goes make no difference to me. General Hospital is sinking ship with there terrible storyline the best of GH was in the 70,s and 80,s especially wend Glory Monty was in charge.

  2. Avatar of LizzieVee
    LizzieVee

    WHOOO HOOOOO!!!!!YEAH, BABY!!!!! Those idiots at GH finally realized they screwed up, big time. What were they smoking, anyways, when they made this bad decision? I don’t think they realized the big storm this would brew. They are clueless. The fans spoke loud and clear and they finally got their heads out of their butts to hear us!!!!!!!

  3. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Congrats to all you RH fans. YES your voice’s were heard. :beer:

    Now on to a better storyline for this actress. Stop being vandictive, angry, hateful, and lets see the good side to Liz.

    Did you hear that writers??

  4. Avatar of GHvetfan
    GHvetfan

    I don’t know how I feel about this. I would love to believe but I feel like they might just be playing with us. Did they expect the outcry? I think not. If they truly understood her value, they would never have treated her like crap in the first place. Is it possible that they will put her on recurring so they can tell the fans that she isn’t fired but never use her? YUP!!! I am in wait and see mode. Becky is worth far better treatment. I have actually enjoyed not watching GH. The recaps sound horrible.

  5. Avatar of beans4metoo
    beans4metoo

    Wow! All I can say is that this is proof that RH has some dedicated fans out there! I hope its long term and not just throwing us a bone for an extra few months. I’m so happy for Becky…NOW put Liz and Lucky back together STAT and send Sibohan packing back to the Land of Lucky Charms!

  6. Avatar of js3557
    js3557

    I don’t think the fans that fought so hard for Becky/Liz see Liz as vindictive, angry or hateful….but to each his/her own I guess! I’m all for a better storyline for this wonderful actress. Yay Becky! Yay Liz!

  7. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    WOW! WOW! WOW! Like already mentioned, I don’t think they expected this HUGE outcry, not just from fans of Becky and/or Liz, but from fans of the show in general. Both she and her character deserve a MUCH better storyline and MUCH better treatment. I’m eager to learn more details on the matter… but if it’s true, like doodleynoodle, I’m happy for she and her family!

  8. Avatar of dellygrim
    dellygrim

    Fingers crossed and knocking on wood but not holding my breath. How many times did SID ask the question “Is Brenda returning?” Then answer in the details, “No not at this time”.

    They’re sneaky and frequently use misleading lines like this. I’m certainly not giving their site any traffic. I’ll hear about it here first if it’s true.

  9. Avatar of beans4metoo
    beans4metoo

    Dellygrim- I totally agree. I was thinking the same thing when I read the headline. The soap mags are famous for misleading, as are TPTB at the shows. So, I’m hoping this isn’t a “we have her for 3 more months” thing just to appease the fans due to the outcry over her firing. Or a “we aren’t killing her so she can always return” thing and then put her on recurring and we still never see her. I hate to be a downer but I don’t trust GH/ABC or SID right now. The only thing I can say is that, knowing the fan uproar, I don’t think Jamey would’ve posted the article unless he had faith that it was true. Daytime Confidential I trust!

  10. Avatar of
    tamela

    Wow! Interesting. Good for RH. Is it possible that this was a publicity stunt to begin with? Nah. GH wouldn’t pull something like that would they? Anyway, here’s to hoping that the Aiden reveal is compelling and suspensefull, and if baby Jake has to go, it’s for a damn good reason ( hot tears rolling off my chin). It’s really NLG that I have MY fingers crossed for.

  11. Avatar of otalia4ever
    otalia4ever

    Its a ploy people!

    Hook, line, sucker! I don’t think she was ever leaving.

    Doesn’t make a difference if she stays or go. General Hospital is the Sonny and Jason’s show.

  12. Avatar of maxsmom
    maxsmom

    I won’t believe it until Rebecca Herbst makes the announcement. RH has been using her husband’s twitter account to speak with fans (I finally started using my account when her firing was announced) and I will not believe this until I hear from her and I won’t start watching until I read something good in Perkie’s column.

  13. Avatar of JasamForever
    JasamForever

    I am glad that Beck is still employed but now I am worried who will take her place in the unemployed category. As there are recent budget cuts for the show, someone has got to go. Hopefully it won’t be one of my favorites.

  14. Avatar of keanna
    keanna

    I agree Jamey, the GH brass isn’t smart enough to pull it off if it was a PR stunt!!!!!

    Congrats, Becky!!!! :) :) :beer: Glad you’re staying, I wonder what happened, we’ll find out more.I hope this means she has a better storyline coming. This probably means that someonee else has to go with the budget cuts coming, we’ll see.

  15. Avatar of giogio
    giogio

    Im very happy for Becky and all at GH. I really just hope they do not bring her back as a ghost. Also I hope Natalia Livingston touches base with GH and find a way to bring back Emily. Helena could have always had her death staged.

  16. Avatar of beans4metoo
    beans4metoo

    Giogio- Funny you said that about Emily as I was JUST thinking that this morning. Helena could’ve given Emily the same drug that was used on Leslie when her death was faked years ago. Its slows the breathing and heartrate down to where it is barely detectable. Helena could have Emily stashed on one of the Cassidine Greek Islands.

  17. Avatar of samIShot
    samIShot

    If GH really wants to do something interesting, find a way to bring EMILY and ALAN back. bring in Jason and Michael for more Q time, and write stories that dont revolve around one event. OLTL does this very well. Everyone has purpose and everyone is used right. (no one is on everyday all the time).

    I would love for GH to find a way to fix the Quartermaines, meaning some Monica, finding some way to get Alan back from the dead, and Emily escaping from Helena. (maybe even with a kid for her and Nik since he is about to lose Aiden to Lucky).

    it really isnt that hard to write good soap.

  18. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    I am so happy to hear this news. There appears to be hope for GH after all. They do listen. Now I am praying that they start to write for her…and in A GOOD WAY. Enough trashing this character and get back to who she really is. Also…they better not kill off baby Jake. The story line potential for this kid is amazing. They would be making a huge mistake to miss out on the opportunities that being Jason’s true son means. Praying that now that she is staying, there will be major rewrites, and intersting story lines about to happen…Yay Becky…congrats to you and your family.

  19. Avatar of AlexB
    AlexB

    Yes! This was a wonderful thing to long on to my computer and see. Becky is a GH staple and for every Jason and Liz fan there are at least three Elizabeth fans. I’m glad to see that GH came to their senses. Now give the woman a story. One that we want to see and not his mess with Prince Unisom.

  20. Avatar of AHeart4Fiction
    AHeart4Fiction

    I’m still hesitant but if Becky is staying full time, I am one happy camper. Every since the tptb pulled that stunt I have not been watching GH but I will once I hear BH is back full time. I have been hoping and praying for her family and only wish her the best. I still want to hear it from her though!

  21. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=jlafferty23]I think GH is trying really hard to please the fans. They scarped the “brenda/dante” bullcrap.[/quote]

    Something tells me, and correct me please if I am wrong…that GH doesn’t think they “scarped” anything having to do with Brenduh.

  22. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    I don’t report on stunts. Vincent Irizary was a stunt. GH hasn’t been invested in Rebecca/Liz for years. The budget cuts gave them their chance to cut her, but fans screaming to the top of their lungs saved her.

  23. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    Congrats to Becky! She tweeted on last Sunday that 3/18/11 was her final day at GH. I don’t think this was a publicity stunt since Brittany Underwood was fired from OLTL and the other AMC actress chose not to re-sign.

    RH deserved better treatment from GH since she has chosen over the last 13 1/2 years to stay with the show.

  24. Avatar of
    tamela

    Well…stunt or no (my apologies for suggesting such), I’m grateful that RH is conveniently here to stay. There’s a story to be told, and I can’t wait! Looking back, I wish they had written it so that Nikolas switched the paternity tests. It would have have given them a wealth of storyline, avoided the scheduling and budget–and rewrite problems with Constance Towers, and provided a great vehicle for TC’s exit, if necessary. Murder, anyone? Oh well, we got what what we got. I want this s/l to knock my socks off! One the subject of does RH’s salary come at the expense of others, how do we know? But I’ll say this: I will gladly part with BA, JY, TC, and even IR to keep RH and NLG.

  25. Avatar of Nicole_CJ
    Nicole_CJ

    I’m glad Becky is staying. GH to need to fix the mess with Lucky/Liz/Nik. I don’t want Liz with either guy. Lets find out Helena kidnapped Emily at the B&W ball and kidnapped Elizabeth during the Biotoxin storyline. Helena makes Liz/Emily watch from their prison the person she sent to impersonate Liz destroy Lucky/Nik’s relationship. That way NL can come back as Emily and the writers can explain Liz’s behavior. Honestly, I’ll take anything that would erase the last year and a half of Liz/Nik.

  26. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    I am happy for BH and I have said all along she has a lot of stories that could be written.

    Now it is up to her fans to watch and help with the ratings other wise why keep her or anyone if the fans don’t hold up their end of the bargain. just saying..

  27. Avatar of Kazy24
    Kazy24

    My heart just leapt into my throat! I am so excited! :D RH is a great actress and she deserved so much better than she got! Here is to hoping that they give her a great story and they stop writing this nonsense for her! Her character has been so OOC. I want to see the side of Liz we all love the character for! Not this petty jealous Liz.

    Write some GREAT storyline for Liz and give the fans what they want! :bigsmile:

  28. Avatar of Kazy24
    Kazy24

    [quote=doodleynoodle]OK…I’m watching today…WITH the belief that things are going to get better very soon for Elizabeth’s storyline.

    I’m not 100% back…but now I’m at least considering it.[/quote]

    I hear that! For the first time in a long time I actually have GH on today hoping that things will get better for Liz!

  29. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    I am sure she will do a great job with the Jake dying story. I hope this takes the character in a dark direction – the show has carly for mischief, but once lisa buys the farm or is redeemed by Johnny, they dont have a true villainess. I bet RH would do great with that kind of material.

  30. Avatar of Kazy24
    Kazy24

    [quote=GHFan777] Enough trashing this character and get back to who she really is. Also…they better not kill off baby Jake. The story line potential for this kid is amazing. They would be making a huge mistake to miss out on the opportunities that being Jason’s true son means.[/quote]

    I agree completely! The possibilities are numerous for a good storyline here!

  31. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    Jaq…Jake doesn’t have to die…in fact there is much more future story line potential if he lives….

    EET as for Liz being a evil…I don’t see that happening either. That is not the essence of the character. If they are keeping her, they will redeem her to a certain extent. They have only been dragging her through the mud, in anticipation of her leaving. Personally I always liked Sam as the bad girl. All her past actions caused by her insecurities and need for revenge, have made her a good bad girl. White washing her made her boring.

  32. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Jake never “had” to die, but I didnt understand why they would fire the mother half of the story after killing off jake. If you kill off jake, to not have liz there to react to it seemed bizarre. I just hope as part of that story, monica finds out that liz was the one who said she couldnt know about jake. Thats all my monica/Q loving heart wants is a scene with monica reacting to that news.

  33. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Fan777 – what dragging her through the mud did they do. the niz stuff was done a year or more ago and the investment stuff was before all this too. Since the news of her so-called firing hit the net, the only negative thing they had her do was use aidens ear infection to score face time with Nik – hardly an earth shattering evil deed.

    Given the lengths Liz went to in order to keep cam away from zander, I think she is capable of being vicious and certainly losing her child would be a major life changing event.

    I agree some of the sam story has been boring over the last few months but thats mostly because she and everyone aside from dante, jason sonny and carly were shoved aside for brendas return. I like sam best when she is out being heroic and independent, plus I am also looking forward to her supposed upcoming pregnancy. I have waited for a JaSam baby since poor lila was stillborn, so to me thats excitement enough.

  34. Avatar of aramis270
    aramis270

    This is fantastic news. I am soooo happy.
    And it proves that TPTB are so desperate that they now HAVE TO listen to what fans want. They look like fools for having under evaluated the backlash they would get and it just shows how disconnected they are from the audience.

    However I hope it won’t be at the expense of other actors/actresses being fired intead. This mess has to stop and they need to have a better grasp about how they are communicating because so far this is a pathetic failure.

    I hope Liz will be redeemed because she is the typical good girl and good mother that I want to see. I will not dare to hope that TPTB saw the potential that a Jason/Sam/Liz REAL triangle would have. That would be too good to be true LOL But killing Jake, the storyline was already disgusting before and it still is. Write good solid stories that do not involve mob bosses, serial killers, explosion and cops being shot in the head and certainly NOT kids being killed.
    Most of the audience is women. How do they think we could wish to see Jake dying. I know that if it happens, I won’t watch that day.

  35. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    EET, The character of Elizabeth has basically been backburned now for quite some time. What little story she did have, reflected her in a bad light. Starting with Niz and proceeding on. They have portrayed her as jealous, deceitful, and petty consistently for quite some time. I am not going to go into details about her writing the last year or so…but I believe they were just setting the stage for writing her out. I think they figured if they wrote her so unflattering, her fanbase would diminish, and it would be easier to get rid of her. People wouldn’t care as much….I guess they found out that was not the case, as the fans and media are both credited in saving RH’s job.

    Any character is capable of a dark side. Where there is light there is dark. Ying/Yang…etc…but the character of Elizabeth has never been the evil girl. Sorry….she would be more likely to breakdown over the death of one of her children.

    As for Sam and a Jasam baby…I hope you get it..I have no problem with that…and possibly needing Jake’s marrow down the line for some disease…See what I mean….A lot of potential for future story lines if Jason now has 2 kids in PC.

  36. Avatar of Ravennite613
    Ravennite613

    I am beyond thrilled for BH and all us BH/Liz fans. Guess some times it pays to fight big business.

    With BH staying I will be back to haunting DC.

    I for one see more story potential with them keeping Jake alive. I can’t see why TBTB need to feel that only Sam can have Jason’s child. I am ok with Liz getting a new love interest.

  37. Avatar of Cyberologist
    Cyberologist

    I’ve always been a huge fan of Becky’s (Elizabeth Webber). I adore her so I hope this is not just some awful rumor and it is in fact true because until we at Liason Finally hear the “official” announcement I’m hopefully optimistic it could be they are keeping her but on a “recurring” status..

    Its that question mark makes me reluctant to jump for joy…especially the awful way she’s been written…Her fans need a “storyline” for a strong Elizabeth Webber not this crap of the past few years. Otherwise I would like her to go somewhere else. I want her up front center and “marketed” just like they do the newbies otherwise its a hollow victory for me. Dragging her character through the mud with no redemption via whitewash speaks volumes in what they think of this character…I’m hoping the writing will be with a more positive focus and not the negative undertones of the biggest loser. And please “NO MORE TRIANGLES”
    That’s all she’s had for “years” besides GH writes horrid triangles they just don’t write them well…the (writing) deck is always stacked against her not “for her.”

    As her fan its ridiculous that I have to keep up with ratings that’s up to the Powers that be…write a “good story” her fans will be there along with their other favorites I don’t just like Elizabeth I like other characters as well.

  38. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    ahanshew:
    I wonder if there will be announcements soon about who has been let go on GH to accommodate RH’s salary? I wonder if TC has finally said he’s gone.
    ====================================

    Kelly and Tyler have events together starting tonight and going thru to Sunday evening. Maybe some one will ask them what is going on and we can get some answers.

    Of course they are probably told by TIIC what they can’t talk about and they are told what they can spill.

    lets hope for some good gossip anyway. LOL

  39. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    You know I want to be happy for the Liz fans but then I read twitter and get annoyed. Jamey wishing for sam to be killed, jiz fans saying we got this now we get our couple, unconcerned for who might be fired to make up the money – just had hoped that the fan wars had come to an end.

  40. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=ahanshew]I wonder if there will be announcements soon about who has been let go on GH to accommodate RH’s salary? I wonder if TC has finally said he’s gone.[/quote]

    Great question, one I been thinking all day.
    Olivia, Brooke, Lisa, Nik, Brenduh. Why would anyone else need to be cut?

  41. Avatar of
    JAQ

    That is just horrible EET. When I start reading that, I tune out. My world doesn’t exist with such hatred. Especially over a TV show!! SHAME on them.

    Jason & Sam are forever. It is what it is.
    And once again, I am not a Sam fan.

  42. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    EET:
    You know I want to be happy for the Liz fans but then I read twitter and get annoyed. Jamey wishing for sam to be killed, jiz fans saying we got this now we get our couple, unconcerned for who might be fired to make up the money – just had hoped that the fan wars had come to an end.
    ============================================

    Seriously Jamey said that? I am going to have to go and figure out how twitter works and read what he/they said. That is sad and disappointing.

    Hope this “BH is rehired” isn’t a double edged sword.

    They should be glad thier girl is staying. That is why I said if they are Liz fans then hopefully they start watching and bring those viewer numbers up. Otherwise it is useless and ABC will see it for what it is. Like they say “if you didn’t vote for A President during election year then you have no room to bitch because your vote could have counted”.

    If ratings don’t come up will they (ABC,TIIC) blame BH and her fans because they didn’t deliver? Even though other fans probably are getting tired of the Brenda/Dante/Sonny/Jason show or whoever they don’t care for and quit watching.

    I am not a Liz fan as you know Erica but even I have not trashed her or cheered becasue she was fired. There was a time though when I was full of hate but I have mellowed in my Liz hate and have kept my mouth shut when it comes to what her fans like, don’t like, or how they feel about their girl or the actress to play her and who should be taken off the show so my girl gets super duper time. I have never wanted someone to get fired for them to keep Kelly/Sam. Not even BH/Liz. I have wanted her gone because of the story line and I don’t like her but not for other actors to be gone just so they put her in this story or that story.

    I might have to get back on the Liz hating bus. Which I haven’t been on in a long long time. The door is still working on that bus and swings open doesn’t it? You might have to stop at the next Liz hating bus stop to pick me up.

    Off to find and read the tweets.

  43. Avatar of
    JAQ

    I might have to get back on the Liz hating bus. Which I haven’t been on in a long long time. The door is still working on that bus and swings open doesn’t it? You might have to stop at the next Liz hating bus stop to pick me up.
    ************************************************************
    Not only will we pick you up, I have a seat saved for you. ;)

  44. Avatar of aramis270
    aramis270

    I don’t think that anyone can say that I have EVER trashed Sam even if I am a Liz fan but enough of “the Liz fans are monsters” (to be understood the Jasam fans are saints?).

    If Jamey said that Sam should be killed he is wrong. JMHO of course. We don’t need to excite the resentment of each fan base more than it is now.

    But honestly to read the past few days how some Jasam fans kept writing again and again stuff like “I can’t wait for Liz to be gone” or “Good riddance, when is she leaving again?”, “So happy that Jake is going to be killed” and bla bla bla, I don’t think any fanbase can give lesson to the other.

    There are currently black sheeps and classless fans in both camps.
    But I must confess I was tempted to call today some of the Jasam fans at SID who had been so disgusting lately and laugh at their face for their pathetic comments.
    I said SOME, not ALL Jasam fans.
    And I said TEMPTED. But I didn’t.
    But my frustration at seeing some fans gloating the past weeks about an actress being fired was huge believe me. And to me, the “we are doing it because the Liason fans did it before when KeMo was negotiating” is NOT an excuse.

    My mother always told me that it is the brightest one who stops first. Apparently each fanbase hosts a group of vicious and petty women. But to believe that one fanbase behaves better than the other one? You will have huge trouble to convince me of that.

  45. Avatar of
    tamela

    JAQ, and EET it’s interesting that you both should speak out the way you are because I’ve been lurker on soap gossip boards for the better part of 4 years, and never made one comment until the last several days. Maybe I’m a cynic, but from where I sit, not only do fans love their wars, they are more fickle than they profess. I admit that it is a little twisted to be curious as to who will be out next, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn’t. While I’m really glad that RH is back, there are GH characters that I like more than others. Why be a pollyanna about it? While I personally wouldn’t interest myself in a Jasam/liasam type fight, if you ask who I would cut if I were the EP of GH and had to make tough choiced, I’d tell ya.

  46. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    No Aramis I dont believe the jasam fans are saints, far from it, and I think its insane. I had hoped the ONE good thing that would have come from Liz leaving the canvas was an end to the warring fanbases. Thats just my personal fatigue. No person should wish for someone to lose their job just for sport and I am sure some JaSam fans did just that (although how many of us have said I am glad they recast x character with Y or why dont they recast so and so with my suggested person – which is kind of wishing someone to lose their job). But for those that gloated, shame on them too. I havent seen much of it directly – maybe because I am rarely on twitter – I didnt see any of that nonsense on the GH fb thread and very little of it on dc.

    I am just saying that its hard to be happy for someone else (my Liz friends like you) when it might negatively effect what I actually have long waited for on screen (a JaSam family) or when the other names being bandied about as possible cuts are actors I consider to be some of my favorites (Alexis, Johnny, Tracy) when the background chatter isnt HOORAY we got our girl but rather NOW WE DEMAND…Sam killed…Liason reunited…I dont care who else gets fired. SOME not all sound like they have hostages and are giving their list of demands on twitter. Its difficult from an emotional perspective not to feel like throwing my hands up in the air and saying GREAT, now am I NOT going to get what I want because I didnt write 52 million letters to ABC? I almost feel like the runner up in the Miss America Pagent, having to smile and hug when I just may have lost out on the crown.

  47. Avatar of shancy
    shancy

    i am really glad Becky Herbst is staying I enjoy her performances but I think they have destroyed the Liz character and would play better if she now plays Sarah and up a Sarah/Lucky/Siobhan triangle.

  48. Avatar of js3557
    js3557

    I read all of Jamey’s tweets today. He clearly said that he was joking about Sam dying. He straight out said that he wants Sam on the show as a conniving vixen like early Rachel on Another World. It’s no secret that the man loves Liason (smart man!), but it’s wrong to take only a few of his tweets out of context and condemn him.

    As for the the fan wars, there are normal and crazy people on both sides of this war. FOr every crackpot Liason fan that sends mean tweets to Kelly’s mother there is a crackpot Jasam fan that threatens Becky’s kids(yes, that did happen in 2007). THe best thing to do is to ignore all the crackpots and be civil with one another.

  49. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Tamela I am actually usually far more interested in talking history or what the show did wrong or right in a given episode or where the story should go than the fan wars, but not even the fans wars so much as it is the personal anti-becky, anti-kelly stuff that is so disturbing and honestly exhausting.

    I am also sure you could give your list with who to cut, and I could to IF I had to, but I would probably get accused of wishing someone fired which isnt the case. If it was my choice I would look for any and every way I could to get to the magic bottom line number without firing anyone. THAT would be my first choice plan.

  50. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Why be a pollyanna about it?
    ************************************
    I have been called alot of things in life, pollyanna is not one of them.
    Can and will you give me specifics as to what you are talking about?
    Because if you are lurking the boards, you know me. I don’t hold back.
    So when calling names, please back up with specifics.
    Thank You.

  51. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    So JS let me get this straight. Becky as Liz (and by extension her fans) have been treated unfairly because for “years” she has been written in a negative light and she should be written “correctly” as the “good girl” WE ALL love and to say hey maybe she should go a little dark is wrong because thats just more negative light, more unfairness and more OOC

    BUT

    wishing that Sam becomes an early rachel cory style vixen is not treating Kelly as Sam (and by extension HER fans) unfairly and isnt writing the character incorrectly since she apparently isnt the heroine that saved the metro court hostages, nor is she the heroine that tackled the text message killer and fought him off when Alexis was in danger, nor the heroine that fended off Anthony’s henchmen, saving carly and assisting in Alexis’s rescue – she isnt the heroine WE ALL love and writing her with no redeeming qualities (which is how VW described her own character in the early days) would NOT be OOC.

    This is the inconsistency that I object to. Its always been the argument that stories would be better if character x;s story was given in whole cloth to Liz. I certainly dont want to be rooting for that version of sam and that isnt the sam thats been on my screen for years. Jamey may be joking but he might as well kill her off if that is how he would write her.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_World_(TV_series)

  52. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    I read some of Jamey’s tweets and I don’t think it was so bad. He was telling “his story” from what I could see. It even said in one of the posts he wouldn’t kill Sam as he would make her into I don’t somebody…sorry the name didn’t mean anything to me. LOL

    I have told stories how I wish certain characters could be written and written off the show. I might not have went far enough in the tweets but he is not attacking Kelly. I think the characters are ok to talk about, as I have said a few nasty things about Liz also. and I don’t think I am going to stop sayin them as she is a character on a soap that I hate,dislike and hope she gets her comeuppance and I can hate her all I want. I try not to bring BH into any of my “rants about Liz”.

    A few of us have said who could be gotten rid of as we believe this show is very cast heavy. I think newbies and a few older vets like TG but I don’t pray for their job to end but as in a business I have been in the postion to fire people and it is hard and you have to look at all the different why’s and what nots. Watching soaps as a fan I can be vocal but I am glad I am not in the postion to make those hard choices but I can put my thoughts out there.

    Keep that seat warm on the Liz bus. I’m packing a bag. Unless she turns bad then I am going to be a cheerleader for this bad ass Liz .

    EDITED to ADD: I changed “All of us” to “A few of us have said who could be gotten rid of”. It is not all of us that said it. just a few of us. LOL

  53. Avatar of Mia22
    Mia22

    What a bummer. I thought GH had finally done something to make me happy. Nope! Guess I’m continuing to watch scenes only on YouTube so I can avoid that grating character.

  54. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    Oohhh is that who Jamey mentioned Rachel Cory. When Robin Strasser was playing Rachel or the last one? I loved to hate Robins Rachel. Loved that show. When she kept trying to get Steve Frame and come between him and Alice. and I loved the other one playing Rachel (Victoria Wynham or something like that) who married Mac as she had grown which is the way Sam has grown also. Sam had her time to be the Old Rachel and now she is on to the New Rachel all grown up.

  55. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Yes but he wants her old style, love to hate, evil trying to bust up the fated Liason love, but when writers go in the opposite direction – that Liz is the vixen mixing up paternity results snarking at brooke and Sam and Siobhan we hear thats UNFAIR. For me, Sam is the heroine on the show – aside from the crappy add in backstory and the six months in 07 she was always the first to turn down jasons money, going it alone when she had to, risking for others etc. Liz was a trouble maker, then a good girl and then she reverted to trouble maker. She is the girl that protected ric knowing courtney could die, the one that called out carly for lying about ric raping her and never apologized, the one that left zander for dead just to get her own way and then let her bffs twist in the wind for the crime she thought she had committed. The girl that wedged herself in between jason and sam and then lied lied and lied some more whenever it suited her agenda for the day. The girl that used her kids to get lucky to cover up her dui. All of the Niz stuff and her interactions with siobhan and brooke – all of that is totally IN character even if its negative, and if jake dies that would make sense if it spurred her to act on that side of her nature even more. The character more likely to be love to hate, old rachel is Liz, not sam.

  56. Avatar of
    tamela

    Nobody wants anybody to lose their job. But curiousity is thrust upon us by rumors of budget cuts. I’ve watched GH for 35 years, never once having sent one fan letter, or until noe, joining an an online community. The real reason I joined DC (other than finally giving myself permission to chat about GH), is because like others, I’ve heard rumors that NLG is next to go. I’m still pissed that Bobbie and Monica are gone, and I’ll never get over the loss of Laura, but the loss of Alexis would wipe me out. I’d be done. You can’t keep taking away the mothers. So if that means that at some point I say that Alexis means more to me than Spinelli then tough shit!

  57. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Tamela to be clear I am perfectly cool with that and honestly would totally choose Alexis over spinelli if it came down to that choice. In fact I would choose Alexis over a lot of the other cast members. But when some posters have said that its about budget theres this sense that its being wished for becky to be gone. I hear this news and I want to be happy for my friends that love Liz, but I also have the jitters that they could axe Jane, Brandon or Nancy. I would take all 3 of their characters over liz. Thats just MY preference.

  58. Avatar of
    tamela

    JAQ, I’m so sorry. I wasn’t calling you or anybody else a Pollyanna. I was thinking about in terms of why I should hold back despite what anybody else may think. I don’t feel at all chastised for lurking. Lots of people are shy when it comes to jumping in to these conversations. Sorry if the, “pollyanna,” bit came out wrong.

  59. Avatar of maxsmom
    maxsmom

    I think announcing the hire of Erin Chambers the day after announcing the firing of RH tells us everything we need to know about budget cuts, it was an easy answer for TIIC to give for the firing of a beloved veteran and it held as much water as a collander. Most of us knew before Susan Lucci appeared on Oprah, that she had taken a paycut, and most of us were aware of Eric Braeden’s battle against taking a paycut on Y&R and though Days is the one soap still on air that I have never watched, I know the firing of Deidre Hall and Drake Hogestyn still rankles, these people were are the centerpieces of their shows but Rebecca Herbst’s salary is the first salvo in GH’s war against rising costs?

    As for heros/heroines vs. villans/villanesses? it’s all in the eye of the beholder, I have never responded to Sam as a character on this show because of her introduction in a story about which I didn’t care and pairing with Jax another character to whom I had briefly liked in the second pairing with Brenda but otherwise yawn. I feel the same way about Nik, he could have gone the way of the other Cassadines except Alexis. Only Guza could have written the most boring triangle in soap history: Nik/Courtney/Jax, who’s the dadday? who cares? Soaps casts are huge, there are those we love, those we hate (I don’t hate anyone on GH right now, and thought I’ll never like Carly, or Sonny, their actions lately seem more misguided than evil) and there are characters I neither love nor hate.

    As for Liz, I can understand everything until Niz and beyond that feels like plot rather than character as though Guza were simply playing and cheating at a game of chess simply moving the pieces where he saw fit without regard for rhyme, reason, or rules of the game.

  60. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Maxsmom I just said this to someone – I dont get why guza didnt sit everyone done say this is the cut I have to make, this is what I saved on the production side and I need to either a. cut some of you or b. cut everyone x percent. Let the cast decide if they want to stand united or take their chance that the sink individually.

    The only thing I will say about becky is we dont know that was the first person he decided to target. We know she was the first one apparently fired. I know a number of actors took steep cuts. I know some may bolt instead, just like regis did (so not just soaps but all of abcd) If you look around the canvas right now, her only story is the reveal of aiden as luckys and standing at the nurses station. Of the big salaries, she seemed to be an easy one to cut for that reason. I think TC would be in that same category but they might have been waiting to see what happened with his pilot as an easier exit. Ditto ba – his pilot gets picked up, spin leaves on a book tour, Lucky could leave the police force and use his computer skills at McCall and Spencer PIs. Conversely, lets say you write out nlg, now what do you do with molly and kristina? Is sam now their guardian – could she reasonably be written doing that with a difficult pregnancy or would that detract from the preg. story. Then you would also have pay CH money (since she is recurring) to do all the legal work. Its just not as easy of a cut. Even Jane, then why the heck is luke just hanging out unless you write out jane and pair luke with alexis, but then you have one less q for mayas big story.

  61. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    Erica At one time I also wanted Sam to be all out bad but Sam has grown and moved on. I do miss that in her though. I am not crazy about Sam settling.

    I agree about Liz’s character. I have always seen her this way. A few days she comes across as sweet and holier than thou but most days she is the trouble maker only so much sneakier now. I will be on the Liz fan band wagon if they get straight to the point and write her as what you and I see. The turning point for my dislike of Liz was when she was in the crypt with Zander, she wanted Jason. Jason goes to her aprtment and finds her and Zander. That turned me off on her and any connection to Jason. Then when she and Rick made Zander sign over his parental rights to Cam and she hit him over the head and left him to die in the fire. Oh yeah it turned to full pledge hate then.

    I see Jamey’s story telling as fan fic like so many boards have. I think Liz is the bad egg as she is better at hiding her faults, Sam to me is to “in your face” and wants to “get it out in open and over with” and “lets pull the gloves off and go at it now” where as Liz is better at keeping her secrets and hides the truth. Liz is still in the postion she has always been in. She hasn’t changed. She still is playing games with everyones mind. I think we will really get an eyeful here pretty soon.

    We aren’t going to change anyones minds and they aren’t changing ours. All Sam fans can do and Liz fans can do is state your opinions and the way you perceive it. and hang on to your hats as it will get either “good” or “nasty good”.

    I am so ready for this as I did not want Liz to leave and have no one to vent and hate on. LOL I do love my venting and Brenda is so not worth my time. I think it is going to be good times for me. But if everything turns out sugary sweet for Liz then I will be so disappointed as it will be so boring. I think I may be rooting for her to get with Lucky as that is where I think they will go.

    Oh BTW did anyone see where Tylers show has been picked up. He may be leaving or staying and working for both shows as it is ABC for both of them’ “FULL SEASON PICK UP FOR TYLER’S THE LYING GAME”

  62. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Marezi you know your my gal and maybe I shouldnt have lumped him in, but his fan fic came in the same environment as I was reading stuff like this

    http://twitter.com/#!/Crispy829

    note this posters comments about kellys looks, how she should go back to being a bunny but she cant because shes too ugly now, how are the jalamers taking this, rebecca should get the dwts treatment and she would win without a revote and the best one – the whole sos schtick where Liz and jason are the moral pairing to chose and anything else is sticking to glorifing sleaze.

  63. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    Instead of firing talented actors, why not get rid of middle management and allow the EP and HW to co-run each soap? Is there really a need for CGI, big budget stunts (like the bus accident!)and massive advertising for little to no pay off?

    Liz is a legacy character and should not be pushed aside because someone over at ABCD doesn’t know how to manage their budget. Yes, the economy is horrible, but you would think once Brenda’s return turned out to be a bomb that they would stop with the crazy bus stunts that don’t pay off or drive additional story.

    As far as story for Liz, she has 2 paternity secrets, her rapist could have been released on an early parole, she could be a Counselor at the rape crisis center and works with Michael. She’s an artist, mother, and nurse. Liz can be involved in hospital and mob stories. The character is not limited to WTD story lines.

    Erica Slezak is about to celebrate 40 years next month with OLTL. Susan Lucci has been with AMC for 40 years. These women have not been pushed away for “story dictated” reasons and neither should RH. Viki, Erica and Liz are ALL legacy characters on their particular soaps.

  64. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    The turning point for my dislike of Liz was when she was in the crypt with Zander, she wanted Jason. Jason goes to her aprtment and finds her and Zander.
    ======
    RH told the writers that her character would never be with Zander and JFP ordered the Liz/Zander sex. Note: I read about this a few years ago from someone who went to a RH fan event.

  65. Avatar of mipeony
    mipeony

    I like both Sam and Liz, in their own ways. I honestly wish both of them would get good storylines away from Jason, but I think we all know that’s not going to happen. I’d love for GH to steal ME away from OLTL and bring him to GH for a triangle with Sam and Jason and he could actually play a character with some depth again, but that probably won’t happen either.

    I hate to see anyone get fired, so I’m glad she’s not getting fired. I gotta say though, that was a huge public slap in the face they gave her letting her go like they did… I’m surprised she would want to come back to a place that would do that to her. But, steady incomes are sometimes more important than one’s sense of self. I know that first hand.

    Maybe if TC leaves, they could put her with Jax (if the actor that plays him doesn’t get the axe now that him and Carly look like they’re splitsville)… He needs a steady family for once. And let’s face it, even if Carly doesn’t want Jax, she’s not going to want Liz to have him. So there could be tons of drama there! Or bring on a hot new doctor for her.

  66. Avatar of js3557
    js3557

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]So JS let me get this straight. Becky as Liz (and by extension her fans) have been treated unfairly because for “years” she has been written in a negative light and she should be written “correctly” as the “good girl” WE ALL love and to say hey maybe she should go a little dark is wrong because thats just more negative light, more unfairness and more OOC

    BUT

    wishing that Sam becomes an early rachel cory style vixen is not treating Kelly as Sam (and by extension HER fans) unfairly and isnt writing the character incorrectly since she apparently isnt the heroine that saved the metro court hostages, nor is she the heroine that tackled the text message killer and fought him off when Alexis was in danger, nor the heroine that fended off Anthony’s henchmen, saving carly and assisting in Alexis’s rescue – she isnt the heroine WE ALL love and writing her with no redeeming qualities (which is how VW described her own character in the early days) would NOT be OOC.

    This is the inconsistency that I object to. Its always been the argument that stories would be better if character x;s story was given in whole cloth to Liz. I certainly dont want to be rooting for that version of sam and that isnt the sam thats been on my screen for years. Jamey may be joking but he might as well kill her off if that is how he would write her.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_World_(TV_series)/quote
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    EET – I really don’t know where this came from. I wasn’t writing about characters being written OOC or about which way the writers should go with Liz and Sam. I merely pointed out that Jamey wasn’t seriously calling for Sam’s death….he wants her on the show.

    And by the way…Sam came on this show as a con artist, she slept with two men on the same night, threatened to abort her baby, tried to kidnap a little girl who was not hers, slept with her cancer stricken mother’s husband, and endangered 2 little kids on more than one occasion. Sam has never been the “good girl”. Whereas Liz, except for her little stunts as a teen pre-rape, has been the “good girl”. She has made mistakes, but nothing compared to the level of Sam. A few rights don’t make Sam a “good girl” and a few wrongs don’t make Liz the “bad girl”.

    And why kill off Sam if she is going to be the “bad girl”? Soaps have always had the character you love to hate. They are usually the most popular characters and are given the meaty material. What’s wrong with that? I think that Kelly plays the “bad girl” much better than she plays the “good girl”. Just like, for example, Natalia Livingston could never play a “bad girl” (IMHO).

  67. Avatar of maxsmom
    maxsmom

    I love NLG as much as I love RH/Liz, KMc/Robin, and even more than I love BBa/Johnny and I wouldn’t want to lose any of them and as someone who was layed off of a job I loved so that the company would be more attractive to buyers, I know that layed off hurts emotionally as much as fired.

    And by the by, lower budgets can lead to creativity which GH could use.

  68. Avatar of elc914
    elc914

    Congrats to Becky! I just now hope they will write for her. Give the girl a good storyline and not one that involves jake dying. I will be soooo mad if thats the case.

    Can’t wait to read more news of this. I would love to hear from her though I still don’t trust those idiots in charge.

  69. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    Just wanted to add my two cents:

    In regards to the fanbase wars made known on page 3 of this thread, I have to agree with both aramis and EET. I try not to stick my nose in too much in regards to sides, but the back and forth on Twitter and the nasty comments on the ABC-SID website are just nerve-wracking. It’s clear that just from reading a few posts from folks on other sites that there’s enough crazies on both sides of the fence to make us sane ones few and far between.

    I have friends on both sides, so I just want to say that though I’m glad Becky’s staying, I don’t want the insane fanwars to continue in the manner they have. People are threatening people and it’s going too far. This is an actress on a TV show. I hated when I found out the original news because I love Becky and she had just lost her job, but I would never think to take that out on someone I either didn’t know or hardly knew just because they don’t share my preference of character. I don’t condone that, and I know others on both sides who don’t condone it either, cause it’s a definite headache. Just remember, it’s individuals who are loopty-loop. Luckily, they don’t represent all of us. Most of us on DC can be respectful to one another. Well, there are a few feather rufflers, but they’ve been pretty quiet as of late, lol. That said, I certainly don’t want another person sacrificed in the same manner. I personally never hoped for that and I know others don’t want that either. All we can wish for is better writing across the board. That’s what I think many of us are hoping for.

    And shancy, I must respectfully disagree with Becky as Sarah. I couldn’t take that. I hated that character. I didn’t mind the actresses, but I thought both versions were boring, and if soaps can attempt to redeem rapists, murderers, baby snatchers like Adam on Y&R, cheaters–that would include just about everyone on every soap ever–and all of the above, I think a character like Liz can take the heat and still come out of the oven fully cooked instead of half-baked, lol! :bigsmile:

    [quote] JFP ordered the Liz/Zander sex. [/quote]

    Not surprised. Folks are still pissed off at her stupid decision to kill off GL’s Maureen and still accuse her solely of AW’s Frankie demise.

    And since it was mentioned already, I’ll piggyback: Natalia was a terrible bad girl. I couldn’t stand the character of Rebecca, from beginning to end, because it was so terribly executed and she wasn’t even really bad! Wearing a leather jacket and hat and trying to look mean all the time at your current boyfriend’s ex wife does not make you bad. She was just annoying. Natalia does good-girl better. And I love Natalia to death, she’s as sweet as pie and as beautiful as all get out, but she just can’t play a bad girl to save her life.

  70. Avatar of syworld82
    syworld82

    This smells REALLY fishy… I dont know if its because she was fired and we heard nothing and then BAM shes back again..

    She was supposedly fired for storyline reasons and something tells me she was hired back to advance another storyline.

    I really dont think they were ever listening to the fans, if anything Maurice and cast were the ones that saved that poor girls job..

    I do agree with some other posters that someone else is going to get fired in lieu of her being hired back.. WHO IS IT.. TBA…

  71. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Kelly played the bad girl AND the good girl successfully on PC. As for Sam, except for the hotel fire sleeping with two guys stuff, the abortion and the con artist past that was suppose to be a past that was a. forced on her by her parents or b. forced on her by the abusive boyfriend and c. she had done for her brother and for the boat so she could be free of it all, the rest of the stuff you mentioned all happened during the character assassination of 07. If one WTD storyline and thinking about having an abortion makes you the bad girl then the whole canvas is nothing but bad girls.

    my point to your post was that when I said it would be good story for liz to go dark if they kill off jake, I got push back on it how that was ooc and abusive to the fans, then liz fans like jamey say make sam the villain and I am told to see that as a good meaty thing. HUH? if its such a good meaty opportunity for a character to be dark, then how come liz fans hate her manipulating the hell out of nik or jason and getting in one of the womens face? Of course you want that for sam – thats what y’all want because that frees jason to be with liz and for sam to be the nuisance bug flying around. It reduces her to being the Lisa to their scrubs. Thats not who sam is now, its not who she ever was except for that 3 or 4 month assasination to prop Jiz, and its not wrong for me to want my favorites written IN CHARACTER. Plus it negates everything thats been on screen for the last year – that Jason is happy to be back with Sam, that she is his priority and comes FIRST, that they are stronger now than ever. Why would sam turn villianous when she has it all – the career she wants, the relationship she wants, the mother and sisters shes always wanted, the friends and now to complete the picture the baby shes long long long wanted.

    I am not afraid kelly will get fired or laid off, I am fatigued by the gloating from SOME fans that feel they forced this and now they are going to force liason on tptb. And I am worried for JE, BBr, and NLG. I think Nancy will ultimately be fine, but losing either of the other two would break my heart. I would still watch, which i guess dimishes my hold over tptb and I wont write a bazillon letters, but it would make me as sad and disappointed as liz fans were over becky.

  72. Avatar of maxsmom
    maxsmom

    EET, the gathering of the group wouldn’t work because we don’t know anyone’s salary level, I mean who would have thought that after the first paycut Eric Braeden was still making 1.5 million dollars? Steve Burton’s most recent contract seemed to go down to the wire and we know ABC sent out a casting call and said it was the norm during Kelly Monaco’s last negotiation. Do SBu and MB make the same or is one making more, are KeMo and LW making as much as the guys or each other? Are those four the top of the heap or is VMG getting as much, where does DZ fit into the equation? What about IR and TC who seemed like leads for awhile but not so much lately? Jamey’s blind item can’t have been news to Brian Frons how long ago did he know this was coming? How many actors have joined the show since VMG returned 6 months ago? One could argue that these actors cost less money than the vets but how is that calculated? And if saving money is priority one: my question remains: why start with the supporting cast? why not make her recurring, once a week at the hospital, and occassional mentions from Nik and Lucky. The firing and I am not sure it’s going away made less sense than the reveal of Suzanne as the Balkan’s wife who had direct access to Brenda for 3 years. The only thing that could make less sense is her having kidnapped this mystery baby.

    As for what Liz could be doing I’ll defer to the suggestions many others have made that have nothing to do with hanging at the Nurse’s Station although since 90% of Lisa’s sl takes place there I wouldn’t discount it as an action packed locale. :)

  73. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Ack I give up – we can all think of a number of storylines for any character. My point is that at the moment the 50% was announced, the 3 that immediately come to mind and really I hate to say this but 4 that didnt have story that would be difficult to write them out of are nik, liz, spin and johnny. How on earth would you write lets say carly out within a month without creating storyline havoc? She suddenly hates brenda so much that she leaves her son thats in therapy and her other son thats in a cast and I guess her infant too and leaves? Short of killing her off theres little that makes sense because shes in EVERY story. Brenda is in every story. The only tricky thing with liz and nik would be the kids. Johnny and spin could be written out without disturbing much of anything. Me saying that doesnt mean that I couldnt come up with a lot of things they COULD be doing but its like a jenga puzzle, at the time those 4 were at storyline odds where they could be easily pulled out of the equation logically.

    Fan 4-Now thanks for a great post. AMEN.

  74. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    EET:
    Marezi you know your my gal and maybe I shouldnt have lumped him in, but his fan fic came in the same environment as I was reading stuff like this
    note this posters comments about kellys looks, how she should go back to being a bunny but she cant because shes too ugly now, how are the jalamers taking this, rebecca should get the dwts treatment and she would win without a revote and the best one – the whole sos schtick where Liz and jason are the moral pairing to chose and anything else is sticking to glorifing sleaze.
    =================================================

    These are the kinds of fans that are not good for any actor in my opinion. These are the types that lead to Becky having threats against her family or Kelly having to have body guards because people threaten bodily harm or the stalking of David Letterman, John Cusack and so many others.
    These are also the type of people I would not read any of their tweets or engage them on twitter or Facebook. I hope I never know anyone that far removed from the real world. I have read a few posts on other sites and it gets ugly. That is when I back out of the room. I get mouthy enough as it is and I don’t need to be around that because the hate does grow, it is like mass hsyteria. I have to step away. This place is one of the nicer places to post. Not so much hate here. Theres some (me included sometimes) but nothing like some other sites.

    As many hateful remarks about Sam/Kelly, and Liz/Becky there are just as many good ones too. I sometimes forget what my mother tried to teach me, when I would say something negative she always made me say something nice too. Even if it was “She wears nice shoes”. (I really hated that, LOL)

  75. Avatar of maxsmom
    maxsmom

    the one consolation of RH leaving was my confidence that she would find work and she could finally escape the Wrath of B.F. Frons and so if the writing is going to remain the same, I will not be happy, I don’t have specifics as some others but bad writing is like pornography: I know it when I see it.

    as for JE and BBr, JE also deserves better writing and a story that doesn’t wash, rinse, repeat with each TG vacation and return, it already feels as though she is on recurring which is ridic for an actress who used to drive story on this show

    now my feelings for BBr are different: this should have been an arc for which she was hired for a finite period of time and therefore Lisa leaving for “storyline dictated reasons” would have made sense and still would unless Lisa is given one of those rewrites about which we keep hearing; I don’t think it would have qualified as a firing though now that she has a contract, it would

  76. Avatar of
    tamela

    Erica took the words out of my mouth: “At the moment they announced the 50%…” It doesn’t matter if it isn’t GH that got the slash, because the point is from that point on my thinking changed forever. And it’s sad, too. The other day I read an MSN article in which VMG bragged that her wedding dress was by Oscar de La Renta. That pissed me off. And what is that statue in Sonny’s office? Is that a beaver? Can they get their money back for that? And oh my gosh, I can’t believe I’m actually going to say this…Hold on, I have to work myself up for it…if TIIC really want to send a message, it starts with Anthony Geary. Don’t get me wrong, AG is THE very best actor in daytime, and his body of work is brilliant. But if would be outrageous for him to NOT retire, and continue to get away with the stuff he does now. 50% is enough to make a fan take notice!

  77. Avatar of Kazy24
    Kazy24

    Apparently I need to get on more to keep up with the back and forths!

    First off, I would LOVE to see Jason and Liz paired together again and I am not sorry for having that opinion. If RH is truly staying and they give her character a great s/l to work with, there is always a possibility that it could happen again. Doesn’t mean it will. But there is also the possiblity that Jason and Sam will part ways with out the reunion of Liason. It’s a soap after all.

    Soap couples rarely last forever. Last time Jason and Liz were together they professed their love for each other many times over (as I recall) and talked about not loving anyone else the way they had ever loved each other and were even going to get married. Then tragedy strikes and one thing leads to another and they suddenly have NOTHING to do with each other. That is pure crap. They went from loving one another so much it hurts one day to not even knowing the other exists the next day. Then Jason is suddenly into Sam again. I call BS there just because Liz does have history with Jason and a child. It is crap that they just suddenly stopped communicating for several years. They were friends before they became a couple and it really irritated me that they suddenly didn’t exist to each other, even as friends.

    TPTB know that these are two popular couples and they use that to their advantage. So Jason is with Sam right now- I don’t like it and I never will. That doesn’t mean I am being hateful towards the actors/actresses involved or wishing for Sam to be killed off or written out. It’s just not my cuppa! But lets be honest here- Jasam fans (most anyways) would be wishing for Liason’s split should that couple find their way back again. It doesn’t mean they are hating on the people playing the characters. They are just not digging the fictional couple.

    I am sad to see (on both sides) that there are some people that take their love for FICTIONAL characters so far as to threaten the people playing them. That is just sick and unneeded. From what I understand KeMo and RH are friends offset.

    Liz has made errors and bad judgments just like every other soap diva ever written. I can see her being catty, but downright evil or hateful? Nope. I am also rather distressed that she is being written as the type to mess with someone else’s pregnancy. While she may have cheated or been a hellraiser she would NOT put an innocent child at risk, especially since she knows the pain of losing a child herself. I think good girl Sam does have redeeming qualities, but everytime she goes out to help someone or do something independent and heroic she ends up getting hurt, kidnapped, or attacked in some other way. I mean the woman wears heels to stakeouts…I just don’t get heroine from that, but that is my opinion. That being said I actually find her watchable when she interacts with her mother and sisters.

    Liz shouldn’t have to be bad for Sam to be good and vice versa. We have Carly to be somewhat of a bad girl running around scheming with her ridiculous plots and butting into everyone else’s affairs (this is not a shot at Carly fans at all-she is just eccentric and entertaining to watch that way). Liz and Sam should be able to be their own characters without TPTB dragging one or the other through the mud.

    Lastly, I must apologize for the quality of the post- it is late :)

  78. Avatar of
    JAQ

    MY Take on all this……….

    Budget cuts forced them to fire RH? BULL.
    AG works 6 months out of the year. For a hefty amount it was reported.
    VM I can guarantee was lured back with BIG $) $) $)
    Sonny, Jason, Carly ARE the show. So we know they are getting paid big bucks.

    I am NOT a fan of RH. I am a fan of Jason, Sonny, Carly. However, like any corporation RH firing had nothing to do with “budget cuts”. What happened to her is what happens in corporate america all across the country.
    TPTB took a good look at their #’s and realized they need RH. Probably more than she needed them.
    I hope she holds out for not only a huge raise, but a contract to make TPTB look even stupider than they are.

  79. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    EET, if you Google Rachel Davis, you will see that she was one of the most popular chracters of all time. Kelly has the same dark, smoldering good looks as a young Robin Strasser, who played the part. The Rachel character was created by Agnes Nixon, who borrowed from her then unsold All My Children bible and was based on a little known character called Erica Kane, so yeah, I don’t think my suggested Sam be written like a young Rachel Davis would be a detriment to the character. Furthermore, Rachel actually became so popular that she was redeemed by the love of Mac Cory and became the show’s top heroine. I have never bought Sam as a heroine the way GH has written her, but no, I would never get rid of her because I know she’s popular and so is Kemo. I have always said I want Sam and Liz pitted against each other.

    Thanks to all the peeps who read ALL my tweets and came back here to clearly show I was making a joke storyline about Jason and Johnny opening fire on Sam (as if that would ever happen, seriously) and that I would want to morph her into a love to hate villainess.

  80. Avatar of TheCreamTeam
    TheCreamTeam

    I want this to be true and moreover, I want this to be indicative of the powers that be finally seeing the show is more than just mob. There were plenty of active fan who love Elizabeth with Nik, Lucky, Jason, or just as a mother on the show… But the distinct thing is she isn’t JUST tied to the mob but rather is one of those rare characters with ties on ALL SIDES of GH from hospital to mob, from Spencer to Cassidine, Jacks to Corinthos, from PCPD to ELQ and so on.

    Her story lines were never limited to point she had to be written off. On the contrary, her rich history and ties to so many means her story lines could be UNLIMITED.

  81. Avatar of jmoney
    jmoney

    Congrats to Becky and her fans, hopefully Becky’s upcoming storylines will be pleasing to you.

    I would like to echo Marezi, and say that I hope all the Becky fans turn on their TVs now. If you turned off your TV when we thought Becky was leaving, please turn your TV back on now that she’s staying.

    While I feel like this could be a positive for GH, I hope that we all remember that as a result of this one or more of our actors will probably be leaving the show in Becky’s place. That is sad and unfortunate, but true. The actors that could leave have fans that are just as passionate as Becky’s fans…

    As far as the Liz / Sam debate, it baffles me. Really and truly. One does not have to be good, and one does not have to be bad. Just like in life, there are shades of gray. That’s ok. Legacy characters are generally on soaps for such a long period of time, that odds are they are going to do something that is a little less than ethical. Nature of the biz. Just because they do does not mean they are written out of character or incorrectly. Hell, Becky came on this show 14 years ago. Are any of us the same person that we were 14 years ago? I sure as hell am not. Have Idone things that I regret, and that others may not agree with? Absolutely.

    The question I always ask myself is are the character’s actions believable. Not necessarily if I think they are right or wrong, but do the make sense given the character’s history? As long as that is being done, then eventually every character will cycle through times as a villain or hero. Bottom line is, if someone is on a soap for 14 years, and they are going to grow and interact with a canvas of characters in a realistic way, this is a necessity.

    Stereotyping Liz or Sam as good or bad is counterproductive, one-dimensional, and boring. Shades of gray, shades of gray.

  82. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    J hold on to your seat. I agree with your last post. I also want to compliment you on how you wrote and presented it. No one can possibly be upset with this post of yours. :-) Your post makes a lot of good points.

  83. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    I would like to echo Marezi, and say that I hope all the Becky fans turn on their TVs now. If you turned off your TV when we thought Becky was leaving, please turn your TV back on now that she’s staying.

    =================================

    Thanks jmoney.
    I really hope they (Liz fans) do but I have a bad feeling that if they dont’ see Liz written like they want they are going to turn out and it is going to bite people in the ass (including the show, actors on this show and yes even Becky). So it comes down to are they really Beckys fan or a fan that wants the show to be exactly what they want and to hell with everything else.Hmmm?
    Like that joke,
    “I want what I want when I want it”,
    “You will get what I got when I get it”.

    We shall see. But I am not holding my breath as I think to many are geared up for a miracle and I don’t think we will get one. Am I a debbie downer, maybe. So I will enjoy what I can when I can.

  84. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    I just wanted to share my joy of this news. It literally made my day. Becky fans succeeded in their efforts and this shows that audience’s voice do matter and that choice of fans on the show, does count. It makes me, as a Becky/Liz fan feel humbled. I do recognize tptb’s wise decision to right this wrong and bring Becky back. I just do not get the delay there is for official release of this news, and I know they are trying to come up with some cover for their reason for this, but we all know that they made a mistake. It would make me respect them more if they actually admitted that they made one.
    The longer the delay, the longer there is a building of a feeling that’s opposite of that.
    I also wanted to comment on jmoney’s comment above about RH. This, imo, was a bad decision to begin with, and tptb has finally recognized that. If there’s anything budget-wise, then they should quit hiring newbies, as it contradicts the 2nd cover they gave for RH’s exit. The 1st being is B.S. of s/l dictated when Liz has much more of a story to tell and I have sent some of my own ideas, to them as well. This is tptb wising up and recognizing the voice of fans and something where agenda sometimes, as well, can be undermined.
    Now, back to the article, I really hope now that they give Liz a storyline of her own, that all of us can see her in. I hope that she can play a part in Michael’s storyline, which could be good if tptb gave it a try. The trashing of her character hopefully stops and she is given a good character-integrated storyline. She could have a love interest in someone like Ronnie, which could be interesting.
    Congrats to all Becky/Liz fans, we’ve set an example that others could follow. Now, fingers crossed for ABC’S press release.

  85. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Nice post J.
    There are 3 major characters that IMO are leaving the show, with or without RH staying or going status.
    As long as they aren’t one of my fav’s I am fine with that!!

  86. Avatar of
    JAQ

    I really hope they (Liz fans) do but I have a bad feeling that if they dont’ see Liz written like they want they are going to turn out and it is going to bite people in the ass (including the show, actors on this show and yes even Becky).
    ********************************************
    Liz’s fans will tune in. Whichever way she is written. They were content when she was written poorly, so they have nothing to compare a good storyline to. They will be content if the character doesn’t change.
    I also wonder, how many people actually turned off their TV’s. :~

    As far as the other actors on the show, the lead ones’ will have no impact on RH performance or storyline.(Sonny, Jason, Carly, Icky Dante, Lulu) They basically are GH and everyone else is a “side job”.
    I don’t see the other character’s suffering due to Liz. Liz is merely a ‘sidekick” on the show.

  87. Avatar of JasonMorganIsAHottie
    JasonMorganIsAHottie

    So glad TBTB came to their senses in this instance and are retaining Becky. Now they need to give Liz a strong story. I also, hope they don’t kill off Jake, there’s way too much material there. I’d love it if Liz hooked up with Jax, that would drive Carly all kinds of insane!

  88. Avatar of jmoney
    jmoney

    Marezi – Couldn’t have said it better, so I’m not going to try :beer:

    Saher – I see your point, but obviously, there are certain storylines I would keep Liz out of. The character has enough unresolved history that if we just get some closure in that way, I think it would do wonders for the character, and then free her up to pursue new things on the show.

    My fear is that some people will view this as Jiz or bust, and if they don’t get that they’ll be upset, or if they see Liz look crosseyed at someone its outside of character, and at that point, we’ve begun down the slippery slope.

  89. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    [quote=TheCreamTeam]I want this to be true and moreover, I want this to be indicative of the powers that be finally seeing the show is more than just mob. There were plenty of active fan who love Elizabeth with Nik, Lucky, Jason, or just as a mother on the show… But the distinct thing is she isn’t JUST tied to the mob but rather is one of those rare characters with ties on ALL SIDES of GH from hospital to mob, from Spencer to Cassidine, Jacks to Corinthos, from PCPD to ELQ and so on.
    Her story lines were never limited to point she had to be written off. On the contrary, her rich history and ties to so many means her story lines could be UNLIMITED.[/quote]

    Word for word, TheCreamTeam, I agree.
    Liz’s rape storyline, and to it have be revisited – would be such a great storyline, if tptb gave it a shot. TPTB would be given appreciation for doing that too. Here’s hoping they take what you said into consideration.

  90. Avatar of sassysdreams
    sassysdreams

    [quote=jmoney]Congrats to Becky and her fans, hopefully Becky’s upcoming storylines will be pleasing to you.[/quote]

    [quote]I would like to echo Marezi, and say that I hope all the Becky fans turn on their TVs now. If you turned off your TV when we thought Becky was leaving, please turn your TV back on now that she’s staying.[/quote]

    [quote]While I feel like this could be a positive for GH, I hope that we all remember that as a result of this one or more of our actors will probably be leaving the show in Becky’s place. That is sad and unfortunate, but true. The actors that could leave have fans that are just as passionate as Becky’s fans…[/quote]

    [quote]As far as the Liz / Sam debate, it baffles me. Really and truly. One does not have to be good, and one does not have to be bad. Just like in life, there are shades of gray. That’s ok. Legacy characters are generally on soaps for such a long period of time, that odds are they are going to do something that is a little less than ethical. Nature of the biz. Just because they do does not mean they are written out of character or incorrectly. Hell, Becky came on this show 14 years ago. Are any of us the same person that we were 14 years ago? I sure as hell am not. Have Idone things that I regret, and that others may not agree with? Absolutely.[/quote]

    [quote]The question I always ask myself is are the character’s actions believable. Not necessarily if I think they are right or wrong, but do the make sense given the character’s history? As long as that is being done, then eventually every character will cycle through times as a villain or hero. Bottom line is, if someone is on a soap for 14 years, and they are going to grow and interact with a canvas of characters in a realistic way, this is a necessity.[/quote]

    [quote]Stereotyping Liz or Sam as good or bad is counterproductive, one-dimensional, and boring. Shades of gray, shades of gray.[/quote]

    Very well said!!

  91. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    I respect your POV, jmoney, but this show, from my POV, would be much more interesting if they utilize that history for some good story-lines for Liz on this show. Most Jiz fans that I’ve seen are just happy that Becky is staying and with the possibility of a storyline of her own, with other LizFF’s too, along with fans of her other pairings, as we all collaborated together to have Becky be kept on this show. I am just happy that Becky is staying and this is really good news for all of us.

  92. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    To be clear I never said one had to be good and one had to be bad. What I am saying, and thought I said as plainly as I could before, is that I thought it would be interesting – IF they kill off jake – to take Liz even darker and let her own it for a change. I got resistance from people saying how poorly she has been written, that she IS the good girl (as if thats a fact) and in essence the attitude of a number of people is that she has to be written as “good” and that anything short of that is somehow an affront to the ACTRESS and to HER FANS.

    Whats baffling is that there also is this counter opinion – the one that jamey has long espoused – that if they keep kelly they should make her love to hate because THEY dont buy her as the good girl and that we sam fans should somehow be HAPPY if they write her like that. Jamey – may I point out that if you want Sam to be written as a young scheming Rachel Cory, the fact that they LATER redeemed her and she became uber popular after the redemption is irrelevant because thats not the version of the character you are suggesting. Even Victoria said that the early version of the character had NO redeeming qualities. So why would you tamper with a character that is ALREADY uber popular and has ALREADY been redeemed for her bad acts by the love of a good man and regress her?

    The merits of Jameys suggestion aside, what I asked is why should Sam fans be expected to be happy if she is suddenly written as a love to hate villian ala 07 but Liz fans should be pissed that she was written as cheating on lucky with his brother. You all seriously dont think that is inconsistant? I cant speak for all sam fans but most of us hated the assasination that happened in 07. The difference between Liz and Sam too is that Liz would have cause – the death of her son causing her to be bad -and then they would redeem her. Sam has everything now – why would she suddenly become love to hate? Personally I want to see her either kidnap Joss (if its a bj redo) or pulling a page from the panic room story, have her go after Sam to try and cut the child out of her or steal it on delivery. I would love to see RH and KeMo burning the house down on a scene like that – liz saying that Sam cant have jasons child if she cant and admitting she NEVER forgave sam for watching Jake getting kidnapped and sam with a knife to her throat and a belly that looks like a basketball begging for liz not to hurt her baby, trying to make some kind of bargain with the devil. That right there would be two emmy reels. But of course Liz couldnt be written like that because she has to be the “good girl” :~

  93. Avatar of diallo41
    diallo41

    Gosh…can’t we just be happy for Becky and leave it at that. Yesterday she was unemployed and today she is employed. 0:) 0:) 0:)

    I was finished with GH and now I am back so for what its worth ABC just knowing Becky is back on is making me tune in again. :party: :party: :party:

    While I will cross my fingers for a storyline for her that is atleast marginally interesting, I won’t hold my breath. :p :p :p

  94. Avatar of js3557
    js3557

    EET – I see your point. I guess the problem is that our perspectives of what is in character for Sam and Liz are just absolute polar opposites. It’s funny how people can watch the same show and see completely different things. Human nature, I guess.

    I am all for Liz getting a meaty dark story (but not Jake’s death)…I just don’t think that she would or could be evil. This is the character who turned her rapist into the police instead of shooting him dead. I could see her dealing with a child’s illness, or maybe her own illness. I can’t see her chasing after men she does not really love (Nik, Lucky) or endangering a baby (the rumors about lying about Sam’s pregnancy).

    Kazy – great post!

  95. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    EET,,,If Liz was THAT evil, don’t you think she would have not tried to help Sam escape out of the trunk of Diego’s car? Heck, she could have simply not said one word about Sam being in the trunk when Jason pulled her out of the car and let it go over the edge of the bridge. You don’t like Liz and that is not going to change now that RH has been re-hired. Liz may be snarky at times, and she smacked Zander in the head with a pipe, but trying to hurt a pregnant woman? No. Not in a million years. Faith caused Liz to lose her first child and Carly jumping in front of Jax’s car was the reason that Liz had her second miscarriage. Liz was sympathetic when Claudia lost her baby. To be honest, Liz is more liable to help someone even if she can’t stand them than to simply walk away.

  96. Avatar of Kazy24
    Kazy24

    [quote=js3557]EET – I see your point. I guess the problem is that our perspectives of what is in character for Sam and Liz are just absolute polar opposites. It’s funny how people can watch the same show and see completely different things. Human nature, I guess.

    I am all for Liz getting a meaty dark story (but not Jake’s death)…I just don’t think that she would or could be evil. This is the character who turned her rapist into the police instead of shooting him dead. I could see her dealing with a child’s illness, or maybe her own illness. I can’t see her chasing after men she does not really love (Nik, Lucky) or endangering a baby (the rumors about lying about Sam’s pregnancy).

    Kazy – great post![/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    js- Thank you! :D As for your post, I agree completely! I think it would be crazy to turn Liz into the type of woman who would willingly endanger another child’s life. Every character has the light and dark side, but being a part of harming/causing the death of a child isn’t dark- it’s pitch black and twisted. I just can’t see Liz doing that and I certainly hope the writers realize how OOC that would be for her character, even if she did lose Jake (and she better not! there is no need to kill any of the children!)

  97. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Faith was evil. My suggestion was just that if they do write Jake out, that Liz could go dark. If there was ever a thing that would make someone snap I would have to imagine that it would be the death of their child, esp. when she JUST had a break down just last year. Theres a big difference between dark and evil – dark is a state of mind, evil is more a state of being. I dont see Liz as someone who would off their grandmother let alone for some personal gain the way Faith did. For me, sam is like blair on OLTL. Direct, physical, someone who came from a horrible childhood, the caregiver who wants to protect everyone from pain even if it brings pain to themselves. They are the tragic heroines. For me, Liz is more like Jessica, someone who is capable of doing really bad things when pushed to the brink emotionally and someone who is seen by those who interact with her as fragile and in need of protecting – and just like Jess always kind of throwing herself into the next relationship with the next protector. Brenda is the Kelly Cramer or she was in her last incarnation – spunky and silly and always dreaming of the great big love thats going to change her and her life. Carly is like tea, very verbal, not afraid to throw down but not so direct about it, someone that wants to be one step ahead. Maxie is what Gigi would be if FF could act. Matt is what Rex would be if JPL could act.

    Again Diol, I would be happier for BECKY, even though I dont like LIZ, if I wasnt worried that the salary dollars they thought they were saving cost us bba, NLG or JE, and I would be happier for the Liz fans on saving their favorite if some of them werent trashing kelly, trashing sam or gloating that their big WIN was only the first step in their campaign to change the show to THEIR liking, starting with things like liason, liz becoming the centerpiece of the show, and turning sam into some character with few redeeming qualities. I am already stuck with Carly ignoring her kids and instead focusing on getting payback on brenda and dante, no monica, no alan, no story for alexis, lulu being an airhead, no laura, little tracy, johnny tied up inexplicably with lisa – you add in liason and sam as the bad guy and thats not a show I want to watch. For the record, I NEVER said I wanted becky fired, I thought that was a dumb move, but the way this went down makes me concerned for whats next because while every viewer counts, I am not going to buy 50 copies of SID to vote in a poll and I am not going to write a bunch of letters and call a bunch of times to make sure my one lone voice sounds like a roar. Does that mean my 30 years of viewing doesnt matter?

  98. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    [quote=js3557]EET – I see your point. I guess the problem is that our perspectives of what is in character for Sam and Liz are just absolute polar opposites. It’s funny how people can watch the same show and see completely different things. Human nature, I guess.
    I am all for Liz getting a meaty dark story (but not Jake’s death)…I just don’t think that she would or could be evil. This is the character who turned her rapist into the police instead of shooting him dead. I could see her dealing with a child’s illness, or maybe her own illness. I can’t see her chasing after men she does not really love (Nik, Lucky) or endangering a baby (the rumors about lying about Sam’s pregnancy).
    Kazy – great post![/quote]

    [quote=liason4real]EET,,,If Liz was THAT evil, don’t you think she would have not tried to help Sam escape out of the trunk of Diego’s car? Heck, she could have simply not said one word about Sam being in the trunk when Jason pulled her out of the car and let it go over the edge of the bridge. You don’t like Liz and that is not going to change now that RH has been re-hired. Liz may be snarky at times, and she smacked Zander in the head with a pipe, but trying to hurt a pregnant woman? No. Not in a million years. Faith caused Liz to lose her first child and Carly jumping in front of Jax’s car was the reason that Liz had her second miscarriage. Liz was sympathetic when Claudia lost her baby. To be honest, Liz is more liable to help someone even if she can’t stand them than to simply walk away.[/quote]

    Very well said, and you both make some very good points. Liz is the one who saved Jason’s life when he was bleeding in that snow, and the one who was bleeding in that church, after Sam was in trouble. She is the one who saved her infant son’s life, from that fire. She is the one who saved a pregnant Skye’s life, by going after Manny herself, and endangering her own in the process. She is the one who helped in Sam being saved from Manny, when she retraced through the steps of when Manny had kidnapped her, which reminded her of her rape, so that Sam could be helped. She is the one who risked getting banned from nursing, so that Sam could have the surgery that saved her life. She is the one who didn’t turn Courtney in, after her blindness was caused by her hit-and-run. I have many more examples on my side, and they have all shown me as Liz being very compassionate and courageous. Now that Becky has been rehired, I hope the trashing of her character stops, and there is a good storyline for Liz. I would like to see Liz have her rape revisited again, as I mentioned before, or help Michael, as I know, it would be an amazing storyline, if tptb gave it a shot. I really hope they do consider that.

    Now back to the other remaining things, I am just going to echo my comments to jmoney for that.

  99. Avatar of
    JAQ

    All I have to say is if they continue to write Liz like they have these past few years, they are doing a disservice to not only the viewers, but the show as well as RH.
    And I will be one of the first to complain about it.

  100. Avatar of jmoney
    jmoney

    EET touched on the point I was making. A character’s actions must have cause. If they do, then when the character has a chance to be redeemed it is more likely to occur. Doing “bad” things just to do them because you like creating havoc is more evil.

    So IF Jake dies, then Liz went crazy and did some wild things, we would feel for her, and eventually when things settled, reasonable behavior would be more acceptable.

    Having her go nuts over Jake’s death would make sense. When she was raped, she had a support system in Lucky who was a major reason she pulled through the way she did. Not saying she didn’t do her part obviously, but Lucky’s love and her love for him played a MAJOR ROLE in her recovery. Lucky is with Siobhan now, Jason is with Sam, and completely dedicated, and they may have a child…Nik has a thing with Brooklyn…

    So Jake’s death causes Liz to spiral and with less of a support system then she’s ever had, she’s either going to pull herself out of it independently (a process) find someone to help her through it (Lucky, Jason or Unknown person X). At least with option A, she can make some waves befor recovering that wouldn’t alienate half of the remaining fan base.

    Look at Monica Q. How many times did she try to kill Alan? How many times did she cheat on him? Countless. Even with Ned. The character and actress still had fans, and eventually was redeemed. Would anyone argue that Monica was ever written out of character?

  101. Avatar of maxsmom
    maxsmom

    the problem wouldn’t be Liz’s reaction to Jake’s death. How does one respond to the death of a child? there is no more horrible fate so there is no rule book or “typical” response. the problem is that killing off Jake could be viewed as one more instance of proping Jasam. would that be the intent, who knows? could it be viewed that way? sure. does this show need the death of another child? does this show need the death of another Quartermaine?

    could there be drama mined from tragedy in general and this one in specific? the death of Jake could mean the reveal that he was Jason’s son which could mean story for all of the Qs and that includes Jason. there would be story for Lucky who loved Jake as much as he would a bio child, he loves Cam after all, and the Spencers could rally around Lucky and that includes Bobbie, since Dante has to be in every story, he could be there for both Lucky and Lulu, Patrick and Robin could help with the kids as could Steven and new love Olivia who begins to regret that in devoting her life to Dante she never had anymore kids….the storyline potential is endless and an umbrella story which could include much of the cast

    that said, GH seems to be in flux so listening to rumors can be fun if they are indicating upcoming story which features your favorites favorably but not so much when your favorites seem to exist under a bus

  102. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    I have read over and over how TPTB do not care about how on line viewers see the show, they pay more attention to off liners. I am not saying they dont’ care but they put more stock into off liners view point then people on line that talk a story to death with rumors and spoilers changing how they percieve what is on day to day. So that being said we need to see this story as it is involving on the show. Not go by rumors and spoilers. As most offliners don’t know about these. When i was spoiler free, and not on the net, I never knew what was coming down the road, I used my head and thought how it could play out but I never knew until I got on line.

    How are JaSam being propped if the average off line viewer is seeing Jason and Sam starting to talk about babies?

    They should have seen Jason and Sam talking about the danger for said child and they should see how Jason can go from giving up his son because of the danger OR to either agreeing to have procedure with Sam, OR he needs to say straight out again he can’t put a child in this life style.

    They should have seen that Jason has told Sam to do what she wants. This is about Sam and her feelings and what she wants, Jason admitted he did what he did giving Jake up because he wanted to do that.

    So if they are talking about procedures and babies why would the off liners even think this was all about Liz or all about making Jason look good or Jake is getting hit by a car or they are writing Liz real bad, this is the OOC Liz, Sam and Jason, Because if Liz is OOC then wouldn’t Sam and Jason also be OOC?

    I am just saying that off line people don’t know everything we know as far as rumors and spoilers. Hell they may be sitting at home wondering what is going on and who is going to do what next to whom but they don’t KNOW what is to be played 1 month to 3 months down the road like most on liners do.

    Most off liners that I know just go from week to week. They usually don’t want to hear anything I might want to warn them about. LOL. They say they will watch it and form thier own opinions. They are warning me that they don’t need my thoughts on what they think is going to happen.and ***that makes me sad as I love to talk****.

    now that I have lost my train of thought I will go see if I can recapture whatever the heck it was.

  103. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    I don’t care how many people speculate that they may kill Jake. I for one do not believe it for a minute….and if they do…it will be a huge mistake on their part. If they kill off Jake to give Jason a reason to want another child, or accept another child…the fans would never forgive him. The Liason/Jasam war would never end…and they would lose many viewers over it.

    The only way Liason fans would accept a Jasam baby, is if the Liason child still existed, for one…. and if Elizabeth told Jason that he should have a child with Sam, if that is what he wants. That way the fans of Liason can’t be mad, if the mother of the child he never recognized…gave her blessings so to speak.

    For TPTB not to realize this would be amazing. They would be creating a major headache for themselves, and horrendous negative feedback. The Jason/Jake possible future story lines are way too good to pass up. Even the Jake/Emma/Josslyn possible story lines. Couldn’t you see Carly and Robin’s daughter fighting over Jason’s son LOL…

    If they have to kill off one of Elizabeth’s kids for a story line, the kid to kill is Cameron. He has no other ties to the canvas, and most people love him because he is so adorable. Fans would truly grieve over him. Aiden is Lucky’s child and as a result also has many future story line possibilites. So personally I see Jake and Aiden as untouchable…and Cameron as expendable…if you have to kill a kid that is.

  104. Avatar of jmoney
    jmoney

    777 – I’m a little confused. Are you actually saying Jason needs Liz’s permission to have a child with Sam? What? What gives Liz the right to determine whether a grown man, she’s not even with anymore can have a child with the woman he is with?

    If you’re going to site Jason giving up Jake, that’s a stretch. Circumstances change, his relationship with Sam is entirely different then his relationship with Sam.

    I mean did Jason say a peep to Liz when she was having sex with Nik, the brother of Jake’s father. Jason had his concerns, knowing that this could crush the man he had entrusted to be a father figure to his son, but he kept his nose out of it for the most part.

    Additionally it is not as if Jason does not provide for Jake financially, the kid has a trust, and Jason paid for her house, if memory serves…

    Doesn’t make much sense to me…

  105. Avatar of Marezi
    Marezi

    But Jason, in my opinion, looks like he is starting to want a baby now. That is what I am seeing on my TV. They have been talking for two weeks now. He is letting Sam decide if she wants to do the procedure or have a baby. He isn’t deciding anything for her.

    Why in the world would Liz have to give permission to Jason to have a baby?
    They are no longer together. It is not like they are married and Liz gets to decide what Jason can and can not do. Liz knows Jason and Sam are together. She knows Sam went in for a pregnancy test nothing is being hidden from her.

    Liz has no business deciding if Jason has a baby with the woman he says he loves Or a woman on the street. Did Liz take it upon herself to inform Jason that she was adding an addition to the family when she got knocked up again? Did Liz consult Jason about anything to do with Jake at any time after they separated?

    If Liz thinks no one can have a baby with Jason other then Liz then she should have had him get a vasectomy during that time she was telling him to jump and how high.

    Does any ex-wife, ex-girlfriend, ex-husband, ex-boyfriend or THEIR FAMILY and friends ever consult the ex about having more children or what they are doing with thier life if they no longer belong in the ex’s life?

    It is a little unreal for the Liason fans to, how did GHFan777 say it “The only way Liason fans would accept a Jasam baby, is if the Liason child still existed, for one…. and if Elizabeth told Jason that he should have a child with Sam, if that is what he wants.”. Sorry but Liason fans are not his family or his ex girlfriend to tell Jason what he can and can not do.

    My goodness…in what world does any of this come across as normal? Would anyone expect their EX girlfriend, boyfriend, wife or husband to do this?? Am I that far out of sync with todays world that I believe once you have moved on that there is no more decisions being made about family, babies or what to wear to Sunday dinner that you can make about your ex’s life.

    GHFan777 this is not an attack. Just responding to your post and conversing with you. I do not ever mean to attack people and if it comes across that way, I am sorry. If we were sitting across the table from each other I would be asking these questions and you would be asking your questions and we would be talking. Please accept that is how I am thinking as I am typing this as someone in my home chatting and discussing a show we watch.

  106. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    TPTB went to great lengths from 2007 to today to emphasize that Jason Morgan can NOT be domesticated. That means, No marriage and No children!

    JaSam is suppose to be the adventure couple and Liason is the romantic/family couple. So, why would JaSam want a baby for their couple when TPTB spent the last four years beating everyone over the head that Jason is way too dangerous for Liz and Cake?

    If Jason decides he wants to have a child with Sam after Liz told him in 2008 on three different occassions to claim his son, then Jason will look like the biggest douche on the planet. All I’ve seen on several message boards is that the REAL Jason Morgan would never go back to a woman that hurt a child, any child, especially his own.

    If Sam wants to have a child there is no reason on earth that she simply can’t go to a sperm bank the way that Robin planned back in 2007. She can remove herself from Jason’s life and the danger that was beaten over the Liason heads since 2007 is no longer an issue.

    One last thing, if RH (story dictated) firing was solely for the reason of killing Liz/Jake in order to move ahead with a JaSam baby then shame on TPTB who tried to take away RH’s livelihood in order for a fictional soap couple to have a baby.

  107. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    j for a smart guy, that is kind of a obtuse question on your part. liason4real pretty much summed it up nicely, but I will add a bit more.

    No of course Jason can make life decisions, without Elizabeth giving him her two cents…but you are conveniently forgetting that Jason broke them up only because of the danger to Jake. They had plans to be together, and were in love. Jason broke it off saying he could not endanger them, after Jake was kidnapped and almost blown up. He gave up his only biological child, not because he didn’t want him…but he thought it was best for him, because his life was too dangerous. For Jason to turn around two years and two months later and gleefully make a baby with another, really negates him, and makes him appear to be a hypocrite. He gives “Deadbeat Dad” a new name. It is not about the money either. Sure he gave her money….but if you grew up thinking your father bought his way out of your life because you didn’t fit in…and then found out he made another baby on purpose two years later…How would you feel? This is why a Jasam baby will only work if a Liason baby still exists, and Elizabeth doesn’t seem to be upset by it. If you kill the Liason child to make way for a Jasam baby…there will be a out and out war between the fanbases, and the Jasam baby will be totally resented.

    So if Elizabeth gives him her blessings, the Liason fanbase will not be able to complain as much, and the Jasam baby won’t be hated. Now do you get what I mean?

  108. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    Sorry Marezi, I read J’s post and responded then I saw yours and your questions. No I don’t think any ex has a right to say what anyone does in their life….especially having children or getting married etc…I was speaking in a hypothetical sense, in how I thought the fanbases would respond if they killed off Jake, to make way for a Jasam baby. I feel that if they wrote it that way…with Elizabeth telling Jason…if you really want a baby with Sam…go for it…don’t let the past scare you…that way the Liason fanbase would not have much to complain about…referring back to the break up that is…IF they killed Jake thinking if they took the son he never acknowledged out of the mix…thinking the fans would accept him being a father better…they would be wrong is all. There would be a lot of anger and fighting between the fanbases and this war would never end.

    But no….ex’s don’t have a right to call the shots, that is just silly…and that is not what I meant.

  109. Avatar of Cyberologist
    Cyberologist

    Elizabeth already told Jason he would make a great father when he came to her in the hospital to ask..years ago and told him to go for it it was around the time she was pregnant with Jake around ’06.

  110. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=GHFan777]I don’t care how many people speculate that they may kill Jake. I for one do not believe it for a minute….and if they do…it will be a huge mistake on their part. If they kill off Jake to give Jason a reason to want another child, or accept another child…the fans would never forgive him. If they have to kill off one of Elizabeth’s kids for a story line, the kid to kill is Cameron. He has no other ties to the canvas, and most people love him because he is so adorable. Fans would truly grieve over him. Aiden is Lucky’s child and as a result also has many future story line possibilites. So personally I see Jake and Aiden as untouchable…and Cameron as expendable…if you have to kill a kid that is.[/quote]

    777-I don’t think we the viewers have much to say when it comes to Jake dieing. Breaks my heart :( when I saw him interplay with Jason last month at the hospital.
    I am sure it is no longer a rumor but a fact he is done. (Jake) The scene has been shot, however, they did the scene with Liz leaving the show, IMO they could & should rewrite the storyline.But will they??
    I agree with it should be Cam if they had to have a child die, but Jake it is.
    As far as Liason/Jasam I don’t get into all that. Not a fan of either women. However, the writers are going to keep JaSam together. They were willing to fire Liz so they have no plans to break up Sam & Jason. It is what it is. Personally I don’t think Jason ever loved Liz. Again, IMO. :)

  111. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Marezi…the facts are this. Liz is no longer a part of Jason. If she was they would not have fired the character to begin with. There is no Liason.
    IMO there never was. I am NOT a fan of either women, but you would have to be blind not to see the love Jason has for Sam.

    As far as Liason fans go, they got there wish. Liz is staying. That will have to be enough for them.

  112. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    Well Jaq you are entitled to your opinion. I personally feel opposite, so I will leave it at that. As for it being a done deal, then the show has made a huge mistake, and I for one will actively campaign against a Jasam baby. As for Liz fans sucking it up and being happy that they kept her, and to just give up on Liason…that too is also your opinion…and a bit heavy handed and not very nice.

  113. Avatar of
    JAQ

    777-I never intended to hurt your feelings. Since I did I apologize.
    I don’t understsand what I said that was so upsetting??
    Is it that Jason & Sam are a couple now and he has never loved like he loves Sam?? I am stating a fact. I personally want Jason for myself. lol

    If your planning on protesting for a Liason reunion, I would get my paper and pencil out now. If it were going to be, or that is the direction TPTB wanted it to go, Liz would never have been let go to begin with.

    Can we agree that we both do not want Jake to die?? With Liz staying, why kill a child?? Also reading your post, let’s try to remember this is a show, with a storyline, all fictional.

    Again I apologize for stating what I said. However it wasn’t aimed at you, I was stating the facts as I see them.

  114. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    I am sure it is no longer a rumor but a fact he is done. (Jake) The scene has been shot, however, they did the scene with Liz leaving the show, IMO they could & should rewrite the storyline.But will they??
    ————
    There were rumors/spumors that Liason actually got married in July 2008 and Frons pulled the scenes. If there are scenes of Jake dying then GH can simply pull the scenes.

    I am not advocating killing any child, but why Jake? Why not Cam or Aiden? How about Josselyn? Seriously, it’s totally ridiculous why GH has to constantly place a child in danger.

  115. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    Jaq, you did not hurt my feelings in the least. I just don’t agree with you, and I took exception to how you phrased the part about Liz staying. You stated that Liason fans should give up, and just be happy they decided to keep her. Personally I don’t see this great Jasam love that you do. They seem more like buddies, and sex pals. I have never seen any chemistry between these two or this great love affair on my TV. All I have seen is Sam never coming first with Jason…but you and your facts see this differently I guess.

    No I don’t plan on getting a pencil and paper and campaigning for Liason. I am smart enough to realize that Elizabeth’s story will be with Lucky, because of Aiden this year. It would be a waste of time to campaign for Liason, when LL2 still have a child issue to resolve.

    I think you should watch how contrived scenes are when Sam and Jason have to kiss…it is almost like they make up excuses to keep the kiss as short as possible and a mere peck. Then they immediately step back from one another. I think if people paid attention to the body language of these two actors, they would start to question whether they even liked one another in real life. Once again…just my opinion.

  116. Avatar of
    JAQ

    4real…I can’t imagine why they couldn’t pull the scenes. Yes it will cost them money, but the amount of money abc put out for Brenda & Sonny’s wedding, surely they could redo the scene, if they wanted to.

    IMO they want a child’s death. To them that is ratings. To us it is sickening. :Sp

    I only hope as I type this that they are re-writing the scenes.

  117. Avatar of
    JAQ

    777-I never want to hurt anyone’s feelings. I try to watch my wording!!
    As far as saying “LIz fans should give up” I can’t go back to that post right now but I doubt I said that. You can always wish for something to happen. Doesn’t mean it will.
    I am wishing for a Webber family come back to Pt CHuckles.
    Been wanting that for years. Recast, but lets get going already!

    As far as the scenes with Jasam go, that is SB style of acting. He would act that way with whoever his love interst was. (except me) I however, don’t see it with Sam. Others have noticed, but c’mon now, the guy is deeply in love with his wife. He does the best he can in love scenes.
    I do want to emphasise that I am not a Jasam fan. I think its silly to pick sides over a couple!!!!!!!!!
    I have my (strong) opinion of both women.
    I am only trying to explain things how I perceive it.

    I don’t think there is a right and wrong here. We are entitled to feel differently, I just don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings with my words.
    :)

  118. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Wow 777 you know I respect you, but I really take exception to the fact that you just went personal by suggesting that steve and kelly dont like each other. I dont know why some Liz fans have to go there.

    re: Jake please note in all my posts I said IF they kill Jake. Until it happens on screen then it will remain an IF. I totally agree with JMoneys post – someone doing bad things after something horrific happens becomes a redeemable event within relative reason. I had this exact convo with someone last night (someone who is a Liz fan by the way) She said so if Liz goes dark you say thats redeemable, then would you forgive marty for changing the test results on the Jolie baby if thats how it turns out? (because she knows I love Jolie and I am so so on Marty) I said actually yes – she clearly has been having difficulty functioning for months and all the people that were suppose to be there for her werent. She lost everything and is disturbed enough that she lacks mens rea if you ask me. I said Hell I love JR and Annie and am heartbroken that they made her exit story a relapse and Annie stabbed ERICA KANE if I can get past that one I certainly can forgive anything Liz might do should jake die, esp. if they show us the breakdown and play all the beats. I then said, wouldnt it make me a hypocrite to say all the crap that happened in 07 was when sam was literally falling apart post Lila and Dannys death, so I excuse that and then not excuse Liz?? Nope, that would be hypocracy.

    Re: Cam if he is unrelated to anyone but Lucky, where is the payoff in killing him? It doesnt accompish anything. Suggesting Joss die…okay so then this is like beckys firing, its not okay to fire HER so fire someone else. Its not okay to kill the liason baby, so if you have to have a child die kill Joss. No words for that one – I will say though I too want any jake dying story to include the qs. I HOPE that edward has to own up the the fact that his need to hold on to any offspring at any cost has hurt his family dearly and that it changes the way he does things. I HOPE that edward tells jason that he SHOULD have changed his life for Jake and he better change his ways for any JaSam baby should they conceive. I HOPE that Monica learns that Jason WANTED to tell her about Jake but Liz blocked it and I HOPE we see some anger from Monica (not at liz directly since she would be grieving but maybe see her going on ABOUT IT to tracy and then break down crying – have her talk about how Emily would have felt about Liz keeping her from her grandchild and all the times monica has been supportive of Liz only to be slapped in the face this way.

    As for this whole should liz sign off, I think the writers need to address jasons turn around in a real way otherwise he does come of as a douchebag…maybe he is going to claim jake and ask liz for visitation and he is en route when Jake gets hit. Maybe its just after the death and after a talk with Edward he comes back to Sam and says I WANT a child, I always WANTED jake and I SHOULD have done something to make it possible and I intend to do it this time around, lets have the procedure. I mean there are tons of ways to address it, assuming they kill of Jake, but they have to give us some hook to hang our hats on. I dont think its Liz’s approval per se, its what Jason intends to do and how he addresses the change of heart. I do however call a huge BS on the idea that Liason fans would accept things if Liz signed off because Liason fans have NEVER accepted anything non liason related for any reason whatsoever. I think thats part of what made her somewhat expendable in the networks eyes…if the Liason fans will ONLY be happy if they get their pairing and thats not the direction they want to go in, then where does that leave Liz? I would totally accept LuSam again or JoSam or if they brought michael easton over as the permanent new rival mobster or as an fbi agent OMG I would be all over that kind of pairing. I know at SOME point if the show survives long enough JaSam will break up -although I think they are not the adventure couple but rather the destiny couple, Liason was the fantasy couple, the one Jason QUARTERMAINE would have chosen or a non mob Jason Morgan that was more Q like would have chosen. But if liason fans still say Jason would NEVER forgive Sam, then doesnt that negate the whole argument that the baby would be acceptable if Liz singed off, since Liz FORGAVE Sam and let LuSam have the kids even overnight, so Liz signed off and still Liz fans reject the choice.

    Finally, and I expect a shit storm over this one, but I was thinking about this whole uproar over Becky losing her job and that somehow not liking Liz is anti becky for that reason and that she is the family breadwinner with three kids. I was talking about this and someone reminded me of the greg vaughan discussion when he was fired weeks before his second child was born (I believe it was his second child). So, curious bee that I am I went back to refresh my memory, because I thought many Liz fans were THRILLED at the return of JJ because they wrongly thought this was a sign that Liz would become a lead and she would get an LL2/Liason triangle. Ironically most of the Liz fans that CHEERED about GV losing HIS JOB no longer post here or have switchd their onscreen name. But Jameys post stood out when I reread the thread because I thought if EET said this about becky being cut to afford the more popular VMG and that being a power move I would get FLAMED for pages.

    Heres what Jamey said re JJ coming back and vaughan returning

    I too am ecstatic. This used to be the norm for daytime. Robert Kelker Kelly was popular as Bo on DAYS, but the moment the show could get the much more popular, original actor back, they did so. It’s business. Actors go into show business knowing anything could happen. I like GV, and hope he will do well, but soaps have to make power moves to stay alive, and as moderately popular as GV was, Jonathan IS Lucky Spencer!

  119. Avatar of
    JAQ

    EET..as usual, love reading what you have to say.
    I do have a question though. And it isn’t meant only toward you but others who have stated this.
    Why do the writers have to explain Jason’s “sudden” paternal feelings? Why does that need to be addressed? In all the years Jason has been on this show, and all the women he has been with, has he ever loved anyone as intensely as he does Sam? AGAIN, not a Sam fan. Just seeing what I see!!
    Sam & Jason were not together when Jake was born. Since reconciling with Sam, he has gotten very deep with her. She is it for him, and it is only natural to have a change of heart about wanting to start a family.
    Do I want him in Jakes life?? Absolutely.

    BTW-nothing is confirmed that Sam is pregant. As of now, reported she is not. Though reports are said that the scene where Jake dies has been taped, I am hoping they rewrite it and he does live. Since Sam can’t get pregnant, or she tries, they take Jake into their lives.
    Everyone wins. Mostly Jake!

  120. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    I am not happy with Jake dying. And for the remaining part about this, I would like to echo the first paragraph of maxsmom’s post.

    I totally agree with it. This is in-order to avoid Jason looking like less of a deadbeat with the Jake thing, in this Jasam storyline. I hate that a kid has to die for this.

  121. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Saher…I disagree.
    IMO they originally had Jake killed and Liz going crazy from the death of a child. No mother should ever bury a child!! Liz fan or not, you never want to see a parent go thru that.
    IMO they were doing the death scene because years ago a child died on this show. It was done so brilliantly that people talked about it for years. TPTB are only trying to repeat history for ratings.
    Which in my opinion is sick. So sick that I thought if they do kill him off still, after RH was hired back, I would stop watching. The death of a child is not entertaining to watch.
    I think people are reading too much into Jason, Sam, etc….

    Let’s hope the taping that was done with Jake was thrown out. Please.

  122. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    There is absolutely no reason to kill off Jake, Cam or Aiden. Is Jake being killed off solely because he is Jason’s bio-kid? Why not kill Aiden since he’s Lucky’s bio-kid? If Zander was still on the show would they kill off Cameron? Guza chose to write in RH’s last pregnancy.

    If GH is going for the BJ heart storyline with Jake it will probably end up like the recent bus accident with the magic top. Very little fallout and the recaps put me to sleep.

  123. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    Since reconciling with Sam, he has gotten very deep with her. She is it for him, and it is only natural to have a change of heart about wanting to start a family.
    ========
    No, JM has constipation!

  124. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Jason loves Sam like no other, I totally agree with that Jaq, but he walked away from Jake specifically because of the danger. Liz always tried to make it a package deal but the truth is jason COULD have a relationship with Jake today without being with Liz, so his feelings for sam dont factor in. Instead, Jason continues to say that the child would be unsafe. If he then purposefully chooses to have a baby with Sam that means one of two things -that he doesnt care enough about baby JaSam to put its safety ahead of his desire to have a child or he doesnt care enough about Jake to have a relationship with him. its inconsistent for him to leave a child with one woman for safety and then have a child with another woman in the same environment, regardless of how he might or might not feel about the women in question. I would also add that he didnt love Liz back in 07 and he was STILL willing to marry her and leave Sam because it was his responsibility to the child. Liz kept saying things like well we cant really do this when you love Sam and I love Lucky can we…..waiting for him to say I dont love sam, but he kept saying I love sam but I am willing to bit the bullet. So his behavior now would be inconsistent. Has the safety of his environment changed? Has his perception of what he could do to keep the child safe changed? Does he feel that Sam makes a better protector than Liz given her training? Its not about his love for the women, its about the children and I think it doesnt say much for him if he is the kind of guy that chooses not to parent his child assuming he can – and its always been the argument that he CANT because of his lifestyle. I also think in general soaps fail when they dont give us a rationale behind a characters motivation. Ironically, jason is on screen so much and yet we rarely get scenes where his inner pov is shown or explored – its one of the things that fuels the big sam/liz debates because much of his time is spent silently reacting. Thats why the two fanbases can watch a scene like the one with Jake post bus crash and have two totally different POV, with one group insisting that jason couldnt take his eyes off liz and the other saying the scene was about jasons longing for his child. When GH was great, something like that would have been followed up by Jason back at the PH talking to spinelli saying either he saw Liz and while he is involved with Sam he still wishes he and Liz could have worked out or we would get a scene back at the PH where he would say to spin it was hard seeing Jake, Liz carried him down the hallway and once I laid eyes on him it was like no one else existed but me and my son. There is still part of me that hopes that one day things will be different and he could spend time with me and sam but I know thats not realistic. There would be no debate because his POV would be spelled out, but thats not what Guza gives us these days.

    As for Jake, plenty of soaps kill off children as part of a storyline, BJ wasnt the first, and if Jake dies he wont be the last. Didnt they just kill of bopes kid on dool?

  125. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    [quote=JAQ]
    TPTB are only trying to repeat history for ratings.
    Which in my opinion is sick. So sick that I thought if they do kill him off still, after RH was hired back, I would stop watching. The death of a child is not entertaining to watch. [/quote]

    I completely agree with this part, JAQ!! It is really sick.

  126. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]
    As for Jake, plenty of soaps kill off children as part of a storyline, BJ wasnt the first, and if Jake dies he wont be the last. Didnt they just kill of bopes kid on dool?[/quote]

    I don’t understand why they would kill him off. He has so many ties to this show, and now with this paternity thing, the possibilities are endless. So many dimensions, it is too soapy of a story to pass up. I still believe, even though some might not agree, that this is being done to avoid Jason looking like a deadbeat. It is more of a cop-out, and to do this via killing a kid, is just disgusting, and it makes this Jasam storyline look worse, IMO.

  127. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    [quote=JAQ]Saher…I disagree.
    IMO they originally had Jake killed and Liz going crazy from the death of a child. No mother should ever bury a child!! Liz fan or not, you never want to see a parent go thru that.
    [/quote]

    They were planning to go ahead with that, with a different reason though. It was still going around with that, that Liz would be responsible for Jake’s death, and that’s how she would end up skipping town, while being all crazy. This is the decimation of Liz that I was talking about just for TIIC to have an easy exit on their heads, with simultaneously killing off jake, so two birds with one stone, so that it would make it look like less of an issue for jasam to have a kid, as with jason being deadbeat issue would not be there anymore, and in the liason connection too. Now that this earlier decision has been reversed, the struggle with their original plan to do that will have them in a rock and hard place, as with all of the reasons. I really hope they have reconsidered and thrown out the taping of those scenes. As for the other things, I know what I said sounds bizzare, but that’s frons for you.

  128. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    It isnt being done to avoid Jason being a deadbeat. If that was the concern, they could have had Jason ask for time with Jake, Liz could have said no and before he had a chance to consider filing for custody, she could have left “to be near her sister” in order to keep jake safe from jasons environment. The also could have had him coparent. They could have had him ask liz for visitation and she could have said no and he decides to drop him out of respect for his mother. There are a million ways to make him not a deadbeat but not kill off Jake. If they do go this route, it will be BECAUSE he is so connected to the canvas that it impacts everyone. There is almost no one on the canvas that wouldnt be effected if as rumor suggests its a bj redo style story with joss and jake and gives the writers a chance to take any and every character they want in a different direction. I am not saying this is the route I would go, but CLEARLY there are ample ways to tell the JaSam story without killing off Jake so to suggest that this is the motivation or that its to pimp the character of jason doesnt make any sense.

    Also I would point out that a lot of the “soapy” ness that people are talking about like an emma/jake/joss triangle is at least a good five years or so down the pike. If the ratings for all soaps keep going the way they are going, gh wont be on the air five years from now to tell any emma/jake/joss story so the idea that he should be safed for something down the road, when theres a ton of story to be mined in the now from his death isnt a strong argument. IMHO the far more relevant question is whether killing off Jake would increase ratings because its so dramatic and potentially great story OR would it hurt ratings because people dont want to see children hurt on soaps. I guess then the question would be did ratings go up or down for dool the week bopes kid got run over and did it go up or down for gh the week michael was shot or when he was raped. I think the other question that has to be asked is how long do they expect the story to reverb in the writing -if this is a one month story, then its less “worth it” than if we are still seeing the impact a year or two from now. Is this going to permanently change who Jason, Lucky, Liz and Carly are at their core and does that make the show all the better? The answer to those questions will tell us if the writers gamble was the right one (assuming jake IS in fact killed, which still remains an IF). I will though argue that if jamey is correct, that soaps need to make “power moves” I would think jakes death would be qualify as a power move.

  129. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    EET, I respect your opinion, but this is frons we’re talking about here. In his world, the only way, he would do this would be killing jake, jmo. This is the guy who said that viewers could be trained into liking something like slaves, so I wouldn’t put it past him.

    I still believe they are doing this so that a Jasam baby would be easy and convenient for the writers, with having the one major obstacle out of the way, with liason connection going too. And for them to do that, just so Jasam can have a kid is low, and it makes it look more worse. This is JMO again, to each his own. I think there’s no sense in killing Jake off, as there’s more of an interesting story to be told with him being alive than dead, many more complex dimensions. And with their agenda being clear in this, it is going to be a ratings slide for them. I have met some Jasammers too who are unhappy with this, and feel it is unnecessary. I happen to agree.

    Overall, politely agreeing to disagree.

  130. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    To Jamey,

    If they do need to make a power move, here’s a great idea involving Michael’s rape storyline, where he is trying to cope with it, in terms of healing, and is something that doesn’t have an agenda behind it. Plus, being something with this factor there, is one that will be of a great ratings boost for GH.

    This is the article over at soapbox1 about it:

    http://www.soapbox1.com/general-hospital/this-is-your-moment-michael-corinthos/

    It is very interesting, and it could be just what GH needs to do agenda-free, that is going to be good for them, in that sense, JMO.

  131. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    To be clear Jamey never said it would be a power move to kill jake. I am sure he does NOT want jake dead. He said soaps need to make power moves in order to succeed and his example of a power move was firing gv – who like Becky wanted his job, has children and is the primary bread winner for his family – and replacing him with JJ. that particular “power move” was cheered by many liz fans as part of being in the biz, but when becky gets fired, anyone who does not like liz is accused of wanting someone to lose their job.

    Michael has a person to help him heal and that person is Abby. I dont need Liz infringing on my couple (Mabby) thank you, and certainly if he wanted to talk to an adult he has Jax, who has been raped, Lulu whos mother was raped, Dante, his mother Carly, his uncle jason, his therapist and even Sam who has been abused and nearly raped – all those people ALREADY have a role in his life. Jake dying is a huge game changer for numerous characters. Brenda having a child is a major game changer for many characters. BJ dying was a huge game changer that reverbed for years. Laura coming back would be a game changer. How does Liz being one shoulder of many for Michael to cry on change lives? I am not sure how Jamey is defining “power move” but I would assume he was going for something that majorly changes the canvas. Bringing back JJ for better or worse was a big move as it changed the entire way the writers were writing the character, moved him to the forefront of the canvas, got GH tons of buzz etc. etc. I HATED that gv was fired, but I would agree that it was a game changer.

  132. Avatar of GHvetfan
    GHvetfan

    liason4real – I too know nothing of this so deep relationship that Sam and Jason supposedly have. They haven’t shown anything of that to me.

    This thread is about Becky staying. I am very happy about that. It will not make me watch if she isn’t written with a backbone and a story that doesn’t portray her like a jealous twit who has to have a man in her life. I will add that I would love that for Sam and every other female on the show. There isn’t a single female character at the moment that has their own voice and isn’t living for a man or portrayed as a fool.

  133. Avatar of
    JAQ

    I would also add that he didnt love Liz back in 07 and he was STILL willing to marry her and leave Sam because it was his responsibility to the child. Liz kept saying things like well we cant really do this when you love Sam and I love Lucky can we…..waiting for him to say I dont love sam, but he kept saying I love sam but I am willing to bit the bullet. So his behavior now would be inconsistent.
    **************************************************************
    First thank you for posting what happened back in 07. I don’t know where some people’s memories lie. 0:) As far as him not being “consistant” I see nothing wrong with the change in him. Time, Death, Maturity, Love all factor in when a person decides to change their views on wanting a baby.
    And that is what I think it is with Jason. In 07 would you see Jason going to Grandfather’s house to wish him a Merry :santa: Christmas? No you wouldn’t. Jason is changing, things that weren’t important are to him now. That is not to say I agree with why he gave up Jake.But people change their minds quite often on topics like this.

    As far as a child dying, yes I am aware it happens in soaps. However with GH, that was one storyline (BJ)that really “held” with us long time viewers.

  134. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]To be clear Jamey never said it would be a power move to kill jake. I am sure he does NOT want jake dead. He said soaps need to make power moves in order to succeed and his example of a power move was firing gv – who like Becky wanted his job, has children and is the primary bread winner for his family – and replacing him with JJ. that particular “power move” was cheered by many liz fans as part of being in the biz, but when becky gets fired, anyone who does not like liz is accused of wanting someone to lose their job.
    Michael has a person to help him heal and that person is Abby. I dont need Liz infringing on my couple (Mabby) thank you, and certainly if he wanted to talk to an adult he has Jax, who has been raped, Lulu whos mother was raped, Dante, his mother Carly, his uncle jason, his therapist and even Sam who has been abused and nearly raped – all those people ALREADY have a role in his life. Jake dying is a huge game changer for numerous characters. Brenda having a child is a major game changer for many characters. BJ dying was a huge game changer that reverbed for years. Laura coming back would be a game changer. How does Liz being one shoulder of many for Michael to cry on change lives? I am not sure how Jamey is defining “power move” but I would assume he was going for something that majorly changes the canvas. Bringing back JJ for better or worse was a big move as it changed the entire way the writers were writing the character, moved him to the forefront of the canvas, got GH tons of buzz etc. etc. I HATED that gv was fired, but I would agree that it was a game changer.[/quote]

    EET, I know that Jamey didn’t mean killing off Jake would be a power move, I was simply presenting him with an idea of what would surely be one, JMO.

    I disagree with you, on the second part. I think Liz being involved in Michael’s rape storyline would be an amazing storyline. She knows the trauma a person suffers with, plus Michael is at that place in his life, as Liz was also one during that time. In that perspective, I think Liz should be the one to help him as she would know about the struggle with it at that time of place in her life. I still believe killing Jake off is one with agenda, and with that added, a ratings slide. I think this would be the one storyline to do this in without that, and also it is the current one right now, and a good one for involving everyone as there is still time for GH to do this. It would be very interesting if tptb gave this a try. I have to disagree with you about the JJ’s part. I am happy that JJ is back, but I think a complete change of writing for the character was a bad idea. But it’s JMO.

    I think this storyline would be interesting, if TPTB gave it a try. I have even faxed a copy of it to Guza.

  135. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    [quote=JAQ]I would also add that he didnt love Liz back in 07 and he was STILL willing to marry her and leave Sam because it was his responsibility to the child. Liz kept saying things like well we cant really do this when you love Sam and I love Lucky can we…..waiting for him to say I dont love sam, but he kept saying I love sam but I am willing to bit the bullet. So his behavior now would be inconsistent.
    **************************************************************
    First thank you for posting what happened back in 07. I don’t know where some people’s memories lie. 0:) As far as him not being “consistant” I see nothing wrong with the change in him. Time, Death, Maturity, Love all factor in when a person decides to change their views on wanting a baby.
    And that is what I think it is with Jason. In 07 would you see Jason going to Grandfather’s house to wish him a Merry :santa: Christmas? No you wouldn’t. Jason is changing, things that weren’t important are to him now. That is not to say I agree with why he gave up Jake.But people change their minds quite often on topics like this.
    As far as a child dying, yes I am aware it happens in soaps. However with GH, that was one storyline (BJ)that really “held” with us long time viewers.[/quote]

    For the one here, I would like to echo Evangeline Vega’s post, on this. It is inconsistent of Jason tn this Jasam baby storyline, as the one component is still there, and that’s danger. Look at Michael now, and you could see, as EV said, about it being the result of his life. I think it is also inconsistent when you have Jason have more of him with Michael. And last week or something, I caught it on YT, that Liz called him about something from the hospital, and he didn’t even ask about Jake, so unlike of him going as far back as recently. I know that the writers are doing it as a take of creating that between them, and for show of nothing major with this jake thing, and making the jasam storyline easy for them. I can see what they’re doing, and it’s not working on me. This is the other reason that makes it look worse, and it sucks, JMO.

    We agree on one thing, JAQ, and it is that I too do not like the idea of this.

  136. Avatar of beans4metoo
    beans4metoo

    Wow, I have never seen two fanbases so adament about their couples as are the Jasam vs. Liason fans. Honestly, I like both Sam and Liz and I was watching somewhat sporadically in 2007 so I don’t have a favorite coupling amongst the two. I will say that I would choose Liz/Lucky and Jason/Carly if I had to pick my favorite couplings for those characters. But since TPTB don’t seem to want to allow Jason and Carly to be together, then I will say that I think Jason truly loves Sam and vice versa. That doesn’t mean he never loved Liz, but IMO right NOW he loves Sam.

    I agree with js3557 that 2 people can watch the same thing and see something completely different. Our perceptions of a scene and a character are based on our opinion of that character.

    Ghfan777- LOVE your idea of a future Jake/Emma/Jocelyn storyline. OF course it would be hilarious to watch Carly and Robin react to both of their daughters wanting Jason’s son. That is too funny.

    EET- I completely agree with what you are saying about how Jason will look like a jerk if he has a kid with Sam without addressing that dangers of his life and why he hasn’t claimed Jake. However, I must respectfully disagree with your outlook on Sam and Liz. In your post # 130 you stated that you view Liz to be like Jess on OLTL and as “capable of doing bad things when pushed to the brink emotionally.” First of all I think that can describe any human and certainly any soap character. But it was funny to me that when I read that description, I immediately thought of Sam. That goes to show what js3557 said is true, 2 people can look at the same thing and see it differently. While you use those words to describe Liz, I see that description as fitting Sam. It was Sam who was devastated over Jason’s rejection so she slept with her MOTHER’S HUSBAND. IT was Sam who was so emotionally broken that she WATCHED JASON’S SON GET KIDNAPPED AND DID NOTHING. Jason is supposedly the love of her life yet she stood by and let Jake get kidnapped not knowing if he would return alive? So, IMO I don’t see either Sam or Liz as “good” or “bad”. Like all soap characters, there are both good and bad to each of them and BOTH have made bad decisions. I also respectfully disagree with you EET when you keep saying Sam’s bad choices were during her “character assasination of 2007″. Regardless of when the character did those bad things, and how you or other fans of Sam’s viewed the writing for her during that time period, the fact is that the character DID THOSE THINGS. That makes those actions and therefore that writing for the character, a part of the character’s history and a part of who the character is and therefore can’t be overlooked by just saying oh it was bad writing for her. The fact is that Sam did those things and those are a part of who Sam is, just as Liz has done some bad things that are a part of who she is regardless of if we liked the writing for her at that time.

    Regarding Jake and/or Jocelyn dying, I think it is LAZY writing and manipulation on the part of TPTB. I think it is a quick fix to get ratings and as much as we think it stinks, odds are that we all will watch b/c it will be good tv and let’s face it, we are all GH fans or we wouldn’t be spending our time on DC HOTLY debating these characters and stories. However, I think it is a way for the writers to manipulate the stories and characters to what THEY want rather than listening to the fans. I think that killing off Jake is a way for the writers to show Liason fans that Jasam are going to be end game and Liason fans shouldn’t hold out hope. By killing off Jason/Liz’s son, they are killing off the tie to Liason. As far as Jocelyn, I think it is a similar thing. TPTB are going to make Sonny/Carly end game and this is a way to kill off Carly’s tie to Jax. Its really silly on their part because the storyline possibilities of keeping these kids are so much more interesting then the shock value of a few weeks eppy’s surrounding their deaths.

    I think it would be much smarter on the parts of TPTB to have one of the children be sick and have an adult die to save them. There are many characters on the canvas right now that could be written off to further storyline, cut costs, and just trim a too large cast. Now, while I don’t advocate anyone losing their job, it is the name of the game in the soap world and actors/actresses know this when they choose to go into this industry. I think the majority, if not all of the soaps on-air today have too large casts. There are too many actors/actresses on cast that are not used. Just last week, B & B put Sarah Brown on recurring. She is arguably one of the BEST actresses in the history of daytime and she is on recurring? That is a shame but it is the way of this industry. Newbies are shoved down our throats while our beloved vets are never seen. Vets are retained at huge salaries but never USED. I speaking only for myself will say that IMO I would rather see the vets EARN their huge salaries by being front burner and have a smaller cast then to have a ton of “cheaper” newbies constantly on the screen as characters that have no history, and that I have no connection to.

  137. Avatar of maxsmom
    maxsmom

    ABC is confirming Rebecca Herbst to remain with the show.

    By the by, I think the similarity with RH and GV is in showing the character or lack thereof from the people in charge of this show, remember the announcement from ABC said it was mutual and GV admitted that wasn’t the case and he seemed genuinely hurt. I think the difference is that for some GV would never be Lucky and JJ was finally willing to come back. There were probably fans who were still writing and calling for the return of JJ though he’d left a decade before JJ had been approached on other occassions before he decided to return and coincidently? didn’t his wife just have a baby. ABC or more specifically Frons doesn’t seem to get that once upon a time Erika Slezak was a recast.

    EDITED TO ADD: I think the feeling about GV’s firing and JJ’s return were pretty split with some who still miss GV, some who have come around to JJ, and others who don’t like either. As for LizFF, there are those who feel there is more chemistry with JJ but many will never give up on Liason so the idea that there was less concern for GV is conjecture. RH may have more fans in number but what happened with GV may have been a part of the reason GH fans who may not have been RH or Liz fans were simply fed up with the way GH does business.

  138. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Saher…FIRST that whole post was not mine. So please do not use my name when I took a quote from someone else.

    Second..as far as Jake dying, do you really think TPTB care?? This is a fictional character on a fictional show. It is all about ratings. The child isn’t really dying.

    I agree with you about how Michael’s life turned out because of the life he led as a child being involved with the mob.

    I never realized how Jason never asks about his son. He doesn’t, does he??
    The fact that he is “toying” with the idea of having another, doesn’t mean when it comes down to it, he would want to. If he did though, it would be a slap in the face. I agree.
    From what I read/heard, Sam isn’t pregnant.

  139. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Beans…nice post as usual.

    I want to clarify one thing. I don’t take sides. For me it isn’t a “Liz or Sam” fan. Honestly I could take or leave either/both of them.
    I am only going on what I see. And what the story is telling me that while Jason & Sam were broken up and he got with Liz, he ultimately went back to Sam. Obviously that is where his heart lies.
    We can’t tell anyone who to love, can we??

    I sit back and post as I perceive things. Or rather how I perceive things. But I NOT a fan of Sam’s. I just believe he loves her like he has never loved anyone.

  140. Avatar of beans4metoo
    beans4metoo

    Thanks JAQ :)

    I agree that I believe that Jason loves Sam. No way he could’ve forgiven her for the Jake kidnapping if he didn’t love her. AND he keeps going back to her. That said, I won’t say that he never loved Liz, just that I think he loves Sam NOW. I think that we are capable of being in love with more than one person in our lives. As much as I COULD NOT STAND the character of Courtney, I think that Jason loved her very much at one point. And I will always stand by the fact that he LOVES Carly. I think it is a tribute to the character’s and somewhat to the writing that I can see Jason with either Liz or Sam. Thats a good triangle, when you can root for either coupling. I will say that Sam is better able to handle Jason’s lifestyle than any other women in his life except maybe Carly.

  141. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Well Beans…I think Jason would shoot himself if he ever took Carly on!!!
    :bigsmile:
    Carly is the type of women who probably needs to be alone. If you think about CarJax, there love was so deep, yet she still couldn’t break away from her Jason & Sonny. That being said, she should probably be alone for awhile. I do think she is going to get with Shawn.

    I liked the character of Courtney. Alot. And I liked her with Jason. However, the love of Jason’s life, the one who can live his lifestyle and not ask questions and know when to step back is Sam. They compliment one another.

    I have this guy friend that I went to highschool with. Always wanted to end up with him. Anyway, after much dating around, after HE broke many hearts, he got with a women who was like 5 years older than he was. Ugly.
    NOBODY could figure out what a nice looking guy like that would want with her.
    Long story short, 18 years later they are still together. They never married. Never had children. But I seen them together. And honestly, they compliment one another.
    It works for them when you find your soul mate.

  142. Avatar of beans4metoo
    beans4metoo

    JAQ- You put it perfectly in saying that Sam and Jason compliment each other. That is how I look at love in life. I believe you can love more than one person but there is one that will truly be your “soulmate” and you will compliment each other. For Jason, I believe he LOVES Carly, loved Courtney and loved/loves Liz and LOVES Sam. But as you said, Sam and Jason compliment each other. No matter who he has loved in the past, or who still holds a part of his heart now, Sam is the one that he keeps going back to and that fits his current lifestyle in the best way. There is more to a functional relationship than just passion and being in love. You have to have trust, you have to be able to rely on your significant other and know that they will have your back. Jason has that with Sam (and Carly of course..lol). Regardless of what he may have felt or feel now for Liz, she doesn’t fit into the life he has chosen to live in the way that Sam does. And regardless of his unconditional love for Carly he knows that her love is not safe for him. He knows that Carly would wreck him and that Sonny and Carly will always end up back together. I believe that Jason and Sam’s love is based alot on trust and the fact that he knows he can trust her with his heart and she can handle his life.

  143. Avatar of
    JAQ

    We love differently at different times in our life. There are soo many ways to love. He loves Liz as she is the mother of his child.
    IMO when 2 people can find themselves with each other again after being apart, that speaks volumes.

    I better stop before my house gets EGGED for being a “Sam fan” when in reality I am not. ;)

  144. Avatar of Saher M
    Saher M

    [quote=JAQ]Saher…FIRST that whole post was not mine. So please do not use my name when I took a quote from someone else.
    [/quote]

    Oh, sorry about that, JAQ. I was unaware that it wasn’t your quote and mistook it as being one. My apologies.

    Another thing, regardless of anything, I don’t like the idea of Jake dying, just so it is easier for Jasam to have a baby. This is JMO.

  145. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Another thing, regardless of anything, I don’t like the idea of Jake dying, just so it is easier for Jasam to have a baby. This is JMO.
    ****************************************************************
    I don’t either. lol

  146. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]For me, Liz is more like Jessica, someone who is capable of doing really bad things when pushed to the brink emotionally and someone who is seen by those who interact with her as fragile and in need of protecting – and just like Jess always kind of throwing herself into the next relationship with the next protector.[/quote]

    Beans to clarify – because I guess I didnt say it the way I meant it. Yes, every character is capable of doing wrong when pushed to the breaking point, but like Jessica, Liz’s “breaking point” is a much much lower threshold than the other female characters on the show. And here I can answer your sam point as well…I thought the 07 stuff was OOC but I totally agree thats part of the characters history now, but because it was OOC and because we saw her emotions swinging so radically from one thing to another, I consider that a breakdown, because I dont think there is any other way to explain it. Why did she break…well first she lost Lila at nearly full term, then she lost the brother for who’s care she has been solely responsible for years and was willing to face a murder wrap for, she suffered a near fatal gunshot wound that robbed her of her ability to get pregnant with any ease, she lost Hope, the baby she thought she was all set to adopt,she found a mother she thought she hated and was then rejected by that mother (leading her to degrade herself with ric), she then found out her mother could die, she was held capitive in the MC and had to risk her life to save the others (and remember her trying to calm Liz during that, worrying about how she was dealing), and then it looked to her like she was losing jason to the child she couldnt give him and the mother of that child, who she had been saying was an issue for months only to be told that there was nothing there. It was only after ALL of that tragedy that she broke. Meanwhile Liz broke over the guy she didnt even really want breaking up with her and finding that for the first time in her life, something bad was happening to her and everyone wasnt rushing to her side to protect her. Liz is seen as fragile by the other characters on the canvas and much like Jessica most of the other characters in her immediate orb rush to protect her in the wake of ANY sort of tragedy. Sam, like blair, gets sympathy and love but her loved ones usually are the ones on the receiving end of the caregiving.

    Also to be clear, I never said jason didnt love Liz. I know some sam feel that way, but I agree that one person can love more than one person in their lifetime. I just think that love is more as a person and less as a romantic thing, because he really doesnt know her in that romantic way very well. He knows they get along as friends, that her presence is comforting to him when things are really bad but Sam is his partner, he seeks her input and often heeds her advice. She gets him to do things outside his comfort zone whether its something as small as peanut brittle and dancing or something as major as going to see Edward on Christmas. The are capable of communication without speaking, the shorthand couples develop when they have been in sync forever. He knows all the strange stuff she does and the annoying habits that she might demonstate day to day, and loves her in spite of it and she knows him the same way. He doesnt know Liz in that capacity, which is why I think its more a fantasy love – a love of what she represents, the road not taken, what he imagines her to be like, what he imagines they would be like together – and of course all of that emotion is also tied up in and to a certain extent fueled by the love he has for Jake and his desire to have a child. Usually what you imagine something to be like is not at all what its like in actuality and if Jake had not been born how much of that imaginary life would never have even been dreamt up. As a huge Jarly fan, I totally agree with your assessment about their relationship, and Jason said as much to Spin when they were chasing Ian devlin – he compared Maxie to Carly and basically said some people just cant be and I knew Carly would always wreck me. In fact sometimes I think thats why he does so much for her, because he cant give her the one thing she really wants in her heart of hearts – a romantic relationship with him – so he gives her as close to it he can safely manage and he gave her sonny to fill the void.

  147. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Saher I get that you are saying that its just your opinion that if they kill of Jake its solely to facilitate Jason and sam having a child, but I have to ask what tangible basis do you have for believing that? I am just curious what makes you believe that because first off we dont know for sure Jake is dying, we dont know for sure Sam is getting pregnant and if she does whether or not she can carry full term, if Jake is dying, we dont know how it will be written and how any of the POV will be presented and it assumes that you have some insight in to how frons and guza make their decisions when I havent seen anything on line where someone in the know says this was done SOLELY to make a JaSam baby more pallitable – in fact regans last column’s only mention of sam was “Is Sam sick?” Assuming that they have Jakes death set in stone, maybe this is being done to give Rebecca and Steve emmy reels. Maybe Kelly asked Frons to kill off jake and gave him two tickets to next years DWTS in order to seal the deal. Maybe Steve wanted Jake dead and paid off Frons with a case of Monavie. Maybe this is being done to make Liz sympathetic again. Maybe this is being done because Jason will feel like he has to confort her and it will lead to a Liason reunion? I think those ideas are pretty absurd, because I have no idea exactly why they made this choice, again assuming they have. I know this is a radical idea here, but maybe, just maybe they want to go there because they think it will be good story. I am just wondering if you know someone who works for gh or you have some story out there that I havent seen that supports your speculation?

    I saw today that there was a lot of reaction to the press release and a lot of extra stuff seemed to have been read into it. Thats why I ask.

  148. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    All I want to say is congratulations to Becky for being rehired to a job that she obviously loves. Why do I get a feeling that Becky is going to be the #1 most popular actor during DC’s February list?….lol

  149. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Of course she will, its based on the number of clicks each actor gets or doesnt get. The fact that I just posted this gives her a click but its hardly an indication that she is popular with me LOL.

  150. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    EET…We ALL know you love Liz.

    JAQ… It’s the number of times that you select Becky’s name while on the DC post (I think)…lol. So, now, by default you are a Liz lover too!

  151. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    I love her as much as you hate her LOL. Just trying to balance things out :p

    Jaq at the end of the month dc posts the “20 most popular” which really is just the 20 most clicked on. So when someone gets fired or hired or otherwise inspires stories, it leads to more clicks pro and con, which lands them on the “most popular” LOL

  152. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=liason4real]EET…We ALL know you love Liz.
    JAQ… It’s the number of times that you select Becky’s name while on the DC post (I think)…lol. So, now, by default you are a Liz lover too![/quote]

    Little comedy?? Love it!! :bigsmile:

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    JAQ

    Thanks EET. But wouldn’t that depend on how often the character was being written in posts??

    I can’t (I am sorry) believe Liz has hit the “most popular” very often on here. If ever. ;)

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Not sure I understand but its about how many times any viewer lands on a page about someone. If I want to post a million times I hate actress x on a thread about actress x, she would still hit the “most popular” list.

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    beans4metoo

    EET- RE: Your post # 186…. WOW! Great post EET and I totally agree with many of your points, very well put.

    …I thought the 07 stuff was OOC but I totally agree thats part of the characters history now, but because it was OOC and because we saw her emotions swinging so radically from one thing to another, I consider that a breakdown, because I dont think there is any other way to explain it.
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    I completely agree that Sam had a breakdown and was not thinking right when she let Jake get kidnapped. I had misunderstood your previous posts and thought that you were saying that you didn’t consider ’07 actions when looking at Sam’s character b/c the writing was bad.

    Liz is seen as fragile by the other characters on the canvas and much like Jessica most of the other characters in her immediate orb rush to protect her in the wake of ANY sort of tragedy.
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    I can see that too. Whereas Sam is part of helping others in danger/with problems and can support Jason in that role, Liz is more like a Greenlee who always needs protected. I agree and I believe that is a big part of why Jason and Sam mesh so well together.

    He knows they get along as friends, that her presence is comforting to him when things are really bad but Sam is his partner, he seeks her input and often heeds her advice. She gets him to do things outside his comfort zone whether its something as small as peanut brittle and dancing or something as major as going to see Edward on Christmas.
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    I completely agree.

    He doesnt know Liz in that capacity, which is why I think its more a fantasy love – a love of what she represents, the road not taken, what he imagines her to be like, what he imagines they would be like together – and of course all of that emotion is also tied up in and to a certain extent fueled by the love he has for Jake and his desire to have a
    child.
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    I think that this is very well put, and it really describes his relationship with Liz well, that it is about “the road not taken”. IMO the love was/is there for Liz, but it was a love he knew he couldn’t act on or wouldn’t work because of his lifestyle so his view towards Liz now is based on what could have been. And with “what could have beens” you haven’t had the chance to know if the love would work out, and it hasn’t failed because it never got started so you are always gonna have that fondness and love for that person. This is exactly why I think a part of Jason still loves Liz, because it was a love that wasn’t allowed to be explored.

    As a huge Jarly fan, I totally agree with your assessment about their relationship, and Jason said as much to Spin when they were chasing Ian devlin – he compared Maxie to Carly and basically said some people just cant be and I knew Carly would always wreck me. In fact sometimes I think thats why he does so much for her, because he cant give her the one thing she really wants in her heart of hearts – a romantic relationship with him – so he gives her as close to it he can safely manage and he gave her sonny to fill the void.
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    I completely agree. In MY soap world, Jason will ALWAYS love Carly. And that LOVE is SO strong that he wouldn’t/couldn’t be with her not only to protect his own heart but hers as well. He knew she would eventually wreck him which would ruin their friendship and then she (who needs him so entirely) would be left without him even as a friend and he knew she could never handle that.

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    Saher M

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]Saher I get that you are saying that its just your opinion that if they kill of Jake its solely to facilitate Jason and sam having a child, but I have to ask what tangible basis do you have for believing that? I am just curious what makes you believe that because first off we dont know for sure Jake is dying, we dont know for sure Sam is getting pregnant and if she does whether or not she can carry full term, if Jake is dying, we dont know how it will be written and how any of the POV will be presented and it assumes that you have some insight in to how frons and guza make their decisions when I havent seen anything on line where someone in the know says this was done SOLELY to make a JaSam baby more pallitable – in fact regans last column’s only mention of sam was “Is Sam sick?” Assuming that they have Jakes death set in stone, maybe this is being done to give Rebecca and Steve emmy reels. Maybe Kelly asked Frons to kill off jake and gave him two tickets to next years DWTS in order to seal the deal. Maybe Steve wanted Jake dead and paid off Frons with a case of Monavie. Maybe this is being done to make Liz sympathetic again. Maybe this is being done because Jason will feel like he has to confort her and it will lead to a Liason reunion? I think those ideas are pretty absurd, because I have no idea exactly why they made this choice, again assuming they have. I know this is a radical idea here, but maybe, just maybe they want to go there because they think it will be good story. I am just wondering if you know someone who works for gh or you have some story out there that I havent seen that supports your speculation?

    I saw today that there was a lot of reaction to the press release and a lot of extra stuff seemed to have been read into it. Thats why I ask.[/quote]

    EET – I don’t need anymore insight into Frons than his statement of how he could train his audience like dogs. But this is JMO.

    I still stand by my comment that if Jake is killed off for Jasam to have a baby, which even suite101 reports as a possible spoiler, then they have gone a new low, JMO.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Saher I am not questioning whether some people or even many people feel that killing off Jake is low or a mistake. Thats a pov and POVs cant be right or wrong as opinions are subjective. What I am questioning is your assertion that you KNOW that Frons is doing this solely to facilitate a pregnancy that we dont even know will happen and if it does, that the baby will be carried to term. If they havent decided whether a JaSam baby will be born, how can that be the motivation for killing jake, assuming they do in fact kill Jake (which I think will happen, but we dont know that yet) I gave you a bunch of other reasons all of which are just as likely as the one you threw out, thus it makes it your claim only a GUESS, not a fact. So you can say based on frons being an ass so many times before, I am guessing this was done to make the audience root for a jaSam baby or you can say I THINK its likely that …..or it seems to me its being done to….., but you cant say you KNOW it as if its a fact unless BF said it somewhere. it seems to me that its unlikely that something that has yet to be decided could be a factor in anything thats happening on screen NOW. That would be like saying Guza wrote Niz having an affair to give JJ an emmy reel, since Niz started BEFORE tptb knew JJ was coming back. Kknowledge of his return could not have influenced what they decided to do 6 months BEFORE they had that knowledge unless they had a time machine.

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    Saher89

    EET – I respect your opinion. But for the Jasam storyline, just a few days ago, they had Monica saying how much Aiden looks like Lucky, and not once they had her say that about Jake, even though she had seen him multiple times. That shows to me that there is an agenda playing at hand for this storyline, and I don’t need to be in Frons’s mind to know that.

    Overall, if we still do not agree, then politely agreeing to disagree.

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    JAQ

    That shows to me that there is an agenda playing at hand for this storyline
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    You are correct. There is an agenda for what happened. 2 things actually. I got to see Monica! :bigsmile: And she put the thought of Aiden looking like Lucky at that age.
    Seriously do you think the writers, who forgot to serve food at the wedding, thought any further than connecting and opening up the storyline of LIz’s baby??
    You are reading to much into it. That is only my opinion. lol

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