General Hospital’s Rebecca Herbst on Her Shocking Firing/Re-Hiring: “It Was Surreal”


In the new issue of ABC Soaps in Depth, Rebecca Herbst (Liz) opens up for the first time about her shocking firing and subsequent re-hiring following the demands of angry General Hospital fans. Here's a tidbit of what Genie Francis' heiress apparent had to say:

"It was surreal," she recalls of that fateful Friday meeting with the show's executives in which she was told the news. "I didn't see it coming."




It's still unimaginable to me that GH would have even contemplated getting rid of such a popular star, who's character is one of the few, precious links to origin characters like Steve Hardy; not to mention the supercouple status Liz achieved in her own right with both Jason (Steve Burton) and Lucky (Jonathan Jackson).

  It's too bad fans didn't have enough time to prevent agenda-driven, inorganic storytelling efforts to "train" fans on which couple they should root for, from causing GH to wrecklessly decide to kill off Liason's son. I predict a "trainwreck watching" ratings spike during the week Jake dies and the immediate aftermath, then a massive bleedout. Stupid move, GH. Stupid, stupid move.

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  1. Avatar of east.west
    east.west

    I am going to make the internet lose their collective shit and I don’t care. They should’ve stuck with the firing, b/c there’s no way they are going to give her story after Jake’s death.

  2. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    There Is Ton Of Story Left For Elizabeth

    ABC Needs To Sit Down With Frons and either fire him or tell him that his job is not to dictate stories on the shows

    Then they need to remove Guza’s producing Title and if they keep him get an EP That will keep him in check like Wendy Riche

    Then You will see GH more balanced

  3. Avatar of badass
    badass

    Part of me feel that gh rehired her just to kill of jake to make sure all her ties to jason is gone. Now I would not be suprise if they fire her again after all is said n done. Gh so dirty for that n still doing rh wrong.

  4. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    @badass Jake’s death was going to happen regardless. Originally, Liz would have gone crazy with grief following his death and have to be institutionalized. That was there plan, the old tried and true, wreck a character, then send her out of town foaming at the mouth, ala Laura.

  5. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    @appelridge The reason Wendy is gone, is because Guza allegedly said, “it’s her or me.” When ABC wouldn’t be blackmailed, he reportedly quit anyway, not knowing they planned to get rid of Wendy. Guza couldn’t stand working with Wendy. She wouldn’t let him run amuck.

  6. Avatar of alstonboy4315
    alstonboy4315

    The writers DESPISE the character of Elizabeth. They are only keeping her around and KILLING her child in hopes of a QUICK ratings boost. They are DETERMINED to stick that knife into the backs of “Liason” fans’ backs and twist it around for the next few weeks, and then they will go back to either NOT writing for Elizabeth or writing her in such an unsympathetic manner that those of us who don’t already dislike her will have no choice but to.

    This is a backhanded blessing for Liz and “Liason” fans. You get to keep your favorite character, but we are going to ruin her life and make her look like a horrible mother in the process.

    Of course, I am not a “Liason” fan, but that seems to be what I get out of the whole thing………..

    Of course, my amateur psychology might be way off track, but it sure as hell doesn’t seem like it.

    “Brian Frons, Phelps and Guza: “Liason” fans, take your “Liason” and CHOKE on it……CUE the mean grimace and manical laughter!!!” >) >) >) >)

  7. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]@appelridge The reason Wendy is gone, is because Guza allegedly said, “it’s her or me.” When ABC wouldn’t be blackmailed, he reportedly quit anyway, not knowing they planned to get rid of Wendy. Guza couldn’t stand working with Wendy. She wouldn’t let him run amuck.[/quote]

    Yeah I Heard That

    But ABC Needs To Do whats Best For GH and Thats Wendy Riche IMHO

  8. Avatar of saveourgh
    saveourgh

    Well, I’ve gotta say I agree that GH will probably see a spike on the days of the actual story…I ‘may’ actually watch to see which way they decide to take this story because things can always take a twist. However, I can also say that if it doesn’t take a twist and end in a positive situation for both children and the parents, GH and ABC will be hearing the same silence as is heard when a heart monitor goes silent. This is a horrible in my opinion, which I’m entitled to. A child doesn’t need to die and definitely not to save another with a kidney transplant and in a story that has been done already and better.

    Becky has a LOT of stories left as Elizabeth with or without Jake being alive, but if they don’t take a sharp turn with this story, it will be apparent to me that they’re going to continue to write her character completely distorted. Rebeccca’s, as well as Steve Burton’s characters are all written completely out of character and with no regard to history and their natural chemistry has been wasted. Even Jonathan Jackson’s Lucky is as if Jacob Young and Greg Vaughn were never there, which is not only disrespectful to them but to the audience as well.

    I’m thrilled they rehired Rebecca because she is truly talented and Elizabeth was/is a great character on GH. Sadly, management seems deadset on having this show go in direction that many, many of its fans do not want to see and, well, we don’t have to. Too bad they don’t understand that in sales and business, to succeed, you need to not only ‘get new customers’ but you need to ‘retain’ the ones you already have.

  9. Avatar of keanna
    keanna

    Alstonboy, I would pay you top dollar for you to analyze me, my friend!!! :) :) :love:

    I agree that they were going to do this regardless, the original plan was to have Jake killed, Liz go crazy, and have her committed. Now we’ll see if they really do write for Liz.

    I am neutral when it comes to Liason and JaSam, but they’re dividing fans more by doing this, just to add ratings, and Emmy material.

    I still say that this will be a HUGE and NEVERENDING backlash.

  10. Avatar of soapjunkie88
    soapjunkie88

    With this story there should be a movement with the fans to boycott “GH”. Even if it’s just for one episode … after this, fans should make the TPTB realize that they don’t have any power with the fans/viewers.

    It’s outraging what they are doing with Rebecca Herbst, the character Elizabeth and Liason. -.-

  11. Avatar of alstonboy4315
    alstonboy4315

    Keanna–

    I shall analyze you right now—-free of charge!! You are FABULOUS. Don’t ever change. :) :) :)

    And there will be a backlash. I have been a pretty faithful GH fan over the past two or so years, but lately I really don’t care if I miss an episode or not. I am sure that after this story plays out, I will go back to being indifferent about this show unless they can somehow manage to raise the OVERALL quality of the storytelling and the enjoyability of the stories.

    I foresee the show spiking for a few weeks, but once this story dies down, the same viewers who watched will quickly tune back out unless they have an incentive to keep watching.

    And as I have said before, I doubt that this story will spell “Emmy gold.” Most of the time on soaps in the past, stories centered around people losing children don’t even net them Emmy nominations. I have listed Julia Barr, Kristian Alfonso, Peter Reckell, Sharon Case, Peter Reckell, Beth Maitland and Tracey Bregman as examples of this. MOre examples?? Fiona Hutchinson on OLTL. Remember when Al died and she gave that BREATHTAKING performance??? NO Emmy nod. (And no Al wasn’t a “child” at the time, but she did give a kickass performance!!)

    I am sure some people are tired of me bringing this up, but it’s the truth. Dying babies don’t equal Emmys. And even if they did, that’s no justification for them to do it willy-nilly.

    And I am not a “Liason” or “JaSam” fan either, but I also know that I don’t like feeling like a show is peeing on my leg and trying to tell me it’s raining. It didn’t work for Judge Judy and it doesn’t work for me.

  12. Avatar of samanthadelayed
    samanthadelayed

    I am so glad becky is staying around.

    On a side note…..

    We better see some gratitude and sympathy from Carly on this one. She has been so horrible to Elizabeth over the years and her child is going to live because Jake is going to die. Ach! I cannot even stand it. Don’t get me wrong, I like Carly, but if they don’t give her some compassion towards Elizabeth on this one, I am giving up!

  13. Avatar of engradypind
    engradypind

    I have decided NOT to watch for at least the next 2 weeks. If GH uses the death of a child to prop up a Jason-Sam relationship, as it certainly appears they are doing rather than making Sam a more interesting character instead of the doormat she is, then GH can do without my viewership.

    While I am very much in favor of organ donation I see this storyline as a nasty trick to play on the viewers and another means of manipulating the shows ratings. The Guza-Frons collaboration has spelled disaster for GH which used to be “Love in the Afternoon” but has dissolved into a very, very poor and disgustingly boring imitation of The Sopranos.

    Why do I watch GH? Habit mostly. I started watching back in the days of Jessie Brewer and Dr. Steve Hardy. I’ve seen the show go from hospital-based to mobster central. There are no good guys in the show’s top tier of characters: not Sonny (barf), not Jason (also barf), not Luke (always a favorite but who has now become comic relief), not Johnny (cute but also dirty), not Jax (Carly’s chance at redemption who will be sacrificed to continue her unholy and unhealthy relationship with Sonny and especially Jason), not Spinelli (who has been contaminated and corrupted by mob association and employoment) maybe Patrick, Matt,and Steve (but they aren’t on enough to be appreciated.)What about Lucky? He isn’t getting the airtime he deserves as a prime character. Dante? Please! He is Sonny’s son and will always be suspect. Everytime he and Sonny have a scene together Dante slids a little closer to becoming another mob apologist. Again, no one to root for. Carly? Not in this lifetime. Both Robin and Liz have undergone character assassination in order to prop up Sonny, Jason and Carly. Sam? This little “pocket venus” is one of the most boring characters to come on the show in decades especially when she is in her “Jason’s doormat” role.

    With the cast of characters GH props up and force feeds the viewers, is it any wonder we aren’t bowing down to the idiots in charge who write the drivel they commit to the airways? Can’t they do any better? Are they all hacks with the imagination of a bucket of cold manure?

    Maybe it’s time to break the GH habit for good.

  14. Avatar of TheCreamTeam
    TheCreamTeam

    Things need to change over there as soon as possible. I haven’t talked to one person who wants to tune in to see ‘Jake die on the table’. (Latest SOW article)

    The show has been systematically killing off or vanquishing its legacy characters and alienating its audience. Now it’s killing a youth tied to its legacy.

    I have one BIG question for you, ABC: if General Hospital doesn’t believe in its future enough to keep Jake, AND ALL HIS POTENTIAL, on the canvas, then why should I?

    ABC needs to get this show balanced again. The ruthless agenda to clear a path for deadbeat-dad Jason to have a baby with child-endangering Sam is glaringly obvious. And yet, there isn’t a majority of fans from either Sam’s camp or Jason’s that wanted Jake to die to make this happen.

    I will not watch GH any more. I quit for the month Herbst was fired. I can quit again.

    Can I just point out as well, JASON did ASK Elizabeth and Jake to be in his life (and Elizabeth would have said YES) but took it all back after hearing gunmen assaulted her in the park when she was with Jake and Cam. SO If GH wants the moral of the story to be: Having Jason in Jake’s life would have saved him… THEN fatefully SAM is responsible for Jake’s death!!!!!!!

  15. Avatar of sweethart963
    sweethart963

    Goodbye General Hospital. I am done. I cannot and will not watch a show that thinks viciously killing Jake Webber is good story telling. They can tell themselves and viewers that it will be “powerful and emotional storytelling that not only would bring growth to our beloved characters, but also shed light on true priorities.” But I call BULL. I know what purely AGENDA driven garbage is when I hear it. There are simply no words for what I feel right now on this current plot point, I won’t even call it a story. It makes absolutely no sense to go this route. This is truly the final straw for me. I will never watch this ridiculous show again and will strongly encourage others not to as well. But my guess is I won’t have to because they will be leaving in droves themselves.

  16. Avatar of jldestiny
    jldestiny

    I will definitely be one of the ones that will not watch. Guza needs to be fired. If the best he can write is a repeat of a previous story then he is washed up. The show needs to hire some new talented writers. The show has not had one good storyline in 2 1/2 years. I started watching the show when Liz and Jason conceived Jake. I will quit watching when he dies. I don’t want to watch a storyline where a child dies. It does not matter to me that he will save another child. And it sure does not make it OK for Jason to have a child with the woman who wanted his child dead. He was not a father to his child,, just because he is gone does not make it OK to have another child to replace him. This whole storyline is stupid. It makes me sick to even think about. GH has finally wrote a story that is so BAD that I will never watch the show again. Hopefully, GH will be cancelled soon.

  17. Avatar of Marland Fan
    Marland Fan

    @Jamey Giddens Are you sure Jake’s death was going to happen anyway? Sounds like it was a plot designed specifically to send Elizabeth to the rubber room. It’s more likely once they decided to keep RH, they were unable to course-correct the Jake story.

  18. Avatar of 96meimei
    96meimei

    I’m glad Becky has the job she loves back. I would have been happy to see her move on, try something new but I realize she has a growing family and that’s her prime focus, so I have to be happy that’s she’s happy.

    I hate this s/l admittedly because it is useless and needless– I hate to see them use a child in this manner (fictional) but it’s the principle of the thing. General Hospital seems to have total disdain for women and children and I can’t watch it any longer, haven’t watched in in a long time, and I’m always surprised at the number of women that do watch daily.

    I could take some mob s/l if it weren’t on daily and characters like EW shoved to the side for ones like Carly or Sam they are such one note characters and really add very little to the show, IMO. I thought sure when LW came on Carly would grow but damn she just got louder. Two yrs ago EW had depth, she wasn’t anything like she is at this moment and it is all in the totally asinine writing.

    I hope in this death of a child she is pulled back from the way she has been written and frankly I don’t care if she is ever with jm again, nor lucy and Nic is not an option. Give her a new s/l with her remaining children intact and a realistic person in her life. I don’t really expect it because they don’t have a clue how to write a normal everyday woman but it would be nice if someone actually tried.

    Shame on ABC/Disney/Prospect for the poor showing you are making for daytime fare.

  19. Avatar of coolblue
    coolblue

    This is a terrible rip-off of the heartbreaking BJ/Maxie storyline. From some of the rumors/spoilers it will turn into a “who hit Jake” story shortly after the death. I already know he was hit by the dictator that originally planned for this to be Elizabeth’s exit story. GH sucks.

  20. Avatar of baycity
    baycity

    alstonboy, believe it or not, it was actually you and the DC crew that got me into watching GH again. I’d quit watching in or around 2002, but after reading and listening to you guys praise GH to the skies during the past year or so, I decided to give it another go. It was entertaining, but I still had my same old gripes about their not respecting women, not being true to who Liz was, and not using the Q’s and other vets.

    There are many things I still like about GH, especially the way they tie their stories together; but I now feel that all it will take is just ONE more slap in the face, like little Jake’s death, to make me quit it again.

  21. Avatar of jlafferty23
    jlafferty23

    I’m staying out of this stupid debate about Jake dying.

    But I glad Rebecca is staying. I don’t like the Liz character at all, but I love Lucky/Liz, I can tolerate her when she’s with him.

    And I love Rebecca, I met her once at a fan event, such a sweet and humble person. And she’s gorgeous.

  22. Avatar of lisa123
    lisa123

    Wow, Frons tried to fire Becky to magicially make his agenda work after bombing and he got told to sit the hell down. So now he’ll kill off their kid, and THAT will magically make his agenda work?

    Jason’s kid he dumped dies so Jason can magically spawn with the chick that endangered him.

    That will bring in viewers Fronzie. Nobody will notice the ginormous whitewash in it all. LOL!!

  23. Avatar of TheCreamTeam
    TheCreamTeam

    [quote=keanna]Alstonboy, I would pay you top dollar for you to analyze me, my friend!!! :) :) :love:

    I agree that they were going to do this regardless, the original plan was to have Jake killed, Liz go crazy, and have her committed. Now we’ll see if they really do write for Liz.

    I am neutral when it comes to Liason and JaSam, but they’re dividing fans more by doing this, just to add ratings, and Emmy material.

    I still say that this will be a HUGE and NEVERENDING backlash.[/quote]

    I think you are right about the backlash being never ending and the divide even deeper. If Guza is now saying the mob WASN’T a reason for Jason to be out of Jake’s life.. then we go back to SAM. Jason was just asked Elizabeth to be part of his life when she had to tell him about the gunmen in the park. BECAUSE of that HE took it back and made Elizabeth walk away. SAM hired those gunmen… but what do you want to bet Guza forgets all about that? Problem being the fans don’t.

    Besides, the mob is still dangerous right? Just ask brain damaged, buttraped Michael.

  24. Avatar of petitejolie
    petitejolie

    After watching today’s episode, I hope it turns out that Sam was the one who hit Jake. That would be the most dramatic twist to this story and can fuel more Sam vs Elisabeth fans anger online.

  25. Avatar of alstonboy4315
    alstonboy4315

    Baycity–

    I am glad to hear that my words carried so much weight with you. I have never had anyone tell me that I inspired them to start watching a soap before. :) :) :) That warms my jaded heart. Thanks for making me smile. Seriously.

    I mainly enjoy (ed) GH because of the great dialogue, interesting character interactions (that don’t seem contrived or forced most of the time), the fact that it has, what I believe is the best cast in daytime, the well-written characters that keep me on the edge of my seat and Maurice Benard’s dimples. ;) ;) ;) ;) (not to mention Brandon Barash’s OVERALL HOTNESS!!!!)

    But lately, I feel GH starting to become more generic and unappealing. The quality of the stories have dropped and I am no longer as emotionally invested as I once was.

    Of course, I don’t think it’s UNWATCHABLE yet, like AMC is, but it’s getting there. And this latest move is just totally ridiculous. If the other stories were more up to snuff, I might be more inclined to ride out this current rough patch. Well, it sounds like I have already given up on the show, but I really haven’t. I will keep watching. It’s still my 2nd favorite soap, behind Y&R. I will give it three more months before I ditch it, as I did with AMC.

  26. Avatar of KMRDaytime
    KMRDaytime

    I had watched General Hospital for nearly 30 years but stopped when Frons and Guza felt the only way to force feed their couple was to destroy my favorite character – Elizabeth. For a good writer, having Jason struggle with choosing between two worthy loves would be a gift but it’s clear that Guza simply is not good enough for that. Although I stopped watching, I have lurked — reading summaries, reading spoilers — looking for a reason to return to the show that was a part of my life for so long but now, with Jake’s death, I am done. There will be no ratings spike from me — GH is as good as cancelled. If I have a yen for the characters I loved for so long, I can visit on youtube — they certainly aren’t on television anymore.

  27. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Ahhh Liason Confidential is hot and happening today. Laughing my you know what off at all the conspiracy theories, esp. the its all sam the child endangerers fault. Except that a. the woman that took jake would still have taken jake even if sam hadnt been there because LIZ wasnt paying attention and b. Jake nearly died during the carnival because LIZ wasnt paying attention (not to mention she left him in the hospital to go boink the brother of her fiancee) and c. Jake nearly died in a house fire because LIZ’s son is a pyromaniac (who probably set robins house on fire) and LIZ wasnt paying attention and d. Liason reunited after the faux gunmen in the park but ultimately split after LIZ went around loudly chasing Jason leading to the Russians uncovering the connection and going after LIZ and both boys. SAM saved them all the first time and then was the main factor in saving him from death in the exploding cabin and e. LIZ is the one that is so anxious to use Aiden to manipulate Lucky into a reunion now that Nik upgraded to Brooke that LIZ apparently wasnt paying attention and left the door open allowing Jake to escape. But SAM is the one that is at fault GMAB. Liz fans may forget history, but JaSam fans never will.

  28. Avatar of monica186
    monica186

    I am so angry about this storyline. Just so, so angry. I was really looking forward to watching Jake grow up and all of the conflict that having 2 dads would bring. The GH writers are blood-thirsty, child-murdering bastards who apparently don’t have the talent to tell a touching, emotional, “Port Charles Will Never Be the Same” story without killing a child/fetus or putting a child in harm’s way. GH has been pulling this crap for years: (in no particular order – and I’m sure I missed a bunch)

    - Sam’s baby dies so Kristina can live (see, we already had a redux of the BJ/Maxie story!)
    - Lily’s baby dies so we can all mock click-boom for years to come
    - BJ dies so Maxie can live
    - Michael murders AJ (eventually, that storyline changed due to fan outrage)
    - Liz is raped
    - Michael is raped
    - Jake is kidnapped
    - Jake is hit by a car
    - Morgan is nearly shot while being born
    - Michael shoots Kate
    - Michael is shot and in in a coma
    - The Corinthos children are kidnapped by Faith Roscoe and end up in a shoot out
    - Kristina is abused by her boyfriend
    - Almost every child in Port Charles is put on a doomed bus – 1 dies

    Okay, I’m running out of steam, but I know you are all thinking of plenty more as you read this. Why does GH hate children?

  29. Avatar of jlafferty23
    jlafferty23

    Here’s the way I look at it.

    These children on soaps do not grow up in normal lives, they all have screwed up parents, and they are forced to grow up faster then “real life” kids.

    Sonny’s kids being screwed up makes perfect sense to me. “The Sins of the Father”

    I don’t agree with them killing of Jake, but I can’t do anything about it, I will watch and enjoy Becky, Jonathan and Steve KILL IT!

  30. Avatar of mecasey
    mecasey

    I am very happy that during a time of loss and pain for Becky, her fans were able to demonstrate their support and love to her and get her to open her eyes about TPTB at GH. The writers, on the directive of someone in charge, have spent the last 2 1/2 years working overtime to shred and destroy Liz, so that when they were ready to write BH out, few would care. I am forever thankful to the fans (myself included) who put pen to paper and forwarded our thoughts off to abc daytime regarding our feelings on their inexplicable decision to let her go. I was glad that Becky found solace via our correspondence to her.

    Now that BH is back with GH, I want better story for Liz. I don’t give a damm about Lucky, Nik or the ultimate and eternally spineless ass loser that is Jason Morgan. I simply want better for Liz. Should it not occur, I will be writing to Becky to seek other opportunites and cease my 18+ years of viewership from GH. I’m tired of GH flipping the finger to my viewership. I am not a sheep to be trained.

    I abhor that Jake has to die to give Jasam a baby. I don’t worry about that though cause I’ve no doubt Guza will kill the Jasam spawn too so that Jason can do another walk of shame. It’s actually all his ass is good for.

    RIP Jake. You were a beautiful, sweet child who was greatly beloved by your mother and Lucky.

  31. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=engradypind]I have decided NOT to watch for at least the next 2 weeks. If GH uses the death of a child to prop up a Jason-Sam relationship, as it certainly appears they are doing rather than making Sam a more interesting character instead of the doormat she is, then GH can do without my viewership.
    I see this storyline as a nasty trick to play on the viewers and another means of manipulating the shows ratings.
    Why do I watch GH? Habit mostly. I started watching back in the days of Jessie Brewer and Dr. Steve Hardy. Maybe it’s time to break the GH habit for good.[/quote]

    I told myself I wasn’t going to comment on this article. I am so tired of talking about Jake’s death and the ‘meaning’ behind it.
    Until I came across your post. What you said, I couldn’t have expressed better.
    I too go back to the days of Audrey & Jessie. Lucille. Dr Steve. Phil Brewer. So I know the history. Shows do have to change somewhat with the times, I get that. And knowing that it is my decision to continue to watch. However, to stoop so low, to go back in time over a story that really was an ICON of a story for GH in its time, sickens me!
    I too have decided to take GH off DVR after the accident. I refuse to play into such ‘garbage’ and desperation that this show is pulling.

    Nice post. I enjoyed reading it. Thank You.

  32. Avatar of GH Oldie
    GH Oldie

    I have been watching GH for over 40 years and I don’t believe I have ever read someone so judgemental as EET. So you are a Jasam fan but not everyone is and I find your posts are getting more ego driven every time I read one. Lighten up……….we all have our favourite couple but we don’t go into rants like you do everyday. This is getting extremely TIRESOME……….take a pill.

  33. Avatar of
    JAQ

    So Jamey what is left for the writing of Liz? Bitterness? Anger? Because anyone would go thru a period of feeling that after there child dies.
    I wasn’t a fan of Liz before, so now I think the character is going to get worse. JMO

  34. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Sling arrows all you like, but I dont post any more for my favorites than MANY on this board post for theirs. To paraphrase you, not everyone is a fan of your favorite couple and we are ALL entitled to our own opinions, even ones that you dont agree with. And I might point out that aside from brooke being an upgrade, which is an opinion vs. brooke is who nik is chosing at this time, which is factual, and cam being a pyro, which again is an opinion. vs. saying he has been shown as a child fascinated by fire and playing with matches, which would be factual, everything else I said I believe was factually accurate. Liz did lose track of jake when maureen napped him and she did lose track of him at the carnival and she did leave him in the hospital and she did bring on the russian attack and she did leave the door open. I dont see how thats ego driven any more or any less than someone saying in their opinion if jason is good for jake then Sam killed jake by hiring the faux gunman.

    Look, I dont want jake dead, I have said that a number of times, but the tsunami in japan is an international tragedy NOT the death of a fictional kid.

    Are you really that upset that one post out of 38 took an anti jiz stance. you all have already pretty much run off most of the other JaSam fans with these kinds of attacks, I guess maybe you wont be happy til we are all gone.

  35. Avatar of GH Oldie
    GH Oldie

    EET………….I don’t have a problem as to whether or not you are a LIASON fan or a JASAM fan but you seem to be so fanatical about what you post as if yours is the only post to read. I don’t really care for either of these couples but the way it comes across to me (from your posts) is that it almost seems like everyday you are on a rant lately. I usually thoroughly enjoy your posts but for the last week or so NEH.

  36. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    Well, I just told my mother about Jake dying and even SHE was shocked and she hasn’t watched the show on a regular basis in YEARS. The only time she watches is when she has a day off from work, which is rare, considering her job. That said, she was also shocked about Becky being fired, since she knew the history of the character and she had seen all the pictures I had taken of and with Becky at the GH fan club weekends and at her Soiree events, which are always fun. Wow, what a year for me to miss attending GHFCW and especially Becky’s event this go round.

    (And thank you DC for fixing my posting issue. I can’t NOT be on this site at least 3 times… in the same hour, even at work! LOL)

  37. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    @JAQ I am not sure what is planned for Liz now. Honestly, I can’t imagine it will be anything too spectacular. They’ve been trying to write this character out for a long time. That is no conspiracy theory, it’s a fact, shared to me by some of the same sources that have helped me break just about every major story about ABC Daytime in the past three years. I can’t imagine the brass is too happy the fans forced them to keep her, so I don’t anticipate any inspired storytelling for the character of Liz. Hopefully they will prove me wrong.

  38. Avatar of
    JAQ

    This is my thought about Liz….after things calm down, losing Jake, I would like to see her “paired up” with a certain someone who would make a wonderful husband and father to her children. She and her kids could eat BBQ chips and Orange soda on Jason’s couch! Can you guess WHO? ;) Spliz?

    That way, she can be close to Jason again!!!!!!!!! And then the Liason fans could read more into it, than there actually is. ;)
    Ohhhh and Liz can go back to making them brownies she is so known for making for the new men at the hospital!!! :*

  39. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    SPIZ!! Now thats inspired!!

    Jamey I am more addressing the idea espoused by some that this was done ONLY to bring on a JaSam baby and all the extrapolations of that idea as if JaSam only works if all traces of Liason disappears. I dont know if they have been trying to write her out – I would have thought if thats the case that they would have done so when she was preggers or before firing gv if they wanted to ensure there was no pressure to do an LL2 redo, allowing them to keep lucky undomesticated. – but that doesnt shock me one way or the other (tptb wanting to keep her or not keeping her). IF they were planning this to give JaSam a baby AND they have been planning RH leaving for a long time, wouldnt they have been setting the stage for Sam getting her pregnancy procedure news earlier?

    Oldie nearly half of the gh related threads in the last two weeks have been Jake/Liz centric. Color me crazy but thats the topic of the thread so thats what I am commenting on. In perkies obs, I spoke about johnny, robin, and carly quite a bit and in fact gave quite a passionate defense of johnny and carly this week. The brenda story is so dull that I dont know what more can be said about it that hasnt been said. I am sorry that didnt register with you, but I dont expect most people to be a “fan” on a site where my favorites are routinely bashed and the character I like least is praised as the fan proclaimed heart of the show and the second coming of laura. Remember I sat through weeks of my favorite character Sam losing HER child – my heart broke for her, but that was when I really fell in love with JaSam. Maybe jakes death will make me fall back in love with LL2 – I did love them back in the day and stranger things have happened. But as much as that story made me fall in love with JaSam, you want to talk about spitting in a fan bases face – they killed off lila, gave her daughters name to ANOTHER baby, ripped hope away from sam, killed off her brother, wrote her soulmate leaving her on what could have been her deathbed, gave her five faux marriages that never ever were part of the backstory, destroyed her career, wrote her boinking her mother’s husband only to find out mommy had cancer, wrote a ONS in for her man and her nemisis, and then made her watch a babynapping. OF COURSE its going to frustrate me to hear all these claims of agenda agenda agenda after sitting through that two year period, esp. when most of the jaSam fans seem to have abandoned dc. Its a lonely little group of us left.

  40. Avatar of
    JAQ

    they killed off lila, gave her daughters name to ANOTHER baby
    *****************************
    I am confused. Skye’s baby Lila was killed off?

  41. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    NO!!! Sam’s baby was suppose to be named LILA. Sam was almost due when Lila died and sam asked Jason if he would like to name the baby after his grandmother. Jason got teary and said his grandmother would love the idea of giving her name to their child. Next thing fans knew, Lila McCall was buried as BABY McCall and a few months later skye named her child Lila. The next generation lila was SUPPOSE to be Jasons little girl. Thats exactly what I mean about the indignaties JaSam fans had to endure…the practically erased that discussion. UGH.

  42. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Great memory EET. I remember the baby being buried as Baby McCall.
    The Lila thing went right over my head. 0:)

    I don’t put much into Sam getting pregnant now. Maybe she will, maybe she won’t. I don’t see Jason on this show in 3-5 years. He has enough money he doesn’t need to continue to work like he is. He has other things he is vested in. I am hoping that perhaps, one day, Sam will get pregnant, and her and Jason will leave together, probably the country for the safety of the baby.
    It will be a boy and they will name him for his brother Jake, or it will be a girl named for the wonderful, beautiful, talented, Icon Lila Q! :love:

  43. Avatar of mecasey
    mecasey

    Jamey, I don’t believe the fans forced TPTB into anything. TPTB don’t listen to the fans. They do what they want. Whatever the reason BH was rehired, I don’t see it as the fans forcing them into keeping her or any actor. If that was the case, better writing for Liz would follow.

  44. Avatar of sassysdreams
    sassysdreams

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]RH – “It was surreal,” she recalls of that fateful Friday meeting with the show’s executives in which she was told the news. “I didn’t see it coming.”[/quote]

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]They’ve been trying to write this character out for a long time. That is no conspiracy theory, it’s a fact, shared to me by some of the same sources that have helped me break just about every major story about ABC Daytime in the past three years. I can’t imagine the brass is too happy the fans forced them to keep her, so I don’t anticipate any inspired storytelling for the character of Liz. Hopefully they will prove me wrong.[/quote]

    Jamey I’m confused. If TPTB have been “trying to write this character out for a long time” wouldn’t you think that the actor playing her would have some sense of it? If what you say is true then why would RH be so surprised that she was being let go?

  45. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    Here’s my theory on it:

    Even if it were true that they had been trying to write her out for a long time, there are two possibilities:

    One: She was truly unaware of what was going on around her, that the head honchos wanted her gone.

    Two: She knew they wanted her gone, but was totally shocked they actually went through with it, given her loyalty with them over so many years.

    Given her wording of “I didn’t see it coming”, I’m guessing it’s the former, that she was just blindly unaware. She’s not the first person in her position to say that, and she won’t be the last, especially where all these shows are concerned. We fans often hear things the actors are unaware of until they read it on the page or get it straight from the horses mouth, due to sources. So, it happens, especially if you’re just focused on the craft at hand and nothing more. I believe she didn’t see it coming, even if the fans could see it miles away, given the shabby writing and that debacle known as NIZ, even if the rumors about Fronz not being fond of her are true, because she probably doesn’t let herself get involved in the pettiness that can go on behind the scenes at these shows. Some folks are just there to do a job and to please their fans the best way they know how with the material they are given, crappy or not, and Becky seems like that kind of person to me. I have a feeling if she weren’t blindsided, she wouldn’t have reportedly broken down on the set.

  46. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    Oh, I was going to add that my mother went through the same thing Becky went through, which is probably why it made me so angry, other than the obvious, because I could empathize. Everyone, from her so called friends to her coworkers, knew that my mother was possibly getting fired from her 30 year job of working for the government, and they all talked about it ad nauseam behind her back like it was high school, but she didn’t know a thing because she doesn’t get involved in work gossip anymore. It wasn’t until her supervisor told her to her face that they were possibly letting her go that the so called “friends” and fellow coworkers mentioned hearing rumblings beforehand. Thank God she never lost her position, given her tenure and seniority, but again, it happens.

  47. Avatar of sassysdreams
    sassysdreams

    GHfan-4now – Thank you for the reasonable and well explained answer. I appreciate it.

    And I’m very glad that your mother didn’t loose her job! It’s unfortunate that she has to work with people whom she knows didn’t have her back after 30 years. But what goes around…

  48. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    Ghfan-4now,,,,,I heard the rumors that JFP/Frons/Pratt wanted Becky gone back in 2002 when they started drooling all over ALW because she was an impediment to Jason/Coho pairing. Guza is the one that called Becky for a s/l while she was on maternity leave in 2004 when Frons/Pratt/JFP didn’t want to keep her on the show.

    It is truly sad that Laura/Liz are the female half of LnL and LnL2 and they get to birth Spencer babies then sent off to Shadybrook. Grrrr.

    It’s not unusual for someone to do their job and not get involved in the backstage hoopla and it sounds like that is what Becky was doing. Becky has had several popular pairings with LnL2, Liason, LiRic, and there are fans of Liz/Patrick, Liz/Lorenzo, and Niz.

  49. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    You’re very welcome, Sassy. :) I just wanted to show a possibility as to why Becky might have been blindsided/shocked by it happening. And thank you about my mother too. She had a really tough time then, but just celebrated 31 years this month. And those who were talking and knew what would possibly happen to her, eventually left on their own accord not long after, or they were fired themselves for various reasons. Luckily, she is still in the same position working with a much more supportive group of people this time around. The others got what was coming around. Not to wish them any ill will by any means, but something like that, someone losing their livelihood and discussing it like it’s nothing, is serious. I guess they didn’t understand that, unfortunately.

    And liason4real, eye opening info about Jason/Courtney or ‘Journey’ as they were called – :sick: – and how that came about. I absolutely abhorred that paring. Just was NOT a fan. At all. I didn’t even get online too much back then, in regards to all the backstage gossip I gobble up now, but I always thought from the beginning that it was contrived. When she first gave him that lap dance at Coleman’s club, I just rolled my eyes, sat back and thought ‘here we go’. And soon enough, it went. I liked Carly finally having a female friend and showing some sympathy for another woman for once, but I think that was more due to Tams and ALW real life BFF relationship. I never cared for the character of Courtney, but I did like her all right with Jax. Then they did the whole Ick thing with Nik and I was TOTALLY done. And I too hate that the female sides of LnL and LnL2 give birth to the babies, then get sent off to Shadybrook for whatever reason. And as much as I can’t STAND Lulu, even SHE spent time there.

  50. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Sassy……..Jamey I’m confused. If TPTB have been “trying to write this character out for a long time” wouldn’t you think that the actor playing her would have some sense of it? If what you say is true then why would RH be so surprised that she was being let go?
    *************************************
    :beer: :bigsmile:

  51. Avatar of
    JAQ

    EET
    You have a brilliant thoughtful way of expressing yourself.
    Do yourself a favor, as I am learning myself.
    Stay away from story headings that are about Liz.

    This Liason fanbase will come crawling out like cockroach’s. It isn’t
    worth the aggrivation for you when your input is needed & appreciated elsewhere.

  52. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    Guys, guys, GUYS… Has absolutely NO ONE seen or heard about this on the Soap Opera Digest Website???? Or has it not been reported on because it could be nothing more than petty gossip and wishful thinking??? Inquiring minds are absolutely DESPERATE to know??? I check the SOD website every friday morning to see what the SOD covers will be, which determines whether or not I will buy them, and you KNOW this news stood out to me!!!

    [quote] Guza’s Future at GH in Question
    We’re hearing that Robert Guza, Jr. is on his way out as GENERAL HOSPITAL’s head writer. ABC Daytime doesn’t comment on rumors, but an insider tells us there’s a good chance it’s true. [/quote]

    source: http://soapoperadigest.com/news/breaking/

  53. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    Rebecca Herbst is a class act.

    I read the article in SID, and she credits so many for saving her job, and is very appreciative for all that was done on her behalf…she said even Jasam fans stepped up for her in her time of need. She was gracious and thankful to all.

    She talked of how this whole experience brought her and her family closer together, and opened her eyes to what is really important in life. She relied on her faith to get her through this. She put her trust in God, that at this time he had another path for her. When JFP came to her dressing room to tell her a mistake had been made, and that they wanted her to stay on…she didn’t quite understand as she had finally gotten to the point of accepting her new path….She realized then…that her path was still at GH, and that she did not have to leave her “second family”, at this time. Yes that is how she thinks of GH…as her second family…

    She is most definitely a class act…I for one am thrilled she is staying.

  54. Avatar of Cyberologist
    Cyberologist

    [quote=engradypind]I have decided NOT to watch for at least the next 2 weeks. If GH uses the death of a child to prop up a Jason-Sam relationship, as it certainly appears they are doing rather than making Sam a more interesting character instead of the doormat she is, then GH can do without my viewership.

    While I am very much in favor of organ donation I see this storyline as a nasty trick to play on the viewers and another means of manipulating the shows ratings. The Guza-Frons collaboration has spelled disaster for GH which used to be “Love in the Afternoon” but has dissolved into a very, very poor and disgustingly boring imitation of The Sopranos.

    Why do I watch GH? Habit mostly. I started watching back in the days of Jessie Brewer and Dr. Steve Hardy. I’ve seen the show go from hospital-based to mobster central. There are no good guys in the show’s top tier of characters: not Sonny (barf), not Jason (also barf), not Luke (always a favorite but who has now become comic relief), not Johnny (cute but also dirty), not Jax (Carly’s chance at redemption who will be sacrificed to continue her unholy and unhealthy relationship with Sonny and especially Jason), not Spinelli (who has been contaminated and corrupted by mob association and employoment) maybe Patrick, Matt,and Steve (but they aren’t on enough to be appreciated.)What about Lucky? He isn’t getting the airtime he deserves as a prime character. Dante? Please! He is Sonny’s son and will always be suspect. Everytime he and Sonny have a scene together Dante slids a little closer to becoming another mob apologist. Again, no one to root for. Carly? Not in this lifetime. Both Robin and Liz have undergone character assassination in order to prop up Sonny, Jason and Carly. Sam? This little “pocket venus” is one of the most boring characters to come on the show in decades especially when she is in her “Jason’s doormat” role.

    With the cast of characters GH props up and force feeds the viewers, is it any wonder we aren’t bowing down to the idiots in charge who write the drivel they commit to the airways? Can’t they do any better? Are they all hacks with the imagination of a bucket of cold manure?

    Maybe it’s time to break the GH habit for good.[/quote]

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    They have always used Jake as their prop since the cabin in the woods 2008 or having Liz with some of the worse writing I’ve seen coming up against this vanilla pairing…She won’t get a reel out of this..Luke Lucky or / and Jason will…all she’ll do is beat herself up in dialog “its all my fault” they never give her anything to work with…just triangles WTD babies that’s it. The emmy reels goes to the pets. Elizabeth will not get written with a positive focus…she’ll tell Jason he was right and she was wrong that’s all it will be a Jason/Lucky story and she won’t get diddly.

  55. Avatar of js3557
    js3557

    Just to clarify a few things:

    -Jake was kidnapped while Liz was tying Cam’s shoe in the park. Liz did nothing wrong in that situation. I have seen that exact thing (mom bending down to tie one kid’s shoe with a baby/toddler in a carriage behind her) hundreds of times. The people who did wrong in that scene were teh baby-napper and Sam.
    -I love that people get that Cam is a pyro. He played with matches and set a fire once. Yes, the matches should have been put up higher, but accidents happen. Maxie set the Scorpio house fire by forgetting to blow out the candles she lit while entertaining the boys (who entertains kids with fire anyway?)
    -The Russians followed Liz, Lucky and Sam to the cabin because they were following Sam, not Liz.
    -As we saw yesterday – Liz did not leave the door open. The door was shut, Jake was playing on the step in front of the door, and Liz was looking at the mail. Jake openned the door quietly (as we did not hear any noise) and slipped out. That could happen to anyone. That was not Liz’s fault and she it did not happen because she wasn’t paying attention. She was doing something that moms do every day all across the world…read her mail.

  56. Avatar of GHFan777
    GHFan777

    js3557 wrote

    just to clarify a few things:

    -Jake was kidnapped while Liz was tying Cam’s shoe in the park. Liz did nothing wrong in that situation. I have seen that exact thing (mom bending down to tie one kid’s shoe with a baby/toddler in a carriage behind her) hundreds of times. The people who did wrong in that scene were teh baby-napper and Sam.
    -I love that people get that Cam is a pyro. He played with matches and set a fire once. Yes, the matches should have been put up higher, but accidents happen. Maxie set the Scorpio house fire by forgetting to blow out the candles she lit while entertaining the boys (who entertains kids with fire anyway?)
    -The Russians followed Liz, Lucky and Sam to the cabin because they were following Sam, not Liz.
    -As we saw yesterday – Liz did not leave the door open. The door was shut, Jake was playing on the step in front of the door, and Liz was looking at the mail. Jake openned the door quietly (as we did not hear any noise) and slipped out. That could happen to anyone. That was not Liz’s fault and she it did not happen because she wasn’t paying attention. She was doing something that moms do every day all across the world…read her mail.

    TY for posting this. I agreed with everything you had to say…and it is a fair representation of what happened, minus the previous poster’s bias. I saw that post and thought of replying to it, but there are a few posters on here that go into attack mode if you don’t see things the same way that they do….so I figured why bother.

  57. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Thanks again for getting personal with me.

    Just for the record, the Russian lawyer told Liz point blank that they knew about the Jiz connection because of her when Jake was missing and the brought her in to the PCPD to be questioned. She mentioned NOTHING about sam.

    Second, when I take my DOG to the park, I dont take my eyes off of her, not even for a second.

    Pyro – tail end at the one minute mark. And who would blame him, how many “daddies” and how many homes has he now had?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFmi2rYmjrk

    I love how when some fans have a POV, its a POV and when other fans have a POV its bias.

  58. Avatar of Marland Fan
    Marland Fan

    Yes, I am 100 percent positive Jake was going to die either way. This was supposed to be Liz (Becky’s) exit storyline. She was to go insane with grief.

    —————————————————————————

    That was my point. If TPTB hadn’t fired RH, the Jake story wouldn’t even exist. Are you saying it would have? I think once they had to backtrack on their decision to drop RH, it was too late into production to stop the Jake story from airing.

  59. Avatar of js3557
    js3557

    Well, being the mom to two kids, it’s impossible to keep your eyes on 2 kids at same time non-stop 24-7 unless you staple them together. I’m sure it’s much easier to keep your eye on one dog. Was she supposed to put Cam on top of the carriage to tie his shoe? Even if they were facing in the same direction she would still be bending down and looking at the shoe. Should she have been psychic and known that a crazy chick was on the prowl for a baby and that Sam would watch a baby be kidnapped?
    One dog in the park compared to two kids… the two situations are not even remotely similar. I hate when people compare their pets to children. It’s a “pet peeve” of mine (pun intended).

    Sam was trying to infilitrate the Russian mob and they were following her that day…not Liz.

    I’m done arguing about it. Some people twist Liz’s every movement into sinister acts and evil intentions. She could give Sonny CPR and people would say that she was hitting on him. She could push Sam out of the way of a bullet and people would say that she just wanted an excuse to knock her down out of jealousy. Oh well…not worth the time.

  60. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    “Dont you dare try to blame this on me”
    “Its true! The only reason for taking your son would be leverage over your boyfriend Jason Morgan. Now if you wanted your kids to be safe you should have found somebody else to date”

    4:30 Mark

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l00DbRz-OsQ

    Not evil intent or sinister acts just carelessness and selfishness given how many times jason warned her as did lucky

    “if the Russian mob gets any idea you are involved with jason they will come straight for you”….”Elizabeth, he’s right, you need to stay away from me”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX0pu8WCuUY

    So glad I bookmarked these from the 2 or 3 times before when people tried to blame sam for that one!

    As for the dog vs. a kid, jake wasnt distracted by the thought of chasing squirrels either lol. And while I guess two is harder than one, the fact that she lost track of him at the park, at the carnival and now leaving the door unlocked – one time it happens, two times I would be on guard, three times?? Again not sinsister or evil just not winner winner webber dinner.

  61. Avatar of starr
    starr

    EET, Your name describes you perfect. I’m just going to say it. You are being annoying and childish. Go find a Jasam thread to spread your love on. You are simply trying to bait Liz/Liason fans. It’s safe to say we don’t agree. You continuing to instigate fights is beyond immature. Liason fans don’t like Sam. Jasam fans don’t like Liz. This being a Liz thread, I’m not sure why you feel the need to be involved at all. Now I suppose you’re gonna cry about “I can be where ever I want! You do it to Sam!” Blah blah blah. You’re a sh*t starter. Go start it somewhere else. Aren’t they missing you at abc.com anyway?

  62. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Aww starr but I am your biggest fan…I am just glad that you joined just to insult me personally just makes me want to keep a sharing…..

    so since you want to swap clips. How about these…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMAFvruoQk
    Elizabeth pulls a gun on Jason

    Jason tells Courtney he never loved Liz
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ4VbyNZ46U&playnext=1&list=PL75D68F054E88190D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZnvXqciN2M
    Jason tells Liz to get out!

  63. Avatar of Kazy24
    Kazy24

    Cockroaches? Well I suppose that is rather truthful as my love for liason will NEVER die. Of course Jasam could be compared to something in need of squashing as well…Let’s not kid ourselves here ladies and gents, some jasam fans can be just as nasty about Liz/Liason as some Liason fans are about Sam/Jasam. Saying otherwise would be a bold faced lie. So neither one of our fanbases can afford to play the victim in such discussions.

  64. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Kazy just to be clear, Jaq is not a jaSam fan, she is not a fan of either woman but was defending me because I have been personally called out a number of times over the last few days, the last time just five minutes ago by someone who has been a poster for all of a minute. I have said many many times that there are good eggs and bad eggs in both camps, I said I didnt think jake should be killed several times (as did Jaq) and I said that I didnt think they should fire Becky several times (although I am upset that the money could be made up by firing other vets in her place that I happen to adore, but if we can keep them all we should). I just simply object to others attacking sam and then crying that I am annoying or selfish or baiting or they are SO over it when they get a response and I am beyond tired of the vote with your remote, I hope guza and frons lose their jobs and the show goes off the air for not being pro liason mantra that has been repeated ad naseum by certain Liz fans (not all, not most, but some) over the last month or so. I have been trying to be diplomatic when becky got fired and yet I was accused of secretly being happy she was fired and called names anyway, but no more. Had no one ever called out sam or started the vote with your remote Im tuning out sam gets whitewashed and only liz/becky ever got the shaft from gh, I wouldnt have said peep but if people are going to attack me I am not going to slink off like the bullies want. I dont consider you like that, I dont consider all or most liason fans like that, but some definately are and I wont be run off the way most of the other sam fans have been over the last year.

  65. Avatar of sassysdreams
    sassysdreams

    [quote=starr]EET, Your name describes you perfect. I’m just going to say it. You are being annoying and childish. Go find a Jasam thread to spread your love on. You are simply trying to bait Liz/Liason fans. It’s safe to say we don’t agree. You continuing to instigate fights is beyond immature. Liason fans don’t like Sam. Jasam fans don’t like Liz. This being a Liz thread, I’m not sure why you feel the need to be involved at all. Now I suppose you’re gonna cry about “I can be where ever I want! You do it to Sam!” Blah blah blah. You’re a sh*t starter. Go start it somewhere else. Aren’t they missing you at abc.com anyway?[/quote]

    Starr, considering that you JUST registered on this web site TODAY, you are an extremely rude, condescending, disrespectful person in MY opinion!!!!! Why don’t you crawl back under the rock you obviously crawled out under from!!!

    And if you would like to call me “annoying and childish” as well go right ahead! But I suggest you look in the mirror first since you are clearly both of those things!!!

  66. Avatar of starr
    starr

    Just because I just registered to post doesn’t mean I haven’t been around. I just think you’re are baiters. You come around Liz posts looking to make trouble. Congrats you’ve done it. I don’t lurk in Jasam threads let alone post in them. I stick to my fanbase sites and threads. If I want to bash Sam I do it with them. You keep claiming you won’t be bullied but you are the one bullying. You are here kicking a fanbase while it’s down. Congrats. Now I will go back to lurking and watching your “mean girl” act spew all over this web site. You win. Hope it feels good.

  67. Avatar of
    JAQ

    EET…Personal Message

    This ‘new person’ is playing games with me, you and another on this forum, and another forum I go to.
    BRING IT ON! |(
    I don’t back down to ‘bullies’.
    The word ‘cockroach’s’ I feel is very appropriate for how I was trying to get my message across. Obviously it worked! lol

    The difference EET between you and I, is you write more eloquently than I do. Though we have the same thoughts, you express yourself better than I do. For that I apologize to people who read my posts.
    There are a few people on this forum who are respectful, funny, and it don’t matter to them how ‘wound up’ people get over this show. LOVE those people. I read all their posts. The other’s for the most part, after the first sentence I move on.

    EET you have nothing to apologize for. Or be shameful for expressing yourself. I have yet to see a post where you slammed anyone. Simply expressed how you feel, which some don’t want to hear. Then SKIP over her posts! And mine! You won’t be hurting my feelings. In fact you would be doing me a favor!!

    Lastly abc daytime newsletter comes out on Friday’s and I receive it.
    Not sure who else does here. If anyone wants I will find the link for them.
    This is abc. I find most things believable what I read.
    That said,there was a poll. Who is the best couple on GH?? Luke & Tracey, Sam & Jason, and I ‘think’ Lucky & Irish.
    The end results were 67% were in favor of JaSam.
    And I swear I am not even a Sam favorite!! :D

  68. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=starr]Just because I just registered to post doesn’t mean I haven’t been around. I just think you’re are baiters. You keep claiming you won’t be bullied but you are the one bullying. Now I will go back to lurking and watching your “mean girl” act spew all over this web site. You win. Hope it feels good.[/quote]

    You are one SICK person. You are lurking here and at About.com. You wrote something very similar to me what you just wrote to EET.
    The difference is, you tried to use someone else’s name from this forum whom I converse with at the other forum.
    That person confronted you yesterday at About.com for inpersonating her.

    You stated to me you were disable.
    Are you mentally disabled?

    Go back to lurking here and at about.com
    I received 3 emails last night at home from people at about.com wanting to know WHO you were, and what your problem is.
    You are not well perceived there.

    DUH-WINNING is how the ‘saying goes’
    But then again, you know that, don’t you??

  69. Avatar of Kazy24
    Kazy24

    EET- I wasn’t calling JAQ a Jasam fan. I was only commenting on the cockroaches comment, not her like or dislike for liz and sam or their respective couplings. Seeing as I was one of the “cockroaches” that crawls out I figured I was allowed to comment. The “squashing” comment was mine and mine alone. Because we know how I feel about that couple, but that doesn’t mean I think people should be ganged up on from EITHER fanbase. My comment was supposed to get that point across, but I must have written it in an off way as it doesn’t seem to have had the desired affect. Perhaps i should have included a haha or lol at the end of the comment?

    Also, I didn’t say anything Jake related in that comment and I love that people who don’t like the character of Liz were adament about Becky staying on and were also very upset by the useless killing of a child on the show. The bottom line EET, I may not like what you have to say sometimes (99% of the time if it regards Liz or Sam/Jasam) but I respect that you have your own opinion and wouldn’t attack you for it. As for JAQ- her comments make me LOL more often than not and the same thing goes for her- I may not like her comments concerning Liz, but those are her opinions and I respect that.

    I’m typing this in a hurry so hopefully I get my point across on this post-if not I’m sure I’ll be informed of it so I can explain myself better.

  70. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Kazy….Did someone say my name? I think I heard something…….

    If I offended you, I apologize. I mentioned to EET that the difference between her and I is she has better writing adequate than I do.

    That is all I ask. Respect each other. What is irritating (to me) is some of these crazy theories that are put out there!! EET takes them personal. And she shouldn’t. She to respected on here by many to let it get personal.

    I am going to read one line of someone’s post and decide if its worth reading any further.
    I am fairly new here, and not familiar with who is who yet. So bare with me. lol ;)

  71. Avatar of Kazy24
    Kazy24

    JAQ you didn’t offend me in the least! I laughed at the comment and then thought of the funky saying that “the only two things that would survive a nuclear war are cockroaches and chuck norris” and then I connected that to my own love for a pairing that is either loved intensely or hated immensely! So I made my comment. It wasn’t supposed to be me defending myself, it was supposed to be more of a joke but I guess I didn’t come off that way.

    As far as who is who- I have been around here since 2008 apparently, but I’ve only just started actively posting stuff. So I am in the same boat as you!

    I also think some of us can take what other’s say about our favorite characters personal for some reason or another. I know I have before. Sometimes we can’t help but defend them right? :D And other times, we just need to realize that some people have different opinions and no matter what we say, those opinions won’t change so it isn’t worth some huge fan war to try and tell them otherwise. It never seems to work out well for either side.

    I think reading a line of a comment and then deciding whether to continue or not is a great idea!

  72. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Kazy your the best. Thank you for your comments and weighing in and Jaq and sassy thanks for the defense. I am sorry to hear you are getting tailed to another board Jaq, thats not right.

    I think one of the issues is really that some people seem to see some threads as “theirs” when really there arents any liason threads or Jasam threads there are just gh threads.

  73. Avatar of
    JAQ

    Thanks Kazy for the post!

    You know people can be brutal. The first week I was on here, I was ‘attacked’ by certain people. I have since learned to ignore their posts as I find them ignorant.
    Why read there derogtory imagative thinking? Not when there are other people on here who are adults, and you can tell by the style in which they write.

    You know I never had a favorite couple until CarJax came along. Never liked Luke & Laura. I did kinda like Frisco & Felicia, but CarJax for me were really my favorites. And in honesty, Carly reminds me alot of me, so its kind of hard for me to hate her. I understand her, I don’t always understand why she makes the choices she makes. SAME AS ME!! |( Point being, most don’t like Carly on here. I don’t care.
    I do and that is all that matters!

    I LOVE Jason. However, what I love him is pure physical. LOVE that body.

    Again, thank you for your kind post. Meant alot to me.
    Looking forward to agreeing to disagree along the way!! lol

  74. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]Kazy your the best. Thank you for your comments and weighing in and Jaq and sassy thanks for the defense. I am sorry to hear you are getting tailed to another board Jaq, thats not right.[/quote]

    I have no choice but to defend people who are in the right. ;) I won’t go along with the majority because I am afraid of not being popular. NOT me.
    As far as what happened on that other forum, there mentalities are in question, and they pulled someone awesome here into there game.
    Well she didn’t take it and I say to her WINNING!!!

    Added Note: :star: :star: How sad is it when I use Charlie Sheen’s trademark saying soo much? No matter how crazy he is, I like to be WINNING!!DUH!!

  75. Avatar of starr
    starr

    JAQ, I am only coming out of lurking for one reason. I have no idea what you are talking about regarding about.com. I don’t lurk or post there and never have. You have me confused with someone else. Again, I am not the person you’re accusing me of being. If you go back and try to be open minded about my post all I was saying was I thought it was childish to come in and kick a fanbase when it’s down. To bait a fanbase into an argument that no one is going to win. We can agree to disagree about it. It’s hardly a personal attack. But actually more a disagreement over behavior. I don’t believe people should be able to run amok on a website trying to create drama and not expect to be called out on their bad behavior. I so regret ever registering especially now that you are accusing me of something so awful as whatever happened to you at about.com. I would greatly appreciate you stop trying to smear me and I’ll be sure to not use the screen name again.

  76. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=starr]JAQ, I am only coming out of lurking for one reason. I have no idea what you are talking about regarding about.com. I don’t lurk or post there and never have. You have me confused with someone else. Again, I am not the person you’re accusing me of being. I don’t believe people should be able to run amok on a website trying to create drama and not expect to be called out on their bad behavior. I so regret ever registering especially now that you are accusing me of something so awful as whatever happened to you at about.com. I would greatly appreciate you stop trying to smear me and I’ll be sure to not use the screen name again.[/quote]

    If you are a ‘lurker’ only, why you keep posting? And what the hell you talking about with About.com?? Guilty of something maybe?? Your guilt (over being a lonely lurker?) is showing us that you are paranoid about something, thus taking my posts personal.
    So do tell. What about me, EET do you find so interesting??? Share. :D
    I mean, DUH, I am INTERSTING. What specifically though are YOU finding interesting?

    Sassy, EET, who is this NUT JOB?? :D

  77. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=starr]EET, Your name describes you perfect. I’m just going to say it. You are being annoying and childish. Go find a Jasam thread to spread your love on. You are simply trying to bait Liz/Liason fans. It’s safe to say we don’t agree. You continuing to instigate fights is beyond immature. Liason fans don’t like Sam. Jasam fans don’t like Liz. This being a Liz thread, I’m not sure why you feel the need to be involved at all. Now I suppose you’re gonna cry about “I can be where ever I want! You do it to Sam!” Blah blah blah. You’re a sh*t starter. Go start it somewhere else. Aren’t they missing you at abc.com anyway?[/quote]

    What a nice treat to have this person as a new member. Her first post to EET or anyone for that matter.

  78. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=starr]Just because I just registered to post doesn’t mean I haven’t been around. I just think you’re are baiters. You come around Liz posts looking to make trouble. Congrats you’ve done it. I don’t lurk in Jasam threads let alone post in them. I stick to my fanbase sites and threads. If I want to bash Sam I do it with them. You keep claiming you won’t be bullied but you are the one bullying. You are here kicking a fanbase while it’s down. Congrats. Now I will go back to lurking and watching your “mean girl” act spew all over this web site. You win. Hope it feels good.[/quote]

    And this post is for Sassy from our new girl ‘Star’ :D

  79. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=starr]JAQ, I am only coming out of lurking for one reason. I have no idea what you are talking about regarding about.com. I don’t lurk or post there and never have. If you go back and try to be open minded about my post all I was saying was I thought it was childish to come in and kick a fanbase when it’s down. To bait a fanbase into an argument that no one is going to win. We can agree to disagree about it. It’s hardly a personal attack. But actually more a disagreement over behavior. I don’t believe people should be able to run amok on a website trying to create drama and not expect to be called out on their bad behavior. I so regret ever registering especially now that you are accusing me of something so awful as whatever happened to you at about.com. I would greatly appreciate you stop trying to smear me and I’ll be sure to not use the screen name again.[/quote]

    She is referring to her posts to EET here.
    Then she goes on to deny going to about.com and YET she admits to not using the screen name over there ever again. (Who she was inpersonating from here)

    WELCOME STARR!! :star: :star: :star: :star:

  80. Avatar of starr
    starr

    [quote=JAQ][quote=starr]JAQ, I am only coming out of lurking for one reason. I have no idea what you are talking about regarding about.com. I don’t lurk or post there and never have. You have me confused with someone else. Again, I am not the person you’re accusing me of being. I don’t believe people should be able to run amok on a website trying to create drama and not expect to be called out on their bad behavior. I so regret ever registering especially now that you are accusing me of something so awful as whatever happened to you at about.com. I would greatly appreciate you stop trying to smear me and I’ll be sure to not use the screen name again.[/quote]

    If you are a ‘lurker’ only, why you keep posting? And what the hell you talking about with About.com?? Guilty of something maybe?? Your guilt (over being a lonely lurker?) is showing us that you are paranoid about something, thus taking my posts personal.
    So do tell. What about me, EET do you find so interesting??? Share. :D
    I mean, DUH, I am INTERSTING. What specifically though are YOU finding interesting?

    Sassy, EET, who is this NUT JOB?? :D[/quote]

    WOW JAQ. Clearly I must be bothering you. So I will go ahead and continue to post since you continue to bait. You have posted 7 or 8 comments in a row about me. So who’s paranoid? You posted that I’m a nutjob and sick. Who’s getting personal now? I maintain that I’m not the person over at about.com. Nor do I have any other screen name here at DC. I am guilty of NOTHING. And certainly not about being a lonely lurker. What does that even mean? I will not change my stance that a poster can’t just bait and bait and bait and then hide behind the “hey, no personal attacks!” You ARE NOT interesting. You are a bully. So what’s next JAQ? More links to depression websites? More insults of my mental health? More accusations that you can’t prove? Bully bully bully.

  81. Avatar of
    JAQ

    I am the 3rd person you accused of being a bully. The 3rd person you used the word ‘bait’ with.
    And you say I am doing the personal attacking??

    Glad you will Post. This should be fun. Bring it on. J)

  82. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Perkie – I cant speak to whether or not Starr is the person who went from here to about.com and falsely used the name of a long time dc poster to attack Jaq at another site. I would hope she isnt, because if she is then thats wrong, not only in terms of the attack on jaq but also because she is pretending to be someone else.

    As for Starr, I thought we had a rule about attacking other posters. I realize – and this is something that I have been guilty of and have been on the receiving end of – but I realize that over time people can get frustrated with one another or have a bad day. As the saying goes, s**t happens, but when someone registers JUST to call a poster annoying and childish, the yeah I think we have a right to call them on going over the line. If you recall, a few months back a JaSam fan did the same thing to another long term poster who loves Liz and I was one of the first people to tell that person to cut the crap. If you START by breaking the rules day one, what kind of a poster does that suggest you will be long term. So if you are going to welcome this poster, I would appreciate if you would also remind her that attacking other people personally is the only cardinal rule on dc AND that no thread belongs to the fan of that particular actor, actress or any of the pairings they belong to – that we dont have threads just for fans of character x or character y but just GH threads. And for the record, no I dont want to see newbies “run off” but I also didnt want to see most of the sam fans run off and yet thats exactly what happened this year.

    Starr, I would also encourage you to scroll over to daytime stars by name and pull up kelly monaco. Check out some of the threads and what some of the Liz fans posted there and once you have I invite you to demonstrate that your position on posting in threads that you feel BELONG to one fan base or another is not hypocritical by admonishing those fellow Liz fans from posting their thoughts in that thread.

  83. Avatar of
    JAQ

    EET..someone from this site went to Maria’s site, (About.com) and started talking to me as if she was gh4now.
    She also was using gh4now2 as a screen name. Apparently she has been bashing me for awhile, however, since I seldom go there I didn’t know. Maria was deleting the posts from gh4now2 to me before I saw them.
    gh4now2 is not allowed on that forum anylonger. They should be banned.
    We still have a lurker here who is watching, me, you, sassy & gh4.
    Creepy hey??

    I emailed Luke & Jamey as well as Perkie has no business bashing me on this board without knowing the facts. Very unprofessional and I thought better of her, so it caught me off guard.

    As far as Liason/Jasam fans. Geez. What are we in highschool?? What happens if you are a fan of neither?
    Though I love Jason, I only want him for myself in reality.

    Starr was brutal to you as well as Sassy. The fact she took gh4now name and pretended to be her on another is just plain wrong.

  84. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]Perkie – Starr, I would also encourage you to scroll over to daytime stars by name and pull up kelly monaco. Check out some of the threads and what some of the Liz fans posted there and once you have I invite you to demonstrate that your position on posting in threads that you feel BELONG to one fan base or another is not hypocritical by admonishing those fellow Liz fans from posting their thoughts in that thread.[/quote]

    What if you aren’t a fan of either? We orphans?? :beer:

  85. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Well if you are not a fan of either, you could zap over to the TC thread, since apparently that thread doesnt “belong” to his fans and its aokay to be critical of him without being called childish, silly or baiting. ;)

  86. Avatar of JasamForever
    JasamForever

    Thing around here definately get interesting. I did notice EET as well that no comments were criticized, or bashed on the TC thread. I guess it is all about who the thread is about.

  87. Avatar of
    JAQ

    I love watching good acting. To me, nobody could carry this role as brilliant as MB does. I have to respect that. When people start to bash him, its so obvious they don’t like the character (which is understandable) but how could anyone deny his acting skills?
    Steve Burton has a complicated role. Emotionally. Though he don’t say much, I think he is a good actor as well.
    NLG, CH, LW, JE are simply the best actress’s. How can a scene be bad with them in it??? ;)

  88. Avatar of tessab13
    tessab13

    [quote=coolblue]This is a terrible rip-off of the heartbreaking BJ/Maxie storyline. From some of the rumors/spoilers it will turn into a “who hit Jake” story shortly after the death. I already know he was hit by the dictator that originally planned for this to be Elizabeth’s exit story. GH sucks.[/quote]

    THANK you for someone remembering that this storyline has already been done!! (And much better.) But the BJ/Maxie was probably also a re-do from some storyline in the late 70s (I didn’t start watching til mid 80s once I went to college). Shows like GH have been on the air so long, it’s inevitable that they’ll recycle something. But the minute it looked like they might kill Jake, I knew what they were doing (just didn’t know who the recipient at the time would be – til Carly got the call from Jax).

    At least there’s something somewhat interesting happening. The writing has been atrocious since I started re-watching (stopped in 94/95 sometime & just returned in 2007 or so). And what is with the constant Sonny storylines. I really feel that MB is over-rated as an actor. And I believe that another poster made the comment about only watching because the dialogue on GH was more natural and not forced. Not sure what they’ve been watching, but I don’t think we’ve been watching the same show. The only storylines (or at least character interactions) that don’t seem forced are the ones between Dante (DominicZ) and any other actor and Carly (LauraW) and most other actors. I’m not saying the others are bad actors. Maybe they just don’t always bring their A-game to the set. But DZ and LW seem to hit their scenes out of the park ALL the time (not just when a child dies). they can actually hold my attention – even when their dialogue is plain old exposition (and not the most interesting) that is either a place holder for time or to move the story along.

    Granted, I do give a lot of credit to the writers who do this everyday. It has to be hell to try and come up with dialogue for actors for almost 365 days/year. They do earn their money. but Bob Guza does need to stop thinking he knows best. Two actors will instinctively have natural chemistry or not and Guza shouldn’t be forcing things just because he can.

    But we as watchers also need to realize that storylines DO need to progress in some manner otherwise WE (yes, us the networks don’t air these shows just to humor the writers) stop watching. So my feeling is that better writing needs to happen to keep us interested, but “life” is gonna move-on. It has to. But I’m definitely on-board with a “recast” of some of the executive producers/showrunners of the show. They just don’t seem to be working. ;)

  89. Avatar of Lzssyi
    Lzssyi

    Why do you people keep saying that Becky has reached supercouple status? No she has not, she only came close with Lucky. Liz and Jason was hardly a couple. The only supercouple that’s been in this period ,truth is Jason and Sam! I do not think a few fans could bring Becky back, there was a lot more to it. We do not believe for one minute that the fans brought her back. That’s the reason she is NOT really liked, you people constantly pimp this woman who haven’t done any real acting since she was with JJ.There have been lots of storylines for Becky and she always suck the life out of her partner or the storyline. Becky fans are FEW, the look many because the few talk a lot and believe in the cheating oif the polls to make believe Liz has fans. He biggest mouth piece is Ryan Noble(SID

  90. Avatar of Lzssyi
    Lzssyi

    The be honest the Liz fans are really nasty. When the Sam fans give it back you folks can’t take it. It also seems that if yu are posting on anything that’s ABC there is always that person(ain’t calling any names, but he is one who push a lot of the myth about BH). There is nothing wrong with the new people on GH, they do as well as some of the seasoned ones. To be truthful, Liz brings nothing to the table. She runs he mouth to much,she missed the class on birth control and she is someone that women really don’t car for. She is sneaking, unattractive and hateful and a ,a lot of TPT. Wake up this is 2013, women fly jets these days!If I can recall they had Liz front burner with the Jiz story and they crashed big time. With that its always a excuse, the couple didn’t this or not, the couple was totally mismatched. Jiz tanked and LuSam was hot!

  91. Avatar of Lzssyi
    Lzssyi

    I see nothing in the character. If she is talented it hasn’t been shown yet!Jiz was never a power anything, that was pimped by Ryan Noble. If these people would stop trying to make Liz the center of GH than she might really have a fan base instead of a few with tens of email addresses.The credit for L&L that belongs to JJ(Liz fans just run with it). The storylines with Jason(because they didn’t know which way Sam was going)was builded as her first grown up role, and that failed badly.Everytime she gets a man there is no chemistry and they are always giving her dumb stuff,who the WTBD is and fighting over a man. No one seriously believe that a man would want her over Carly,Robin or Sam.GH actually put her in a corner knowing that she is not a great actress.GH owes no one anything and they easy get rid of the men when she can’t connect. Its was just a few whining that she was let go. I think that was the best decision someone made because she is doing nothing and collecting a paycheck.

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