Ed Martin EVISCERATES GH Storyline on Huffington Post





Remember when Carly Corinthos  took that bat to meet with the five families? Famed TV critic Ed Martin only needed a laptop to do way more lethal damage to General Hospital's storytelling. In a scathing review of the Jake's death/Josslyn's transplant story arc for The Huffington Post, Martin basically stated storylines like this are the reason daytime is dying. Ouch!

The current Death of Jake Webber disappointment is another matter entirely, and it comes at a time when soaps overall are in dire peril — and in desperate need of stories that respect their shows' histories while reinventing them for the future. In that regard, this latest GH tale has done everything wrong: It has made viewers feel bad about the time they have invested in the Jake storyline during the last few years and killed off a character that was uniquely positioned to be at the center of dozens of compelling stories in the years to come. That's no way to improve a show or support a dying daypart.


Can someone install a "like" button on HuffPo? Or if there already is one, can you tell me how to get to it? I'm a bit tech challenged, you see, but I really need to give Martin his kudos. Despite the amazing acting of Tony Geary, Jonathan Jackson and the rest of the cast, this ugly, spiritually devoid, rushed, implausible storyline serves absolutely no purpose for this soap opera or its fans. Oh, and riddle me this: Is gunshot/rape victim Michael (Chad Duell) screwing a road-hard street walker supposed to serve as this soap's dose of humanity? Give me a break.

Instead of writing with the late Irna Phillips' Brotherhood of Man concept in mind, Bob Guza is writing about the Brotherhood of the Damned, and I for one can barely get through an episode these days. To think, a few months ago—heck for most of my time at Daytime Confidential— Guza was my dawg, in terms of a soap writer who at least consistently wrote decent, believable daytime television.

I might not have always liked Guza's story directions or pairings, but I could always count on GH, with him at the wheel, not to be steeped in tired soap stereotypes, bad dialogue and/or acting. However, on the heels of wasting my Vanessa Marcil for months in this terrible Balkan debacle and killing off a baby so precious to the characters and fans of this show—when viewers need escapism now more than ever—I'm ready to admit the obvious. Guza is out of touch as to what this soap needs to be doing to stick around.

 For more of Martin's spot on critique, click here.

64 Responses

  1. Avatar of GAgal28
    GAgal28

    I have to say that when I read this I was shocked in a very good way. I am SO glad that someone, from the outside media, had the guts to call this stinking story out. Everything this guy said is true. Aside from the acting, which is the 1 saving grace, this story wreaks!

  2. Avatar of sassysdreams
    sassysdreams

    As I said on a previous post…..

    Personally I was not impressed with the Huffington Post article whatsoever! There were too many “facts” that were not facts at all and completely untrue. And it is clear that the “article” was written by an extremely biased individual who obviously favors certain characters heavily over others and is nothing more than one person’s personal opinion. Yes we can all agree that the writing on GH sucks. But once I read so many incorrect “facts” such as Rebecca Herbst was put on recurring when we all know she was fired and then rehired and I saw the majorly biased writing, there was nothing left in the article for me to appreciate even if I did agree with parts of it. It’s just another tawdry opinion piece trying to capitalize on the current controversial storyline by someone who may or may not actually be a General Hospital viewer and who couldn’t be bothered with doing a little fact checking before publishing a piece of drivel, in my opinion of course!!

  3. Avatar of from NC
    from NC

    I read the entire article this morning and it was so on point. When you see it written out so clearly it just leaves me scratching my head as to why ABC has allowed this to go on for so long. Could they possibly be living so far removed from the cries of fans and critics alike, or Could it be as many have speculated, that they,ABC, just don’t care and are plannig to ditch the show soon?

    For all my “come late to the party and rant” about the writing, bad cast choices, and over-all lack luster storylines, I have to say that I was secretly rooting for things to change…

    Give me something or someone to believe in…to root for.

  4. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    [quote=jlafferty23]Pfftt.

    Making Luke the driver was one of the best things Guza has done.

    That article is from someone with a complete bias towards certain characters.[/quote]

    APPLERIDGE Response

    Although The Luke Element was Brilliance The Whole story was rushed and unnecessary

  5. Avatar of Lana
    Lana

    Could not agree with this article more. Loved it.

    @ from NC, I was wondering whether or not you had a chance to read this article as I felt that it was kinda the point you were trying to make in some of your last posts you made regarding the writing of this story and it’s disrespect to the shows history. Instead you got reamed over the coals by some overzealous “fans” who couldn’t get past that all you were really trying to say is that the writing sucked. :)

  6. Avatar of Smitty
    Smitty

    The piece was AMAZING and as I have only been watching GH for a little over a year I am ready to turn the show off. This killing was stupid and this who storyline is just laughable at best. One of the worst I have seen in daytime EVER!

    Acting is great but the writing is terrible. Absolutely terrible. Reading about so many characters that were left out from this. Bobbie, Lesly, Laura, Monica, Edward and Audrey to name a few. It’s shameful. Say what you want about Y&R but they make sure to include ALL the important characters. Whether they are recurring or not.

  7. Avatar of SoapFan75
    SoapFan75

    I saw this post elsewhere. Stupid is the only way to describe this storyline. I cannot comment on the performances because I have not and will not bother to watch. Thank goodness someone outside the soap industry is commenting on the stupidity of this storyline. Just dumb and unnecessary is the only way to describe this decision by Guza, Phelps and Frons. My favorite part of the post was the description of the mob storyline as a “low rent version of The Sopranos.” I myself have always referred to it as the dinner theater version of The Sopranos.

  8. Avatar of samanthadelayed
    samanthadelayed

    Great article. He hit the nail on so many heads I can’t even believe it!

    This part made me cheer a little

    “Second, if Josslyn died and Jake needed a transplant, it would have been a fine opportunity for the writers to finally humanize Carly, a frequently detestable character with the emotional stability of an ill-tempered eight-year-old. ”

    THANK YOU!

    I think he had many valid points, and he certainly knows his stuff, but I don’t think this will ruin the character of Luke in the long run. I think there will be soul searching and forgiveness somewhere down the road.

  9. Avatar of Daniel St. John
    Daniel St. John

    This story is doomed to be a colossal failure because the only conclusions that make all of this worthwhile are for Luke to go to prison for a time period much longer than the annual summer break he takes or for Jason to kill him. Anything else is just a copout. THere is also the whole situation of Luke not being able to come back from this. It’s not like he was driving along cold stone sober and Jake ran out in the street so unexpectedly that he couldn’t keep from hitting the kid. Luke ran his own “grandson” down while driving drunk. That is reprehensible and basically sets Luke up to be a one note character…namely a depressed pariah. The devil may care, smart ass man of action bit doesn’t fly when you are a baby killer.
    Of course with the braintrust who writes for this show I would expect this storyline to fizzle by summer and not to even be mentioned all that much by year’s end.

  10. Avatar of from NC
    from NC

    [quote=Lana]Could not agree with this article more. Loved it.

    @ from NC, I was wondering whether or not you had a chance to read this article as I felt that it was kinda the point you were trying to make in some of your last posts you made regarding the writing of this story and it’s disrespect to the shows history. Instead you got reamed over the coals by some overzealous “fans” who couldn’t get past that all you were really trying to say is that the writing sucked. :)[/quote]

    Hey lana, yeah I read it this morning as it hit over in the ABC boards earlier.

    As for the less than postive reception by “some” concerning my posts..no worries. I knew, and I’m glad you did too, that my motives were purely centered on the writing and maybe a bit on trying to foster some open discource…instead of blanket hate for all things non…..(you know what I mean.) What still escapes me is how anyone who says they want this show to succeed and knows how poor the ratings are, and have been for almost 3 years…can argue against any change simply because of one entity that they like? Anyway, here’s hoping the Hoff. post article does some good!

  11. Avatar of diallo41
    diallo41

    I like the article. We are all inherently biased one way or the other so I was able to look around his biases because he was spot on in many respects.

    for me the stand out annoying bits was the speed of the story, and the lack of important older actors to support the players in this story e.g. Bobby, Audrey, Laura etc even if they were just mentioned in passing. Bobby is so important here, she is Luke’s sister and Carly’s mom she is integral to all angles. if Luke is the killer gosh darn it where the heck is laura. Even Sonny not being around to support Jason his best friend seems odd to me. Heck tell Edward after the fact so he and Monica can come in and at least yell at and commisserate with Jason maybe even have them give Liz a piece of their mind. To me if you are going to take this route don’t half a$$ it. play all the beats.

    Also, I think Josselyn dying would have been interesting but so so I think if Aiden died and then it came out that luke killed his grandson that would have been AWESOMENESS. Although I haven’t quite worked out how Aiden would have been hit by a car…but that is besides the point. lol.

    The acting has been spot on as well so shut outs all around to the Actors involved.

  12. Avatar of alstonboy4315
    alstonboy4315

    I have given GH some MIGHTY high praise over the past few years, but this story is just HORRIFIC!!! The acting, which has been stellar, is among the only redeeming values of it. Having Luke turn out to be the driver was a good twist, but killing off young kids on soaps is just NOT a good idea, in my opinion. I have had my fingers crossed for a while that there’s another BIG TWIST coming around the corner that will reveal that Little Jake is NOT dead, but that seems unlikely. GH definitely lost a LOT of cool points with me after this story. I will still keep watching, of course, but this was a big blow for me.

    And I agree with the consensus, this article was VERY well-written, crossed every I and dotted every T.

  13. Avatar of megana
    megana

    I agree also that this article really hits it home. I find the storyline tawdry, and one in a long line of recent tawdry storylines. the killing of Jake, no one wanted to see that but then none of us wanted to see the senseless killing of Alan, AJ, Georgie and the list goes on. This Balkan storyline is stupid and endless, but I could put up with that if Guza hadn’t needed another “shocking” sweeps special. I am sure the only thing that would have made it even more special for him would have been watching Liz carted off to shadybrook with every other popular female character in GH’s past.

    And Jamey is absolutely right when he says that there is something really off with Guza’s judgment, that he thinks Michael and Abby having sex will make us feel warm and cozy while Jake lies dead. Guza has completely turned me off this couple, it just seems so debased. Definitely not escapism let alone entertainment. 7

  14. Avatar of sassysdreams
    sassysdreams

    [quote=alstonboy4315]And I agree with the consensus, this article was VERY well-written, crossed every I and dotted every T.[/quote]

    Alstonboy you know I love you but if every I was dotted and every T was crossed perhaps the writer should inform Becky Herbst that she was never fired and rehired, she was only put on recurring for a while before she was back to being on contract again. I’m betting she believes she was fired before being rehired and it seems like EVERYONE and their dog knows that as well. But this writer didn’t! :(

  15. Avatar of TomZulawski
    TomZulawski

    Whether Ed Martin got it right that RH was fired or sent to recurring is a mute point. The point of the article was dead on accurate and put it out there from the main stream media to ABC just exactly what is wrong with their daytime lineup. The problem isnt the fans, its the morans they have running these shows. Bob Guza made is a point to completely reinvent General Hospital by destroying the entire back story of this show. He did that by isolating or killing off the majority of characters that did not fit into his Low Rent Sopranos rip off. Guza forced his selfish agenda onto the fans of GH and destroyed the heart and soul of the audience. Guza has got to go as does Frons and JPF. The idiots in charge at ABC need to get their heads screwed on straight and fix what they have ruined.

  16. Avatar of OldGHFan
    OldGHFan

    I love the article so much I want to marry it. It’s nice to see the mainstream media see what a lot of us have been seeing for years on GH. Outside of some good acting, this storyline has been horrific. Where were Bobbie, Audrey, Lesley or Laura? Don’t you think Liz and Jax deserved a few more scenes? And is Bob Guza actually advocateing that it’s okay to have a few shots of liqour and get behind the wheel?!? There’s just no heart or soul left on GH and none of the characters are root-worthy. This show needs a massive behind the scenes overhaul to survive. If ABC isn’t going to do it, they may as well pull the plug now.

  17. Avatar of alstonboy4315
    alstonboy4315

    OMG!! Did I REALLY say “crossed every I and dotted every T??? I feel like SUCH a moron!! I meant to say the opposite, of course: DOTTED every I and crossed EVERY T. Lord, have mercy. Maybe I need to go lie down.

    :tired: :tired: :tired: :tired:

  18. Avatar of GHvetfan
    GHvetfan

    That was a great article and it touched on so many points that fans have been complaining about. I am all for showcasing what GH is doing wrong. I would like to think that TPTB dread this kind of attention in main stream media but I think they love it. Any press is good press. Yes, the author was mistaken in saying that Becky was placed on recurring and not that she was fired. I suspect that isn’t the part of the article that is truly upsetting to the complainers. Could it possibly be what the author said about Becky’s popularity? I know some like to marginalize her popularity and contribution to the show. I am just spit balling here.

    I liked that he said he was against BJ’s death but was proven wrong. I agreed with just about every point in the article. Is it really possible for every reader to agree with the entire article? The huge thing for me is that GH has a spotlight on their horrible writing. They have been riding on the coattails of their history while they have been shytting on it. They need to be stopped.

  19. Avatar of AHeart4Fiction
    AHeart4Fiction

    This article is the exact reason I do not feel the urge to watch GH when the clock says 2:00 PM. I mean anything is better than the dark cloud hovering over every single story as one commenter said. I mean when I first saw Jason grieve I was teary eyed…a week later where seeing Jason grieve. Okay, what about Elizabeth? She knew her baby in and out. I remember the scene with Sam and Elizabeth when Sam asked Liz how she knew Jake was upset or what was on his mind b/c he was so quiet like Jason. She said she knew b/c Jake had a telling face. I mean Jason just figured out Jake’s favorite color, Liz has already known this. She knew her baby loved trucks and motorcycles and preferred that all of them be yellow. She knows how much Jake looks up to Cam how he wants to do whatever Cam does. I mean come on. Even if Guza and Co. were going to write off Liz at least give her some grieving scenes. Show her in Jake’s room like they did w/ SJB’s Carly when her and Sonny lost their baby or like they did with Sam and Jason saw her looking out of the window.

    Alright I’m done, it’s not like the writing is going to get better anyway. But the point I was trying to make was for Guza to share the wealth. Jason can grieve and have scenes but let Liz in let her have just as many scenes as Jason or even Lucky.

  20. Avatar of Fire Frons
    Fire Frons

    Yes, it is time that Guza and Frons see the light. They write based on their personal agenda and not audience based. They get rid of characters that the audience wants and pick up ones we can care less about. Then they find their ratings sinking and they have less money to keep the good actors because of their bad decisions. They need to re-write this Jake story with a much better ending . . .. Let Liz be in scenes with Jason and let them grieve together. However they feel about Jason/Liz relationship it is just crazy that with their history that they would not be together helping each other now. Crazy! See the ratings soar and then salvage the mess by cluing the audience in that Jake is really alive and that Franco has him and that this was a sick joke that somehow ended up helping Carly’s baby . . .

    If they want to really get people back they would also . . .

    Let Liz and Jason realize that there is no way to control the “what ifs” and that they lost their son regardless of giving up on each other . . . Perhaps, instead of the storyline leading to a Sam/Jason baby, perhaps (if the writers can see the light) it could lead to the possibility of Jason and Liz back together when they realize that the reason they gave up on their love wasn’t successful and that you have such a short time here that you are better off spending it with the one that you love. Of course, it would have to be a slow build up b/c of where Jason is with Sam so you also have all the emotion of Jason not wanting to hurt Sam all over again . . . Get the triangle back and let both the Jason/Sam and Jason/Liz fanbase back to watching. . . Drag it out and string it along . . . .

  21. Avatar of aramis270
    aramis270

    As I said on Perkie, I totally agree that killing Jake was a HUGE mistake, I have said it again and again.

    What I totally disagree with and that’s why I cannot applaud/marry/sleep with this article and where the journalist lost me is when he suggested that killing Joss instead would have been better.

    WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IS NOT KILLING ANY KID.

    And I don’t get why Ed Martin is starting by saying that killing kids would never help a soap and that it is beyond disgusting (which I TOTALLY agree with) and then say 3 paragraphs later “But if you have to do it, kill Joss instead”. You must be kidding me. Or how to say the contrary of what he was saying just before?

    I am a Liason fan and I HATE that they had to make disappear the last living trace of the Liason love story. But I have hated also reading from some fellow fans (not so much on this board fortunately but on a lot of others), “why don’t they kill Joss, Spencer, Cam or Morgan instead?”
    Using a child death to create a peak in ratings is just wrong to me.
    And it is true for any child.
    And this Liason fan doesn’t think that killing Joss or Spencer would have been better.

    What would have been better would have been Jake being saved in the last minute (and this story NOT being rushed in such a way) and all the adults in his life asking themselves the right questions.
    What would have been better is Joss not getting cancer in 3 minutes and being on her mom’s lap less than 24 hours after her kidney transplant.

    I also disagree about making Luke the culprit being a mistake. I would have felt that Guza was spitting on my face had it been Lisa or Theo the driver. Because you don’t need a child to die to write an exit storyline for this whackos. Have Lisa being caught trying to kill Robin or Emma again and send her to jail. Have Jason find Theo and get rid of him. You need no Jake.
    But for the performance that JJ/TG are giving right now, you need huge drama that Jake dying is providing. So it helps me trying to swallow the pill that at least they didn’t sacrifice Jake to get rid of some pathetic villains.
    But I have a feeling that Luke will be cleared in the end. Even if I am convinced his character would not be so much damaged by this as people are blaming Guza and not Luke and are at owe at TG’s performance (the man redeemed his character from raping Laura! Of course he can get out of this after his rehab time / vacations in Amsterdam).

    Edenpark wrote some great posts last week end listing SO MANY HOLES in the writing lately and asking so many questions. I fully agree with all that she wrote and the conclusion of it which is that Guza and his writers have never reached such high level of inconsistencies before.

    So if, as any fan, I am happy of GH getting trashed for violent and unattractive storylines as well as of TPTB being reminded that Audrey, Bobby, Monica (he forgot Ethan who is a Spencer and nowhere to be found), I cannot praise to the sky an article where the writer has no problem throwing another kid under the bus to “create good storylines” because in the end that is the same way of thinking that TPTB has adopted.
    Except that TPTB and Ed disagrees on the storyline and the kid to kill while I disagree with both and consider that NO KID should be sacrificed (same for OLTL, DON’T KILL SHANE!!!).

    JMHO of course ;) And no surprise I think “a mother’s opinion”

  22. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    There are two separate issues here and I think we are getting them tangled together – theres the storyline (the subject matter) and then theres the writing (how that storyline is carried out). I dont know if I can totally evaluate the storylines because ultimately the writing has been so poor but if we accept the premise that the writing is poor, and I think we all do accept that premise, then why would anyone feel that killing off Joss would have been written any better than the storyline we are seeing now? The writers opinion is that had they killed off Joss, that Carly and jax would get a powerful good bye scene and then carly will have to give the organs to “one of the many women she doesnt get along with” (which by the way can be said about virtually every woman on the show, so if your complaint is good writing, that might have been a starting point). He further assumes that carly will be humanized by this storyline. What are those assumptions based on? We certainly didnt see a powerful bedside goodbye scene with LL2. The writer certainly doesnt think Carly was humanized by the suffering she experienced when michael was kidnapped or when he went to jail or when her best friend died or when michael slipped in to a year long coma, so why would he assume that THIS particular round of suffering would humanize the character FOR HIM give that track record/history? And since the story was ORIGINALLY written as part of Rebeccas exit story, what would have prompted Elizabeths decent in to madness and again if they were faced with removing all those scenes based on the decision to keep the actress, wouldnt the story still be rushed and choppy? Moreover, he assumes that the blame for GF, JZ, LC, and RA not being part of this story falls on tptb. We know Genie has said that she doesnt want to come back without a pov/agenda. Rachel retired. Jackie – I suspect other issues were involved. LC – Monica doesnt know about jake so prehaps this was a decision to give more emphasis, time and focus on liz, lucky, jason, carly, etc. and before anyone says its all been jason, again, many of lizs scenes were cut which means the characters that probably shared the most scenes with her like lucky and steve and maybe even lulu saw cuts in their time too and if it was decided to make jason grieve alone then his scenes were probably relatively uneffected by the change.

    I would mirror that complaint with the brenda/balkan storyline. If I were writing it I would have made the balkan Kate and played on that history and I think that would have been better STORYLINE but thats just my opinion – just like martin offers his alternative to the jake storyline – but the bigger, more important question is whether the Balkan could have been a better storyline if the WRITING had been better. It was the writing that kept brenda isolated in rome with 2 characters we could care less about for more than a month – really what WAS the point of the Murphy Sinclair character. It was the writing that made Brenda in need of a man to keep her from foolishly falling for her old mobster boyfriend and it was the writing that had brenda then totally do an about face with no transition. the storyline of an uber villian chasing our beloved heroine wasnt the issue so much as the choices made in its execution.

    I would have a much more positive reaction had Martin focused on the real issues with the writing – it isnt killing jake and killing jake isnt emblematic of the issues per se (and it isnt even the worst example in the last 2-3 years). The problems with the writing include an inability to write strong female characters whos povs are clearly communicated within scenes, an inclusion of more throw away lines to continue throw better family connection and improve continuity, other continuity issues, use of the cast/balance, a lack of romance, an inability to play all the logical beats within any given storyline and a drawing on history, the lack of growth the writers afford the characters, and and a continual level of violence against women and, even worse, children, within storylines that leads to a lack of escapism, a darkness to the tone of the show, and a sort of numbing effect which leaves viewers inured to these types of storylines.

    The authors piece wouldnt feel so agenda driven if he didnt focus his entire argument on a character he refers to as one we hardly knew, yet at the same time is supposedly the cornerstone for the future of the show. And really I have yet to see someone explain to me what storyline could SOLELY be carried out by jake? Thats why I dont get the kill this kid not that approach, because really the authors premise about bj – that she could have driven story for years as a rebellious teen is basically maxies story. If its about jason having an heir, he could have another heir in the future which means all the Q stories would be back in play, just using that character. If its about a webber child – isnt cam a webber? and isnt aiden a legacy child too – a hardy, webber, spencer baby? And doesnt the suggest of killing off a different child imply that we as an audience care for certain children but not for others?

  23. Avatar of marknsprmo
    marknsprmo

    I am sorry but exactly how HARD is it to act upset about a cute little boy being run over? I mean I think each of us could stand up on camera and provide an oscar winning performance about that subject. So as far as the great acting, it is a t-ball pitch to a group of very talented actors. So even the fact that people are doing some very good acting isn’t even a good reason to kill off this little boy. Good actors act well when it’s not that easy to act the material. Ofcourse they are putting in stellar jobs.
    Guza needs to find a new weapon in his arsenal besides death. His stars are death dealers. Now even people who don’t murder for a living are killing people. This story is too hard for mothers and fathers to watch. Or really anyone with a soft spot for kids. Please find other types of stories. It is lazy to kill off a child and call it entertainment. Yes it is emotional. But the emotion is too harsh.

  24. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=TomZulawski]Whether Ed Martin got it right that RH was fired or sent to recurring is a mute point. The point of the article was dead on accurate and put it out there from the main stream media to ABC just exactly what is wrong with their daytime lineup. The problem isnt the fans, its the morans they have running these shows. Bob Guza made is a point to completely reinvent General Hospital by destroying the entire back story of this show. He did that by isolating or killing off the majority of characters that did not fit into his Low Rent Sopranos rip off. Guza forced his selfish agenda onto the fans of GH and destroyed the heart and soul of the audience. Guza has got to go as does Frons and JPF. The idiots in charge at ABC need to get their heads screwed on straight and fix what they have ruined.[/quote]

    BRAVO!!!!!!! :beer: :beer: This article was meant to show people that the history and the writing of GH is being destroyed. Like Tom states, whether RH was fired or not is mute. Totally.
    I took away from this article that hopefully it will land on someone’s desk today, and they will pay attention to what they are doing!
    Also I took away from the article that the writing team, Guza-Fronz, view us viewers as people with low IQ’s What did they think they could pass half this crap in the pass few years on us and it would be OK?

  25. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    [quote] So what’s the problem? …. It’s the writing, plain and simple. [/quote]

    Bloop! Or ‘klonk’, or whatever the hell NeNe says. I don’t agree with swapping one kid for another–Joss for Jake–because I don’t think that the storyline should have happened at all, period. And I’m tired of seeing children in peril day in and day out. Since when did soaps become the anti anti-depressant??? And yes, Becky wasn’t put on recurring, she was indeed fired. My agreement is with the bad writing. I’ll always agree with someone who thinks GH writing needs a MAJOR overhaul because I’ve bitched about it too often. I’m still bitching about it, lol!

    And it’s not just been with this storyline for me, this has been for a LONG time now. I bitched about Brenda’s return, I bitch about the mob, I bitch about the way certain characters are treated like 8th class citizens, I bitch about everything to do with TPTB because I don’t even think they’re trying anymore. And with this storyline for me, it’s taken the cake. Great acting aside, I’ve said for months on the boards that I’ve thought it’s more about TPTB than us. Always has been. Its about ratings and getting it on the page. And that’s sad. I think people on the ‘outside’ are just starting to notice now, but many things came to a head on the boards a LONG time ago, and the sound got LOUDER the moment Guza’s muse returned and the writing was criticized on an hourly bases. I think people see Jake’s death as more gratuitous because of how it happened and don’t see a purpose behind it because he had potential as a Hardy/Webber/Quartermaine. There could have been great story explored there, but, well, No Vets, No Shoes, No Service… and we know the rest…

  26. Avatar of
    JAQ

    EET-I can’t agree with you. This article was mistaken as cruelty to another child. I will not believe anyone wish’s harm on a child.
    The purpose of this article was to point out the horrible writing on this show. The ‘decline’ of ratings, great actors lost, etc…
    To suggest another child dies, I won’t believe was an intent to have it happen, but more of an ‘example’ of other storylines. Nothing more.

    We can sit here with our ‘ideas’ of what will and won’t work. Unfortunately we aren’ the one’s actually doing the writing. IMO this person was a VOICE to those of us who feel the neglect, decline of the once great GH! Hopefully that VOICE was heard today.
    For that reason, I APPLAUD the journalist who wrote this.

    The main focus was that the writers who are writing, need to get out of the business and go sell cars!! lol :D ;)

  27. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=liason4real]What an excellent article. The writing on GH is horrible. Guza, Phelps and Frons should have been sent packing a long time ago.[/quote]

    What are the chances they read this article today?

  28. Avatar of Karissa
    Karissa

    Look I never cared for Jake. I am sorry the kid is gone but really when I looked at Jake it reminded of something I heard in on a Steve King movie. Born in sin come on in born in lust turn to dust. Jake was born in lust so now he is dust. Sorry

  29. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=liason4real]JAQ…. I hope Sweeney or Igrer reads the article and then has a little chat with Frons which leads to another chat with JFP and Guza.[/quote]

    Ha! From your mouth to tptb ear’s. Not sure Sweeney is all that bent on getting rid of these 2 clowns. Not sure its her ears this article needs to find its way to. But let’s hope it did find a way to the appropriate people.

    Why is a good question. Why 2 articles written by national newspapers on a soap opera?? Why?

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    seanny

    [quote=diallo41]To me if you are going to take this route don’t half a$$ it. play all the beats.[/quote]

    This exactly what I said about the prison rape storyline.

  31. Avatar of JasamForever
    JasamForever

    I personally did not care for the article, especially on some points. I did not like the mention of substituting killing Josslyn instead of Jake. The writer also took the time to include the reasons why this would have been a better storyline. I cannot agree with this at all. It is apparent that he has biased towards certain characters and does not seem to like the character of Carly at all. But I do agree the writing of GH needs to change on many levels.
    Also, didn’t the writer mention there were six possible drivers that killed Jake, when we know it was seven. Maybe I read that wrong and need to read the article again.

  32. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    Look I never cared for Jake. I am sorry the kid is gone but really when I looked at Jake it reminded of something I heard in on a Steve King movie. Born in sin come on in born in lust turn to dust. Jake was born in lust so now he is dust. Sorry
    =============
    If that’s the case then most of the kids on soaps would have died. (Ethan, Jason, Cameron, Spencer, Michael, etc)..

  33. Avatar of nickskelton
    nickskelton

    Ok, I apologize if I shock some of you who seem ready to give the Pulitzer to Ed Martin but, working in the entertainment industry, I find it kind of weird that this has been written by Ed Martin for the Huff which belongs to …. AOL, which is part of the Time Warner Group, Number 2 of the Entertainment Industry behind… Disney which owns… ABC. Agenda such?
    Especially after the articles the same Ed wrote about B&B 4 months ago as if it was the best soap written (not an ABC soap? How surprising!) ?
    BTW, rumor had it this afternoon that some jackmyers colleagues of Ed were heard joking about the fact that Ed was creating some buzz by using his mom to provide him info on GH as he is not watching GH on a regular basis… LOL

    I also don’t see how an article of the Huff would bother very much the Disney people or the top guys of ABC considering who is the majority shareholder of the Huff.

    Finally, on the article itself, first lesson in journalism, check your info and your sources. That’s why the Becky recurring mention bothered me but after all this is not the NYT or the WSJ, so you can make a few mistakes I guess.

    Is he right about the totally pathetic writing of GH? Of course! But how is this “a scoop”? BTW I adore Becky Herbst and I agree that she is the most popular actress of GH so sorry GHvet, you can have some “reserves” on this article without being “Team Sam or jasam”.

    I agree with the posters saying that picking Luke as the driver is a smart move. Killing Jake however was a very short sighted one and very very stupid writing decision that they will probably regret in a few years from now (if GH still airs).
    The “if they had to kill a child, let’s make it Joss” and detailing one was completely out of base for me. You don’t say that killing children is hurting the soap genre to propose another name as a designated victim a few lines later.

    Overall, was it good that the poor writing of GH was advertised? Yes because the writing has really been at his worst for months. Do I honestly think that it was a “brilliant” article? No but if some people loved it, great. I just hope that it will bring some of those people to read other articles of the Huff as their political stuff is usually what I would call “brilliant”.

  34. Avatar of Cyberologist
    Cyberologist

    I don’t like the story so I haven’t watched much of it what I did see I wasn’t impressed its the same ole same ole for me; I’m even less impressed by what I’ve read about it. A child ran over and killed by a drunk driver who is the father of the man who helped raise the child is an interesting concept on a storyboard …. until its executed.

    The mother was not written with a strong (positive) focus. There is so much misogyny in this storyline I am not even bothering with citing it suffice it to say its the same favoritism.

    I’ve always been a Jake and Jason fan and rooted for a (positive) storyline for a relationship with his son (even though I know the politics of Brian Frons would never allow that to happen)

    I certainly didn’t expect to see him plead for his organ for his old bang buddy and his god daughter who he had no trouble acknowledging by publically standing up for her. I knew when I saw Carly attached to this storyline how it would go down..

    Its just a tired reminder what a lapdog Jason is for Carly and how she’s the worse thing to happen to him since the day they met. The meat of the article is right on point as far as I’m concerned. Kudos to someone who tells it like it is. Its his opinion and he has a right to it just as I to mine and I happen to agree with him.

    Its too much death on GH every sweep somebody dies and I don’t find that entertaining… they killed off Jake to make way for Jason’ now his douche-bag status has been whitewashed away…I still feel he had no business to even be in this story as much as he was..

    I saw the pimp hand stroking with the Jake and Jason motorcycle scene in the hospital and knew the tone of how this story would be written and I wasn’t wrong it being Becky’s exit story has nothing to do with “how” it was written (for me). Its just another excuse for another poorly written storyline and if they really wanted to make a statement IA why wasn’t it Aiden (hurt) then later he finds out it is his grandson? I personally find children (as in the bus crash storyline) death not what I want to see on soap opera and usually avoid these stories for those who enjoy them.

  35. Avatar of cokeyloveshersoaps
    cokeyloveshersoaps

    ICAM!I want to say more but i can’t use the kind of language i want to about this dumb half ass s/l and Cyber i agr with u i knew how this story was going to play out when i saw Carly name attached to it GOD i hate that woman.

  36. Avatar of cokeyloveshersoaps
    cokeyloveshersoaps

    Fans of GH and TPTB should be happy atleast it got publicity and another thing if jake should have died because he was born in lust then Jason shouldn’t be alive either since Alan cheated on Monica with Jason mother.

  37. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=Karissa]Look I never cared for Jake. I am sorry the kid is gone but really when I looked at Jake it reminded of something I heard in on a Steve King movie. Born in sin come on in born in lust turn to dust. Jake was born in lust so now he is dust. Sorry[/quote]

    WTF????????????????? >)

  38. Avatar of GHvetfan
    GHvetfan

    nickskelton – “Is he right about the totally pathetic writing of GH? Of course! But how is this “a scoop”? BTW I adore Becky Herbst and I agree that she is the most popular actress of GH so sorry GHvet, you can have some “reserves” on this article without being “Team Sam or jasam”. ”

    Of course you can!!!

    Who wanted to give the dude the Pullitzer? I didn’t read any post here that wanted to annoint the guy as the second coming or anything. I just read posts where folks agreed or were happy that GH is being called out for lousy writing.

  39. Avatar of Dariclone
    Dariclone

    I don’t watch the show on a daily basis so I can’t comment about too many of the finer details but what impressed me about the article was how well the author knew the show’s history and how he was reflecting what so many intelligent people here have been saying about the writer for years.

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    Luke

    Just a few last thoughts (and I posted this in the other thread as well)

    First on the point of recurring and fired. Fine. One implies your completely gone. Whereas the other implies that you are not guaranteed to be on, but could be called in to do some work. Either way, your out of a stable job, with no guarantee of anything in the long run. Your at the mercy of someone needing your services. I honestly don’t think the use of the word recurring was anything but confusion on the writers part and just the fact its a commonly used word in soap lingo.

    Second: I don’t think the point of the whole “using Joss instead of Jake thing” was in anything other than offering an idea or opinion on the storyline in question. I also don’t think the example was contradictory in that its a logic we have all used with this hack’s writing. Guza is gonna do what he wants, audience and critics be damned. He was determined to kill off a kid and that’s that. I think the writers point was its not a good thing for the show; you shouldn’t do it; but IF you are going to regardless of how bad an idea everyone is telling you it is, why not use it to provide character growth to one of the characters you refuse to evolve or write any growth for?

    Again, I think the point of the article was to get across that this show and its writing is bad and there is no two ways about it. This storyline is right down there with some of the most horrid I’ve seen. Nothing about this accident, about Joss’ cancer, about anything makes one iota of sense. The acting? Superb and I don’t think the acting (save for some on the show) has ever been in question. It seemed to be merely fodder to give a number of actors Emmy worthy material. And while good for them and their resume, I would have liked to have seen a story not with holes the size of train tunnel that completely ruins what, at one time in soap history, could have been a true umbrella story.

  41. Avatar of Luke
    Luke

    On the whole subject about whether it was a good idea to make Luke the driver, I don’t think anyone disagrees that when its someone you actually care about, it raises the stakes and makes the story that much more important. But IMO, that only works when you have the writing in place to back up the decision. And IMO, GH and Guza don’t. Its like a sports team making a commitment to sign the best coach in the league, but refusing to give him the players he needs to succeed. It helps no one. And while the actors have been acting their butts off, what happens to the story when the crying and hysterics aren’t working or needed? I need a helluva lot more than acting to sink my teeth in.

    I just feel in this fractured Television landscape, wouldn’t you try your best to put out the best possible product to compete for the audiences attention?

  42. Avatar of EricasEvilTwin
    EricasEvilTwin

    Nickskelton Great Post. I agree with about 95% of it and I thought the bit about AOL interesting. Also have to say I LMAO about Ed Martin using his mommy as a source!! TOO FUNNY

  43. Avatar of Cyberologist
    Cyberologist

    Luke Fantastic insight…

    OK look at the follow up to this storyline…a poster did this so well so why bother to re-invent the wheel…in the aftermath of Jake’s death…

    via hookedongh: “Well today was Jake’s “OFF-SCREEN” funeral

    Sonny didn’t go cause Brenda didn’t go and she didn’t want to cause a scene with Carly.

    Luke didn’t go,

    Jason didn’t go TO HIS SON’S FUNERAL because he didn’t want to intrude on Liz/Lucky, so instead he went to see Joss who Luke was visiting (like Luke gives a [!@#$%^&*] a bout Joss or Jake for that matter til now when he killed him).”

    Tell me is this good writing? LoL

  44. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    [quote=Karissa]Look I never cared for Jake. I am sorry the kid is gone but really when I looked at Jake it reminded of something I heard in on a Steve King movie. Born in sin come on in born in lust turn to dust. Jake was born in lust so now he is dust. Sorry[/quote]

    Excuse Me But Are You Saying That Since Jake was Concieved Outta Wedlock Which according to your post is sin, he’s better off or should be dead or as you said in the dust?

  45. Avatar of Luke
    Luke

    ^^Today was indication of one of two things:

    The first being obvious that Guza has got to go. If there were an award show that honored the worst in daytime, this episode could have been submitted for worst daytime drama.

    Second? That he is already gone and we are in the midst of massive reorganization of the show and why its so badly written and disjointed.

    Whatever the case maybe, Guza and just Frons and his cronies in general are the single worst things to happen daytime tv as a whole. Forget OJ, forget budget cuts. Their acceptance and clear championing of clear mediocrity (and that’s being generous) has been the saddest thing to watch from once great programming

  46. Avatar of alstonboy4315
    alstonboy4315

    Karissa,

    I don’t know your background, and I normally allow others to post whatever they like as long as it doesn’t bash me or disrespect me personally, but I found your comment to be among the most disgusting and offensive I have ever read on this website. ALL children are blessings and the God I serve doesn’t make mistakes. Saying that a child deserves to die because of some silly movie that you saw and spouting some “born in lust, turn to dust” nonsense makes me nauseous!! There really is no excuse for you to make such an insensitive comment, even if we are talking about a FICTIONAL child here, it still hits home to most of us as if Jake WERE a real child.

    Children NEVER deserve to die. END OF STORY!!!

    P.S– And I know you are entitled to your own opinion, but this is the most sickening opinion I have read all day—if not all year!!! When a child dies, it’s ALWAYS a big deal!!!! You should be ashamed of yourself for even making such a vile insinuation in the first place!!!

  47. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    Again, I think the point of the article was to get across that this show and its writing is bad and there is no two ways about it. This storyline is right down there with some of the most horrid I’ve seen. Nothing about this accident, about Joss’ cancer, about anything makes one iota of sense. The acting? Superb and I don’t think the acting (save for some on the show) has ever been in question. It seemed to be merely fodder to give a number of actors Emmy worthy material. And while good for them and their resume, I would have liked to have seen a story not with holes the size of train tunnel that completely ruins what, at one time in soap history, could have been a true umbrella story.

    *********************

    Great post, Luke, and totally agree! Superb acting, storyline has more holes than swiss cheese!

    [quote] Jake was born in lust so now he is dust. Sorry [/quote]

    I echo JAQ and alstonboy in regards to their responses to the above statement. You don’t have to ‘care’ for a soap child to be disgusted by this storyline, not only how it played out but how it makes no damn sense whatsoever. No matter if it were Jake or anyone else. As far as the lust to dust, well, that would also include just about every other soap child ever born since their television debut and many of them are still walking and talking and taking up massive amounts of screentime on SoapNet as I type this. SORASED and all. As a whole, I personally don’t agree with your comment, Karissa, and will respectfully leave it at that, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter if one heavily disagrees.

  48. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    [quote=JAQ]Appleridge..IGNORE that post. You can’t change IGNORANT people.[/quote]

    I Know I Should But Children Are Innocent & That Was IMHO Opinion Vile & Disqusting Post

  49. Avatar of
    JAQ

    That post should be removed. It was upsetting to all who read it. Well most that read it. A person wants to spread there sprew..let them go in some back ally to do it.

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