HomeTVGeneral HospitalIs a Baby The Solution to Jason’s Grief on General Hospital? Luke Kerr April 5, 2011 135 Comments Apparently Carly’s (Laura Wright) solution for Jason's (Steve Burton) grief over Jake's death is suggesting Sam (Kelly Monaco) get pregnant. Yet having children has solved so many of Carly’s issues, haven’t they? Maybe instead of trying to fix Jason’s problems, Carly should let him work through his loss in his own way, instead of meddling? Watch this week’s General Hospital promo after the jump! 135 Responses No Daisy April 5, 2011 Oh please! GH can Bite me. They are not wasting any time are they? Jake who? Log in to Reply jlafferty23 April 5, 2011 I don’t a rats ass who this storyline insults or pisses off. JaSam wanted a baby LONG BEFORE Jake was ever born.. It’s time for Sam to have her baby. Period. Log in to Reply elwood123 April 5, 2011 When you gotta kill a baby and fire an actress to continue to force a failed pairing down ‘non-viewers’ throats, the pathetic agenda became more pathetic. Jason is a deadbeat, suddenly giving him another kid before the first kid he dumped is cold will help ratings exactly how? Nobody will realize how contrived and agenda ridden that is? Oh yeah, we’re stupid and can be told what to like. Yeah, the ratings prove that doesn’t work. Even with a stunt this big, they could only muster a 2.1. 1.7′s were not a fluke, as soon as this crap plays out, they’ll go right back, and stay there until cancellation, no doubt. Log in to Reply diallo41 April 5, 2011 [quote=jlafferty23]I don’t a rats ass who this storyline insults or pisses off. JaSam wanted a baby LONG BEFORE Jake was ever born..[/quote] not for nothing but file me under pissed off! Log in to Reply patrick1965 April 5, 2011 This is my last comment i’m writing in here today. Because this site keeps making me change my password all the time, just because i don’t comment everyday. I will only read the articles in here and that’s it. :p Log in to Reply jlafferty23 April 5, 2011 elwood. JaSam have a HUGE fanbase. Let’s not pretend they don’t, okay? Because I know Liason has a huge fanbase, I am not bashing any of you or your couple. But JaSam fans have waited for a baby for a very long time, why does this have to be a fanbase war, I commented and say what I said, because I know people are going to turn this into a fanbase war. Why can’t Liason fans just be like “I’m glad for the JaSam fans” ..geez. When Rebecca Herbst was fired, JaSam fans gave Liz/Rebecca fans their sympthaies, and even called into ABC including me. I am not a Liz fan, but I did not want to see Rebecca lose her job, and to be honest, I didn’t even want the Elizabeth character gone. When it was revealed Jake was going to die, most JaSam fans, such as myself, told Liason fans “Sorry, this sucks” I don’t understand why everything turns into a fanbase war, it’s stupid. we are all adults here. Log in to Reply melodious87 April 5, 2011 “I don’t a rats ass who this storyline insults or pisses off. JaSam wanted a baby LONG BEFORE Jake was ever born.. It’s time for Sam to have her baby. Period.” So killing Jake justifies it?? Sam can go have her baby somewhere else. Because of this ridiculous story it’s completely SLAUGHTERED the character of Jason Morgan. This shouldn’t be about Jason and Sam’s ‘miracle’ child. It’s pretty freaking tacky and disgusting. Log in to Reply mr.sam mccall1 April 5, 2011 [quote=elwood123]When you gotta kill a baby and fire an actress to continue to force a failed pairing down ‘non-viewers’ throats, the pathetic agenda became more pathetic. Jason is a deadbeat, suddenly giving him another kid before the first kid he dumped is cold will help ratings exactly how? Nobody will realize how contrived and agenda ridden that is? Oh yeah, we’re stupid and can be told what to like. Yeah, the ratings prove that doesn’t work. Even with a stunt this big, they could only muster a 2.1. 1.7′s were not a fluke, as soon as this crap plays out, they’ll go right back, and stay there until cancellation, no doubt.[/quote] ________________________________________________________ The hole forced couple failed pairaing can be said about Liason also. Ppl act like JaSam lets be real it Sam who yall blame this on. I LMAO when reading stuff like this. OK first who says JaSam failed were. If you go by ratings they haven’t. Every last couple has lovers, I don’t care about them and non-fans. Tell us where it says JaSam failed.Polls they won those, Kelly has sold out fan events. Where does it say they failed. And one couple doesn’t make or break GH. This hole doublestandard I read is crap. OK first yall prise everything when it’s Sam and Lucky tossed under the bus and looked like Kelly was leaving. When it was Jiz time it was all is well. Liason didn’t make the ratings. And to say oh after this GH well get canned because of JASAM BS. Do you know there are other ppl and s/l’s on this show. But you wanna blame everything on JaSam. Over a kid who isn’t here or may not even happen. Also they tossed ppl into the mud to make Jake also. And GH ratings where fine when the hole Jake thing happend and afterward. Also 1.7 ratings true GH did hit that but they came back up and were up from that for a while. Log in to Reply LizzieVee April 5, 2011 Jason had his chance and he blew it big time. He left Elizabeth and his real son in the cold and returned to the woman who put his son’s life in danger. Remember the danger? The fans do, it was shoved down our throats for over 2 years. Neither of them deserve a child, especially the “ride and die chick.” Does she plan on bringing the baby with her on stake outs? I will always say this was all agenda driven. The elephant is still in the room and no matter what they do, it will always be there. Log in to Reply melodious87 April 5, 2011 [quote=jlafferty23] Why can’t Liason fans just be like “I’m glad for the JaSam fans” ..geez. [/quote] I think fanbase wars are stupid. Not trying to instigate any of it. But it’s very VERY hard to be graceful or even remotely ‘understanding’ about this story considering the absolute transparent agenda behind it. Sorry but Liason fans have gotten enough crap from the show. NOT saying it justifies ugly nasty fanbase fights. They let Becky go for a reason, they killed Jake for a reason. All for the simple story of giving Jasam a baby. Sorry but I can’t be gracious or support that considering it’s such a cheap, tacky way to go about it. One fanbase has been completely thrown under the bus because the head writers narrow-minded approach at storytelling and propping a couple. That’s pretty low. I’m happy for you but as a Liason fan, I’m completely fed up with this show. I’ve been thrown under the bus one too many times. Log in to Reply jlafferty23 April 5, 2011 melodieous87 What about when the JaSam fanbase was thrown under the bus? From 2005-all the to early 2006, All Jason & Sam talked about was having a baby, they tried over and over again. Jason sleeps with Liz ONCE and has her child, and then we find out Sam couldn’t have children, or at least couldnt carry to term. Guza has slapped alot of fanbases in the face. I do feel for the Liason fans. Simply because Guza never actually gave you your couple, he waved a bone in your face, and then took it away while laughing. He never gave them a true storyline other then “Danger, Danger!” bull crap. I feel for you guys, I do. But as a JaSam fan, I’m just happy that my couple is getting what they always wanted. Log in to Reply elwood123 April 5, 2011 None of that changes the utter agenda around this. Again, if they wanted to give Jason a kid with her, then they needed to suck it up, and write the real story. This man hasn’t change one thing about the ‘danger-danger’ and nobody buys that a kid got hit by a car on a quiet court (see we watch and remember what we saw/heard). They wrote Jason as a deadbeat, they needed to suck that up and write a Jasam baby realistically. Jason has to OWN his douche status and raise another kid. But instead they tried to whitewash Jason by killing a kid and firing one of the most popular actresses on the show. Yeah, people bought it? You see MB’s, nobody bought it. It’s bad story telling, that isn’t Liason fans fault, that’s your boy Frons. He ordered it, now they gotta live with it. Log in to Reply mr.sam mccall1 April 5, 2011 [quote=melodious87][quote=jlafferty23] Why can’t Liason fans just be like “I’m glad for the JaSam fans” ..geez. [/quote] I think fanbase wars are stupid. Not trying to instigate any of it. But it’s very VERY hard to be graceful or even remotely ‘understanding’ about this story considering the absolute transparent agenda behind it. They let Becky go for a reason, they killed Jake for a reason. All for the simple story of giving Jasam a baby. Sorry but I can’t be gracious or support that considering it’s such a cheap, tacky way to go about it. One fanbase has been completely thrown under the bus because the head writers narrow-minded approach at storytelling and propping a couple. That’s pretty low. I’m happy for you but as a Liason fan, I’m completely fed up with this show. I’ve been thrown under the bus one too many times.[/quote] ________________________________________________________________ I have to say when did it say SAM IS HAVING A KID. Also Sam was trash on for Liz/Jason/Jake. JaSam fans was trashed on also for the name of Liason. Lets no act like thats not true. Sam and Jason was planning a family and Liz gets preg and has the same issue Sam has but her baby lived. Sam was at GH when she went into labor. Liz was in the back woods and her baby made it. Another smack in the face of JaSam and what their s/l was. Sorry but you say Liason fans were tossed under the bus so was JaSam’s. Log in to Reply elwood123 April 5, 2011 You’re not bragging about a 2.1 are you? 1.7′s were for a long while. I’m not blaming Sam, I don’t give a crap about Sam, she’s another boil on the Borg’s butt. She’s stupid enough to take back a man that threatened to waste her, that’s on her. But a 2.1 for a huge storyline like this? Even S&B’s wedding got higher than that. Again, if they wanted them to have a kid, they had to OWN how they wrote him, but they didn’t, so this will FAIL hard. It’s not just Liason fans that notice the enormous whitewash Log in to Reply jlafferty23 April 5, 2011 elwood When JaSam were first together, GH averaged 3.5, 3.6, the ratings went down in 2007, and Liason were together, so let’s not play that game.. ratings are down because soaps are dying, not because a certain couple is together. Log in to Reply mr.sam mccall1 April 5, 2011 [quote=elwood123]None of that changes the utter agenda around this. Again, if they wanted to give Jason a kid with her, then they needed to suck it up, and write the real story. This man hasn’t change one thing about the ‘danger-danger’ and nobody buys that a kid got hit by a car on a quiet court (see we watch and remember what we saw/heard). They wrote Jason as a deadbeat, they needed to suck that up and write a Jasam baby realistically. Jason has to OWN his douche status and raise another kid. But instead they tried to whitewash Jason by killing a kid and firing one of the most popular actresses on the show. Yeah, people bought it? You see MB’s, nobody bought it. It’s bad story telling, that isn’t Liason fans fault, that’s your boy Frons. He ordered it, now they gotta live with it.[/quote] —————————————————– Your boy Frons what please lets stop that cause he had no issue of tossing Sam and her fans under the bus for the hole SOS and BS afterward. Yall Liason fans like to speak in broad big terms. Also name these MB. Cuase ppl on here also talked about it. Said sad she lopst her job and moved on. They said that on SOC also. So thats 2 boards where everyvbody “didn’t buy it”. And they put that danger danger thing in for Liason. Liz brought that ish up. Thats on that couple so please. If Jason and Sam want to have a kid they will talk about it JUST LIKE THEY DID B4 THERE EVER WAS A JAKE. Log in to Reply LizzieVee April 5, 2011 In regards to ratings, GH was a solid 3 in the standings with Liason and Skate. They brought in solid numbers in the upper twos, low threes. The day Elizabeth told Jason the baby was his in the elevator, the rating was 3.3. Jasame never brought in those kinds of numbers. The next time the show had a rating over three was Sonny and Brenda’s wedding. Well, I’ll bet you anything, if Liason got married, they would have brought in huge numbers and saved themselves tons of $$. I mean, to have them get married with half the town against it, and Carly shooting daggers at Elizabeth and then sprinkle in Jake and Cameron at the alter with thier parents, that would have been “must see tv.” Log in to Reply mr.sam mccall1 April 5, 2011 [quote=elwood123]You’re not bragging about a 2.1 are you? 1.7′s were for a long while. I’m not blaming Sam, I don’t give a crap about Sam, she’s another boil on the Borg’s butt. She’s stupid enough to take back a man that threatened to waste her, that’s on her. But a 2.1 for a huge storyline like this? Even S&B’s wedding got higher than that. Again, if they wanted them to have a kid, they had to OWN how they wrote him, but they didn’t, so this will FAIL hard. It’s not just Liason fans that notice the enormous whitewash ;)[/quote] ___________________________________________________________________ And it’s not JaSam fans that notice the BS that they did for Liason either. The BS they did for them was crazy. And no one is saying yeah for 2.1. It is what it is. Gh ratings have dropped every year. I want the highest ratings they can get. Ratings isn’t based on one couple. Log in to Reply No Daisy April 5, 2011 I’ll take no part in a fan base war, but I will say that the generalizations that Jasam fans were sypathetic about Becky being fired is a bit of an overstatement. If TIIC want Sam and Jason to have a child then fine, I don’t have to watch. All I’m saying is that it would have been respectful if they had waited more than a week after Jakes death before starting the ‘let me give you a child’ talk. Log in to Reply sescob April 5, 2011 I find this storyline highly offensive and tacky given that Jake JUST died. Regardless of what is said….it is pretty clear they are trying to replace Jake with a new baby. I really don’t care how many supposed years Jasam have wanted a baby…it’s horrible timing. Horrible. Nothing they can say will make it ok and yes, it seems awfully convenient that they fired Becky and then killed off Jake and IMMEDIATELY are pimping this Jasam baby. Michael is running around wanting to murder people, Joss now needs a bodyguard and Brenda will soon fear for her son’s life too….all mob What part of ANY of that makes it ok for Jason to bring another child into this world?? The writing on this show is a disgrace and I fear to see what Guza will really write for this baby storyline. He is NOT to be trusted. Just remember that. Log in to Reply jlafferty23 April 5, 2011 LizzeVee Give me a break, seriously. Like I said, why bring the other fanbase down? I’m choosing not to do this, but I have alot of information that can totally prove what you just said is complete fan fiction, but I won’t. Log in to Reply jlafferty23 April 5, 2011 This is the last comment I’m posting on this. Liason fans, I really do feel sorry for you guys, theres no doubt you guys have been slapped in the face, but alot of fanbases have felt a good slap from Guza and his team, including JaSam. I don’t understand why this has to be fanbase war, we are all adults. Everyone has an opinion, and I totally understand that. Not saying the Liason fans have to like this, but why bring the other fanbase down? When I say that I mean, why say “Liason’s fanbase is bigger” “They are just trying to shove JaSam down our throat” implying that the JaSam fanbase is not big, I would say the fanbases are about 50/50, but then again, nobody will ever know because we can’t count everyone that watches the show. I actually believe JaSam’s fanbase could be bigger but you know what, I will not state that as a fact, because it’s not, its my opinion and I don’t want to insult anybody from the Liason fanbase. Log in to Reply mr.sam mccall1 April 5, 2011 [quote=LizzieVee]In regards to ratings, GH was a solid 3 in the standings with Liason and Skate. They brought in solid numbers in the upper twos, low threes. The day Elizabeth told Jason the baby was his in the elevator, the rating was 3.3. Jasame never brought in those kinds of numbers. The next time the show had a rating over three was Sonny and Brenda’s wedding. Well, I’ll bet you anything, if Liason got married, they would have brought in huge numbers and saved themselves tons of $$. I mean, to have them get married with half the town against it, and Carly shooting daggers at Elizabeth and then sprinkle in Jake and Cameron at the alter with thier parents, that would have been “must see tv.”[/quote] AGAIN I GOTTA LMAO at a post like this. OK Liason was together annd LuSam was trahed on. Which LuSam was a better overall couple imo. But whats funny is you know GH was at 22.214.171.124 when Liason was together. JaSam never brought in 3.3 you know GH was doing 3.3 when they were a full couple b4 they broke up. If you wanna play the blame game on couples when JaSam broke up GH ratings dropped. And if Liason brought in high ratings WHY ARE THEY NOT STILL TOGETHER. ABC IS ABOUT MAKING $$$$ NOT PLACING FAKE COUPLES TOGETHER FOR OWN JOY. IF LIASON WAS THE RATINGS GRABBER WHICH MEANS $$$$ THEY WILL GO WITH THEM. PLAIN AND SIMPLE IF A 24 YR OLD COLLEGE STUDENT LIKE ME KNOWS THAT IM SURE TPTB KNOW THAT. WHY LOSE JOBS OF MANY PPL FOR A FAKE COUPLE. Again while Liason wa togther and was the main couple the show ratings didn’t sky rocket they were number 4. So you wanna place blame well there is some for your side. Tell me why if Liason was the sole money getting why aren’t they together. And don’t blame Frons or back stage BS yall say. Cause he allowed the SOS and Liason. Log in to Reply mr.sam mccall1 April 5, 2011 [quote=jlafferty23]LizzeVee Give me a break, seriously. Like I said, why bring the other fanbase down? I’m choosing not to do this, but I have alot of information that can totally prove what you just said is complete fan fiction, but I won’t.[/quote] Just wanna say I agree and thankyou. Log in to Reply lizzymorganfan April 5, 2011 I think this whole story was terrble. Awful rushed writing. If this was all done to make way for a jason/sam baby then GH really has sunk to a new low. Killing off kids so not good story telling. Steve, Becky did a great job as usual, but this has ruined Jason Morgan for me. I can’t watch this horrible writing anymore, tried to get back into the show but if this is the best they can do, no way. Log in to Reply GHvetfan April 5, 2011 My dog died last week. I cannot count how many people asked me if I was going to get a new one. Some asked before the poor thing had been buried. I do not understand the concept of replacing a dog as easy as if it was a car. Forget the stupid fan war. Carly and Sam are suggesting that Jason father a child to replace Jake? Will a new baby replace a dead baby? I can see them buying him a new gun if he loses the one he has. But, you cannot replace a loved one with another. What kind of backass thinking is that? Log in to Reply Amy121 April 5, 2011 Wow Jake isn’t even cold in the ground and Jason decides it’s ok to have another kid and with the woman who deliberately put Jake in harm’s way on more than one occasion. Yeah, that’s not agenda.*RME* It’s pretty pathetic that they have to fire an actress and kill a sweet little boy to sell a failing pairing. And this couple does bring down the ratings. If they’re promoed or spoiled to be on they go down…like clockwork. Bottom line is Jason’s life is no different than it was before when he refused to be there for Jake. It didn’t magically get better and Michael is proof of that. Jason even thinking of it mere days after Jake’s death is repugnant. Log in to Reply elwood123 April 5, 2011 Yeah seems somehow a 2.4 is lower than a 1.7 but Jasam’s don’t count, so don’t try to fight it This is being universally panned, it’s not just Liason fans, but critics, other fans and main stream media. Fron’s agenda has finally been exposed. Killing a kid to give two mobsters another? One that didn’t give a crap about the kid and one that wanted it dead? The kid isn’t even cold yet. There are whitewashes (saving Jake) then there is this. At least even when they showed Sam save Jake, they didn’t so something this incredibly insulting and obvious a week later. Anyway, don’t really care. It’ll bomb harder than Pearl Harbor. GH is short lived anyway, so meh. Log in to Reply melodious87 April 5, 2011 [quote=mr.sam mccall1][quote=melodious87][quote=jlafferty23] I have to say when did it say SAM IS HAVING A KID. Also Sam was trash on for Liz/Jason/Jake. JaSam fans was trashed on also for the name of Liason. Lets no act like thats not true. Sam and Jason was planning a family and Liz gets preg and has the same issue Sam has but her baby lived. Sam was at GH when she went into labor. Liz was in the back woods and her baby made it. Another smack in the face of JaSam and what their s/l was. Sorry but you say Liason fans were tossed under the bus so was JaSam’s.[/quote] _________________________________________________________________ True. All fanbases have been thrown under the bus but Liason had the worst IMO. You can disagree or argue the point all you want. I’m not belittling Jasam fans plight at all. But try to understand where Liason fans are coming from. Liason had 10+ years of history before Sam even came into town (that is the TRUTH as well) yet constantly more than ONCE got the rug pulled out from under them simply because those in charge hate the pairing. Frons has made it quite clear how much he doesn’t like the character of Elizabeth and doesn’t get the ‘appeal’ of Liason so yeah we’ve been screwed royally from day one. First it was Courtney then Sam. And before anyone jumps on me I’m a JasonFF, he’s the reason I watched this show in the first place. I watched him in every pairing and Liason has always stayed with me. Now tell me why I would want to watch him agreeing to have another child while his dead son is barely cold? Not must-see TV for me. They’ve destroyed Jason Morgan for me because of this. Be thankful your half of the pairing wasn’t fired ‘due to storyline direction’. If that isn’t blatant disrespectful agenda then I don’t know what is. And the excuse that they didn’t have anything to write for Elizabeth’s character is absolute BS to me. They were planning to send Liz to the loony bin after Jake’s death for Becky’s exit, how….convenient. That to me trumps ANY ‘losing child’ or ‘trashing’ a character saga. They were going to get rid of a hard-working talented actress to try and SELL a story. So incredibly sad and pathetic IMO. To each his own, but GH is one hot-Jerry Springer-mess I don’t want any part of anymore. If I want cheap and tawdry and lazy ass writing I’d tune into something else. lol Log in to Reply LizzieVee April 5, 2011 jlafferty23 Well, then we should agree to disagree on this topic because we will never see eye to eye on it. But, the fact is what Sam did in regards to Jake and the danger she herself put him in and Jason still taking her back will always be the elephant in the room. And no matter how hard they try to make us forget it ever happened, it did. It will never go away. In my opinion, it hurt the credibility of the show and it hurt the character of Jason Morgan deeply. The killing of Jake brought the show tons of very bad press and I don’t see them recovering from it. Log in to Reply sassysdreams April 5, 2011 JASAM family!!!!! :love: :party: :love: :party: :love: Log in to Reply melodious87 April 5, 2011 [quote=LizzieVee]jlafferty23 Well, then we should agree to disagree on this topic because we will never see eye to eye on it. But, the fact is what Sam did in regards to Jake and the danger she herself put him in and Jason still taking her back will always be the elephant in the room. And no matter how hard they try to make us forget it ever happened, it did. It will never go away. In my opinion, it hurt the credibility of the show and it hurt the character of Jason Morgan deeply. The killing of Jake brought the show tons of very bad press and I don’t see them recovering from it.[/quote] It so did. That’s where I stand. Try as very hard as they might, they can’t re-write what happened. Sam watched Jake get kidnapped, wished him dead, manipulated situations to keep Jason and Elizabeth apart (no she’s not the reason they stayed apart but she played a part in it and that’s a fact). Jason Morgan would NEVER in a million years take a woman back who did that to his own son. Sorry, but that’s not his MO, Jasam/Sam fans can argue all they want but look at his history and then try to tell me differently. The writers have slaughtered his character all for the likes of this horrible story. He didn’t go to his own son’s memorial yet went to sit with baby Joss to read her a story. Really?? So completely out of character. Jasam may have been sellable the first go around but not this time. This Jason Morgan fan ain’t buying it for a second. Log in to Reply samanthadelayed April 5, 2011 I am neither a JaSam fan nor a Liason fan. I want Liz with Lucky. I suppose Jake’s death was supposed to be just as much about Luke’s alcoholism as it is supposed to be about a JaSam baby. The only thing that bothers me about JaSam breeding is that you know that baby is going to get kidnapped by someone before it’s first birthday! You just know it! Log in to Reply ecompassion April 5, 2011 You know whats really sad is that the jawhore fans are ok with the fact they only way the skank could have jason’s kid is to kill off Jake so jason wouldn’t be considered a deadbeat dad.. He chose to walk away from Jake. What’s even worse …Guza is full of shit because he reasons for Liason not being together was always that he didn’t want Jason domesticated and thats why the skank fit his life.. so what now since the skank furniture has no real use give them a baby so Jason can retire from the mob oh how sweet.. GH is going down the toilet. ABC conintuing to promote this has been mini porn start is ridiculous. I agree Jake dying was not part of the story for RH exit, it was to punish Liason/Liz fans. It always amazes me how people call Liz a whore when skank mccall came on the show as a whore and still is a whore.. Jason and Liz should have been able to mourn for thier son together. SKank McCall and The Beast snarly are just pathetic bitches who are selfish and disgusting.. what BFF tells there friend to have a replacement baby when their kid isn’t even cold enough in his grave.. GH writers SUCK at doing any type of realistic storytelling.. FIRE GUZA and FRONS then maybe KEHO would be put back into her rightful place on the show as a used up piece of furniture. OH WAIT THATS WHAT SHE IS NOW.. WHEN YOU HAVE TO SELL A CHARACTER AND PUT HER IN EVERY SCENE TO MAKE VIEWERS LIKE HER THEN THEIR IS A PROBLEM.. THAT MEANS THE BITCH DOESN’T WORK.. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now April 5, 2011 [quote] GH is one hot-Jerry Springer-mess I don’t want any part of anymore. [/quote] OMG, I’m SO putting that on a T-Shirt!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! :LOL: :LOL: Log in to Reply scott ward1 April 5, 2011 No, a “replacement” baby is not the way for Jason to relive his grief. I think its really tacky that the writers are to forging ahead with this “replacement” baby storyline. Jake hasn’t been dead long & the writers are ready to have Jason consider his “replacement”. Wow, this is the only story Guza could come up for these two. The agenda reeks!!! So, what message is GH/ABC promoting to those viewers who may have lost a child violently or to an illness? Go have another child to replace the one you lost. Yeah, I get that this a soap but if GH was striving to do a story that touches on real life issues then it should be written as closely realistic as it can get. This is really over the top even for a soap. No matter how much they spin this storyline, Jake was killed off to faciliate a JaLAME baby because that’s the only way the TIIC could sell it to the masses. The only fans that’s really interested in a “replacement” is the JaLAMERS. The only reason this 1.7,1.8,1.9 couple is back together is because of FRONS make no mistake. How many times can Guza re create their lame shoot out adventures? Sam will ALWAYS be a unrootable & unrelatable “low IQ beer fetcher”, even if she becomes a mommy. They really have nothing going for them before & they certainly don’t have anything going for them now. If JaLAME was bringing 3.3 their first go round, what happened to them now that they can’t even get a 2.0? Where’s the large fanbase? Anyway, like all the other storylines featured around JaLAME this too shall fail! Log in to Reply arielade April 5, 2011 Wow… fanbase wars! I think BOTH Liz fans AND Sam fans can agree that the problem isn’t with the characters, it’s with the WRITING. And that falls squarely on one @$$hat’s shoulders…. GUZA. We should not bash each other over his CRAPPY CRAPPY PIECE OF EFFING CRAP GDAMNED “WRITING”!!!! I hate him so much, and I’m a relatively peaceful person! Log in to Reply LovinLiason April 5, 2011 Hell To The NO A jashame baby is certainly not the solution. Ashame and disgusted is what I feel about General Hospital as a whole. And if the Powers-That-Be cared for this show and their viewing audience they too should be ashame of the Unbelieveable, and personal backstage politics that are being displayed in these current storylines which is one of the reasons are viewers are turning ABC Daytime off. The Soap genre is not dying but when the executives in charge allow men like Frons & Guza to write the garbage that’s currently being displayed the viewers do what’s best for them and vote with their remote. I didn’t think it was possible but with the stroke of his killer pen Guza has managed to make the viewers HATE Jason even more. Guza, you have made Jason Morgan a JOKE. The H-N-R storyline that killed Jake just so Jason could have another baby is Not a good look. All this storyline have done is prove what a DOUCHEBAG Jason really is, this jasambaby storyline is proving that Jason has Betrayed HIS son in life and continues to Betray him even in death, this storyline proves that this couple is so threated by Jake and Elizabeth that ALL ties had to be severed for Guza to feel like they could work or so the audience would feel so bad for Jason that another child would work. Well Guza & company you thought wrong, WE WILL NOT BE TRAINED TO LIKE OR WATCH THIS SHAMEFUL, AND DISGUSTING MESS THAT YOU CALL A Storyline. The Jason character is DEAD to us, how can you show Jason doing all this heartbreaking crying and feeling sorry for himself but yet he didn’t have enough love for his son to even attend his memorial service. That in itself is UNFORGIVEABLE. How dare you not allow Jason & Elizabeth mourn THEIR child together and if that wasn’t enough, Jake isn’t even cold good and you write Jason wanting to TRY and replace him by making a baby with the very woman that wanted Jake dead from the very beginning. Are you all on drugs over there? What descent man does this? Ohhh wait, we’re talking about Jason, the man though in the mob had some integrity about him, the man that at one time would kill the person that put children in harms way but when it came to HIS son those rules no longer applied. Unbelievable, just Unbelievable if you think this is the kind of storyline the mothers and woman viewers would want to watch from what was once their fan favorite (Jason). You can write Jason having as many babies as you want BUT NOT ONE of them will have what JAKE had, two Legacy parents. Not one of them will ever replace the love and adoration we HAVE for Jake. It’s ashame that you all didn’t have enough faith in Jake or the future of GH and all the possible Jake & Jason storylines that could have been written for ” General Hospitals Next Generation”. It’s really ashame that the Executives with all the power to make the necessary changes to make this a great show again and stop the personal backstage favoritism has not made an effort to do so. Jason Morgans character needs to be redeemed and it needs to be redeemed ASAP. And If the writers think they have redeemed him from this latest mess, then everyone of them needs to be fired. Two things need to happen, One, Jake needs to be alive so Jason can step up and claim him, and then show the viewers the lessons he learned when he thought his son had died, and Two, Jason can’t truly be shown redeemed as long as he continues to sleep with that woman that wanted his son dead, we will never accept our Jason being with her Never. Redeem Jason Morgan and You Can Save General Hospital! Sent from my iPod Log in to Reply Miry April 6, 2011 In a word: Gross. Log in to Reply bcmom April 6, 2011 Even if you take out the fact that both Jason and Sam declared not that long ago that their lifestyle doesn’t really fit a baby this storyline is just nutty. If these two are always running around saving everyone else how exactly do you put a baby in that scenario. I am not a Jasam hater or anything …just doesn’t seem to fit the characters as they are written. I highly doubt that any parent that only lost their child a week ago would be “hey lets make a baby and replace the one I just lost”??!! Good grief –can we give it more than a nanosecond? Log in to Reply TheCreamTeam April 6, 2011 [quote=GHfan-4now][quote] GH is one hot-Jerry Springer-mess I don’t want any part of anymore. [/quote] OMG, I’m SO putting that on a T-Shirt!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! :LOL: :LOL:[/quote] O_O that is THE best description of what GH has become!!! I suppose masses tune in for Springer, so they might tune in for this… but, wait, don’t audiences tune in to Springer to make fun of it and the people? I kinda don’t think GH’s aim is to have people laughing it it…. :~ Log in to Reply Ravennite613 April 6, 2011 Yeah so much for the naysayers who said that JaSam could have a baby with Jake in the picture…guess the almighty Frons didn’t think so. Please killing Jake was all about a JaSam baby nothing more and nothing less. And for the record I never had a problem with a JaSam baby as long as it didn’t come at the expense of Jake, but there is an idjit in charge who thinks way too much and none of it is ever good. I can’t see how killing Jake can be about Luke’s alcoholism I mean the man has had this problem for years and its part of who he is so why now. The man still drinks and will continue to drink, he had many other reasons to stop and never did, so why am I going to believe that killing his non-bio grandkid is really going to bother him in the long run. I still want Jake to be alive and have him one day come back with nothing but hate for Jason..let him be the anti-Michael Log in to Reply TheCreamTeam April 6, 2011 [quote=arielade]Wow… fanbase wars! I think BOTH Liz fans AND Sam fans can agree that the problem isn’t with the characters, it’s with the WRITING. And that falls squarely on one @$$hat’s shoulders…. GUZA. We should not bash each other over his CRAPPY CRAPPY PIECE OF EFFING CRAP GDAMNED “WRITING”!!!! I hate him so much, and I’m a relatively peaceful person![/quote] ____________________________________________________________ I agree. and I don’t think it’s Liason v Jasam either, except in some small way. In a BIG WAY most of the people hating this baby crap (from Jake being killed to Jason considering another child) SQUARELY lands on Jason and how unrootable he’s become. Jasam had their day, they really did. The highlight being the loss of Sam and Sonny’s child. After that there wasn’t anywhere for the couple to go (presumably in the writers eyes at least) because they trashed them royally. All the stuff Sam pulled on an innocent mother and child… Jason threatening to kill her… etc. The problem is, it was probably some of the best stuff GH’s done in a while. What was done, for whatever reason, was too good, too soapy to be forgotten. It’s a shame KeMo did such a GREAT job being bad!! It’s a bummer Jason and Liz garnered so many fans for their brief stint!! It’s too bad the ratings were in a slow slide and ‘someone’ thought they could fix it if they just went back to the way it was. Because when they pulled the rug out from LuSam and Liason (Skate, JoLu & coupled with Toxic Balls)- ratings tanked Well– you can’t go back.. that was proven. Jason and Sam are right were they were before, when they wisely broke them up- NO WHERE. BORING. I think Lucky and Sam could have been the best thing to hit GH in a while. They were everything Guza can do (action) and less mob, which the audience was clamoring for. Sam, Lucky & Luke adventures could have been legendary. By now Liason would have been married, done their thing and been divorced by now (LOL). Log in to Reply TheCreamTeam April 6, 2011 To the actual topic: The baby will not fix things… at least for the audience. They can write some sappy miracle baby for them but there are STILL too many elephants in the room. Turns my stomach to think of all the wreckage done to GH just so this couple can have a baby. Didn’t anyone think it through? It’s revolting. I would be happy for the Jasam fans but I think they are getting ripped off just as much as the fans are. They get to be blamed for this crap when it’s no their fault at all… that goes to JFP, BG & BF. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 6, 2011 All I can say is wow…all those times I got called out by the jiz fans about nicknames. I guess if skank and jashame are back in play, I should roll The Easy Bake Oven of Port Charles back out for action. And I love that everyone is okay with ecompassion trash talking Kelly (the actress vs. the character) If I called Rebecca names this site would have a meltdown. Hell, some of us couldnt even suggest that rebecca was fired because of the budget cuts without getting shredded. Oh and where are all the people that go crazy whenever something about liz or becky gets posted on dc and sam fans are told that we basically arent ALLOWED to comment in a thread that BELONGS to her fans – and if we do we are childish and baiting….hmmm I wonder where Starr is (just as an example) Some of you Lizard fans are seriously as Lizocritical as the character you love. Thankfully there are many that arent – but SMDH at the rest. Log in to Reply baysidenan April 6, 2011 If the solution for grieving for your child (after what…a week or so); is to turn around and have a child (let alone sleep with); the child endangering hag that wanted your child dead in the first place; this must be GH…totally revolting . Rushed,badly written ,agenda driven crap. Guess they figured the only way to make this proven failed coupling work(1.7) is to fire Becky Herbst and kill off Jake’s character…ummmm…good luck with that. Many,many of us know the show’s history(writers…you should try this approach) and know the Jason character much better than it seems the writers do. Jason Morgan would have never breathed the same air as that person again, let alone be in a relationship with her again. This is agenda driven nonsense at it’s finest. Any other couple that had failed this miserably would have been yanked a long time ago…what does this tell you? The higher up(s) responsible for this disaster should have been let go a long time ago and should not have been allowed to decimate this character or this show any further. The Jason/Liz pairing has won tons of polls and the super couple smackdown…what does that say coupled with the horrendous ratings EVERYTIME a certain couple is promoed? Not a good way to run a business with blatent bias and favortism for certain actors(actresses)..even when they are so painfully lacking in chemistry together…very apparent. Maybe this time when the ratings tank with this ridiculous, disgusting storyline; you will Try listening to your fans for once and start fresh and hire all new “higher ups” (writers included); and maybe this show won’t get cancelled. Log in to Reply Perkie April 6, 2011 Disclaimer: I`m not a LIason fan or a JaSam fan. Jason sucks the life out of any woman they pair him with. If they really did kill off Jake in order to fascilitate a JAsam baby, that`s the dumbest move ever. There is far more story in Jasam having a baby, while Jason`s other son lives across town. Especially once Jake would have been SORASed and behaving like a teenager. These writers clearly are not thinking long term and that`s just a detriment to the whole genre. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 6, 2011 The Cream Team – they trashed JaSam not because the writers thought there was nowhere for the couple to go, but rather because Kelly dared to fight for a fair contract with a few outs – the same as most of the other LEADS have – and they did her character dirty as punishment. Meanwhile Mo, Steve and tony banded together to fight for their contracts and nothing happened to their characters. As women (for those of us that are), we should be applauding a fellow female fighting for fairness in the workplace. Remember Laura went nuts because Genie did likewise. This is Guza’s MO and it sucks. As for whatever happens next, the issue is the writing. the Jake storyline has failed because of the writing. The Scrubs story started well and then turned in to rubbish because of the writing. Sonny nearly killed Kristina in a CAR BOMB and two years ago he LEFT THE MOB…talk about the writers not knowing history…and those things have trashed the Sonny character because of the writing. And its not the storylines…because the storylines arent bad…but the execution is horrific. All this nonsense about ratings and pairings and whatnot means nothing as long as the writing stays disjointed. Oh and I forgot to add in the other post…where are all the save our soaps people who CLAIMED their campaign wasnt about skate, carjax, scrubs and jiz but about getting back to family. Okay THIS is family. Lots of couples deal with infertility issues and we havent even found out if sam’s health problems/headaches are behind her yet. If and when she has this child,that child will be a Q and a Cassadine. Log in to Reply mr.sam mccall1 April 6, 2011 [quote=EricasEvilTwin]All I can say is wow…all those times I got called out by the jiz fans about nicknames. I guess if skank and jashame are back in play, I should roll The Easy Bake Oven of Port Charles back out for action. And I love that everyone is okay with ecompassion trash talking Kelly (the actress vs. the character) If I called Rebecca names this site would have a meltdown. Hell, some of us couldnt even suggest that rebecca was fired because of the budget cuts without getting shredded. Oh and where are all the people that go crazy whenever something about liz or becky gets posted on dc and sam fans are told that we basically arent ALLOWED to comment in a thread that BELONGS to her fans – and if we do we are childish and baiting….hmmm I wonder where Starr is (just as an example) Some of you Lizard fans are seriously as Lizocritical as the character you love. Thankfully there are many that arent – but SMDH at the rest.[/quote] __________________________________________________________________________ THANKYOU FOR SAYING THIS And every word you said was true cause if you DARE say something about RH even if it wasn’t a foul remark you are trash in a insant. But with KeMo it’s over looked wow. But the thing is Sam/KeMo fans still come on this place. Not as many as b4 because of a stupid-ass remark like what was said but Sam fans are still on here. I wonder if nybody eles will comment on that. Cause God knows if that was RH. I would think ppl would say something if you are or aren’t a fan of the character the role player is different. But that just goes to show how crazy some jizzers are. Hating on KeMo just a sad bitter loser. Log in to Reply Luke April 6, 2011 A thread that once again reinforces why I hate anything and everything having to do with Guza and St. Jasus. The most undeserving character for a fanbase war. Log in to Reply jonibear239 April 6, 2011 I agree..I actually love this story with Sam and Jason because I love Sam and Jason. Sam has been thru alot and lost alot and regained her life and her love and that Love is Jason. Sam has a legion of fans who want to see her happy and if that happiness is a baby..then bring it on. If it upsets some fans of Liz well that is just to bad, because this is a Soap and shit happens. It certainly happened to Sam when she wanted desperately to have a child by Jason and Liz got pregnant instead. So the ratings are good..the story is great and the love is excellent and I have been watching GH for more than 30 years and I know the history of both couples and JaSam makes magic. If fans don’t like it..than suck it up and move on or not. We love our Sam as much as you love your Liz..so I’m sick and tired of all the Sound and Fury! signifying NOTHING! Pull your big girl panties up and stop your whinning or go find something else to watch..whatever..just shut up and be glad that RH is still working. I bet she is! Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 6, 2011 First, we havent seen the story, but you have a couple that has WANTED a child together off and on for nearly ten years, a couple that lost a child together, lost custody of hope together, and had any hope of having a child together stripped from them by manny. At that point both of them buried that desire but it was still there and you could see that when kelly told Sam that it was a possibility – sam was torn up about it and said she didnt want something where the chances were so high that she would have to go through that kind of loss and sorrow again. Add to that jasons heartache and doubts regarding whether he SHOULD have been with jake and how much he wanted that. Then carly comes in and starts yammering. Jason didnt say to sam hey lets replace jake. Sam didnt say hey my womb might be a possibility, lets gear up the factory. No, it was carly and lets face it, carly feels badly that jason spent so many years dealing with her family and not having one of his own – added to the whole liver transplant issue. This is just carly being carly. If a couple WANTS a child and has WANTED a child for so long but you have buried that want, and then someone comes along and forces the issue out in to the light of COURSE you are going to discuss it and weigh the options. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 6, 2011 Jonibear you GO GIRL! :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :bigsmile: Log in to Reply sunnydays25 April 6, 2011 Any storyline, regardless of who the characters are, that promotes creating a child to replace a dead one…never mind a just recently deceased one…is disgusting and appalling. oh, and I’m editing this to add…can we not make any disatisfaction we may have with this storyline a personal attack on the actors who play the characters you may hate? Why trash KM or RH just because you don’t like their character? I just don’t understand the viciousness of some fans…be upset at the s/l or character, but personal attacks on the actors are childish, sad and just plain mean. Log in to Reply jlafferty23 April 6, 2011 I said I wasn’t going to comment anymore, but I have one more thing to day. It’s funny, most Liason fans say Jason is a deadbeat dad, that just gave his sperm to Liz, and Lucky was his real father because Jason abandoned Jake and Liz. But when JaSam want to have a baby, all of sudden Jason was Jake’s father, and people are rioting. Pick one for Gosh sakes, either he was a father or he wasn’t. IMO. Lucky was Jake’s father, he raised him. Jason has every right to grieve because he never got to know his son, but let’s face it, he barely knew Jake…. just sayin. Okay Now I’m done. Log in to Reply liason4real April 6, 2011 Well, I guess the “theory” that the only reason RH and the little actor that played Jake was fired is about to come true. How sad. How sad that TPTB has to stoop so low in order to facilitate a child for JaSam. I guess all of the Guza/SBu chats and other articles is one way to try and do damage control, but it’s too late. Soap fans are not stupid and once the “lets replace Jake” promo began to air fans will either continue watching GH or turn the show off. Log in to Reply ahanshew April 6, 2011 I could care less if Sam has a baby. I could care less if Sam has Jason’s baby. I CARE that the writer’s killed off Jake so Jasam could have a baby. Jason’s already admitted he made a mistake letting Jake go(when he said he only held Jake 8 times, it broke my heart). So now Jason’s changed his mind and it’s ok? Pfffft!!! Yeah, I’d say Frons has made his point. Oh, and seriously, some of you are acting worse than my 3 year old. Log in to Reply sassysdreams April 6, 2011 [quote=jonibear239]I agree..I actually love this story with Sam and Jason because I love Sam and Jason. Sam has been thru alot and lost alot and regained her life and her love and that Love is Jason. Sam has a legion of fans who want to see her happy and if that happiness is a baby..then bring it on. If it upsets some fans of Liz well that is just to bad, because this is a Soap and shit happens. It certainly happened to Sam when she wanted desperately to have a child by Jason and Liz got pregnant instead. So the ratings are good..the story is great and the love is excellent and I have been watching GH for more than 30 years and I know the history of both couples and JaSam makes magic. If fans don’t like it..than suck it up and move on or not. We love our Sam as much as you love your Liz..so I’m sick and tired of all the Sound and Fury! signifying NOTHING! Pull your big girl panties up and stop your whinning or go find something else to watch..whatever..just shut up and be glad that RH is still working. I bet she is![/quote] jonibear239 ~ BRAVO!!!!! :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :bigsmile: EET ~ Well said! :beer: :beer: :beer: Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 6, 2011 Jlafferty you are totally right. The logic in all of this is inconsistent. Sunny to be clear, I skipped some of the posts that were mostly just name calling, but the only person who attacked anyone personally was ecompassion talking about kelly. Just that one. No one said boo about rebecca other than to say that IF what gets said about Kelly was said about rebecca there would be nuclear armageddon on this board. That’s statement doesnt reflect on rebecca at all, only on the double standard of SOME fans. I am glad that you said there is a line between trash talking characters and trash talking the actors. I agree wholeheartedly. I just wish that some fans, who complain about things like nicknames or being too passionate about pairings or even trashing a couple in a thread they think should be just for fans of a certain pairing, would at least speak up when someone goes after the actors. I would think if nicknames about a fictional character offend someone, certainly nicknames and pejoratives about a REAL person would offend that same person even more. Yet not one person said ANYTHING about ecompassions post. Thats disappointing to say the least. I hope that means that people just skimmed the diatribe and it didnt register. Log in to Reply glam_queen April 6, 2011 Comment #45,52,and 55 :beer: LOVE everything you guys said. Log in to Reply sassysdreams April 6, 2011 [quote=jlafferty23]I don’t give a rats ass who this storyline insults or pisses off. JaSam wanted a baby LONG BEFORE Jake was ever born.. It’s time for Sam to have her baby. Period.[/quote] I agree! :beer: Log in to Reply mr.sam mccall1 April 6, 2011 [quote=baysidenan]If the solution for grieving for your child (after what…a week or so); is to turn around and have a child (let alone sleep with); the child endangering hag that wanted your child dead in the first place; this must be GH…totally revolting . Rushed,badly written ,agenda driven crap. Guess they figured the only way to make this proven failed coupling work(1.7) is to fire Becky Herbst and kill off Jake’s character…ummmm…good luck with that. Many,many of us know the show’s history(writers…you should try this approach) and know the Jason character much better than it seems the writers do. Jason Morgan would have never breathed the same air as that person again, let alone be in a relationship with her again. This is agenda driven nonsense at it’s finest. Any other couple that had failed this miserably would have been yanked a long time ago…what does this tell you? The higher up(s) responsible for this disaster should have been let go a long time ago and should not have been allowed to decimate this character or this show any further. The Jason/Liz pairing has won tons of polls and the super couple smackdown…what does that say coupled with the horrendous ratings EVERYTIME a certain couple is promoed? Not a good way to run a business with blatent bias and favortism for certain actors(actresses)..even when they are so painfully lacking in chemistry together…very apparent. Maybe this time when the ratings tank with this ridiculous, disgusting storyline; you will Try listening to your fans for once and start fresh and hire all new “higher ups” (writers included); and maybe this show won’t get cancelled.[/quote] ________________________________________________________ I don’t know why but again post like these I gotta LMAO at cause one it’s soooo filled with un proves baseless statements is crazy. OK OK OK first how is it proven that this JASAM couple has failed you give men JUST ONE proof of fact then I’ll stop. You wanna bring in ratings DO YOU KNOW THAT RATINGS DROPPED FOR JIZ ALSO. Do you kinow that ratings for that couple didn’t sky rocket. You talk about s/l’s and bash over him being with Sam. GUESS WHAT THEY HAD HER LIKE THAT FOR JIZ. You complain about him going back to ger well SHE WAS MADE THAT WAY FOR THE COUPLE YOU WANTED. Also whats with SOME not all Liason fans using BROAD ASS STATEMENTS. Like “WE” “EVERYBODY” I will say yall have a big fan base but so does JaSam. The fact that JaSam/SAM and KeMo fans come here proves that fact. And Guess what those polls JASAM WON THOSE 2 B4 LIASON AND AFTER LIASON. And WTF is a super couple smackdown that ppl didn’t know about. AND I SWEAR TO GOD IF I HEAR SOMEBODY SAY HE FAVORS KELLY/SAM IMMA SNAP.Get this if he was a fan of her’s like any other fan of her WTF DID THE SOS HAPPEN. WHY DID THE S/L AFTER THE SOS HAPPEN. ASK ANY SAM FAN THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN. If he was a fan of her Kelly would get s/l’s about her character and family and situations. Were still waiting on who Sam’s dad is. And please stop with the suppose hidden digs on her she hands down is one of this shows best actress. She gets work off of GH when being a soap actress is in hollywood bash upon. Chem is in the eye of the beholder and all but thaty women has chem with any man or women. And last why does this NEVER get a anwser when ppl talk about ratings and blame JaSam for it. ABC is about making money if Liason was the $$$$ graber WHO WOULD GIVE A FLYING F about a FAKE COUPLE. Im not knocking Liason but truth be told if they were sooo amazing so much money getting they would have been together. Def after they trash on LuSam for them in the first place. Im only a BM major and I know that money trumps all so STOP with that excuse. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 6, 2011 I guess I still dont believe that was the big reason. Watching those interviews, it seemed to me that guza was downright PROUD of this horribly written story. I think HE wrote it because a. he had the template for it b. he loves to rewrite good stories because he is so arrogant that he believes he will do it better and c. he thought this was just as good if not better than the bj story. That he can then roll into a viable liz/lucky/siobhan triangle (and lets face it absent the grief pulling them together liz/lucky post niz was not viable) and a long wanted JaSam baby story is just bonus, esp. since I think while the JaSam fans think this baby story is all about the fans of this couple being given what they want, I think GUZA thinks this is a great set up for franco coming in November. Do the math – pregnant in april, may, june, july, august, sept, oct, nov. ..eight months is soap time is just about right. In my heart of hearts, I really think Guza is rushing this because of the franco factor. Two more kids – baby jaSam and joss – in danger for yet another sweeps. Thats a guza wet dream…kids in peril and franco…at the SAME time….I’m telling you thats what my gut tells me this is about, not about whether one pairing or another is happy Log in to Reply cokeyloveshersoaps April 6, 2011 DISGUSTING,PATHETIC AND PITIFUL that is what GH and this s/l is. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now April 6, 2011 [quote=Luke]A thread that once again reinforces why I hate anything and everything having to do with Guza and St. Jasus. The most undeserving character for a fanbase war.[/quote] I’m Team Luke, Post #50 in this thread, lol. I’m over the bullshit. I’m sorry. I have my faves (Liz and yesteryear Liason), and others have theirs. We don’t all have to agree, that’s what makes the world go round, having different views and NOT looking through the same eyes as others. And lets just face it, some folks are not going to change the minds of others. But IMHO, Jason isn’t worthy of anyone but himself at this point. I stopped caring about his character long time ago, though I am a Steve Burton fan. Never understood why it was so easy for the women on this show to be without mens, but mens without women is like a General no-no. Hmm. That’s something to chew on. I’m sure if Patrick had been out of town for a few months, Robin would know how to keep her titays in her brazier – her bout with postpartum aside. And it’s always some woman losing her shyte over a man, but if a man does it, he’s proving his lurve. Gag. Next –> Log in to Reply cokeyloveshersoaps April 6, 2011 ICAM with Luke i have hated Jaborg for a long while now he’s a loser. Log in to Reply baysidenan April 6, 2011 ummm first off, my opinion, entitled to it. Sexico in Mexico…ummm…believe that was a 1.7…look it up, there’s your one fact. You try to say they “made” Sam like that for “Jiz”…umm,nope once again…Sam came on as a con and had scammed what, 5 men out of money…not to mention using her unborn baby as leverage threatening an abortion if she didn’t get her way with Sonny…Jiz didn’t “make “her anything; she came on as a trashy character from DAY ONE… When I speak; I believe I spoke as in “the majority of fans” going by the ratings…if you check each and every time Jason and Sam have been promoed in the last couple of years; the ratings have been among the lowest there are…what do you get from that? It’s not rocket science. When Liason were on the writing was just as shitty as it was now and they still mananged to pull higher ratings . Facts are facts no matter how you try to twist it. Many fans knew about the super couple smackdown; it was advertised relentlessly for weeks on line and in soap magazines….too bad Jasam didn’t make it out of the first round…Liason won against all the couples on GH AND all the other soap couples involved in the contest….check your facts. The rumor is when they trashed your beloved “Kelly” she was playing hardball and threatening to leave the show; and in true GH fashion; the higher ups started her ruination…just like they have done many,many time before and after , ie. Liz the last year). It had nothing to do with pimping “Jiz” as you call them…it was all on your girl’s shoulders. I guess when they put a casting call out to replace her as “Sam” she ran back with her tail between her legs…again; nothing to do with “Jiz”. Your opinion she is “one of the best actresses” on the show; not so much for me with the arm flailing and eye rolls…it’s too bad she has to try to be noticed by dressing in her peep show apparel, and not by her acting ability. Funny, Seems she was no where in sight the last couple of weeks when most of the cast was getting rave reviews for their acting(including Rebecca Herbst) even though the storyline was obvious, agenda driven crap.)(MY opinion, of course…entitled to it, remember?)… Lastly, I guess money trumps all unless you are in a position of power and have a “special place” in your heart(or somewhere) for certain actors or actresses who have shown again and again MOST(LOOK I SAID MOST) of the fans are not interested in seeing front and center, ie again referring to ratings when promoed.Obviously, with mostly Sonny,Carly,Michael,Jason and Sam front and center TOO OFTEN, the show is NOT working. Let’s just agree to disagree; you are entitled as am I…hope I answered all your questions to your liking. thanks, have a nice day/nancy Log in to Reply strawberrygurl22 April 6, 2011 The only good thing about Jake’s hit&run is the Jason hate! The Jason that I love died in October 2002 and he never came back. I’m happy more people are seeing him for the pieces of shit that he has became since Guza&Frons took over. Log in to Reply Miry April 6, 2011 EET: You can’t get mad when ppl call them Jashame/JaLame when you call the other Jiz (which is really eww!, hehe, thanks for the visual!). Also, please don’t jump on here being so general. That was ONE person’s comment, & I knew when I read it you’d be on here saying ‘why do Jiz fans have to be like that!’ (to me that’s like saying ‘why do Muslims have to be terrorists’ That is a SWEEPING generalization and totally unfounded/incorrect. SOME ppl yes, but not all). Yes, that person shouldn’t have gone there talking about the actress (& I had really hoped that it was a typo & that said person meant to type KEMO! I too didn’t like the comment AT ALL!!), but you should spend your time addressing THAT PERSON. I am not trying to be mean by calling you out, but I find that you like to tell ppl that they shouldn’t generalize, but you seem to do it yourself. That is also hypocritical. Also, I think this is one of those rare posts/threads where it is definitely not a stand-alone Jasam or Liason or Sam/Jason/Liz thread. This story is soo intertwined that one cannot possibly hope that just Jasamers or just Liasonites (is that what ya’ll are called?, lol) should come to comment. When the question is: Should this couple have a baby to replace/get over the loss of another couple’s baby, then BOTH couple’s people should be “allowed”, for lack of a better word, to comment. Bottom line: People like who they like & they don’t like who they don’t. I find that Sam, Liz, & Carly have ALL done some really terrible things and depending on who you are a fan of, you will make excuses for them to justify why you continue to like them OR not. That’s why I think its funny that people say (not just you, EET): ‘oh Liz is an easybake oven’, when Sam has slept with plenty of men as well & if she had just been more fertile, then she would also be considered an easy bake. Liz never slept with 2 men in one night with n’er a shower between is all I’m saying. But then again Sam never slept with her fiance’s brother! the night she got engaged AND her son was in the hospital!! Then you have ppl who make excuses for Carly & her TERRIBLE behavior, but Liz is HORRIBLE b/c she lied to Lucky about being a father AND she slept with his brother for weeks in a total slut move (I agree with this assessment)… sounds a lot like Carly & AJ & Jason to me or Carly & Sonny & what they did to Jason. Or you have ‘I cannot believe that slut Sam slept with her mother’s husband’ yet those same ppl ADORE Carly & last I checked, she did the same thing to Bobbie but more hardcore b/c she planned it for months. As an aside/Just for my curiosity: How come when Sam’s character was “assassinated” b/c KEMO was standing up for women’s rights everywhere, SamFF basically wash away all of that by saying it was out of character, it was when TPTB were trying to ruin her character & undermine KEMO, etc. but when LizFF say that Liz doing her brother in law (whom she’s loved like a BROTHER! for years, gross) is totally out of character & something that she would never do, Liz haters say that that’s not true, that she WOULD do that… but don’t even entertain the idea that maybe TPTB were obviously** trying to dampen down the character’s likeability over the past year b/c they were planning on writing her off the show (just like they supposedly did with KEMO, gasp!). I mean if its in Liz’s MO to be a cold, calculating, selfish slut (which normally on a soap I would think they would have given me a monologue saying something to that effect) who would sleep with Lucky’s BROTHER/best friend & try to kill ppl to get what they want, etc. then why can’t it ALSO be Sam’s MO to be a cold, calculating, selfish CON-ARTIST who would have 5 husbands that she screwed over for money or that after finally getting what she wanted (a loving relationship with Jason) & not having a child that she could share with him, she would want to stop him from being able to move on with Liz & their baby by doing whatever was necessary to prevent it (watch Jake get kidnapped, Armed men in parks, etc.), I mean, something tells me that con-artists don’t like to lose. I mean howcome Sam’s misdeeds be seen as a breakdown but Liz’s can’t? I really would like to know b/c that has always been my contention with these FanWars. These characters that you love basically do the SAME THINGS that the characters that you don’t love do. It really makes no sense when people try to argue how their character is so much better. But as I said before, it is all relative. You like who you like & people can’t change that. Unless Guza is involved, then you just end up hating everybody. (which is where I am at, lol). [**I say obviously, b/c usually when writers want to remove a character they try to make the audience hate said character... AND they DID indeed FIRE! RH, & were utterly shocked that the fan reaction was so strong]. Disclaimer: Please don’t get it twisted, b/c people ALWAYS do when they are trying to dismiss what you are saying b/c they think you don’t like so-&-so: I love me some KEMO! I absolutely FLOVED her as Livvie on Port Charles & I always wanted her to win against that drip Alison. I was really excited when I read about her GH pick up. Log in to Reply mr.sam mccall1 April 6, 2011 [quote=baysidenan]ummm first off, my opinion, entitled to it. Sexico in Mexico…ummm…believe that was a 1.7…look it up, there’s your one fact. You try to say they “made” Sam like that for “Jiz”…umm,nope once again…Sam came on as a con and had scammed what, 5 men out of money…not to mention using her unborn baby as leverage threatening an abortion if she didn’t get her way with Sonny…Jiz didn’t “make “her anything; she came on as a trashy character from DAY ONE… When I speak; I believe I spoke as in “the majority of fans” going by the ratings…if you check each and every time Jason and Sam have been promoed in the last couple of years; the ratings have been among the lowest there are…what do you get from that? It’s not rocket science. When Liason were on the writing was just as shitty as it was now and they still mananged to pull higher ratings . Facts are facts no matter how you try to twist it. Many fans knew about the super couple smackdown; it was advertised relentlessly for weeks on line and in soap magazines….too bad Jasam didn’t make it out of the first round…Liason won against all the couples on GH AND all the other soap couples involved in the contest….check your facts. The rumor is when they trashed your beloved “Kelly” she was playing hardball and threatening to leave the show; and in true GH fashion; the higher ups started her ruination…just like they have done many,many time before and after , ie. Liz the last year). It had nothing to do with pimping “Jiz” as you call them…it was all on your girl’s shoulders. I guess when they put a casting call out to replace her as “Sam” she ran back with her tail between her legs…again; nothing to do with “Jiz”. Your opinion she is “one of the best actresses” on the show; not so much for me with the arm flailing and eye rolls…it’s too bad she has to try to be noticed by dressing in her peep show apparel, and not by her acting ability. Funny, Seems she was no where in sight the last couple of weeks when most of the cast was getting rave reviews for their acting(including Rebecca Herbst) even though the storyline was obvious, agenda driven crap.)(MY opinion, of course…entitled to it, remember?)… Lastly, I guess money trumps all unless you are in a position of power and have a “special place” in your heart(or somewhere) for certain actors or actresses who have shown again and again MOST(LOOK I SAID MOST) of the fans are not interested in seeing front and center, ie again referring to ratings when promoed.Obviously, with mostly Sonny,Carly,Michael,Jason and Sam front and center TOO OFTEN, the show is NOT working. Let’s just agree to disagree; you are entitled as am I…hope I answered all your questions to your liking. thanks, have a nice day/nancy[/quote] _______________________________________________________________ Again I gotta LMAO cause you speak of ratings in which I talked about cause you said they failed and went on this rant of more BS. Polls JaSam won those to. Super couple smackdown WTF was that another “POLL”. JaSam did a 1.7 back in what 09 and you said other time NOOOO. cuase thats the ONLY won yall talk about cause other times they did 2.1. That was the SAME rating as was Liason. The funny thin is your taking claim for higher ratings when Jason and Liz time together GH didn’t sky rocket GH rating went down but you don’t say anything about that. NOT ONE COUPLE controles the ratings but you say Liason pretty much did. If so why aren’t they together. You and the other JIZZERS LIKE TO PLACE BLAME ON FRONS. But he allowed them to happen in the first place. Also you brought up things she done ok but how the hell does that equal watching a kid get taken CAUSE IT DOESN’T. OH Sam was a con woman when she came to PC true how the hell does that mean I can watch a child get taken. What she did to help kids like michael,khristina and Morgan proves other wise. And the rest of the stupid stuff you said was well stupid. Sam didn’t got after Sonny with I’ll get a abortion WTF. Now your BS sad bitter comments on Kelly. AGAIN GOTTA LMFAO at the sad(yes) things you spew. You made a comment saying it’s my POV yeah yeah yeah. But everything you sad was filled with bitter and hate. OK she’s not on much in this s/l cause she has no major view on this. Shes a support for Jason. Im not going to get into the back and forth you wanted to bring in BH. Im not going there I don’t have to insult or belittle her to prove my point about KeMo. If she’s so untalented and uses her looks emmy nom 2. Roles outside of GH. And you talk about when they pput out a casting call she ran back. DO YOU WORK FOR GH F NO WHERE YOU THERE WHEN IT HAPPEN F NO. JIZZERS LIKE YOU ARE SOOOO SAD. You weren’t there have no idea what happened but you speak as if you do YOU DON’T. And you brought up peepshow cause she wore ONE outfit from HER vegas show. Why whats wrong with that. Are you one off those ppl who will have a double standar about oh we want love in the afternoon but will bash on her for that. AGAIN SAD SAD JIZZER. You say Frons has a place for her PLEASE STOP. Thats another lame excuse yall use she has been on this show for 8 years now. If that was anywhere near true she would have been gone. I swear yall hatin jizzers all sound the same say the same stuff. Done with you again pointless baseless hate on a women who plays the character you don’t like. Log in to Reply Miry April 6, 2011 The post that I wrote (#69) was in regards to EET’s # 45 Post, I see now that she is saying things in more general terms. Apparently, I hadn’t refreshed to see the additional comments. Log in to Reply baysidenan April 6, 2011 I too am done; your post speaks for itself…again, have a nice evening.nancy Log in to Reply Spooks19 April 6, 2011 I don’t have a horse in this Jasam vs. Liason debate b/c I’m not a big fan of either couple b/c I think Jason deserves to be alone w/ his box of pain, but I do think it’s so stupid the way GH is handling Jason’s epiphany about wanting to have a kid just because Jake died in a non-mob related accident. Yes, accidents happen to people outside the mob and you can’t always protect your kids no matter what you do for a living, but being in the mob makes your kids much greater targets. And Michael is Exhibit A of this. Everything that’s happened to him is a result of the mob, Sonny and Jason. He got access to a gun to shoot Kate (& brandon) b/c guns practically grow on trees when you’re around the mob. He was shot in the head b/c he was standing too close to his father who was the target of a mob hit. He was raped b/c Franco wanted to use him to get to Jason. And now he wants to join the mob to get power? If I were Jasam, Michael would scare the crap out of me when if I were thinking about having a kid. Why is GH ignoring all of this? Also, I HATE pregnancy stories on GH. Can’t remember the last one that was any good, and if you’re a fan of the female half of the pairing, pregnancy stories on GH usually suck b/c they’re usually all about the guy. If Jasam have a baby I bet it’s going to be 99% about Jason w/ Sam getting barely any pov. I would much rather see Sam going on an adventure-type story that involved the Cassadines to find out who her father is. Log in to Reply keanna April 6, 2011 I was afraid this was going to happen Liason and Jasam fans at each other, I like both Liz and Sam, but this is tacky, sorry but you don’t just go and have another baby after what a week since Jake passed away sorry. This reinforces the fact that Jake was killed off just so that Jason and Sam can have a baby, looks like the backlash continues. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 6, 2011 Excuse me Miry, but the only thing that I said that even approached a generalization was that everyone was seemingly okay with ecompassions post about Kelly…and what was that based on? That up until my post not one person pointed out that the OP had crossed in to personal territory. But I did call that poster out BY NAME and in every reference I said SOME not most, not all not liz fans not liason fans but SOME Liz fans and I stand by that…this thread serving as proof of the lizocritical nature of some. So I will correct that, everyone that posted after e and before me and everyone that read e’s post and didnt say squat tacitly approved of that type of comment or for the sam fans, didnt feel like getting ganged up on. In the last two-three years I have never once, to the best of recollection, ever heard a jasam fan at dc suggest that certain threads “belonged” to fans of whatever couple was featured, but I have heard certain Liz fans say that.. In all that time, I can think of only one time that anyone EVER complained about sam being called a nickname, yet I have been called out semi-regularly for daring to call St. Elizabeth out for her crimes using that kind of satire. The Sam fans, at least on this board, seem to either be resigned to names they may not like or they get the comedy or they figure its free speech, the nicknames being juvenile, how dare you stuff has historically come for the most part from Liz fans. And when Becky got fired and then rehired if a JaSam fan said LOL when becky got offered her job back she ran back with her tail between her legs – omg the board would have gone nuts. I am not suggesting this thread should be only for jasam fans or that people shouldnt use nicknames, you missed my point entirely. I am saying its hypocritical for some members of one particular fanbase to be aokay with that behavior when it is directed at sam and totally apeshit when the same type of behavior is turned on Liz. And I am going to call you out on this sweeping generalization stuff. I try, and I think I am fairly good about this, to always say SOME or to refer to a small group, or even occasionally many or a number, but I almost always quantify. Moreover I also have on numerous occassions recognized the fanbases as being equivalent in size and have said there are nutjobs in BOTH groups, so on that charge I have to call bs. And yeah, I do think its wrong to go at kelly about her clothing or her vegas show or being on dwts and all the other crap she gets targeted over. Believe me I could due the inuendo route but I chose not to stoop that low. On the acting front, well thats fair game, and I would take kellys “flailing arms” over liz’s snarkabrow, head rolling, lip smacking tude in scenes any day, but the personal comments, esp. the ones that are suppose to insinuate that somehow the vegas show or the way she dresses or whatever makes her slutty I think thats over the top. As for contracts, I did NOT say she was standing up for womens rights everyone, puhlease. I said she was standing up for herself, and yes women should applaud one another when we fight for fair treatment in the work environment. I said the EXACT same thing about Genie – I thought that was shameful and I am glad that she basically told tPTB to go f* themselves by taking the gig on YR. I Flove Finola Hughes. I loved that she came back to gh for robins story…but that was I believe when gh brought her back only because YR wanted her. As much as I want every opportunity to see my all time fave character back on my screen I wish she had told them to go f themselves as well. Do I think Genie and Kelly were Norma Rae – c’mon – but its a struggle that in different ways I think most women understand if not relate to. And no, Kelly didnt tuck her tail, because she GOT her outs. Finally there is the ooc stuff. Yes, I say it was a breakdown because historically sam was shown as someone who instinctually tries to rescue even if rescuing is a foolish move. She is always the one that tries to bring down the counterfeit drug ring or tackle the tmk from behind or take on the five families with jason. No one ever said she wasnt a con. BUT we were shown that her conning came from her time being controlled by her dad and being on the run with her mentally challenged brother. We also were shown over time that being pregnant with Lila and being loved by Jason changed her. Then suddenly she is sleeping with ric, going after jake, drinking like a fish, oh hey lets add five men into her backstory (even though Jason already did a background check on her and certainly it would have popped then or when she was tried for the murder of her mother, but whats a pesky thing like history.) All that stuff happened within like a 3 month time. With Liz, the most ooc thing I saw her do was leaving jake in the hospital and saying that nik was the only guy that sexually satisfied her. both of those things I thought were OOC. But the reason why I dont find the nik stuff OOC is because I thought the niz story and the jiz story were the exact same story. Liz is bored by lucky but she needs him to feel safe, so she commits to him and longs for someone else knowing that someone else is emotionally unavailable/in love with someone else. She inserts herself into the relationship – jason with sam, nik with nadine and then rebecca – as the advisor, suddenly popping up everywhere, and in the meantime going to that guy with her problems and her needs until wham bam thank you maam. Then she gets preggers. Its the EXACT same story, and honestly I dont think most jiz fans see it because they saw chemistry with liz and jason and they see more in the back story but not with nik. Many nonLiz fans see the parallels because we didnt see chemistry either time and we dont read into the back story of a liz and jason that never were, so we are just feeling like we are seeing a retread. Log in to Reply Miry April 6, 2011 @ Spooks, you are on point tonight! I too am one of those ppl who believe that Jason deserves to be alone with his Box o’ Pain, and that guns growing on trees line was the funniest thing I’ve read since Gansters&Hoes! You made an interesting point about pregnancies being all about the guy, as is EVERYTHING on this show. I think that when GH (*snickers*) stops being all about the guys & brings the focus BACK to the women, it will once again become a good show. For that to happen though, we need new PTB. Throw in a woman or 2. Log in to Reply Spooks19 April 6, 2011 [quote=Luke]A thread that once again reinforces why I hate anything and everything having to do with Guza and St. Jasus. The most undeserving character for a fanbase war.[/quote] I love this so much, Luke, I want to marry your post and have it’s babies (I hope that doesn’t weird you out). Guza and Jason hate always warms my heart. And Miry, so much word to your post but especially about GH needing to bring the focus back to the WOMEN and stop making everything about the men. But as long as Guza’s in charge I don’t see it happening which is why Genie Francis knew better than to come back under his reign of terror. And maybe this is why GH seems to really be lacking in heart. Log in to Reply JasamForever April 6, 2011 I was not going to comment except to say that I am glad that Jasam are finally working towards having a baby. As it was mentioned before they have been heading this way for a while on the show. I think storyline wise it would have been better if Sam was pregnant way, way before Jake had to die. But I am not writing the story. I just hope there are not too many winding roads in this storyline. I normally keep a level head in my comments but the post someone made regarding Kelly Monaco and the reference to her being a slut and calling her KEHO really pissed me off. Kelly Monaco is yes a beautiful woman, who has a beautiful body and is not afraid to show it, and also is a talented actress and brings a lot to GH. That comment was not necessary and very demeaning. Whoever you are you need to seperate reality from fiction. GH is a soap opera, and the actresses/actors are paid to act on a soap. I was gracious to say that I did not want Becky Herbst to lose her job at GH, and also was glad that she was no longer unemployed, but here is where I give my two cents. Kelly is a much better actress than Becky Herbst has or will ever be on the show, IMO. Maybe that is why tptb have always favored a Jasam pairing over a Jason/Liz pairing. Let’s face it, if they wanted to do a Jason/Liz pairing, they would have done it years ago as it was 10 years in the making as you fans suggest. They did not have to do Courtney and Jason or even Robin and Jason. But it was not until contract negotiations with Kelly that the pairing was basically full on. That says a lot right there. I personally can’t stand the Liz character. I find her to be written as two-faced, smug, and not a likeable warm person. Say what you will about Sam, but she does not try to hide what she is. Her breastesses, that some people have a problem, with are fully in your face. Liz or Laison don’t run GH. As EET said and sam mccall, there is a huge fanbase for Jasam. Unfortunately on this site the majority is Laison, and it seems that your thoughts are thought to be what run the show and whatever your thoughts are is what should be. Oh no, not the case at all. I know myself and my Jasammers have been waiting for a Jasam wedding as well as a Jasam baby. I am sure when the Jasam wedding does happen it will pull in ratings just as the Sonny/Brenda wedding did, and I personally can’t wait. Log in to Reply sassysdreams April 6, 2011 JasamForever – Well said! :love: :love: Log in to Reply mlp0218 April 6, 2011 Anyone who has watched a soap for more than 5 minutes realizes that most couples are not permanent; they get a full story, reach some measure of happiness, then something happens that drives them apart. Sometimes they get back together & do it all over again, & sometimes they stay apart. And most of the time, even when fans’ favorite couples break up permanently, fans keep watching and become fans of new & different couples as long as the writing is good & makes some sense. I think the reason Jason/Sam & Jason/Liz fans are so irate is that neither couple has gotten their full story. The writing for both couples – & for most of GH’s other stories – is ill-conceived, haphazard, & incomplete. ALL of GH’s once great characters have become one-dimensional thanks to BG & co. The men are chest-thumping neanderthals & the women are either screeching shrews or brainless doormats. And character development continually takes a back seat to stupid plot-driven nonsense. So, let’s all take a deep breath, stop bagging on each other, & get back to the original question: is a baby the solution for Jason’s grief? And if there’s finger-pointing to be done, let’s point our fingers where they belong: at the writers of this unpalatable mess. Log in to Reply Miry April 6, 2011 @EET: You are excused. I said that I saw your other statements and saw that you were being more general. I went back & said that, so as to clarify things b/c I hadn’t seen all your other posts. And yes, I saw that you said “some” but come one now, you know you make these grandiose statements about how JizFF are always this & that and saying this about Sam, etc, etc. Even if you say some, you are usually responding to what ONE, maybe two, people have said, & that is what I meant when I responded to you about your generalizations. I do like how eloquent you type & you have some brilliant ideas when your biases aren’t showing (smile), but hardly a day goes by that you don’t feel the need to defend “your girl” by relating the situation/comment back to Liz or Liason or her/their fans. Neither one of us are new here, so let’s not play games. See where I think I may have gotten off track with you is that when I spoke about generalizations I meant it more along the lines of ‘this thing was said, so you go off in a rant about how SOME JizFF are like this, etc. & where is our (meaning everyone else’s) outrage, instead of just say, talking about that ONE person and leaving it as that. As for the name calling: Its been a long time since I’ve seen someone using “slanderous” names against Sam, save for today. The ones I see as of late are usually about “snarly” or for the first time even I started using “Mykill”. That stuff has kind of gone by the wayside on this site. Gone are the Teethans & Spams, as has your signature “Lizard” with matching picture, but Jiz (gross as it is) has still remained. So, I guess I am saying that I don’t quite understand where this is coming from/why you are bringing this up now. Again, it was the one poster & you being the only one to say something doesn’t necessarily mean that no one had a problem with it, maybe it just means that ppl just decided to ignore that person b/c obviously they are ignorant. I haven’t made a comment about how a certain someone on here is calling ppl out left & right and calling them ‘Jiz losers’ (lol, I am now though, to make a point) where is your outrage at that? Many of those posts have followed yours so I am sure you’ve seen them. I assume that you feel like I do, that all that name calling is ignorant/a waste of time, so I choose to ignore that poster in the future. Yes, I know that you didn’t specifically say that women’s rights thing that I said, but you were certainly implying something to that affect which is why I said what I said as a joke. Come on now, what does “As women (for those of us that are), we should be applauding a fellow female fighting for fairness in the workplace” read like to you? What I said was a play on what you said. Did you not mean for us, as women, to applaud KeMo for what she was doing by playing hardball to get equal to what the men in soaps get (i.e. Women’s Rights!)? I thought that it was funny that you would even say that in a bid (I think) to get ppl who don’t like KeMo to like her, so I made a joke about her working for women’s rights everywhere, lol. BTW: I have NO idea why that got to you so, I have no problem with her or any woman playing hardball to get what they want. One of the worst moves in GH history was letting Genie F go & turning Laura into a crazy b/c of it. She absolutely was instrumental in saving GH & there would be NO LUKE without Laura. OOC Sam stuff: I still don’t understand why you can justify what Sam did but not Liz. You basically said everything in a nutshell about how Sam finally had everything she ever wanted, but then she lost it all. That is usually when ppl start acting out & going back to the way they USED to be (if they were that way before) or becoming a new person entirely. Why wouldn’t the Sam who had ‘Jason change her’ change into something familiar when that relationship ended? That’s why I personally do not think what she did during her “character assassination of ’07″ was OOC for Sam McCall. Also, re: Sam’s history: the writers left that pretty blank, so they can add in basically whatever they want as long as it makes SOME sense. I mean, what do u think Sam was doing all those years as a con regardless of her reasons for it? She sure wasn’t out selling Girl Scout cookies. Jason & Sonny are not fool-proof with their background checks, plenty of ppl have been able to skate on into their lives & it later be revealed that said persons are underhanded/not who they thought they were. Like I said, ppl like who they like & will whitewash whatever to justify said like. (& I am not suggesting that I am above it, I used to do it all the time for Carly until she got too damn smug for even MY whitewashing). OCC Liz stuff: I can see what you are saying the 2 stories do seem very similar, BUT there are some glaring differences, & of course I think that the problem here is again with the writing. I could see Liz & Jason getting together b/c though non-Liason fans hate to admit it they WERE friends for a long time, he helped her after Lucky’s ‘death’, and they had a hint of a romance/relationship on & off for years (Carly didn’t hate Liz straight out of the gate for nothing! She saw their connection so much so that she hate-sexed Sonny b/c of it), but their timing was never right. I cannot agree with the ‘wam-bam’ out of no-where boink b/c again, fans like to overlook what really happened. I do NOT think that Liz would have slept with (or even been able to since Jasam was supposedly this rock of love) if Sam hadn’t have slept with Ric or if Lucky hadn’t slept with Maxie in LL2′s marital bed. THOSE 2 actions really set the stage & Liz went to her friend for comfort. How was she to know that Sam would have slept with her mother’s husband/Jason’s number 1 hated enemy at the time (he has soo many!) and that he too would be vulnerable. Any other time, Liz would have climbed up those stairs & Jason & her would have chatted, & she may have spent the night on the couch & that would have been it. But that was not the case & he pulled her into that kiss & wanted that comfort sex just as much as she did (how come the men are always the innocent, put-upon ppl in our discussions, lol). So, that is how that one went down. Now this Nik thing was COMPLETELY nuts & unbelievable. They have been friends/family for YEARS. YEARS. Never even a kiss (that I can recall) between them or any romantic feelings. Liz has always been about Lucky (except when he came back a different person & didn’t want her anymore), it was Emily & her sister Sarah that completely fell for the Prince. They were the 4 Musketeers! I feel like they have been around each other/a big part of each other’s lives for soo many years that a hint of real romantic feelings should have shown itself at SOME point (if it did, please point this out to me b/c I REALLY don’t recall). They could have “had” each other many, many times by now (eww, gross). BUT, as far as I can recall, all they ever felt for each other was a deep love of friendship & they seemed like family. I believe that it is OOC for Liz to screw Lucky’s brother. Point blank & end of story. She would not do that. Sure Jason & Lucky used to be friends, but that it NOT the same thing as Lucky’s BROTHER & the love of Em’s life (& yes, I thought the Zander one night stand was also out of character). I also think that it was OOC for Nik to do that to Lucky!! Nik had to work for YEARS to gain the trust & finally brotherly LOVE of Lucky (AND Luke for that matter), and I don’t think he would throw all that away for an affair with the woman that Lucky has loved for YEARS, a love that he has seen upclose & personal for all those years). Heck he worked so hard to make those Spencers a part of his life/family, he even named his son after them! So yes, while the stories seem eerily familiar, chemistry seen or not, they are very different whereas one is organic (they had romance before & the situations allowed) the other is truly contrived (NO way would either party do that to Lucky). Log in to Reply Miry April 6, 2011 Because I never really get into these debates, except when my curiosity gets the better of me, I am sure where I stand is not totally known, so FYI: I want Liz & Lucky to be together. Always have. They are my new generation Luke & Laura, a true supercouple. (Now LUCKY was the character that suffered the MOST character assassination for YEARS!!!!!!!! Man, when GV was in the role I swear that TPTB actively HATED him & by extension the character he played, lol). So everything that I said wasn’t b/c I am a Liason fan, I really could care less except that I want Liz with Lucky so she of course she cannot be with Jason. But I DO think that Jasam are boring (they are like the same person, she is a doormat/yes man, & she has no real life when she is with him & he never puts her first. With every one else that he has been with he has always at one point or another put THEM first. He does not do so with Sam. I find that disturbing). I haven’t liked Jason in a long, LONG time & I think that he deserves to be alone, but my all-time coupling for him has been with Robin. I was totally a J&R fangurrrl & if they ever wanted to go that route again, I think that I could maybe be persuaded to give Jason another chance (but that’s only b/c I know he would actually leave the mob for HER! lol). So, as things are now, if I had to chose between Liason (‘stranger, danger’ *eyeroll*) or Jasam (boring! I mean, what do they even do?), I guess I’d chose Liason b/c at least there is some chemistry & conflict (used to be “good” girl/bad boy, etc). BUT I’d prefer him to be alone (…for a few years, then J&R! Just thought I’d throw that in one more time, haha). Log in to Reply Spooks19 April 6, 2011 Miry, I loved J&R back in the day too but I wouldn’t ever want them back together b/c I think the Jason that was in J&R is long gone and current day Jason sucks the soul and personality out of every woman he’s with. Which is why I want Jason to be alone. Or he needs to just hook up with Carly since those two always put each other before anyone else in their lives anyhow and they can be contained to each other. And then Sam can be freed to hook up with someone like Johnny, or GV brought back as another character. Also, going back to my point about how GH pregnancies are all about the man, why is this promo all about Jason getting a baby to ease his pain? Why can’t it be at least a little about Sam getting the baby she’s always wanted when she had lost all hope of ever having a child? Since I actually like Sam, I’d like her pregnancy to be at least a little about her. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 6, 2011 I’m just going to say these two things and leave it at that… Yes, I do think we should applaud Kelly and you making light of that doesnt change how I feel.. I’ve been through that situation…watching others get ahead by gender, being criticized for fighting for the same things men were getting without even asking – and without doing the work. No, it doesnt make her norma rae, but I DO admire KELLY for that. And you know what, I cheered when genie said on Oprah that she was done playing victim and I cheered when I read her last interview with EW. I floved that Sarah brown signed one year contracts as she told us at GHFCW to make sure that if Guza didnt write what he promised she wasnt roped in. GOOD FOR HER!! Moreover, since you went there, I think its BEYOND foolish that Rebecca has made herself a lifer, that the loss of GH caused her to collapse on the set because she basically allowed ABC to own her ass. Having outs when the INDUSTRY is dying on the vine is smart business. If I were Rebecca Herbst I would be designing my own lip gloss and selling my dress line to Macys, I wouldnt be at the mercy of two assholes – which is what guza and frons appear to be, esp. if she truly believed that historically they didnt like her or have an interest in liz… I hope this firing/rehiring jump starts her. She has glorious skin, sell skin care…i’d be first in line. Theres a reason why Susan Lucci is living in a mansion in NY – she has a skin care line and malibu pilates and a new book, and I am sure when ABC tried to roll her on contracts she fought – not her fans, not her agent, not some team – but her. I admire that kind of grit. I admire Kelly for fighting for her worth. I admire that she put herself out there for DWTS not knowing how her hearing/balance/ears issues would effect her. I admire her for taking on something as big as a Las Vegas show. I respect that years after she did DWTS season one, the producers still had enough interest/respect/fondness for her that they wanted her for this project with mel b. As for my grandiose statements, there are about 15 regular LizFF posters and about two dozen more semi regulars just at dc.. The same cast of about 5 regulars can be counted on to say something veiled or overt about sam and/or kelly on any given day whether she zigs or zags. SOME…lets start there…and then there are the cheer leaders….the group that weigh in when they are given the red meat. Thats fine, I am a big girl, but this whole ooh the big bad nicknamers saying something ookie about poor wittle liz and ooh they gave each other beer mug emoticons thing is what gets me. I could care less if you called Sam a nickname. SAM is a fictional character. I can bitch and moan about how that fictional character gets written and I can discuss the writing of that fictional character, but you or anyone else calling sam Sham or slam or whatever doesnt matter to me. I am not wild about w&ore or s*ank because theres a meanness to that that I think really goes to the idea that the character is female and I dont think its particularily interesting, creative or funny but hey to each his own. I LMAO at Scubaskank (even though the last part was the word I just said I didnt so much like the scuba part made me think of big daddy and scuba steve.) Again, fiction. I did NOT like using the b word about liz’s kids and said so. What irritates me is the Lizocritical nature of saying ohhh dont call Liz lizard but ha ha ha JaSham, this is our thread you are bullying baiting etc. posting HERE kind of double standard and what I dont like is KeHo, Chemo, ooh she did DWTS, she must be doing lap dances for frons stuff whether said again overtly or suggestively.That has been my position since day one. If I thought the freedom of speech environment that seems to exist for some characters extended to all characters I would be fine with that. If the same people that try to police Sam fans policed EVERYONE with the same standards, again cool with that. Double standards, not so much. Log in to Reply diallo41 April 6, 2011 [quote=Perkie]Disclaimer: There is far more story in Jasam having a baby, while Jason`s other son lives across town. Especially once Jake would have been SORASed and behaving like a teenager. [/quote] Disclaimer: I was/am still a Liasion fan just so there is no confusion (and before you charge yes I know that ship has sailed and for all intensive purposes sunk). Also it is worth stating, for the record I am NOT a Sam hater. I don’t care for JaSam2.0 but I did like JaSam 1.0 That said I agree wholeheartedly with Perkie, a JaSam baby with Jake on the other side of town would have been way way more interesting. Also Ravennites idea of making Jake grow with AJ bitterness towards his half brother. Log in to Reply emsnana April 6, 2011 Oh My !! If they give Jason a baby …. Michael, The little killer wannbe will no longer be Jason’s only child. Oh wait a minute he was still Jason’s one concern when Jake was alive so I guess nothing will change Log in to Reply diallo41 April 6, 2011 [quote=jlafferty23]It’s funny, most Liason fans say Jason is a deadbeat dad, that just gave his sperm to Liz, and Lucky was his real father because Jason abandoned Jake and Liz. But when JaSam want to have a baby, all of sudden Jason was Jake’s father, and people are rioting.[/quote] Hmmm…there is a tendency to lump ALL liason fans together as if WE all speak with one voice. Put simply, WE don’t and you are unlikely to EVER have consistency in what WE think. For example: I think liz and Jason belong together, I never considered Lucky Jake’s dad. I also think Jason is a villan and a Jacka$$ who should have claimed his child and Liz and I am throughly disgusted with his character for not doing it. I also did not want him to give up his lifestyle because his whole attraction was the mismatch/danger. That said, being in the mob with a child is hardly the way to go que Sonny music so I understood that things could have gone south quickly. I would be hard pressed to try and reconcile all those opinions into one coherent bundle and explain it to you. [quote=jlafferty23]Pick one for Gosh sakes, either he was a father or he wasn’t.[/quote] I think it is safe to say he was both Log in to Reply Perkie April 6, 2011 I think Sam should have the baby she wants, but not with Jason. Jason shouldn’t be allowed to procreate until her quits killing people for a living and understands the definition of priority. And no, Jason was not JAke’s father anymore than men who donate at sperm banks. He provided the DNA that created the child, that’s it. Log in to Reply diallo41 April 6, 2011 [quote=Spooks19]GH pregnancies are all about the man, why is this promo all about Jason getting a baby to ease his pain? Why can’t it be at least a little about Sam getting the baby she’s always wanted when she had lost all hope of ever having a child? [/quote] That would happen only if you were writing the story. GH is all about men! The women are simply there to direct traffic to the men. Carly to Sonny, Carly to Jax, Carly to Jason, Alexis to Sonny…. it never ends. Log in to Reply from NC April 6, 2011 I agree with Perkie that Jason has been little more than a sperm bank to Jake. The problem lies then in making Jakes death the catalyst for Jason’s now emotional meltdown and desire for another baby. You cannot have it both ways writers.. You cannot have him be so distraught about the son he loved so much while at the same time use his sperm bank status as an excuse for why he should feel free enough to go on and have another child….he loves kids…but he’s a sperm bank…he fears for their safety….but now he can make them safe. I blame the writing. Note to writers: Just ’cause you write it does not make it okay,inbounds, plausable, or otherwise acceptable. Your viewers are much more savy then that…. I do not care if Jasam have a baby. I do care that the story was handled so poorly and with such an obvious push to make the storyline fly with viewers. I also care that it came at the expense of the characters ligitmacy and viewer respect. For the most part this s/l has failed miserably and that should matter to even those who are Jasam fans.(Damage control is being discussed throughout the internet…as others have mentioned, articles written, medical community chastised ABC for poor and misleading facts concerning the transplant story and MADD has called out ABC for the way they handled the Luke storyline and are requesting that ABC do a PSA on DD to try and make a menz for the bad message they feel the story sent…I think the word used was “Irresponsible” ) It is true that Jasam have discussed having a baby for a longtime…(which flew in the face of all that came before…but that’s a history lesson for another time) They should have waited a while and then had them decide…treated the subject matter with respect. The current storyline has not sat well/ disgusted so many viewers that it did an even greater disservice to the characters…again I blame the writers / s/l. The full and lasting impact will only be seen / known once the ratings bloat from the one-time car wreck watchers has moved on. No one can honestly say either way what will happen….but I would be surprised to see a continued ratings jump given the nature of the dissatisfaction not only with this storyline but with the quality of the show as a whole by so many. P.S. I agree with all that has been written concerning calling characters and even worse, the actors themselves, horrible names …it is extremely low class (IMO) and does nothing to raise the quality of the debate. Log in to Reply GHFan777 April 6, 2011 NC…as usual I applaud your post. Just EXCELLENT. You are a very gifted writer without a doubt….but you also manage to post clear concise ideas, that are without bias and prejudice. You state facts, and back them up with information. I can’t tell you how much I enjoy reading your posts, because I know you do not have an agenda…I know you are just stating things the way they are. I agree with everything you said…except… NOW I do care if Jasam have a baby…I never used to…and yes I am a Liason fan…but I also like Sam. I know how much she actually wants a baby, so I feel for her, and would like to see her finally get her dream….but as Perkie has pointed out.. NOT with Jason. He still does not have any business being a father, with how he lives his life. He needs to make changes in his life like leaving the organization, and possibly working as a PI or running a legitimate business…before having a child. Just because Jake died from a horrible accident, still does not change the fact that Sonny and Jason’s organization is dangerous for any of their women and children. Also the rush rush into a Jasam baby.. just two weeks after Jake dying, is in very poor taste. Disgusting. The fact they didn’t even show the memmorial, just had a few characters mention the service was disgusting also. Log in to Reply maxsmom April 6, 2011 @Miry Great posts! Log in to Reply ange-i-am April 6, 2011 [quote=ahanshew]I could care less if Sam has a baby. I could care less if Sam has Jason’s baby. I CARE that the writer’s killed off Jake so Jasam could have a baby. Jason’s already admitted he made a mistake letting Jake go(when he said he only held Jake 8 times, it broke my heart). So now Jason’s changed his mind and it’s ok? Pfffft!!! Yeah, I’d say Frons has made his point. Oh, and seriously, some of you are acting worse than my 3 year old.[/quote] Yes. And I agree with Perkie that there would have been more story to keep Jake alive and having the rivalry stuff then to kill him off. And EET, I’m a Liason fan (was? not sure I care much at all now, I’m a Liz fan who isn’t seeing any Liz so far this week so nothing to watch) and I honestly just avoid and don’t post when this stuff happens. It’s just not worth it. So, that’s where we are. Not engaging. Log in to Reply Miry April 6, 2011 @ EET: What are you even talking about when you said that I “went there”? Where exactly did I go? Basically, you just wanted to say something bad about Rebecca and you wanted to make me a scapegoat in order for you to finally have the balls to say that you think she was pathetic b/c she cried at losing her job & apparently didn’t fight like your beloved KeMo (that is not exactly what you said, but that IS the jest of it). Most people who find out they are not wanted (by being fired) do not try to fight to stay on. Did Walt W. (Jackson, AMC) do that? No, he said the fans did that. Ususally that’s how the story goes AND I am pretty sure that KeMo’s fans saved her ass as well when they heard about the casting call. GH decided that they would concede to her demands to keep a popular actress on the show, but how did they know she was popular if no one let TPTB know that/came to her aid. Becky: How do you know what she has baking in the oven? Isn’t she doing that Monavie ponzi scam with the rest of them? While, I agree with you that she should DEFINITELY be putting herself out there more since apparently she has a shyt-ton of fans, I think that comparing RH to Susan muthaeffin’ Lucci is a bit much even for you. I mean come the hell on. Susan?! Who, let me just remind you, DID indeed TAKE that paycut like the rest of them. Maybe she went home & also cried about it, knowing that ppl were trying to force her out of something that she put basically her whole life into (kind of like RH), we don’t know, but I definitely wouldn’t fault her for that. Additionally, all those things that you admire KeMo for she was allowed to do b/c those opportunities came her way. Maybe, just maybe, RH isn’t shying away/not putting herself out there BUT that she was perhaps NOT given those same opportunities. Or maybe we say that RH was given those opportunities, but she wasn’t comfortable in putting herself out there like that or that she didn’t want to rock the boat b/c she has a family that she has to think of and KeMo doesn’t. These choices don’t make one person better than the other. Also, I find it very telling that you automatically went to Rebecca as a comparison for what you FELT was some sort of attack on KeMo. You should really get that checked out, b/c I don’t even think that you realize you do it anymore. Let me help clarify things for you: ONE PERSON/actress has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER. I said nothing about Rebecca when I made light of the Women’s Rights thing (which, again, don’t know why you took it so badly, it really was meant to be a joke, it wasn’t even negative), so why would you? Why would you feel the need to automatically try to compare the two to somehow (once AGAIN) show your favoritism for KeMo in that she is the better business woman b/c she apparently let GH know who was boss. Further more, since YOU went there, just b/c someone said something that you don’t like about KeMo, doesn’t mean that you automatically have carte blanche to say negative stuff about Rebecca H. The two are not mutually exclusive, & with me, since I could really care less, you are basically just wasting your time (as apparently am I) b/c I like BOTH actresses (in your face!). So, in two words: Good grief. Name calling: Apparently, you still don’t understand that I don’t understand what the point of you bringing that up was. Maybe I don’t see every post that you do (but I almost read them all in like every thread), so this name calling stuff seems out of left field for me b/c I haven’t seen it really happen (save for yesterday) in like a YEAR. All the names that you were talking about I don’t see them anymore on the regular like we used to (so maybe ppl have learned/grown, lol, except for the few ppl here & there that apparently don’t know that times have changed here), but I DO still see Jiz every day (where’s the complaint about that one?). I don’t call Sam names, so lets not even hint at that, the only nickname I use is that I call Michael ‘MyKill’ b/c he is bloodthirsty & currently getting on my damn nerves, but I don’t see anyone complaining about that, so that’s why I will probably continue. It is when I see someone complain or say that they don’t like the name calling, that I think that ppl should stop… NOT b/c I think that it is mean, b/c I don’t really see how ppl can be mean about a fictional character. I mean whose feelings are you really hurting? (I don’t think Michael C is going to come out of the screen & tell me to stop, though if he did believe me I would b/c dude is crazy). I AGREE with you that ppl should be equal in what they say regardless of who it is directed at (i.e. double standards are definitely not what’s up), BUT do you really not see how you have those SAME double standards (whether you are trying to make a point or not… though I don’t see what point saying “Lizocritical” is trying to make, other than to get ppl riled up) when it comes to the people that you don’t like or do? I think that the double standard is across the board, for ALL fanbases, b/c ppl like who they like & so they don’t think that its a ‘big deal’ when someone says something about the ones they don’t. Log in to Reply DOOLJunkie April 6, 2011 And this is why soaps are dying. Fanbases can’t get over the pettyness of having THEIR couple ALL the time. And it always comes at the expense of the show. Becky AND Tyler were fired. They killed Jake and there’s no taking it back. These are the facts. You can say you know why all of these things happened but that’s based in opinion, NOT fact. Soaps aren’t about “Supercouples” and one couple doesn’t make or break one. I don’t care what anyone says. Otherwise they would ALL fall apart when an immensely popular couple breaks up, or is kept apart for years or even a decade, which doesn’t happen. Sure, trying to “replace” a dead kid with a new is stupid. But they didn’t just suddenly start talking about having a kid after he died. Soaps do storylines involving kids. We hate them but it’s just something we have to deal with. The show has to move forward. After all, if they did nothing but show everyone grieving Jake for months, you’d just complain about that. That’s soap fans for you. Never satisfied. This is WHY you don’t those couple you love. You accept NO substitutions or outside interference and the writers can’t do a thing with them. John and Marlena are the perfect example. Log in to Reply from NC April 7, 2011 [quote=GHFan777]NC…as usual I applaud your post. Just EXCELLENT. You are a very gifted writer without a doubt….but you also manage to post clear concise ideas, that are without bias and prejudice. You state facts, and back them up with information. I can’t tell you how much I enjoy reading your posts, because I know you do not have an agenda…I know you are just stating things the way they are. I agree with everything you said…except… NOW I do care if Jasam have a baby…I never used to…and yes I am a Liason fan…but I also like Sam. I know how much she actually wants a baby, so I feel for her, and would like to see her finally get her dream….but as Perkie has pointed out.. NOT with Jason. He still does not have any business being a father, with how he lives his life. He needs to make changes in his life like leaving the organization, and possibly working as a PI or running a legitimate business…before having a child. Just because Jake died from a horrible accident, still does not change the fact that Sonny and Jason’s organization is dangerous for any of their women and children. Also the rush rush into a Jasam baby.. just two weeks after Jake dying, is in very poor taste. Disgusting. The fact they didn’t even show the memmorial, just had a few characters mention the service was disgusting also.[/quote] ****** Thanks GHfan, I always enjoy reading yours as well! I can not honestly say that I do WANT Sam to have a baby (like I said earlier, I really don’t care one way or the other about having the baby itself) but I will go as far as to say that if she did I agree one hundred percent that I would like it to be with someone other then Jason…..for all the reasons you listed and also because I would love to see her in a pairing that was new, romantic and exciting. It occurs to me that maybe one of the reasons she is not more of a favorite of mine (at present I am kind of indifferent toward her) is because she never seems to be in situations where her own personality shows through and shines (JMO). I think that might change for me if the writers were to have her cultivate more female friendships, be more independant again, etc. The one thing you can say for Sam back in the “Dark days” was that she had spirit! ( I may not have liked her actions but you always knew what she stood for and what she did not) Lets hope that the show continues and that the writing gets turned around so we can see some positive things for GH and it’s characters. I for one would love to see a Kristina and Ethan pairing that was given time to progress naturally, with Kristina matured and believable as an actual love interest for Ethan….in short…good storyline/written well. I think they could be a really cute couple, if nothing else ya gotta love his Aussie accent Log in to Reply Perkie April 7, 2011 Miry wrote: Michael C is going to come out of the screen & tell me to stop, though if he did believe me I would b/c dude is crazy I love that you’re more worried about him being crazy, than him coming out of your television!!! And can I also say that I love your posts so much, I’m going to put them in a tree during a blizzard. Log in to Reply GHFan777 April 7, 2011 NC My daughter loves Ethan and Kristina…and once again I love your last post. I feel the same way about Sam. I like her spirit, loyalty and courage ..BUT not a lot of her past actions. She loses her identity with Jason, and becomes a door mat. Most of these past actions I have not liked, were caused by her insecurities where Jason was concerned….Besides all of that…I just don’t see any chemistry between the two actors…. and I also like the good girl/ bad boy contrast in relationships. That is my preference, because I see more angst potential for the couple. Log in to Reply GHFan777 April 7, 2011 Miry I loved your last post also. I don’t go there anymore, I find skipping some posts helps to keep my blood pressure down lol. Log in to Reply Luke April 7, 2011 [quote=Spooks19][quote=Luke]A thread that once again reinforces why I hate anything and everything having to do with Guza and St. Jasus. The most undeserving character for a fanbase war.[/quote] I love this so much, Luke, I want to marry your post and have it’s babies (I hope that doesn’t weird you out). Guza and Jason hate always warms my heart. [/quote] Nah. It doesn’t, lol. Its funny. As a man, you would think one would be attracted to the man-centricness of GH. Yet as someone who grew up watching soaps and from a soap loving family, its truly one of the most assbackwards logic I’ve ever seen. A genre whose majority of viewership is woman and this show completely disregards that in its writing. Not to suggest there has never been a measure of….bad portrayals of women in soaps from jump. But I truly am baffled by GH and ABCD’s logic, why they are so obsessed with their leading men at the expense of strong, female characters. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 7, 2011 Le sigh - Yes, Miry, I am the only one who compares and contrasts the two women. I am the big bad jasammer. sooo evilll… Okay. And there is absolutely no hypocracy in the fact that every character is called names and no one says boo about it EXCEPT when it comes to liz. YAWN. What I will however address is this stuff about the contracts. I want to remind you, since you read every thread, that I said the same thing about sarah brown in the thread discussing anthony geary’s interview in which he called her out. No one suggested I made it sound like she was battling for the rights of women across the globe. I dont think any of the women “show them who’s boss” I think some of the women are less apt to eat the entire shit sandwich that guza serves up to ALL the female members of his cast. I dont believe for a second that Kelly or Laura or nancy or kim get any great respect or appreciation from frons and guza. I do admire Genie and Sarah and Kelly and I should add Kim for fighting for themselves, for their career, and for what they think is right. Others may as well, I just know about those four. And I do think it is/was a mistake for rebecca to have left herself at frons mercy. Thats not some horrible thing said about her – I’ve made that mistake myself (oh my good, what a horrible thing to say about myself, since obviously saying someone made a mistake is a really terrible thing GASP – exactly my point, you cant even say something as benign as that about becky without getting accused, but Keho is fine, again LE SIGH…GMAB). You cant have it both ways and say oh everyone KNOWS (as if its fact) that frons doesnt like becky specifically, doesnt find her appealing, obviously withholds opportunities from her blah blah blah and then claim she was blind sided. In an respect, she now has had a huge wakeup call and she WOULD be a lousy business woman if she doesnt take that lesson to heart, ESP. given the fact that it is more likely than not that at least one more show will be cancelled in 2011 if not two, there are no new soaps anywhere on the horizon, and the networks appear inclined to go with cheaper programming ie game shows and talkers. To date, yes, I believe that Kelly has been the better business woman (she also probably has an advantage in that NLG has been in the industry for a long time and I think helps to guide kelly since they are close from the sounds of things). Doesnt make Kelly a better person than anyone else, but yes, a better business woman. And no, none of them compare on that front to La Lucci, who did annie get your gone, dwts, wrote a book, started her own skin care line etc. etc. or on the male side, to say CamM. who also did DWTS and is doing work with GMA…branching out in case AMC goes under and there is no room on any of the other shows. I dont think opportunities always just get handed to the actors and actresses that get outside work, I think in most cases they land those opportunities because they hustled for them, or at least took the opportunities that WERE handed to them and made the most out of them. Oh and for the record, saying someone is a better business person does NOT mean you like someone or dont like someone. I dont know any of these people. But I can honestly say I think Joy Behar is a great business person and from what I have seen of her she isnt much a person (actually I am not all that keen on most of the women from The View but most of them have been good businesswomen.) I think paula abdul has been spotty as a business woman – good in some respects, not so great in others. I dont dislike becky (so in YOUR face) I simply think she put herself in a lousy position. Of the three, I think she has been the least successful in creating other opportunities for herself, BUT if I had to spend the day with one of them it would be Becky hands down. Oh but saying that doesnt jive with your eet hates Liz so she must hate becky POV. oh…I feel another le sigh coming on, heaven forbid the truth cloud up the image you are trying to paint. Log in to Reply sassysdreams April 7, 2011 EET :love: :love: Log in to Reply ange-i-am April 7, 2011 EET, I actually think the reason Becky hasn’t “put herself out there” in the way some of the other business women have is because she at the moment has really been focused on being a mother. I *think* of the ones you suggested she is the only one with really young kids at home? As someone who worked and spent LONG hours at the office and when I had a baby did NOT stay at the office late and it really back lashed with my boss (no matter that I was still getting all my work done and doing it well, you have to PROVE you really want it by giving up your life and the job HAS to come first before family if you want the promotion and further opportunities), so I can relate to the position that she is in and that it must be really difficult being the steady working parent. To make the changes that she is going to need to branch out and get that exposure at this point I think she will need to spend a lot more time away from her family. She may decide that it really is time to do that because she doesn’t have a choice, though. As a mom myself, I know that is a really hard decision to make, especially when you still have an infant. Log in to Reply JasamForever April 7, 2011 I agree EET, Becky Herbst need to start looking at other revenue. Soaps are on their last leg and I give them 5 years max. I have to commend some of the other actors who branched out and did other things such as Jonathon Jackson, Steve Burton, Kelly Monaco, Kimberly McCullough, and even Tyler Christopher. With Becky probably being the main breadwinner, why has she not marketed herself more, especially since she has been on GH for a long while? I look at Bryton McClure on YR. They were hardly writing storyline for him although he was on contract. I am a huge Vampire Diaries fan, and was glad that he decided to branch out and explore other opportunities and was recurring on the show. That is until he was killed off. Boohoo. Log in to Reply from NC April 7, 2011 [quote=GHFan777]NC My daughter loves Ethan and Kristina…and once again I love your last post. I feel the same way about Sam. I like her spirit, loyalty and courage ..BUT not a lot of her past actions. She loses her identity with Jason, and becomes a door mat. Most of these past actions I have not liked, were caused by her insecurities where Jason was concerned….Besides all of that…I just don’t see any chemistry between the two actors…. and I also like the good girl/ bad boy contrast in relationships. That is my preference, because I see more angst potential for the couple.[/quote] Gh..LOL This is starting to become the mutual admiration society…as I agree with everything you wrote! I love the “angst” factor in a relationship. I also love the good girl/ bad boy dynamic which would readily explain my soft spot for Liz and Jason 99 thru 02. I loved her conviction and strength and the way he was so attacted to it (her)…you could just feel it. She made him question things and in turn he made her go outside her comfort zone. She played him (in the best way possible) brilliantly…never letting him off the hook while at the same time loving the person she knew he was inside. Good writing, great acting, and amazing natural chemistry (IMO). The way that they could never stay away from each other even when they tried was truly intense. One of my favorite lines / scenes is when liz has told Jason she can not see him anymore becuase of Lucky, but she forgets her gloves at his place and goes to retrieve them. She finds Jason at Jakes downstairs from his room and tells him she needs her gloves. He turns to go get them and she stops him and asks if she can come with him….he says yes. They get inside the room and she tells him again she cannot see him anymore and that she loves lucky…he just stares at her and she starts stuttering and says “I should not have come up here” and he says “but you did…” So much unspoken innuendo…so much being said within those few words… Anyway lol I see some of that with Krissy and Ethan although her current childishness (behavior…not looks) is a real hurdle for me. Krissy needs some Liz lessons lol Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 7, 2011 Ange that may be a factor at least in the latter years, but I could so see her marketing or being more aggressive in marketing the clothing she designs as a way to maybe work from home and around her gh schedule. Genie also had two children under ten the first time she told tiic what they could do with themselves, but to be fair, in her situation, she had a stronger second income in the household, so she didnt have to have other opportunities per se, because she had a better inherent fall back position. In the end, I just think that tptb dont give a fig about most, if not any, of the women on the cast (we use to be able to say vmg but now, I dont think so) so they question becomes how does one navigate that environment. From what was discussed regarding kelly’s contract – at least from how it has sounded – she was fairly shrewd about negotiating for outs over cash in hand. If the industry is dying, IMHO thats a smart play. I think it sucks that they tried to do her dirty by mucking around with her characters backstory and by throwing sam under the proverbial bus, if for no other reason than the story was complete garbage, disrespectful to the viewers, esp. fans of the character, and distasteful (again with kids in peril), but she stuck to her guns and she got her outs. And I would argue has used those outs pretty wisely – meaning she didnt just go to amsterdam and hang (of course she isnt tony freakin geary either LOL) but you get my point, she used them for projects, not play. Kimberly is also keeping herself viable for a post gh world and from reports negotiated for the time off for her directing studies and opportunities with abc behind the camera. It wouldnt surprise me if guza “got even” by having robin put emma in a tree, but that just shows that none of the women are going to be treated fairly. If thats the environ you are in, you have to figure out how to leave, change the environ, adapt, or leave yourself open to getting screwed even worse than you might otherwise. Fair to say thats harder with kids, but nevertheless those are kind of the only options. I would also say – which was my original point – when the majority of the viewers are women and we have so many cheering when guza takes his pen to page and screws with the female characters to keep the actresses in line – sign on the dotted line and take what we give you or watch what you created destroyed – that kind of tells him thats okay, trash away. Whether we like the CHARACTERS that these women are playing or we dont, I think its admirable when they FIGHT for fairness and something that, when they are successful, we should applaud. Doesnt make any of them the great liberator of LA, but if you havent toughed it out in an environment like that, let me tell you it aint easy. Log in to Reply Miry April 7, 2011 @ Perkie: LoL, yeah, I mean, SOMETIMES you just gotta worry about some ppl coming out of your screen (just some). Thanks ma’am! I really enjoy your posts as well, I think they are my favorite thing about this site & I read them EVERYDAY even if I don’t comment. I FLOVE them! @ EET: See, here is where we keep going wrong. I think that I made it PERFECTLY clear (several times actually) that many people/ALL FANBASES like who they like & don’t who they don’t, therefore, they will accept things that are said depending on who they are said about (& not others). I NEVER ONCE said you were the ONLY one who compared the 2 women, I just QUESTIONED why you did it & called you out for it, since you seem to get “outraged” when OTHER ppl do it. Why do you have to try to make yourself out a MARTYR here (“big bad jasammer, evil”), instead of just owning up to the fact that you DID do it, and we all saw it, and that was your bad. Basically, just man up. I also NEVER said that there was no hypocrisy here, I actually (once AGAIN) said the opposite, I EVEN said that I AGREED with you on that front (i.e. double standards). I think you may be what is called a Selective Reader(Listener) in that you seem to pick & choose what it is you want to read(hear), b/c I am clearly saying the opposite of what you think that I am. Contracts: Um, yes I DO recall you saying that about SBJ (& a lot of ppl agreed with you that TG shouldn’t have called her out), but I didn’t know that I, personally, had to make a comment about everything that you say. LoL, I mean, that is laughable. So let me get this straight: b/c I made the women’s rights comment when you said what you did about KeMo, but didn’t when you said it about SBJ or GF or anyone else for that matter, it somehow either invalidates what I am currently saying now or means that I am just anti-KeMo or… means what exactly I do not know?! People are allowed to pick & chose what they comment on (doesn’t mean I am anti-KeMo) & what you said at THAT moment made me want to comment on it. THAT in & of itself doesn’t mean that I don’t like KeMo & do like SBJ/GF b/c I didn’t make a joke on their threads. As you may or may not have noticed, except for blips here & there, I really don’t make that many comments (unless it is during my vacation time, which this is, or say JJ comes back to GH!). So yeah, that doesn’t mean that I don’t have opinions about what is said just b/c I don’t make a comment on every thread (b/c yes, hun, I do read the majority of the comments). Oh man: No someone saying that you made a mistake is not a terrible thing. What I AM saying is that the WAY that you said it, i.e. she was being “foolish” IS not a nice thing/way to say something. This seems especially clear due to the way in which you set it up by sort of implying that I asked you to go there b/c I “went there”, also lets me know that YOU know that what you said/how you said it was not going to be perceived well. AGAIN, you seem to ignore the fact that you have to KEEP going back to RH vs. KeMo: “Oh noes, I cannot say a THING about Liz, erm RH, but the world can say what ever they want about my KeMo!” B/c really? What exactly did I say that was bad about KeMo? I mocked YOU b/c you were talking about how fab she was b/c she didn’t back down. Last I checked, you & KeMo are not the same person. Plus, seriously, all I said was ‘while she was standing up for women’s rights everywhere’, lol (it still gives me a chuckle), WHAT WAS BAD/NEGATIVE ABOUT THAT? The fact that you took that so negatively when it surrounded a comment about KeMo, but you cannot fathom why someone else would take an obviously negative comment (b/c of the WAY you said it, again, not the content) also speaks volumes. Wasn’t saying that you saying that someone being a better business person means you like them, but I think that it is safe to ASSUME that the way in which you say it does. LoL, saying that you “don’t dislike Becky” (my face thanks you for that, heh) isn’t the same thing as saying that you do. Again, it is the way that you say things. The WAY that you talk about KeMo in comparison to the way that you talk about RH, leads me to believe (whether right or not) that you favor the former. When I let you know how I felt about the 2 actresses & couplings I was letting you know MY opinion on them so that you would no longer assume how I felt b/c due to YOUR responses it was obvious that you thought that I was a Becky lover & a KeMo hater. I just wanted to clear the air so that you could see that I am kind of impartial, on the outside looking in so to speak, when it comes to these debates/comments about Jasam/Liason & KeMo/RH, and that the comments that I was making to you were not clouded by those biases. And finally, I am not trying to paint any images, I am just reiterating the things that you say, so that you can perhaps view the image that YOU have already painted of yourself. Log in to Reply Miry April 7, 2011 @ GHfan777: Thank you, I LOVE your last post as well & I have missed reading your thoughts on this site. (I noticed you have been MIA b/c, I read the majority of the posts, hahaha!). Also, I agree with you & NC about the ‘angst’ good girl/bad boy thing which is probably why I loved me some J&R back in the day! @ NC: It sounded (read) like you were describing J&R to ME! Really, I must say that I am not mad or agitated in the least (so no high bp). I like EET & the way that she writes… and as I have said before, when her biases aren’t blatant (I believe I said “showing”), I really enjoy the ideas that she has that I think would make at least SOME aspects of this show amazing (I make many a comment on that fact). I know that sometimes b/c this is written word we cannot get an accurate feeling of a person’s TONE on here, so I just wanted to make that perfectly clear. I really am cool as a cucumber, and when I “LoL” or “haha” or “heh” I mean just that, I really am laughing or joking about a situation b/c that’s just the type of person that I am. I’m that bitch that’s always smiling. Log in to Reply eiwcakeff April 7, 2011 the rat’s ass is Sam and I don’t care if she ever has a child–she worked so hard to take care of the last one she was pg with didn’t she. She deserves just what she has jm and a ‘replacement baby’ another brain dead idea from GH writers. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 April 7, 2011 Miry – I love your posts so much – I would seriously pay you to post more. Do you understand how amazing and articulate you are? It’s the put you in a tree, shoot you in the head, bash your enemy with an axe kind of devotion. Log in to Reply eiwcakeff April 7, 2011 Please adults, not hardly when your first words are I don’t give a rat’s ass. and then ‘sorry this sucks’ if your fan base is so large then you must not being watching thing 1 and thing 2 because they never generate good ratings and never will no matter how many times they are shown. hell i hope they do have a baby just so they will STFU about it I’m sure it will last all of 5 mins–before sam flings one of those hands around and kills it or accidently shoots it like she did jm or leaves her gun lying around for the kid to clean for her just like its loser Dad. It turns into a fan base war because that’s the nature of the beast. I’m an EWFF and liked Liason because he was different with her but frankly I’m hoping sometime this yr they find someone new for EW an real step forward man not a wimp like jm or a screecher like LS. I’ll be happy with that Log in to Reply eiwcakeff April 7, 2011 There isn’t a good s/l currently being shown on GH: S&B are boring and oblivious, Carly is selfish and manipulates everything and everyone, jm still looks constipated, Sam well she’s still Sam, Lucky is still crying, Lulu and Maxie are still hypocrites, and Luke is still drinking, Dante is trying to take jm sainthood away from him and Michael is sleeping with his mother, oh I mean a woman who looks like his mother. Lisa OMG so freaking annoying get rid of her she is tanking JZ, Scrubs are even boring and I like them. This is what is being shown–all crap all the time. Notice no mention of EW, IR, TC, NLG–not even gonna get into the whole Monica, Bobbie, Edward, Audrey stupidity–but the first 4 should be on in what was a current s/l for a minute but no longer is of interest-dead kid oh Luke did it, let’s all go get a drink, oh! and BTW let’s have a baby yeah that’s the ticket that will fix everything. As my kids used to say along time ago ‘go to Jupiter to more stupider’ that applies to the writers on GH as well as the higher ups. GH has been good in the past but seriously the crap they are shipping right now totally sucks. Log in to Reply GHvetfan April 7, 2011 Miry – I will second Ravennite’s love for you. I have read through this thread and I too love your writing style and ability. It isn’t at all a chore to understand you. I can’t say that about many. I will say that EET is also very skilled at conveying her thoughts. I just don’t agree with many of those but I do appreciate the grammar and writing ability. There were a few posts in this thread that I assumed at first that the writers were going for a Yoda vibe on purpose. Sadly, they are not. I am concerned for the public school system. Log in to Reply Miry April 7, 2011 @ Raven: LoL, you sure do know how to sweet talk a girl, don’t ya?! I mean, I am blushing here. I think I just might let you cover up a murder I’ve committed. Thanks soo much, Hun. I really do appreciate your kind words & you can PayPal me at… And I love your posts as well (I have also noticed that you haven’t been saying much lately as well. Not enjoying the show? Heh, & omgosh what are they doing to your Johnny!?) @ GHvetfan: Thanks, my dear! You also type eloquently & I like your take on things. Some of your comments contain information that I might not have thought about & I always enjoy that. Also, I agree with what you said regarding EET, Yoda, & our public schools. @ eiwcakeff: Your first two posts were kind of ridiculous in nature b/c they make people not want to pay attention to what you say. I DO however totally agree with your 3rd post & wish that you had left it at that. You might have missed the memo, but on this site ppl tend to not like the name calling & the blind hatred (the only character that I can recall who really didn’t care about the baby they were carrying in that they really did nothing for it was Tess on OLTL. I definitely wouldn’t put Sam in that category). Just thought I’d say something so EET doesn’t have to be the only one. (Smile). Log in to Reply ange-i-am April 7, 2011 @GHvetfan-Fear of the public school system is why I homeschool my children. @Miry-I loved J&R!!! I think that’s why I still dislike Carly. lol Yes, I know Kim was leaving the show but I still blame Carly for tearing up J&R. They trashed Robin something terrible when she was leaving. sigh Have always loved the bad boy/good girl thing. Log in to Reply GHvetfan April 7, 2011 ange – I have often wondered about the Home School option. My kids have all gone through public school and they have all gotten through unscathed. Thankfully!! How are your kids doing? I had an employee/ friend of my daughter who they wanted to put into remedial English in college because she didn’t have any experience with term papers and citing references. She was home schooled. She found tutors and managed to get through the entrance tests fine and is doing really well in College now. I don’t have any other experience with Home Schooling. Are you happy with the choice? Log in to Reply js3557 April 7, 2011 Thanks for the entertainment ladies! I was unable to post much the last couple of days, but reading all the comments was fun. Miry – I’m “fangurl”ing you right back! Log in to Reply ange-i-am April 7, 2011 GHvetfan-it really is the perfect option for my kids. My kids are very bright. And they don’t follow the “standard” for being put through school necessariy. My oldest son (2nd grade) hates art and coloring. Friends who are teachers have often said I made a great choice in not placing him in regular public school b/c he would have had to do a lot of coloring which he would have been bored with and started losing interest. Instead he is reading and doing math at 2 or 3 grade levels higher than he is in and with the art, we get to have him continue to learn it at his own pace/change the materials to suit him better. They have said they could skip him grades but he is still very much a little boy and he wouldn’t get the concepts at an older level, plus he is small for his age. My 2nd son is 4 and I had thought I could take my time with him but he just wanted to learn. So he hasn’t “offically” started kindergarten yet and has been reading for a year and is doing simple addition and subtraction. But I get to take time to develop his handwriting and whatever else he needs that extra time with at his own pace. That is really what I love about it. You can go ahead in subjects they thrive at and take your time with the subjects they may find more challenging. And doing it one on one you really learn their individual learning style more than they would get in a classroom setting. Now, I think b/c they are so smart they WOULD get attention in public school. I just don’t feel comfortable skipping children and having them around older concepts with older kids that they really are not ready for and they would be completely bored and not living up to their potential in their own grade academically. I think public school is actually harder on those who are “average”. The ones on top and the ones on bottom are more the squeaky wheels so they tend to get the most attention. But even more than academics, I do worry about the influence my kids will get from the misbehavior and values being taught. Some kids are just um, bad. Log in to Reply GHvetfan April 7, 2011 ange – Like I said, I have very limited experience with home schooling but I am very happy your kids are thriving. I have always thought skipping grades can be detrimental. I have some experience with that. I was jumped from 3rd grade reading into a 6th grade reading group and it didn’t go well. I was too young and my brother was in 6th grade and hated it so he became a disciplinary problem. I ended up in the library with a tutor where I thrived but isolated me. I can certainly understand how individualizing the curriculum can be helpful. Log in to Reply chatch April 8, 2011 I am new to this actual site, but I have watched GH for years. I love Jason and really can’t stand Liz but could care less about Sam also. The thing I want to throw out to everyone is this: Has anyone really seen Jake get buried? I mean here is my theory, Franko calls Carly and knows all about Jocyln, who’s to say that it was really Jake that got hit. Franko is completely capable of using another child to “appear” as Jake. If we use common sense a child that had been hit as badly as Jake (according to Robin and Patrick) he was an absolute mess, may not be that recognizable. So I personally think that Franko switched Jake and is going to raise him to hate Jason. I mean what better way to get to Jason? Franco hasn’t been able to really effect Jason yet, I couldn’t see any better writing than that. That way you have the “legacy” child still living but coming back as the complete “anti_Jason.” Log in to Reply AHeart4Fiction April 8, 2011 I am editing this b/c I was hotheaded and I much rather say that I agree with everyone else that said Jason has become unrootable. But I still prefer Liz with Lucky and Sam with Lucky b/c their chem was undeniable. I still believe Carly really shouldn’t be talking about kids giving you focus. If that were so Michael wouldn’t have gone to prison, she would have owned up to her part in Michael going to prison, she wouldn’t be too busy trying to nail Dumbte (really can’t stand this character) to a wall, we would actually see Morgan and he wouldn’t be having so many slumber parties and she could actually try to work things out with Jax or at least reach an angreement in the divorce and settle this custody dispute with Jax (unless she has b/c I hardly watch anymore). Log in to Reply eiwcakeff April 8, 2011 Miry while I appreciate you taking the time to give me the rules of the road I don’t need a lesson in how to post on any site-I say what I feel and until someone, and by that I mean at DC, says otherwise I will continue on, unless you do work for them and this is an official reprimand. I read all your posts and didn’t feel the need to comment on the length of them or what was said. For someone so concerned about what is said telling another poster their post is ridiculous is of course as you said ridiculous by the fact that you even said it. If my posts offend you then don’t read them, I personally try to read everything just so I know where ppl are coming from. I didn’t agree with everything you said in your posts but hey go for it. As for the name calling it comes out at times, but I’ll make a note of it and try my darnedest not to do that in the future; and no I didn’t get the memo but I sure do like you taking the time out to let me know. I wouldn’t say I have blind hatred more general disgust with the show and how it’s written, it was more of a malaise for a yr or so. I don’t actually hate Sam she is more of a non entity to me, but I do admit to a mostly negative bias towards the way jm is written and my bias is always going to be in Elizabeth’s favor-she’s the reason I started watching gh and why I keep up with it. However, I hate the way she has been written in the last two yrs and hope for better things in the future for her. I can’t really speak to what the actors do in their personal lives. I feel sad that any of them has or will lose their job like TC or possibly IR, they seem like a good sort. I’m happy than Becky was given a reprieve though she doesn’t really have much screen time, when she does she always rises to the occasion. I look forward to more of her and her boys, the hospital s/l with Scrubs and more Steven and less Lisa and Terrell Log in to Reply Miry April 8, 2011 @ange: That’s why I thank my momma everyday for putting me through private school! ;D I like what you said about the homeschooling with the pacing, but from meeting/knowing ppl in college who were homeschooled I sort of got the impression that they weren’t the best um, ‘socially’ if you know what I’m saying. Yeah, you can pick up a lot of trash from other kids, but you also pick up a lot of social cues, group bonding/working with others, etc. that you only get from being/interacting with kids your own age (& younger/older ones at recess & lunch) that you obviously wouldn’t get if you didn’t go to school with them. Yes, I went to private school for my younger years, but I did want to go to high school with quote/unquote “normal” kids, but b/c I was at a higher level than others (obviously private school does that for ya, lol) I was always in the AP or Gifted/Talented programs & so that helped with the ‘challenging me mentally thing’ but also kind of kept me away from (um, for lack of a better phrase:) the bad kids. But of course there are ways to get that socializing in: athletics, camps, Sunday school/church, etc. Disclaimer: I’m not saying your kids will be that way, just saying that I have met some products of that system. *And yes, I do agree with you & your Carly hate in regards to J&R… though who I felt was REALLY damaged by all of that was Jason. Here you had a woman that was willing to help you raise another woman’s kid (AND pretend that you, HER man, had fathered it) and he just basically threw her away like yesterday’s garbage. I mean, he fought soo hard for her & even left the mob for her (!!!!), but all-of-a-sudden, none of that mattered to him (yes, I know its b/c they needed a way to write KM off the show). I lost mucho respect for Jason after that one. I actually laughed at him a little bit when he found out about Carly & Sonny’s hate sex. Muahahaha. You lay with dogs you might just end up with a couple of fleas. In regard to Robin: I just chalked that up to a woman reaching her breaking point. We’ve all got one & Robin apparently, just had enough & reached hers. @JS: Log in to Reply Miry April 8, 2011 @ eiwcakeff: Really didn’t mean to offend you & just to be clear, no I am not a part of the DC crew or management. I will however take your advice & ignore the things that you say b/c I see from your response that you like to take jabs at ppl. I will not reciprocate here. To clarify: I just said what I said b/c (1)you are new here & this site is a little different from others in that ppl aren’t usually outwardly nasty or mean to actual ppl, and (2)if you read all of my posts, whether you agreed with them or not, you could see that the running theme between EET & I was that ppl have a double standard in that someone won’t say anything unless a favorite of theirs is called a name. It is some ppl’s contention on this site that ppl can say whatever they want about Sam, but if someone says something about Liz ppl get up in arms over it. You said a lot of somethings about Sam & in order to show that I agreed with information that I had previously discussed, I said what I said to you. Perhaps I shouldn’t have used the term “ridiculous” & I believe that I did so b/c I assumed that you had read the entire thread, & had therefore seen what we had been discussing, & said what you said in order to be malicious/rile ppl up. Log in to Reply ange-i-am April 8, 2011 Miry–I was always in the gifted programs myself. And my kids attend a co-op day and sports and homeschool playgroups. And we are very active at church as well. So, no problems with socialization. Homeschooling really isn’t what it used to be. Log in to Reply Miry April 9, 2011 @ange: Good to read! Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 9, 2011 I’ve purposefully ignored this thread, but I clicked on one of the side bar comments thinking it was about something else and landed here. I see a lot of “eet”s in the thread so let me be clear AGAIN I dont care what people call sam nor do I have any interest in censoring anyone. I care about the double standard AND I am not the only one who feels that is true – that you can say anything about ANY character from Mykill to Slam to the Sperminator without any backlash but say boo about Liz and the moral outrage is deafening. The double standard is esp. true with the two women. Its the general theme – nicknames about Liz are “childish” and “immature”. Negative comments about Liz are “baiting” and “annoying”. Sam is a slut and a con and Liz is a hardworking mother with a big heart – and people like the character they most relate to (yes, been told that one). Save Our Soaps supports “moral storytelling”, which of course means skate, carjax, scrubs and Liason (implying that other pairings are immoral – I guess somehow a nurse dating an enforcer and a magazine editor dating a mob kingpin is “moral” but if its a PI and a supermodel dating those same men, look out our souls are in danger) Liz fans are defending their favorite, Sam fans defending her are haters. And of course one of my favorites – JaSam fans shouldnt post in any thread about Liz or Liz and Jason because those threads “belong” to Liz fans and our presence isnt allowed. Do all Liz fans do this, NO, but there is a total silence about it and while its only a select few that actually make the childish/baiting/haters/our thread/morality kind of arguments, the fact that other fans then come on and act like it doesnt happen, to me is just – lets just say all sorts of WOW. Log in to Reply chula April 10, 2011 people who say that they have being watching gh the show for 30 years say they know the history of sam and liz with jason. if u know jason he will have never taken sam back after she watch jake being kidnap. hire thugs to scare liz.we all love our liason and jasam. but lets be honest the way they are writting jason is that he gotten soft. i believe he dosent love sam as he did once. perhaps he feels responsible because she got shot.he not the same old jason. they changed him completely. he would have never ever forgiven sam. Log in to Reply chula April 10, 2011 people who say that they have being watching gh the show for 30 years say they know the history of sam and liz with jason. if u know jason he will have never taken sam back after she watch jake being kidnap. hire thugs to scare liz.we all love our liason and jasam. but lets be honest the way they are writting jason is that he gotten soft. i believe he dosent love sam as he did once. perhaps he feels responsible because she got shot.he not the same old jason. they changed him completely. he would have never ever forgiven sam. Log in to Reply chula April 10, 2011 people who say that they have being watching gh the show for 30 years say they know the history of sam and liz with jason. if u know jason he will have never taken sam back after she watch jake being kidnap. hire thugs to scare liz.we all love our liason and jasam. but lets be honest the way they are writting jason is that he gotten soft. i believe he dosent love sam as he did once. perhaps he feels responsible because she got shot.he not the same old jason. they changed him completely. he would have never ever forgiven sam. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin April 10, 2011 Except he forgave Robin for telling aj that michael was his bio son. Jason felt totally heartbroken and betrayed by robin, and her decision cost him the opportunity to raise michael as his own. Now before you tell me that it took him forever to forgive her, lets remember here that she LEFT Port Charles and was completely unapologetic for her actions because she felt it was the right thing to do. Whether she was right or wrong, he felt she wasnt, so her lack of regret didnt move things forward. When she came back to pc they got past it relatively quickly, even though she still feels she did the right thing and he still in his heart of hearts disagrees (although he has had pangs of doubt over the years). Conversely, Sam had a breakdown – which jason is familiar with having seen the same issues with carly and sonny over the years and he knows that people in that heightened emotional state do not behave rationally. Once sam started to mend, she apologized numerous times and showed that her remorse and regret ran deep – so deep that she risked her life to protect liz and the boys in the cabin and then again after the russians took jake. And what about carly and sonny – how much crap has jason forgiven them for over the years? Carly married aj, she had hate sex with sonny, sonny kept jason from courtney and then stuck jason with the mob when he wanted out for kate. Thats just 4 things that he forgave them for. If he can forgive carSon for two decades worth of nonsense, then certainly he can forgive sam for something she did during a breakdown that he helped bring on by his actions and lies. Oh wait…just as I was about to post – how about DANTE? he seems to have forgiven him for his role in michael going to jail. Oh and he forgave Liz for sleeping with zander, and for siding with ric both when courtneys life was on the line and when she pulled a gun on him and ordered him out instead of allowing him to search the house for a missing carly. In fact, if we are just going on him being a mob enforcer – he didnt kill manny right away, he didnt kill karpov, he didnt kill alkie right away, he didnt kill aj, he hasnt killed anthony z or johnny – hell he has given johnny every chance in the book – and he didnt kill luke. Log in to Reply got2luvmel April 10, 2011 PREACH Miry…nuf said! Log in to Reply sassysdreams April 10, 2011 chula – Is there some reason you felt the need to post your message three times? Log in to Reply cokeyloveshersoaps April 10, 2011 Maybe it was A MISTAKE it DOES happen it has happened to me a dozen of times before. Log in to Reply liason4real April 10, 2011 Except he forgave Robin for telling aj that michael was his bio son. ===== If I remember correctly, Jason shot Tony for kidnapping Michael as a baby? As for Robin, if she had done all of those horrific things to Michael that Sam did to Jake, I seriouly doubt that Jason would forgive, forget or take her back. Of course, back then, Jason was a better written character than what has been on the screen since Pratt/Frons took over in 2002. Pratt/Frons were more interested in Courtney and Sam looking hawwttt with Jason than whether or not the character would be involved with either woman. JMO…A lot of the soap characters before Pratt/Frons showed up in 2002 have been written with an agenda in mind that makes the characters now really OCC and just plain awful. Just look at the article by the Huffington Post where they talk about Scotty, Laura, Ric Webber,,,etc. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.