HomeTVAll My ChildrenRatings, Rants and Raves: B&B and Y&R Climb; General Hospital Hits New Lows Jamey Giddens May 6, 2011 All My Children, Days of Our Lives, General Hospital, One Life to Live, The Bold and the Beautiful, The Young and The Restless 169 Comments As if the cancel happy suits at ABC need any more incentive to add General Hospital to their mass soapicide; the sudser did terrible in the Nielsens the week of April 25-29, 2011 (Source: Soap Opera Network). For starters, One Life to Live beat GH in total viewers for the week and was tied with the serial in households. That wasn't the big story, however. GH hit a new low among women viewers 18-49, and tied it's all-time low in the demo for that bracket. Among women 18-34, GH hit a new low. Storywise I thought GH was pretty good the week in question, what with all the big drama over Luke's (Tony Geary) intervention, but for some reason or another people tuned out at a time when GH needs all the eyeballs it can get. As I mentioned, OLTL beat GH in total viewers for the week, making it the most watched daytime soap on ABC, and the only datytime soap up year-to-date, however OLTL did drop 218,000 total viewers. Among women 18-49, OLTL dropped to fourth place, only separated from GH by one-tenth of a ratings point. Among women 18-34, OLTL held steady at No. 2. In story, Todd (Trevor St. John) woke up, while his sister battled her alters in a spectacular (and sans promotion) display of acting chops from ABC's other six-time Daytime Emmy winner Erika Slezak. You know it's a doggone shame that ABC never realized the soap opera treasures they have in OLTL's Slezak and Strasser. For the last few years whenever I dug around to try to find out why GH was consistently favored over OLTL, I kept hearing about GH's stronger "brand", which made me scratch my head, because GH doesn't even want half of said brand, aka Genie Francis, anywhere near the set. Meanwhile, OLTL has had their supercouple—Dorian and Viki—right on the canvas, raring to go and to be promoted. Shameful. All My Children was in last place for the week in households (tied with Days of Our Lives), women 18-49 and women 18-34. I don't think it will help things much to spend time further bashing AMC's stories. All I can say is Lorraine Broderick and Agnes Nixon's episodes cannot arrive soon enough for this blogger and/or his evil twin. I will however spend plenty of time bashing Days of Our Lives storylines, but first, the ratings. DAYS was in last place in total viewers and in households. Where it really counts, women 18-49, DAYS was tied with GH at No. 2. Among women 18-34, DAYS was also tied with No.2. You know, as I sit here, reading Sheri Anderson's second steamy, suspensful DAYS-themed novel A Stirring in Salem, I still can't figure out why Ken Corday doesn't ask, no beg, Anderson to write the show again? The brass at DAYS has to know Samantha Jean Brady (Alison Sweeney), the reformed, scheming bitch goddess extraordinaire, who once made fools of Victor Kiriakis (John Aniston) and Stefano DiMera (Joe Mascolo) would never be fooled by a doppelganger. Please get Anderson and/or Thom Racina back on the payroll before it's too late for a 1,875,265th "Plan to Save DAYS" cover of Soap Opera Digest to have any effect. Over at CBS, The Young and the Restless and The Bold and The Beautiful both had good weeks. Let's start with Y&R. The No. 1 soap went up 111,000 total viewers and gained one-tenth of a point in households. Y&R also went up one-tenth of a point among women 18-34. Y&R was really good the week in question, so kudos to Maria Arena Bell and Co. It's funny, this show can be great one week and infuriatingly bad the next. I think if that schizophrenia was addressed Y&R could once again be a contender. Jana (Emily O'Brien) kidnapping Lucy and Delia from Billy (Billy Miller) and Victoria's (Amelia Heinle) home, just after Daniel (Michael Grazadei) reassured Billy his bio daughter would remain with them, was character driven soap at its finest. The umbrella storyline brought most of the Genoa City canvas together to shine in a time of crisis for the Abbotts, Newmans and Chloe (Elizabeth Hendrickson). Speaking of Chloe, major props to Hendrickson who killed me softly as the usually vapid, self-absorbed fashionista imagined what horrible things her unhinged rival might be doing to her daughter. Hendrickson should save the scenes where Chloe blasted Villy for allowing crazy ass Jana to be their nanny for her Outstanding Supporting Actress Daytime Emmy reel next year. B&B went up 190,000 total viewers and gained two-tenths of a point in households over the previous week. B&B also went up one-tenth of a point among women 18-49 and one-tenth of a point among women 18-34. Like Y&R, B&B had a front burner umbrella saga that united the canvas, Brooke (Katherine Kelly Lang) and Thomas' (Adam Gregory) plane crash. This just goes to show soap fans still love it when the characters we love, hate and love to hate come together in story arcs that impact the entire canvas. Everyone in B&B's ficitional version of Los Angeles had an emotional stake in Brooke and Tom being found safe. Where B&B is hurting, however is in their 30-something storylines. B&B has a stellar veteran cast appealing to the over-40 demo and a promising young adult cast, but where's the story to draw in the demos B&B is hurting in the most, women 18-34 and 18-49? Amber (Adrianne Frantz) is in the 18-34 age range, but she is forever trapped in teen storylines. Same with Katie Logan (Heather Tom). Katie is battling a child for her husband. Where are the stories for women in their mid-30's who don't constantly catfight with 90210'ers over their dudes? I say it's high time B&B brought back one or more of the Forrester sisters— Kristin, Felicia and/or Bridget. Can you imagine the heat Lesli Kay and Rick Hearst would generate if Felicia found herself lusting for her ex-sister-in-law Taylor's (Hunter Tylo) man? Whip has been getting frustrated over Taylor's obsession with Ridge (Ron Moss) for months; Felicia would be a welcome distraction. Maybe Felicia comes back to LA to start her own modeling agency and hires Whip to do her PR, causing sparks to fly? What would Stephanie (Susan Flannery) think of her daughter going after her best friend's husband? Just some thoughts. See you next Ratings. For the complete ratings, go to Soap Opera Network. Photo of Tony Geary by PR Photos 169 Responses giogio May 6, 2011 People probably stopped watching gh because they killed a baby. Log in to Reply Carol2 May 6, 2011 I will praise most of the acting I have seen in the baby Lucy story (Stafford and Heinle better than in recent years, for instance) but I don’t see how this is any less plot-driven than Lauren and her doppleganger in a funhouse mirror. Jana is one of the most plot-driven characters ever. Only Emily O’Brien has made her so watchable, and, as so often happens on Y&R, watchable actors are fired, while bored actors are given whatever they want. Log in to Reply Carol2 May 6, 2011 [quote=giogio]People probably stopped watching gh because they killed a baby.[/quote] I think it’s because nothing ever changes on GH. Luke will always be this way no matter what. This is the latest version of the My Way episode. It’s also stupid to have a big intervention with the Spencer family after spending almost a decade telling viewers that these people don’t like each other and don’t consider each other family. Log in to Reply giogio May 6, 2011 Come to think of it, maybe Frons said to Guza, come on we need to get these ratings down so we can cancell this show and prove that no-one is watching anymore. So the kill Jake story was born. At this point from the owners to the writers are all giving the viewers EXACTLY what they dont want. Does any writer in their right mind think killing a baby is entertaining? They’re either all nuts or are driving it down on purpose. None of them make sense. Log in to Reply samIShot May 6, 2011 not only does nothing change on GH, but the script is basically the same day after day. I swear they just use the same scenes with the same people week after week. GH has become a horrible show, and it has little to do with killing Jake off. Log in to Reply Carol2 May 6, 2011 GH has just become a very strange show all around. Unless you really really hate Jax – and even then – would you want to see him humiliated by a thug for hire that has been on the show for about six months? Does anyone else think Guza is trying to repeat the story where Jason and Sonny made sure AJ didn’t have rights to Michael? I keep expecting Shawn to put Jax on a meat hook. I wonder if there is any correlation between OLTL ratings drops and the I’m-bored-as-hell-and-I’m-not-gonna-act-anymore incarnation of Todd having major story. ABC blamed Kyle and Fish, but I thought the ratings in 2009 started really dropping once the terrible story about Danielle and evil Ross began. Log in to Reply samIShot May 6, 2011 Regarding tuning in to save GH, they have to meet us half way. If they cannot provide half decent television, how can they expect us to sit through it? At least with OLTL, they are for the most part keeping people interested with good writing (except for Deanna which i cannot believe they are wasting time with). Next friday starts Todd vs. Todd. Everything on that show seems fresh in some way, and always moving forward. GH can learn something and fast is they dont want to be over before next summer too. It still amazes me how a show with half the cast of OLTL and half the quality of writing can be so far over budget. Log in to Reply josser May 6, 2011 Um, these ratings for GH aren’t that odd. If you look over the ratings for GH in the last year, GH’s ratings tend to slide once an exciting stunt ends. Where GH typically shines is in it’s demo, coming in 2nd or tying Y&R. I think if GH had not destroyed the Quartermaines and reduced the mob stories, the show would have more balance and draw consistent, higher ratings. As it is, the show does not have storylines around older women. OLTL and Y&R always have stories featuring their over 50 actors that integrate with the younger actors. I watch OLTL because I love Dorian, Viki, Clint, Bo, and Nora as much as I do Tea, Todd, etc. I grew up with these characters and its great to see how the characters have grown. I can’t say the same for GH. I loved the Quartermaines. They’re gone. Lucy is gone. I don’t really like the mob on GH. And, frankly, as much as Tony Geary is a great actor, I don’t find Luke charming at all. I do miss Stefan and Laura. That was a great love story. There really is a reason why Y&R is number 1 and OLTL does well in the ratings when the writing is solid and the vets are up front. Sadly, I do believe GH’s ratings will play into Katie Couric decision. I wish NBC and Sony would get together and pick up OLTL as a companion show to OLTL. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 6, 2011 Great Ratings, Rants, and Raves, Jamey! [quote] GH hit a new low among women viewers 18-49, and tied it’s all-time low in the demo for that bracket. [/quote] I looked at SON’s ratings and apparently the show’s not so popular with the Men either, so who is Frons REALLY pimping???? Not to mention, once they killed Jake, more people had had enough and said they were tuning out, and wouldn’t tune back in and apparently they stuck to their word. But killing so many beloved characters over the years has really been the last straw for folks. If it weren’t for certain actors, it’s sad to say, but I don’t think I’d waste my time watching anymore. Even at this stage in the game because the show too often insults me as a viewer. Misogynistic stories and unnecessary deaths every other week will NOT bring back the viewers. [quote] Samantha Jean Brady (Alison Sweeney), the reformed, scheming bitch goddess extraordinaire, who once made fools of Victor Kiriakis (John Aniston) and Stefano DiMera (Joe Mascolo) would never be fooled by a doppelganger. [/quote] AMEN! The whole thing is downright insulting. And I can’t believe women are so often writing other women as either jealous shrews or bumbling morons on these shows! Do they NOT realize that we are the main audience???? Good grief on potatoes! DOOL deserves all the hits it gets, I’m sorry. To end on a lighter note, lol, I’m pretty eager for Todd/Todd and am pretty sure I will be home sick next Friday to catch the show live. Yeah, I’m planning ahead of time to be home for the show, sue me, lol. And Erika Slezak, wow, what a PHENOM! And I love her and Dorian together. They’re pretty much the definition of bestest frenemies, lol. Log in to Reply JAQ May 6, 2011 [quote=giogio]People probably stopped watching gh because they killed a baby.[/quote] :beer: :beer: :beer: Log in to Reply JAQ May 6, 2011 [quote=giogio]Come to think of it, maybe Frons said to Guza, come on we need to get these ratings down so we can cancell this show and prove that no-one is watching anymore. None of them make sense.[/quote] That is what I was thinking too. In fact, that is a given. How conicidential this gets released the day after a public announcement is made about GH time slot. Or maybe it has to do with the past year a show that is focused on a ‘Super Model’ who behaves like a 12 year old and snorts in between her lines?? J) Log in to Reply giogio May 6, 2011 JAQ – you have me hysterical with those snorts. They really did a disservice to Vanessa cause she was always so good on that show. They seem to be ruining it on purpose. If I now have to watch Lulu hold her mightier than thou position on Luke I will vomit for sure. Once she gets going on a stand she takes she is annoying. We will be seeing her run around for the next few months saying “i will have nothing to do with my father unless he goes into rehab”. Liz should tell someone she was too busy looking at the paternity test when Jake wandered outside. Why she had to take a sneeky test is beyond me. If that were me, I would have been screaming LOOK WHAT HELANA DID. Instead she’s acting guilty. Do they think we didnt see what happened. They better get it together or go off now cause if they have any hope in staying on, we need some story lines. And bring back Jax, Alexis Diane. Log in to Reply akbad806 May 6, 2011 GH suffers because they don’t have a moral compass (ex. Alice Horton, Jessie Brewer, Lila Quartermaine, Nancy Hughes, Ada Hobson, Steve Hardy) and the mob is constantly on overload. Explosions, death, and calling people “bitches” isn’t cutting it anymore. Log in to Reply akbad806 May 6, 2011 “It’s funny, this show can be great one week and infuriatingly bad the next. I think if that schizophrenia was addressed Y&R could once again be a contender.” Y&R isn’t a contender? Ummm this is the best soap on the air right now. They are telling great stories and could show every other daytime drama what it’s all about. Log in to Reply harlee490 May 6, 2011 Great Rant Jamey, you was dead on about Y&R. Sometimes you wonder why it is so uneven but this week was EXCELLENT. Victoria (AM) was some of her best scenes to date. Jana (EO’B)is tearing the part up and love they put her colored streaks back in hair OLTL was very good this week also including ES and RS together and fall out over Echo now that Charlie knows the truth. I’m waiting with bated breath for RH’s return, looking forward for Blair (KDeP)and him in the scenes and sack together. Forget Days is gone. GH will not support. AMC is mixed bag. So glad the end of Rylee is upon us…thank sweet Jesus. Angie & Jesse is hitting it out the park and I am very much enjoying Cara & Tad, wasn’t sure in the beginning but honestly they have sold me. Loving Kendall & Grif they are HOT together love that Kendall going to a bitch on wheels for revenge. Ricky is so damn sexy…hate character love his smile. Now Erica, after the doppelganger story at Y&R the last year wasn’t happy but now AN is back with LB it might go in a different direction. A friend of mine is a HUGE AMC fan been there since the beginning and is extremely excited with the news of Anges & Lorraine, in this carnation of double duty “Erica” he mentioned maybe “Silver” is still alive harboring resentment on Erica. I don’t the history of Silver, so anyone please help. Log in to Reply craigcp May 6, 2011 The only way the Y&R and B&B stay high they are on people’s lunch break. Why they need to count DVR, TIVO and online viewing. Further proof they got a boost during the hard winter. They need to realize that people work. Log in to Reply lfad May 6, 2011 Despite general boringness of AMC, I am intrigued by the Erica doppelganger story, mostly because I’m curious how LB will resolve it. Still don’t really care about OLTL. I do care about Matthew mainly because I thought he was so adorable when he was little and would stop and watch him. I used to care about Jessie, but she’s been a shell of her former self since whoever retconned her paternity and her past and made her the current mess she is today. No surprise GH keeps falling. As someone who has never watched the show, the way the show is promoted and sold turns me off. Log in to Reply CinLee May 6, 2011 I’ve seen lots of people say they didn’t tune in for the intervention because they HATE Luke, and not only because of Jake, but because GH destroyed the history of Luke and Laura to bring on Ethan. People are tired of the mob all of the time, no romance, and way too much of Mabbie. We don’t need them on screen every day. I’m now at the point myself that I turn it on on SoapNet, see which characters are on and then generally shut it off. Log in to Reply glam_queen May 6, 2011 The killing of Jake didn’t get me to tune out of GH. I actually watched that week. I’ve stopped tuning in because it’s terrible IMO. I get annoyed everytime I watch the show. I cant stand most of the characters and storylines now. Even with Poppa Z on its still not enough to get me to watch, even though I love him. All this Mabby, Sonny and Brenda, Dante, Dumb Lisa & Kristina crap annoys me to no end. Now OLTL I love. I watch everyday and its just great. But soon as 3:00 hits I turn my channel. Log in to Reply stoney07 May 6, 2011 Y&R and B&B are the best soaps on the air currently. Both are back to basics, telling good character-driven stories that aren’t too “out there” (save for B&B’s drug berries)…but even the drug berries were a small aspect of the bigger picture. I honestly don’t see Y&R as unstable anymore. It’s been fantastic for at least a month or two now…and I’m enjoying it so much. IDK if it had anything to do with Paul Rauch FINALLY leaving…but I’m enjoying the show soooo much! And it’s so good to finally get a break from Sharon and the Newman clan. It’s been a welcomed break. Log in to Reply giogio May 6, 2011 If people would only start cheating on each other in gh – sneeking around in cars, motels and hitting the sheets when someone is bound to walk on things would be juicy. Instead, everyone is so boring in their professional selves. All they do is go from door to door, every so often theirs a shoot out where Sam runs around with her little black gun. Sonny got married and he’s never with his new wife and never looked so miserable.Michael insists on being in the mob and everyone is talking him out of it. Thats all we hear. For a very long time. Actually, since Vanessa came back its been downhill. I dont like to talk like that, cause I am not blaming her personally, its what the writers did with her. So I stand by my theory —-Frons came in and said HEY – WHOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RATINGS ON THIS SHOW DOING SO GOOD. Get rid of the actors responsible for this. Log in to Reply GHFan777 May 6, 2011 from NC Love and agree a 100% with your post as usual. Log in to Reply keanna May 6, 2011 As always great ratings article, Jamey!!!! Days, I’m with you Jamey, I mean Sami, this is a woman who years ago pretended to be her sister so that her boyfriend would catch her cheating on him with his brother. You would think with that and all the other schemes she pulled, she would know an imposter when she sees one, I don’t know. As for the ABC soaps, AMC, I’m being very patient, and just counting the days until we see Lorraine and Agnes’ material. I wish Erica’s kidnapper would be revealed already. OLTL, Love it, love it, love it. Dorian and Vicki are the ULTIMATE frenemies, they were that way before the term was made. I am actually looking forward to see what Ron C. does with Roger Howarth, are there going to be two Todds. GH, Is anyone really surprise by the ratings, I mean Giogio you’re on point my friend, and JAQ I wouldn’t be shocked either, get the ratings down the toilet, cancelled it, and say the viewers, how original. Log in to Reply akbad806 May 6, 2011 @ Stoney07 can i get a AMEN? You said that. Y&R and B&B shine above the other soaps on the air. They are absolutely breathtaking and really appreciate their viewers (unlike GH and DAYS). You wouldn’t dare catch Caroline Brady or Audrey Hardy screaming at God in a mesmerizing scene ala Kay Chancellor. I don’t even watch B&B, but I know it’s clicking on most cylinders. Log in to Reply GHFan777 May 6, 2011 The current story lines in progess on GH really sux, and are a large part of why the ratings are so low. They killed Jake…HUGE mistake. Does anyone really care if Luke has a drinking problem? He almost died a few years ago and supposedly had to give up booze…that isn’t even mentioned this time around. Can’t stand Mabby…they are eating up the air too. Way too much Carly also. Now all of a sudden she is in every story line like Dante used to be. Brenda’s story line is a big yawn. No one cares about the character of Brenda since her return. They wrote her so unrecognizable it is hard to even watch her in scenes. Can’t stand Shawn and HATE what they are doing to Jax. I hate the couple of Jasam, and think having a baby now… right after Jake dying is extremely distasteful. Elizabeth is going from being a victim along with Lucky and Nik in their paternity story line, to looking bad by not telling them. The list just goes on and on… There is only one story line that is not a complete waste and that is the Scrubs/Lisa one….but even that one has weak points. I continue to watch the show because I am a diehard fan…but I can see why others have tuned out. No wonder the show is hitting such all time lows. It does seem like they are trying to sabotage it right off the air. Log in to Reply giogio May 6, 2011 FROM NC – GREAT EXPLANATION. Another thing I think we might get stuck with now which I will definately be stopped dead in my tracks is, Liz seeing deceased Jake. If I have to see that kid knowing he died I will not be able to support anything. They dont care anyway if we support or not, so why am I even bothering. Log in to Reply Carol2 May 6, 2011 On Y&R at the moment there are so few strong characters that it’s hard for me to tell what is character-driven. For instance, I still have no idea who Cane is supposed to be, so should I say that his (or his doppleganger’s) return from the dead is character-driven, or that Lily clinging to him is character-driven (since that’s what she does)? Is Malcolm and Neil being torn between the latest woman who has no purpose beyond them character-driven or is it just that’s all the show ever cares about doing? Is it in character for Sharon to have a breakdown (again) and only find salvation in a man (again) or is it just the only story Y&R wants to tell for her? I don’t know anything about Tucker, or this Diane recast, or how we’re supposed to feel about Adam that day. Log in to Reply SoapActor May 6, 2011 GH is staying STEVE BURTON just resigned. Log in to Reply from NC May 6, 2011 [quote=SoapActor]GH is staying STEVE BURTON just resigned.[/quote] Nice try, Steve Burton tweeted yesterday that he just signed another 1 year contract. Log in to Reply SoapActor May 6, 2011 DUH that means GH is on for another year …. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 6, 2011 from NC is right. He signed on for ONE YEAR. Ravenbeauty gave the show ONE YEAR months ago. Burton isn’t going anywhere. Even if he said 2 years, Disney can’t be trusted. Just ask the AMC cast who uprooted their entire lives for a year to Los Angeles. Log in to Reply giogio May 6, 2011 Burton re-signing means nothing. Frons and Abc cannot be trusted – the shows are going. Log in to Reply from NC May 6, 2011 [quote=GHfan-4now]from NC is right. He signed on for ONE YEAR. Ravenbeauty gave the show ONE YEAR months ago. Burton isn’t going anywhere. Even if he said 2 years, Disney can’t be trusted. Just ask the AMC cast who uprooted their entire lives for a year to Los Angeles.[/quote] Exactly! Log in to Reply giogio May 6, 2011 If I were any of those actors in all three shows I would be having an attorney looking at my contract to see if I can get out of it if I want. Because I would be looking for something else. I would not stay there knowing any second I can get shot in the foot. They should all leave. I dont want to see them go, but Id be happy to if I knew they were able to pick up from this with another job. Log in to Reply SoapActor May 6, 2011 lol noone is going anywhere… unless these die hard fans are throwing in the towel with their rallys and protests… Log in to Reply JAQ May 6, 2011 giogio-Does she not snort???? The beginning of the end was bringing her back to GH. It cost the show alot of money $) . They also cut great actors from the show because the focus was on that 12 year old SUPER MODEL wanna be. How do you kill the future of GH?? (Jake?) Not only that, but think of the brilliant storylines that could have emerged even now for him! Kill a baby? What kind of sick f**ks are these?? I LOVE GH. I think SB, MB, LW, AG, JE, AG, JJ, NLG, etc….are all very good in their roles. However GH wants to end this show. So if anyone thinks the writing is going to get better, then I want whatever it is they are smoking. My hope (dream) for this show, is some network come along NOW, buy it, hire new writers, and away we go!!!!!!!! :beer: Sorry for the rant, but I felt you could handle it! lol Log in to Reply js3557 May 6, 2011 I think the confusion was between re-signed and resigned. I think NC thought that SoapActor meant resigned as in quit, whereas I think SoapActor meant re-signed his contract. Anyway…Burton re-signing means next to nothing. They announced recently that a writer had signed a multi-year deal to write either AMC or OLTL (forget which), and then they cancel both shows. The contract is only worth anything if the show is still on the air. Log in to Reply JAQ May 6, 2011 [quote=giogio]If I were any of those actors in all three shows I would be having an attorney looking at my contract to see if I can get out of it if I want. Because I would be looking for something else. I would not stay there knowing any second I can get shot in the foot. They should all leave. I dont want to see them go, but Id be happy to if I knew they were able to pick up from this with another job.[/quote] Not sure what is going on with AMC/OLTL but on GH the actors ARE looking to leave by the end of THIS year.. JJ, JB, JE, AG want OUT. I am sure AG doesn’t want another job, however, these other ones are still young, and NEED a job. With OLTL & AMC ending, the pickings just got slimmer. Log in to Reply from NC May 6, 2011 [quote=js3557]I think the confusion was between re-signed and resigned. I think NC thought that SoapActor meant resigned as in quit, whereas I think SoapActor meant re-signed his contract. Anyway…Burton re-signing means next to nothing. They announced recently that a writer had signed a multi-year deal to write either AMC or OLTL (forget which), and then they cancel both shows. The contract is only worth anything if the show is still on the air.[/quote] You’re right, that is what I thought the poster wrote / meant. Anyway, I agree a signed contract is not any type of guarentee that the show will continue…even for another year….we have learned our lesson the hard way…as did those on AMC and OLTL. Log in to Reply josser May 6, 2011 And even if Burton signed for another year, that doesn’t mean that GH will be on the air for a year. Look at the actors at AMC and OLTL, don’t you think that many of them have contracts that don’t expire until after the shows’ cancellation dates? Standard actor’s contract allows for dismissal every 13 weeks. We’re all disposable employees except upper management. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 6, 2011 giogio, JAQ’s right and I just learned that people from OLTL are looking to get out left and right too before the final gavel strikes. (please don’t listen to folks otherwise, some of this stuff is coming straight from them. all we have to do is listen and read their interviews. not to mention, people like Ravenbeaty and Coggie have their sources.) Bottom line is, some folks want out, but storywise, they can’t leave yet. Some folks are being let out early at their request. It’s just a mess for the folks behind the scenes, which is why when folks aren’t direct, like Strasser and Hickland and Ilene Kristen who basically tell it like it is about what goes on, what they know and what they don’t know, we get misinformation. Or liars like Frons and his minions… [quote] They announced recently that a writer had signed a multi-year deal to write either AMC or OLTL (forget which), and then they cancel both shows. The contract is only worth anything if the show is still on the air. [/quote] I’m pretty sure it was AMC. They said multi-year deal for Kreizman and Swajeski when they started in March of last year, and now they’re out and we’ve got Lorraine and they touted the same thing–multi-year deal. Folks got happy. Then a few weeks later, AMC’s cancelled. Before that even came down the pike, on the very same day I got stupidly happy like everyone else, I trotted my tail to the usual sources–Ravenbeauty, Coggie–who said she was basically being brought in to help “finish” the show with Agnes. And when the show got cancelled, that’s exactly what we heard. Once again, Frons, Disney, CANNOT be trusted. And neither can the sudden burst of ‘randoms’. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 6, 2011 [quote] So if anyone thinks the writing is going to get better, then I want whatever it is they are smoking. [/quote] Pass the pipe. :bigsmile: [quote] We’re all disposable employees except upper management. [/quote] Exactly. Nail on the head. Log in to Reply JAQ May 6, 2011 4now..thank you for backing me up here. It is a mess behind the scenes at these 3 soaps. A MESS! I do know that Raven stated that NBC wanted a list of the TOP performers of all 3 soaps. But how many openings can they have?? I don’t follow AMC. So honestly I don’t know about their status with anything. OLTL will leave with CLASS. Their brilliant writing will continue until it can’t anylonger. (that make sense?) A actor who wants to continue with their career in this industry will want out ASAP. Same with GH. I hold no value in what SB tweeted. Actually I think its crappy. He was ‘asked’ by the ‘GOONS’ to do so, because of all the publicity yesterday. He turned into a YES MAN for them! Log in to Reply JAQ May 6, 2011 Ditto #43! Who said it came in ‘pipe’ form?? Log in to Reply keanna May 6, 2011 As always JAQ and GHfan-4Now, you guys are on the money my friends!!!! :beer: :beer: I totally agree that it is a mess behind the scenes on all three shows.I heard that at AMC Lorraine Broderick and Agnes Nixon have a list of actors they have contacted to come back besides CM and TK and that I wouldn’t be shock if some that are on now are let go and we might read about in the next few weeks. OLTL, Same thing, I have no doubt that Ron C. has a list his own of people he would love to bring back. He’ll make sure it goes out on a high as well. GH, As much as I love SB and that he has resigned, I doubt GH will last that whole year, actors want out, the writing is bad, and that shows are already rumored to fill that time slot. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 6, 2011 Thank you keanna, totally agree with you! As always, :beer: :beer: ! And you’re welcome, JAQ, because just like you and keanna said, the writing is bad for GH and it is indeed a mess. There is a reason the ratings go down or remain as is. People are trying to support the show, but it is hard, and no one knows that better than regular viewers. Pass the pipe indeed! OLTL is the real shame, here. That show’s so good, it curls my hair without rollers, :LOL: ! And when it’s all said and done, at least we know the vets will be featured and not shoved aside. Log in to Reply Cyberologist May 6, 2011 I believe it was Carlivati who signed a lucrative contract only for his show to be cancelled a contract isn’t a sign that the show will exist for a year it just means “if it does” he has a contract. What has tuned me out of GH is pretty much what Stephen Martines confirmed in his BuzzWorthy podcast. He said GH writes characters (vets) in the ground to so their favorite can shine… What has done it for me is the “politics” behind the stories..e.g.,.Elizabeth Webber has been written like sheer shit for years with some of the worse dialog I’ve “ever” experienced on a soap. while I see other characters skate. The killing of Jake was said to make way for a Jason’s new baby Frons vanilla “IT” couple that “gets the writing”. I’m done with this show period and it feels good. That’s not the only thing of course but just recently I returned to GH only to witness some of the sloppiest political agenda storytelling…and dialog I’ve “ever” witnessed. I am not a bit surprised fans are tuning out of GH tell a good story (not a stunt-a-sweep) fans will be all over it. I’m not saying politics is not involved in all soaps but at least its not blatant on the screen. I’m enjoying Y/R, B/B/DOL… yes they have issues as all shows do but at least I can watch them. I don’t watch ABC period. Any network that will allow a misogonystic idiot in charge of a division is not the network for me. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 6, 2011 What has tuned me out of GH is pretty much what Stephen Martines confirmed in his BuzzWorthy podcast. ********** That interview was an eye opener. Not that we didn’t already know they operated like that, but the continued audacity of how people are treated and that they just keep getting away with it. SMDH. Log in to Reply keanna May 6, 2011 You’re welcome, GHfan-4Now!!!! :beer: :beer: It is a real shame about OLTL, it is the best ABC soap if not the best soap overall now, a real shame!!! Log in to Reply appleridge May 6, 2011 Seriously Soap actor Contracts Have 13 weeks Out so SB renewing Means NADA. GH Is Dead. It May Last til Fall 2012 But It Replaced By either KC Or something else. I Think its safe to assume BF wants soaps gone and wouldnt Mind Putting someone reading the phonebook in GH’s slot if it meant saving ABC Money. Log in to Reply samIShot May 6, 2011 So SB signed another year? You don’t think people at OLTL are under contract past January 2012? That means nothing! As for OLTL, since im sure it won’t be saved, i hope the show ends with Viki and Clint getting remarried, and bringing back as many characters as they can storylinewise. That wedding can have 200 characters at it. Log in to Reply appleridge May 6, 2011 Of all The ABC Soaps, OLTL Still does Big Group Scenes & They Do Them The Best. IMHO Log in to Reply curacaoman May 6, 2011 Let me be totally honest. If Frons were to come out and say they are cancelling GH and keeping OLTL I would not mind at all! GH is UNWATCHABLE! Log in to Reply pumpkin May 7, 2011 Steve Burton signing has nothing to do with whether the show stays. Ask all former fans of ATWT/GL or for that matter, OLTL/AMC How many times can they repeat the nonconformist story of Luke or the Sonny throwing furniture. The writing and characters on that show are terrible. Log in to Reply JAQ May 7, 2011 [quote=keanna]As always JAQ and GHfan-4Now, you guys are on the money my friends!!!! :beer: :beer: I totally agree that it is a mess behind the scenes on all three shows.I heard that at AMC Lorraine Broderick and Agnes Nixon have a list of actors they have contacted to come back besides CM and TK and that I wouldn’t be shock if some that are on now are let go and we might read about in the next few weeks.[/quote] Thanks Keanna…I wish I was ‘on the $) What do you mean a list of actors to come back?? You mean if the show gets picked up again?? Who is CM & TK? ? I know 2 months ago, OLTL made a list of who was being ‘let go’ this was before they were cancelled. I am wondering now, if they are still sticking to that or changing things so the actors can work longer?? Log in to Reply JAQ May 7, 2011 Good Post 4now. OLTL will write its best, and will show nothing but class until the very end. The point they do feature their vet stars, reminds the long time viewers of the ‘history’ of these people with the show. That is the KEY to the show’s success. IMO Why can’t GH follow suit??? If I had to listen to one more SNORT today, or her mouth going 100 miles an hour I was going to jump out the window to get away from Brenduh! What is she on that she talks soo fast?? Log in to Reply JAQ May 7, 2011 [quote=GHfan-4now]What has tuned me out of GH is pretty much what Stephen Martines confirmed in his BuzzWorthy podcast.**********That interview was an eye opener. Not that we didn’t already know they operated like that, but the continued audacity of how people are treated and that they just keep getting away with it. SMDH.[/quote] Who is Stephen Martines and what was said?? Log in to Reply giogio May 7, 2011 Oh God Jaq- I didnt see it yet but I am on the floor laughing with your snort talk Log in to Reply JAQ May 7, 2011 [quote=giogio]Oh God Jaq- I didnt see it yet but I am on the floor laughing with your snort talk[/quote] Ohh she wasn’t laughing today. Oh no. She was just talking and snorting. And wait until you see how fast she talks. And Sonny went from calling Lucurne ‘the boy’ to ‘the kid’ OYYYYYYYY Vey!!!!! J) Log in to Reply giogio May 7, 2011 I will come back on this post after I watch it. Yea she goes off a mile a minute and Sonny dosen’t know how to act. Babe – Log in to Reply giogio May 7, 2011 *That was for JAQ – (#61) Log in to Reply holdyoear May 7, 2011 What do you expect. You killed Jake off.. Guza, this is just the beginning. Watch what happens next. Log in to Reply keanna May 7, 2011 I’m sorry, JAQ, I forgot you said you don’t watch AMC, I mean people like Cady McClain (Dixie) and Thorsten Kaye (Zack), I mean other actors like David Canary (Adam) and Julia Barr (Brooke), people like that. We’ll see about who gets let go on OLTL and who they bring back. Also, you’re welcome, JAQ!!! Log in to Reply JAQ May 7, 2011 [quote=giogio]*That was for JAQ – (#61)[/quote] I got it! :beer: Like 4now says, BABE is a PIG. That is the only BABE we know. Oink Oink. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 7, 2011 [quote=JAQ] Who is Stephen Martines and what was said?? [/quote] He was Nikolas #2. Around the time Jacob Young was Lucky #2. Here is a link to the interview. It’s almost an hour long: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/buzzworthyradio/2011/05/04/stephen-martines He basically was treated like shyte and doesn’t respect Guza, Phelps, or Frons and says why. One example is after taking the 40th anniversary pic with the cast, he was told in a cab ride right after the pic was taken that he was fired. It’s some other stuff he said, about how he was treated and how they dragged out his contract negotiations but was fired anyway, and how wrong and ridiculous it was about the vets being pushed out–something we’ve been saying for a long time now. It was an insightful interview about his time spent there. I hope you get to listen! Log in to Reply sassysdreams May 7, 2011 The Neilsen system is never going to convince me that these numbers make any sense!! For 21,000 people (boxes) to be deciding what 300 MILLION people are watching and should be watching is just RIDICULOUS!!! These numbers are are bunch of BS in my opinion!!!!! |( |( |( Log in to Reply appleridge May 7, 2011 These Are My Thoughts On Daytime Drama’s At This Point and I dont mean to sound harsh so please forgive me Just because we dont boycott ABC & Disney doesnt mean we want the genre dead but it its current Model Its Gonna Die. Soaps Have Been Losing Audience Since The Mid 90’s Look It Up. Ratings are available to look at. Soaps used To get Double digit Household ratings Now They Get 3.5 HH at the Most and That Rating canceled soaps back in the 80’s 90’s. So Audience has been eroding for years going bu Nielsen. Yes Nielsen is outdated But until they replace It Its all we have to go by. Disney is a billion dollar WORLD Wide Business Not Just The US. Im sorry But even if we got the 5 Millon that watch AMC/OLTL according to Nielsen to Never Go To Their Parks That would Not Be a Huge Dent Calling advertisers has not worked so far. We Have seen Some Great Responses But Nothing definite Just Spin. Yes Hoover Backed Out But They Pulled Their 353, 000.00 that they spend on Ads At ABC. 243,000 went to daytime But they Pulled all Their Ad Money. So First Off They Pulled ads from daytime which means they are not supporting the daytime dramas as they say. This was total PR. They Used The Fans Grief To sell More Vacums. Also The amount they spend on ADS is small potatoes to ABC. Its Not Gonna Affect Them Now Im Not saying Dont speak Your Mind But realize That Not everyone will follow You and deals with these Cancelations in their own way. I Hope that if protests continue we stay civil and polite. Then If The end result stays the same, I Hope we just support the shows, stars, crew and enjoy them while we have them. Soaps Need To Move Into Primetime Like 7pm and become Nightly, Monday-Friday 13 week 65 episode Telenovelas. I Want Soaps To Survive but the current Model Is the issue Not Fans seeing Reality. By Moving these shows to 7pm more people will be home to watch them live and the numbers could be higher . They Could Take Soap characters From Canceled soaps and put thenm together in these 13 week stories. The show could be an anthology called, “New Beginnings”. We have could have One Arc Be That Nick Davis Leaves Erika Kane a cosmetics company but she has to deal with a partner, Lucy From GH & PC. When That Arc Finishes They Can do 13 week story where Cruz From Santa Barbara Runs Into His Long thought Dead Wife Eden Who Has amnesia. He Then Tries To get her to remember him. The Next One Could Be That Trisha Alden Returns To Cornith with Her Memory and Rebuilds The Alden Name. Tucker, Cooper, Ally & Their Kids Join Her. The Final Arc Of The First Season Could Be Rachel Cory About To Retire & A Fight Ensues Within Cory Publishing For The company. Then the next year 4 more 13 week arcs. You Produce them all from the same Studio In NYC with the same Crew But each arc have different Producers and writers who are familar with the history of the characters . Log in to Reply jmoney May 7, 2011 It’s quite simple, really. The shows are dying because people stopped watching. And so if they decide to fire Frons and Guza it won’t be until after the soaps are gone anyway. For a bunch of people who claim to love soaps, ya’ll can’t seem to grasp one simple fact. We are at the point now, where if you want to save GH, you need to turn your TVs on, period. Don’t be so blind to the simple solution that it costs us our soap. These shows are being canceled because it doesn’t make sense to invest a fortune into a show that is going to pull less than a 2.0, when they can create a show that will draw that, and cost infinetly less. If you really want GH on the air, and give it any chance at all to improve, we have to turn the TVs on. But, that’s the problem, everyone is so stubborn, they fail to see the point. Spare me, when you’re all mourning GH’s cancellation, because we could have done something about it. The only thing ABC cares about at this point is the bottom line, it’s all about the M-O-N-E-Y. TV shows that make money will stay on the air. In order to justify further investment in GH, the rating MUST RISE NOW! If, we’re not ready to commit to that now, we better embrace Katie Couric! Log in to Reply appleridge May 7, 2011 All Broadcast Nets Care about Is Money & That Is Their Bottom Line Thats why something Like I Laid Out In Post #68 Could work On A Cable Station In The Early Evening 7pm time slot. Yes It wouldnt be the shows as we know them now but it would keep the genre alive. We Just Need a cable network CEO with Deep Pockets to Take A Risk On This & Im Sure Itll Pay Off Log in to Reply from NC May 7, 2011 Thanks Ghfan77 and Giogio, RE: My post # 19 It just all seems so clear and cut and dry to me. I guess that’s why I could not help my rant after reading Jamey’s column. Chalk it up to the culmination of weeks of reading articles from sources pondering “what happened to GH,” or soap outlets being complacent and allowing ABC to spin the issue with bogus articles, etc.,” and not being able to stand it anymore. lol Log in to Reply from NC May 7, 2011 Jamey…really? You are honestly asking why people have tuned out of GH…. You write a weekly column about soaps which implies that you both watch them and are up on at least some of the inside scoop and you still seem surprised that people are tuning out of GH…I’m honestly confused by your confusion. Let me state it as plainly as I know how….people are tuning out because they finally know the truth, they now understand why all their countless letters, phone calls, board comments, and general pleading for the last 3 plus years have gone unheeded. They understand why Guza, who drones on and on like a delusional fool endlessly gushing about the love by all for his vision of GH when all indications support the opposite feeling by fans/ viewers. Let us get real here shall we, Guza has benefited from superior actors, fan loyalty, and most especially a desire from the higher ups to find a way to minimize viewership in order to cancel the show. How else do you explain getting rid of beloved characters, totally disregarding history, focusing on characters that are in constant need of propping, along with their storylines, and disregarding to the extreme what fans are asking for? …. Anyone not getting that at this point is truly living on another planet or purposely turning a blind eye for their own agenda. I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature and I actually came late to the whole ABC soap drama that is unfolding (no pun intended) but it only took me 3 months to get up to speed on what is going on here. ABC does not want to be in the soap business and so wants to find a way to get out. To that end, they allow Guza, with the support of Frons and Sweeney, to kill the show through mismanagement and bad writing….end of story. P.S. Are you really telling me that you think trying to fire an actress like Rebecca Hurbst with such a large fan base was a savvy business move? Not to mention succeeding in killing off her child, the only remaining link to her and the baby’s father who together make up one of the most loved and still sought after ex super couple with another huge fan base, was a move that would be seen as positive for future ratings….really. If this is not proof of their intentions, I do not know what is. What savvy business owner would set about to purposely alienate a large portion of their “customer” base…,the answer, one that did not want to be in business anymore. Why are people tuning out…because they know that there is no hope for GH, whether it is “saved” for now or not… Who wants to watch something they once loved die such a slow cruel death and not be able to do anything about it. Viewers now know there is nothing they can do.. Log in to Reply sassysdreams May 7, 2011 jmoney – Would you please explain to me what good it does for all of us to turn on our tv sets when the only ones that count are the 21,000 homes that have a Neilsen box? ABC doesn’t know if we’re watching our soaps or not and they don’t give a damn! They only care what 21,000 people are watching and not the other 300 MILLION or so!!! Log in to Reply giogio May 7, 2011 sassydreams – I dont know what that means. If they are going by 21,000 people than how come we see ratings for some shows in the millions. I remember 24 and Lost and other night time shows were in the millions. Where did those numbers come from. Ive been trying to find out, but Ive not gotten an answer. Log in to Reply appleridge May 7, 2011 each 1000 people count for so many million or something like that Log in to Reply JAQ May 7, 2011 Someone explained it to me like this: Let’s say we watch or dvr GH on Monday. Signals are sent out that the channel and show was playing. Somehow they can determine if we watch those shows within 48 hours of airtime. If so, they get credit. If not, and they watch on the weekends or whenever, the show gets no credit. This all is calculated to Nielsen. I don’t believe you need a box of any kind from them. When the story broke about Jake dying, alot of people decided to watch GH on YTube so the network (show) wouldn’t get any ratings. Now this is how it was explained to me. NOT saying it is correct. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 8, 2011 [quote=sassysdreams]what good it does for all of us to turn on our tv sets when the only ones that count are the 21,000 homes that have a Neilsen box? ABC doesn’t know if we’re watching our soaps or not and they don’t give a damn! They only care what 21,000 people are watching and not the other 300 MILLION or so!!![/quote] You’re right, sassy, they don’t give a damn, on top of wanting out of the soap biz. Sad. And whether or not I’m watching GH at the time it comes on or on SoapNet at night, won’t matter. To them, I don’t count thanks to a guy named Neilsen. :stare: And money, you’re basically telling us what we’ve ALREADY realized and understood months ago. Many folks are already in the know about GH’s “possible” cancellation, just like we were about AMC/OLTL, and many of us know why. It’s the ACTORS, as usual, who won’t know about the drop until the gavel strikes. So with all do respect, PLEASE. And as far as GH, those who have tuned out have no desire to tune back in, regardless of the outcome. All you have to do is read the posts to understand why. Sad, but true. Dammit, Edited post, lol. Log in to Reply appleridge May 8, 2011 The Protest At The ABC Upfronts Will Have People Telling Sponsors Not To Put Ada On The New prime Time Shows. I Cant Support This Sorry. The new shows Have Crew & Cast Who Had Nothing To Do With Frons Canning AMC & OLTL These People On These Primetime shows also have families and I cant get behind doing something that could screw up their livelyhoods and those of their families. How Is doing this any different Than what Frons Did To The Cast & Crews Of AMC & OLTL? This Doesnt Make Us Better It Puts Us On The Same Level As Frons IMHO. Log in to Reply fmhall18 May 8, 2011 I agree. I don’t think it is fair to target the primetime division. The primetime division has nothing to do with the daytime division. In my opinion, soaps such be on cable exclusively. They will have a better chance of surviving on cable in a different format. With cable networks, soaps can be on primetime and can be rerun at anything. I also don’t blame Katie Couric if General Hospital gets cancelled. I didn’t watch her on the Today show, but I don’t blame her for ABC’s decision. She was not the only person that ABC wanted to give a show to. Aisha Tyler, Tori Spelling, Ashleigh Banfield, and other people were given an opportunity at a show. People going to blame them too for what ABC does. If Katie Couric does get a show, it will probably replace one of the replacement shows, and ABC will give back General Hospital’s time slot to the local stations. Log in to Reply SoapActor May 8, 2011 Hey Everyone I saw this on CATHARINE HICKLANDS FB PAGE REBECCA MARKS at NBC UNIVERSAL IS VERY VERY INTERESTED in TAKING OVER AMC and ONE LIFE TO LIVE SEE I TOLD YOU !!!!! Log in to Reply SoapActor May 8, 2011 Looks like a done deal NBC is taking over ONE LIFE and AMC .. I TOLD YOU EVERYONE, and as for GH, dont know that one . PROBABLY STAY ON ABC, but its not going anywhere, neither show is moving off the air at all! Log in to Reply sassysdreams May 8, 2011 giogio – I hope this answers your question. Nielsen uses a technique called statistical sampling to rate the shows — the same technique that pollsters use to predict the outcome of elections. Nielsen creates a “sample audience” and then counts how many in that audience view each program. Nielsen then extrapolates from the sample and estimates the number of viewers in the entire population watching the show. That’s a simple way of explaining what is a complicated, extensive process. Nielsen relies mainly on information collected from TV set meters that it installs, and then combines this information with huge databases of the programs that appear on each TV station and cable channel. To find out what people are watching, meters installed in the selected sample of homes track when TV sets are on and what channels they are tuned to. A “black box,” which is just a computer and modem, gathers and sends all this information to the company’s central computer every night. Then by monitoring what is on TV at any given time, the company is able to keep track of how many people watch which program. This research is worth billions of dollars. Advertisers pay to air their commercials on TV programs using rates that are based on Nielsen’s data. Programmers also use Nielsen’s data to decide which shows to keep and which to cancel. A show that has several million viewers may seem popular to us, but a network may need millions more watching that program to make it a financial success. That’s why some shows with a loyal following still get canceled. A major criticism of the measuring system itself is that it fails the most important criterion of a sample: it is not random in the statistical sense of the word. A small fraction of the population is selected and only those that actually accept are used as the sample size. There are 25,000 total American households that participate in the Nielsen daily metered system. The number of U.S. television households as of 2009 is 114,500,000. As a result, the total number of Nielsen homes only amounts to 0.02183% of the total American television households. Compounding matters is the fact that of the sample data that is collected, advertisers will not pay for time shifted (recorded for replay at a different time) programs, rendering the ‘raw’ numbers useless. In many local areas, the difference between a rating that keeps a show on the air and one that will cancel it is so small as to be statistically insignificant, and yet the show that just happens to get the higher rating will survive. As the possible choices increase so does the margin of error resulting from the sampling sizes being too small. Log in to Reply SoapActor May 8, 2011 this is what I saw on her page Let’s all please call Rebecca Marks and let her know how faithful and grateful we will be if she takes over AMC and OLTL for NBC! Rumors are that she is interested! Rebecca Marks, Executive Vice President, NBC Universal Television Group Publicity ( 818/777-3030 ) However since did some research and see that on other message boards was the samething, maybe this is where that person got it , not sure.. so many rumors, not enough facts, etc.. I wish this whole ordeal would just end already ….. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 8, 2011 Provide a link to the page … I follow Cat on twitter and read her blog, no mention of a facebook on her official website in the “connect” section; no mention of NBC on her twitter, blog or website. If she posted it, trust me, it would have been retweeted … what is the link to “her” facebook???? This is the link to her website, for anyone interested: http://www.catherinehickland.com/ Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 8, 2011 provide a link, please. I’m not disputing what you saw, but I would like a link to the page. she has not mentioned having a facebook on her own website, and I would like to read this for myself. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 8, 2011 And I agree, rumors are rampant. If this is true, I can ask her on her twitter, as she is open with fans. Log in to Reply SoapActor May 8, 2011 yeah you can do what you like, its cool But I think this was from a rumor in APRIL.. and a someone saw it and posted it on her wall… that is what I Think.. Well Daytime Emmy Noms come out this WED… should be interesting… What are peoples thoughts, you think AMC and ONE LIFE are going to go off? and GH too? Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 8, 2011 mm-hmm Log in to Reply JAQ May 8, 2011 [quote=GHfan-4now]And I agree, rumors are rampant. If this is true, I can ask her on her twitter, as she is open with fans.[/quote] ASK! ASK! ASK! ASK! or BEG! BEG! BEG! BEG! I realize, only desperate people BEG, but gurl we are desperate! Log in to Reply JAQ May 8, 2011 [quote=GHfan-4now]mm-hmm[/quote] I guess its fair to say this is how rumors get started?? |( Log in to Reply appleridge May 8, 2011 It is on her FB page but it says rumors so nothing new people Log in to Reply JAQ May 8, 2011 I am surfing the net right now. WOW – OLTL has some strong viewers behind them. #2 behind Y&R?? Something tells me, this show isn’t going anywhere. JMO!! (Or wishful thinking) Log in to Reply TV Gord May 8, 2011 This moron posts a 555- number, and you’re still treating him/her as though you should take anything said seriously??? What dreamland are you all living in? Log in to Reply JAQ May 8, 2011 [quote=TV Gord]This moron posts a 555- number, and you’re still treating him/her as though you should take anything said seriously??? What dreamland are you all living in?[/quote] Who?? SoapActor? Log in to Reply TV Gord May 8, 2011 Yep. That’s who posted the 555-number. Those are fictional numbers, used only on fictional TV shows. Right? Log in to Reply appleridge May 8, 2011 correct Log in to Reply giogio May 8, 2011 555-5555??????? — if you have facts, come back with them that are verifiable. if not, no one wants to play silly with you. Log in to Reply JAQ May 8, 2011 555-5555? That’s my number!!! :beer: lol Is that all of you who have been calling me?? :* Just KIDDING!!! Is there a show on TV that doesn’t use the exchange of #555?? Log in to Reply appleridge May 8, 2011 (616) 8955000 Log in to Reply appleridge May 8, 2011 i Just Tried to put my number in here and it came as 555-5555 so maybe u cant post phone numbers Log in to Reply alstonboy4315 May 8, 2011 Posting phone numbers and dates on here doesn’t really work unless you follow certain parameters. If you contact Luke or one of the administrators, they can outline them for you. It usually gives you the “555-5555″ output. Log in to Reply appleridge May 8, 2011 This Is what I dont get about the protests and boycotts. They want ABC To Reverse and Keep Them and say Frons will be fired If They Do. Even If He is Fired, He will be replaced with someone who will do what ABC wants and thats dismantle the soaps more so they cancel them again. ABC is Not gonna Hire back someone who loves daytime Like Angela Shapiro & Mary_alice Dwyer Dobbin. They will hire someone who will do their dirty work. As For Oprah Shes Viewed as the new evil cause she didnt pick up the soaps forget the facts that OWN cant afford them or even that the soaps would not fit the programming on her network, OPRAH never said she was even considering It. But gets Vilified For not saving them. So Stupid. I Honestly expect The same Reaction when Sony/Universial/NBC doesnt take them On and they never even said they were considering it. Just rumors, Nothing concrete. So when this doesnt happen. I expect to hear we need to boycott and protest NBC Universal and Sony Until They take On The Soaps. UGHHH Log in to Reply JAQ May 8, 2011 Apple…abc isn’t going to reverse their decision. Even as ‘dilusional’ as I am, I know that is not going to happen. As far as Oprah goes, obviously she is enduring her own problems with her network. However, my beef with her is when she made the statement on YTube about not picking up the soaps. I thought she was abrupt |( and I thought better of her. She a little sad because the one thing she dipped into isn’t working for her? $) NBC IMO only would be idiots not to at least pick up OLTL. They are #2 right now. There are a ton of supporters out there for this show. I would think it would be a win-win situation for them. No? Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 8, 2011 When you quote him, the # comes up 818 (777) (3030), which is indeed the number for NBC publicity. I don’t take anything anyone on the message boards says at face value, especially at this point and in this regard, but it won’t stop me from questioning where they got their supposed “info” when they post things like that. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 8, 2011 [quote=JAQ][quote=GHfan-4now]mm-hmm[/quote] I guess its fair to say this is how rumors get started?? |([/quote] *********** LOL, you’re absolutely right! That’s why I posted “mm-hmm” w/an eyeroll in my head. This site needs an eyeroll button. Log in to Reply appleridge May 8, 2011 JAQ, I Agree That OLTL is Great But NBC Has days which falcualtes Between a 1.7 and 1.9 HH and so does OLTL. The 2.0’s o late have not been typical for the show unfortunatley and both shows go up and down in that damn demo of 18-49 so given what they are dealing with DAYS I dont seem them picking up either soap and having to deal with that possibilty again Log in to Reply fmhall18 May 8, 2011 I don’t see NBC picking up OLTL or AMC because the local stations will not give NBC back those time slots. Unlike CBS and ABC, when NBC cancelled Passions NBC gave the local stations Passions’ time slot and extend the Today to four hours. A lot of stations don’t even air the 4th hour of Today or they air it in a different time slot sometimes late night. Examples of the local stations moving shows to different times, late night, or not airing them at all are The Edge of Night, Search for Tomorrow, and Guiding Light. Not airing the shows in the time slots or moving them to different time slots led to their downfall. It is not a win for NBC because the local stations will not give up the slots to air OLTL or AMC. Like the networks, local stations also play a role in a show getting renewed or cancelled. If a local station starts moving a show to a different time or not airing it hurts the ratings. Log in to Reply appleridge May 8, 2011 I Forgot That That from ten to one and then from two to six thirty is all NBC affilate Programming & News Log in to Reply fmhall18 May 8, 2011 That’s what I’m talking about. Even if NBC wanted to pick up OLTL and AMC, the local stations will not air them. People forget that local stations play a role in which a show is cancelled or renewed. Local stations moving shows to different times or not airing them at all seal the fate of a lot of daytime soap operas. A lot of soaps were cancelled because of this. I don’t know if that was the reason for OLTL and AMC, but for Guiding Light, Search for Tomorrow, Santa Barbara and others that was the reason. People forget that the local stations drop network daytime shows to air local news or other programs. Log in to Reply JAQ May 8, 2011 Ladies….I hate to say it but you are correct. Log in to Reply SoapActor May 9, 2011 [quote=JAQ]Ladies….I hate to say it but you are correct. :cry:[/quote] I still think a cable network will pick them up.. Daytime Emmys are coming!! Log in to Reply fmhall18 May 9, 2011 I’m a guy. Honest mistake. Log in to Reply JAQ May 9, 2011 [quote=fmhall18]I’m a guy. Honest mistake.[/quote] I apologize. This isn’t the first time I did that on this forum. (to someone else that was a guy) Log in to Reply fmhall18 May 9, 2011 That’s okay. Log in to Reply JAQ May 9, 2011 Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 Im A Guy Too JAQ Log in to Reply JAQ May 9, 2011 NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :O I am so SORRY GUYS!!!! OK so I have insulted 3 guys on here. Still…I LOVE posting to all of you! Log in to Reply fmhall18 May 9, 2011 I’m not a big soap fan, but the all networks use the same excuse when cancelling soaps. People are not watching them. I think that is a lie, and that the networks don’t want to put in the money to save the shows. I used to watch Passions in the summer. Passions was a train wreck of a soap opera, but it was good during the summer months. NBC made the mistake of moving it to Directv. It did well on Directv, but it was cancelled because people would not subscribe to Directv. They should have moved it to a basic cable channel like Lifetime or Oxygen. When Passions moved to Directv the format changed from 5 episodes a week to 4 then 3 in the final months with reruns at night and all week episodes on Fridays or run them as a 65 episode season as telenovelas do. These formats can be applied to the current soap lineup if the networks cared. Log in to Reply giogio May 9, 2011 Im a girl JAQ – everyone – JAQ you are?? I think girl Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 No Worries JAQ Log in to Reply SoapActor May 9, 2011 so I really want to know what you think … do you think AMC and ONE LIFE are going to go off the air or not ….. and GH too..? and what makes you believe what you say ? Log in to Reply gato1 May 9, 2011 There is so much technology now, why aren’t all TVs inserted with a neilsen box? I would def. pay 100$ extra for a TV with one. Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 i Agree At Least Give All TVS That & Let The Owners Decide If They Want To Activate It & Be Counted In The Ratings Log in to Reply JAQ May 9, 2011 Giogio….well I got one right on Sunday!! YES I am a female as well. lol Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 So People want Oprah To Save AMC & OLTL But Will Calling Her A Evil Female Dog Make Her Wanna Help You? Ur Hurting Ur Own Cause. Use Ur Head Log in to Reply from NC May 9, 2011 While I absolutely don’t agree with calling Oprah names, or anyone for that matter as it just serves to weaken the quality of the debate, I have to agree with the frustration by others about the authoritative tone of her message. Oprah’s claim that there is “no Money to be made in producing soaps,” is a very definitive statement and the fact that she went as far as to state so looks more like towing a company line / supporting a hand that may feed you, than an honest and thorough assessment of the situation. I find it interesting that Oprah’s “Own” network that has centered its entire programming on the “self help / Informative” model, is finding itself with continued low viewership numbers and in trouble. Remember this is the type of programming that Frons claimed people were requesting / watching and so his rational for replacing soaps…again, interesting. Maybe Oprah should get her own house in order (pun intended) before making statements about the validity of the decisions of others. Oprah was approached by others to intervene and therefore her giving a response was warranted….I just think she could have kept it to a “sorry, I just can’t do it.” Log in to Reply giogio May 9, 2011 from NC – your right, she should have kept her decline to a just sorry guys I cant do it. But she repeated Frons word for word. Not everyone who has watched the shows for 40 years can understand that people just dont want the shows anymore. Frons, in my opinion, was insensitive to the 40 year plus audience and Oprah repeated what he said. AND whats even worse is that she knows all of those same fans are mourning her departure. Its been like hey, AMC, OLTL, and Oprah are all leaving – sorry folks its over. I dont begrudge Oprah for not being able to take it, it was afterall a longshot, but I didnt like the 2 minute youtube announcement mimicking Brian Frons. Thats how it hit me when I saw it. Log in to Reply JAQ May 9, 2011 FromNC…great post. I couldn’t agree more with every word you posted. :beer: Log in to Reply JAQ May 9, 2011 Giogio..Do I even need to say ‘ditto’?? FYI I am not mourning her leaving her daytime show. I only watched her once a year. Christmas gifts. She was ‘stale’ IMO. Time to exit daytime O. Log in to Reply SoapActor May 9, 2011 Ok everyone ratings are in MAY 2-6 ONE LIFE TO LIVE NUMBER ONE! ALL MY CHILDREN NUMBER 2 and GH #3 SO… I also called that 818 number, and spoke with someone, and they transferred me to a viewers comments line, so there is something about NBC taking over AMC and ONE LIFE TO LIVE…… Log in to Reply SoapActor May 9, 2011 Also SUSAN LUCCI signs with DESPERATE HOUSWIVES announced next week… looks like the shows will be picked up by NBC as well! SO ALL IS SAVED , it appears. Log in to Reply JasamForever May 9, 2011 Okay Soap Actor, who are you and where did you come from? Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 Yes Please Give Me Link To Ratings Since The Networks Dont Even Get Them Til Thursday Log in to Reply giogio May 9, 2011 JAQ – me too. I only watched her when I liked who she had on. And who is this Soap Actor??? He/she, needs to tell us where these all is saved stuff coming from. SOAP ACTOR —- I dont mean to be rude and would really like to hear what you have to say if there is anything to it. But you are giving us spittle that is getting on my last nerve. Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 [quote=SoapActor]Ok everyone ratings are in MAY 2-6 ONE LIFE TO LIVE NUMBER ONE! ALL MY CHILDREN NUMBER 2 and GH #3 SO… I also called that 818 number, and spoke with someone, and they transferred me to a viewers comments line, so there is something about NBC taking over AMC and ONE LIFE TO LIVE……[/quote] Soap Actor Anytime U Call a Corp They always Transfer To The Comment Line This Means Nothing But Seriously If U Have the ratings Please Post Them and I Mean The Link so we can see where u got them from, Your source. Thanks Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 [quote=SoapActor]Also SUSAN LUCCI signs with DESPERATE HOUSWIVES announced next week… looks like the shows will be picked up by NBC as well! SO ALL IS SAVED , it appears.[/quote] Why would Lucci Go To DH If NBC Was Saving AMC. Susan would remain with AMC Makes No Sense. sorry Log in to Reply JAQ May 9, 2011 Soap Actor. WHO are YOU?? If you have nothing concrete to say, go outside and get fresh air. YOu were on Saturday night starting this gossip and were run off the board. Until you can direct us to a site or phone # which verifies what you post, STOP posting!! J) Susan Lucci signing with DH was posted in the spoiler section yesterday. Tell us something new. Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 I Find The Ratings already In Funky Since network Heads Have said They dont Get ratings Til Thursday Log in to Reply JAQ May 9, 2011 And on Thursday last week OLTL #2. NOT #1. I think this person is pulling crap out of his butt. Literally! Log in to Reply SoapActor May 9, 2011 welovesoaps.net ratings and susan lucci being on DH RED CARPET website.. I saw it on FB… Im not making it up ALSO she breaks down somewhat on ET explaining the cancellations….. Log in to Reply giogio May 9, 2011 where soap actor – ET where?? what country???? Log in to Reply SoapActor May 9, 2011 follow susan on twitter, its right there ….. Entertainment Tonight ET Hence NBC coicidence? NOT! AMC and ONE LIFE will be taken over by NBC… too many coicidences ….. Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 Soap Actor What U Saw On We Love Soaps Was ThePoll For Daytime Soap Of The Week (May 2-6) which Readers of The Site Vote On http://www.welovesoaps.net/2011/05/sotwmay6.html The Last Ratings From For The week Of April 29th-May 3 http://www.welovesoaps.net/2011/05/6may2011.html Please soap actor what u said were ratings were not and this has no barring On NBC/Sony deal if there is one I saw the ad For EntertainmentTonight and its about Lucci’s Reaction To AMC Being canned Nothing New at all On the shows being saved but you knew that and just wanted to stir the pot UGHHH Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 9, 2011 :hat: I’m living in the land of OZ with an ungrateful Wizard because Niki Smith keeps posting on this site under an assumed name :davie: Question: Do you post this spiel anywhere else, actor??? Just wondering how we got so damn lucky??? I don’t mean to be a total bitch, but I mean, you are really pushing it each time you post. It’s the same thing over and over, and I have yet to see you posting about the actual SHOWS. About Viki or Erica or Clint or Matthew or Jason or BrenDUH. I assume you watch them (but I do WONDER), but you never talk about them. It’s only that “NBC” is supposedly taking them over. And Guiding Light is on Lifetime like that other ‘guy’ assured us it would be in 2009, just like his ‘contacts’ told him it would be… mm-hmm I honestly don’t know WHY you think someone is going to take the word of someone like you, whom we don’t know from Eve’s garden, over a Michael Logan or Ravenbeauty. Honestly, it’s one thing to have faith, but you’re on a totally different level here. Too high to make sense, and too low for me to actually respect. Log in to Reply giogio May 9, 2011 Right GH Fan – And we’re not playing anymore reindeer games with him/her. So Soap Actor, show your supposed proof or take a hike. Log in to Reply appleridge May 9, 2011 GH Fan & giogio Look Im Post 142 SoapActor was Looking at a poll Of Most watched soap for may2-6 on we love soaps as ratings. I Posted a link to the poll results I also Posted the limk to last week ratings for april 29-May 3 The Ratings For May 2-6 Dont come out til sometime Thursday Log in to Reply JAQ May 9, 2011 Go get ‘em GH4now-Take them out of the world of OZ :davie: Time for them to head on back to Kansas. The only truth there is with Susan Lucci. I posted it OUR spoiler section Saturday night. Soapperson, until you have PROOF of a soap getting picked up, make yourself scarce!! J) Log in to Reply SoapActor May 9, 2011 I stand corrected, I read it wrong, but for all your info I am not on here to stir up trouble at all… You can choose to believe that or not .. I m trying to stir up FAITH , and have faith .. So I read something wrong … I was merely saying NBC had susan lucci 2x now ….. Interesting I find it …. but again , its just me saying it , I never said its a done deal, well yes I did , that was me having faith in the genre…. I still have faith NBC will take over the two shows…No more on KATIE COURIC rumors, so that is good. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 9, 2011 agreed, giogio and JAQ! And I still think Niki Smith is upon us, lol. :davie: Or maybe the teenaged Tommy. No, Tori was the one wrecking hovack, correct??? lol And thank you appleridge for providing those links in your post. I wondered about ‘actors’ post of the ratings and was sure they hadn’t come out for last week yet, so I clicked on the links you provided. No doubt in my mind that you were right! actor, your name should have told me something anyway. Actors are always the last to know the drop when it comes to their shows. No wonder. Listen, it’s one thing to have faith, but you’re being ad nauseam saying that the shows WILL be saved. Have faith in your heart, but do us a favor and keep it off the boards for awhile. Because if you haven’t caught on, the ‘spiel’ rubbing people the wrong way. Log in to Reply SoapActor May 9, 2011 NO, the shows will be saved, think about it… someone is going to take them over, too many fans are fighting , and they love that …. something about a todays show invasion, havent heard…. but just watch ….. Im not trying to stir up trouble, and I read the ratings wrong, excuse me …. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 9, 2011 And… SCENE! I toss up my hands. I’m done. Someone else want to take it over??? Log in to Reply from NC May 10, 2011 I’m gong to go out on a limb here and give Soapactor the benifit of the doubt and assume that he or she is just misguided and so has let this cloud their judgment. Soapactor – I don’t want to speculate but perhaps you are new to the boards and do not understand who it is you are dealing with… Many of your fellow posters are long time soap fans / followers and so possess what can only be described as masters degrees when it comes to all thing “their” soap as well as all information related to it. (I can no be counted amoung them but have witnessed it first hand and so bow to their greater knowledge) These folks know the ins and outs and so have the same expectation of anyone who posts. While they are very leinent when it comes to discussing or debating characters etc. they are not when it comes to bringing or sharing information about subjects related to the current state of the Genre etc. Simply put, you need to be careful about posting info. which can not be substantiated or is more about your interpretations of facts then facts themselves. In short, posters expect that info. shared is real and do not want to have to start second guessing….there is a standard. Now, if you are actually some sort of network plant or someone who gets their jollies by starting trouble… I can not offer you any advise except to politely say…you should find another hobby. Log in to Reply TV Gord May 10, 2011 Soap Actor, you may think you’re spreading “faith”, but it comes across as “false hope”, and no one is really in the mood for that these days… Log in to Reply giogio May 10, 2011 Hey Gord – how it going?? Im not getting false hope. And neither is anyone else on this board. We did, however, get false hope when his first post on April 25th came out, which was also the day he became a member. But since then we have tried to ask him where he was getting his scoop and we never got a straight answer, so I believe we all know where he is coming from. Its just cramping our style because we get on here when we have a free minute and than we are faced with, well, you know. NC you’re right what you said about many of us having a master degree in soaps. I have a PHD, since I remember Nikki Smith being played when I was 5 by Gillian Spencer. We tried at may times thru out the last few weeks to be nice, some days we are just not in the mood. Thanks for trying to help us out. Log in to Reply giogio May 10, 2011 Hey Gord – how it going?? Im not getting false hope. And neither is anyone else on this board. We did, however, get false hope when his first post on April 25th came out, which was also the day he became a member. But since then we have tried to ask him where he was getting his scoop and we never got a straight answer, so I believe we all know where he is coming from. Its just cramping our style because we get on here when we have a free minute and than we are faced with, well, you know. NC you’re right what you said about many of us having a master degree in soaps. I have a PHD, since I remember Nikki Smith being played when I was 5 by Gillian Spencer. We tried at may times thru out the last few weeks to be nice, some days we are just not in the mood. Thanks for trying to help us out. Log in to Reply JAQ May 10, 2011 [quote=TV Gord]Soap Actor, you may think you’re spreading “faith”, but it comes across as “false hope”, and no one is really in the mood for that these days…[/quote] Enough said :beer: Log in to Reply JAQ May 10, 2011 There is nothing wrong with hope & faith. However there is a difference between that and posting something that is untrue. Susan Lucci was confirmed Saturday night she was on DH next year. (You were late on that one actor) I don’t care if you are or aren’t an actor. I don’t care what you look like. Unless you have something concrete to say, I will skip over your posts. GH4now tweets, and I believe she will be one of the first to know if the soaps gets picked up. She will let us know if and when that happens. I also have a very close friend of mine who has her own board. I will give out the link. Her board is extremely reputable. We email each other, as we are friends. If something breaks, she will also let me know ASAP http://generalhospital.about.com/?r=9F Log in to Reply giogio May 10, 2011 *correction – I was 15 – had sticky keys. (#154) Log in to Reply JAQ May 10, 2011 Soap wanna be Actor- 1) You must care what us people say or you wouldn’t bother coming on here. 2) You need to learn how to spell. 3) When you come here, with concrete proof of what you are ‘dreaming’ 0:) then we will take you serious. 4) Yes we are fans. What are you?? 5) You also need to learn to read. Nobody is calling Oprah names. The problem was how she expressed her lack of interest in picking up the show. 6) We have other resources. We will wait for them to come here and tell us what has changed. I could care less about ‘wearing egg’ on my face. What about you? You should prepare yourself for wearing egg. WHY am I even bothering responding to a moron with a filthy disresectful mouth & attitude?? Shows how much CLASS you have. Or lack of. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 10, 2011 Whoop! I stopped reading post #158 when you told us not to blame Brian ‘Serial Killer’ Frons for everything. Now I REALLY know what’s up, lol! :LOL: That said, awesome post, JAQ! I don’t think I could have composed myself to say the right words, lol! Log in to Reply JAQ May 10, 2011 [quote=GHfan-4now]Whoop! I stopped reading post #158 when you told us not to blame Brian ‘Serial Killer’ Frons for everything. Now I REALLY know what’s up, lol! :LOL: That said, awesome post, JAQ! I don’t think I could have composed myself to say the right words, lol![/quote] Is this GOOF living in lala land?? 0:) He is a ‘wanna be’ actor. Didn’t we all want to be one when we were 10?? Log in to Reply appleridge May 10, 2011 GL, ATWT, AW, Edege Of Night, Search For Tomorrow, The Doctors, & Love Of Life Were also On a long time and their years on the air didnt keep them on the air Log in to Reply TV Gord May 10, 2011 This is changing the subject a little (which, all things considered, is not necessarily a bad thing at this point) ;-), but I just noticed that Susan Lucci is on The View tomorrow (Wednesday). Log in to Reply appleridge May 10, 2011 Yeah That should be good Log in to Reply TV Gord May 10, 2011 Ha ha. Do I note a hint of sarcasm? Yes, it will probably be a lot of the same old party line garbage, but it’s live TV and maybe something will slip out. I would be nice to hear from her directly that she’s going to be doing Desperate Housewives, because that really hasn’t been confirmed (although some people think it has). I’m anxious to hear what she has to say. Actually, Whoopi seems to be off this week, so maybe they’ll have Susan sit in as a co-host (as they did today with Teri Hatcher). Log in to Reply SoapActor May 10, 2011 NO KATIE on ABC, THE SHOWS LIVE ON !!!!!!! AND ALL YOU HIGHER THAN THOU STICK UP YOUR ASSES CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF IN WEEKS OR DAYS AHEAD… Log in to Reply appleridge May 10, 2011 Just because katie may not go to abc means nothing and until u can show proof that their is talk of these shows going anywhere its Hard To believe sorry Log in to Reply JAQ May 11, 2011 Katie not going to abc is mute in regards to the shows being cancelled. This wanna be actor has no clue what he/she are talking about. Other than making a fool of themselves here, I see no purpose to their posts. Log in to Reply GHfan-4now May 11, 2011 Didn’t we all want to be one when we were 10?? ************** lol, yes. Then we grew up, got real jobs, got our own lives, and stopped cursing out strangers over the internet thinking we one upped them. Validation for some, padded room for others. :bigsmile: Log in to Reply JAQ May 11, 2011 [quote=GHfan-4now]Didn’t we all want to be one when we were 10??**************lol, yes. Then we grew up, got real jobs, got our own lives, and stopped cursing out strangers over the internet thinking we one upped them. Validation for some, padded room for others. :bigsmile:[/quote] :beer: :bigsmile: Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.