Dear Susan Lucci, My Only Agenda Is Saving Soaps





Daytime superstar Susan Lucci visited The Talk on Thursday and got fans buzzing about the possibility of All My Children continuing on another network. Before that, she mentioned not believing the AMC cancellation rumors initially because they came from a blogger, who she thought had a "negative agenda." As the blogger most likely in question, Ms. Lucci I must respectfully say, my only agenda has always been helping to save the soaps.


Like millions of soap fans, I adore these serials. Their characters are like family to me; their amazing stories, like treasured heirlooms. The not-so-great tales are like any family secrets, painful, and I'd like to forget them if at all possibly, but some drunk relative keeps bringing them up at the Fourth of July barbecue.

Ms. Lucci, growing up in a sports-obsessed town, straight out of Friday Night Lights, an overweight black kid who would rather read Soap Opera Weekly than play center on his high school football team wasn't in danger of winning any popularity contests.  Soaps were my salvation until I could save myself by heading off for college to pursue a writing and broadcasting career.

While most of my peers at Southern Arkansas University were inspired by great writers like Samuel Clemens, Charles Dickens, Berstein and Woodward, I wanted to be the next Agnes Nixon or Bill Bell. This was a fact that netted me more than my fair share of eyerolls, smirks and giggles, but I didn't care. I knew soaps had the same transformative power of the best newspaper articles, plays or movies, because they had transformed me from someone who felt painfully unworthy, because I couldn't hit a fastball like one of my cousins— nor did I want to—into someone who believed I could escape small towns and small minds to lead a fabulous life full of romance, career success and the occasional battle with a Sweeps month serial killer.

Have I been highly critical about AMC's storytelling in recent years? Absolutely. I've been hyper critical of all bad soap stories, because I've born witness to the amazing sagas this genre can tell, as have my droves of readers and podcast listeners.

I would debate the snobbiest of film or theatre buffs on the social themes, characterization and acting chops displayed in such stories as Cindy Chandler's (Ellen Wheeler) battle with AIDS and prejudice in Pine Valley or Bianca Montgomery's (Eden Riegel) coming out. I'd even defend the splashy, escapist romance of Erica Kane and her Hungarian count Dimitri Marick (Michael Nader), or the delicious, melodramatic villainy of Erica's badseed daughter Kendall Hart (Sarah Michelle Gellar, Alicia Minshew), and the campy hijinks of Opal (Jill Larson) and Palmer (the late James Mitchell), which is why stories about poisoned pancakes and unaborted fetuses made the whites of my eyes go black. 

Never have I once criticized All My Children's veteran cast for the state the show was in. Although I have blasted TIIC's penchant for putting vapid newbies front and center at the expense of said veterans, such as yourself, Debbi Morgan, David Canary, Michael E. Knight, etc.

Have I reported on AMC executive producer Julie Hanan Caruther's inability to bring this show in under budget? Of course I have, because it was the truth. Countless sources have detailed to me what a major headache AMC's budgetary woes have been for Disney in recent years. ABC didn't move All My Children across the country for the weather. 

I know Hanan Caruthers is popular with the cast and crew, but in these hard economic times—for all of network TV, not just daytime—it was her task as showrunner to do whatever it took to keep this show financially healthy. She didn't accomplish that. Not that it would have made any difference, since Frank Valentini reportedly has done his job managing One Life to Live's finances effectively and his show is getting the boot as well. 

Ms. Lucci, you've mentioned ABC showing you a document stating AMC's financials were sound, however since the cancellations of AMC and OLTL were announced, Frons himself has said in countless interviews they weren't, so I am puzzled as to what exactly you read on my blog that "wasn't true"? I'm sorry, but once again these people lied to your face.

Back in 2008, I was the first person to report that ABC was forcing its daytime employees to take massive, across the board pay cuts. Mere hours after that report went up, ABC Daytime released a statement to Soap Opera Digest saying what I reported wasn't true. The next day, Agnes Nixon confirmed my story to Advertising Age.

I was also the first to report that All My Children would be moved to Los Angeles. ABC Daytime told Soap Central that report was "rumors that had been in the zeitgeist forever." When the move was announced, just days later, I reported that ABC came dangerously close to cancelling both AMC and OLTL, a fact that was angrily denied to the soap press, including me, in phone conversations with ABC Daytime's Vice-President of Publicity and True Lies Jori Petersen

The PR peeps at ABC Daytime wanted me to be quiet. They even offered me greater access to their stars, interviews, etc. if I would basically just pipe down and be another publicity vehicle for ABC Daytime. As you've probably noticed, much like Julia Roberts' character in Something to Talk About, I have a problem eating poop politely, even for a Kim Zimmer interview.  

Since I broke the story of the AMC move, I've ran numerous reports on Frons' aggressive development of vehicles to replace ABC's soaps—long before the mainstream media decided to go there—hoping that if I got the word out, fans and the industry could fight back a la the efforts to save primetime shows like Chuck and Fringe. Silly Jamey, tricks are for kids.

Over and over again my coverage of the state of ABC Daytime, my calls to action, were dismissed. Then, after Brian Frons broke the hearts of millions of soap fans by announcing the cancellations of two soaps at once, he went to Deadline and in one fell swoop, confirmed each and every expose, rumor report and breaking news item I've reported about ABC Daytime on this blog since 2008.

I am sorry Ms. Lucci, but the agenda you should have been focused on was Brian Frons', not mine. I'm simply a loudmouth, black, overweight fanboy from Texas who didn't want to see his 'stories' go away. I'm not the one with Erica Kane's blood on my hands—Mickey Mouse is.

At any rate, I still love me some Erica Kane and  you, La Lucci, and pray you're right about someone picking up AMC, not to mention OLTL and GH, if and when it comes to that. In the meantime, I'm gonna keep on blogging and keep on watching you both on AMC and in interviews like the one below:



94 Responses

  1. Avatar of GLTURNS70
    GLTURNS70

    Jamey Dont Beat Yourself over someone (with all due respect) didn’t have the galls to stand up to regime that was actively running this EPIC Show into the ground. I respect Susan, Melody, and the other vocal actors but lets be real they have the oppurtunity stand up for theses shows and they can either allow them to be ran in to ground or not.

  2. Avatar of ghaddict
    ghaddict

    My first thought when she said that was “What on earth does she think the agenda is???? the cancellation of soaps is not something you, as a daytime blogger, would want…So what does she think is your or this websites’ motivation….she doesn’t make much sense to me…

  3. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    Very Respectfully Put Jamey. I was attacked On soapcentral Yesterday cause I questioned If Lucci’s comments on the show possibly being saved were sound given that she was the last to know about the cancelation. now I’m being raked over the coals and called a naysayer.

    Jamey However thats what u get when u try and speak about the possible reality of a situation sometimes. Once again, good Job.

  4. Avatar of luverica
    luverica

    Jamey, you by now should know what a HUGE Susan Lucci fan I am but I truly hope that you sent this letter to her. If so, I hope she reads it and reaches out because I thought it was very well written and very true. I’ve been listening to DC Confidential for about 2 years now and I know everything you wrote is the straight forward honest to God truth.

  5. Avatar of janiejay
    janiejay

    Susan Lucci is still just staying with the company line. She wants that job on Desperate Housewives Brian Frons has promised her. Well good luck with that. They are pulling the same crap(going to be picked up by another network)that worked out so well for Guiding Light and As The World Turns.

  6. Avatar of luverica
    luverica

    Plus, can we all agree that The View, particularly Ms. BaBa WaWa, could really give two hoots about the ABC soaps as long as Brian Farts is pulling their puppet strings.

  7. Avatar of josser
    josser

    [quote=appleridge]Very Respectfully Put Jamey. I was attacked On soapcentral Yesterday cause I questioned If Lucci’s comments on the show possibly being saved were sound given that she was the last to know about the cancelation. now I’m being raked over the coals and called a naysayer.

    Jamey However thats what u get when u try and speak about the possible reality of a situation sometimes. Once again, good Job.[/quote]

    Appleridge,

    That’s sad. Given the timing, there’s little hope for another network to pick up AMC. All of the networks released their schedules at the upfronts.

  8. Avatar of east.west
    east.west

    I think now more than ever there needs to be a common ground w/fans, press, and the shows. They need to know that the criticisms (small and extreme) does come from a place of care since we make time to invest and they work had to put out the product.

    We are in a new age and I think think that is what us throwing these actors for a loop (fits into the discourse of the lack of evolution for the daytime soaps). They have been use to so much praise (false and true) from the mags, that they just regulate the Internet to the same bunch of negative complainers.

    Won’t go on b/c it will be an incoherent post of should of and would of b/c it is not healthy especially since the end is inevitable.

  9. Avatar of sunnydays25
    sunnydays25

    Great letter, Jamey…let’s hope someone waves this under her nose!!

    As far as her toeing the company line so she can be on DH…good luck to her! That sucks, too!! It’s like jumping off the Titanic to take a ride on the Lusitania!!

  10. Avatar of alstonboy4315
    alstonboy4315

    My dear Susan Lucci has her facts mixed up, clearly. The only people who have had AGENDAS have been Julie Hanan Carruthers, Megan McTrashy, Chuck Pratt, Killer Kreizman, Swajeski, James Harmon Brown and Barbara Esensten, all of whom have totally TRASHED this show over the past 7 years, showing up SEEMINGLY only to collect a paycheck, while not giving a hot damn about improving this show or treating us to the level of grade A storytelling that we all enjoyed in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

    Getting paid SIX figures a month to produce crap is a dream job, if you can get it.

    I still love Susan, and am not sure where her venom comes from, but I wish she’d get her facts straight and stop blaming the messenger. People who try to ADDRESS the problem should not be vilified. That vilification should be reserved for those who STARTED the problem in the first place.

    But we all know how people like to often blame journalists simply for having an opinion. Heck, many of the posters on this site are guilty of the same thing. The second you post something that they don’t agree with, they are ready to tar and feather you. It’s just not right. Not right at all.

  11. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=giogio]Jamey – that was really beautiful – We all love you.[/quote]

    Who is the male blogger she is referring to?

  12. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    [quote=JAQ][quote=giogio]Jamey – that was really beautiful – We all love you.[/quote]

    Who is the male blogger she is referring to?[/quote]

    DC’s One & Only Jamey Giddens

  13. Avatar of giogio
    giogio

    Jamey, I cant stop thinking of this. I have never – ever read anything you have said to not pan out eventually. I remember how sad you were when these shows were cancelled. I, however, have read from another person info that were gospel and never happened. Maybe its not you Jamey. You never were hateful. Anything you ever said happened word for word. Jamey, unless you know for sure, maybe its not you. You are good at what you do, and Ive never known you spilling beans unless you knew what you were talking about.

  14. Avatar of TV Gord
    TV Gord

    Jamey, I wondered whether she was talking about you when she said that yesterday, but I dismissed you as the prime suspect immediately, because I couldn’t twist my brain in any way that would explain how you had any kind of negative agenda.

    As much as I love Susan Lucci, it’s clear that she speaks the party line (probably with good reason, to help not just herself, but her fellow castmates), so I always taken anything she says with a grain of salt.

  15. Avatar of gato1
    gato1

    Jamey- great article. You pretty much summed up by early school days also. I just realized why I have loved soaps and serials in general for so long. BRAVO!

  16. Avatar of SoapArmageddon
    SoapArmageddon

    From one painfully skinny black kid who couldn’t play sports to an overweight black kid: Jamey, I loved that line, “Soaps were my salvation until I save could myself.”

    They were mine too.

    Susan often comes off as being in a bubble when it comes to her awareness of what is going on with ABC, so I can’t say I’m surprised.

  17. Avatar of Retro
    Retro

    I keep wondering where Jamey is from….

    I’m from Texas also.

    I will miss the soaps terribly. I think all three will be gone eventually and then I will be gone from ABC for good.

    My soaps have gotten me through my teenaged depression years, the long illness and death of a parent, two bad marriages and divorces, and the birth of my first child. I can remember many late nights with my newborn and One Life to Live in the background. I picked the name Caroline for my daughter when I heard Luke call Carly that. I have recorded these soaps and watched when I got home from work for nearly 20 years. I have watched these with my mother and grandmother and now my daughter is starting to watch. She will be too little to remember by the time these go off the air. I feel like I’m losing a good friend. The one stability in my life for 20 years. My escape when sometimes my personal life was going to hell in a handbasket. The one thing I could count on to be always there and always the same.

    Oh yeah. That’s right. Not anymore. I hate you Brian Frons.

  18. Avatar of keanna
    keanna

    As much as I love Susan, she is too often towing the company line. Jamey and other bloggers like him are just saying their opinions and more often than not, the truth.

    Too many people have agendas, maybe if Susan had said something sooner especially after what Pratt did to the show, things would’ve been different.

    Don’t ever change, Jamey!!! We love you and the rest of the DC gang, keep doing what you guys do best!!!!! :) :) :love: :love: :beer: :beer:

  19. Avatar of cheesehead91182
    cheesehead91182

    I can understand Susan Lucci’s point of view because this site has had an agenda for quite awhile now to promote One Life to Live as the greatest thing since sliced bread. You guys would critize the stupidity on AMC but always heaped praise on OLTL. Even in this article you talk about AMC’s EP and their last few HWs having agendas, but what about your boys Valentini and Carlavati? They have been just as destructive to OLTL as any of AMCs EP and HWs. And as AMC and OLTL begin to fade into the sunset AMC is going to go out with a bang with Lorraine Bordderick writing but the same can’t be said for OLTL, Carlavati even said he doesn’t plan on rewriting anything because of the cancelation so OLTL will go out on a crappy note which is too bad because I once loved that show.

  20. Avatar of baffled
    baffled

    Lucci can’t seem to catch a break, no matter what she says. She’s made it pretty clear that the network honchos misled her; but as long as she still has to be “in bed” with them, how much can she afford to trash them? Actors who trash the writing on their own shows usually end up unemployed–like Charlie Sheen; and even he wants his job back, bad writing and all.

    It’s not far-fetched that actors on these shows develop a kind of insular “group think” and paranoia fostered by their bosses as a way to keep control of the PR message fed to the public. Actors are repeatedly told and conditioned to shut up and act; and not try to usurp the role of the writers and producers, who are supposedly skilled at their respective crafts. And if crap writing is successful with the viewing public–again, see the Charlie Sheen mess and his show–then how much leverage will an actor have to change things? Sometimes you allow yourself to be convinced that it’s in your best interest to just go with the flow.

    Is it a coincidence that two actors from the same show attacked ” a blogger with a negative agenda”? Didn’t Ricky Paull Goldin use those exact same words previously? Group think at its most chilling–of course you attack the messenger as a means of keeping control. Like if your best friend tells you your spouse was spotted kissing another; even if you discover it’s the truth, you still hate the messenger for knowing about your humiliation before you did–that’s just human nature in many cases.

    Sometimes truth-tellers don’t reap accolades; they just get kicked in the teeth for their courage. If you’re dedicated to telling the truth; then consequences be damned, you do what you have to do.

  21. Avatar of DaytimeFan0001
    DaytimeFan0001

    I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be to hear that. Everyone knows that Jamey champions this industry. I thought by now Lucci would have her facts more clear.

  22. Avatar of soapbaby
    soapbaby

    Jamey, you also managed to capture the spirit of many a soap fan in your love and commitment to the genre. I am proud of you for standing up for yourself, and, in effect standing up for us fans who love soaps but refuse to sit in the dark.

  23. Avatar of katkit
    katkit

    This site doesn’t speak for all soap fans or the millions of women who have left soaps over the past 10-15 years due to things sites like this voraciously support, the misogynistic writing of Bob Guza and Ron Carvalati and yes even Charles Pratt when he was writing for GH. I stopped watching AMC a while back and while there is a lot to criticize, but they have never degraded women as the writers at GH and OLTL have and are. I cringe when I read how this site and others celebrate Carvalati as great when he writes raperomances, women going crazy over a man as a celebration of good soap.

    If anyone here really cared for these shows, you might ask yourself why while OLTL may have gained 350K viewers from last year, none of these gains are in the key female demos and they have actually lose viewers in the key younger female demo. ANd like it or not women is supposed to be the primary audience for these shows right?

    I don’t know who Lucci was referring to. It could have been Deadline.com who also reported it by the way. And nothing she said was incorrect. This site has has an anti AMC agenda since the wonderboys at OLTL FV and RV took over. If it was this site, I don’t blame her.

    As as for the twitter rants about Lucci not doing what Strasser and Zimmer allededly did to save “their” shows, other than take salary cuts time and time again while others at AMC did not what may I ask was she supposed to do. And what is it exactly Strasser and Zimmer did that she didn’t other than rant and rave. Lucci is one who made me be proud to be a soap fan because she has NEVER taken her agenda or complaints to the press and has handled herself with grace and class. Maybe learn a lesson from her. Ask yourself where your “idols” Strasser and Zimmer will be once OLTL go and where Lucci goes and that will tell you who the one is who managed their career better.

    Oh well diff opinions just needed to share mine.

  24. Avatar of gato1
    gato1

    This site has critizied AMC when it has been BAD. It has been BAD alot of the time in the past few years. No soap gets a free pass here that I have seen.

  25. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    [quote=gato1]This site has critizied AMC when it has been BAD. It has been BAD alot of the time in the past few years. No soap gets a free pass here that I have seen.[/quote]

    Wonderfully Said. Totally Agree.

  26. Avatar of lfad
    lfad

    Well put, katkit.

    If I were an actor on AMC seeing my show trashed while the garbage on OLTL was praised to high heavens on some blog, I don’t know if I would take much reported there seriously either.

    [quote]I cringe when I read how this site and others celebrate Carvalati as great when he writes raperomances, women going crazy over a man as a celebration of good soap.[/quote]

    I know, right? But then, whenever OLTL airs something a lot of people don’t like, Ron C. doesn’t get the blame. Oh no, it’s some other writer or Frons.

  27. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    Like I Said b4 Marty Has Had obsessive issues with men b4

    When Left Alone ron Writes great. I Think Its safe to say THat abc/disney hired frons to Micromanage their soaps so viewers would leave and they could cancel them

  28. Avatar of PST
    PST

    “If I were an actor on AMC seeing my show trashed while the garbage on OLTL was praised to high heavens on some blog, I don’t know if I would take much reported there seriously either…” lfad

    What lfad said. As a diehard AMC fan its hard to listen to podcasts or read this site sometimes. Jamey, just last week you called the show “buttermilk” in your rant about the ratings and have said many other hurtful things in the past about the show. How about your recent article about how it was “criminal” to cancel OLTL along with AMC? You’ve dismissed the show plenty times on the podcast. Why would Susan Lucci or any one from AMC’s family believe that you had the shows best interest at heart? The agenda seemed to me to be save One Life To Live at all costs, even at the expense of AMC. If it wasn’t, then you were clearly sending the wrong message. You can criticize the show sure, it’s your job, but it always read and sounded like an attack to me. It’s not that you criticized the show that might have gotten her to call you out, [if it indeed was you], it was the way you did it.

    Heck your site didn’t put up Anne Sweeneys address when AMC only was reported to be gone, it was only after Michael Logan mentioned One Life going too that it was posted. I don’t blame Susan for saying what she said. Shake it off, clearly you expected her to every time you mentioned the show, its story lines or its problems behind the scene in a blog post.

  29. Avatar of tullydidit
    tullydidit

    I don’t post very often but needed to after watching Lucci .
    Lucci is sticking to the ” blogger with a negative agenda” story because TPTB made her look foolish ! deflect deflect deflect! !
    Don’t ever change, Jamey ! ! love the team’s commitment to the genre .
    Thank you

  30. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    Ok first DC is site is a critical sight which means they tell all the good and bad of soaps they dont hold back

    What I Find funny is we want these shows saved but i wouldnt get that from the replies on this post since its becoming vey much AMC Vs OLTL

    Both have had clunkers this year it just seems like if u like oltl u cant like amc and vice versa. Thats BS

  31. Avatar of kitkat
    kitkat

    [quote=appleridge]Like I Said b4 Marty Has Had obsessive issues with men b4
    [/quote]

    Thats called misogyny in the worst sense. Marty had issues over her entire life yet its the glorious JOhn McBain she loses it over. And he has 3 women chasing after him. As a woman why the hell do I want to see a man at the center of a triangle or quad. Especially one with no charisma or anything. I don’t. And Tess paired with her rapist.

    You can call the women hating on this show good writing but don’t *itch at this show being cancelled because its unable to draw the audience they need to sustain their advertising demos, young women. The post Buffy era audience doesn’t buy RCs show as “good soap” just degrading slop.

    The only think that OLTL has above the others is more of their core vets around who actually get screentime. Viki, Clint, Bo, Nora, Dorian heck even Matthew save this show on a daily basis

  32. Avatar of BG
    BG

    First we do not know, who Ms. Lucci is referring too, however if it is Jamey, I can certainly understand why she feels that way. The DC crew has bent over backwards and held their knees for OLTL while contantly crapping on AMC. I watch and love both, however there are just as many bad stories on Ol as AMC.

    It is ironic Jamey is sensitive to this and is portraying the victim. I have heard podcasts by him and the crew, in which they all talk about actors physical looks. Now is that constructive?

  33. Avatar of Set
    Set

    Having read Susan’s book (in about a day, mind you), I think it’s safe to assume that, if she does read your article, and understands that your agenda was never to get soaps axed (anyone who listens to a podcast knows that), I do think she would understand and no longer consider you ‘the negative blogger.’

    And if she DOES read your article… well, you’ve just accomplished one of pipe dreams.

    Bravo!

  34. Avatar of Restless Vixen
    Restless Vixen

    Personally, I don’t think Susan Lucci is even aware of this site or which soaps DC writers leans towards at any given point. It was clear, to me, that La Lucci had no friggin idea who the source of the (confirmed) rumor that both AMC and GH were on the bubble. I think she was just parroting the words she was told – “some angry blogger was spreading untrue venom”. For all she likely knew, Perez Hilton or someone with that kind of reputation was the source of the rumor. While I respect Susan Lucci for being a “company girl” and not showing her ass, I think she should rethink her loyalties. At this point, I think she has enough cache that she doesn’t have to be so loyal. And I wish she had shown the same “diplomacy” towards some “angry blogger” that she showed towards a network who has sold her up the swanee more than once. And I’ll never understand why she’d assume a soap blogger would be trying to tear down the AMC or OLTL. I mean really! Us soap fans, even when critical, want the best from soaps and want them to endure. And we often do this in the face of ridicule from the naysayers who tell us soaps are passe, cheesy, or just plain bad.

    Now that she knows that the rumors, whomever the source or sources, the fact that Lucci not keeping it real even now bugs me. I’ve never been a Lucci or AMC fan. Hell, I’m not a fan of ABC soaps period, so maybe I’m biased. She can be honest and still keep it classy. Her decision to toe the company line makes me wonder how much does she really know about the fanbase of the genre. Is it what she knows herself or what ABC tells her?

  35. Avatar of TV Gord
    TV Gord

    [quote=Restless Vixen]Personally, I don’t think Susan Lucci is even aware of this site or which soaps DC writers leans towards at any given point. It was clear, to me, that La Lucci had no friggin idea who the source of the (confirmed) rumor that both AMC and GH were on the bubble. I think she was just parroting the words she was told – “some angry blogger was spreading untrue venom”. For all she likely knew, Perez Hilton or someone with that kind of reputation was the source of the rumor. While I respect Susan Lucci for being a “company girl” and not showing her ass, I think she should rethink her loyalties. [/quote]

    Completely agree. This makes the most sense to me.

    Susan had better re-think where her loyalties lie, because I doubt that ABC has any loyalty towards her. Sure, she’s got her beauty line and more infomercial connections than I ever care to watch, but does she think they are going to remain once she’s off AMC? If she does, all I can say is: Kathie Lee Gifford. Remember how she had Carnival Cruise and other endorsements (plus a clothing line) when she was on Regis & Kathie Lee? Well, it sure as hell didn’t take long for all of that to dry up after she quit her main money maker. If Susan thinks she’ll continue to be propped up by all of her other income generators, I hope she’s prepared for a rude awakening.

    As for that Desperate Housewives “offer”, I have serious doubts whether there are any offers for real. This is Lucci (or her peeps) putting out a ‘trial balloon’, in hopes that it will gain some traction. What THAT reminds me of is YEARS AGO, Gary Coleman made an appearance on The Arsenio Hall Show, and he said everywhere he goes, people tell him they’d love to see him on L.A. Law. Arsenio–to his credit–wasn’t having it. He challenged Coleman on it, saying, “REALLY?” People out of the blue are just walking up to you saying you should be on L.A. Law??? Arse called bullshit, and bullshit it was. That’s what this DH offer seems to be, to me.

    I love you, Susan Lucci, but I think it’s time to settle gracefully into retirement…or take some time to let people miss you a little bit more. This desperation (and she’s no housewife!) is…unbecoming.

  36. Avatar of soapster
    soapster

    I’m sadden to see this, really but I always knew it would come down to it eventually. This site has perpetrated the AMC/OLTL wars in the guise that it was trying to save soaps. All I read and hear on this site is how great OLTL is, how criminal it was for it to cancelled, how it is the bestest evah, how ABCD overlooks it for AMC, blah, blah, blah yeah there is agenda going on. At times this site reads as an OLTL fan site instead of an professional blog about daytime content.

    Don’t get me wrong AMC deserves the criticism but OLTL does not deserve all this praise and please don’t try to explain that they do critize OLTL when they have bad storylines because please. OLTL at the present moment have bad storylines, unbelievable storytelling, etc going on yet all I hear is OLTL is on fiyah, OLTL is the top soap only in HH not demos where the money comes from yadda, yadda. Maybe just maybe if it was more balance then people won’t think agenda because from where I am sitting it is very agenda driven on this site.

  37. Avatar of TV Gord
    TV Gord

    soapster, all soaps have their share of bad storylines and unbelievable storyline, but OLTL has been incredibly watchable through this horrible AMC period, so that’s why this website reflects that. I watched AMC from 1979 until David Canary left (because, by that time, the storyline-driven plots were ruining every character I enjoyed on the show). OLTL, meanwhile, takes the same old soap conventions and makes them a hoot to watch (thanks, in large part to JvD’s Clint Buchanan)!

    If AMC were better, I would love to be able to go on and on about it. It’s not. I’ve been watching it again for a few weeks now, and it’s painful to see what characters I’ve enjoyed for 30 years are being forced to do on screen.

    The only reason this website seems to be pro-OLTL and anti-AMC is because OLTL knows how to keep its fans on the edge of our seats (relatively speaking, in this sad time for soaps), while AMC is groan-worthy. I hope Lorraine Broderick turns things around, because I would dearly love to be raving about AMC from now until September. I’m just not going to drink the Pine Valley Kool Aid when it tastes so rancid.

    If Daytime Confidential has an agenda, it’s that they are interested in celebrating what’s great about soaps (and critical of what’s bad about them). That’s an agenda I can support wholeheartedly, for better or worse.

  38. Avatar of soapster
    soapster

    Restless Vixen I agree Susan proabably doesn’t know anything associated with this blog she repeated what she heard which is what this blog and most posters on here do on a regular.

    As far as her towing the company line, damn right since it is the company that pays her bills I don’t expect her to do anything else. Unfortunately there are plenty of soap fans and bloggers who have pittied the two shows against each other that is the agenda that I believe she was talking about. It is an AMC versus OLTL agenda being pushed by bloggers so I guess Susan’s loyalty is with her fellow castmates and show it isn’t with the network because she has been calling them out along with Frons.

    Susan is smart and want to continue in the business she needs to play the game I ain’t hating on her, she is the face of daytime and didn’t get there by accident

  39. Avatar of soapbaby
    soapbaby

    If anyone believes that this blog is biased and unbalanced, than they should not read the blog. There are plenty of blogs which discuss daytime television and I find that this blog works best for me. It is not to say that no one should voice a difference of opinion from the bloggers and posters but if anyone feels that this blog generally does not align with their view, than they should move along. I was a regular poster on another soap opera site but felt that the moderators were too controlling for my taste, so I left.

    I applaud Jamey for this eloquent open letter, whether it was sent to Ms. Lucci or just shared with the audience here. I think there is a lot of heart and truth here.

  40. Avatar of soapster
    soapster

    Tv Gord, I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with you at all about AMC the writing is horrible and it deserves the rants.

    You love OLTL and I get that but I don’t see all this fantastic storytelling. Out of the all the stories on air at the moment Matthew’s is the only compelling one imo everything else is to put it bluntly crap. The Mad Marty capers is insulting to the character the fact that these three females are getting down and dirty with no sense of self worth for the likes of John McBain is words cannot describe what this does to me as a female viewer. The fact that the show can’t stop writing WTD storylines just shows a lack of imagination in the writing room that plus the weird obession of making everyong a Buchananon there was absolutely no need storywise to make Rex, Clint’s son and stripping Roxie from being his mother was the only criminal act ABCD has admitted imo.

    That is just one storyline I can go on, the insipid teens and their lack of acting skills, the DID storyline that jokes about mental illness and rape. So please don’t tell me how great OLTL is right now, edge of your seat it is not for me. When I see DC addressing some of the issues I have pointed out then I will say that they are a interesting in celebrating what’s good about soaps and critcizing all that is bad.

  41. Avatar of soapster
    soapster

    Soapbaby that is the same advice poster’s used to tell others poster’s when they used to complain about the writing then stop watching the show and guess what people stop watching. I guess the same can happen to soap blogs posters can stop supporting them also.

  42. Avatar of Restless Vixen
    Restless Vixen

    Soapster, while I can certainly understand Lucci having some loyalty to the company that pays her, at times I feel she is blindly loyal to ABC. Especially in this case. She’s still on some ” negative blogger with an agenda” mess which at this point is irrelevant. Agenda or not, the rumor is true. Her attempts to deflect the onus from ABC is what gives me pause. I still feel like she’s killing the messenger, which I think is unfair. She doesn’t have to badmouth the source of her paycheck, but her mentioning of some “mad blogger” makes her look like a bit of a chump. It would be better if she’d just stop mentioning the blogger altogether.

    AMC vs OLTL – I have no horse in that race. I’ve only been an NBC (except Passions and Sunset Beach) and CBS (Bell not P&G soaps) fan. I’ve always felt this site skews more towards ABCD in general vs the other two networks’ soaps. I’m not sure if that’s because ABC has more soaps on the air or if DC collectively are big ABC fans. But regardless, I never felt this was at the expense of the other soaps. I’ve always felt DC loves the genre overall more than being fangirls and fanboys to a specific soap. But that my take on it.

  43. Avatar of
    JAQ

    [quote=Restless Vixen]Personally, I don’t think Susan Lucci is even aware of this site or which soaps DC writers leans towards at any given point. It was clear, to me, that La Lucci had no friggin idea who the source of the (confirmed) rumor that both AMC and GH were on the bubble. I think she was just parroting the words she was told – “some angry blogger was spreading untrue venom”. For all she likely knew, Perez Hilton or someone with that kind of reputation was the source of the rumor.[/quote]

    I too believe this is the truth, and Jamey your being sensitive instead of proud of your writing! :beer:

  44. Avatar of katkit
    katkit

    [quote=soapster]Tv Gord, I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with you at all about AMC the writing is horrible and it deserves the rants.The Mad Marty capers is insulting to the character the fact that these three females are getting down and dirty with no sense of self worth for the likes of John McBain is words cannot describe what this does to me as a female viewer. The fact that the show can’t stop writing WTD storylines just shows a lack of imagination in the writing room that plus the weird obession of making everyong a Buchananon there was absolutely no need storywise to make Rex, Clint’s son and stripping Roxie from being his mother was the only criminal act ABCD has admitted imo.That is just one storyline I can go on, the insipid teens and their lack of acting skills, the DID storyline that jokes about mental illness and rape. So please don’t tell me how great OLTL is right now, edge of your seat it is not for me. When I see DC addressing some of the issues I have pointed out then I will say that they are a interesting in celebrating what’s good about soaps and critcizing all that is bad.[/quote]

    Well said Soapstar. I am still waiting for someone here or at some of the other blogs to address the fact that while OLTL’s total viewers are up, why are they still losing younger female viewers. ANd lets not pretend that any of these soaps including Y&R are doing well. Every year the younger female demo drops more and more which means these shows are not attracting new or younger viewers for the most part. But all these bloggers want to do is celebrate writing that portrays women especially younger women in the worst possible light and choose to put blinders on to the things that really need to change to make these shows relevant to this generation of younger women.

    For years these shows were on the forefront of stories that reflected the nature of the times. Discrimination, abortion, HIV at a time when it was still taboo, rape without the need to make it campy and male centric, incest. Now ever if these issues are addressed, its with the intent of making it campy and a joke. As far as crazy bimbos cat fighting over a man, what younger woman would find any of this remotely entertaining. While I enjoyed the Alexis and Krystal Carrington cat fights, those antics on todays primetime venues would be considered out of date.Fighting over a man? Uhm no. Where are the female centric triangles or quads. When you get one on a soap like Sharon on Y&R its done in such a way to still degrade the woman.

    We are in a generation post Buffy female viewers where female empowerment is the rage. Soaps not only haven’t changed, but they have regressed from what they were at one time. To see people celebrating the writing of people like Bob Guza, Rob Carvalati even Maria Bell just infuriates me.

    To attack Susan Lucci as being dumb or towing the company line or whatever just further divides the remaining viewers rather than unite them. I won’t judge her for stmts she never made. As for her commments on The Talk, I think its a stretch to believe she was ever referring to this blog. I doubt she knows it exists. None of us know her own internal frustration because she does such a wonderful job of maintaining her cool and professionalism. But I will say one thing. Chuck Pratt was fired from a job after 18 months while AMC was improving in ratings to an extent under him. Because Susan chose to be professional and not aire her frustrations to the tabloid press doesn’t mean she was happy or didn’t share her concerns behind the scenes. And Susan’s appearence on the Leno show and her veiled comments about Brian Frons said a lot more to me than the twitter rants of a few over ego Divas.

  45. Avatar of katkit
    katkit

    [quote=appleridge]That Damn 18-49 Demo will Be the death of all things Broadcast TV. They should only Care about HH and Nothing More[/quote]
    And yet shows that are relevant on both broadcast and cable television, have no issue capturing this audience and when they don’t, the shows get cancelled.

    This is a Madison avenue std set that Advertisers follow. The reason 18-49 is and will continue to be the most valued is that they are the hardest audience to attrack. There are a myriad of other reasons that make sense that I won’t get into. THat’s not to say the older viewers are not valued just not as highly which is why this portion of the audience is at a premium. Maybe rather than blame the ratings system, these shows should figure out how to make what they produce interesting and relevant to the younger audience. Soaps sure haven’t done that. And the sad part is there was a time when they used to.

    As for calling out shows, its easy to call someone a bad actor or congratulate an actor for a good performance or prop an emmy baiting episode. I still get sickened when I read about Jonathan Jacksons emmy baiting rant on General Hospital as something great or ground breaking. It was one of the most putrid woman hating pieces of dialogue ever written. But of course the gaga over the teary eyed emmy baiting screamathon seems to be the primary concern, not the actual content. Yet I don’t see anyone calling JJ’s allegedly god fearing persona for supporting and delivering this disgusting dialogue. Where was his rant and push back on this? No its Lucci who gets all the blame. And I am more than willing to challenge Susan as to why she felt Pratts AMC was more destructive than McTavish’s poisoned pancakes or the putried unabortion crap which turned a groundbreaking beautifully told socially relevant story into a complete joke. See some of us are capable of taking off the blinders when it comes to our faves.

  46. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    Cable Networks Dont rely on advertising as much as broadcast thats why ratings on cable shows can be lower. Same with CW since they get money From CBS

  47. Avatar of katkit
    katkit

    And yet cable shows still get cancelled when they don’t perform and attract the viewers they want. Maybe explain why a show like Jersey Shore (which I hate) can out perform a show like Greys Anatomy in the key demo.

    All I never hear are excuses as to why these shows are still relevant to women. They aren’t and apparently people still to this day won’t accept that as one of the main reasons these shows have dropped. The result. 1 crappy woman hating soap, OLTL, and one poorly written soap AMC which lost its identity years ago, both cancelled. But by all means continue to place the blame on Brian Frons as if he’s responsible for the entire genre dying. Not that I have any used for him, hes an incompetent stooge, but get real people.

  48. Avatar of baffled
    baffled

    You have to market to the 18-49 demographic for TV advertising for the same reason the music industry has to market to tweens and teens–at their point in the typical life cycle; they are likely to have more disposal income to spend on non-essential goods and services and a greater willingness to spend it immediately.
    By the time a woman reaches age 50; she is hardly worried about if her “vjayjay” smells like strawberries in order to lure a sex partner–she’s experienced enough to know that good ole soap and water will do; and she is not likely to spend the money she has on such nonsense.
    She is not gonna care if she isn’t considered hip or cool because she doesn’t have the latest Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga track before her peers get it–she might spend her available funds on a good dinner and a bottle of wine or put it into her saving account to pay for the cruise she hopes to take in 2 years.
    Even if older people have more money to spend; the psychology of the choices they make is different–they’re just not as easily lured into supporting fads with their hard-earned cash and they have been schooled by life into delaying immediate gratification of whims in order to plan for the long-term.

    As much as we might not like the advertising-driven decisions TV executives make; there is strong economic and psychological theory underlying their moves.

  49. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    [quote=baffled]You have to market to the 18-49 demographic for TV advertising for the same reason the music industry has to market to tweens and teens–at their point in the typical life cycle; they are likely to have more disposal income to spend on non-essential goods and services and a greater willingness to spend it immediately.
    By the time a woman reaches age 50; she is hardly worried about if her “vjayjay” smells like strawberries in order to lure a sex partner–she’s experienced enough to know that good ole soap and water will do; and she is not likely to spend the money she has on such nonsense.
    She is not gonna care if she isn’t considered hip or cool because she doesn’t have the latest Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga track before her peers get it–she might spend her available funds on a good dinner and a bottle of wine or put it into her saving account to pay for the cruise she hopes to take in 2 years.
    Even if older people have more money to spend; the psychology of the choices they make is different–they’re just not as easily lured into supporting fads with their hard-earned cash and they have been schooled by life into delaying immediate gratification of whims in order to plan for the long-term.

    As much as we might not like the advertising-driven decisions TV executives make; there is strong economic and psychological theory underlying their moves.[/quote]
    ——————————————————————————————————————————————————
    Im Sorry But Thats Crap People Dont Just Stop Living Once They Turn 50 and its a sad state of affairs when people think that. In fact People Normally Retire around 63 and if they saver their money would then have disposable income.

  50. Avatar of katkit
    katkit

    [quote=appleridge]Im Sorry But Thats Crap People Dont Just Stop Living Once They Turn 50 and its a sad state of affairs when people think that. In fact People Normally Retire around 63 and if they saver their money would then have disposable income.[/quote]
    I think you missed the entire point. People over 50 are not likely to let advertisements sway their buying decisions, brand loyalties have already been established by that age,major lifestyle purchases like homes and cars and furnshings appliances already established, and are generally not into the latest fads and trends. Whether you think its crap or not there is a science to the metrics the advertisers use. You don’t think it applies, take it up with the execs on Madison ave. This has been in place for the last 40 years.

  51. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    18-49 Rating demo became a fiocus in the 90′s

    And If Were Talkin Groups with Disposable Income why isnt Their a rating That Counts the GLBT community and what they watch. They have lots of Money To Spend. Learned That In My Marketing Class.

    And yes I know that sounds stupid it is. As is the 18-49 demo. They should just pay attention to HH

  52. Avatar of katkit
    katkit

    I suggest you pick up a copy of a publication called Advertising Age if you want the full history behind this. Plus there is a lot of information on website called TV by the Numbers.

  53. Avatar of TV Gord
    TV Gord

    I’ve mentioned this before, but A.C. Nielsen, the creator of the system was on What’s My Line? 50 years ago…and they were complaining THEN about the ratings. So, it’s never going to change. Television as we know it will be dead before things change.

  54. Avatar of AHeart4Fiction
    AHeart4Fiction

    Everyone has pretty much said it, Jamey you wrote a beautiful piece and I enjoyed reading it. I also hope Susan Lucci was not referring to you b/c we know your intent in breaking daytime news and critiquing is not to be malicious.

  55. Avatar of east.west
    east.west

    It is pretty clear that Susan was referring to Jamey and DC. She said she read stuff from a blogger on his site.

    I hope that these soap stars, writers, producers, etc. on the remaining soaps finally come to the realization that they shouldn’t dismiss us (us as in the online community), b/c if they don’t that mindset they have will make them as culpable as “that Mr. Brian Frons” and others in the daytime community that have played a part in the destruction of the daytime soaps.

  56. Avatar of katkit
    katkit

    AS a long time soap lover of the past and as one of many millions of women who have tuned out of soaps over the past 10 years, this site and many online sites don’t speak to us. Why should the writers and producers of these shows listen to onliners. I as hell don’t want to watch any show that glorifies raperomances, makes fun of mental illness, tells socially irrespnsible storytelling, has man crazy bimbos running around throwing themselves over worthless unappealing men. If this is the definition and standard people here think is good soap, no wonder the soap genre is on its last legs. Brian Frons gave you exactly what you are celebrating as good soap. And yet the ratings still don’t justify keeping this crap on the air. Perhaps had people online pushed for real changes,relevant progressive storytelling as these shows used to tell, these shows wouldn’t be as irrelevant as they are today.

    And while Brian Frons is an incredible douchebag, someone point me to where he alone is resposible for the loss of all the soaps that have been cancelled over all the years including the recent cancellations of Passions, Guiding Light, and ATWT. If so he’s a hell of a lot smarter than I ever thought he was.

    And if Susan was referring to this blog it was likely something someone mentioned to her. I doubt she has the time or interest in reading any of the content here.

  57. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    I don’t know about other folks, but I do know, at least the daytime folks who have twitter or FB or any online communication, DO know of DC’s existence. Some follow it on twitter, and have made comments to the columnists and sometimes communicate back and forth with them regularly. Even from the actors remarks on twitter, you can tell they read the blog, because they point out specific remarks we’ve made about their characters. Many of them laugh it off and joke with us, which is something I appreciate. I wouldn’t be the least bit shocked if Susan knew about this blog or if someone told her about it. Doesn’t matter how high up she is, and I totally respect Susan Lucci, as an actress and a person, always have, always will. But the actors know about it. It wasn’t long ago when Farah Fath contacted them about some remark JPL made, suggesting clarification on his ‘wording’. And Ricky Paull called the cancellation talk ‘vicious rumors’ and sent Jamey a tweet right before cancellations went down. Here’s the link to what he said: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/9f88b7

    That was in March. And even if HE didn’t know himself, he was told. I saved that tweet because some of these folks have foot in mouth syndrome. There’s a cure. It’s called shutting up.

    So my guess is if Susan got her information about a blogger with a ‘negative agenda’ it was more than likely DC. Couldn’t imagine it being Errol or the We Love Soaps guys because they don’t run their information the same there; the information can be similar, like with SOD/SOW/ABCSID and so on, but there is a BIG difference on how that information is given to us. IMO, this site is the most well-known with such varying opinions and “Telling it like it T-I-Tis” statements. Even if I don’t agree with all that’s said, I respect what’s written and appreciate getting info upfront, good, bad, ugly, in between. It’s like my mama telling me my butt is too big for that dress or too small for those jeans. I may not like hearing it, but in the end, it MUST be said.

    I’ve always thought actors should keep shut before they know the deal in regards to their shows. Don’t tell us it’s safe when we know otherwise and when we’re trying to tell YOU to watch your back to be prepared for the eventual drop. Don’t tell us you KNOW ‘its all good’, when the insiders and sources are leaking info left and right saying it’s a done deal and the shows are done. The actors are ALWAYS the last to know and folks like Chrishell have admitted so, which is why some just asked us to support the shows and others gave helpful info on who to contact and thanked fans for support before cancellation finally went down. The networks lie to everyone. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was Rule #1 in the Book to running a network… straight into the ground. Actors may make more money than us average Joe’s and Josie’s, but they also hear the most lies from their bosses and everyone else under the sun. That’s apparent. We as fans invest our time in these shows for love of the genre. Why would we waste it lying to people we love watching everyday??? I’m not trying to argue, but I’m just trying to point out that even if the actors don’t mention the site by name, they know about it, just like the nighttime and movie celebs know about that vile Perez.

  58. Avatar of thecourt99
    thecourt99

    I must be listening to a different podcast then. I have heard praise for AMC when deserved, and praise for OLTL when deserved. I have heard bashing for AMC when deserved, and bashing for OLTL when deserved. The sad thing is that there have been more reasons to bash AMC lately. I recall a time when poor Luke didn’t have any emotional connection to AMC at all anymore, and that’s his baby. I also don’t recall anyone praising the DID storyline, and the only thing I have heard positive about mad Marty is the acting of Susan Haskell. I don’t see the complete and holistic praise for OLTL that some others seem to see.

    However, when it comes to the cancellation, everyone on the podcast – not just Jamey – all said the stories themselves don’t matter. It’s about the ratings and the budget. So from what I heard, the outcry of AMC being cancelled versus OLTL was due to the finances. Yes, they have their favorites, don’t we all? But if this was a financially driven decision, OLTL being underbudget and AMC being over-budget should have saved OLTL. The fact that both shows were cancelled proved that something else was at play.

  59. Avatar of katkit
    katkit

    Being under budget and making a healthy profit are 2 different things. The thing that boggles my mind is where is the proof that OLTL is making a healthy profit? Where is the proof that OLTL’s ratings are so much better than AMC’s or GH’s. Someone show me where and I’ll back off. Where has there been improvement in OLTL’s money making demos over GH’s or AMC’s and lets not forget Y&R whos money making demos have also dropped. Those are the financial facts.IF anything I would love to know why GH was spared over the other 2.

    I don’t care which AMC actor read what and if the actors and shows are actually listening and making decisions based on feedback on line which is nothing but a bunch of agenda filled fangurls and fanboys no wonder these shows are dying. I don’t believe Susan Lucci for a second comes online and reads soap blogs. This woman is on a book tour has a ton of other busines and professional ventures going on to worry about what some blogger says. COuld her castmates have made comments to her about the comments about an anti AMC blog site and how those cancellation rumors stemmed from that perhaps. But I doubt Susan Lucci really cares what anyone online says or thinks about her. Maybe the anger stems from the fact she never mentioned the name of the person. But she likely has no clue.

    As for this site or any current soap blog being critical of soaps, I haven’t seen any site at all address the real reasons why these shows have become irrelevant to todays younger female viewer. Not one. And celebrating writers who honestly are recycled and are a good part of the problem also? Those telling some of us who don’t find the criticism voiced here to just leave, thats exactly what we were told when voicing our concerns about the problems with the current soaps and guess what we did and thats why the genre is at the verge of cancellation.

    Until I hear a serious journalist out there really critique the fundamental problems with these shows, all I will continue to hear is a bunch of fangurls and fanboys complaining because they are not getting what or who “THEY” feel should be showcased or featured. Which is all that the online community to date has represented as a whole. Recyling writers, producers, even actors from soap to soap has done and will continue to do anything to repair the fundamental issues at hand.

  60. Avatar of giogio
    giogio

    What I dont like what happened here is what Chrischell, Bobbie Eakes did about a week after the soaps were cancelled. They stirred the pot on twitter sounding like there was hope, that something big had happened to save the soaps. Now Susan Lucci matter of factly got on the Talk saying what she did about not being sure the soap is cancelled. This innuendo is maddening., To me, it is much more maddening than “some Blogger” spreading rumors because we dont want soaps cancelled so when we hear from the actors, we realllllly think there is a chance. Im not talking nasty about Chrischell of BE, I love them both, but that wasnt right. And I love Susan too, but that was a bit much. I still hope and pray I look like her when I get to be her age.

  61. Avatar of liason4real
    liason4real

    In one of the many interviews given by Frons since he cancelled AMC/OLTL there should be comments about OLTL profit being used to fund the 10 to 15 test shows like the Chew and Revolution.

  62. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    @katkit. If we are so irrelevant, out-of-touch with soap viewers and basically unknown in the soap industry (Several sources have told me Brian Frons specifically warns in meetings that he’d better not see what was discussed on Daytime Confidential, and an AMC actress herself told me at the Daytime Emmys two years ago what it was like in the hair and makeup room the day I broke the AMC move), then why do you visit DC?

    Don’t get me wrong I appreciate the business, but I’m just curious. I totally respect everyone’s opinion and those who have ripped me for praising OLTL (though the whole “we never take OLTL task bit” is not true), but you specifically seem to hate the site and everything we do, yet here you are, since 2009.

    I guess people missed when we ripped the Rapemance, I even said on a podcast, if that story was Ron C.’s idea he should be fired. Though I will readily admit he’s considered among the majority of our staff the best head writer currently writing in daytime, but we’ve been pissed at him plenty of times.

    If you follow what I write and say on the podcast (as opposed to just making generalized statements) you’d know this is pretty much the first Messica storyline I’ve enjoyed since Dena Higley. Yes, Dena Higley—who I think has been a cancer for the industry—I praised for having a better handle on the Tess character than Ron.

    I also ripped the B.E. takeover, which Luke and my other co-hosts loved at the time, I hated the time travel story back to Texas (which most critics loved and praised among R.C.’s best work). I ripped the Morasco Fiasco, though I did clarify that Crystal Hunt was forced on TPTB by Brian Frons, because…she was. I think I’ve more than proven my ABCD sources are impeccable, and that’s what I was told.

    I also ripped Frank V.’s handling of the Kish debacle, etc. Do I think OLTL is easily the most watchable soap on daytime? Yes. That’s my “opinion”. It’s a fact however that it comes in $1 million under budget annually, consistently, while AMC was so overbudget it had to be moved across country as a last ditch effort to try to save it.

    If it seems like we praise OLTL over AMC, it’s because, well, the network has never lifted a finger to help it succeed. Which soaps went HD first? Which soaps stars have been on Dancing With The Stars, yet insiders point to OLTL’s weak brand as why GH and AMC were favored. AMC and GH have had significantly higher budgets, expansive PR and marketing campaigns, etc., while OLTL was moved into a dank basement in NYC and basically told to sink or swim. Yet, their ratings are now better than GH and AMC and have been for months. Those are facts. It’s my opinion that the stories are much better than AMC’s, and that can certainly be debated.

    I screamed for Chuck Pratt to be fired because he was destroying the show, much like McTavish before her. Ron has definitely had turkeys. The Rapemance key among them and again, we called him on that, but OLTL hasn’t systematically tried to destroy everything that fans hold dear.

    You talk about The Rapemance being an abomination, which it was, but what about the first legalized abortion in daytime being undone by Megan McTavish? What about being so scared to give Bianca a love interest, they had her fall for a pre-op male-to-female transsexual?

    What about Pratt destroying Reese and Bianca, then blaming the actress? I know for a fact AMC wanted to have Bianca sleep with Ryan during the Pratt year. Brian Frons let his best friends destroy this show, a show I’ve loved for 20 years, so yeah, it pisses me off. I’m much harder on the shows I have the longer history with, which I preface all the time.

    It is my personal reaction that OLTL, a show I’ve only watched for 5 years, in my opinion is so much more engaging than not. Does it have major issues? Of course and we call them on it all the time, but IMO it’s at least watchable. There have been great lengths of time where myself as a viewer literally felt nauseous having to watch AMC and that colored my perception.

    I also appreciate the fact that OLTL actors stand up and call the creators to the carpet when things are bad. AMC doesn’t do that. They toe the company line and blame the messengers. I said I wasn’t going to respond, because I stand by my reporting of the facts and my ability to separate it from my opinions. You can most assuredly disagree. I welcome it.

  63. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    You keep picking a fight where there is none with folks voicing their opinions that happen not to agree with yours, kat. If you don’t like the way any of these sites are run because they, and apparently WE, are all fangurls and boys with agendas, by all means, do the research to get to the nitty gritty of finding out the TRUE ratings and create your own. What’s written here isn’t written in stone. OLTL being great isn’t a fact, it’s opinion. AMC being terrible isn’t fact, it’s opinion. The sky is blue??? Fact. The grass is green??? Fact. The actors being lied to??? Fact. The cancellations??? Fact. My point of saying that actors know of the site is, well, a FACT, as proven. ICGAFF if Susan knows herself or if she was told. That’s NOT the point. She’s a top star and I love her as a person and actress, but I’m sorry, I don’t believe the sun shines out of even Oprah’s ass. NO one in the industry should act like their shit don’t stink at this point, sorry. Her being on a book tour??? Irrelevant. She STILL heard the rumors and said herself she heard the rumors were coming from a ‘blogger’ with a ‘negative agenda’. Bottom line, the actors KNOW about it just like they know about We Love Soaps and SON. They’ve been interviewed on all THREE countless times. The podcasts HERE prove that.

    And my guess is someone TOLD her of THIS SITE if she’s not sitting back and reading it on a Saturday night like most celebs who reluctantly, but readily, admit to reading Perez and JustJared or Googling themselves. Big effing deal either way. Once again, that’s NOT my point. The POINT is, it’s known, period. Even if you or others don’t agree or don’t like it. Every comment is an attempt at a smackdown because you happen not to agree with the lot of us in regards to the shows, ratings, writers, etc, etc. Sorry if some of us think OLTL is good these days and can hardly tolerate AMC, and GH, for that matter. I’ve watched all the ABC soaps since I was a child, and GH was my home. Now it’s OLTL. I find it watchable for many reasons others DON’T. That’s FINE. Even some of my DC and twitter friends think OLTL sucks, I wouldn’t deny them a ride to the maltshop because we DISAGREE. But just because I LOVE it doesn’t mean the show shits gold.

    We’re NOT trying to argue, we’re TRYING to get our points across the same way that YOU are. An opinion is just like an a**hole, everyone has one. Wipe and flush. It’s not a requirement to join or post here, but obviously something catches you or you wouldn’t keep coming back to post in the same section. I lurked for at least a year before finally posting because something caught MY eye to the point where I just HAD to write something, and I’ve been a member ever since because I LIKE it. Trust and believe if I didn’t want to sit in church, I damn for sure wouldn’t buy a first class ticket to the pew on the right.

  64. Avatar of soapster
    soapster

    Katkit, I understand and agree with alot of what you are saying. I could care less if OLTL comes in 1 million under budget they needed to spend some of that money on some researchers so that these storylines could be more true to life and I agree with everything you posted about the ratings. The system is what it is and for those who don’t understand why over 50 is as important it is simply this they watch more tv than 18-49 group so advertiser’s can reach them more easily. 18-49 crowd is the most wanted demo because it is the hardest to reach it isn’t all about disposable income. Also coming in under budget no matter the amount is not the same as generating revenue,and the show is still expensive to produce.

    OLTL is beating the other ABC soaps in HH but not in demos and frankly even those numbers aren’t good and this was a sweeps period with the add attraction of a huge return in Roger Howarth. Jump up and down all you like but nothing in those numbers are impressive at most it just leads to bragging rights on the internet.

    I for one admit that I have seen times when OLTL was taken to task over storyline and acting but that is not what KitKat was saying. The apparent love fest over everything OLTL in the present is sickening at times and there is not much to be praising on the show. I don’t listen to the podcast so if all the critiquing is being down there then my bad, as far as I can tell everyone loves the show to pieces and finds little wrong with it. All this AMC is so bad right now well so is OLTL with the difference just being a preference over one show than the other.

    KitKat I agree the reason why the genre is fading is because the few people with the power and ability to call it out did not. A lot of the soap press come across as fangirls/boys I have yet to read a real critique of any soap story the most we get are recaps. I would really like for someone to explain to me what is so good right now on OLTL it being the most watchable doesn’t make it the greatest thing ever it just means that the other soaps are doing worst. The reason why I come to this blog and others is for soap news this is all we have

  65. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    What The Hell So Some one Likes OLTL Over AMC I Loved GH From 1990-2004 and think it sucks now

    Its An OPINION Whay Are Arguring Someone’s OPINION Of What He Feels About A Show

    The Fact That It Comes 1 Million Under Is Important That may Not be much but its the only ABC DT Soap That Does That, wheter or not u like OLTL That Is FACT

  66. Avatar of GHfan-4now
    GHfan-4now

    I agree with appleridge, as usual. Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. Once again, perpetuating arguments where there shouldn’t be any. I find OLTL watchable for the same reasons folks find GH watchable when it turns my stomach. It’s the same reason I watch GG when others think it’s trashy or why I read Twilight when other’s think it’s poorly written. I think the writing sucks too, but I LOVE the story. Judge me? Fine. Is what it is. I TRULY don’t understand why varying opinions on these shows are being debated back and forth. That’s ALL they are, opinions. If some folks like OLTL and others think it sucks, fine. If they love GH and I think it’s shyte, great! I honestly don’t get the big deal considering some love the show and others hate it. It won’t get me to tune out just like it wont get others to tune in. They will ALL soon be cancelled anyway. This going back and forth between fellow soap fans who don’t agree on these cancelled shows is doing nothing but stirring an already boiling pot.

  67. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    KitKat I agree the reason why the genre is fading is because the few people with the power and ability to call it out did not.
    ***
    Okay, then where’s your soap blog? We have the “power and ability” because we did it ourselves. It’s soooo easy to sit back under a fake name on a message board and say what everyone else should do. I was just a commentor on the SOAPnet message boards when Luke met me, but I’ve managed to create a voice in the industry. It may a voice people want to silence, I respect that, but I did it as a fan. So instead of talking about what everyone else should do with their power as a soap fan, why not do something with yours?

  68. Avatar of giogio
    giogio

    I have news for everyone here – I watch all three soaps – All my Children is my favorite. I notice that they dont get daily posts like OLTL and GH and when I first came on this site I asked why. I never got an answer. But I dont care cause not all of us like the same thing. Except soaps. We all like soaps. Plus, me personally I never looked anymore for a daily recap on amc cause it wasnt there and just never thought about it again. That being said Jamey DID NOT – people I repeat DID not ever make me feel as tho he had an agenda with anyone. Ive only started to comment recently but have read these boards for years, and I dont see agenda. And I love SL but that was a silly thing for her to say, because it sounded as if Jamey or the blogger with the agenda caused the cancellations. In that Q&A on the Talk that stupidity shouldnt have even been brought up, because it was a factual rumor, and stop it with the rumor. That was not the time nor the place to bring that up again. I love Susan, but that threw me. And you know what, that sounded to me like a comment with an agenda. What that will be time will tell, but there was an agenda behind her answer as far as Im concerned.OK everyone – get mad at me.

  69. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    And I love SL but that was a silly thing for her to say, because it sounded as if Jamey or the blogger with the agenda caused the cancellations
    ***
    THIS! That right there is why I wrote the piece. A 41-year-old entertainment industry institution was purposefully dismantled and in the few brief segments on a national talk show, when perhaps the real reasons soaps are dying could have been addressed, once again the “evil blogger” was blamed.

    Maybe if more stars or the mainstream soap press had investigated Frons and his incestuous relations with the people who worked from him, not to mention the rampant, ineffective efforts to rebrand SOAPnet—all things I’ve blogged here on my agenda driven blog—soaps could have stood more of chance.

    We do this because we love the industry. Luke and I don’t have suites of offices in NYC like the editors of Digest and Weekly. No limo has ever picked me up for work, like former Digest editors got. We did this as fans because we love this genre. We are not the “mainstream press” that owes anyone anything. We report the news and give our opinions as we see them. If anyone is truly that offended by our coverage, why come here?

  70. Avatar of east.west
    east.west

    To change gears a bit, has the intended purpose of this open letter happened? Do your moles have anything to share about the reactions from Susan or the other actors (if there has been any reaction of course) about this?

    And really at “that Mr. Brian Frons” mandate for the actors not to speak of DC. Exhibit C in the wrongful death of the daytime soaps case.

  71. Avatar of soapster
    soapster

    “Maybe if more stars or the mainstream soap press had investigated Frons and his incestuous relations with the people who worked from him, not to mention the rampant, ineffective efforts to rebrand SOAPnet—all things I’ve blogged here on my agenda driven blog—soaps could have stood more of chance.”

    Well my name is Stephanie and I don’t want to start a blog, I do not love this industry that much to devote as much time as starting a blog would require. As a soap fan the only power I have is if I want to watch the show or not and I have exercise that power many times. As a part of the soap press I assume you have a different power than I. Maybe if more of the soap press like you stated went hard on the industry and not just with ABC soaps all soaps could have stood more of a chance. I never said I was offended I stated that it was slanted coverage but you are right my views don’t fit in with the site so I won’t be bothering you again.

    Giogio – I think you will find that most people have agendas.

  72. Avatar of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    @East.West in all honesty I wrote it based on my own need to set the record straight, from where I was coming from. I haven’t tried to find out if Ms. Lucci was aware of it or if she wasn’t. I was putting it all into perspective on my end. This isn’t the first time she’s mentioned the “blogger with the agenda.”

    Plus there was Ricky Paull’s rants to SOD about what a “sin” a blogger “starting a rumor” like this was, and then attacking the DC twitter profile and me (Oh but wait, they don’t know who I am…).

    I didn’t start a rumor, I reported the facts. I separate the facts and my opinion quite clearly. It’s my opinion OLTL is the better show. It’s a fact it’s in better financial shape and has not received the same support from the network over the years. The end result, howeve,r for both of the shows, the one I gush over, and the one I can’t believe was allowed to get so bad, is the same. They’ve been cancelled.

    So obviously it’s all a helluva lot bigger than what I ran on my blog or when and where Lucci found out what. I just think it’s pretty silly to not take the opportunity to talk about how ABC Daytime’s allowance of AMC to let writers and producers make fatal decisions wasn’t discussed, but there was time to once again mention a blooger with an agenda. Whatever my mythological agenda is, guess what? It most certainly isn’t being listened to by ABC.

    I get accused of having an agenda about Liason. Are they together? Nope. I had a gay agenda is supporting Kish. Are they still on the show? Nada. So it looks like I need to take “Agenda For Dummies”, because my nefarious plans keep seeming to fail! LMAO

  73. Avatar of east.west
    east.west

    The disconect here is that they have already made up in their minds that you guys are the enemy.

    And what kills me is that they act like everything you have broke concerning ABCD hasn’t come true.

    Again, this is big of you. I would’ve just said “y’all are still canceled right?” “you took a pay cut right?”, “you in LA right?” and keep it moving, b/c (and I would imagine) there’s a breaking point in this game of shooting the messenger.

  74. Avatar of appleridge
    appleridge

    The Thing That Pissed Me Off Is That Susan Knows The Rumor Came True AMC Cancelled But By The way she spoke On THE TALK It Came across To Me as she ways saying This Blogger Printed This Rumor then 2 weeks later we were Cancelled.

    Like Cancelling them was Never In ABC’s Mind Before and Then They saw Jamey’s Rumor & Thought Thats a good idea lets cancel those soaps

    BULL S**T

  75. Avatar of katkit
    katkit

    First of all my name is Kaitlen Mathison and I am a registered nurse who lives in Salem Oregon. So not hidden

    Second I don’t come here much but this whole situation with what Susan Lucci did or didn’t allegedly do honestly bothered me. Not because I feel she’s above reproach,shes not perfect, because anything SHE AND ONLY SHE appears to do or not do seems to be twisted to fulfill some disppointment or feeling that she should be doing more or should be doing what others have done. Shes a scapegoat. I doubt she knows of this blog in particular. I have to wonder why she would want to give that hack Nelson Branco an interview and that is an issue I do have with her. But I think its unfair to compare her actions to others. Other than someone like Tristan Rogers, I have not seen one person working in this industry or having worked in it say or do anything to highlight the real issues. Its easy to blame Brian Frons. Hes an easy person to rally against. But are people here really naive enough to believe Brian Frons is the real issue here. Really. I have no love for the man but honestly get real. As for what Susan or has not done, said, or influenced over the past 40 years of her career at AMC, noone other than Susan can speak to that or should. Case closed on that.

    As for being a soap blogger, I am not a journalist, I don’t claim or want to be. I don’t claim to have any credibility other than being a disenfranchised Soap Viewer.

    This is not an AMC or OLTL issue its a larger issue. It saddens me that people who’s opinions seem to matter to some don’t use that influence for pushing for improvement, and real progressive change. I’ve done all I can do by writing over the years only to see my dissatisfaction go no where. The message that sent was they don’t care. Certainly I am not the only one out there who’s felt this way, otherwise there would be millions of people still watching that have since left. You want to think Brian Frons is the evil incarnate your choice. He’s part of the problem, just another washed up dated Soap opera industry exec who has no clue or interest in progression.

    Am I disappointed in the soap press yes. Am I disappointed thst the mainstream press has never taken soaps seriously enough to challenge what is really going on. Yes. But I am not sure I blame them. All the soap journalists have done is play into the stereotypes that makes everyone in the main stream poke fun at soaps and people who love them and pander to the writers and execs and actors they want. THat in itself polarizes fans.

    While not in this letter why comparing Susan Lucci to Robin Strasser and Kim Zimmer? What exactly have they done. You wonder why people might believe this be partially an anti AMC motivated action? I am not saying and never have said it is but it clearly is not out of the boundries of reality to think it might be motivated by that. I remember reading the “Why OLTL should be saved” column here and being bothered because OLTL’s own fate as stated by this blog was decided when AMC was moved to LA. Neither show has done anything to warrant saving. And all that mentality has done is to polarize fans more that unite them in a time were you would think soladarity was more important than ever.

    And its not just this blog, its other blogs, its the columnists who seem to prefer to buy into what the shows are selling in many instances as good versus challenging them to be better. I realize I might be picking on this blog and this is not really large money maker for you folks. BUt when you put yourself in a position of being in the know, having insider information, getting interviews, scoops, you also take on a higher level of responsibiity. YOu have an opportunity to use the influence for greater things than some sort of us against Brain Frons or Susan Lucci campaign when we all know the issues are way beyond one person or one network. ANd aren’t you still watching OLTL one of the shows Brian Frons’s network airs? If he is the evil incarnate, nothing he does should be any good right? You folks know as well as I do he’s just a stooge and mouthpiece. Recycling the same producers, writers, showrunners for years just propagates whats not working. Great Bob Guza is out, fantastic LML was replaced at Y&R, halleluyah Dena Higley was finally shown the door at Days, but who replaced them? People who have been in this industry for years with the same dated mindsets. Sure the writing might improve for a time. BUt as RC at OLTL shows and FV and Tomlin and Phelps and Paul Raush and even the writers and producers people celebrate as great, in the end it doesn’t change anything and doesn’t do anything to help or change or future generate this genre.

    As for OLTL being so much better and improving in the ratings, its not. Nothing wrong with celebrating good things but what’s changed. The writing for women better? Has the show grown young viewers? Are the demos in a position that should protect this show. HOnestly looking at how the rest of scripted TV is judged, all these shows including Y&R should be cancelled for their shoddy demos. Daytime should not get some free pass. Why?

    Maybe my mistake is treating these blogs more as jounalistic efforts than they really are, fansites. And the message I get here is the same I got from the soaps. We don’t care about you and your input is not relevant so you must just hate for the sake of hating and if you don’t think or feel the way we do we don’t care. And how thats better than the people at the networks who dont care? Maybe Im being unfair to expect the press and journalists to be held to a higher level of integrity or as I said treating these sites and the soap press as legitimate journalists. And on that note I am gone and wish all here the best.

  76. Avatar of californiaguy888
    californiaguy888

    Mr. Giddens, I would like to add my comments to your ‘letter to Lucci’..
    Thank you for once again telling it as it is. I have always enjoyed your blogs and I too watched the clip of Ms. Lucci being dismissive of a ‘negative blogger’ and couldn’t stop wondering if perhaps she had those Bold & Beautiful ‘psychodelic berries’ for lunch. I mean come on! Maybe she found some since B&B is taped in the same building as The Talk. Thank you so much for your insightful blogging and interesting articles.

  77. Avatar of Restless Vixen
    Restless Vixen

    [quote]…but that was a silly thing for her to say, because it sounded as if Jamey or the blogger with the agenda caused the cancellations. In that Q&A on the Talk that stupidity shouldnt have even been brought up, because it was a factual rumor, and stop it with the rumor. That was not the time nor the place to bring that up again. I love Susan, but that threw me.[/quote]
    This, OMG THIS! That’s what bothered me about Lucci’s comments on The Talk as well. Why the fugg was she still talking about a rumor? What rumor? There is no rumor anymore! We done passed Rumorville and are in Fact Land! That just sounded so silly in my opinion. She seemed more perturbed about some blogger than the powers that be cancelling her show. It’s one thing not to bite the hand that feeds you, but at this point does it really even matter anymore? She still seems to be absolving them (ABCD) of any fault or blame.

  78. Avatar of 4lynna
    4lynna

    Jamie thanks for the TRUTH!!! That line about Micky Mouse with blood on his hands is a classic!! You hit on so much of what I’m feeling, I don’t know where to start. I’ve been watching soaps since the early ’70s. When they show some of those old clips of “Erica” I can remember watching it! I’ve seen a lot of my favorite shows come to an end and I can accept that it happens, but this soap mess HURTS! I guess it’s because I have put so much time and emotion in them (over 30yrs). I’ve watched them on all 3 networks!! I started with the ABC soaps. I feel like I’m being spit on by the network brass and I won’t forget it!!! The lies, no respect for me the viewer. I’m gonna start watching “Matlock” and “In the Heat of the Night” in the afternoon. I have always loved Susan, buying her magazine covers, watching those movies of the week, but now I’m through. I know there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes, but I have lost all respect for Susan Lucci and soap stars like her!! How can “Erica” mean more to me than her? I didn’t make any money from the show!! Don’t give me that company girl stuff, she’s a wet noodle! Unlike you Jamie, I will not keep watching. I will not keep giving my time and emotions to these people. Ten years from now when she writes her behind the scenes at “All My Children” book I DON’T WON’T TO HEAR IT. NOW IS THE TIME TO SPEAK!!!!! Jamie, KEEP THE TRUTH COMING!!! Love you!!

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