Dear Susan Lucci, My Only Agenda Is Saving Soaps






Daytime superstar Susan Lucci visited The Talk on Thursday and got fans buzzing about the possibility of All My Children continuing on another network. Before that, she mentioned not believing the AMC cancellation rumors initially because they came from a blogger, who she thought had a "negative agenda." As the blogger most likely in question, Ms. Lucci I must respectfully say, my only agenda has always been helping to save the soaps.


Like millions of soap fans, I adore these serials. Their characters are like family to me; their amazing stories, like treasured heirlooms. The not-so-great tales are like any family secrets, painful, and I'd like to forget them if at all possibly, but some drunk relative keeps bringing them up at the Fourth of July barbecue.

Ms. Lucci, growing up in a sports-obsessed town, straight out of Friday Night Lights, an overweight black kid who would rather read Soap Opera Weekly than play center on his high school football team wasn't in danger of winning any popularity contests.  Soaps were my salvation until I could save myself by heading off for college to pursue a writing and broadcasting career.

While most of my peers at Southern Arkansas University were inspired by great writers like Samuel Clemens, Charles Dickens, Berstein and Woodward, I wanted to be the next Agnes Nixon or Bill Bell. This was a fact that netted me more than my fair share of eyerolls, smirks and giggles, but I didn't care. I knew soaps had the same transformative power of the best newspaper articles, plays or movies, because they had transformed me from someone who felt painfully unworthy, because I couldn't hit a fastball like one of my cousins— nor did I want to—into someone who believed I could escape small towns and small minds to lead a fabulous life full of romance, career success and the occasional battle with a Sweeps month serial killer.

Have I been highly critical about AMC's storytelling in recent years? Absolutely. I've been hyper critical of all bad soap stories, because I've born witness to the amazing sagas this genre can tell, as have my droves of readers and podcast listeners.

I would debate the snobbiest of film or theatre buffs on the social themes, characterization and acting chops displayed in such stories as Cindy Chandler's (Ellen Wheeler) battle with AIDS and prejudice in Pine Valley or Bianca Montgomery's (Eden Riegel) coming out. I'd even defend the splashy, escapist romance of Erica Kane and her Hungarian count Dimitri Marick (Michael Nader), or the delicious, melodramatic villainy of Erica's badseed daughter Kendall Hart (Sarah Michelle Gellar, Alicia Minshew), and the campy hijinks of Opal (Jill Larson) and Palmer (the late James Mitchell), which is why stories about poisoned pancakes and unaborted fetuses made the whites of my eyes go black. 

Never have I once criticized All My Children's veteran cast for the state the show was in. Although I have blasted TIIC's penchant for putting vapid newbies front and center at the expense of said veterans, such as yourself, Debbi Morgan, David Canary, Michael E. Knight, etc.

Have I reported on AMC executive producer Julie Hanan Caruther's inability to bring this show in under budget? Of course I have, because it was the truth. Countless sources have detailed to me what a major headache AMC's budgetary woes have been for Disney in recent years. ABC didn't move All My Children across the country for the weather. 

I know Hanan Caruthers is popular with the cast and crew, but in these hard economic times—for all of network TV, not just daytime—it was her task as showrunner to do whatever it took to keep this show financially healthy. She didn't accomplish that. Not that it would have made any difference, since Frank Valentini reportedly has done his job managing One Life to Live's finances effectively and his show is getting the boot as well. 

Ms. Lucci, you've mentioned ABC showing you a document stating AMC's financials were sound, however since the cancellations of AMC and OLTL were announced, Frons himself has said in countless interviews they weren't, so I am puzzled as to what exactly you read on my blog that "wasn't true"? I'm sorry, but once again these people lied to your face.

Back in 2008, I was the first person to report that ABC was forcing its daytime employees to take massive, across the board pay cuts. Mere hours after that report went up, ABC Daytime released a statement to Soap Opera Digest saying what I reported wasn't true. The next day, Agnes Nixon confirmed my story to Advertising Age.

I was also the first to report that All My Children would be moved to Los Angeles. ABC Daytime told Soap Central that report was "rumors that had been in the zeitgeist forever." When the move was announced, just days later, I reported that ABC came dangerously close to cancelling both AMC and OLTL, a fact that was angrily denied to the soap press, including me, in phone conversations with ABC Daytime's Vice-President of Publicity and True Lies Jori Petersen

The PR peeps at ABC Daytime wanted me to be quiet. They even offered me greater access to their stars, interviews, etc. if I would basically just pipe down and be another publicity vehicle for ABC Daytime. As you've probably noticed, much like Julia Roberts' character in Something to Talk About, I have a problem eating poop politely, even for a Kim Zimmer interview.  

Since I broke the story of the AMC move, I've ran numerous reports on Frons' aggressive development of vehicles to replace ABC's soaps—long before the mainstream media decided to go there—hoping that if I got the word out, fans and the industry could fight back a la the efforts to save primetime shows like Chuck and Fringe. Silly Jamey, tricks are for kids.

Over and over again my coverage of the state of ABC Daytime, my calls to action, were dismissed. Then, after Brian Frons broke the hearts of millions of soap fans by announcing the cancellations of two soaps at once, he went to Deadline and in one fell swoop, confirmed each and every expose, rumor report and breaking news item I've reported about ABC Daytime on this blog since 2008.

I am sorry Ms. Lucci, but the agenda you should have been focused on was Brian Frons', not mine. I'm simply a loudmouth, black, overweight fanboy from Texas who didn't want to see his 'stories' go away. I'm not the one with Erica Kane's blood on my hands—Mickey Mouse is.

At any rate, I still love me some Erica Kane and  you, La Lucci, and pray you're right about someone picking up AMC, not to mention OLTL and GH, if and when it comes to that. In the meantime, I'm gonna keep on blogging and keep on watching you both on AMC and in interviews like the one below:



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And yet cable shows still get cancelled when they don't perform and attract the viewers they want. Maybe explain why a show like Jersey Shore (which I hate) can out perform a show like Greys Anatomy in the key demo.

All I never hear are excuses as to why these shows are still relevant to women. They aren't and apparently people still to this day won't accept that as one of the main reasons these shows have dropped. The result. 1 crappy woman hating soap, OLTL, and one poorly written soap AMC which lost its identity years ago, both cancelled. But by all means continue to place the blame on Brian Frons as if he's responsible for the entire genre dying. Not that I have any used for him, hes an incompetent stooge, but get real people.

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You have to market to the 18-49 demographic for TV advertising for the same reason the music industry has to market to tweens and teens--at their point in the typical life cycle; they are likely to have more disposal income to spend on non-essential goods and services and a greater willingness to spend it immediately.
By the time a woman reaches age 50; she is hardly worried about if her "vjayjay" smells like strawberries in order to lure a sex partner--she's experienced enough to know that good ole soap and water will do; and she is not likely to spend the money she has on such nonsense.
She is not gonna care if she isn't considered hip or cool because she doesn't have the latest Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga track before her peers get it--she might spend her available funds on a good dinner and a bottle of wine or put it into her saving account to pay for the cruise she hopes to take in 2 years.
Even if older people have more money to spend; the psychology of the choices they make is different--they're just not as easily lured into supporting fads with their hard-earned cash and they have been schooled by life into delaying immediate gratification of whims in order to plan for the long-term.

As much as we might not like the advertising-driven decisions TV executives make; there is strong economic and psychological theory underlying their moves.

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baffled wrote:
You have to market to the 18-49 demographic for TV advertising for the same reason the music industry has to market to tweens and teens--at their point in the typical life cycle; they are likely to have more disposal income to spend on non-essential goods and services and a greater willingness to spend it immediately.
By the time a woman reaches age 50; she is hardly worried about if her "vjayjay" smells like strawberries in order to lure a sex partner--she's experienced enough to know that good ole soap and water will do; and she is not likely to spend the money she has on such nonsense.
She is not gonna care if she isn't considered hip or cool because she doesn't have the latest Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga track before her peers get it--she might spend her available funds on a good dinner and a bottle of wine or put it into her saving account to pay for the cruise she hopes to take in 2 years.
Even if older people have more money to spend; the psychology of the choices they make is different--they're just not as easily lured into supporting fads with their hard-earned cash and they have been schooled by life into delaying immediate gratification of whims in order to plan for the long-term.

As much as we might not like the advertising-driven decisions TV executives make; there is strong economic and psychological theory underlying their moves.
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Im Sorry But Thats Crap People Dont Just Stop Living Once They Turn 50 and its a sad state of affairs when people think that. In fact People Normally Retire around 63 and if they saver their money would then have disposable income.

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Im Sorry But Thats Crap People Dont Just Stop Living Once They Turn 50 and its a sad state of affairs when people think that. In fact People Normally Retire around 63 and if they saver their money would then have disposable income.

I think you missed the entire point. People over 50 are not likely to let advertisements sway their buying decisions, brand loyalties have already been established by that age,major lifestyle purchases like homes and cars and furnshings appliances already established, and are generally not into the latest fads and trends. Whether you think its crap or not there is a science to the metrics the advertisers use. You don't think it applies, take it up with the execs on Madison ave. This has been in place for the last 40 years.

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18-49 Rating demo became a fiocus in the 90's

And If Were Talkin Groups with Disposable Income why isnt Their a rating That Counts the GLBT community and what they watch. They have lots of Money To Spend. Learned That In My Marketing Class.

And yes I know that sounds stupid it is. As is the 18-49 demo. They should just pay attention to HH

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I suggest you pick up a copy of a publication called Advertising Age if you want the full history behind this. Plus there is a lot of information on website called TV by the Numbers.

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I've mentioned this before, but A.C. Nielsen, the creator of the system was on What's My Line? 50 years ago...and they were complaining THEN about the ratings. So, it's never going to change. Television as we know it will be dead before things change.

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Everyone has pretty much said it, Jamey you wrote a beautiful piece and I enjoyed reading it. I also hope Susan Lucci was not referring to you b/c we know your intent in breaking daytime news and critiquing is not to be malicious.

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It is pretty clear that Susan was referring to Jamey and DC. She said she read stuff from a blogger on his site.

I hope that these soap stars, writers, producers, etc. on the remaining soaps finally come to the realization that they shouldn't dismiss us (us as in the online community), b/c if they don't that mindset they have will make them as culpable as "that Mr. Brian Frons" and others in the daytime community that have played a part in the destruction of the daytime soaps.

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AS a long time soap lover of the past and as one of many millions of women who have tuned out of soaps over the past 10 years, this site and many online sites don't speak to us. Why should the writers and producers of these shows listen to onliners. I as hell don't want to watch any show that glorifies raperomances, makes fun of mental illness, tells socially irrespnsible storytelling, has man crazy bimbos running around throwing themselves over worthless unappealing men. If this is the definition and standard people here think is good soap, no wonder the soap genre is on its last legs. Brian Frons gave you exactly what you are celebrating as good soap. And yet the ratings still don't justify keeping this crap on the air. Perhaps had people online pushed for real changes,relevant progressive storytelling as these shows used to tell, these shows wouldn't be as irrelevant as they are today.

And while Brian Frons is an incredible douchebag, someone point me to where he alone is resposible for the loss of all the soaps that have been cancelled over all the years including the recent cancellations of Passions, Guiding Light, and ATWT. If so he's a hell of a lot smarter than I ever thought he was.

And if Susan was referring to this blog it was likely something someone mentioned to her. I doubt she has the time or interest in reading any of the content here.

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I don’t know about other folks, but I do know, at least the daytime folks who have twitter or FB or any online communication, DO know of DC’s existence. Some follow it on twitter, and have made comments to the columnists and sometimes communicate back and forth with them regularly. Even from the actors remarks on twitter, you can tell they read the blog, because they point out specific remarks we’ve made about their characters. Many of them laugh it off and joke with us, which is something I appreciate. I wouldn’t be the least bit shocked if Susan knew about this blog or if someone told her about it. Doesn’t matter how high up she is, and I totally respect Susan Lucci, as an actress and a person, always have, always will. But the actors know about it. It wasn't long ago when Farah Fath contacted them about some remark JPL made, suggesting clarification on his 'wording'. And Ricky Paull called the cancellation talk 'vicious rumors' and sent Jamey a tweet right before cancellations went down. Here's the link to what he said: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/9f88b7

That was in March. And even if HE didn't know himself, he was told. I saved that tweet because some of these folks have foot in mouth syndrome. There's a cure. It's called shutting up.

So my guess is if Susan got her information about a blogger with a ‘negative agenda’ it was more than likely DC. Couldn't imagine it being Errol or the We Love Soaps guys because they don't run their information the same there; the information can be similar, like with SOD/SOW/ABCSID and so on, but there is a BIG difference on how that information is given to us. IMO, this site is the most well-known with such varying opinions and "Telling it like it T-I-Tis" statements. Even if I don't agree with all that's said, I respect what's written and appreciate getting info upfront, good, bad, ugly, in between. It's like my mama telling me my butt is too big for that dress or too small for those jeans. I may not like hearing it, but in the end, it MUST be said.

I’ve always thought actors should keep shut before they know the deal in regards to their shows. Don't tell us it's safe when we know otherwise and when we're trying to tell YOU to watch your back to be prepared for the eventual drop. Don't tell us you KNOW 'its all good', when the insiders and sources are leaking info left and right saying it's a done deal and the shows are done. The actors are ALWAYS the last to know and folks like Chrishell have admitted so, which is why some just asked us to support the shows and others gave helpful info on who to contact and thanked fans for support before cancellation finally went down. The networks lie to everyone. Wouldn't be surprised if that was Rule #1 in the Book to running a network... straight into the ground. Actors may make more money than us average Joe's and Josie's, but they also hear the most lies from their bosses and everyone else under the sun. That's apparent. We as fans invest our time in these shows for love of the genre. Why would we waste it lying to people we love watching everyday??? I'm not trying to argue, but I'm just trying to point out that even if the actors don't mention the site by name, they know about it, just like the nighttime and movie celebs know about that vile Perez.

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I must be listening to a different podcast then. I have heard praise for AMC when deserved, and praise for OLTL when deserved. I have heard bashing for AMC when deserved, and bashing for OLTL when deserved. The sad thing is that there have been more reasons to bash AMC lately. I recall a time when poor Luke didn't have any emotional connection to AMC at all anymore, and that's his baby. I also don't recall anyone praising the DID storyline, and the only thing I have heard positive about mad Marty is the acting of Susan Haskell. I don't see the complete and holistic praise for OLTL that some others seem to see.

However, when it comes to the cancellation, everyone on the podcast - not just Jamey - all said the stories themselves don't matter. It's about the ratings and the budget. So from what I heard, the outcry of AMC being cancelled versus OLTL was due to the finances. Yes, they have their favorites, don't we all? But if this was a financially driven decision, OLTL being underbudget and AMC being over-budget should have saved OLTL. The fact that both shows were cancelled proved that something else was at play.

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Being under budget and making a healthy profit are 2 different things. The thing that boggles my mind is where is the proof that OLTL is making a healthy profit? Where is the proof that OLTL's ratings are so much better than AMC's or GH's. Someone show me where and I'll back off. Where has there been improvement in OLTL's money making demos over GH's or AMC's and lets not forget Y&R whos money making demos have also dropped. Those are the financial facts.IF anything I would love to know why GH was spared over the other 2.

I don't care which AMC actor read what and if the actors and shows are actually listening and making decisions based on feedback on line which is nothing but a bunch of agenda filled fangurls and fanboys no wonder these shows are dying. I don't believe Susan Lucci for a second comes online and reads soap blogs. This woman is on a book tour has a ton of other busines and professional ventures going on to worry about what some blogger says. COuld her castmates have made comments to her about the comments about an anti AMC blog site and how those cancellation rumors stemmed from that perhaps. But I doubt Susan Lucci really cares what anyone online says or thinks about her. Maybe the anger stems from the fact she never mentioned the name of the person. But she likely has no clue.

As for this site or any current soap blog being critical of soaps, I haven't seen any site at all address the real reasons why these shows have become irrelevant to todays younger female viewer. Not one. And celebrating writers who honestly are recycled and are a good part of the problem also? Those telling some of us who don't find the criticism voiced here to just leave, thats exactly what we were told when voicing our concerns about the problems with the current soaps and guess what we did and thats why the genre is at the verge of cancellation.

Until I hear a serious journalist out there really critique the fundamental problems with these shows, all I will continue to hear is a bunch of fangurls and fanboys complaining because they are not getting what or who "THEY" feel should be showcased or featured. Which is all that the online community to date has represented as a whole. Recyling writers, producers, even actors from soap to soap has done and will continue to do anything to repair the fundamental issues at hand.

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What I dont like what happened here is what Chrischell, Bobbie Eakes did about a week after the soaps were cancelled. They stirred the pot on twitter sounding like there was hope, that something big had happened to save the soaps. Now Susan Lucci matter of factly got on the Talk saying what she did about not being sure the soap is cancelled. This innuendo is maddening., To me, it is much more maddening than "some Blogger" spreading rumors because we dont want soaps cancelled so when we hear from the actors, we realllllly think there is a chance. Im not talking nasty about Chrischell of BE, I love them both, but that wasnt right. And I love Susan too, but that was a bit much. I still hope and pray I look like her when I get to be her age.

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In one of the many interviews given by Frons since he cancelled AMC/OLTL there should be comments about OLTL profit being used to fund the 10 to 15 test shows like the Chew and Revolution.

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@katkit. If we are so irrelevant, out-of-touch with soap viewers and basically unknown in the soap industry (Several sources have told me Brian Frons specifically warns in meetings that he'd better not see what was discussed on Daytime Confidential, and an AMC actress herself told me at the Daytime Emmys two years ago what it was like in the hair and makeup room the day I broke the AMC move), then why do you visit DC?

Don't get me wrong I appreciate the business, but I'm just curious. I totally respect everyone's opinion and those who have ripped me for praising OLTL (though the whole "we never take OLTL task bit" is not true), but you specifically seem to hate the site and everything we do, yet here you are, since 2009.

I guess people missed when we ripped the Rapemance, I even said on a podcast, if that story was Ron C.'s idea he should be fired. Though I will readily admit he's considered among the majority of our staff the best head writer currently writing in daytime, but we've been pissed at him plenty of times.

If you follow what I write and say on the podcast (as opposed to just making generalized statements) you'd know this is pretty much the first Messica storyline I've enjoyed since Dena Higley. Yes, Dena Higley—who I think has been a cancer for the industry—I praised for having a better handle on the Tess character than Ron.

I also ripped the B.E. takeover, which Luke and my other co-hosts loved at the time, I hated the time travel story back to Texas (which most critics loved and praised among R.C.'s best work). I ripped the Morasco Fiasco, though I did clarify that Crystal Hunt was forced on TPTB by Brian Frons, because...she was. I think I've more than proven my ABCD sources are impeccable, and that's what I was told.

I also ripped Frank V.'s handling of the Kish debacle, etc. Do I think OLTL is easily the most watchable soap on daytime? Yes. That's my "opinion". It's a fact however that it comes in $1 million under budget annually, consistently, while AMC was so overbudget it had to be moved across country as a last ditch effort to try to save it.

If it seems like we praise OLTL over AMC, it's because, well, the network has never lifted a finger to help it succeed. Which soaps went HD first? Which soaps stars have been on Dancing With The Stars, yet insiders point to OLTL's weak brand as why GH and AMC were favored. AMC and GH have had significantly higher budgets, expansive PR and marketing campaigns, etc., while OLTL was moved into a dank basement in NYC and basically told to sink or swim. Yet, their ratings are now better than GH and AMC and have been for months. Those are facts. It's my opinion that the stories are much better than AMC's, and that can certainly be debated.

I screamed for Chuck Pratt to be fired because he was destroying the show, much like McTavish before her. Ron has definitely had turkeys. The Rapemance key among them and again, we called him on that, but OLTL hasn't systematically tried to destroy everything that fans hold dear.

You talk about The Rapemance being an abomination, which it was, but what about the first legalized abortion in daytime being undone by Megan McTavish? What about being so scared to give Bianca a love interest, they had her fall for a pre-op male-to-female transsexual?

What about Pratt destroying Reese and Bianca, then blaming the actress? I know for a fact AMC wanted to have Bianca sleep with Ryan during the Pratt year. Brian Frons let his best friends destroy this show, a show I've loved for 20 years, so yeah, it pisses me off. I'm much harder on the shows I have the longer history with, which I preface all the time.

It is my personal reaction that OLTL, a show I've only watched for 5 years, in my opinion is so much more engaging than not. Does it have major issues? Of course and we call them on it all the time, but IMO it's at least watchable. There have been great lengths of time where myself as a viewer literally felt nauseous having to watch AMC and that colored my perception.

I also appreciate the fact that OLTL actors stand up and call the creators to the carpet when things are bad. AMC doesn't do that. They toe the company line and blame the messengers. I said I wasn't going to respond, because I stand by my reporting of the facts and my ability to separate it from my opinions. You can most assuredly disagree. I welcome it.

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You keep picking a fight where there is none with folks voicing their opinions that happen not to agree with yours, kat. If you don’t like the way any of these sites are run because they, and apparently WE, are all fangurls and boys with agendas, by all means, do the research to get to the nitty gritty of finding out the TRUE ratings and create your own. What's written here isn't written in stone. OLTL being great isn’t a fact, it’s opinion. AMC being terrible isn’t fact, it’s opinion. The sky is blue??? Fact. The grass is green??? Fact. The actors being lied to??? Fact. The cancellations??? Fact. My point of saying that actors know of the site is, well, a FACT, as proven. ICGAFF if Susan knows herself or if she was told. That’s NOT the point. She’s a top star and I love her as a person and actress, but I’m sorry, I don’t believe the sun shines out of even Oprah’s ass. NO one in the industry should act like their shit don’t stink at this point, sorry. Her being on a book tour??? Irrelevant. She STILL heard the rumors and said herself she heard the rumors were coming from a 'blogger' with a 'negative agenda'. Bottom line, the actors KNOW about it just like they know about We Love Soaps and SON. They’ve been interviewed on all THREE countless times. The podcasts HERE prove that.

And my guess is someone TOLD her of THIS SITE if she’s not sitting back and reading it on a Saturday night like most celebs who reluctantly, but readily, admit to reading Perez and JustJared or Googling themselves. Big effing deal either way. Once again, that's NOT my point. The POINT is, it's known, period. Even if you or others don’t agree or don’t like it. Every comment is an attempt at a smackdown because you happen not to agree with the lot of us in regards to the shows, ratings, writers, etc, etc. Sorry if some of us think OLTL is good these days and can hardly tolerate AMC, and GH, for that matter. I’ve watched all the ABC soaps since I was a child, and GH was my home. Now it’s OLTL. I find it watchable for many reasons others DON’T. That’s FINE. Even some of my DC and twitter friends think OLTL sucks, I wouldn’t deny them a ride to the maltshop because we DISAGREE. But just because I LOVE it doesn’t mean the show shits gold.

We’re NOT trying to argue, we’re TRYING to get our points across the same way that YOU are. An opinion is just like an a**hole, everyone has one. Wipe and flush. It’s not a requirement to join or post here, but obviously something catches you or you wouldn’t keep coming back to post in the same section. I lurked for at least a year before finally posting because something caught MY eye to the point where I just HAD to write something, and I’ve been a member ever since because I LIKE it. Trust and believe if I didn’t want to sit in church, I damn for sure wouldn’t buy a first class ticket to the pew on the right.

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WOW Jamey Brava. Totally Agree

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Katkit, I understand and agree with alot of what you are saying. I could care less if OLTL comes in 1 million under budget they needed to spend some of that money on some researchers so that these storylines could be more true to life and I agree with everything you posted about the ratings. The system is what it is and for those who don't understand why over 50 is as important it is simply this they watch more tv than 18-49 group so advertiser's can reach them more easily. 18-49 crowd is the most wanted demo because it is the hardest to reach it isn't all about disposable income. Also coming in under budget no matter the amount is not the same as generating revenue,and the show is still expensive to produce.

OLTL is beating the other ABC soaps in HH but not in demos and frankly even those numbers aren't good and this was a sweeps period with the add attraction of a huge return in Roger Howarth. Jump up and down all you like but nothing in those numbers are impressive at most it just leads to bragging rights on the internet.

I for one admit that I have seen times when OLTL was taken to task over storyline and acting but that is not what KitKat was saying. The apparent love fest over everything OLTL in the present is sickening at times and there is not much to be praising on the show. I don't listen to the podcast so if all the critiquing is being down there then my bad, as far as I can tell everyone loves the show to pieces and finds little wrong with it. All this AMC is so bad right now well so is OLTL with the difference just being a preference over one show than the other.

KitKat I agree the reason why the genre is fading is because the few people with the power and ability to call it out did not. A lot of the soap press come across as fangirls/boys I have yet to read a real critique of any soap story the most we get are recaps. I would really like for someone to explain to me what is so good right now on OLTL it being the most watchable doesn't make it the greatest thing ever it just means that the other soaps are doing worst. The reason why I come to this blog and others is for soap news this is all we have

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What The Hell So Some one Likes OLTL Over AMC I Loved GH From 555-5555 and think it sucks now

Its An OPINION Whay Are Arguring Someone's OPINION Of What He Feels About A Show

The Fact That It Comes 1 Million Under Is Important That may Not be much but its the only ABC DT Soap That Does That, wheter or not u like OLTL That Is FACT

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I agree with appleridge, as usual. Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. Once again, perpetuating arguments where there shouldn’t be any. I find OLTL watchable for the same reasons folks find GH watchable when it turns my stomach. It’s the same reason I watch GG when others think it’s trashy or why I read Twilight when other’s think it’s poorly written. I think the writing sucks too, but I LOVE the story. Judge me? Fine. Is what it is. I TRULY don’t understand why varying opinions on these shows are being debated back and forth. That’s ALL they are, opinions. If some folks like OLTL and others think it sucks, fine. If they love GH and I think it’s shyte, great! I honestly don’t get the big deal considering some love the show and others hate it. It won’t get me to tune out just like it wont get others to tune in. They will ALL soon be cancelled anyway. This going back and forth between fellow soap fans who don’t agree on these cancelled shows is doing nothing but stirring an already boiling pot.

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KitKat I agree the reason why the genre is fading is because the few people with the power and ability to call it out did not.
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Okay, then where's your soap blog? We have the "power and ability" because we did it ourselves. It's soooo easy to sit back under a fake name on a message board and say what everyone else should do. I was just a commentor on the SOAPnet message boards when Luke met me, but I've managed to create a voice in the industry. It may a voice people want to silence, I respect that, but I did it as a fan. So instead of talking about what everyone else should do with their power as a soap fan, why not do something with yours?

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I have news for everyone here - I watch all three soaps - All my Children is my favorite. I notice that they dont get daily posts like OLTL and GH and when I first came on this site I asked why. I never got an answer. But I dont care cause not all of us like the same thing. Except soaps. We all like soaps. Plus, me personally I never looked anymore for a daily recap on amc cause it wasnt there and just never thought about it again. That being said Jamey DID NOT - people I repeat DID not ever make me feel as tho he had an agenda with anyone. Ive only started to comment recently but have read these boards for years, and I dont see agenda. And I love SL but that was a silly thing for her to say, because it sounded as if Jamey or the blogger with the agenda caused the cancellations. In that Q&A on the Talk that stupidity shouldnt have even been brought up, because it was a factual rumor, and stop it with the rumor. That was not the time nor the place to bring that up again. I love Susan, but that threw me. And you know what, that sounded to me like a comment with an agenda. What that will be time will tell, but there was an agenda behind her answer as far as Im concerned.OK everyone - get mad at me.

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And I love SL but that was a silly thing for her to say, because it sounded as if Jamey or the blogger with the agenda caused the cancellations
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THIS! That right there is why I wrote the piece. A 41-year-old entertainment industry institution was purposefully dismantled and in the few brief segments on a national talk show, when perhaps the real reasons soaps are dying could have been addressed, once again the "evil blogger" was blamed.

Maybe if more stars or the mainstream soap press had investigated Frons and his incestuous relations with the people who worked from him, not to mention the rampant, ineffective efforts to rebrand SOAPnet—all things I've blogged here on my agenda driven blog—soaps could have stood more of chance.

We do this because we love the industry. Luke and I don't have suites of offices in NYC like the editors of Digest and Weekly. No limo has ever picked me up for work, like former Digest editors got. We did this as fans because we love this genre. We are not the "mainstream press" that owes anyone anything. We report the news and give our opinions as we see them. If anyone is truly that offended by our coverage, why come here?

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To change gears a bit, has the intended purpose of this open letter happened? Do your moles have anything to share about the reactions from Susan or the other actors (if there has been any reaction of course) about this?

And really at "that Mr. Brian Frons" mandate for the actors not to speak of DC. Exhibit C in the wrongful death of the daytime soaps case.

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"Maybe if more stars or the mainstream soap press had investigated Frons and his incestuous relations with the people who worked from him, not to mention the rampant, ineffective efforts to rebrand SOAPnet—all things I've blogged here on my agenda driven blog—soaps could have stood more of chance."

Well my name is Stephanie and I don't want to start a blog, I do not love this industry that much to devote as much time as starting a blog would require. As a soap fan the only power I have is if I want to watch the show or not and I have exercise that power many times. As a part of the soap press I assume you have a different power than I. Maybe if more of the soap press like you stated went hard on the industry and not just with ABC soaps all soaps could have stood more of a chance. I never said I was offended I stated that it was slanted coverage but you are right my views don't fit in with the site so I won't be bothering you again.

Giogio - I think you will find that most people have agendas.

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@East.West in all honesty I wrote it based on my own need to set the record straight, from where I was coming from. I haven't tried to find out if Ms. Lucci was aware of it or if she wasn't. I was putting it all into perspective on my end. This isn't the first time she's mentioned the "blogger with the agenda."

Plus there was Ricky Paull's rants to SOD about what a "sin" a blogger "starting a rumor" like this was, and then attacking the DC twitter profile and me (Oh but wait, they don't know who I am...).

I didn't start a rumor, I reported the facts. I separate the facts and my opinion quite clearly. It's my opinion OLTL is the better show. It's a fact it's in better financial shape and has not received the same support from the network over the years. The end result, howeve,r for both of the shows, the one I gush over, and the one I can't believe was allowed to get so bad, is the same. They've been cancelled.

So obviously it's all a helluva lot bigger than what I ran on my blog or when and where Lucci found out what. I just think it's pretty silly to not take the opportunity to talk about how ABC Daytime's allowance of AMC to let writers and producers make fatal decisions wasn't discussed, but there was time to once again mention a blooger with an agenda. Whatever my mythological agenda is, guess what? It most certainly isn't being listened to by ABC.

I get accused of having an agenda about Liason. Are they together? Nope. I had a gay agenda is supporting Kish. Are they still on the show? Nada. So it looks like I need to take "Agenda For Dummies", because my nefarious plans keep seeming to fail! LMAO

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You did get AMC cancelled, though, Jamey, so you're 1-for-3. Wink

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The disconect here is that they have already made up in their minds that you guys are the enemy.

And what kills me is that they act like everything you have broke concerning ABCD hasn't come true.

Again, this is big of you. I would've just said "y'all are still canceled right?" "you took a pay cut right?", "you in LA right?" and keep it moving, b/c (and I would imagine) there's a breaking point in this game of shooting the messenger.

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First of all my name is Kaitlen Mathison and I am a registered nurse who lives in Salem Oregon. So not hidden

Second I don't come here much but this whole situation with what Susan Lucci did or didn't allegedly do honestly bothered me. Not because I feel she's above reproach,shes not perfect, because anything SHE AND ONLY SHE appears to do or not do seems to be twisted to fulfill some disppointment or feeling that she should be doing more or should be doing what others have done. Shes a scapegoat. I doubt she knows of this blog in particular. I have to wonder why she would want to give that hack Nelson Branco an interview and that is an issue I do have with her. But I think its unfair to compare her actions to others. Other than someone like Tristan Rogers, I have not seen one person working in this industry or having worked in it say or do anything to highlight the real issues. Its easy to blame Brian Frons. Hes an easy person to rally against. But are people here really naive enough to believe Brian Frons is the real issue here. Really. I have no love for the man but honestly get real. As for what Susan or has not done, said, or influenced over the past 40 years of her career at AMC, noone other than Susan can speak to that or should. Case closed on that.

As for being a soap blogger, I am not a journalist, I don't claim or want to be. I don't claim to have any credibility other than being a disenfranchised Soap Viewer.

This is not an AMC or OLTL issue its a larger issue. It saddens me that people who's opinions seem to matter to some don't use that influence for pushing for improvement, and real progressive change. I've done all I can do by writing over the years only to see my dissatisfaction go no where. The message that sent was they don't care. Certainly I am not the only one out there who's felt this way, otherwise there would be millions of people still watching that have since left. You want to think Brian Frons is the evil incarnate your choice. He's part of the problem, just another washed up dated Soap opera industry exec who has no clue or interest in progression.

Am I disappointed in the soap press yes. Am I disappointed thst the mainstream press has never taken soaps seriously enough to challenge what is really going on. Yes. But I am not sure I blame them. All the soap journalists have done is play into the stereotypes that makes everyone in the main stream poke fun at soaps and people who love them and pander to the writers and execs and actors they want. THat in itself polarizes fans.

While not in this letter why comparing Susan Lucci to Robin Strasser and Kim Zimmer? What exactly have they done. You wonder why people might believe this be partially an anti AMC motivated action? I am not saying and never have said it is but it clearly is not out of the boundries of reality to think it might be motivated by that. I remember reading the "Why OLTL should be saved" column here and being bothered because OLTL's own fate as stated by this blog was decided when AMC was moved to LA. Neither show has done anything to warrant saving. And all that mentality has done is to polarize fans more that unite them in a time were you would think soladarity was more important than ever.

And its not just this blog, its other blogs, its the columnists who seem to prefer to buy into what the shows are selling in many instances as good versus challenging them to be better. I realize I might be picking on this blog and this is not really large money maker for you folks. BUt when you put yourself in a position of being in the know, having insider information, getting interviews, scoops, you also take on a higher level of responsibiity. YOu have an opportunity to use the influence for greater things than some sort of us against Brain Frons or Susan Lucci campaign when we all know the issues are way beyond one person or one network. ANd aren't you still watching OLTL one of the shows Brian Frons's network airs? If he is the evil incarnate, nothing he does should be any good right? You folks know as well as I do he's just a stooge and mouthpiece. Recycling the same producers, writers, showrunners for years just propagates whats not working. Great Bob Guza is out, fantastic LML was replaced at Y&R, halleluyah Dena Higley was finally shown the door at Days, but who replaced them? People who have been in this industry for years with the same dated mindsets. Sure the writing might improve for a time. BUt as RC at OLTL shows and FV and Tomlin and Phelps and Paul Raush and even the writers and producers people celebrate as great, in the end it doesn't change anything and doesn't do anything to help or change or future generate this genre.

As for OLTL being so much better and improving in the ratings, its not. Nothing wrong with celebrating good things but what's changed. The writing for women better? Has the show grown young viewers? Are the demos in a position that should protect this show. HOnestly looking at how the rest of scripted TV is judged, all these shows including Y&R should be cancelled for their shoddy demos. Daytime should not get some free pass. Why?

Maybe my mistake is treating these blogs more as jounalistic efforts than they really are, fansites. And the message I get here is the same I got from the soaps. We don't care about you and your input is not relevant so you must just hate for the sake of hating and if you don't think or feel the way we do we don't care. And how thats better than the people at the networks who dont care? Maybe Im being unfair to expect the press and journalists to be held to a higher level of integrity or as I said treating these sites and the soap press as legitimate journalists. And on that note I am gone and wish all here the best.