What The Hell is Going on With The Young and the Restless?!


The Young and the Restless' latest stunt cast victim, Genie Francis (Genevieve) is loving the soap's writing these days. At least someone is. The soap vet told CBS Soaps In Depth the current writing team at Y&R recalls that of All My Children during Francis' stint on that sudser as glam Ceara Hunter.

"I'd say [Y&R} is on par with the writing team that I experienced in my 20's at AMC. That was led by Agnes Nixon — a very strong writing team."


Take me to the water, so I can be baptized. Sorry, Genie. I was watching AMC back then and it is a shame before God, Agnes and the late Bill Bell to compare the tomfoolery and shenanigans on The Young and the Restless right now to Agnes Nixon's All My Children.

Is anyone on that show watching it, not to mention execs at CBS and Sony? This past week was absolutely atrocious. Who greenlit this implausible, plot driven drivel? Y&R broke every rule of character-driven storytelling last week, as Maria Arena Bell and her team bent half a dozen legacy character to fit yet another of her ridiculous murder mystery plots. 
 

Y&R hasn't even wrapped its last asinine murder caper—the one that has Sharon (Sharon Case) accused of pushing someone into the mouth of an active volcano—before launching into this "Who Killed Diane Jenkins?" mess. There is no way in hell any of these people, other than maybe Adam (Michael Muhney) or Ashley (Eileen Davidson), would truly have been furious enough with Diane (Maura West) to bash her skull in, choke her with a key and/or leave her lying in Murphy's (Michael Fairman) fish pond all night.

Diane has been pulling stunts and scandals for two decades on this show. Why on Earth would all of these people suddenly develop bloodlust because of a mass text message ripped from ABC Family's Pretty Little Liars?

Nick Newman (Joshua Morrow), the show's romantic hero—who we've been informed since his SORAS'ing has his mother's heart as opposed to his ruthless father's— threatening to kill a woman he recently made love with, all because she published a video of his parents having sex? I don't think so. Nick wasn't even this pissed when Adam made Sharon believe their child was dead!

Speaking of Nick and Vicky's (Amelia Heinle) mom. If Nikki's (the MIA Melody Thomas Scott) kids would kill someone who mistreated her, wouldn't Deacon (Sean Kanan) be fish food (Not to mention their father)? The very fact that the ever-observant bartender is still breathing proves Nick and Victoria's possible motives for murder are beyond ridonk.

Phyllis (Michelle Stafford) had a restraining order agains Diane. Why on Earth would she head to a pond to possibly kill her? Because Diane said a few snarky things to her earlier that day? Even if Phyllis did kill Diane, she wouldn't be sloppy enough to lead Ronan Malloy (a Turner Classic Movie name if ever there was one) right to her doorstep asking dumbass questions about Lee Press-On nails. This is a woman who has killed before. Phyllis isn't stupid, although the writers would have us believe she and her fans are, in order to give Jeff Branson another suspect for his dry erase board — that is in the front room of the doggone Genoa City police station!

Ashley (Eileen Davidson) has a slightly plausible motive in that she's a mother lioness trying to protect her cub, plus she has a history of mental instability. Abby (Marcy Rylan) however, just tried to confess to mowing Tucker (Stephen Nichols) down, so why would she kill to stop the news from getting out? The Naked Heiress (one of the few MAB concepts that actually works) would no doubt realize the gossip and infamy generated by almost killing her mom's fiance would only help her campaign to become famous for being famous. Besides, she isn't freaking tall enough to bash someone's skull in, even if she was drunk!

Victor (Eric Braeden) and Tucker are both billionaires They don't handle their enemies by busting them over the heads with rocks, they bankrupt them. As for Jack (Peter Bergman), sure he was pissed at Diane for hiding Kyle, but I'm sure he would call his attorney, Paul Williams (Doug Davidson) or hell even the Psychic Friends Network before resorting to murder.

As if this murder mystery wasn't bad enough, you have Victor trying to take Jack's son from him out of spite and Kay (Jeanne Cooper) becoming more and more abominable in her quest to control her 60-year-old, long-lost son's life. Does anyone on this "strong writing team" realize that Victor hates Jack simply because Jack had everything handed to him, while Victor had to work for everything he has? That's always been the throughline.

Victor has never thought Jack was a bad parent; hell Jack and Miguel the Manny raised Victor's kids! As for Kay, she was a dear, dear friend of Ashley's late father. Her vicious campaign against John's "Beauty" and Tucker is so out of character I barely recognize Kay, but then that's likely the point since Scott Hamner is obviously trying to turn her into Angela Channing from his father's nightime soap Falcon Crest.

I wouldn't expect a newcomer to the show like Francis to realize this, but Y&R has become a hot, steaming pile of poop — one that can't even afford to play it's leading lady, but somehow finds coins under the couch to hire 17 new actors a month. This show doesn't compare to Agnes Nixon's AMC or even an episode of Hanna-Barbera's Yogi The Bear right now and if Sony and CBS don't step in soon, we'll be wondering who will take Y&R to the web sooner rather than later.

65 Responses

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    snizzle

    I barely recognize YR these days. All of my favorite characters are gone (Brad, Dru, Nikki), backburned, or totally unrecognizable. It’s very sad…

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    SoapSnob

    Great post, Jamey. Unfortunately, all the current issue with The Young & the Restless stem from the writers’ room. It appears they come up with ideas – not stories; and not very good ideas – and then run with these ideas without having a clue as to what will happen next. Also, I do not think the writers know, or care, who their characters are. With 20+ years of history for the large majority of the characters on Y&R, the stories should be writing themselves.

    I am not advocating for, nor wishing, unemployment on anyone, BUT Hogan Sheffer and Scott Hamner should be relieved of their Co-Headwriting duties and Maria Arena Bell should concentrate primarily on Executive Producing. Or public relations.

    Kay Alden and/or John F. Smith should be heading that writers’ room. With Natalie Minardi Slater and/or an Associate Headwriter from One Life to Live. Not Jean Passanante.

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    Ryan-Scott

    I agree.
    With all of it and it makes me sad.

    The show needs a behind the scenes shake-up. Kay Alden! Jack Smith!

    I also watched when Genie was playing Ceara Connor and I don’t agree with that writing comparison either. Nope.

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    Daytime_tvfan

    Finally someone says what I an thinking. Jamey I could not agree more with your assessment! This show is becoming a joke.. There is no love or glamor, just a bunch of murder and mayhem and ripped off ideas! I swear to Gawd MAB is driving this show into the ground! I tune in out of loyalty but even that is getting harder. I am glad you are asking these questions now, instead of waiting until it gets canceled. And people wonder why fans are fanatic over couple ships… For most the part its lack of interesting stories!

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    EdithAnn

    It is pretty bad right now. Does anyone at Sony or CBS care? As long as they stay number one overall does it matter to them that all of their stories suck and they have an inflated cast? I think MTS may have gotoff easy being off the show completely right now. She could be in Sharon Cases’s situation sitting in story limbo for months first with a kid, a farmer, and a lamb and now with Sam and a deck of playing cards.

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    An_Emmy_For_Julia_Pace_Mitchell

    Maria Arena Bell is slowly bringing the show back to its former glory circa the William Bell early-1990’s years. I have faith in her and her love of the genre and the craft of storytelling.

    Dead weight, however: Michael Muhney and Michael Graziadei. Bad move: Making us think 38-year-old Maura West could play a character in her late 50’s … and then us seeing she COULD … and then axing the actress and character and penning a storyline from the firing of said actress. THAT is not good storytelling nor is it organic.

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    harlee490

    Thanks Jamey for saying right now Y&R is a big pile of “POOP”! I turned it off completely last week because I can’t stomach how MAB been destroying long standing characters, such Kay, Victor, Nick, Ashley, Jill, Phyllis, & Neil. Katherine being a busy body and destroying long friendships because she has agenda. Mrs. C’s character isn’t one that go after friends regardless. Katherine in the late ’70s (even being drunk as stunk)when Brock and Jill was dating would constantly (of course) fill Brock’s ear about Jill but she never tried to “rule” Brock’s life as would said Angela Channing. Jill is not the character what Bill created and doesn’t even resemble the character. Making Jill drooling over this no count man, making Jill weak and a loud mouth. Men would fall into Jill’s web because she would have a scheme not the other way around. Poor Jess. Nick is Victor lite, which Nick was always more like Nikki because he never wanted to be like his father. Phyllis has gotten totally overused in every plot and sick & tired of her and the actress herself Michelle Stafford, I’m starting to hate this character. Victor has been written as an all out criminal now & never pays for his crimes. Ashley as mega business woman just doesn’t ring true. Ashley tried to run Jabot many, many years ago but she didn’t like just being CEO. Her heart as Bill wrote was a ultra-smart chemist and Ashley was Jabot’s biggest asset for their products. Why not show that side of Ashley again with this recent launch why not show Ashley developing the new Jabot product? Neil hasn’t had a juicy story since LML, (now that is sad) he’s just supporting for Lily (can’t stand that s/l) and being rehash of Malcolm & Sophia…aka Dru’s pregnancy. He not had a strong love interest in years it’s a shame.

    Jamey, could you please make available the addresses of Sony, CBS, and Bell Dramatic Serials so at I can use “snail mail” and I want to complain. This is my only connection to CBS now and just tired of what LSD drug MAB is using but she is delusional if she thinks that is character driven stories..it’s pure plot. I just hope Ken Corday truly does what he is speaking about on Days because I going to check in September.

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    Smitty

    I’m doing what Jillian Bowe would be doing right now… *shaking my tambourine*!!!!!!!!!!!

    I haven’t watched in three weeks and I hate to hear that it continues to get worse. It’s such a shame that a show that used to set the standard is a big joke now. I have vowed to not watch again until MTS is back onscreen.

    Oh and Jamey you forgot one other thing…where are the black folks? Malcom/Sofia/Neil are supposed to be in this big pregnancy mystery story but we never seen them but twice a month! HOT ASS MESS!!!

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    jphelps

    Y&R is not any worse than Bob Guza’s GH which was praised here to kingdom come. The entire Liz/Jason story and turning Lucky into a 5 classed loser Sam the vengeful baby terrorizer was some of the ugliest plot driven crap around but because the pairing was loved here, and some early elements of this quad were soapy, every part of that nonsense of Liz always wanting Jason was embraced even though we long time viewers watched Lucky be the one who was Liz’s soulmate for years. Of course thats all been fixed at the snap of a finger abother example of great writing. Off topic I know

    Y&R is a mess no question. BUt Y&R too has been a plot driven mess for ages also. Need we forget killing off Brad, Colleen, and now Diane, 3 long standing characters for what exactly? It was more plot point writing. But then Villy is magical and Billy Miller is the greatest and MM is fantastic and Shadam are hot so none of it matters? Forget SHaron was turned into even a dumber ho for Adam but thats all forgotten because Sharon and Adam are hot. Talk about character destruction, Sharon Newman case number 1. I don’t even mind the boring Sam because at least Sharon is showing some semblence of facing the reality of the fact her life is a mess mostly caused most recently by Adam.

    I applaude Jamie for taking this show to task. Every bit outlined here was spot on. And I commend DC a lot even though it doesn’t seem that way because while I don’t agree with a lot of the love of certain things here, this site had the guts to call these shows on a lot of things. But I think we all know none of these show got to where they were overnight. ANd I do want to know where Sony is. All they seem to care about are landing name actors and not about the overall health of their soaps. Look how long they let Higley run amuk at Days.

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    marknsprmo

    I think that the entire writing team of Y&R suffers from attention deficit disorder. They can not concentrate on a story and lead it into a conclusion that opens up another story etc. They come up with these stories play them out in a week and then go to something else. It is little wonder the characters suffer. The writers can’t even decide what the stories will be. Sometimes they have to abbandon stories just to push through something else. Like the Nekkid Heiress was gonna be a spokesperson for Newman for several days. But then well that gets pushed aside because something better (better?) came along! Diane Jenkens murder!
    You can not murder someone on a tv show that EVERYONE on the show hates, the audience hates and expect anyone to care that she is dead or who did it. It is rediculous that the only person who really cares that she is dead is the cop that is handling the crime. It also isn’t making Ronan any points with the characters or with the audience. There has to be an element of someone caring in order to make this kind of story work. Had they brought her ex husband Andy back to find out who did it and he gets Paul to help him investigate. Then Andy meets Paul’s girl, Nina and falls in love with her and after the case is solved, Andy sticks around and we have a triangle because Nina likes both Paul and Andy.
    Now that is a way to write a story someone could care about.

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    Carol2

    Not to mind read Genie Francis, but I think she’s just happy to not play Laura. She’s said before that she was most proud of her work as Ceara. I don’t know how many other people felt the same way.

    The Diane story is style over substance. We’re not supposed to care about who killed her or why. We’re supposed to gawk at her corpse and enjoy another round of snarking, sneering, pouting, and overheated one-liners.

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    RebeccaJ

    I’ve noticed that actors always say the writing is “great” when they had/have a big storyline coming up. Ask them six months from now when they’ve languished off screen and been reduced to a scene here or there.

    I don’t know how anyone else could think this writing is good. They’ve made the range of suspects so wide that NOBODY CARES whodunit. I just want it to be over. And what’s with them stealing the Desperate Housewives voiceover all of a sudden?

    BTW, Marknspmo, I agree 100%. Part of what is ruining this show is the fact that storylines are never completed OR they’re completed months afterwards when again NOBODY CARES. I’m still waiting for someone to tell us how/when Nick got his memory back?!

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    harlee490

    @Mark I absolutely love reading your posts. My wishful thinking for s/l would be use the history but maybe bring on Chuck(ie) Foster and have him involved w/Nina, they are close in age and recharge the Jill/Nina rivalry being another family connection to Jill…Jill being Jill hated Phillip being involved w\Nina years ago. Katherine could be involved trying to keep peace and infuse Jill/Kay on opposite sides again. For Paul, I would love to see the heat again between Lauren/Paul/Michael. What if Scott ended up Paul’s son. Paul/Lauren always at different times ended up in bed together and with Cricket nowhere around today. That would throw Lauren/Paul in each direction again and you have a true rooting triangle. Some for Michael/Lauren, some for Paul/Lauren…that’s what a good WELL WRITTEN triangles do for fans. I like Andy’s character (Andy\Farren, remember) but IMO there isn’t no family connection besides Paul. Unless like you said have Andy come home to help Paul in the investigation and he gets involved with Gloria…she’s a cougar. ;) Just IMHO.

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    Restless Fan

    Thank you Jamey for echoing exactly how I feel about Y&R these days. MAB’s Y&R bears no resemblance to the late Bill Bells. She/Sheffer/Hamner are being allowed by CBS and Sony to ruin this show. I don’t think there will be any quick fix since the show killer herself is married to a Bell. What irritates me is where the hell is Lee Bell in all of this? Or Bill’s Children? Do they remember nothing about Bill’s basic principals for writing a soap? You would think with soaps on life support MAB would realize her show sucks and wish for it a better writer but I gather she is much too arrogant for that. This will play out like scenarios we’ve seen in the last few months. In a few years when the show is hitting the low 2’s they will be talking of taking it back to it’s glory years and bringing back vets they are ignoring (MTS anyone) just like Days is doing! Just like GH is doing! Just like AMC is doing! All a little too late for this dinner party…

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    Duchess

    Y&R last week veered between unwatchable and boring me to tears. It was all plot, plot, plot with yet another stupid murder and most scenes taking place at the jail. The only thing that kept me interested were the bits about Billy and Victoria dealing with the aftermath of him leaving since they were real emotions and character driven. Right now I’m just waiting for some Villy when Billy returns and hopefully MTS’s Nikki will not be far behind him!

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    Chocolate-Mama

    The problem with this newest murder mystery, is that Y&R, to me, does not pen mysteries very well at all.

    I thought Carmen Mesta’s murder and reveal were a total joke. Mr. Kim’s murder was nonsense and I don’t even remember who supposedly killed him. Jamey said something that had been bothering me about Diane’s murder. This character has been around since the 80’s, played by Alex Donnelly and Susan Walters. And while she had been causing trouble for years, I remember her friendship with a woman Paul loved named Cindy, who was murdered. Diane did love Andy at one point. And with Maura West’s portrayal, one could see she was devoted to Kyle. I never actually saw her as a real villainess, unlike let’s say that God awful Phyllis.

    So Jamey’s point about why someone would just be killing Diana NOW, is what gripes me about the whole thing. Worse yet, we know good and well the killer will be someone introduced into the story out of nowwhere, or a character that they can afford to lose. I STILL remember that strange murder mystery from the 80’s that Paul Williams was involved in. The murderer was revealed to be some guy we’d never seen before, though the actor(I forget his name) went on to play Mallet on GL. I just don’t see why it was necessary to kill this character off, when she could’ve been just as easily sent out of town–yet again.

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    harlee490

    @Chocolate-Mama.. I STILL remember that strange murder mystery from the 80’s that Paul Williams was involved in. The murderer was revealed to be some guy we’d never seen before, though the actor(I forget his name) went on to play Mallet on GL. I just don’t see why it was necessary to kill this character off, when she could’ve been just as easily sent out of town–yet again

    You’re so right…the man (don’t know his name) was involved w/Cassandra, which Paul was seeing at the time.

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    SwanQueen59

    marknsprmo-another thoughtful post(along with many others on this thread! :) ) and with a nice triangle falling out of the current “mess”. Another poster mentioned the still not solved mystery that is Skye’s death-what about the Richard Hightower murder that was left with threads blowing in the breeze? But then again, I’m still waiting for Phyllis to get her comeuppance for mowing down Cricket and Paul way back when… 0:)

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    SoapArmageddon

    I don’t know how the writing goes into execution on Y&R, but I’m assuming that usually Maria gets the ideas and Hogan Sheffer makes them happen.

    I do think Maria is trying new things to keep her show fresh. The problem is that what she thinks of as new and fresh sometimes comes off as disjointed and silly to viewers.

    I don’t believe Hogan Sheffer has done anything new or fresh since he had gastric bypass surgery.

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    GAgal28

    Oh lawd….. THANK YOU Jamey for saying exactly what needs to be said about Y&R. I can NOT deal with this show. It is a hot mess of schizophrenia. It’s like one minute the stories are good & then the next it’s gone to the crapper. I mean what the heck? A Diane murder mystery…. this is like umpteenth thousand murder on this show for the year, or past year. And like you said Sharon’s “murder” story isn’t even wrapped up yet. And that story KILLS me! Pushing a woman in a volcano & then going to hide out on Rebbeca Of Sonybrook’s Farm is just…. STUPID! The writing is stupid & they miss important beats of the stories that should be played to give me an emotional connection. It drives me nuts, which is why I don’t even bother FFing anymore. I just hit delete. Sad but true. This show to me has become like GH during Guza. There are so many similarities & nothing will change until something is done about MAB & the writing room. I’m seriously surprised that Y&R’s ratings haven’t been affected, but then it comes on during lunch. So, it’s just convenient to watch it cause lord knows no one could possibly be watching for good soap & stories. If you want good soap watch OLTL! Anyways….

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    alstonboy4315

    Jamey,

    Once again, you have expressed my thoughts masterfully in a far more witty and entertaining fashion than I could ever muster up. I swear you are psychic!!

    Lots of people like to place the blame with Hogan Sheffer and Scott Hamner, reminding us that Hogan did similar stories on ATWT. But that doesn’t fly with me. Maria is the head BITCH in charge, so she has the power to veto their crappy story ideas and tell them to go back to the drawing board, doesn’t she? But she doesn’t. She merely co-signs with them and pushes them out the door, as if she’s working on some assembly line and doesn’t have time to quality control her stories or make sure that she pays proper attention to the history of these characters. And don’t even get me started on the lack of continuity!!! We could be here ALL day! :Sp

    As I have said before, I will NEVER believe that Jack, Nick, Nikki, Abby, Ashley or even Phyllis would be capable of bludgeoning someone to death unless it’s a matter of self-defense or their kids were being threatened. And even then, 10 times is a stretch. It’s clear that none of the major characters killed Diane. I have known these people for decades. Maria Bell thinks she can “tell me” who they are? No, honey. You can’t. Bill Bell Sr. already did that.

    And next to Drucilla, Katherine Chancellor is my favorite Y&R character of all time, and seeing her get turned into a harpy, seemingly demented old shrew hurts my heart. I really wish Jeanne Cooper would step up and say something. Unlike Victoria Rowell, she might actually be able to get the bigwigs over there to make a positive change.

    I am tired of Colin and Genevieve. I am enjoying Genie and Tristian’s PERFORMANCES, but these characters irk me. And I REFUSE to accept them as the new “family” of Genoa City. Not interested. As I have said before, Cane is a pointless character who doesn’t need a family. Kill him off AGAIN. This time, leave him dead. Ship Robert Scorpio and Laura Spencer back to GH. With the new regime at GH, they might actually get BETTER story than they are getting at Y&R.

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    matealestlmo

    [quote=An_Emmy_For_Julia_Pace_Mitchell]Maria Arena Bell is slowly bringing the show back to its former glory circa the William Bell early-1990’s years. I have faith in her and her love of the genre and the craft of storytelling. Dead weight, however: Michael Muhney and Michael Graziadei. Bad move: Making us think 38-year-old Maura West could play a character in her late 50’s … and then us seeing she COULD … and then axing the actress and character and penning a storyline from the firing of said actress. THAT is not good storytelling nor is it organic.[/quote]

    Oh good grief! An Emmy is back to haunt us all! Geez, I was hoping she fell by the wayside like a certain former DC poster did and decided it wasn’t worth it to stick around here, especially when you’re obviously not well liked by ANYONE who posts on these boards.

    Having said that, Y&R is nowhere near it’s glory years circa William Bell at all! As a matter of fact, it’s starting to look like Guiding Light and As The World Turns just before those two shows got axed by Proctor & Gamble in 2009 and 2010. And they are heading down that drain faster than you can say Draino!

    I will agree you on two things An Emmy, that one, Michael Graz is dead weight. He hasn’t had much of a storyline since well, when Daisy raped him and got preggers with his daughter, whom he wants nothing to do with. AND I also agree that Y&R made the stupidest move making us thinking that an actress, the superbly sublime Maura West (who is younger than me BTW) could play an character who is in her late 50’s, early 60’s. REDONK!

    As for Michael Muhney, that man is NOT dead weight at all. He’s part of an integral core family on Y&R and he won’t be going anywhere anytime soon (he just recently re-signed with the show).

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    pumpkin

    Y&R better shape up. I think oltl writers/producers have got it correct but how can they go to every show. I think they have the reins now when they should have had them long ago. Kudos.

    No so for Y&R. NBC execs expect to get amc viewers come September. I think not. Two years ago they were on the mark with actors/characters and writing. Not so much now. I am in DH’s age bracket but I am not waiting around to see her. Yuck.

    Y&R has the luxury of being #1 with viewers, etc. The writing/stories are just plain dumb. Can’t believe they cannot snag a better Victoria than the current one. Plum role on #1 soap. Yikes. Jeff Branson played great brooding character on gl and was half of super coupling with Dinah(tg) but on this show yucko. I kind of like his CURRENT cop writing but he needs a lady love that is NOT on canvas. Heather/Cloe terrible. I know I am looking at the show with newer eyes. But I am only watching oltl five years and it rocks. I think it is time also for Abby to grow some. Marcy Rylan is older now let Abby grow. Of course, I watched her as Lizzie Spaulding and she needs growth. Why do writers and/or tptb have so little insight. I would rather watch MR a little bit more gown up than the brooding Victoria. Too bad Tom Pelphrey wouldn’t do SHORT RUN as love for her from the past. You know in and out type thing. TP is great in small doses. Fans know more what fans want than tptb. Y&R better shape up or they will fall off throne.

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    Restless Vixen

    I love you for this article, Jamey! I’m glad to see I’m not the only one like “WTF?” as far as Y&R is concerned. This Diane murder mystery just has me dumbfounded. All these suspects (none of whom I believe will be the “killer” as they could always do some “fooled ya” mess with Diane not being dead but some homeless person or some other doppelganger being the victim and another homeless person being the killer) and all this red herring evidence is just become a huge cluster-F. I applaud the efforts of the entire cast for trying to make this mess pop, and the cinematography has been top notch, but I am really not getting where any of this is going and what is motivating any of these characters, many of whom I have known and loved since I was tween. These recent stories are just not going anywhere and I have grown super tired of people being framed, people being accused of murder and people being wrongfully convicted. Also sick of everyone being at odds, angry, or otherwise in turmoil What’s the worse thing is that the shit is just boring. Aimless, pointless, rootless, hot mess!

    This show needs a serious departure from CSI Genoa City and Law and Order: GCPD and needs to return to some sentimental, romantic, and/or good old fun storytelling. They can start off by giving Sharon free. That would make this Sharon fan super happy. Not the sole solution, but a good start.

    [quote]Maria Arena Bell is slowly bringing the show back to its former glory circa the William Bell early-1990’s years. I have faith in her and her love of the genre and the craft of storytelling.[/quote]
    With all due respect An_Emmy_for JPM, MAB has had the helm of this show since early 2008 (not counting the fi-core writing before she officially took over from LML). How much time is she supposed to get because she has been “slowly” bringing the show back for a few years now to no avail. I’ve seen glaciers that move faster. She has had ample time, over 3 years, to return this show to its former glory, and she’s making it just as plot driven, maybe even more than, LML. Almost every character on this show is hard to defend or support because so many of them do things now that don’t compute just to fit some foolish plot point. *smdh*

    [quote]The Diane story is style over substance. We’re not supposed to care about who killed her or why. We’re supposed to gawk at her corpse and enjoy another round of snarking, sneering, pouting, and overheated one-liners.[/quote]
    Exactly carol2! Making everyday a Friday cliffhanger is to the detriment of good storytelling that has a beginning, middle, climax and conclusion. This regime focuses way too much on the climactic reveals with little to no development of the other necessary components.

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    annyhall

    [quote] Off topic I know Y&R is a mess no question. BUt Y&R too has been a plot driven mess for ages also. Need we forget killing off Brad, Colleen, and now Diane, 3 long standing characters for what exactly? It was more plot point writing. But then Villy is magical and Billy Miller is the greatest and MM is fantastic and Shadam are hot so none of it matters? Forget SHaron was turned into even a dumber ho for Adam but thats all forgotten because Sharon and Adam are hot. Talk about character destruction, Sharon Newman case number 1. I don’t even mind the boring Sam because at least Sharon is showing some semblence of facing the reality of the fact her life is a mess mostly caused most recently by Adam.

    I applaude Jamie for taking this show to task. Every bit outlined here was spot on. And I commend DC a lot even though it doesn’t seem that way because while I don’t agree with a lot of the love of certain things here, this site had the guts to call these shows on a lot of things. But I think we all know none of these show got to where they were overnight. ANd I do want to know where Sony is. All they seem to care about are landing name actors and not about the overall health of their soaps. Look how long they let Higley run amuk at Days.[/quote]

    You have said it all for me. I will say this thank Gawd one of the bloggers has come out and finally said this. There have been some of us who are just everyday posters who have been saying this for years. Writing into CBS and Sony begging them to listen to us about getting rid of MAB. When some posters started saying this it may have been a Hot Pile of poop but now it is out of control and has turned into Hot running Pile of diarrhea.

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    RebeccaJ

    matealestlmo:

    “As for Michael Muhney, that man is NOT dead weight at all. He’s part of an integral core family on Y&R and he won’t be going anywhere anytime soon (he just recently re-signed with the show).”

    He is going to quickly BE deadweight if they don’t start utilizing his talents. Right now he’s just scrambling all over the place trying to nail down an alibi, like the rest of the entire town! I wanted to see him do more with the Newman board seat. For Victor to be able to bounce him off just as quickly as he got on, was ridiculous. They lost a lot of story potential with that grandstanding move. As they so often do!

    Sorry! Still haven’t figured out that stupid “quote” feature!

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    Ryan-Scott

    [quote=matealestlmo][quote=An_Emmy_For_Julia_Pace_Mitchell]Maria Arena Bell is slowly bringing the show back to its former glory circa the William Bell early-1990’s years. I have faith in her and her love of the genre and the craft of storytelling. Dead weight, however: Michael Muhney and Michael Graziadei. Bad move: Making us think 38-year-old Maura West could play a character in her late 50’s … and then us seeing she COULD … and then axing the actress and character and penning a storyline from the firing of said actress. THAT is not good storytelling nor is it organic.[/quote]

    Oh good grief! An Emmy is back to haunt us all! Geez, I was hoping she fell by the wayside like a certain former DC poster did and decided it wasn’t worth it to stick around here, especially when you’re obviously not well liked by ANYONE who posts on these boards.

    Having said that, Y&R is nowhere near it’s glory years circa William Bell at all! As a matter of fact, it’s starting to look like Guiding Light and As The World Turns just before those two shows got axed by Proctor & Gamble in 2009 and 2010. And they are heading down that drain faster than you can say Draino!

    I will agree you on two things An Emmy, that one, Michael Graz is dead weight. He hasn’t had much of a storyline since well, when Daisy raped him and got preggers with his daughter, whom he wants nothing to do with. AND I also agree that Y&R made the stupidest move making us thinking that an actress, the superbly sublime Maura West (who is younger than me BTW) could play an character who is in her late 50’s, early 60’s. REDONK!

    As for Michael Muhney, that man is NOT dead weight at all. He’s part of an integral core family on Y&R and he won’t be going anywhere anytime soon (he just recently re-signed with the show).[/quote]

    Ryan-Scott says:
    I thought I had noticed a certain poster not on this board anymore. It’s Christmas in August.
    Me and that one really got into it on a Days thread.
    Everything we wrote was erased by the next day. Nasty and delicious.

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    Okay, now that I’ve gotten my frustration with An Emmy off of my chest (who someone I know thinks could be a Sony Pictures plant and is actually a professional troll and NO, I’m not naming this person either), I’m going to go on my rant about Y&R.

    Jamey, Jamey, Jamey! Thank you for saying what you said. If it hadn’t been for you, my rose colored glasses would still be on my face!

    Here’s what I would do if I were writing this show:

    1–Wrap up the Sharon mess and FAST. Once that’s done, I’d send Sharon along with Faith on a long overdue extended vacay. Sharon Case has got to be burnt out and probably needs a long break. At that point, it comes out that Adam got rid of evidence that Sharon was innocent all along and gets a slap on the wrist (I ain’t giving up my Michael Muhney, sorry).

    2–We all know that none of the core characters killed Diane (sure, they all had motive, but MAB would never send one of those characters out of GC for good). So, I would bring Staci Haiduk back as PattyCakes and Patty admits she came back because she wanted to get rid of Diane before Diane ruined Jack once again and she ends up being Diane’s killer (and no, Adam did NOT hire her to do it).

    3–There needs to be a huge house cleaning as far as the cast goes. Here goes:

    Cane, Colin, and Genevieve need to go bye-bye for good and to never return again.

    Sofia and Malcolm need to make a hasty retreat from GC and move overseas regardless of who the baby’s daddy is.

    Eden and this new and useless Hunter gal need to be never seen again.

    Jeffrey might as well just stay out of GC for good. He’s pretty useless now. Along with this same vein, Y&R needs to wrap up this “cooking the books” storyline (if you want to call it that) and end that drivel for good.

    Deacon needs to leave GC because he’s pissed a lot of people off and he may just end up in Murphy’s fish pond or perhaps, he could commit suicide over the guilt of what he did to Nikki.

    Christel Khalil-Hensley needs to be given the pink slip and another actress hired to replace her who acts much, much, much, much (did I say much?) better than she ever will.

    I would fire Amelia Heinle in a heartbeat and hire a better actress than her to play Victoria.

    Once all of that is done, here’s a storyline that I would create that would usher two more characters out of town:

    We all know that Ricky is coming back to GC. However, Ricky wants to pay Mom a visit wherever she is (and bring Eva Longoria back for a cameo appearance). Isabella gives Ricky a thick envelope and tells Ricky to give it to his Dad, Paul. Once Paul sees what’s inside, he finally learns that it was Phyllis who brought Isabella to town to get rid of Christine, only she wasn’t successful. Also in that envelope are details that no one else knows about and that would be that Phyllis admitted to Isabella that Phyllis was the one that tried to run Christine and Paul down all of those years ago and if that’s not enough, Dr. Tim Reid knew about it all along. So, the GCPD gets Dr. Reid back to GC and offers him a deal for immunity to testify against Phyllis about her attempt to kill Christine and Paul. Paul at that point, also calls Christine back to GC to help close out this storyline that was left hanging in the air all of those years ago. Once he does that during the trial, Phyllis is found guilty of 3 counts of attempted murder and is sentenced to a lengthy bid of 25 years in prison. Thus, we then get rid of Michelle Stafford for good. We also end up getting rid of Daniel as well. When Daniel finds out what his Mother did, Daniel calls his “adopted” Papa, Danny and Danny returns to usher Daniel (and Michael Graz) off of the show as Daniel will be going on tour with Danny and helping him out.

    Also, Lee Phillip Bell would wrestle control of Y&R out of Sony Pictures’ hands and takes over full ownership of Y&R once again and takes over control of the show by firing her daughter-in-law and cleans out most of the writers. She then hires Ed Scott back to Y&R to EP the show. She also bring Kay Alden and Jack Smith back as head writers who would completely revamp the show and right a lot of wrongs that were made by LML and MAB and then write Y&R the way that Bill Bell Sr. would have written the show if he were still alive (God rest his soul).

    I know you’re all going to kill me for saying this, but I would write that Kay really isn’t Kay at all. It’s Marge all along and that Marge has Kay locked up in the cooler at that diner. Once Murphy realizes that it’s Marge, he goes about finding Kay and eventually does and brings her back to GC. Marge then dies of a coronary after realizing that Murphy found her out. (This would be the way to end the character assassination of Katherine and to right a wrong that occurred when Kay/Marge were found in that creek). We all know damn full well that Katherine would NEVER do the shiz that MAB is writing for Katherine these days.

    We also know that Tucker has a son out there, so MAB is not going to make Tucker the killer. Tucker finally remembers who it was that he knocked up that created his son. kerplunk, it’s none other than………….NICK! It finally comes out that Nikki had an affair with Tucker off screen way back before Nick was born and passed the kid off as Victor’s. This is what brings Nikki back from rehab!

    Then I would go from there and write CHARACTER DRIVEN storylines, not PLOT driven storylines, which is the drivel that MAB has been writing the last 3 and a half years. I would also then do a complete makeover of the opening theme (one that MAB promised back in 2008 but hasn’t done one damn thing about it).

    I would also do a DOOL-like relaunch of the show to bring Y&R back to its former glory and back to the way that Bill Bell wrote this show.

    Okay, that’s my more than 2 cents worth of comments about this show. Whaddya all think?

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    SoapArmageddon

    matealestlmo, I always enjoy reading other fans’s show ideas. I agree with most of yours for Y&R.

    But I wouldn’t want them to re-visit the Marge/Kay storyline. That’s a liitle too reminiscent of recent history with Cane. And that type of storyline should remain forever buried. All they need to do is to say that Kay has been acting like a harpy because she had an undetected mini-stroke. The character has a history of this and it’s something that happens in real life.

    Also, I don’t think the character of Tucker belongs on this show, so I don’t want to see anything that ties him further to the canvas.

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    BFluellen1

    I love Genie to death but Y&R under MAB’s helm is nowhere near Agnes’ AMC or Bill Bell’s Y&R. This show has become atrocious with its constant plot points and unnecessary character killings. Old favorites have been either killed off or even worse destroyed with the writing, doing things they’d never do. She’s murdered half the Abbotts, diminished the Winters into being nothing more than talk-to’s (except for Lily, who is portrayed as a tragic mulatto), made Adam into a mustache-twirling villain, taken story away from corporate intrigue and deep psychological drama, which Bell heavily focused on. This show is a train wreck. Its become a poor man’s version of Edge of Night (with bad writing) with its constant murder mysteries. Hell we haven’t even wrapped up the murder mystery with Skye and just nearly got over the crap with Hightower and now Diane Jenkins is dead, which is another tragedy b/c this character still has so much potential and damage that could’ve shaken up the canvas. I pray every day that MAB either shapes up or leaves taking Hogan and Josh with her.

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    soapjunkie88

    Thank you Jamey. Such a great comment on what a big mess this show is right now.

    Sharon is COMPLETELY ruined, Phyllis is getting on my nerves, Mrs. C isn’t herself these days and don’t even let me start about my Billy Abbott.

    Wow, we all thought that LML was the worst that happened to this show.

    What is happening right now to this show is just shameful. MAB comes in and believes that writes as her late father-in-law would wish. But look at the actual characters!!! First MAB isn’t right for them. She and her team are writing after plot. Second MAB hasn’t been true to her characters and third, she brings in a bunch of newbies with well-known actors that just NOBODY cares about.

    I DON’T need Sam. I DON’T want Gen. I DON’T love to hate Colin.

    I don’t even want to know what they will do to Debbie Morgan.

    This show has become unwatchable!!!

    And as for Genie Francis … girl we all get that you LOVE to play a cartoonish villain after you were “tormented” to play this heroine Laura Spencer for three decades. But open your eyes: THIS IS CRAP!!!! And we neither enjoy or want to see it!

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    tedew

    I could write volumes here agreeing and disagreeing with all of the above comments, but I’d just be echoing.

    But to those who seem to think that Y&R at this juncture is pure daytime perfection in heaven … just which dimension are you guys in?

    alstonboy … I understand your ferocious dedication to Jeanne Cooper and your frustration with the current state of Katherine Chancellor. I wish she would snap her fingers and demand a more appropriate version of herself. I don’t mind her being a tough businesswoman but much of what she is doing now is distasteful, selfish and probably not even legal. I actually liked her more last week wasting a nurturing side on that annoying and confused shrew named Chloe. I’d like to see her bow gracefully into the background a bit as more of a beneficial matriarchal version of herself.

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    soapfan616

    Perhaps Ms. Francis (who I confess to adoring) is just a little too impressed with Y&R because of the crap she was given to work with during her recent stints on GH. Anything has to be better than that! Now if she had said, Y&R was better than GH under Claire Labine…now that would have shocked me. Oh how I miss Laura written as the wise earth mother, a woman who learned from her younger years and is trying to make something of herself.

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    elsarilla

    correct me if i’m wrong, i must have missed something, but wasn’t diane’s
    murder supposed to be a “fake death” to set up victor? and they have her body? please tell me what i don’t know… :~

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    DanMan869

    [quote=elsarilla]correct me if i’m wrong, i must have missed something, but wasn’t diane’s
    murder supposed to be a “fake death” to set up victor? and they have her body? please tell me what i don’t know… :~[/quote]

    Diane had plotted with Adam that the two of them would fake her death and frame Victor for the crime. After Diane gave information to the cops about one of Adam’s dastardly deeds, that plan seemed to be on hold as Adam was furious with Diane. Then, before you could say “what tha eff?” Diane was face down in the plastic pool in the park, dead as “As The World Turns,” and found by avid fisherman Murphy (in the park planning to fish in a teeny-tiny stream), and thus why the GCPD have her body.

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    miztee246

    I think Meggie is the killer — somehow she got out of prison and Deacon is just too involved in all the subterfuge — but I do like the idea of Deacon giving Phyllis hell.

    @matealestlmo, I love your post #35. I agree with you, An Emmy for JPM is some troll or plant to write the sort of foolishness s/he has posted.

    Love all your suggestions, too, with the exception of Katherine Chancellor. On that one, I have to go with SoapArmageddon’s mini-stroke suggestion because it injects some reality into soapdom.

    One last question for TPTB — Maura West/Diane wore a butt ugly, mismatched outfit a week or two before she was killed. You then put her in a gorgeous dress for her final scenes. She was wearing the hell out of that green & white dress too! Was she being punished?

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    @miztee246:

    I too am liking SoapArmageddon’s mini-stroke suggestion a lot more than rehashing the whole idea of a Marge/Kay switch. We’ve had too much of that on the show to last us a lifetime. So, that would be the only change I’d make to my whole “making changes at Y&R plan”.

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    ChrisGa

    [quote=richalan67]The show has been of fire. Last week was a “Can’t wait until tomorrow” each and every day. You all must be watching a different show![/quote]

    Yeah, I wouldn’t say it’s completely on fire, but I’ve actually been enjoying it for the last couple of weeks. The Who Killed Diane bit is cliched as hell and we all know it’s gonna be a random character that’s been unseen for months or years(Hi Patty!)that did it but I still find that storyline more watchable that the Double Doppelganger mess from last year.

    A couple of things I’m totally not loving, or rather characters. First, tired ass Katherine Chancellor, whose character continues to disintegrate before our very eyes into a heartless, uncaring harpy of a shrew. I agree she needs to fade into the background and assume a more matriarchial role on the show. Right now, she’s just a straight up bitch. Speaking of bitches, the other character that needs to go is Chloe. Again, she’s always been a hard pill to swallow on some level, but now she’s even more vindictive and self-absorbed than ever. I think they’ve been grooming her for a while to be a mini-Phyllis; congrats, you’re not far off now.

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    alstonboy4315

    Matealestimo–

    I TOTALLY agree with you on points 1-4. Sharon has practically been RUINED as a character, almost beyond redeemability. I can barely even stand to look at her sometimes. Three or four months of offscreen time would be perfect. And get rid of Sam. Sean Flanery seems confused onscreen and it’s clear he’s not cut out for soaps. I remember one scene when he was supposed to slam Adam against a wall and it was such a weak execution that even Michael Muhney looked like he was going: “What the hell? Is that all you’ve got, man?” And this little girl, Piper, also needs to go. She will NEVER be a Cassie replacement. You and I both follow Camryn Grimes on Twitter. She’s expressed her willingness to return, so why not bring Cassie back from the dead, since this show has brought damn near everyone else back from the dead? I would be willing to overlook the ridiculousness of it as I have a million times before.

    Also agree about firing Christel Khalil and Amelia Heinous. I have beaten the same drum a million times, so nobody knows the tune better than I do. They are both terrible. I’d rather watch mold forming in my bathtub. Neither has any real range and they both bore the hell out of me. And Eden and the newbies coming on? Already don’t care. Teen stories bore me. They bored me when I was a teenager back in the 90s and they DEFINITELY bore me now. The problem is that these soap writers are out of touch with what it really means to be a teenager, leaving them to write stiff, unrealistic characters who spout stiff, unrealistic dialogue. Rarely is it intriguing or even worth the energy or time to get emotionally invested in it.

    I don’t think Eva Longoria would ever return to Y&R, but they could easily recast. I am not sure who could play Isabella, but they could do an open casting call………….and never mind. The casting director at Y&R sucks. She’d probably hire Demi Lovato to play the role. I don’t think they should even bother bringing back Isabella. It would be another MAURA WEST type of situation.

    I don’t think I agree with Tucker being Nick’s father. That would be jumping the shark TOO much and ruining more of Bill Bell Sr.’s history. I like the idea of Devon being Tucker’s son. I just hope the rumors about Sofia being Devon’s REAL mother are false. I don’t think I can stand that Julie Pace Mitchell playing the MOTHER to a grown man, considering the fact that the poor baby STILL doesn’t know where the hell she’s at 99% of the time.

    Love the idea of Kay really being Marge. It would be a quick and easy way to explain away the complete and utter character assassination of my beloved “Duchess.” Maria needs to be ashamed of her damn self. No writing heifer.

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    alstonboy4315

    And I want that redheaded trick, SyPhyllis, to pay for her past crimes too. I admit that I have never liked Cricket, but I certainly never wanted to see her get run down, and I certainly don’t like how they let SyPhyllis get away with it. I would have rather seen her get caught and use her feminine wiles to get the judge to lessen her sentence to probation or something. But that was before they turned her into a TOTALLY unlikable bitch, I say lock her ass up and throw away the key.

    And the only COUP I want to see is the coup of Lee Phillip Bell snatching Maria Bell’s ass out of the writing chair and replacing her with someone who knows what the hell they are doing.

    I like Deacon and feel he could have chemistry with a sponge, like Billy Miller. Sean Kanan is about 20 shades of sexy and I think he’s an asset to the show. I would keep him around and put him in a recurring relationship with someone, kinda like Nina and Paul.

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    pennywise555

    [quote=harlee490] My wishful thinking for s/l would be use the history but maybe bring on Chuck(ie) Foster and have him involved w/Nina, they are close in age and recharge the Jill/Nina rivalry being another family connection to Jill…Jill being Jill hated Phillip being involved w\Nina years ago. Katherine could be involved trying to keep peace and infuse Jill/Kay on opposite sides again. [/quote]

    Jill/Kay on opposite sides, teammates, or anywhere in between is preferable to anything Tucker/Kay. There is nothing wrong with JC/Kay but she looks awful battling with Tucker and the bonding scenes weren’t much better. Their is nothing layered about their exchanges, no humor, no love, no nothing, just angry words. Kay and Jill reading the phone book together would be interesting and much less miserable to watch.

    If you want Kay battling with a male make it Colin. Please look at the scenes side by side. Colin (like Jill )can bring out more in Kay, even if it’s a nasty horrible fight it’s amusing and entertaining. Watch JC’s facial expressions,it’s a huge difference.

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    pennywise555

    [quote=SoapArmageddon]
    Also, I don’t think the character of Tucker belongs on this show, so I don’t want to see anything that ties him further to the canvas.[/quote]

    I don’t either. Brock was and is Katherine’s son. There story was short and sweet but moving, Tucker can’t beat it no matter what.

    If something bad or good happens to Kay I want to see Jill, Brock then Murphy,P3, Nina, Ester, Chance and Mac at her side. I don’t know how much longer Y&R has but JC can’t last forever, can’t we use these use these the time she has left to have the characters that have really meant something to her AND the viewers.

    All this story time wasted on Ashley (who is practically a stranger) and Tucker who is one. Neither Tucker or Ashley fit with Kay or any of the Chancellors. Please give Kay a meaningful story with those who have meant something to her for decades.

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    brando70456

    To Maura West and Diane,
    I would like to apologize for the lack of respect shown to you and to your amazing talent, Ms. West. I applaud you for the professional stance you took and the outstanding performance you gave with some of the worst material I’ve seen written for a daytime drama since the unbelievable story of a “cloned” Reva on Guiding Light! At least they know which actresses can pull off these appalling stories. And I would also like to express my sympathies to the once great character of “Diane” who’s history goes back to the late, great Terry Lester’s take on Jack, “the devil in bed” Abbott. Don’t get me wrong, I think the recast of Peter Bergman is one of the best in daytime history…what I am lamenting here is the loss of a character with HISTORY. This was a total waste of talent to do what they did with Maura West in the character of Diane! Maura West deserved better! I hated what they turned Diane into! If the writers were so intent on having Ms West reprise the role of Diane, I can think of several ways that would have been more worthy of Maura’s talent and Diane’s history.
    1) Diane comes back to town as a successful businesswoman with her own money and a Kyle the correct age he should be, (same as Abby). With her talent and some good writing, she would have been a force to be reckoned with. Maura would have been great with less dependence on Victor and Jack. Think of the possibilities…a battle for Diane instead of just for Jabot, with some Phyllis and Nick thrown in!
    2) OR how about Diane coming back into town as Tucker’s wife and/or ex?! Delicious! Tucker (played by the wonderful Stephen Nichols), arrives in town, begins his takeover of Chancellor, starts falling for Ashley and then “BAM!”, he has an ex/and or current wife Diane he failed to mention. Maura West vs Eileen Davidson! Throw Jabot, Jack and Victor into the mix and you got story for years! Plus, we all know how Jill feels about Jabot and Katherine as Tucker’s mother, this would have been story for everyone that the Y&R fans CARE about!! We could still find a man for Jill somewhere….
    Instead, we have to sit through “murder reenactments” with all suspects passing in the night with not one of them going to end-up as the murderer! We’ve not only lost the great talents of Maura, but also a character with a rich history. Makes no sense!
    Now we are now saddled with Genie Francis bouncing around town making small talk with everyone and wasting precious airtime. Not at all interested in this storyline. (Cane’s story has become so convoluted, I find it hard to keep up with and it is no longer interesting.) Plus appears they built this great new “mini-mansion” set for Genevieve but with no story taking place! Where is this house?! Down the street from Kay’s?! Okay, somehow I can picture GC and the different locations of different sets EXCEPT when they show the “skyline” outside Jack’s window! Please…no more chairs out the window! Somebody probably got killed…now that would have made a more interesting way to kill off a character, like Genevieve, instead of 15 smashes to the back of Maura West’s head! For goodness sakes…she moved family to LA for this show! Oh…how I miss Bill Bell! Maura, you are a great actress, you were incredible with the awful material given you. You will land on your feet and I’ll be watching to see where you land. You can make any show 100% better just by being in the background! Young and Restless, You missed a great opportunity. I just hope CBS doesn’t decide the same fate for you as they did for their two other GREAT dramas, “As The World Turns” and “The Guiding Light”.

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    watchingtheyr60

    [Quote]……one that can’t even afford to play it’s leading lady, but somehow finds coins under the couch to hire 17 new actors a month.[/Quote]

    I do not understand this. If new actors aren’t bringing enough fans to raise ratings why do they continue to do it?

    I notice post after post of viewers begging and pleading to see the characters and families they have watched for years. Why not write for them? The core viewers will take lots of abuse and continue to watch because they are involved with the whole story of Genoa City, but MAB has stopped telling it. Instead, many of the stories are being written around the new actors with the senior Y&R cast in support roles. Why is the show being written for fans of the new actors?

    Fans that follow an actor over don’t last that long if “their” actor isn’t front burner all the time. There aren’t that many actor fans to begin with,they are just loud and passionate, and many just watch the episodes that have to do with “their” actor. That’s a big investment of money & writing effort, and screen time from Y&R for a very tiny group of viewers whose only interest in the show is their actor.

    I don’t see how catering to actor fans groups at the expense,of your silent majority is thought to be a good strategy. The Y&R audience is loyal but it can only take so much of constantly being ignored. They are turning this show off in droves you can’t hire enough new actor w/fans to replace what you are losing.

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    tedew

    Tucker as Nick’s Father? Bizarre and shark jumping as that sounds, why does it sound so very appealing to me? Think of all those ramifications! Plus at least the two actors fit the age categories.

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    harlee490

    @matealestlmo I like a lot of what you’re saying about cleaning house and rid of the dead weight. It needs to be done. I’m not keen on Marge/Kay scenario, I’m just thinking with MAB we saw what she does a god awful doppelganger stories and could cause further destruction of Mrs. Chancellor. I do like the idea SoapArmageddon’s idea about the mini-stroke. Cast Colleen Zink as Phillip Chancellor’s sister and she’s in cahoots w\Jill comes to GC to wrestle for CI? Even if it’s a short term. I also think Nick should stay as a Newman, that history is set and leaving Adam the only male heir and his character is ruined completely. Adam needs to be written off and go to prison for at least a year to redeem him (or start immediately of changing this character) and then bring him back as a changed man trying to redeem himself wanting a relationship with Victor and his siblings because (MAB is writing this character into a corner) fans regardless of family connection will just hate him and we will get another murder on canvas from MAB. I’m not saying he should be more like Nick. Nick is more like Nikki. He and Victoria are more like Victor but temper it toward enemies and business. The struggles to regain his family’s trust…that’s drama. Why not actually integrate Adam as a true bisexual man. Not gay but a real bisexual story, him being closeted and concealing because of his shame (as he sees it). Cast an actor coming to work for Jabot and its Adam’s college buddy he had an intimate relationship all those years ago and he starts seeing Rafe…jealous, triangle…different. He could also be having a serious relationship with a woman at the same time.

    Bring back Kay Alden she was their with Bill from day 1 and she was groomed by Bill and does know the true characters. Yes, she did have like all writers some misses, but she could steer Y&R back to form because of her KNOWLEDGE of the show. Make Jack F. Smith associate head writer. Bring back John Conboy or H. Wesley Kenney and/or both as EP’s, they both won along side Bill, knowing the history and characters. Make Ed Scott Executive in Charge of Bell Productions to look after both soaps.

    Recast Lily, Victoria, (Gina T.) write out Deacon, Jeffery, ALL the Ashbys bring back Dru, get Sharon story WRAPPED UP ASAP ditto with this hot mess story of Diane, this is going to be long and confusing. I can see in next 2 months Jamey railing on this story. Show Sharon with backbone, let her GO after Adam w/Victor and Adam goes to prison. As for Sam, I think if wrote correctly and because he doesn’t have AGENDA it’s rarity and refreshing now days to have a “good character” could be utilized. Let him & Sharon develop a relationship and give them a story, my thoughts are Sam is vet and animal lover, what if Sharon goes back to work at Newman’s and finds “Beauty of Nature” is using animal testing in one of their oversea labs which could be “hot topic” story for Sharon & Sam, pitting Victoria & Sharon against one another.

    Back burner Phyllis for a year…way to much. Give Lauren a front burner story. Give Jill a real “Jill” story in character. Have Murphy developing Alzheimer’s, have Gina come home to reopen Gina’s. Make it splashy and glamorous involving the whole cast launching a new story. Get rid of Ronan, MAB effed that story from beginning to end. Utilize the new actress Vance’s asst.(name?) the black actress she is gold. Involve her w/Neil and Dru returns. Either utilize Gloria & Kevin or send them packing.

    Have Tracy come home to stay, even recurring because Y&R needs the “heart” for the Abbotts as John and give her mini-story. Let her do all publications & writing for Jabot’s new product line. Put Ashley back in lab where she belongs. I do like Tucker & Ashley, so figure out how to use both great actors. Devon as Tucker’s son we will see on that and how it’s written. Not against it but not sure if it will work. :)

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    BillyMillerFan

    Jamey, you made so many great points that highlight why Y&R is barely holding my interest right now! I’m just so sick of all the constant doom and gloom on the show. No one is ever happy and the lack of romance is appalling. I think that’s why Villy struck such a chord with so many people and are so popular because it’s nice to see people smiling and laughing and happy to be together. I’m missing Billy/Villy like crazy now, but I hope when he comes back he’s the fun Billy again not moping like everyone else. I hate that MAB had to break them up too to add to all the sadness. Right now it’s too many characters a lot of which I have no reason to care about (pretty much anyone in Cane’s story, Ronan, etc.) and way too many plots with stories being dropped left and right (Lucy). Crossing my fingers the ship will be righted soon. Right now I’m just counting the day until Billy returns!

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    Pure_Diva

    Thanks, Jamey!!

    I would be happy if we had some new HW’s with extensive Y&R history to come in and “right the wrongs” of the MAB regime.

    You know things are bad when you start looking at LML’s tenure like it was the good-ol’-days.

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    Nathang1983

    I’m really wishing they would fire Hogan Sheffer and Scott Hamner and hire John F. Smith and/or Josh Griffith. I know Smith is a script writer at B&B, but I would think he could move over to Y&R without a problem. What they should really do if it gets very bad for Y&R is make a deal with the Bells to keep MAB as EP and hire new headwriters. Trent Jones might also be a good choice for headwriter. Just a thought.

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    Dyllan

    I’ll add another character who needs different writing or needs to go….Kevin. WTF, when did he become Mr. Romantic Comedy? Please….his character was interesting when he was dark and shady. He’s no ladies man. This goofy and funny side is bland and vanilla. Chile, needs some matches.

    Abby’s character is awful. The writing is to blame on that one. She acts like she is 12.

    And this murder mystery is just bland. I don’t know why Y&R went down this path because they are never good at this type of storyline.

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    You all can also sign on to our new twitter account as well: @FireMABCompany I may have added a couple of folks so far, so if you’re being followed by this twitter account, know that it’s coming from me as well.

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