HomeTVAll My ChildrenRatings, Rants and Raves: OLTL Hits Biggest Numbers Since ’08; Ties GH for No. 1 Among W18-34; Young and Restless in Crisis Jamey Giddens August 19, 2011 81 Comments Cancelled, low budget soap opera One Life to Live is continuing the ratings climb it started on before news of ABC ditching it was confirmed (Source: Soap Opera Network). The week of Aug. 8-12, One Life came in No. 3 among total viewers, just behind CBS Daytime's The Bold and the Beautiful and was tied with B&B at No. 2 in households, with a 2.1 rating. This was the soap's highest rating in that demo since December 2008. Among women 18-49, OLTL was tied for No. 2 with General Hospital, the latter being the only ABC Daytime soap opera that hasn't been formally cancelled. OLTL hit No. 1 among women 18-34, tied with GH. Does Anne Sweeney truly believe a f***ing weight loss show, shepherded by the very same clown who tanked her network's soaps, will ever match these numbers? In story, the Tale of The Two Todds reached a fever pitch as John McBain (Michael Easton) showed up with DNA tests proving BOTH men were Todd Manning! Elsewhere in Llanview, Destiny (Shenell Edmonds) decided to abort her child, but Nora (Hillary B. Smith) pleaded with her to have Matthew's (Eddie Alderson) bambino so she and Pa, er Bo (Robert S. Woods) could raise him or her. That devilish Clint (Jerry verDorn) was sentenced to house arrest at Llanfair and Starr (Kristen Alderson) and James (Nic Robuck) finally walked it like a pair of teenage dawgs. Basically there was something for everyone — just like a good soap opera is supposed to serve up! Prospect Park shouldn't have any problems successfully transitioning this super soap to the web and other platforms. GH came in No. 4 in total viewers and households but, as previously mentioned, did impressive turns among women 18-49 (tied at No. 2) and among women 18-34 (tied at No. 1). The aftermath of Liz/Siobhan and Jason/Carly's car accident dominated GH the week in question. Jax (Ingo Radamacher) snuck his behind back into Port Chuck, snatched Josslyn and planned to head for parts unknown. Lucky for Carly (Laura Wright), Shawn (Shawn Butler) is turning into quite the Cap'n Save-a-Ho! Sonny (Maurice Benard) went bat poop crazy, vowing to kill Jax for taking Carly's kid, but we all knew it was really another episode of All About Brenda. Super Jase (Steve Burton) and Siobhan (Erin Chambers) were rushed into GH in bad ways. Sam (Kelly Monaco) knocked the taste out of Carly's mouth for endangering Jason's life with her constant dramas, making the foreign phrase, "You go, Sam!" escape from my lips. Don't worry, I booked a soap character therapy session right after. There was also, strip pool with Coleman for DiLexis, Quartermaines-a-plenty and the Brothers Drake entertaining the audience, as they pulled out their stethoscopes to see who was the better surgeon, as Robin (Kimberly McCullough) refereed via Skype. Alright, Garin Wolf. I am damn impressed! All My Children came in No. 5 in total viewers the week of Aug. 8-12. AMC inched up a tenth of a ratings point in households, to tie GH at No. 4 in that demo. The show was also No. 4 among women 18-49 and among women 18-34, tying Days of Our Lives in both slots. Much like with the wreck on GH and the Tale of The Two Todds on OLTL, AMC had an engaging, umbrella story in the out there Orpheus Project saga. But you know what? I'll allow it. I can finally suspend my disbelief about Dixie (Cady McClain) once again being alive, especially if it means I get powerhouse scenes like the ones where JR (Jacob Young)—his brain soaked with alcohol and his heart hardened by years of abandonment—saw his mother alive and well and in Tad's (Michael E. Knight) living room in a smart, blue blouse. Brad Bell, please, please, please do not do Young like you did Rick Hearst and Sarah Brown, and simply snap him up, only to get bored with him in three months on The Bold and the Beautiful. This cat is on the acting upswing of his career and deserves on helluva story in B&B's very fictional version of SoCal. Across the town of Pine Valley, Zach's (Thorsten Kaye) return from the dead was also causing drama; Krystal (Bobbie Eakes) was threatening to turn David (Vincent Irizarry) from a rooster to a hen if he hurt her girl Angie (Debbi Morgan); Jack was tracking down doppelgangers and Cara (Lindsay Hartley) was singing Whitney Houston's "Where Do Broken Hearts Go (When Their Husband's Wives Come Back From The Dead…Again)?" I can honestly say this was the first time I thoroughly enjoyed all of the ABC Daytime soaps at the same time, probably since the days when I was wearing MC Hammer pants to high school. Over at CBS, Maria Arena Bell and her co-head writers continued to flat out destroy The Young and the Restless. Y&R shed a whopping 162,000 total viewers, fell one-tenth of a point in households, dropped two tenths of a point in women 18-49 (tying their all-time low) and falling a tenth of a point among women 18-34, again — tying their all-time low in that demo. Storywise, this soap was absolutely unrecognizable and practically unwatchable the week in question. The only romantic couple MAB has managed to cultivate in her tenure, Villy, was further ruined as Billy (Billy Miller) up and abandoned everyone he loved for Hong Kong. Lily (Christel Khalil) announced she was divorcing Cane (Daniel Goddard), which I'm sure the show's legions of Lane fans (which I readily admit, I am not one of) loved. Ronan (Jeff Branson) was back in town and being a doink to Nina (the only bright spot of the week — Tricia Cast) and Avery (Jessica Collins), the 3,754th guest star to play a lawyer on Y&R this year, explained to Sharon (Sharon Case) how she and some League of Extraordinary College Students Who Fight For The Unjustly Accused of Pushing Bitches Into Volcanos was gonna save her. Meanwhile, the show still can't afford to play Melody Thomas Scott (Nikki). WTF?! Now, follow me for a second, because math was never my strong suit in school, but coudn't Y&R afford MTS (the freaking, uber popular, female lead of the show) if they got rid of, oh say, about 6-10 of these characters fans could give a lovely fudge about? Maybe if MAB didn't blow Y&R's casting budget with all these stunts, MTS could be on screen? Fix this, Sony. Step in and fix this now, because you have a Chuck Pratt/Dena Higley situation on your hands, and from where I'm blogging, it ain't getting any better. B&B also struggled in the ratings the week of Aug 8-12. The show dropped 161,000 total viewers, fell one-tenth of a point in households, two-tenths of a point among women 18-49 (where it was in last place) and was dead last among women 18-34. I really can't blame anything storywise for B&B losing this many viewers. My guess is it was negatively impacted by its sister-in-law soap. I thoroughly enjoyed all the drama following Katie (Heather Tom)'s heart attack over Bill (Don Diamont) trying to catch mono from Steffy (Jacqueline MacInnes Wood). While the Amber/Marcus/Dayzee triangle was, shall we say, less enjoyable (Jacob Young, hurry up and get to B&B so you can save Adrienne Frantz from Texas Battle!); it wasn't any reason to tune out of B&B when the show has been on a creative upswing of late. I think B&B could benefit from a few creative, out-of-the-box marketing pushes. Maybe a web series featuring Hope (Kimberly Matula) and Steffy's stepsister rivalry, or a spoof of Keeping Up With The Kardashians called Life With The Logans? B&B could also do a Web Therapy-style webisoap where Dr. Taylor Hayes (Hunter Tylo) counsels the dysfunctional peeps of Los Angeles for five minutes a week. Just some thoughts! Days of Our Lives was in last place among total viewers for the week. DAYS was also last in households and tied its all-time low among women 18-49. Among women 18-34, the soap came in No. 4. Salem reeled from Aunt Maggie (Suzanne Rogers) getting a cap busted on her by one of Stefano's (Joe Mascolo) goons the week of Aug 8-12. Remember when the worst thing Stefano did was put somebody in a birdcage every Sweeps or so? Sigh. I still don't understand why the DiMeras and the Tribe Called Kiriakis are beefing, but then I never understood the whole East Coast vs. West Coast thing either. To borrow from Sophia on The Golden Girls, Maggie manages to live 65, 66 years, survive Uncle Mickey's death, live through myasthenia gravis, then one night, she belched and one of Stefano's bad aiming hitmen almost blew her head off. See you next, Ratings! 81 Responses SoapyBitch August 19, 2011 What’s great is in the new SOD Sarah Michelle Gellar stated that she hasn’t watched AMC as much recently; she’s currently really into OLTL. Log in to Reply Marland Fan August 19, 2011 To TPTB, please take note: Daytime drama is not dead. All you need is great storytelling and viewers WILL make the effort to watch. Way to go, OLTL. Log in to Reply AlexB August 20, 2011 Extraordinary College Students Who Fight For The Unjustly Accused of Pushing Bitches Into Volcanos…. *** Lmao! I’m about to take Y&R off my DVR. On the other hand, I’m dying right now…OLTL is killin’ it! Damn I wish that it was Monday! Some…smart person…please put the whole Tale of the Two Todds story on DVD and sell that monster. I will pay you hansomely. Log in to Reply bonobochick August 20, 2011 Ok, it’s been a while since I’ve watch B & B but I thought it was almost about Thomas/Dayzee. What happened? :~ DOOL is unbearable to try to watch. Log in to Reply Restless Fan August 20, 2011 Once again Y&R bleeds out. I honestly don’t know what it’s going to take for MAB to realize she’s not that good. On Friday the show had a sad 3.0 rating. Every show either stayed the same or went up so she can’t say there were less people watching. Though I’m sure she will spin it in her favor somehow. That Y&R is being butchered by a Bell is even more disheartening. I know she only married into the family but where is the love and respect for what Bill Bell created? Why doesn’t MAB and her 2 sidekicks just go to the front entrance of CBS, pull their pants down and defecate in the doorway? This way there is no more ambiguity of what they really think of this show. I’m bored hearing her say how much she “loves” these characters and “loves” this show then continues to kill off older characters in favor of inferior new ones. Then to add salt to the wounds she proceeds to write them badly and change the tone of the show all together. MAB, Sheffer and Hamner….you have all overstayed your welcome!!!!! PLEASE GO!!!! Log in to Reply Smitty August 20, 2011 Thank you Jamey for this…I’m on a break from Y&R but I read the tweets everyday and I am just disgusted with the show. I pray it eventually gets it’s act together because I am sick of this nonsense. Log in to Reply appleridge August 20, 2011 Great article Jamey ABC is a fool and Prospect Park is King Way To Go OLTL Log in to Reply david46208 August 20, 2011 It is the same story with Y&R every year since Maria took over the show. She and her two minions just cannot write. They have no understanding of the history of Y&R and the legacy of Bill Bell. When Maria seems to get something right it is because she unknowingly “stumbles” into it. And as quickly as she has stumbled into a good patch of writing within a few weeks she is back to the bullshit. Maria: “We’re got some exciting storylines coming up in the fall. Victor goes to Mars to save Nikki from the Martins where she has been kept all this time in the Newman rocket ship. Neil goes undercover as a leading man with 5 days a week of storyline. Cain sprouts an extra head and we delve into double headed adultery. Whose the real Cain head? Katherine is discovered to have been dead since 1990 and her brain has been living in human like robotic body. Then we are going to touch on an issue that is very close to my heart. When a writer is old and washed up from Hollywood trying to write for the #1 daytime drama…We’re just doing stories we’ve never done before. All this is going to lead up to our November Sweeps when we have special reveal about Phyllis that will rock Geona City to the core. Hint: think the ending of Soap Dish. We will also have something that is totally and completely out of this world! Let me hint that we have been screen-testing Sesame Street Puppets as we want to introduce a new puppet family. Miss Piggy has already been cast in the contract role of Peggy Pig. Expect to see them mixing it up with the Winter’s.” Log in to Reply arielade August 20, 2011 Can someone PLEASE hire Jamey to fix our soaps???! Why someone hasn’t snatched his ass up by now is beyond me!!!! Smitty, you are smart to be taking a Y&R break right now. Watching the show is TORTURE. It DRAGS on. I didn’t even realize I said “Thank God it’s over” yesterday until my husband started laughing at me. The only bright spot, to me, is Sharon’s new lawyer. I didn’t realize why I liked her until I compared her to all the other women on Y&R who are soppy, pathetic messes. None of them have a backbone, or apparently, rational thoughts. But don’t worry, I am sure this will be ruined soon enough. They will probably pair her with Adam, or Nick, or God forbid Victor! And then all her intelligence, strength, and appeal will wash away. I’m not sure why B&B isn’t doing well right now, I’m loving it! And GH has been better lately too. I am enjoying seeing Sonny in an actual jail cell and being treated like the criminal he is. It seems like someone is trying to redeem Dante for his horrific hypocritical behavior with regards to Sonny. I used to really like Dante (until Sonny shot him and he didn’t press charges), but I think it’s too little too late? Log in to Reply giogio August 20, 2011 Anne Sweeney – with the weight loss show and the chewables. there you go Jamey – wind us up for the week-end – I hate when I see that chewing commercial – i dont even want to talk about this – a**holes Log in to Reply matealestlmo August 20, 2011 This is the very reason why a Y&R fan and me started the FB campaign to get rid of MAB and her co-horts fired from destroying the show any further! (Jamey, I’ll post the link, but could you fix it so that others can click on it and join please. Thank you!). Here’s the link: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fire-Maria-Arena-Bell-from-the-Young-and-the-Restless/199881346739801?sk=wall&filter=1 You can also add us on Twitter @FireMABCompany too. The more we get on the FB and Twitter campaigns and the more noise we make, maybe, JUST MAYBE CBS/Sony will get their heads out of their asses and do something about it! Michael and Daphne (my other co-hort) Log in to Reply SoapArmageddon August 20, 2011 I’m glad B&B is now being called the “sister-in-law” soap instead of the “sister soap” to Y&R. I used to enjoy both these shows equally once upon a time. Nowadays I actually feel as though I’m forcing myself to watch Y&R. Days is just as horrible, but at least there’s hope for better days soon. SONY is probably going to keep Maria Arena where she is because her last name rhymes with HELL, which is what I¿m being put through. Log in to Reply matealestlmo August 20, 2011 [quote=david46208]Maria: “We’re got some exciting storylines coming up in the fall. Victor goes to Mars to save Nikki from the Martins where she has been kept all this time in the Newman rocket ship. Neil goes undercover as a leading man with 5 days a week of storyline. Cain sprouts an extra head and we delve into double headed adultery. Whose the real Cain head? Katherine is discovered to have been dead since 1990 and her brain has been living in human like robotic body. Then we are going to touch on an issue that is very close to my heart. When a writer is old and washed up from Hollywood trying to write for the #1 daytime drama…We’re just doing stories we’ve never done before. All this is going to lead up to our November Sweeps when we have special reveal about Phyllis that will rock Geona City to the core. Hint: think the ending of Soap Dish. We will also have something that is totally and completely out of this world! Let me hint that we have been screen-testing Sesame Street Puppets as we want to introduce a new puppet family. Miss Piggy has already been cast in the contract role of Peggy Pig. Expect to see them mixing it up with the Winter’s.”[/quote] ROTFLMAO!!!!! ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS DAVID!!!!! Thank you for my daily humor! Log in to Reply GLTURNS70 August 20, 2011 I might be beating a dead horse but I do firmly believe that BB’s struggling demos are attributed to As the World Turns cancellation. Its been almost a year and BB still cant hunch up that lost ground and every cycle the show stays at a stalemate. Im not ragging on YR but Thank GOD for Marcy Rylan, Christel Kahil, and Micheal G. Because they are doing a wonderful job carring this show through this horrible creative period. GH and OLTL are Marvelous, but Im a little scared that OLTL will start running on fumes after a while with these stories all drawing to a head. Hopeful Ron can propel some delicious stories forward. Log in to Reply GHFan777 August 20, 2011 I can’t wait for OLTL to come each day….Monday seems so far off…This show is off the hook…I am loving it…and I am thrilled that the ratings are showing what a fantastic show it really is. GH is getting better…but it still has a long way to go to catch up to OLTL. Log in to Reply ER Writer August 20, 2011 Preach on y&R Jamey! Genie Francis: You don’t leave me!! I leave Yooouuuuuuuuuu!!!! And they used that clip for a promo!?! I almost fell out of my chair. Maria Arena Bell needs to go. I’m sorry, she shouldn’t even be passing coffee on that set. She recycles stories every 3 months and they’re not even good!!! Everything about this show is wrong wrong wrong. Log in to Reply harlee490 August 20, 2011 Fire MAB…Jamey, you’re so right it’s turning into a Pratt/Higley mess and Y&R needs to be careful. Log in to Reply alstonboy4315 August 20, 2011 Y&R in crisis? Wow, I wonder why…………….(eyeroll!) Please note my heavy sarcasm! :Sp :Sp Log in to Reply matealestlmo August 20, 2011 ^^ LOL ‘Nuff Said. Log in to Reply YR Southern Observer August 20, 2011 Thank you Jamey. It is inconceivable how MAB/Sony could destroy the once powerful Y&R….but they are. And you are on the spot about Melody Thomas Scott and her salary. Bring her back and take the story telling/script writing back to the good old days….maybe we could even have Edward Scott back? I know, too much to hope for…but one can dream. I dvr Y&R then spend much of my viewing time fast forwarding. All you read about are the new characters they are bring on….and please, put the viewers out of their misery and ship Genie Francis off to Austria….anywhere but Y&R! They have flushed money down the drain with a lot of their newbies and stunt casting. Give me Nikki and her family…..Billy and Victoria…Nicholas…Victor…Michael, Lauren,Kevin, Katherine,Jill…and yes, even Gloria. Is anyone at Bell Productions listening?? Log in to Reply giogio August 20, 2011 Anne Sweeney – with the weight loss show and the chewables. there you go Jamey – wind us up for the week-end – I hate when I see that chewing commercial – i dont even want to talk about this – a**holes Log in to Reply YR Southern Observer August 20, 2011 Amen Log in to Reply GHfan-4now August 20, 2011 Great ratings, rants and raves! OLTL is pretty much the must see soap for me… even with all the BSC that’s come along with it. I count the others as they come along, lol. Log in to Reply matealestlmo August 20, 2011 I’ve now added OLTL on my DVR. Log in to Reply Restless Vixen August 20, 2011 Jamey, thank you! Thank you for calling Y&R out for its lackluster storytelling the last few years. Some of the soap press, in my opinion, go easy on Y&R because it’s the number #1 rated soap. But if you look at the numbers, Y&R’s rate of viewer erosion the last 10 years has been the sharpest decline versus all the other soaps. True, they had harder to fall, but the data don’t lie. The actors on Y&R are carrying this show for the writers. The few bright spots on that show are driven mostly by the acting, which seems to sing in spite of the writing, not because of it. Log in to Reply yojoromo4469 August 20, 2011 [quote=Restless Fan]Once again Y&R bleeds out. I honestly don’t know what it’s going to take for MAB to realize she’s not that good. On Friday the show had a sad 3.0 rating. Every show either stayed the same or went up so she can’t say there were less people watching. Though I’m sure she will spin it in her favor somehow. That Y&R is being butchered by a Bell is even more disheartening. I know she only married into the family but where is the love and respect for what Bill Bell created? Why doesn’t MAB and her 2 sidekicks just go to the front entrance of CBS, pull their pants down and defecate in the doorway? This way there is no more ambiguity of what they really think of this show. I’m bored hearing her say how much she “loves” these characters and “loves” this show then continues to kill off older characters in favor of inferior new ones. Then to add salt to the wounds she proceeds to write them badly and change the tone of the show all together. MAB, Sheffer and Hamner….you have all overstayed your welcome!!!!! PLEASE GO!!!![/quote] ABSOLUTELY SUPERB WRITING RESTLESS. ARE YOU BY CHANCE AVAILABLE TO HELP POOR MARIA BELL OUT? I WOULD LOVE TO HELP HER OUT, WHICH WAY DID SHE COME IN?????????????????? Log in to Reply Pure_Diva August 20, 2011 [quote]Avery (Jessica Collins), the 3,754th guest star to play a lawyer on Y&R this year, explained to Sharon (Sharon Case) how she and some League of Extraordinary College Students Who Fight For The Unjustly Accused of Pushing Bitches Into Volcanos was gonna save her.[/quote] ROFL!!!!!! Jamey, your article felt like you had been reading my mind! It was funny & on point at the same time. All of these comments are HIGHlarious!!!!!! I can’t believe Hogan Sheffer is still in the soap biz. While he was writing ATWT, he was winning awards while alienating viewers at the same time. He made the characters completely unrecognizable and the defection of viewers started under his tenure and never stopped until the show was cancelled. The show basically, IMO, jumped the shark because of him. But after what he did with Days, he should’ve been blacklisted from the business altogether. Hiring him to write for Y&R convinced me that somebody wayyyy up high wanted to kill the soap. Otherwise, why hire him? Scott Hamner was the worst writer under LML (in my opinion), yet he stayed???? Really??? What does that tell you? And MAB…. SMH… I’ve run out of words for how inadequate & destructive her “vision” has been for Y&R. For the show to have any chance of survival, all three of them must go!! And please don’t bring any more out-of-work HWs from any other defunct soap. Those soaps are off-the-air for a reason. Log in to Reply marknsprmo August 20, 2011 Previously I could find something to enjoy about Y&R even if it was very short lived, there would be something. Right now, I can not even think of one story that I want to see more of or one character that I am happy with. Should I root for Jack who jumped into bed with Adam and Diane to bring down Victor (as if they could)? Do I even care that Kay is trying to help her son by keeping him away from his business and breaking up his marriage?Does anyone on this show act the way they used to? Is there any love in Genoa City or is it just the place for lonely hearts and abused souls? Does anyone care who killed Diane? The answer to these questions and many more are on the next episode of How to Kill a Soap in record time, otherwise known as Y&R. By the way I don’t think Days is as bad as it was. It might not be great but if I had to watch a full ep of either Y&R or DAYS, I would watch Days. Have been keeping my eye on the ABC soaps a little. AMC and OLTL’s turn to old Days of our Lives stories should give the actors on those shows more respect for the poor actors on Days. They have to bring to life these rediculous plots of people returning from THE DEAD and dopplegangers. I know this is supposed to ralley the troups bringing back the old guard and exciting the fans. And it does. For a while. Ask Thaoo Penghliss about what happens next. Or Wayne Northrop…… It has given a few really good acting moments. I am most proud of Lindsay Hartley. I am really feeling her pain. She has been pure perfection during this whole story. Then again, she has had tons of practice with this kind of story. Duh ten years of Passions and a short tenure on Days…… Log in to Reply Dueler312 August 20, 2011 Everything been great on OLTL, except for the story of Starr and James, which incidentally is none at all, and has been. Log in to Reply Llanview76 August 20, 2011 Just watched OLTL today and Aubrey’s real name is Christine and her surname a legacy character from OLTL’s past, I wonder if they are related… Log in to Reply liason4real August 20, 2011 OLTL has been FIYA for months! Is Christine Carr the daughter of ex-hooker Katrina Carr? Hmmm. Katrina and Jenny were both pregnant and when Jenny’s baby died, Marco/Mario and Karen switched Katrina’s healthy baby with Jenny’s dead child. This was a long, long time ago, so I could be a little fuzzy on if it was Marco or Mario that helped in switching the baby’s! Log in to Reply giogio August 20, 2011 Llanview76 – just finished watching OLTL also- I was so upset when Starr and everyone else started yelling at poor The poor guy who thought he was Todd that I didnt even want to finish watching. The poor guy was brainwashed. They better not hurt his character because that is just not nice. Even the real Todd wants to go kill the poor guy who thought he was Todd- what kind of brainwashed did they miss!!! To top all of my aggrivation with that to night as I am typing the friggen CHEW commercial is on Log in to Reply bishbay August 20, 2011 OLTL isn’t as good as everyone is saying it is. Y&R isn’t as bad as everyone is saying it is. The bandwagon jumping on this site is incredibly creepy. Log in to Reply Dyllan August 20, 2011 Excuse me, but OLTL is the best show out there. It deserves the praise it gets. The tale of the two Todds is great, and hell, even Aubrey’s story is not too bad because of ties to past storylines. I hate Ginger Bitch, but her going to a strip joint was hilarious. I’ve never been bored watching OLTL. Y&R is crap. I hate to see how this weeks ratings are because this week was even worse then last. Everyone is unlikable on the show and all the storylines are just BORING. Watching Y&R is a chore. B&B is another underrated soap. I would say its drop it ratings are because of Y&R. Log in to Reply alstonboy4315 August 20, 2011 Bishbay– What’s wrong with jumping on a bandwagon and expressing how we really feel? Does that mean we are all brainwashed or incapable of independent thought? What is it about us expressing our opinions that creeps you out? Not trying to be argumentative, just curious………….. Log in to Reply danicajolie August 20, 2011 I have three words to explain the rise for OLTL! ROGER EXTRAORDINARY HOWARTH Log in to Reply marknsprmo August 20, 2011 I won’t speak for bishbay but reading people’s comments on this site sometimes feels like listening to a Rush Limbaugh program. People just regergitate what the ptb on this site say. If they love a doppleganger/back from the dead story, so do the people who write in here. If doppleganger stories are on the outs with the editor then so goes the rest of the people on this site. It has not been just months when both Y&R and Days did these kinds of stories and got absolutely crushed by the people on this site. And suddenly those kinds of stories have rebuilt AMC and OLTL and they are the golden era. Which is it. Are these kinds of stories KILLING soaps as was the claim (and do not bother denying that is what was said), or are they the best thing that has happened since bread and butter was invented? This site (which I am a big fan of by the way and in no way am trying to negate the positive points of the site), is extremely tunnel visioned and contradictory when it comes to what is acceptable and what is not on a soap. Why is Rafe/Faux Rafe bad? or Emily/Patti bad but Todd/Faux Todd good? Is it simply because the fans desire to see “real” Todd is so great that any story bringing him back is ok? All I can see is that people like to complain about soaps as long as they are not in danger of cancelation almost to the point of getting them canceled. Because then, they want to fight for it and all is well with whatever they do. Just let Y&R start bringing back all their dead by way of magical science and see the outrage! Heck bringin Cane back nearly caused a civil war…… maybe people ought to express how they feel when the bandwagon isn’t banging the drum and clacking the cymbols. Perhaps it would be good for people to stand up and be counted and to be consistant popular or not. Log in to Reply kintex August 20, 2011 [quote=giogio]Llanview76 – just finished watching OLTL also- I was so upset when Starr and everyone else started yelling at poor The poor guy who thought he was Todd that I didnt even want to finish watching. The poor guy was brainwashed. They better not hurt his character because that is just not nice. Even the real Todd wants to go kill the poor guy who thought he was Todd- what kind of brainwashed did they miss!!! To top all of my aggrivation with that to night as I am typing the friggen CHEW commercial is on[/quote] Starr was weird about the whole thing but Dani recalling their past with tears streaming down her face while TSJ’s eyes welled up with tears got to me. TSJ and KM were so raw with their emotions and they rocked their scenes. Log in to Reply soapbaby August 20, 2011 I am super-critical of OLTL because I have loved it so much since ’90 and I can say without a doubt that it’s SO good right now! It’s so good because of “The Tale of Two Todds” story, so if you don’t like the story, I imagine OLTL is pretty difficult for you these days. I love that story and the movement on “Destiny’s Preggers” story. I am a pretty happy camper now but I am bracing myself a bit because Trevor St. John is gone in September and this “Ghost-Gigi” story is ramping-up. Without TSJ, I fear the Todd s/l will take a nosedive and it appears Rex/Gigi are going to be frontburner if she’s not dead after all. Ugh. Y&R on the otherhand is just plain unwatchable. I think the backlash from many posters here is due to Y&R being held as the goldstandard of soaps. It’s abysmal right now. It really feels to me like some e over at Sony wants out of the soapgame with what they are doing with the show. I agree with a former poster stating that Hogan Sheffer should never work in the industry after the mess he created over at ATWT. His years as headwriter was extremely damaging. Log in to Reply keanna August 20, 2011 As always great ratings article, Jamey!!! Well, count me in on the OLTL bandwagon, it is on fire and we love it!!!!! GH, So far so good for Garin. AMC, At its best in a long time, can live without Maya and Mookie, though. Days, Just waiting for the new writers to start. Log in to Reply Dyllan August 20, 2011 [Quote]If doppleganger stories are on the outs with the editor then so goes the rest of the people on this site. It has not been just months when both Y&R and Days did these kinds of stories and got absolutely crushed by the people on this site. And suddenly those kinds of stories have rebuilt AMC and OLTL and they are the golden era. Which is it. Are these kinds of stories KILLING soaps as was the claim (and do not bother denying that is what was said), or are they the best thing that has happened since bread and butter was invented?[/Quote] ******************************* Its not the type of storyline being told, but HOW the writers execute it. Y&R’s doppleganger storyline was BULLSH*T. No one cares about that lame Emily/Patty or Lauren/Sarah. The writing was sloppy and just dumb (They dropped Lauren’s storyline in a week because it was that bad). We just saw SH scream for 5 minutes each show. OLTL’s doppleganger storyline is getting praise because its storyline is based on the show’s history. The Todd storyline is paying homage to OLTL’s past and it helps that OLTL really isn’t skipping the emotional beats in their storyline. Y&R just did theirs for shock value. And OLTL, isn’t beating that type of storyline to death, unlike Y&R. And, Kay’s dopplenganger storyline got a lot of praise because it was well executed and payed homage to the show’s rich history. Maybe a lot of people are praising a show because, in general, most people like it. And the hate for Y&R, has been happening for a long time. Log in to Reply Llanview76 August 20, 2011 I will say this, I am not a fairweather viewer of ONE LIFE TO LIVE. I have appreciated the show throughout the last three years no matter what went up or down. I have been watched it daily the moment Andrea Evans came back to Llanview. I can find good and bad in each episode but what I do notice is everyone involved is trying to do the best show possible. I think any upset, mainly the cast shake up when Rachel, Schuyler, Kyle, and Fish left stemmed from a bunch of suits tampering with a show. But despite the lemons I felt the cast and crew made some decent lemonaide out of it all. Giogio…I felt bad for Victor Jr. myself sort of this victim whose own mother cut him…literally…then had him surgically altered, before having him brainwashed…has to defend himself against allegations of being a fraud when all the while he believed he was who he was…and what is this term “special” Irene referred to him as being…is he “special” like Stuart on ALL MY CHILDREN? Log in to Reply liason4real August 20, 2011 Todd#1 was tortured for eight years and Todd#2 was brainwashed for eight years by their own mother!…lol Only on a soap! Starr was acting all witchy even though she new that Todd#2 was brainwashed and is still her Uncle who raised her for eight years! I too enjoyed the Dani/Todd#2 and Jack/Todd#2 scenes. I am really looking forward to when Todd#2 starts to regain some of his Victor, Jr. memories. There is a lot of story yet to tell and I wish TSJ was still on the show. Log in to Reply Llanview76 August 20, 2011 And I am hoping Aubrey aka “Christine Karr” is really Mary Vernon-Karr the daughter of Katrina Karr and Brad Vernon. This would open a door for the Wolek family to return, mainly Karen (Judith Light). Log in to Reply Pure_Diva August 20, 2011 I don’t think it’s necessarily bandwagon-jumping on this site. Many people (myself included) screamed bloody murder when HS was hired as a “consultant” on the show and we saw his influence immediately. Many people (myself included) dogged MAB from the very beginning. Granted, we were attacked on this site for saying so, but there has been a contingent that saw the shallowness of MAB’s talent and that of her cohorts from the start. Some other people had to view the show for awhile first before their opinions caught up… but the bottom line is: the show has been losing viewers since MAB took over. Clearly, there are people who feel the same as the ones posting here – or else they would still be watching. Log in to Reply Pure_Diva August 20, 2011 *sorry* duplicate post. This is so embarrassing. Log in to Reply Pure_Diva August 20, 2011 Whoops! duplicate post. Log in to Reply Dyllan August 20, 2011 And I think another problem with Y&R is that it really dedicates a lot of its writings to the Newmans, especially, Adam and Victor. I’ve been enjoying Adam away from Sharon, but when the writers go into Adam mode, it really kills the show, IMO. He needs to just be a supporting character for now and not eat it up. He’s not that good. Plus, Y&R is really dark and gloomy (has been for a while and compare that to OLTL which adds humor to their show….another reason for the praise and criticism perhaps). Log in to Reply soapbaby August 20, 2011 Also, I don’t consult with anyone else on they feel about soaps when posting my opinion. If my opinion so happens to agree with one or two or the majority or none at all, it doesn’t bother me. I enjoy these boards because I think many of the posters and site managers are smart. I came and stayed at this site because I love people telling it like it is without being overly censored and parented. Regarding OLTL’s “The Tale of Two Todds” s/l , benefits from much better writing and acting than Y&R or DAYS doppelgängers s/ls. I liked AMC”s Erica/Jane s/l but not really into the “Returns from the Dead” s/l but hell AMC is going off the air, so it gets leeway. I would kill for a “Reva’s Clone” s/l because it was well-acted and is better than a lot of what goes on in soaps these days. I digress. My point is I think it says something when a truly diverse group universally applauds or pans something. Log in to Reply SusieQ August 20, 2011 [quote=marknsprmo]I won’t speak for bishbay but reading people’s comments on this site sometimes feels like listening to a Rush Limbaugh program. People just regergitate what the ptb on this site say. If they love a doppleganger/back from the dead story, so do the people who write in here. If doppleganger stories are on the outs with the editor then so goes the rest of the people on this site. It has not been just months when both Y&R and Days did these kinds of stories and got absolutely crushed by the people on this site. And suddenly those kinds of stories have rebuilt AMC and OLTL and they are the golden era. Which is it. Are these kinds of stories KILLING soaps as was the claim (and do not bother denying that is what was said), or are they the best thing that has happened since bread and butter was invented? This site (which I am a big fan of by the way and in no way am trying to negate the positive points of the site), is extremely tunnel visioned and contradictory when it comes to what is acceptable and what is not on a soap. Why is Rafe/Faux Rafe bad? or Emily/Patti bad but Todd/Faux Todd good? Is it simply because the fans desire to see “real” Todd is so great that any story bringing him back is ok? All I can see is that people like to complain about soaps as long as they are not in danger of cancelation almost to the point of getting them canceled. Because then, they want to fight for it and all is well with whatever they do. Just let Y&R start bringing back all their dead by way of magical science and see the outrage! Heck bringin Cane back nearly caused a civil war…… maybe people ought to express how they feel when the bandwagon isn’t banging the drum and clacking the cymbols. Perhaps it would be good for people to stand up and be counted and to be consistant popular or not.[/quote] I’ve watched a lot of the other doppelganger stories as well and I hated them, but I too am loving the Tale of Two Todds. For me the difference really comes down to the writing and the performances. OLTL plays all the beats of the story. They played every beat of Todd’s journey of trying to figure out who he was, than they played every single beat leading up to the reveal – there was a whole episode of Tea and Danielle trying to figure out what it would mean if the man they thought was Todd Manning wasn’t and they’ve been playing every single beat of the reveal and it’s aftermath. My heart broke for both men as their psychotic mother confessed what she’d done to them. Roger Howarth’s silent performance through the confession was just as powerful as Trevor St John’s performance as Victor insisting he was Todd Manning. The dialogue is as fantastic as the performances. This story spans across the entire canvas and for me sure, it’s putting these characters I love in a crazy, unbelievable situation but their reactions to it are true to character and so true to how people would react if this insane thing happened to them. It’s not just about the plot point, this whole story is all about the characters and how it affects all their lives. The rest of the show for the most part is also so well thought out and well written that I run home everyday to watch it too. Log in to Reply gato1 August 20, 2011 Amen Dyllan that is what I was going to say! Soaps can (pretty much) get away with anything if it is well written and the EMOTION comes thru from all the people involved. Did Paul, Jack, or anyone seem really mysified or very emotional after learning the truth about the switches, umm maybe for a few scenes but that was it. I am DYING for OLTL to snatch 2nd place from BB!! Log in to Reply liason4real August 20, 2011 duplicate post! Log in to Reply liason4real August 20, 2011 duplicate post! Log in to Reply giogio August 20, 2011 Llaview76- Oh it was heartwrenching. Wrapping my head around the brainwashing concept was sooooo creepy. Victor Jr. REALLY believed all this time he was Todd. I was just upset that Starr was so mad at him for impersonating her father, which at the time she probably believed all the while he was being intentionally deceitful. Forgot about the being “special” part. Guess that too will unfold. But you know, Irene, a person presumed dead for over 30 years told this story about who the real Todd was. How do we really know if what she said was gospel truth. It still may not be that Todd is Todd. My nerves with this. Log in to Reply liason4real August 20, 2011 The “Tale of Two Todd’s” works for me since OLTL started laying the ground work this time last year when Tea screamed at Todd#2 that he was NOT Todd! Of course, Tea was “dying” at the time! Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens August 20, 2011 On Days, Rafe suddenly had a doppelganger who took over his life and no one suspected anything. It wasn’t tied to history, it didn’t involve the return of a beloved actor, etc. It was just another lookalike story for the sake of another lookalike story. On Y&R, there were two doppelgangers at once, who had plastic surgery to look like other women, who then decided to start killing people for absurd reasons, again, not tied to history. On AMC, a 65-year-old virgin decided to lock an icon in a room that looked just like said icon’s bedroom to take over her life and…get laid? Really, I still don’t know what the motivation of that story was. Now for OLTL. I wasn’t watching 8 years ago, but from what I gather what happened to Todd Manning (one of the show’s most popular characters) changed the game. A new man, with the face of the brother one of the show’s integral villains showed up, and eventually convinced people he was Todd Manning, though diehard fans always held out hope, wondered if he was really Walker Laurence or a fake. Flash forward almost a decade later, the original, insanely popular portrayer becomes available and the show smartly decides to bring him back and pens a story, rooted in several decades of the show’s history, that pits him against his equally popular replacement and the two women the character of Todd loved. Has it been over-the-top? Hell yes, but OLTL, unlike other soaps acknowledge that and winks at the audience as it goes along. You don’t see OLTL’s writers patting themselves on the back in the press saying how they are the true heirs of this legendary writer or that one. You don’t have the actors in this story going on talk shows and saying with straight faces that this story is something that is very topical and timely and can happen to someone in real life ans Joy Behar’s mouth flies open potentially endangering herself of letting a fly choke her. No, you have Jack saying how the two Todds could be clones because of what happened in Springfield. IMO, OLTL is a smart, fun, sexy, dramatic soap spoof. It pays homage to the genre’s over-the-top tendencies, while still actually providing some of the best dramedy on TV. Judging by the ratings surge it has been a success, not because I or the editors of this site say so, but because enough fans have felt that way to take the show to No. 1 among women 18-34, one of TV’s most coveted demos right now. The recent doppelganger stories on AMC, Y&R and DAYS all helped tank those shows ratings. Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens August 20, 2011 Additionally, the whole point of the OLTL story being considered good by this site because of fans desire to see the real Todd…anyone who has followed what I write at all should know that can’t be the case for me. I never watched the “real Todd”. I loved Trevor as Todd and thought Roger was a terrible actor on As The World Turns, which was my only experience with him, since I only started watching OLTL four or five years ago. I fully expected and wanted to hate this story. Go back and listen on the podcast. Luke and I both said we hoped Roger wouldn’t come back. The first week of the story, with Roger-Todd grunting, “I am Todd Manning” was ripped by all of us. Then, the story picked up like crazy and carried us on a wild, intense, history rich and most importantly, wildly entertaining ride. No one ever expects or enlists bandwagon jumping on this site. This column is based simply on my opinion. No one has ever had a problem disagreeing with my opinion. Lane fans who visit this site quickly tell me they disagree with my distaste for that couple. I’m the only editor/podcast host who likes Villy on Y&R. I should resent the implication that some how glamour people into going along with what we say (which is varied, by the way. Jillian loves JaSam, I don’t. Luke thinks Greenlee walks on water. I think she’s overrated, etc.), but I know it isn’t true. LOL Log in to Reply giogio August 20, 2011 I hope something happens were Trevor gets back on the show signed on with PP. I loved him as Todd and want him to stay. Too tired to digest all you said Jamey, will pick up on this after sleep. Log in to Reply jphelps August 20, 2011 The Todd story is not great but its entertaining and it involves the shows main leads. I see why people are finding it good soap and the emotional fallout has been great but I also read here how good the back from the dead ish on AMC is and its crappy not because of the scifi aspect of it because AMC unlike OLTL has not capitalized on any emotional fallout from any of it. Dixie is back from the dead then all of a sudden she’s sipping coffee with Tad and Tad and Dixie, well they are boring. The stuff with JR was good and was the only saving grace from Dixie back round 100. Zach and Kendall the same thing. Although AM did a great job with her one little scene but its been more of the same lack of emotional fallout. Thats where all these soaps fail and why the 2 Todd story has been good not because of campy Irene and that nonsense becaue they were smart enough to play the post reveal beats to the story. But I can also say as someone who enjoys reading other opinions here and doesn’t agree with a lot of whats said here, that OLTL has been praised for ages even when the show was crap. And someone tell me outside of this story, what other story does OLTL have thats compelling. Nothing right now. This site praised Bob Guza for ages while he gutted that show for years, no one seemed to care what he did as long as Jason ran around with his gun or bedded Liz while Quartermaines were killed up the wazoo, history ignored. MAB in the past has been praised for turning things around after LML. Yes she cleaned up a lot of LML’s mess but nothing she has done since then has been worth crap. So I can see why people feel some. I don’t criticize the praise for the 2 Todd story thats been good but I do question the praising of other things. Log in to Reply Llanview76 August 20, 2011 marknsprmo…I think what you said was spot on…people on here need to respond to each other more instead of repeating the same thought over and over and over regardless of who initially wrote it… A lot of people could learn a thing or two by maybe being more aware because some of us have watched soaps pre 1998…pre Todd Manning even. I used to skip school to watch ONE LIFE TO LIVE in action and it all began with the secret room behind the bookcase in Llanfair library! Giogio…I keep hoping another legacy character is tied into this brainwashing storyline…I think Irene Manning enlisted in the aid of Dr. Ivan Kipling who was known for his diabolical handy work in the 80′s implanting microchips into people’s heads and controlling them. And speaking of Llanview psychos I also wonder and hope with Tina and Cord coming back…will Jill Larson, in between jobs, come back and harass Tina as mad bomber Ursual Blackwell? I think as we get into September we are going to see a lot of past favorites months ahead… Gato…God I hope OLTL overtakes B&B…and maybe even take a serious swipe at Y&R…Aside from actress Jeanne Cooper, I think the Y&R cast is kind of a snotty bunch. After some of the stories leaked on here regarding the behaviors and egos behind the scenes it would be nice if some of them were humbled. Log in to Reply SoapArmageddon August 20, 2011 It is rather insulting to imply that the bloggers call the tune on this site and the rest of us just fall in line. I choose to assume that each fan has legitimate reasons for his/her posts. I think my love/hate relationship with Y&R is well-documented. It would probably be better for my peace of mind to stop watching the damn thing, but a twenty-year force of habit makes that extremely difficult. Days is the soap I have watched the longest–since Madonna was “like a virgin” and MTV was new. It has never been a dramatic masterpiece, but it used to be good, escapist fun. It’s very far from that now. OLTL is not a show I obsess over, but whenever I watch it, I’m entertained. Log in to Reply bishbay August 20, 2011 It’s deeply hilarious to me that the Patti story was considered just BaD Bad Badddd on here even though it was rooted in the show’s history but the Two Todds (which has not been particularly good and has had even sloppier plotting than anything on Y&R for a long time) is omg amazing because…it is rooted in history. Oh. Funny how that works. I’ll acknowledge that there is some fine acting in the TT story (though the actress playing Irene is a tragedy in a bad wig) but Stacey Haiduk bringing it every day wasn’t enough to save the story for Jamey and, coincidentally of course, nearly everyone else on here. Just pointing out a pattern, and I’m pleased to see I’m not the only one who’s noticed it. Log in to Reply bishbay August 20, 2011 And just to be clear, I’m not implying that the site authors expect commenters to agree with them–I’ve never seen any sign of that. It’s the group mentality within the comments that creeps me out. Log in to Reply Duchess August 20, 2011 Y&R literally put me to sleep a couple times this past week! A year ago this week I was literally racing home to watch Villy in all their glory. I remember the promo was all about them being “rebels” and showing them kissing and in the shower. Y&R’s ratings went up almost 300,000 viewers that week so I guess I wasn’t alone in not wanting to miss a second. Now the ratings are dropping like crazy and promos are about crazy Genevieve who not many people seem to care about, and I think that at least part of it is breaking up Villy the one really great thing that’s come out of MAB’s tenure and the best thing period on soaps in awhile IMO. There’s no romance or happiness on Y&R anymore. It’s all doom and gloom. I want funny, sexy, entertaining Villy back along with MTS and a focus on characters we know and love!!! Log in to Reply jphelps August 20, 2011 @bishbay ITA. One reason I like the blogs here while I don’t agree with a lot of them is that everything is well thought out and substantiated. I enjoy reading Jamey and Lukes and Regans opinions and think it would be great debating them face to face and they are passionate about what they believe. I have been posting here because I want people to know there are folks out there with other and different opinions that don’t buy into some of the stuff these shows are tyring to sell. For example I think AMC has been a better soap over OLTL but now with the emphasis being pushed back on the scifi crap its back to mediocre. BUt in terms of the Erica doppleganger story, how is Jane wanting to take Erica’s place any more hard to believe or outlandish than the Irene ish on OLTL. Because its not. Again what is making the Todd story good is the emotional fallout. Can anyone honestly say that Todd lurking for weeks in May and JUne was good soap? And I don’t know if the Patty.Emily stuff on Y&R was so awful because the work Stacy, Doug Davidson did, even Peter Bergman was wonderful. And please Villy was not single handedly responsible for Y&R’s ratings. Thats like saying Liason on GH single handedly helped their ratings. Maybe I should then blame Liason for the loss of 1m viewers GH experienced in 2007 when they were a couple or credit Emily.Sonny for the ratings stability the show experienced when they were a couple. I mean really. Its nonsense. BY that mentality Lane should be a couple because Y&R’s best ratings this year was during the CAne death and return weeks. And off topic on Cane, the 50th backstory with Colin and Tr was about the most believable and interesting one Y&R did and they have now ruined all that with this stupid mob family crap and bringing Cane back from the dead. And @bishbay while I don’t think Y&R is as horrifically bad as everyone says, it is boring and predictable these days. Proving that just shoving Victor, Adam, Nick, and Jack into a FB murder mystery with them as the main suspects is not going to draw people in because the story is bad. Reminds me of GH and that idiotic TMK murder story which was ridiculous and an insult to viewers and the death of 2 decent legacy female characters for shock value but because Jason was the center of it it was good soap. Glad ratings dropped during that crap too. Log in to Reply bishbay August 20, 2011 Jphelps, I totally agree Cheers! Log in to Reply soapfan616 August 20, 2011 I am happy for any ratings increase for any soap. I also believe that the soap opera genre, if it is to thrive and attract new viewers, it must rely less and less on these plots: 1) who’s the baby daddy because oops I had sex with multiple men and forgot to use birth control with any of them 2) return from the dead, especially return from the dead to find someone living my life 3) I forgot to tell anyone I had a baby at age 16 and look they are now showing up to town to cause trouble. While I have enjoyed the emotional fallout of these types of stories, we must admit to ourselves that our genre, at times, is bogged down with too many of them. Popular characters and actors returning to a show can give a show a bounce, but when they return from the dead through very unbelievable means, I wonder how many new soap viewers we are attracting. Log in to Reply LisaM August 20, 2011 [quote=Jamey Giddens] On AMC, a 65-year-old virgin decided to lock an icon in a room that looked just like said icon’s bedroom to take over her life and…get laid? Really, I still don’t know what the motivation of that story was. [/quote] I am not going to try and defend Erica’s story but let us not act like RC’s writing is better than AMC writing. As a person who has written many articles rightfully critiquing other writers it would be good if despite being an RC fan you exercised some objectivity when reviewing his stories. This story is a bad soap writing and Irene’s explanation does not make any more sense than the AMC story you are bashing. The only people who deserve credit are the actors who are are working hard to sell this cringeworthy material that played out like a bad SNL skit. RC doesnt think much of his audience and your constant praise as he writes these moronic stories doesnt help. Since RC thinks his audience is made up of a bunch of morons he had Vicky a veteran journalist, two journalists (Todd 1 and 2) and a former FBI dectective John believe Irene without any questions being asked. Any person with a brain would question what Irene told them but because RC doesnt think much of his audience this is how he wrote their scenes. He expects us to forget that Irene locked her other son and tortured him for 8 years because of “it”, she put out a hit on her beloved son and that her explanation is absurd when she switched them because she didnot like the way one twin turned out. This story is ridiculous and isnt smarter than Erica’s story. RC is a lazy writer and patting him on the back because he doesnt claim to be an heir of a legendary writer is setting the bar too low when you are constantly challenging other writers. RC should be held to a much higher standard. The double standards and continous praise for RC’s stories which are mess with many holes doesnt help RC as a writer. Log in to Reply flyhigh5 August 20, 2011 I’m thrilled that the ratings for OLTL have been going up and up – and hope they continue to do so. Freakin’ Frons, and ABC, have made the soap audience out to be a miserable, dying, practically invisible breed. I love when the ratings show this an audience that can come out in numbers when they want – and won’t settle for the cheap, talk and reality crap that ABC’s trying to dish just because it’s on the tube. Now, Y&R. Last week was a snooze so I’m not surprised ratings suffered. There continues to be no Nikki, Billy’s still AWOL, and GC is just depressing as hell. And, what’s driving the show right now – what’s supposed to bring in the viewers? A murder mystery about a woman that the audience was never was given the chance to become invested in. But, I don’t think all hope is lost. I agree Jamey, get rid of excess weight. I do give TPTB credit for bringing in new characters and mixing it up – but some things just aren’t meant to be. Case in point – Noah, Hunter & Eden. I’m sorry, but my only reaction to this trio continues to be a quick search for my remote and the FF button. I’m hoping once Billy M (and hopefully MTS) return to the fold – and we see what the hell Sharon and Kay are smoking – that things will get more interesting (like Villy reuniting!) and the ratings will rebound a little. I think Y&R has got some work to do but there’s still a chance for this show. Log in to Reply soapbaby August 20, 2011 [quote=SoapArmageddon]It is rather insulting to imply that the bloggers call the tune on this site and the rest of us just fall in line. I choose to assume that each fan has legitimate reasons for his/her posts. I think my love/hate relationship with Y&R is well-documented. It would probably be better for my peace of mind to stop watching the damn thing, but a twenty-year force of habit makes that extremely difficult. Days is the soap I have watched the longest–since Madonna was “like a virgin” and MTV was new. It has never been a dramatic masterpiece, but it used to be good, escapist fun. It’s very far from that now. OLTL is not a show I obsess over, but whenever I watch it, I’m entertained.[/quote] I agree with you 100% SA. To the posters who feel like so many posts are “carbon copies” of the same thing…do you just disregard a large number of posts? I read posters routinely disagree with each other and the bloggers. I wouldn’t post here if I felt the bloggers were agenda-driven or trying to get me to “drink the Kool-Aid.” I am an independent thinker. I am also curious as to the experience with other soap discussion boards. My experience with some other popular discussion sites is that everyone’s overly-censored where you cannot have full-on dialogue. I am not comfortable with the idea that Jamey or the team of bloggers have to justify their views or we posters who might happen to agree with them on some things can be called “sheep.” Log in to Reply seascape70 August 20, 2011 I am so excited for OLTL… It has been a long time that I just can’t wait for the next day of a soap. TSJ is killing it! PLEASE give this guy a Emmy next year!! Log in to Reply jphelps August 20, 2011 @LisaM ITA. BUt I have to defend RC in one area. I think his pacing and the way he intertwines the canvas is exceptional. Its his best trait. I think his overall stories are garbage. But I would love Jillian especially this question if she would answer it when she gets a chance. Why do you feel writers like Bob Guza and Ron Carvalati, both heavy handed mysognist writers are so good. I ask Jillian because she is a woman. ANd to be honest the writing at Y&R is very ABC like now IMO without the explosions and events but they are killing off a lot of people. Log in to Reply Dyllan August 20, 2011 [Quote]It’s deeply hilarious to me that the Patti story was considered just BaD Bad Badddd on here even though it was rooted in the show’s history but the Two Todds (which has not been particularly good and has had even sloppier plotting than anything on Y&R for a long time) is omg amazing because…it is rooted in history. Oh. Funny how that works. [/Quote] ******************************* Are you really trying to compare the Patty storyline to the Todd one? Patty’s character was pretty much a new character. They rewrote Patty’s personality in her latest stunt on the show. Most people, myself included, didn’t mind that Mary Jane was really Patty. In fact, everyone loved that because they were paying tribute to the show’s past. However, Emily did not have any ties to the show and the acting was awful. It was a random plot point It was awful watching SH scream in every episode and cry. Plus, it was so stupid that Jack couldn’t tell the difference between the two women in the sack. On the other hand, both Todds have contributed to the show’s history. Plus, we are seeing the pain this has caused the families in Llanview. That wasn’t shown in GC. You are comparing apples to oranges. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin August 21, 2011 LisaM I said the exact same thing two days ago in the forums…and yes, there have been some huge plot holes HOWEVER I have to say I am totally riveted to it, absurdities at all. Historically soap viewers will suspend a certain amount of belief to accommodate certain stories IF its otherwise well written, the story draws from history, it plays to the strengths of its most popular and compelling characters, and it pulls at the emotional heart strings of the audience. I really think some of us are ruining television and movies with this overly analytical way of viewing things. Who cares if Jack Bauer doesnt take a potty break on 24 or if every question on Lost was answered on the finale or if its absurd that a police department would hire a “mentalist” consultant and let him roam about and nap freely in the PDHQ. Yeah vicki should have had more questions but at the same time Im choosing to believe she so wanted this other guy to be todd that she was willing to believe whatever made that the truth, mostly because I dont think vicki has ever fully forgiven todd some of the things he did to jess, natalie and starr over the last 8 years. Log in to Reply CarsonGH111 August 21, 2011 I’m a General Hospital guy, but I have to say… One Life To Live is KICKASS recently! Brian Frons is an idot for getting rid of One Life To Live and it’s potential for storyline. Ron Carlivati is an amazing writer,, and I sware if GH goes, oh boy will ABC be hearing my mouth! Log in to Reply BillyMillerFan August 21, 2011 You were spot on with everything you said about Y&R, Jamey! This past week was just about the worst week of Y&R in years. The murder mystery is already boring me beyond belief and making everyone look stupid. Plus like you said I hate what they did to Villy. There were so many ways to write out Billy for a little while without breaking up the best soap couple in years. They have been the one bright spot on this show so I’m crossing my fingers MAB remembers how to write a love story again and fixes them when Billy returns. Oh and she needs to stop adding useless characters like Genevieve and bring back Nikki ASAP! Log in to Reply Cyberologist August 21, 2011 Oh good grief….GH lost a million viewers ‘not only’ because of Liason who ate the screen in story to be blamed by many… but because they were killing off vets x3 2007 highlighting a woman getting strangled nearly every eppy for how long in lousy storylines Liason was written against had they been give a vanilla story then I’ll make a comparison.. I get so sick of that asinine excuse…what is the reason they are losing viewers right now…Liason isn’t the story and hasn’t been in years yet here we go drudging up when more people watched the show then they do now…is this the first time GH lost a million viewers…?? No it isn’t. GH is dying that’s it period and Frons is to blame. I don’t give a flying leap who is a couple or not some fans are not coming back to GH. As for Guza-Lite the jury is still out I’m seeing some weird storytelling from Wolf and I’m not all that impressed e.g. that a mobster shooting a mother (who makes excuses for i) in her living room while the kid is in the house and bringing on another mob family means the show is getting better. Also Wolf’s team is a little heavy handed on the foreshadowing. Y/R what happened to the WTD w/Neil / Sofia / Malcom storyline? I liked Tucker and Ashely’s storyline I figured MAB wouldn’t let her stay happy and married but I thought it would be longer that a couple of weeks… Log in to Reply jphelps August 22, 2011 @cyberologist I was not blaming Liason I mearly was comparing it to a stmt that said Y&R went up a couple of weeks when Villy were a couple. Which I am sorry is as ridiculous and crediting or blaming other couples although I have read on this blog at times how putting Liason back together would help ratings. Ugh no couple can.I am going to wait patiently while all of those super couples Days is bringing back do nothing for their ratings and ANY of those couples can beat any Jason centered couple by a ton. If anything helps ratings its story ONLY> We saw it at Days with the baby switch and with OLTL with the Todd story. AS for GH I am awaiting to see what is so impressive about this new writer. So far other than a few catfights with women slapping each other and Sonny by Carly, I don’t see anything still but dumbass Spinelli, boring LAnte, played out LL2, and Scrubs bickering yet again. zzzzzzzzz And no I don’t care about ANOTHER mob family. Log in to Reply soapfan616 August 22, 2011 Amen to the sentiments about another mob family on GH! Amen to the comments that GH’s current problems are not the result of having one couple or another. It’s the writing. Soaps, just like the theater, live and die on good writing. I will accept poor production values, I will accept a couple or two without chemistry. I’ll even take campy, bitchy dialogue if it’s well done. I will accept that actors and characters come and go in this genre…but bad writing sinks the ship. Always has. Always will. That doesn’t mean every show has to be written one way or the other. I can take fast paced or slow paced. I could even take the freaking mob if anyone at ABC knew how to write it. But there hasn’t been quality writing on any ABC show in years. And sorry, RC—ANOTHER come back from the dead to find somebody living my life is not just unoriginal, it’s insulting to the thinking viewer. I fear for the IQ of all of Port Charles’ citizens, especially the women, when RC comes over to write. And how many come back from the dead’s can hit Pine Valley in one month? I watched ten minutes on Hulu the other day and people are rising from the grave like it’s Night of the Living Dead. Are these soaps risking all of their credibility and believability (whatever is left) in hopes of attracting people to a network that has caste them aside? Clearly, no one has decided to go out with the class, humor and ground breaking story lines that made AMC and OLTL so good. These shows no longer have a social conscience; they are barely written for anyone with a pulse much less a brain. We can get angry and blame the powers that be at ABC, and maybe we should. But regardless which actors and couples ABC was pushing down our throats, the writers didn’t have to give us sexist, insulting and unbelievable writing. I personally can’t believe there are any woman writing soaps at ABC. Clearly, there has been too much un-checked testosterone in the creative meetings at all the ABC shows. And you shouldn’t write good female characters just because many women watch shows. You should write them because it makes for good believable drama. Log in to Reply jphelps August 22, 2011 @ soapfan616 Amen. I still warch the shows off and on. I don’t watch much of GH anymore, haven’t watched Days in months, Y&R is come and go, B&B not engaged. AMC is really the only show I am watching religiously and OLTL only has me interested because of Todd squared. the rest of the show not interesting. BUt I think what you are seeing are the viewing numbers for all the shows pretty much bottomed out. Sure they will continue to lose or gain week to week but I think the audience thats left are those viewers who watch out of habit or just don’t care much about the writing. These shows aren’t doing anything new or innovative. They aren’t doing anything groundbreaking EXCEPT for the PP deal. That and getting these shows away from the constraints and micromanagement that network TV execs have yielded is the one glimmer of hope. Log in to Reply Pure_Diva August 23, 2011 [quote]And just to be clear, I’m not implying that the site authors expect commenters to agree with them–I’ve never seen any sign of that. It’s the group mentality within the comments that creeps me out.[/quote] I’m pro-Lane, love Cane & his portrayer & hate Adam. The rare times I agree with the “majority” on this site is usually by accident. And besides that, I’m a fully grown woman. So if I can come on here with my own thoughts & opinions and manage to type them out coherently, then I’m sure the rest of the posters come on here with their own ability to do the same. I may not agree with most everyone here, but I wouldn’t be posting here if I thought they were stupid or if I thought they wrote in “group-speak”. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.