Ratings, Rants and Raves: CBS Soaps See Spikes; General Hospital Dips Week Sonny and Todd Square Off





Daylight savings time was good to the Bell soaps on CBS. (Source: Soap Opera Network) The Young and the Restless went up 62,000 total viewers and inched up one-tenth of a ratings point in households. Among women 18-49 and W18-34, Y&R held steady.
 
In story, Victor (Eric Braeden) hired Sharon (Sharon Case) to run a new cosmetics company under the Newman Enterprises umbrella, much to the chagrin of board members Lauren (Tracey Bregman) and Tucker (Stephen Nichols). When Nick (Joshua Morrow) saw how hard the board of directors were being on his little Share Bear, he finally agreed to accept Victor's offer to run the firm with Sharon.

Of course Nick's baby bro, Adam (Michael Muhney), didn't miss an opportunity to stand up for Sharon too. He had Chelsea (Melissa Clare Egan) help him get to the Newman board meeting, just in time to co-sign Victor hiring his ex. That wasn't all Adam was up to the week in question. He also found himself back at the Genoa City Police Department, as his little conscience cleansing exercise with Paul (Doug Davidson) and Jack (Peter Bergman) saw him brought in for questioning, due to his part in Patty's (Stacy Haiduk) escape from the funny farm. Now this is not to be confused with Hope's (Signy Coleman) farm, where blind people can put out fires caused by electrical storms.


Elsewhere in Genoa City, Daisy (Yvonne Zima), the homicidal maniac and boy rapist, called social services on Phyllis (Michelle Stafford)—a reformed homicidal maniac and boy rapist—to keep her away from Baby Lucy.

I enjoyed all of the boardroom happenings at the Tower a' Newman (Sigh, I still miss Dru!). Lauren and Tucker's reaction to Sharon—a woman who has spent the better part of the last five years being either a.) locked away in mental institutions b.) shacked up with her baby napper or c.) charged with murder must volcanic—being tapped to run a company was spot on.

Was it just me, or did Bregman and Nichols sort of have a spark of chemistry in those scenes? I wouldn't mind if Y&R went there. I am so over boring, Lauren Fenmore, the happy homemaker! The Lauren I fell in love with in the 80's was hoeish and bitchy — I liked her that way.

The Bold and the Beautiful went up 53,000 total viewers over the previous week. B&B also went up one-tenth of a point in households (up three-tenths of a point over this time last year) and was also up one-tenth of a point among W18-49. Among W18-34, the 30-minute sudser dipped one-tenth of a ratings point.

Storywise, the oh-so tense state Hope Logan's (Kimberly Matula) vagina was still all anyone could talk about. Lucky for Hope, Dr. Nora Buchanan from One Life to Live gave her a bottle of dolls to loosen her cookie monster up. I'm starting to agree with my blog buddy Luke Kerr (Now there's a phrase you don't hear often!); B&B needs to have more going on than this.

The Hope/Liam/Steffy triangle is a fresh way to present Generation Next of the Forresters, Logans and Spencers, but at least give my Brooke Logan (Katherine Kelly Lang) more to worry about than whether or not her daughter is able to achieve an orgasm comfortably!

Days of Our Lives went down a miniscule 9,000 total viewers. DAYS didn't budge in households, W18-49 or W18-34.

The week in question saw John (Drake Hogestyn) and Hope (Kristian Alfonso) break into an Alamainian government office to steal their passports back, only to be thwarted by Stefano (Joe Mascolo). Their little misadventure was prompted by Hope learning from arch rival Billie Reed (Lisa Rinna) that Bo was dying back home in Salem.

Bo didn't meet his maker, but Sami (Alison Sweeney) will likely soon be praying to her's, as Kate (Lauren Koslow) informed Billie she knows Sami is the mole at Countess W and plans to wreck her ex-daughter-in-law's life. Sami Jr. aka Abigail Deveraux (Kate Mansi) continued to lie her little a** all over Salem, causing problems for Carrie (Christie Clark) and Austin (Patrick Muldoon). Meanwhile, Rafe (Galen Gering) learned Nicole (Arianne Zucker) was pregnant.  

DAYS was watchable enough the week of March 12-16, but none of the aforementioned stories was truly breakout. The little 80's fan boy in me digs Hope and John's adventure, but the part of me that believes smart soaps should at some point pass the torch with stories like these, wonders why it isn't Brady, Shawn and/or Belle desperately trying to take down EJ, as opposed to three people who should now be in more matriarchal/patriarchal storylines?

Don't misunderstand me. I don't believe that after 50 a soap character can't have adventure, sex, romance, etc. Some of my favorite Bo and Hope adventures from the 80's involved Gram (the late Frances Reid), but it's a bit silly for John and Hope to still be having the same ol' battles with the Phoenix—complete with all three dressed in black in a faux foreign land—as he enters his eighth decade.  

I keep saying this, but I would love to see DAYS bring back Shawn and Belle with marital problems and SORAS Ciara, Theo and JT. Give the Big Four plus Abe (James Reynolds) and Lexie (Renee Jones) something meaty-yet-age appropriate to play, involving their children.Then, have John and Bo mentor Brady and Shawn in the fine art of saving the world (and their respective lady loves) from bad guys.

General Hospital dropped 96,000 viewers the week in question. GH also fell one-tenth of a point in households and among W18-49. Among W18-34, ABC's last soap held steady.

Storywise, Sonny Corinthos (Maurice Benard) faced off with One Life to Live's Todd Manning (Roger Howarth), as their baby mamas, Carly (Laura Wright) and Blair (Kassie DePaiva), bonded over being ballsy blondes with troubled exes. John McBain (Michael Easton) arrived just in time to stop Todd from killing Sonny, as Carly, Blair, Michael (Chad Duell) and Starr (Kristen Alderson) watched in horror.

Elsewhere in Port Charles, a crazed-with-grief Maxie (Jen Lilley) refused to attend her step-cousin Robin's (Kimberly McCullough) funeral. Sam was blessed by the Gods of Port Charles to get to walk in on a naked Ewen (Nathin Butler) and Olivia (Lisa LoCicero) vowed to make Johnny (Brandon Barash) stop blackmailing Steve (Scott Reeves). 

Okay, let's get this out of the way. I'm sure the GH purists, who are pissed about the "Llanview Invasion," are tickled pink that the show actually dropped in ratings the same week GH's much-lamented male lead faced off with OLTL's two top dogs. You know what? They have a right to their opinions!

I can't bitch and moan and moan and bitch about Y&R and not give credence to the gripes of GH fans who aren't happy that Todd, Blair, Starr and John all came to Port Charles. Although I will say this, MAB and Co. have been at Y&R for years, effing shiitake up. Frank and Ron have been at GH for a month or so; and in my opinion the show has been greatly improved already.

Dumb stories have been ditched left and right. Every character wants something. Almost all scenes pack an emotional punch. History is being paid close attention to (The Floating Rib, anyone?). That being said, it is troubling to see the numbers for this particular ratings cycle.

I'm sure it didn't help that GH has the worst possible lead-in in The Revolution, which hit record lows the same week. At any rate, I personally loved the crossovers, not to mention the rest of GH the week of March 12-16, but I ain't in any of the core demos Mad Ave gives a poot about in terms of daytime television.

Fans of GH, who didn't watch OLTL, are obviously more concerned about seeing their beloved vets front and center. With the upcoming returns of Heather Webber (Robin Mattson), Felicia Jones (Kristina Wagner) and Finola Hughes sticking around for the long haul as Anna, it appears the new showrunners are trying to accomplish just that.

I believe the new regime has done an admirable job—in a short amount of time and under tremendous pressure—trying to serve two masters. They wanted to try to lure fans from OLTL over, which was smart, because OLTL was the most watched soap on ABC Daytime by far during its last six months on the air. They also wanted to bring back old faves like Holly (Emma Samms), Helena (Constance Towers) Robert (Tristan Rogers) and Anna to help wrap up dangling story threads and/or advance new ones.

Should there have been more Scorpios and less Mannings? I dunno. Maybe? What I do know is that TPTB had to undertake a massive rewriting and editing effort just to fit Robert and his wives in at all. The previous regime had no plans to bring back Robert and Anna for Robin's exit story.

For this blogger, GH is once again Can't Miss TV. I am excited to see what the new regime does next; given that ABC makes the smart choice and provides them the time to do so. See you next Ratings!
 

68 Responses

  1. Profile photo of giogio
    giogio

    :bigsmile: A bottle of dolls. That is too funny. And about the people who will be happy that the GH ratings dropped. This makes me nervous cause we all know “Chop time” “do or die time” is here. If they cancel we will all need a bottle of dolls.

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    Carol2

    “With the upcoming returns of Heather Webber (Robin Mattson), Felicia Jones (Kristina Wagner) and Finola Hughes sticking around for the long haul as Anna, it appears the new showrunners are trying to accomplish just that.”

    Considering how poorly received Robert’s return was, I’m not sure. As long as Ron Carlivati continues to use Guza’s history with these characters (as he is doing with Robert and with Heather), it’s just another reason for longtime viewers to stay away.

    While GH certainly has more energy now than in the last few years, I don’t think dumb stories have gone away, and I don’t think most of the scenes pack an emotional punch. Many of them just seem transparent, badly acted, laughable parodies – any time Connie shows up, any time Maxie throws a tantrum. There ARE good moments, and powerful moments, but the trashy camp drowns it out.

    GH will never really change as long as Jason and Sonny continue to be showcased. For all the talk of exciting changes with the OLTL characters joining, they were dropped into a story Sonny has had a few dozen times already. Sonny is falsely accused. Sonny is misunderstood.

    The scenes where Todd held Sonny at gunpoint and McBain was introduced – just the man we need! as the dialogue trilled – were very badly written and acted, and had zero suspense. Everyone knew Sonny would be fine. No amount of twitching or shouting from Todd or shuffly mumbling from Sonny was going to mistake for drama. As soon as I saw those scenes I thought the ratings were probably going to take a hit.

    As for Y&R, Tucker is a zombie and Lauren would probably just meet the same fate as Ashley. The only person I’ve seen Stephen Nichols have any chemistry with on this show is Debbi Morgan.

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    Myst Stied

    I think it should’ve been more Scorpio focus, and Robert should have been written in character,which he wasn’t, after TR’s fantastic performance at the morgue it went downhill after that, longtime fans would have stayed if they had kept him and wrote him true to character, given the fact that on the day TR/Robert returned on air, which was (Feb 29th) was the highest day of the week, which garner a (2.0) and so far everybody else that has either returned or debuted hadn’t got that. The week of Tristan Rogers and Emma Samms return were a great week in the demos too.

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    josser

    ABC just screwed up royally. The ratings for the Chew are below AMC’s. The Revolution’s ratings are down 45% from OLTL’s a year ago (that’s not accounting for the increase in ratings OLTL had throughout the year). The disappearance of viewers from its lead-ins hurt GH (in addition to poor writing).

    I love Todd, Blair, and Starr. But they were not OLTL. I watched OLTL for Dorian, Destiny, David, Tea, Victor, Viki, Natalie, and Roxie (!!!). The show just had so much life and humor. Yes, it could be ridiculous, but it was fun.

    GH is getting better but I’d never call the show fun.

    Hell, I miss the Patels.

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    pumpkin

    Carol2 that was excellent post. I wholeheartedly concur.

    I think it will be very hard to get GH up because there is a base who watch the continual Jason/Sonny saga. The fans that left and are hesitant are the fans that do not want to watch Jason/Sonny and I will add Carly for the most part. Carly ill defined screaming enough already. Too little too late to fix. So basically with two different fanbases looking for two different paths. Hard to accomplish.

    I started watching again but I had dropped for awhile. I want a daytime soap opera with relationships a priority, not mob stuff.

    You can see how I go back and forth on everything. I think most of the fans of GH are doing that so I do see the ratings going up and down in the next couple of months. I believe sometimes it has to do with fans deciding what they want to do as opposed to the actual show and its stories.

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    Forever21

    These numbers show that RH, KA, KDP and ME’s didnt bring any new OLTL viewers to GH. RC/FV are working under the mistaken assumption that Roger Howarth is a ratings pull. He did nothing for ATWT and he has done nothing for GH’s ratings. The ratings at OLTL started going up before he came back and the ratings were high during the 2 Todd’s story when they had both TSJ and RH onscreen. It was the STORY not RH’s presence that caused the ratings to go high and if I remember correctly once the story ended with TSJ’s character being killed off, the ratings declined abit.
    I have said it before RC sucks as a writer his Sonny vs XXX is not Cant Miss TV. That theme is so played out, if he insists on doing it at least do it with a character viewers actually care about.
    The last days of OLTL were full of Starr Manning, Robin dies and instead of focusing on her family’s grief its back to Starr’s grief over Hope. This character needs to be backburned ASAP. WTF does he see in this girl? and then he crowns it by shipping off Robert who misses Robin’s funeral and Mcbain comes in to save the day with Sonny vs Todd UGH

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    Cyberologist

    I guess people like B&B’s one storyline Hope/Liam/Steffy with every character dialoging about their sex life.

    Poor GH I’m not surprised the politics of SaSon is killing this show its still business as usual no matter who the HW is…its Sonnycentric & Jason pimped/coddled/hijacking storylines …Robin can’t even star in her storyline about her death it becomes all about Jason.

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    KDMASK

    You bet boots the Revulsion’s craptatious ratings are hurting GH. Daytime TV for a lot of people is just habit… my mom will turn on a channel and leave it on.
    I’m not going to be popular for saying this but BRING ON MORE OLTL characters. Hell, bring on AMC ones too– get this ship off the bottom of the ocean and quick.
    GH is about 1000x better than last year. That’s putting it mildly.

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    cantearlizdown

    I think GH fans who are Robin fans were VERY disappointed in the aftermath of Robin’s funeral. There was barely any Scropios then sending Robert off on a stupid mission just to have Luke to be the one who comfort Anna bombed. That should have been Robert. They are trying to redeem Luke at the expense of everyone else.

    After Robin’s death, it was the Sonny show all over again. Yes Todd’s appearance made me a fan. I never watch RH before but his Todd made me smile. I hated seeing Carly/Blair laughing like that. That pissed me off. Then they started airing promos making Robin’s death all about her “best friend” Jason. When did Jason and Robin become best friends again? I think the fans realize that nothing was going to change. It’s still going to be the Sonny/Carly/Jason show especially now that Todd and his super annoying daughter is coming to GH. We have to watch MyKill and Starr be together with their father’s hating each other. Not interested.

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    soapbaby

    @Jamey: I couldn’t agree more about the only scenes worth watching on Y&R were the Newman Enterprises Board meeting. The scene was so brief but it reminded me that Y&R is best when the action’s corporate. With so much wrong about Y&R, the Newman board makes sense to me, Lauren and Tucker being competent business people. AND YES, Lauren and Tucker showed a spark. Lauren and Michael are beyond dull. When Maura West was on as Diane, I thought she had chemistry with Michael and that an affair would have created tons of story with Lauren, Phyllis and Victor feeling betrayed. Since we never got that, Lauren and Tucker could be the next best thing.

    I also agree with you on DAYS.

    Now, I completely disagree about GH. While the show has improved, it has a LONG way to go before being good. I am convinced that RC & FV only receive praise by the DC crew. 50% of the stories at OLTL under their reign were awful and they were never called to the mat for it. Now at GH, Robert and Holly’s returns were completely botched. Robin’s funeral started out wonderfully and deteriorated into a mockery with Maxie’s craziness, including her screaming at young Emma, “I killed your mommy!” Come on now. Sonny v. Todd was weightless. Starr (Kristen Alderson) has been universally panned by the participants on this and other soap sites. Jason Thompson, Finola Hughes and Rebecca Herbst have been amazing. While I find Kate and Maxie tiresome, I think Kelly Sullivan and Jen Lilley have been very good. It’s the writing on GH that needs to improve. I wish RC treated GH like OLTL in it’s final few months on the air. Where’s the humor and the heart?

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    sweetiepie

    Let me just say that we are barely a month into the new writing and although it ain’t perfect, it is miles ahead of the stuff we were enduring just a couple of months ago.(LIW, anyone?)That being said, I do think introducing the Mannings while we were greiving Robin was awkward. There was no reason they could not have waited until after Robins funeral to bring them onboard, and I think they would have been better received by longtime GH fans.

    I do hope Carlivati/Valentini give Sonny a lower profile, ie..less screen time. This is not the Sonny and Todd show and I hope it does not move ito that direction (btw, liked Todd2/Victor, that actor brought swagger and looked like a badass, this Todd looks like a grown up spoiled kid, jsut sayin’)

    Hopefull now that we have new writers we will get new or one new Directors. Apparently at the moment the directors only need to know how to spell their names in the credits. Kate and Maxie are rediculous. KS is so over the top I laugh when “Connie” appears. MAxie is giving me a heading whith her shrill screaming. They need to dial it down a few and the director is the one who should be giving…………direction!

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    katdvs

    I know that at least one of the Wisconsin ABC affiliates didn’t air General Hospital at all last Thursday or Friday, and again this Thursday and Friday for High School Basketball tournaments. I remember last week seeing on twitter several others said their affiliates were airing something else instead of GH. I don’t know if these people got GH later on in the day or not. I know that the local stations I have didn’t air GH at all later on, but still had Chew and Revolution.

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    soapjunkie88

    Oh well I don’t know why people should get overprotective on Ron and Frank. Because they’ve been there for just a couple of weeks?
    They have been in this industry for years and I don’t see people entirely complaining about them. GH fans just don’t understand why you have to bring all these OLTL people in and put them front and center when a beloved character like Robin just died.
    I’ve not seen many who are completely disagreeing with what Ron and Frank do … they just don’t understand why we had to put up with the Mannings getting all the air time when there are other things going on with major GH characters.

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    rlshel1015

    i guess that my questiion is “what do the fans really want from GH?” i thought that the sceenes where Todd confronted Sonny were awesome. john’s entrance has certainy shaken things up. the PCPD has always been written as dumb and john is just what they need. i think that we need to give RC time to let his stories settle in before we become so disenchanted with them. i am personally in for the long haul. two months ago i would record GH on my DVR and no watch them for s couple of days or a week. now, i watch the show the day that i record it because i need to see what is going on. i agree that GH is very must see TV right now.

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    KC121183

    Ok as a longtime GH fan (15 years!), I just wanna say this, regarding the OLTL characters coming over: I would take seeing Todd, Blair, John, and even Starr any day over having to sit through scenes w/Olivia, Steve, TJ, Sean, Maggie, The Lady in White, Ethan, Abby, and an seemingly endless slew of other bad acting newbies that I have had to sit through over the past 5 years.
    I think the griping should just STOP. GH has improved SO much the past month, and I think the Sonny/Todd rivalry is the most exciting story to come about in a long time. If this buys GH another couple of years, I say GREAT!

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    Scout

    OMG, I was gonna bring up the serial killer idea yesterday but feared I’d seem delusional or a lurking Y&R writer.

    Seriously, a serial killer could get rid of some dead weight: Angelo and Angelina come to mind, as does Daisy and Ricky, Chelsea and her mom, the D.A. (because we need to be DONE with crime stories on this show — uh, except for this one last murder mystery…

    The difference, however, would be that this one would solve some big problems with the show and WOULD NOT drag on for six months.

    The problem, of course, is that with Queen B in charge, Nikki would be the serial killer and the whole thing would be swept under the rug…

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    twb6yz

    Tired of all the focus on Hope’s hooha on B&B but ant the same time, Steffy’s indignation is beyond the pale. It seems to be the first time someone’s relationship status has mattered to her. She’s approached every boyfriend Hope has had but $Bill seems to be dropped from her memory.

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    eightiesaddict7110

    To me, the “fans” are making such fools of themselves. I am sick of all the constant complaining about the OLTL characters joining GH. I stopped watching GH over 5 years ago, and picked it up again last month. I am loving the addition of Todd, Starr, and John. I am also loving the Jason and Liz scenes. Ron and Frank inherited a mess and they are making the show watchable again. I started watching GH in 1977, and gave up when I could no longer stomach Sonny, Jason, and Carly everyday. I am loving the show this past month, and cannot wait for Heather to return.

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    TV Gord

    To those GH fans who don’t understand why the Mannings were brought on while you were mourning Robin, you’re thinking about it (naturally) from the point of view of a GH fan.

    If you think about it from the POV of an OLTL fan, maybe they were trying to attract us with the Mannings, and while we were watching, we would also get caught up in the drama around Robin’s death. It worked for me, because it reintroduced to me some characters and actors I’ve enjoyed on other soaps, most notably Anna from her time on AMC (and Nancy Lee Grahn, whom I adored on Santa Barbara).

    I watched GH for a few years when Skye went from AMC to OLTL (that’s when I got hooked on that show!) and then to GH, but after Skye left Port Charles, so did I. On the other hand, OLTL surpassed AMC as my favorite soap. I’m hoping the new regime at GH will make the GH vets more appealing to me as a viewer than the writers did during the Skye era. I didn’t think Robin’s funeral was great (Maxie making it all about her really got on my nerves), but it was a great introduction to all the players on the canvas these days.

    My hope is that the story now being told about Sonny is the beginning of the end of the mob saga, but I can see how longtime fans would be skeptical. For me, wiping out the mob and re-establishing the Quartermaines (with Jason as a full and participating member of the family) would make this a must-watch show for the long haul.

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    Islandof1

    The Revulsion is a terrible lead-in!

    A GH Fan favorite was killed off to explain why Robert Scorpio came back. Then he leaves before Robin’s funeral? At same time, TPTB kill off Cole and Hope to get the Mannings(and ex-OLTL fans)over. Add present GH fans wanting to see their story-lines played out and you cannot possibly keep all three set of fans happy and they shot themselves in the foot – ratings wise.

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    J Bernard Jones

    While I understand GH fans gripes about the so called “Llanview Invasion,” I do not sympathize in the least. Under Valentini/Carlivati, One Life to Live was far higher rated than either All My Children (the soap called “marquee soap”) or General Hospital (the network favorite). Whatever the missteps of the previous regimes, it only makes perfect sense for Valentini/Carlivati to attempt to have some of that OLTL Nielsen magic rub off on GH. In this time where the Grim Reaper is circling GH in a very convincing imitation of one of Harry Potter’s Dementors, GH fans displeased with the arrival of the Mannings need to suck it up and get over it if, in the long run, it helps GH stay afloat. And if it doesn’t, at least they tried.

    To that end, the Mannings (and McBain) did not eat GH alive at the expense of Robin’s death, as some are complaining. Yes, they were played heavily for a few episodes, but when GH returned to the aftermath of Robin’s barbecuing, the show hasn’t let up. So far (including today’s show), Robin’s death, funeral and aftermath has taken up the vast majority of 10 — that’s TEN — episodes, affecting the vast majority of the featured players on the canvas. And there is much more to come. In fact, had this much airtime been given to Robin’s demise without the Mannings’ introduction, SOME fans would be complaining about how “long” this whole thing was being “dragged out” and how “depressing” it is and “where is the love in the afternoon???” and yada yada yada.

    Everybody feels their complaints are legitimate, but I think it would behoove many of “the fans” to take a deep breath, try to look at the bigger picture, and stop snorting fire & brimstone at every turn. Frank Valentini & Ron Carlivai have a VERY short period of time to do an enormous amount of work both behind the scenes and in front the camera and without a massive budget. Many “fans” need to start taking that into consideration because when it comes down to it as the clock toward making a final decision if GH will survive or die (even if only for a little while longer), it will not be a question of for whom the cancellation bell will toll, but how loud the ringing in their ears will be.

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    soapfan616

    I’d like to go on record as a fan who is very critical of the direction of GH BUT I am not thrilled that ratings are down. Not when the show is in the guillotine. Not all of us who are critical want this show to fail. It angers me that criticism of GH is being written off as some sort of sour grapes. I would love for the new characters to be written in a way that sucked me into their drama. I’d really love if the new characters from OLTL were not rotating around Sonny’s already expansive orbit. I’d love to NOT have to sit through ANOTHER multiple personalities story that is so laughably written it almost makes me yearn for another mob shoot out.

    But as I’ve said in other posts, it’s not the hurried introduction of new characters that is killing GH right now. It’s the continuation of the Frons’/Phelps/Guza vision of GH as some sort of Sopranos knockoff for non-thinking TV viewers. If ever a show needed reinvention, GH surely did. And right now it’s just getting a make up job to cover up the bleeding scars.

    It’s not rocket science what a good soap needs: Core families and strong women. GH has neither right now. This show especially needs to build up the younger generation of the core families but instead we get 50 year old killers having homoerotic gun play.

    Is it all bad? Of course not. The regime should be applauded for pacing and the ability to bring back the heartfelt scene to a show that terribly lacked any heart. Unfortunately, what moves us is placed directly beside some of the dumbest male d**k wagging scenes ever in the history of GH (and that’s saying a lot). Could the decrease in ratings be a reflection that viewers DIDN’T give a damn about who Sonny’s latest enemy was? While it’s hard to point to one factor when ratings go up or down, how long do these stagnant ratings go on before this regime decides it’s necessary to throw out all of Guza’s trash? (I won’t hold my breath since I just read an interview where this head writer called the Jake storyline “powerful”! what????)

    So I’m not tickled pink that ratings fell. What would be the point? I’m just a concerned long time fan of GH who would like to see it have one last shot at glory before the guillotine falls. I feel the same as I did when Guza was killing off families or parading his sexism across my screen. I feel the same as I did when regulars returned for ratings stunts rather than for great story. It’s just too much of the same when a show needed to be revolutionary to be relevant again.

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    liason4real

    I would expect the GH actors are working their contract guarantees which is why there is still so much Sonny/Carly/Jason/Sam on our screens. Hell, Guza would have had Robin dead at the beginning of an episode and her funeral at the end! There would have been no mention of the character while Patrick was out banging the nearest nurse that looked like his dead wife!

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    jphelps

    I completely agree about Y&R although I am enjoying the show a bit more with more focus on this jack, Nikki, victor, Gen quad and help me I am actually liking Cane and Gen as mother and son. I think Phyllis, nick, Sharon need to go away for a while and while I think the idol chick is not bad, that whole mob story arc just doesn’t seem to fit on Y&R.

    I still am enjoying B&B but yeah give Brooke and ridge something else to do please. I am kind of digging the new twist on Hope and the price she is paying to go against her principles its a nice twist. But the show desperately needs more to focus on than Liam, Hope, and Steffi. I hope this new Spencer and the rumored hookup with JYs Rick is going to happen.

    Days is just anemic to me. Good oversized cast and the storytelling is not only blah but recycled and unsoapy. The positive is Marlena. I have not loved this character in years and Diedre Hall has excelled in a supporting role and yes John Black can leave or get killed off. Another atupid baby story with Rafe, Nicole, and EJ involved boring. Madison, Brady, Ian boring, Alamania ick. And wills story lacks focus. It’s time for DOOL to sart cast cutting IMO and sadly Jennifer and Jack are 2 that need to go amoung others.

    GH where to start. Let me ask the Cartooni apologists. Why do they get a free pass? And who is the consumer. It’s tiresome to hear the apologists blame the consumer for pushing back on a product they don’t like. Did Coke keep New Coke on the market when consumers hated it no.

    And the show having more energy does not equal better. Also give it up FV these male superstars are all played out and boring, that’s Bernard,Burton, Easton, Howarth. If they wanted crossovers, why on earth would you put them in the part of the canvas and in stories that have been played out for years. Yeah because Jason vs Franco was such a success or Sonny vs enemy number 1000, let’s do the same thing yeah that’s the ticket. Crossovers should be used to shore up pArts of the canvas that are weakest. How about Angie and Frankie Hubbard at the hospital as doctors. It’s been a long time since that side of the show had some powerhouse presence, not since the days of Alan, Bobbie, Tony. Jessie as the new cop. Or even David Hayward who actually has a crossover history with Anna as a doctor.

    As for the vet returns and Cartoonis great use of history let’s see
    1. The floating rib wow so Luke renamed Jakes so he can feel less guilt about going to a bar to get drunk.
    2. Robert, Holly hum no need to elaborate
    3. Heather well according to Cartooni she is coming back still obsessed with Luke. Heather has no ties to Luke unless you count that bs rewrite Guza did in 2004
    4. As for Felicia until I actually see how her return is handled I’m not going to praise anything

    About the only good has been Jason Thompson and yes Rick Springfields return which shocking did not get any airtime.

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    Jamey Giddens

    @Jamey: Maybe Douglas’s rules are not so out of date?
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    I still think in some ways they are. It’s a new day. Doug Marland didn’t have to contend with dozens of 13-week cable dramas that are essentially soaps, but can have characters cussing and screwing like people do in real life.

    Doug also made his rules when it was likely for the soap he was writing on to be cancelled, but it would more times than not be replaced by another soap. Like most soap fans, I believe DM was a legend, but I don’t believe his rules or anyone’s for that matter are above reproach. Not everything Doug tried was a ratings success.

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    soapbaby

    I couldn’t agree more with soapfan616, jphelps and loungta on the state of GH.

    I don’t love everything Ron C. writes but that doesn’t mean that I wish for GH to be canceled or that I have no faith in GH improving. Heck, I want GH to improve, survive and thrive but I am not blind to what’s wrong with the show. I LOVED OLTL for many years, but wouldn’t think twice about criticizing it under whatever writing regime (Malone, Passante, Long, Higley.) I both praised and criticized it up until the end! Under RC, OLTL had as many clunkers as great story. The Fraternity Row s/l was incredible but there was The Morasco Fiascos. For every Erika Slezak there was an Andrew Trischitta! Even in it’s final week a near-perfect week was marred with a terrible Wednesday show. RC/FV are a capable writing/production team and should deliver quality all of the time.

    GH is clearly in a fight to survive. I don’t think we should have to wait for a cancellation notice for the writers to get right. If lapsed viewers feel that GH is still largely “business as usual” with unlikeable characters like Sonny, Jason, Carly and Sam frontburnered in uninteresting stories, why should they tune in? OLTL viewers must have found that show to have some likeable characters in likeable stories (i.e. Roxy saving Fraternity Row) because they tuned in even after cancellation. GH needs to show some heart.

    jphelps – Adding Drs. like Angie and/or Frankie Hubbard or even David Hayward, as well as nurses, would go a LONG way in returning GH to it’s core_ the hospital.

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    TV Gord

    LOL! I’d love to see Frankie Hubbard on GH! I’d love it MOSTLY because when he and Tracy were on The City in 1996, Frankie was in his early 20s. When they brought him back to AMC in 2007, he was…STILL in his early 20s. I see a storyline where Tracy stalks Frankie until he reveals where his fountain of youth is!

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    david46208

    @J Bernard Jones: I’m going to counter with something I had discussed with Jamey. Douglas Marland’s rules on “how not wreck a soap” was broken with rule #4:

    “Build new characters slowly. Everyone knows that it takes six months to a year for an audience to care about a new character. Tie them in to existing characters. Don’t shove them down the viewers’ throats.”

    Now I was willing to agree with the fact that if they showed a ratings improvement that maybe Douglas’s rules were outdated. I also know the show does not have 6 month to build them. But the proof is in the pudding. When you introduce characters (even if they they are from another soap) you have to do it slowly.

    Also with GH the timing was off. It would have been better to have waited until after Robin’s death was wrapped up to bring in the Manning’s and when they did they needed to slowly introduce these characters. Not put them in the thick of drama.

    So I see the dip in ratings as not following the rules of soap greats when making changes to a soap and also not giving the GH fans what they wanted when it came to the death of a beloved vet. Yes they wanted days of endless drama surrounding the death like have become use to. No they didn’t get it and they responded in kind with tuning out. So Cartini made a grave mistake and are going to have to work that much harder to come back from this one.

    Not saying that they can’t do it. But this was not best beginning. And i’d rate them a C- minus.

    A Lorraine Brodrick or a Sally Sussman Morina would not have made this mistake. I’m sure of it.

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    loungta

    I don’t think calling die hard GH fans names like “fools” is gonna help. Why are some people so patronizing? :Sp

    I can’t stand Starr so I am very disappointed of the time she has been taking from some of my favorite characters of GH. However hating Dante like crazy, I must confess I am more than happy to FINALLY see a cop liek John Mc Bain joining the PCPD, a cop who will be able to teach a few lessons to that gigantic self absorbed douche that Dante is.
    We need some “good cops” in the PCPD and Dante is not one for sure, Lucky has vanished, Ronnie is probably a serial stripper attacker and Mac always seem to be somwhere else than where he should be. So welcome John. Especially if he can score a few ones against the biggest plague of GH represented by Sonny Corinthos.

    Didn’t like the stupid Todd/Sonny scenes but it is because I can’t stand both characters so their competition about who has the longest one was pretty pathetic to me. Always loved Blair so I am happy to see a Cramer woman.

    All that to say that I have mixed feelings about the OLTL addition. Was pretty pissed off when Johnny was written as if he could possibly almost rape Kate because it showed that Ron didn’t take time to get to know the characters (and showed that Ron is also still obsessed with rape of woman who are not herselves???).
    But I liked the Liason scenes and I always found them boring as hell before.
    So as long as Cartini can BALANCE the show, I am more than ready to give them a chance. But I know several GH fans who came back to watch Robin’s funeral and the vets return and who were very disappointed of how Robert’s character was portrayed and how Robin’s name was not even mentioned three days in a row.
    So they went back to skipping GH. And I think it’s a pity.
    I am pretty convinced that the recent big bump in ratings was more because of old GH fans showing up than because of totally new OLTL fans showing up. I really hope for the sake of the show that I am wrong. Because most of the old GH fans that had stopped watching have not been hooked up again by what they have just seen from what I read on the Internet.

    Work your magic Ron and Frank. Balance the show. Make Sonny pay. But please I beg you, stay true to who the characters are.
    Don’t bring the beloved GH vets for a 6 days stunt while announcing long term contracts for OLTL actors. Balance the new contracts between OLTL and old GH actors (Ric Hearst please please please!!!! I would give 10 Roger H to get the talented Ric Hearst back).

    You need some old GH fans to come back as well as some new OLTL fans. Don’t be exclusive :) Please?

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    david46208

    @Jamey: You know I was thinking that it would have been better to wait till after Robin’s death was wrapped up to introduce the Manning’s. They should have made her death the center of the show and played out every beat with the vets. It should have felt like 1989 or some time around then. Because I have come to know fans like the old style of soap when it comes to dealing with the death of vets.

    So I can see also the point of view of how Ron and Frank were trying to bring in the OLTL fans and make a go for it. But I would suggests they rethink their strategy and make a few tweaks, that will please the die-harder fans and the on-the-fence viewers.

    Then again who knows maybe ABC is setting them up to lose anyways…

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    tori87dec

    I can’t understand why Y&R hasn’t had more Stephen Nichols/Genie Francis scenes together? They brought up back in November that they had a past together but dropped the ball. Genie has had great chemistry with him as Diana on DOOL and again as Laura on GH,why wouldn’t the show take advantage of that. Just look at the videos of them together on YouTube.com. I started to watch Y&R once I knew they were on there together. I loved their love story on GH which the writers ruined to reunite Luke and Laura. What a waste. Stephen is nice with Eileen Davidson but he’d have alot of sparks with Geneieve,come on now:)

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    Jamey Giddens

    @David, I can agree with that re: the waiting to intro the Mannings after Robin’s death, however I know they needed to try to keep Roger, Kassie and Kristen in the ABC family. Maria Bell is flying low over ABC, and Kassie D. had been offered a gig on B&B. I think it was smart to keep those characters alive on GH, and again, this isn’t the first crossover of this kind.

    GH fans came to love Skye as a Quartermaine and she’s an AMC character. Also, re: Marland. His ratings success and/or failures were not judged or etched in stone based on week-to-week ratings. There was no one even doing the kind of thing we do here in discussing ratings week to week. So there’s no way to say following his “rules” would have led to success in this endeavor.

    He co-created Loving, which was never a ratings success. I still believe it’s good to know the rules (which I believe Frank and Ron definitely do), but rules are meant to be broken.

    Hogan Sheffer broke every rule imaginable during his first year or so at ATWT and the ratings spiked. James Reilly never met a rule he wouldn’t break during his first stint on DAYS, and the show became the fifth most profitable series on NBC at the time, in daytime or primetime. Sure, they both followed those successes up with failures, but that’s the nature of the beast.

    I think the basic tenets of character driven story as employed by Agnes, Bill, Doug, Harding stand the test of time, but how you employ them is up for debate. Gloria Monty threw out the entire rule book about soaps that pre-dated her when she took over GH. She modernized the sets. Got rid of organ music (a staple for decades), started telling action adventure stories, whereas before that, soaps had basically been theatrical performances on TV. I guess what I am saying is, if someone had written a “Rules for Successful Soaps” pre-Monty at GH, and she had followed said rules, the show would have been off the air 33 years ago.

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    love2chat

    I think fans have been clear on what they want for years:

    – They have asked for mob not to be front and center
    -They have asked for balance where storyline is concerned
    -They don’t want the same sonny/carly/jason/sam show
    -They want to see sonny pay for his crimes
    -They want to see veterans come back to the show ( nice start with Anna, Robert, but not enough )
    -better plot and storylines
    -Stop having Mac look like the fool or have PCPD win one
    -ROMANCE (REMEMBER LOVE IN THE AFTERNOON ) WITH COUPLES WE CAN GET BEHIND!

    We didn’t ask for OLTL actors but we got them. FINE. They lost their jobs and they need work. IT’S O.K. but those of us who haven’t watch OLTL ( yes, there are many ) see them as completely new characters on screen with no history.

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    J Bernard Jones

    @David, At the risk of being offensive, I sometimes wish some fans would stop sucking Douglas Marland’s d**k. Yes, he was a master of storytelling and his greatest hits are impressive by any stretch of the imagination. But Marland wrote at a time when no one ever thought that the shows he is most famously associated with — General Hospital, As the World Turns, Guiding Light — would ever be cancelled, outlasting you, me, our children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews and their kids. No one then could imagine a day when the entire daytime serial genre would be on the verge of extinction, propped up by maybe one or two shows like the last few birds of an endangered species kept around in a forest preserve in the hope they might one day procreate again. When Marland was crafting stories, there was TIME to write in a character or two with a six month introduction or to play every single beat of a storyline over months, possibly years at a time. No more.

    General Hospital’s fate is down to a few weeks.

    It should also be noted that Marland was NOT the only daytime writer in the history of soap opera. Among Marland’s contemporaries (many of whom were groomed by Irna Phillips), Bill Bell Sr. played out stories for decades, at a snail’s clip that didn’t match Marland’s more emotional/action oriented style. The brilliant Henry Slesar introduced whole sets of characters and stories that played out 3-6-8 months at a time on The Edge of Night, a show that was at the top of the ratings heap during most of its run, until a time slot and later a network change began its long, long ratings slide. And Harding Lemay, who wrote most of Another World’s critical and ratings golden era in the 1970’s, in interviews has nearly sneered at Marland’s rules, obviously noting that there are many ways to write good soap opera.

    Finally, while Marland was a masterful storyteller, he also wrote or oversaw some real stinkers in his day (Shannon’s shrunken head!). Marland was topical and groundbreaking (DID on Guiding Light, Alzheimer’s and introducing daytime’s first out gay character and even AIDS on ATWT), but he was also pre-occupied with the kinds of stories that soap fans NOW seemingly find little tolerance for or abhorrent in daytime: women giving birth to babies they didn’t remember, stalkers, teen girls having sex with older dudes, and — ta da — lots and LOTS of (near) incest (the Snyders being a virtual hotbed of incestual cooties). Soap fans would howl in protest these days, but Marland wrote these themes and stories repeatedly from soap to soap to soap.

    Does this diminish from his stature as one of the great soap architects of all time? Of course not. But let’s not pretend that he was some sort of soap opera Rumplestilskin, sh*tting golden storylines every time he took a potty break.

    Marland’s Rules are a good guide, a good outline but should not be considered a holy tract or bible for soap writers. It is a new day and a new era and Ron Carlivati — who is more like Douglas Marland at his best (and sometimes his worst) than practically any other writer working on soaps today — is doing a good job at GH so far given all the challenges he has to work with and work around.

    The way the Mannings were introduced was JUST FINE and Robin is certainly getting a lot of her due these last 10 days, so I think a lot of this bellyaching now is just crying over spilled milk.

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    RealityCheck 33

    I’ve still got a bad feeling about GH’s chances for continuing. The morons at Disney have destroyed their daytime, so I just don’t think they are very smart. They could decide to come up with a “re-tooled” Revolution or Chew and knock off GH.

    They’ve made poor choices before, they can still do it.

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    david46208

    @J Bernard Jones: Oh I know writers have had their successes and their bust when it comes to storylines. Yet in this case a little more thinking would have been better. Because your first and foremost thought needs to be toward the fans of this show and their chief complaints.

    GH fans have constantly discussed the whole Sonny/Jason eating up the show and obviously the rest of the characters and the vets being pushed the back. I’m sure you get that and don’t disagree.

    Yet the numbers don’t lie here. They tell a tale of what should have been done in this case and was not.

    Now I know you are fan of then Manning’s think they were done just fine. And I don’t necessarily think the Manning’s coming would have been bad. But the way they came in as many have said took away from what the central story should have been. And the timing is the biggest thing.

    So this is a great debate. We’ll see how things pan out.

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    J Bernard Jones

    @David

    Oh I know writers have had their successes and their bust when it comes to storylines. Yet in this case a little more thinking would have been better.

    I think it was thought through just fine.

    Because your first and foremost thought needs to be toward the fans of this show and their chief complaints.

    No. First and foremost, the showrunners and writers need to think about what is best for the shows in terms of story & character within the liberties, constraints, and limitations of their contracts and obligations to the network as far as producing the best quality product they may. They should listen to “the fans” in some cases, but fans should be part of a larger equation, not the sum of it.

    GH fans have constantly discussed the whole Sonny/Jason eating up the show and obviously the rest of the characters and the vets being pushed the back. I’m sure you get that and don’t disagree.

    I agree that *some* GH fans have had this complaint; not all GH fans agree and many of them can’t get enough of Sonny/Jason. Let’s not minimize that a) Sonny & Jason (JaSam and/or Liason) have those fans and b) every “fan” is not on the internet. This gets lost in discussions about what “the fans” want, a term I often put in quotes because there is too much of a tendency for too many people to treat “the fans” as some monolithic block that all think alike, have the same gripes and complaints, who agree in unison about every story, who adore or hate the same characters or actors. This is a notion that needs to be disabused.

    Whatever the writing excesses of the previous regimes, Carvilati & Valentini reign at the helm on air for the last month has been a much more balanced show where many characters are getting far more screentime than they have in a long, long time, despite the presence of Sonny & Jason.

    Yet the numbers don’t lie here. They tell a tale of what should have been done in this case and was not.

    The numbers don’t REALLY tell any such thing. Again, not every fan is on the internet or reads the soap magazines (Soap Opera Weekly wouldn’t be folding if they did) and isn’t privvy to every storyline or episode in advance. Ratings can go up when a show is (subjectively) awful and they can go down when a show is (subjectively) good. Do you think every soap fan suddenly gets on the phone and tells their other soap loving fan “Don’t watch GH today because they aren’t talking about Robin!”? or mass texts go out saying “Stay away from Port Charles because John McBain is in town?”

    Much was made on Twitter and here on DC and other places about how, during the days that Todd (& Starr) confronted Sonny and then when McBain showed up in PC, that Todd Manning & John McBain were “trending” both nationally and, briefly, worldwide. I don’t recall anyone tweeting with the hashtag #WheresRobinsFuneral. The point here is aopparently a lot of people LIKED those scenes & confrontations (which were heavily promoted, too) enough to get those names “trending” but there is not necessarily any causal relation between the ratings dip and what was aired.

    Did you ever consider that there might be other reasons why GH dipped, including that some people might have tuned out BECAUSE of Robin’s onscreen death and not the fact there was a TWO AND A HALF day episode break?

    Now I know you are fan of the Manning’s think they were done just fine.

    What did I write that said that indicated I am “a fan” of the Mannings? I am a fan of the performers; the Mannings I find interesting, but it’s a stretch to claim I am a “fan.” What I AM a fan of is a concerted effort to bring OLTL viewers who weren’t watching GH over to the show in an effort to help save it. We’ll see how that plays out.

    And I don’t necessarily think the Manning’s coming would have been bad. But the way they came in as many have said took away from what the central story should have been. And the timing is the biggest thing.

    That’s what many have said.
    Don’t confuse it with what everyone thinks.

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    Carol2

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]While I understand GH fans gripes about the so called “Llanview Invasion,” I do not sympathize in the least. Under Valentini/Carlivati, One Life to Live was far higher rated than either All My Children (the soap called “marquee soap”) or General Hospital (the network favorite). [/quote]

    OLTL had very uneven ratings for most of Valentini/Carlivati’s time as producer and head writer. They were usually around or below GH or AMC levels, sometimes higher, then they sank in 2009 and 2010. Only in the show’s last year did ratings improve, and even that was fleeting. The improvement was based on going up from their terrible 2010 rating. Those ratings also declined in the show’s last months.

    I’m not sure if higher ratings mean we should support a headwriter or producer. If that’s the case, shouldn’t we be lobbying to get Chuck Pratt back to GH, since his AMC time was highly rated compared to most of ABC Daytime in recent years?

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    Carol2

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]Hogan Sheffer broke every rule imaginable during his first year or so at ATWT and the ratings spiked. James Reilly never met a rule he wouldn’t break during his first stint on DAYS, and the show became the fifth most profitable series on NBC at the time, in daytime or primetime. Sure, they both followed those successes up with failures, but that’s the nature of the beast.[/quote]

    Sheffer’s first year on ATWT had more in common with traditional soap (probably thanks to his co head writer) than anything else he’s done since then. The ratings went up around the time of stories which were umbrella-oriented and which involved characters many people cared about. I’d say the same for Reilly’s first years at DAYS – they heavily focused on complicated relationships between families, and building up the Hortons again. I think only Reilly’s last few years at DAYS were when he started going off the rails.

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    Carol2

    [quote=rlshel1015]i guess that my questiion is “what do the fans really want from GH?” i thought that the sceenes where Todd confronted Sonny were awesome. john’s entrance has certainy shaken things up. the PCPD has always been written as dumb and john is just what they need. i think that we need to give RC time to let his stories settle in before we become so disenchanted with them. i am personally in for the long haul. two months ago i would record GH on my DVR and no watch them for s couple of days or a week. now, i watch the show the day that i record it because i need to see what is going on. i agree that GH is very must see TV right now.[/quote]

    I think the scenes with Todd and Sonny were the type which are based on hype. What will Todd do? What will Todd do? Well…nothing, really. Sonny has been held at gunpoint so many times. Maurice Benard played this like he was reading a grocery list. Roger Howarth shouted the way through. John dozed his way onto the scene and had a random past with Sonny. Why? Why does he need a random past with Sam? So we can hear, “I know you…I know you…” a few dozen times? Did they all go to the same McDonald’s and Sonny threw his coffee cup? Did Sam fleece John out of some change?

    The intelligence of the PCPD won’t make or break the story, because the story has already told us Sonny is not responsible. Besides, I never considered John to be a brain trust at Llanview PD.

    GH already has two leading men who play their roles as emotionally distant and who mostly rely on their female scene partners to do the heavy lifting. Now, with Easton and Howarth, they will have four. And this is at the same time that the women are only shown oncamera if they are having nervous breakdowns.

    I think Ron Carlivati CAN be a wonderful writer. I think the Kish story had some wonderful moments, as did some of Dorian’s takeover of BE, Viki learning about Echo and Charlie, the “cage” scenes with Bess/Tess/Jessica, among other stories. But so far he seems to have only brought the worst of his OLTL, in the roadshow that is pointing and laughing at mentally ill women and waiting for them to start having sex with bad boys.

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    david46208

    @J Bernard Jones:

    “No. First and foremost, the showrunners and writers need to think about what is best for the shows in terms of story & character within the liberties, constraints, and limitations of their contracts and obligations to the network as far as producing the best quality product they may. They should listen to “the fans” in some cases, but fans should be part of a larger equation, not the sum of it.”

    I’ve taken this into account when coming up with my assessment. I realize excesses should not listen to fans all the time. This though was one time they should have. And I stand behind it that this was a mistake. Even with budget constraints and limitations of contracts and obligations one can work around it. Heck James E. Reilly was cut $3 million from Passions he and Liza (EP) knew how to work around it. They wrote out the characters that were least important to the show and something they employed most often was to write more to one set as a money saver. So characters would play out drama in the same living room set for weeks at a time. So there are ways it can be done.

    Even as AMC was coming to a close in its last few months both Agnes and Lorraine played more characters they knew fans wanted to see to help close it out.

    GH needed to focus on Robins death. Because trending on twitter didn’t help things. Sorry but people talking about does nothing if they are not watching. If they are not saying I have got to watch that show, then it was a nice try. The decision I would have made was to move full force with Robin’s death and the fallout and then brought on the Manning’s.
    ———

    “I agree that *some* GH fans have had this complaint; not all GH fans agree and many of them can’t get enough of Sonny/Jason. Let’s not minimize that a) Sonny & Jason (JaSam and/or Liason) have those fans and b) every “fan” is not on the internet. This gets lost in discussions about what “the fans” want, a term I often put in quotes because there is too much of a tendency for too many people to treat “the fans” as some monolithic block that all think alike, have the same gripes and complaints, who agree in unison about every story, who adore or hate the same characters or actors. This is a notion that needs to be disabused.

    Whatever the writing excesses of the previous regimes, Carvilati & Valentini reign at the helm on air for the last month has been a much more balanced show where many characters are getting far more screentime than they have in a long, long time, despite the presence of Sonny & Jason.”

    We actually agree here. Not all fans are monolithic. Yet I believe we could safely come to the assessment more than likely be right that most GH fans would want more balance and stories that are not all centered around Jason and Sonny. I think you would agree with that too.

    I also “hope” that Ron and Frank will ultimately move to balance it out more. I say “hope” because you never know. So i’ll wait and see…
    ———–

    “The numbers don’t REALLY tell any such thing. Again, not every fan is on the internet or reads the soap magazines (Soap Opera Weekly wouldn’t be folding if they did) and isn’t privvy to every storyline or episode in advance. Ratings can go up when a show is (subjectively) awful and they can go down when a show is (subjectively) good. Do you think every soap fan suddenly gets on the phone and tells their other soap loving fan “Don’t watch GH today because they aren’t talking about Robin!”? or mass texts go out saying “Stay away from Port Charles because John McBain is in town?”

    Much was made on Twitter and here on DC and other places about how, during the days that Todd (& Starr) confronted Sonny and then when McBain showed up in PC, that Todd Manning & John McBain were “trending” both nationally and, briefly, worldwide. I don’t recall anyone tweeting with the hashtag #WheresRobinsFuneral. The point here is aopparently a lot of people LIKED those scenes & confrontations (which were heavily promoted, too) enough to get those names “trending” but there is not necessarily any causal relation between the ratings dip and what was aired.”

    I covered this above and will explain more below.
    ————

    “Did you ever consider that there might be other reasons why GH dipped, including that some people might have tuned out BECAUSE of Robin’s onscreen death and not the fact there was a TWO AND A HALF day episode break?”

    Yes I considered all options before coming to my assessment. Still I rest my laurels on if you go back to the basics most fans will follow. This was not done the right way. I’d put my money on my assessment. And if DC took a poll the majority assessment would also be the same.
    ———-

    “What did I write that said that indicated I am “a fan” of the Mannings? I am a fan of the performers; the Mannings I find interesting, but it’s a stretch to claim I am a “fan.” What I AM a fan of is a concerted effort to bring OLTL viewers who weren’t watching GH over to the show in an effort to help save it. We’ll see how that plays out.”

    I stand corrected. And yet my issue here is still “when” they were brought over. Not as much that they were at all.
    ———-

    “That’s what many have said.
    Don’t confuse it with what everyone thinks.”

    I do want to mention the week in question GH aired a full 5 days. So it was not missing any episodes. So they had the home court advantage.

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    Ravennite613

    I am a GH fan who has no issue with OLTL characters coming over to Port Chuck.

    I don’t need everyone on this show to be someone from the past. So with Heather, Anna and Felicia coming back its great because it’s a blend of the old and the new (i.e. Mannings, McBain).

    All I want is good story whether it’s about the mob or the hospital because I understand the fact that they are people who like both, one and sometimes neither.

    In the end…the show is improving and making an effort to showcase an ensemble cast. Do I have everything I want…no but that’s not stopping me from putting all of my support behind a show that I love

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    J Bernard Jones

    I am a GH fan who has no issue with OLTL characters coming over to Port Chuck.

    I don’t need everyone on this show to be someone from the past. So with Heather, Anna and Felicia coming back its great because it’s a blend of the old and the new (i.e. Mannings, McBain).

    All I want is good story whether it’s about the mob or the hospital because I understand the fact that they are people who like both, one and sometimes neither.

    In the end…the show is improving and making an effort to showcase an ensemble cast. Do I have everything I want…no but that’s not stopping me from putting all of my support behind a show that I love

    EVERY syllable of THIS.

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    jphelps

    [quote=Carol2]OLTL had very uneven ratings for most of Valentini/Carlivati’s time as producer and head writer. They were usually around or below GH or AMC levels, sometimes higher, then they sank in 2009 and 2010. Only in the show’s last year did ratings improve, and even that was fleeting. The improvement was based on going up from their terrible 2010 rating. Those ratings also declined in the show’s last monthsI’m not sure if higher ratings mean we should support a headwriter or producer. If that’s the case, shouldn’t we be lobbying to get Chuck Pratt back to GH, since his AMC time was highly rated compared to most of ABC Daytime in recent years?[/quote]

    Bravo Carol. And people need to get their ratings facts straight. First of all as has been said by industry experts, the actual soap actors Total Viewers do not matter. It’s demos. I’m not sure why that’s such a hard concept for folks to accept. By that measurement for the better part of the last 10 years GH beat the other ABC shows in demos consistantly. And in fact for a long time flip flopped with Y&R for the number 1 spot in demos.folks need to check the actual facts and numbers. Up until April 2011, GH was consistantly beating AMC and PLTL in demos and it wasn’t some great demo surge that propelled OLTL it was GH crashing for the most part.

    As for this idea that these male crossovers should be successful, why. I’ve seem this site brag about how primetime soaps are supposedly hot again. Fine if that’s the case name me one centered around middle aged dick wagging mobsters and boring antiheroes. Last time I looked, the good wife, revenge, smash, parenthood, pretty little liars, GCB, etc are all centered around strong women. Dicks are out chicks are in.

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    jphelps

    [quote=TV Gord]I enjoy how people put down the ratings as being inaccurate and obsolete…until they can use them to prove THEIR point! ;-)[/quote]
    You mean like ignoring GH’s ratings were crap for months with OLTL as it’s lead in and just now blaming their dismal ratings on it’s weak lead in when the ratings stunk for GH long before OLTL you know the big bad strong lead in for years.

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    soapster

    I wish some would stop with the poor lead in excuse of the Revolution when GH was experience series low when OLTL was their lead. As far as ratings is concern OLTL character has not helped but I never thougth that they were, people were fooling themselves if they thought that a huge amount of viewers were going to start wathing GH because the Manning’s and John are now on GH. As for the excuse that the Manning had to make their entrance during Robin’s funeral that is bull also, and even if they had to sign the actors before they went somewhere else that does not mean that they need to make a dramatic entrance at this time, they could have waited a week and made the same effect.

    As a old viewer of GH who only returned for the death and the return of the Scorpio’s, wtf. I could care less about OLTL character joining the show what is making me fume is the disrespect to the history of the Scorpio family and all others involved. I don’t even know who Robert was suicide, ditching his daughter’s funeral and then a note, really. This whole story has been badly written it is the acting that has given me moments of satisfaction and for that I would thank them no praise to either Ron or Frank is warranted and no getting the vets to return and then writing for them the way that they did is more of a disservice than anything.

    The lame confortation in the courthouse was a joke, for one nothing was going to happen to Sonny and if he got shot so what it would have been one of a million bullet wounds. How did two men get guns into a courthouse any way please I think I am due smarter writing then this.

    For those enjoying the show and thinking that the saviors have landing good for you, but calling others fools and ungrateful is a bit much. I expect a certain level of entertainment when I watch a show and that is my main and only concern. It is not my job or duty to keep any one associated with the show in employment, that is the life of show business and one of the reasons why they make the amount of money that they do. When you make a concious decision to earn your living in this field being out of work is your biggest reality I wish people would stop trying to guily/blame fans for the shows demise. If this show wants to survive cancellation than give viewers a reason to watch, that simple. My time is extreme important and valuable to me and I am not going to watch a show that gives me no enjoyment just because I don’t want to see it cancelled.

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    TV Gord

    Normally, my position is that no stunts would ever bring back soap viewers who quit their shows, because I don’t think most fans stopped watching because of anything to do with the show. People have stopped watching soaps because life has become too busy, there are too many BETTER things to watch these days and people’s PVRs are already filled with those shows. The people I know who used to be as devoted to soaps as any of us are now no longer even paying attention to find out if their favorites are returning to their old shows. They don’t even think about their soaps anymore, unless it’s to reminisce.

    The reason that I’m making an exception this time with OLTL viewers is that we are still feeling the pangs of losing our show. Since the end of AMC and OLTL, there were now NO soaps that I watch for the first time since the early 70s, when I found The Edge of Night. When I heard some characters were making the move, I thought it was a hopeful sign for GH, because those viewers who were freshly “jonesing” for a soap had a place to go. Obviously, though, the latest ratings seem to show that’s not true.

    So, now I’m back to thinking GH will be cancelled in the next couple of weeks. Nothing’s going to draw new viewers in, and the ones who are left are too few to warrant keeping the show on the air. Why would ABC bother?

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    J Bernard Jones

    “Carol2 wrote:
    OLTL had very uneven ratings for most of Valentini/Carlivati’s time as producer and head writer. They were usually around or below GH or AMC levels, sometimes higher, then they sank in 2009 and 2010. Only in the show’s last year did ratings improve, and even that was fleeting. The improvement was based on going up from their terrible 2010 rating. Those ratings also declined in the show’s last monthsI’m not sure if higher ratings mean we should support a headwriter or producer. If that’s the case, shouldn’t we be lobbying to get Chuck Pratt back to GH, since his AMC time was highly rated compared to most of ABC Daytime in recent years?”

    Bravo Carol. And people need to get their ratings facts straight. First of all as has been said by industry experts, the actual soap actors Total Viewers do not matter. It’s demos. I’m not sure why that’s such a hard concept for folks to accept. By that measurement for the better part of the last 10 years GH beat the other ABC shows in demos consistantly. And in fact for a long time flip flopped with Y&R for the number 1 spot in demos.folks need to check the actual facts and numbers. Up until April 2011, GH was consistantly beating AMC and PLTL in demos and it wasn’t some great demo surge that propelled OLTL it was GH crashing for the most part.

    Then let me clarify, for the obvious point that has apparently beenmissed: when one looks at the ratings from the NETWORK perspective — not “the fans,” not the soap press, not blogs — tv series ratings are judged not unlike how the movie studios judge star power or how record companies decide to invest in artists: they are only as good as their latest hits/sales/ratings.

    Thus this history lesson is flawed NOT in the facts you present (they are true) but miss the the OBVIOUS point that history does not decide decision making. If it did, As the World Turns and Guiding Light would still be on the air and General Hospital would not be in danger because they were, as some point in their in their history number one shows. And yet here we are.

    Networks look at the most recent ratings data, how it trends and how that affects advertising rates, among other factors. (Sidebar: just about everyone knows that 18-34 is what advertisers care most about, but it is not always what NETWORKS care about. For example, The Good Wife was mentioned earlier as a show with strong female leads, but according to recent ratings data The Good Wife (along with NBC’s Harry’s Law) skews older than any series on ALL network television. CBS keeps renewing it because a) it is a “prestige” show with lots of critical acclaim, awards and buzz, b) they want to be in the Julianna Marguiles business, and c) its audience is very wealthy compared to the audiences of other shows and thus attracts prestige advertisers who are willing to pay higher ad rates. There was no accident CBS moved the show to Sunday nights, one of the most watched – and lucrative – of the broadcast week. End sidebar.) Therefore, let’s be CLEAR about OLTL’s ratings in this context:

    No matter what OLTL’s historic ratings vis a vis the rest of the ABC daytime lineup or compared to other shows or the entire daytime landscape, the fact of the matter is that OLTL was a higher rated series (and mostly critically applauded) by almost every measure in aggregate than either All My Children or General Hospital at the time of OLTL’s cancellation. Period. Thus ABC’s decision to bring Valentini and, later, Carlivati had a number of layers: they needed a budget cutter and financial manager for a reportedly grossly over budget series (Valentini) and a writer who could, hopefully, rub some of the OLTL ratings magic off on the show.

    Why is this important? Because ABC is making several bets all at once. Unlike NBC, which simply systematically cancelled soap after soap over a number of years until it pared down it’s serial lineup to just one or CBS, which which wholesale knocked out 50% of its entire daytime lineup (which it didn’t own), ABC actually owns/ed the soap(s) in its stable. Depsite cancelling both OLTL & AMC simultaneously, ABC is taking a staggered approach with its Timeslot Gladiator Approach to who will inherit the 2pm EST time slot formerly occupied by OLTL.

    That ratings battle is going on RIGHT NOW. Not based on OLTL’s ratings history or on Gloria Monty’s first reign at the top. It is a week to week brawl between The Revolution & GH, with Katie Couric peeking from behind the curtains on the sidelines. So, let’s not confuse nor conflate what is REALLY going on: ABC may very well still want out of the soap business, but they need to see how GH performs under Valentini/Carlivati – whose post cancellation OLTL ratings rose and MAINTAINED its position more or less to the very end – in terms of households and 18-34 versus The Revolution, which it is safe to say isn’t doing well by any stretch of the imagination.

    That is why The Valentini/Carlivati Experiment matters TODAY, not how OLTL performed prior to its last sustained ratings rise.

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    Carol2

    [quote=TV Gord]Normally, my position is that no stunts would ever bring back soap viewers who quit their shows, because I don’t think most fans stopped watching because of anything to do with the show. People have stopped watching soaps because life has become too busy, there are too many BETTER things to watch these days and people’s PVRs are already filled with those shows. The people I know who used to be as devoted to soaps as any of us are now no longer even paying attention to find out if their favorites are returning to their old shows. They don’t even think about their soaps anymore, unless it’s to reminisce.[/quote]

    I think most of TV is crap, aside from a few primetime shows (which are themselves often overrated and fawned over more for cool points – like Mad Men – than for their overall quality). I think that most of those who were devoted to soaps were run off by soaps. I have no idea why anyone who isn’t a white, straight, socially conservative man would watch a soap today, if they hadn’t been invested in soaps a long time ago.

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    Danny Ricci

    ARGH!!!

    If I hear one more complaint about how the Scorpios history is being disrespected, how Doug Marland’s rules are being broken, how GH has no good storylines, and how it’s still the Sonny & Jason show, I will start a freaking petition to bring freaking BOB GUZA back. See how you like GH then. Someone said it above. On his version of the show, Robin’s funeral would be done on the same show as her death. THE VERY NEXT DAY, Carly would be coming on to Patrick. THE DAY AFTER, they’d be getting married. You want that back GH fans? Fine. I’m all for it. If you want to ruin the soap genre, be my guest. But don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    *end rant*

    Okay. Now that I’ve gotten that off my chest, I feel Frank & Ron are doing a tremendous job. In many ways, though, I see a parallel to the 2012 Presidential Election. The incumbent is facing a tremendous charge by the opposition to make a gaffe of his every move. But the opposition were the ones that caused the problems that he had to make the moves to fix in the first place. Frank & Ron, just like Obama, are patching holes caused by the previous leader. It’s all they can do at the moment. There are just so many of them, It’s hard to do. I can’t say it loud enough, or enough times. Give Frank & Ron a chance. Please. It’s the only hope we have.

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    miztee246

    Forever21, I am glad that someone shares my view about the OLTL characters. I was not an OLTL viewer, so I cannot invest in the Llanview characters for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, Roger Manning does not do a thing for me, however, John McBain does. Sorry, Roger Howarth’s maddening mix of psychopathy/sociopathy does not work. The only purpose Todd served was to strike fear in Sonny. Sadly, TPTB seem compelled to include Sonny in McBain’s backstory, but that may work. McBain should be able to strike fear in Sonny far more effectively, if McBain goes back to the FBI or joins the PCPD.

    While I don’t dislike Blair, it is unlikely that Blair and Carly will actually form a friendship. Carly is the resident bitch in Port Charles and frankly, I love to hate Laura Wright’s Carly because Laura has it down. Her predecessors made Carly totally unlikeable–unfortunately, the writers are heading down that path again where Carly will be detestible.

    ITA regarding Starr Manning. They should find another love interest for Michael, if that is what they are attempting with Starr.

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    Carol2

    [quote=Danny Ricci]ARGH!!!If I hear one more complaint about how the Scorpios history is being disrespected, how Doug Marland’s rules are being broken, how GH has no good storylines, and how it’s still the Sonny & Jason show, I will start a freaking petition to bring freaking BOB GUZA back. See how you like GH then. [/quote]

    Considering Ron is using Guza’s history, even when it should have been abandoned, and continues to showcase Guza’s type of storytelling (the same story he told with Sonny about 3 or 4 times), I’m not sure why it’s either/or. Guza would probably be proud of that awful return for Robert.

    I don’t think criticizing Ron’s work means you want Guza back. I think they are both great examples of the worst of soap writing in regards to how not to write leading men and female characters, and how not to pace stories. I felt that way even when many in the soap press were continually heaping praise on Guza, long after GH was destroyed.

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    LuluFF

    [quote=Danny Ricci]ARGH!!!

    If I hear one more complaint about how the Scorpios history is being disrespected, how Doug Marland’s rules are being broken, how GH has no good storylines, and how it’s still the Sonny & Jason show, I will start a freaking petition to bring freaking BOB GUZA back. See how you like GH then. Someone said it above. On his version of the show, Robin’s funeral would be done on the same show as her death. THE VERY NEXT DAY, Carly would be coming on to Patrick. THE DAY AFTER, they’d be getting married. You want that back GH fans? Fine. I’m all for it. If you want to ruin the soap genre, be my guest. But don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    *end rant*

    Okay. Now that I’ve gotten that off my chest, I feel Frank & Ron are doing a tremendous job. In many ways, though, I see a parallel to the 2012 Presidential Election. The incumbent is facing a tremendous charge by the opposition to make a gaffe of his every move. But the opposition were the ones that caused the problems that he had to make the moves to fix in the first place. Frank & Ron, just like Obama, are patching holes caused by the previous leader. It’s all they can do at the moment. There are just so many of them, It’s hard to do. I can’t say it loud enough, or enough times. Give Frank & Ron a chance. Please. It’s the only hope we have.[/quote]

    It is Bullsh%T like this that pisses GH fans off. Frank & Ron are NOT doing a tremendous job because THEY F%^KED up Robin’s death and DID disrespect the Scorpio history.ONLY OLTL fans think they are doing a good job.And we have every right to complain so please feel free to petition to get BG back because he can’t f%^K up any more then RC/FV.
    The big difference between GH & OLTL is GH has better actors.
    TIIC should be focusing on GH ONLY actors/characters and NOT CRAP from OLTL.That is why the ratings went down.Because there was too much focus on the OLTL CRAP with their dumb characters and BAD actors rather then REAL GH history.

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    flyhigh5

    [quote=Myst Stied]I think it should’ve been more Scorpio focus, and Robert should have been written in character,which he wasn’t, after TR’s fantastic performance at the morgue it went downhill after that, longtime fans would have stayed if they had kept him and wrote him true to character, given the fact that on the day TR/Robert returned on air, which was (Feb 29th) was the highest day of the week, which garner a (2.0) and so far everybody else that has either returned or debuted hadn’t got that. The week of Tristan Rogers and Emma Samms return were a great week in the demos too.[/quote]

    I agree. I am not a soap writer. I own the fact that I am a whiny fan. But, as someone who was addicted to GH in its Robert/Holly/Duke/Anna heyday, I was intrigued by what Robin’s exit story would bring. It was sad to see such a beloved character go, but it meant the return of my past favs – Robert, Anna, Holly – grieving for her, being on my screen once again together. And I was also curious about the RC and FV greatness that I was hearing about. Writers that knew about GH history and would pay tribute to it – especially in Robin’s exit.

    Well, my returning favs were hardly together. And, although some years have past, I can tell you, the characters on my screen weren’t at all the characters I once loved. Who were these people?

    I get that soap writers need to think about the future, set up possible plot points, go for the unexpected. But, when a character that has been part of the show’s canvas for 27 years is leaving – and it’s being promised that once beloved characters are coming back for her exit, I think the writers should have given once-loyal fans more of what WAS expected. They didn’t. No way Robert blows off Robin’s funeral to chase after his supposed son Ethan. None.

    I applaud RC and FV for trying to right this ship and attract fans from unfairly dismissed soaps. But, IMO, they missed a huge opportunity to attract back once loyal fans who are desperate to see their fav characters back in action, mixing it up with today’s established characters. Until that happens, I unfortunately am not interested.

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    soapster

    [quote=Danny Ricci]ARGH!!!

    If I hear one more complaint about how the Scorpios history is being disrespected, how Doug Marland’s rules are being broken, how GH has no good storylines, and how it’s still the Sonny & Jason show, I will start a freaking petition to bring freaking BOB GUZA back. See how you like GH then. Someone said it above. On his version of the show, Robin’s funeral would be done on the same show as her death. THE VERY NEXT DAY, Carly would be coming on to Patrick. THE DAY AFTER, they’d be getting married. You want that back GH fans? Fine. I’m all for it. If you want to ruin the soap genre, be my guest. But don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    *end rant*

    Okay. Now that I’ve gotten that off my chest, I feel Frank & Ron are doing a tremendous job. In many ways, though, I see a parallel to the 2012 Presidential Election. The incumbent is facing a tremendous charge by the opposition to make a gaffe of his every move. But the opposition were the ones that caused the problems that he had to make the moves to fix in the first place. Frank & Ron, just like Obama, are patching holes caused by the previous leader. It’s all they can do at the moment. There are just so many of them, It’s hard to do. I can’t say it loud enough, or enough times. Give Frank & Ron a chance. Please. It’s the only hope we have.[/quote]

    Ron and Frank has a chance they failed, they can’t redo Robin’s story and it was the shits. So yeah I am going to complain about it although there are some who like to throw praise on these two no matter what. This is about fixing what was wasn’t working Robin’s death/funeral was all them and their so call knowledge of GH history is feeble at best Anna and Luke are not old friends/close friends or anything of the sort, they just meet a couple of years ago and shared an adventure and a few drinks and that sly comment about Anna marrying a Mob Boss was completely wrong.

    For the record renaming Jake’s the Floating Rib does not deserve kudos it is as if Ron pull some obscure memory out of his arse. This isn’t Trivia Pursuit.

    You like what is happening good for you, enjoy it to the upmost but don’t be condescending towards those pointing out fault

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    JasonMorganIsAHottie

    I’m sure there were some old school GH fans that tuned in when they heard Robert and Anna were returning. IMHO, I think the Robert/suicide reaction of Robin’s death was a bit OOC for him. Did that part turn some old time fans away? Perhaps. Perhaps his return only to depart so quickly turned viewers back away. I’m happy Anna is remaining and the uptick in story. Not so crazy of her story with Luke as I feel he’s so far irredeamable, he’s taking space for someone I’d rather see like Mac. Loved, LOVED Patrick’s story and his grief; LOVED Noah’s return. LOVED the Liason grief over Jake’s death anniversary story. I like the spreading around of the Robin’s death umbrella story but see a long ways to go for things in general to get better. I like the daily cliffhangers and nods to history. I’m trying to adapt to the OLTL influx. Not minding the McBain entrance. Overall the show’s more watchable than the Fruza nightmare. I’m going to continue watching.

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    john2124

    Did any bother to read the articles about the vets returns? They are trying to save the show and are fixing the stories that were wrote before they came. I am loving GH right now. Sonny is not in mobile activity accept vs Johnny and Anthony. That is a long cry away from the way it use to be a few years back. I know this may be mean, but if you hate GH so much stop watching it lol or apply for a job as a breakdown writer. Smh some of the people on here are doing more harm than good. I hope the people making the decision don’t read some of these post. Loving the strong Liz we have now.

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    tori87dec

    I find the character of Lauren very boring. I don’t see any chemistry romantically with her and Tucker. Stephen Nichols should be with Genie Francis (now that’s a pair that would light up the screen). Such pairing of great actors aren’t used and that’s such a waste. I started watching to see Genie and Stephen interact in something but so far nothing and how sad. If something doesn’t develope soon,I’m out of here. Bring back Stefan and Laura(Stephen & Genie) to General Hospital and I’ll tune in there,that would be wonderful!!

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