DC #672: Making End of Show Moves



On today’s Daytime Confidential podcast Luke Kerr, Jamey Giddens, Jillian Bowe and Melodie Aikels discuss the latest in The Bold and the Beautiful, Days of Our Lives, General Hospital and The Young and the Restless storylines and headlines, including:

Will sleeping with Victor (Eric Braeden) destroy the character of Sharon (Sharon Case)? Can she be redeemed afterwards? What’s the difference between Guiding Light’s Reva Shayne (Kim Zimmer) and Y&R’s Sharon? Aaron Lustig returns to Y&R as Dr. Tim Reid.  Is The Young and the Restless making end of show moves? 

Sonny (Maurice Benard) pulls a gun on Johnny (Brandon Barash), after catching him in bed with Connie (Kelly Sullivan). Is it time for soap fans to relax about deplorable characters on soaps?  Kate Howard needs a drastic wardrobe improvement.  Maxie (Jen Lilley) trial begins. Is it time for Ned Ashton (Wally Kurth) to return to Port Charles?
  
Bill Spencer (Don Diamont) manipulates Hope (Kim Matula) and Liam (Scott Clifton) at Aspen Fashion Week.  Is the Hope, Liam and Steffy (Jacqueline MacInnes Wood) triangle growing old? 

Days of Our Lives casts Pretty Little Liars’ Brandt Daugherty in a guest role opposite Will (Chandler Massey).  Is DAYS like a comic book? Which characters need to return to Salem? What does DAYS need to do to get on stable footing? 

All this and much more on today’s Daytime Confidential podcast!

 


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Restless Fan's picture
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I agree with your comments regarding Y&R. Especially the feeling about Maria Bell and why she even has a head writing job. She is riding on the coat tails of the family she married into. She has zero qualifications to be any soaps HW and/or EP. It baffles me every time I hear actors on the show praise her. I can only think it's because of retaliation. She has single handily destroyed this show by writing poor characterizations. She knows zero about how to write compelling three dimensional character. Her stories are often bottom of the barrel and lack soul. She has no idea how to get intimate with the audience that took this show to number 1. She is a cancer to this show. Why the Bell family lets her get away with it is beyond my comprehension. I know there are a lot of people who are responsible for putting this show together on a daily basis but this woman has adamantly said time and again that this is her show so I BLAME HER!!! She needs to go...YESTERDAY!!! If this show gets its cancellation notice in the next couple of years that moment will fall directly on her. She sucks!!

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I think that MAB and her family is simply trying to get 'bang' for their salary buck. In other words, they think they are already paying Sharon Case, already paying Eric Braden -- let's hook them up. Like on B&B.

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THANK YOU ALL FOR FINALLY SAYING THE STUFF ABOUT B&B!!!

That's my biggest problem with B&B. You go back and watch this show from 87-03 and it was on fire majority of the time. Then compare today's show and it's A HOT MESS! B&B has gotten by a lot because it's ok but it's VERY far from GREAT! The Hope/Liam/Steffy triangle in my opinion can never be compared to Taylor/Ridge/Brooke. The T/R/B triangle just had so many more psychological layers to it. I'm just not invested in H/L/S and it's crazy that these kids have taken over this show. It annoys me.

Do you all remember that even though Eric Forrester III now known as Little D, wasn't Rick's actual son he still actually cared for him. Brooke still looked at him as her grandson. She put this kid in her will which caused The Forresters to oust her as CEO of Forrester! It was great soap! Sigh the good old days.

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The character of Sharon was ruined years ago with her jumping into the sack with Adam, and if you go back even further when the actress almost didn't resign to the show and the character of Sharon kissed Victor and then ran away for a year. None of that story was truly explained even though a pyscho came back and was eventually killed whom Sharon had slept with. I think that the character has been ruined even further with being made head of a cosmetics division when all she ever did was sell cosmetics as a spokesperson and has no discernible education or on the job training WHATSOEVER to run even her household. (Before anyone gets upset, Sharon can have a job but to RUN a multi million dollar division of a MULTI billion dollar corporation is as laughable as Genivieve buying BofN.)

Days is a cartoon other than anything with Marlena and Will. That is the only story set in reality, although the conversation between Bo and Hope in the cabin about Bo being in a coma, seeing his son, Zack and not wanting to come back was a really good example of when good writing happens to good actors and emotions are real. Now if only they could do that on the other stories and lend some reality to them the show would be great but that's like 80% overhaul of this show. Wishful thinking as long as Stefano is around and EJ is mayor.

B&B is verging on a thin line between juicy drama and sick perversion. Bill spending so much time worrying about his sudden son's sex life, Brooke promoting the end of virginity and Liam oogling his present wife while oogling his present live in lover is just not drama anyone really wants. WIth an enormous cast of talented professionals you would think this show would have 4 or 5 different storylines going on at once and each being played out 2-3 times a week and drawing in the audience. But every day is Hope and Liam and Steffy and an entire cast worried about who is going to win a guy who can't even make up his mind let alone slip a condom on to make sure that Steffy doesn't get pregnant. (Please people, we know that this is the next step in this triangle!!!)

As for GH, I don't think the audience needs to relax about deplorable characters on soaps because we want what we want and violence and guns on daytime is not that! Everyone on GH has access to one and it doesn't drive story it just makes you say WHAT?!!! (Seriously, Starr is her father's daughter so if GH wants to make her exact revenge than have her do it with her wits and not a firearm. Remember how the young Starr used to go around an sarcastically call people out, bring that character back. Have her team up with her father to bring Sonny down but in a business fashion not a GUN BATTLE!!!)

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Smitty wrote:
That's my biggest problem with B&B. You go back and watch this show from 87-03 and it was on fire majority of the time. Then compare today's show and it's A HOT MESS! B&B has gotten by a lot because it's ok but it's VERY far from GREAT! The Hope/Liam/Steffy triangle in my opinion can never be compared to Taylor/Ridge/Brooke. The T/R/B triangle just had so many more psychological layers to it. I'm just not invested in H/L/S and it's crazy that these kids have taken over this show. It annoys me.

Brad Bell just shouldn't be the main writer/producer. I actually think the show hasn't been the same since about 1995 - that's when I felt they began slipping off the track and you got pointless, disgusting stories like Jessica's rape, and the beginnings of the weird social issue plots dropped after a month (Brad's trademark apparently - this started with Lilly Melgar and George Alvarez as the illegal immigrants, then Taylor being burned in a fire and being scarred for about two weeks, Rick shooting Grant because of violent video games).

I lost interest in the show at this point, and then it seemed to really go to hell in the early 00's. I think it's improved in the last year, due to better use of Amber, and a long overdue sidelining of Ridge, Brooke, and Taylor, but it still has a long way to go.

What they are missing is the heartwarming, brassy, comic scrappers, what the Spectras used to be. $ Bill, the pimp and misogynist, and his sycophants like Justin/Katie, don't come close.

The show also needs more and better young leading men. Rick is in limbo and Thomas is asexual. Even if you give him Queer as Folk stories, I just don't think he'd sell it.

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B&B: This show just needs three things. 1.) More balance; 2.) Stop these story repeats and 3.) Let your characters grow up. The cast is good! The people are all talented ... they just need to be used better. Man, this show is set in freakin' L.A. You could tell so many good storylines. Specially being set in the fashion world. Brad Bell should learn how to use the city he's living in. You want to attract younger viewers? Then stop acting like it's still 1987 and you can pull the same crap on the younger generation that once worked for Caroline-Taylor/Ridge/Brooke.

Y&R: Eric Braeden and Sharon Case must hate this storyline as much as the viewers do. They both seemed pretty uncomfortable the first "fake" time around ... can't expect to be better now. And yeah, Sharon and Victor as a couple is just GROSS!!!!
Maria Arena Bell is at the point where she thinks she can get away with everything. I never saw a showrunner more incapable and arrogant as her. SOMEONE STOP THIS MAD WOMAN ALREADY!!!! PLEASE!!!!

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I agree with the "end of show moves" speculation. What's next Y&R--sex with dead animals?

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Oh wait never mind. They are doing that already with Victor/Sharon.

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I haven't heard the podcast yet, but I think the comparison of Sharon to Reva is one that I hadn't thought about...and it is a good one. Here is where I fall on the topic. I didn't see Reva when she was married to their father, but I did see her with Billy and with Josh. I can honestly say that in both circumstances, she loved them and they loved her. I not only saw love, but saw respect over time. Yes, there was drama, and anger, but since the relationships were solid, there was always love in the background.

With Sharon, on the other hand, I don't see that same foundation. Sharon looked at Victor as a father, and if they wanted to play the daddy issues beat, they should have done it a long time ago. To see something now from them makes no sense. I am also one of those people that never bought Shadam as a love story. I never saw Sharon run to Adam in the beginning. She ran from Nick. So when the kidnapping reveal happened, I never understood Sharon's struggle. After that point, I stopped watching so I don't know what has happened since then..so I will focus on the foundation. At its core, Sharon was with Adam because Nick was elsewhere. At its core, Adam enjoyed using his relationship to piss Nick off. None of that screamed love to me. Without that foundation, Sharon is just a convenient mattress, which destroys the character, IMO.

As far the B&B triangle, my opinion is the same. I am an old school Brookie (I don't watch anymore). I saw genuine love between Brooke and Ridge. Even though I didn't like the couple, I saw genuine love between Ridge and Taylor. He loved both women, in different ways, and for different reasons. IIRC, his flip flopping really got bad when Stephanie had her heart attack and Ridge left Brooke for Taylor. Then left Taylor with the first convenient excuse possible. It marred the history of the triangle. This Hope/Liam/Steffy doesn't have the same foundation. When I watched, Liam and Hope's love was just flourishing, then Steffy offered the possibility of sex and a triangle ensued? Yeah...that's about when I stopped watching.

Regardless of what is happening now, there was no foundation in the beginning. And that is why I lost interest.

These writers are writing like the show will be cancelled next year. Now they may think that, but it shouldn't reflect in the writing. They are no longer meticulous or indepth in their story telling.

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pjc722 wrote:
I'm sorry but as much as I enjoy the discussions of DAYTIME TV I just did not like this episode with the guy who took over the episode and spoke and spoke and spoke and screeched and screeched! The language was not necessary and some of what he said was disgusting. Bring the level of intelligence up by not talking about some of the things thrown in!!

I'm thankful that you rewrote your post and that your new post can be actually read as a respectful criticism/review of this episode.

While I do understand what you mean, I don't mind Jamey using this type of language. We all know he's very passionate about this industry and talks about these sort of things like we all think about them. This podcast is hosted by soap fans who let us know there own opinion on things. I wouldn't judge them on their choice of words. But that's me.

As for Jamey, I'm thankful for very episode of the DC podcast he's on. I'm always interested in what he has to say about certain things. And if someone like Maria Arena Bell can write a "love story" for Sharon with her former father-in-law you may as well drop the F bomb, because it doesn't get anymore disgusting than that. I could even go so far that the current state of Y&R deserves the F bomb!

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Just finished listening to the Podcast (had to listen in bits and pieces this time) and ICAM about those End of Show Moves that Y&R appears to be perpetrating. Can't say I'm a regular watcher of Y&R anymore but just reading the storylines, show updates and spoilers keeps me informed about the state of the show and it is sadly reminiscent of the last few years of GL and ATWT.

The Y&R storyline between Sharon and Victor is atrocious. Unfortunately, I think that MAB is a totally lost cause. She is probably relishing all the talk (even though it is permeated with disgust) about the show. She probably believes that there is no such thing as bad publicity and thinks that everyone who talks about this hideous storyline will tune in. She can count me out! I want no part of her illusion that she can just shovel these sh*tty stories and people will have to take it. Either she is as arrogant as hell or she is purposely tanking this show for Sony.

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Obviously, Y&R's brainless Sharon is not being written with half the heart and intelligence that GL's Reva Shayne was. It must also be said that Victor Newman is not even half the man HB Lewis was.

When they were at their best, the P&G soaps were never flashy. They invested in building characters that we could relate to.

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It's Sunday so I got to say a big AMEN to Jamey's comments about B&B! I've been waiting for someone to step up and admit how hokey,unbearable and just plain PLAYED OUT this Hope/Liam/Steffy triangle is! Nothing at all against the young talented actors playing the parts-they are trying real hard to make something out of the bs storylines they get.But I swear if B&B writers don't make this end I'm going to lose.my.mind.

Why can't Bell tell more than 1 story at a time? Why is it the older people on the show stop having a their own lives just because they're not 20-30 yrs.old? I WANT to see my faves like Taylor have her own life, as well as Brooke,Ridge,Bill etc. It's a shame what Bell is doing here.

People keep saying he "learned to write from his Dad" REALLY? Because I can't tell judging by the crap he's putting out now? This writing is a lazy, inconsistent and weak mess. It's insulting for a long-time viewer to have to digest everyday and Bell should feel ashamed for giving us cold fish sticks to eat instead of the juicy steaks we really deserve in the form of storylines!

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thecourt99 wrote:

Even though I didn't like the couple, I saw genuine love between Ridge and Taylor. He loved both women, in different ways, and for different reasons. IIRC, his flip flopping really got bad when Stephanie had her heart attack and Ridge left Brooke for Taylor.

I'm with you, the Taylor/Ridge/Brooke triangle had some layers and real
depth and you could feel that Ridge truly loved both women for different reasons in different ways.He had strong history with both. I'm sorry, but even the Katie/Bill/Steffy triangle (that had a little more history/build up to it) was better than this Hope/Liam/Steffy thing they have going on now.It needs to stop.Seriously.