HomeTVGeneral HospitalGeneral Hospital: Perkie’s Observations Perkie June 5, 2012 General Hospital 78 Comments Heather tries to save Tea’s baby, but tells Todd that she’s done all she can, that the baby is gone because he wasn’t born strong enough. Todd wonders what he’ll tell Tea, since he’s already killed her husband. She was looking forward to the baby. He wonders what he’s going to do. Heather tells him to use his ingenuity and find a way out. She heads off to deal with Anthony’s body. Todd holds the dead baby and talks to him. Sam thinks something is wrong with the baby and wonders why John hasn’t returned. She decides she can’t wait for him any longer and heads out to get help. Sam wanders around in the woods and comes across the shed, leaves the baby in a planter outside, walks in and promptly passes out. Todd sees Sam, hears her baby whimpering and finds him outside. Tea’s talking to heavenly Victor, asking him to protect their son and that she knew something was wrong right away. She knows Todd will save him. She decides not to stay in the car and heads out, looking for Todd. Jason shows up at the motel looking for Sam. Thinking she’s in her room, tells her through the door that the baby is part of her. John comes to and heads back to the motel to find Sam. Jason finds John’s room in disarray and finds Sam’s figurine. John shows up and tells him that he’s too late, that Sam had a baby boy and he delivered it. Jason asks where Sam and the baby are. John explains that he went to get the car and was jumped by Jason’s goons. He says she couldn’t have gotten very far on her own. Jason goes to check and comes back saying there is no sign of her. John wonders what’s changed, since Jason didn’t want anything to do with the baby. Jason says he came to talk to Sam and that he needs to find her and his son. Johnny finds Carly at the hotel and the two talk things through. Carly explains how she talked Jason into forgiving Sam and that she needs to take her own advice. Carly says she’s been a cheater and always regrets it, but that she was angry and hurt. Johnny asks if she can get past it and swears it was all about revenge. Carly says she can try to forgive, but that there can be no more lies, not even ones of omission or for her own good. Johnny says there’s something she needs to know. He imagines telling her that he killed Anthony, caused the accident and that Carly freaks. He imagines her calling him a heartless bastard. So instead, he says Anthony is missing and thinks Lacey killed him. Carly thinks Anthony just took off on his own, since she can’t believe Luke would kill him. Johnny explains about shots fired at the Qs and police finding the blood. Johnny promises to make things up to Carly and she accepts that, but warns him not to make her regret it. Johnny wants to seal it with a kiss. Tea comes across Todd holding baby Morgan and thinks it’s her child and takes him from Todd. Heather returns and is surprised to see the baby alive. She explains that she breathed life into him. Tea thanks her for saving her son and sits bonding with the baby. Heather wonders why Todd isn’t happier, but he takes her into the shed where Sam is lying and explains that it’s her baby and not Tea’s. Heather tells Todd that JaSam aren’t together anymore. She says Sam was likely abandoning her baby and to let Tea think the baby is hers. Todd insists he can’t do that. He asks what they would tell Sam about her baby. Heather says to give Sam, Tea’s dead baby, since Sam wanted her baby gone anyway. Todd swears he would never do that to someone, but Heather feels everyone would be better off. She says she’ll take care of Sam and to take Tea to the hospital. Todd swears neither mother can know the truth. He goes to Tea and they coo over the baby before heading off to the hospital. Heather mutters that Sam is getting exactly what she deserves. 78 Responses Perkie June 5, 2012 where exactly is this motel located? In the middle of the woods? You’d think that would be bad for business. Was there no one else there, like a desk clerk that Sam could have gotten to help her? She has to wander off? And then she leaves the baby outside while she goes inside? What is this??? I just feel a baby switch could have been written better. I spent the entire time shaking my head thinking what the hell. Plus, JOhn saw the baby, if he runs into Tea, he’s bound to notice her baby looks awfully familiar. I am not looking forward to how Sam will react to this, although I’m sure KeMO will bring her A game to it. There’d better be a ton of scenes with her being comforted by Alexis and not the idiot she’s married to. I was shocked when Johnny confessed to Carly. Totally didn’t see that coming. But I thought it was interesting because I wondered if Carly would turn him in or keep quiet. Than it turned out it was just his thoughts and not reality and I’m disapointed because it means their reunion will be short lived, since he’s lying so much his pants are on fire. Log in to Reply curacaoman June 5, 2012 Regurgitated plot driven drivel, full of plotholes to boot. Will the crapfest ever end? Log in to Reply The_Moustache June 5, 2012 didn’t the spoiler say that Tea’s baby is actually alive??? what’s the deal with that?? are they going to resolve this before the show goes off the air early next year or what?? it’d be mean if they ended the show with Tea keeping Sam’s baby. Log in to Reply soapjunkie88 June 5, 2012 What a cheesy, campy, plot-driven mess this show has become. After Anthony’s murder wasn’t near being realistic we now have this stupid baby switch??? I was shaking my head too and can not believe that this show has become a complete joke. The baby switch wasn’t done good. It was awfully set up and had plot-driven scream all over it. That Sam can be even near Heather, who’s supposed to be in the middle of nowhere to bury a corpse is so stupid. Don’t even want to talk about Johnny/Carly. It’s just sad that it’s all set up to fail and you can see where this story is going. Big disappointment. -.- Log in to Reply sallyv June 5, 2012 [quote=Perkie]where exactly is this motel located? In the middle of the woods? You’d think that would be bad for business. Was there no one else there, like a desk clerk that Sam could have gotten to help her? She has to wander off? And then she leaves the baby outside while she goes inside? What is this??? I just feel a baby switch could have been written better. I spent the entire time shaking my head thinking what the hell.[/quote] Perkie, I was going to write the exact same thing. How did everyone end up in the woods? Especially Sam since she was walking? When they first showed her wandering down the country road I just about threw the remote at the TV. What kind of bull-$#!t writing is this? In fact the entire episode, except for Carly and Johnny was FF material…and even that is sad because we all know how that is going to turn out. I’m hoping against hope, per the preview for Tuedsays show, that Todd comes clean to Tea and this horrible mess will be over. Then Sam can tell Jason to go shove it up his and seek comfort from her family…and even John. Well, a girl can hope can’t she? I keep telling myself to quit watching this hot mess, and maybe one of these days I will. But I still keep on thinking that it will get better. How dumb is that?!?!? Log in to Reply TV Gord June 5, 2012 I hope this storyline keeps Todd and Heather in close proximity to each other, because I enjoyed their scenes. They make quite a pair! And that Téa! She sure can’t catch a break! What is about her that attracts homicidal maniacs!? First, she was mixed up with Todd, then it was Victor! Now she’s got the Son of Sam! Log in to Reply The_Moustache June 5, 2012 it’s too bad Anthony is dead. he and Heather could’ve been Port Charles’ (loony) power couple. Log in to Reply js3557 June 5, 2012 I’m having trouble feeling sympathy for Sam. It seems like karma that she have her baby kidnapped. After she watched Jake get kidnapped, went to Liz and said he was probably dead, and then refused to help Liz find Jake with her stupid tv show, I think it’s poetic justice. The switch itself was stupid. The ride or die chick heads into the woods on a rainy night with a newborn only wrapped in a scarf and then leaves him in a plant box outside in the cold? WTF? I guess the lesson on how not to expose your newborn child to the elements was in one of the child birth classes that she missed. How did Sam not hear Jason’s conversation with her door? It’s a cheesy motel with soundproof rooms? Weird. What happened to Johnny? The Johnny that I love would never frame Lulu’s father for murder. THis is just another part of the character destruction of Johnny. Are they trying to ruin him so no one cares when they fire him? Log in to Reply Ravennite613 June 5, 2012 Please for the love of all things holy..WHY?!?! Even I don’t want to watch Sam have to think for even a second that she lost a second child at birth. When my hubby can figure out a plot on a soap scene for scene before it happens then the writing has more holes than swiss cheese. I don’t mind soapy goodness but don’t insult my intelligence. I think I might have been ok if the switch was implied and I didn’t actually have to watch it. I liked Todd and Heather..I was almost waiting for Heather to kick Sam while she was unconscious. Well at least GH has moved from putting your baby in a tree to a planter box. Log in to Reply online June 5, 2012 Sam leaves the baby (son of Sam *snickers*)outside, in a planter box, in the cold–yeah, that just screams “mother of the year.” I never really saw her as mother material, but I did wonder if her maternal instincts would kick in at some point during the pregnancy–guess not. On a side note, what the hell is wrong with these writers? Didn’t RC fire all but two of the GH writers and replace them mostly with writers from OLTL; and I was a huge OLTL fan BEFORE my hatred of all things Starr, but this is ridiculous. Log in to Reply kintex June 5, 2012 Tea came to PC only to lose her child? Instead of calling 911, Sam decides to leave a motel room that has a landline and front desk services and she goes out walking in the rain looking for John? Since all roads in PC lead to that shack, Sam walks to the same shack, decides to place her baby in a wet & dirty planter’s box? Tea spent the last months on OLTL mourning Victor, and now she is going to bond with a child that isn’t hers, only to mourn again once she finds out the truth. Even if Tea’s child is resurrected, RC did the same story with Starr and Jessica. If he had to do another baby switch he could have tweaked it by keeping both babies alive from the beginning. Log in to Reply TV Gord June 5, 2012 Soaps love killin’ babies almost as much as they love rapin’ women! Log in to Reply kintex June 5, 2012 [quote=TV Gord] And that Téa! She sure can’t catch a break! What is about her that attracts homicidal maniacs!? First, she was mixed up with Todd, then it was Victor! Now she’s got the Son of Sam! ;-)[/quote] Log in to Reply mipeony June 5, 2012 Well if she would’ve stayed in the motel room and her child would’ve died from not getting any air everyone would be complaining all about how she didn’t love her child enough to leave and get help. If she would’ve taken the baby in with her to the shed, she would’ve fallen with the baby in her arms and everyone would be all about how rotten she was for falling and passing out while holding her baby and how the baby could’ve been killed because of her. Hell, I loved me some Robin, but even Sam knew not to shove her baby up in a tree. Sam had to go the way she went so the be all to end all original recipe rapist sent over to save this show and the crazy loon of a super bitch could pull off this switch. Is it smart? Nope. Could any of us have written it better? Probably yep. But it is what it is. Super Jase and McBain bonding in the motel room after noticing Sam was gone and neither of them thought to go after Sam right away? Weird. Jason calling the “your baby” his own after he found out she had a boy? Completely stupid. Todd letting yet another woman think her baby had died? I guess he’s learned nothing since giving away his own son ages ago and then watching his own daughter mourn the loss of hers. Sure he felt bad for Tea, but again, it is what it is. I did like McBain’s line about how Jason didn’t want the baby. McBain soaking wet in the rain was kind of hot, but it only lasted for a few seconds. I hope Alexis gives Jason some mighty hell soon. I’ve been waiting for her to have a mama bear moment. Let her show Jason some of that Cassadine crazy she’s got buried in her. Log in to Reply Scout June 5, 2012 I think Sam is just there to stall the inevitable McBain/Jason hookup. Log in to Reply thecourt99 June 5, 2012 I watched this episode in shock….and not in a good way. There were WAYYYY too many plot contrivances for this to make any sense. Sam didn’t know she was going to fall out, so why leave the baby outside in a storm as she goes inside? She’s warm and the baby is cold? All that screaming from Tea and Todd and they were within walking distance of a motel? What kind of motel doesn’t have a front desk? At a minimum, act like the viewers are smart. Have someone pick up the phone and say that the landline phones are down. Have someone knock on the door, and the front desk dude is out to lunch. Knock on a couple of other doors to see if anyone else is staying there. It doesn’t take too much time…but ooooh, if Sam made too much noise then Jason might have heard her. We can’t have that. We can’t have Jason help her. It doesn’t fit the narrative. Jason always has to be too late. Why invest in Johnny and Carly when he starts off lying to her again? Carly was better off with Shawn. Tea didn’t really see her child, but Sam saw hers and so did McBain. How is this really going to last any length of time? Log in to Reply js3557 June 5, 2012 Actually, I would not have had a problem with Sam staying in the motel where it was safe and warm. By the way, is this the only motel in the country without a fire alarm she could pull to get firefighters there? We know at least one road to the motel was open because Jason arrived just fine. She also could have gone door to door looking for another resident of the motel to drive her to the hospital, or are she and McBain supposed to be the only ones staying at the motel? There were many options that didn’t include leaving the motel and wondering into the woods. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 June 5, 2012 thecourt wrote “Sam didn’t know she was going to fall out, so why leave the baby outside in a storm as she goes inside? She’s warm and the baby is cold?” This statement for so many reasons…is filled with Win. Can’t wait to hear the spin on that Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY June 5, 2012 OK- So I didn’t watch OLTL so I don’t know Todd or Tea.. I want Tea to give my girl her baby back. But here is the thing- whats up with Todd?? First he not only takes Sam’s baby but then he leaves her with a women who is clearly crazy carting a dead body around. On top of that the crazy lady knows Sam and doesn’t like her because she is giving the baby away. He didn’t even call 911 after he got cell service.. Is he totally evil or what? His acting style reminds me of Clock Work Orange. Poor Sam- as far as I am concerned if you don’t like her no matter what she does isn’t going to be right. I firgured she set the baby down because she didn’t have energy left from blood loss. I think she just wanted to see who was there. I adored the way she kept saying baby this baby that. However her poor long maternity dress was about to trip her now that she doesn’t have a tummy.. Log in to Reply Carol2 June 5, 2012 For all the talk of the wonderful new personality Sam will have thanks to John, the storylines for Sam remain the same. She is a) depressed b ) broken c) subservient to the men in her life. This will be all about Jason and John and how they cope with their woman and her issues. Sam is now in the exact same role all of John’s harem were in on OLTL – they were each weak, damaged, and constantly having issues about babies or miscarriages. I haven’t had any respect for Carly in a long time but that is now LESS than zero since she took back a man she was calling a rapist only weeks ago. She is disgusting. And so is Ron Carlivati’s handling of rape on his soaps. Log in to Reply The_Moustache June 5, 2012 well, John McBain certainly has a type. that’s for damn sure. Log in to Reply soapbaby June 5, 2012 Robin Mattson is great to watch. Put her with Roger Howarth and it was awesome. I FFWDed everything else. I cannot stand Carly treating her casual relationship with Johnny as something that can overcome the fact he raped a mentally-ill woman (Carly named what Johnny did to Kate/Kate RAPE to his face!) There are so many holes in the plots on GH. As a soap fan, I can look past ridiculous and contrived if the story is good but the stories aren’t good on GH so I am focused on the plot holes, like the geography of Port Charles and how everyone can travel/call safely unless they were delivering babies! I thought McBain and Sam were boarding above Kelly’s. Jason hiring thugs (who of course have to be Black and Hispanic) to beat John when it could only be traced back to him or Sonny is senseless. Jason is the hired thug! That’s supposed to intimidate McBain into leaving town? Why not just have him killed? Worst is that Jason will not suffer consequences for this crime which directly resulted in McBain being unable to get Sam and her baby to a hospital! I wonder if Sam will make the connection. Also, Sam McCall is on five days a week and supposed to be the show’s lead female character. Even if one doesn’t like her, its nearly impossible to watch GH and not have thoughts on her and what she does. I have never liked Sam McCall because she is such a propped-up and poorly developed character. Since she’s not going anywhere can she atleast not be frontburnered in depressing story? She is incredibly unsympathetic, yet is on my screen crying about trauma continuously. I am supposed to feel sympathy for her but I only feel irritation in her every scene (admittedly, save a few times when she has flirted with McBain.) Sam’s unreasonably dumb and dangerous behavior, like roaming through the woods with her naked baby in the cold and rain. Seriously?!. I dread watching her mourn another dead baby and not registering an ounce of sympathy for this forced character. Where’s Patrick, Liz, Anna and Mac? These characters are incredibly watchable and yet never seen. Argh. As a former OLTL fan, I just imagined this episode was an epilogue of OLTL and the GH players were supporting. It helped me invest in the “baby-switch” storyline. Then I became sad because I thought about Blair, Viki, Dorian (and I am ashamed to admit Dani) and what they were up to and how they would respond to Tea’s baby boy Log in to Reply thecourt99 June 5, 2012 [quote=JASAMMABBY] Poor Sam- as far as I am concerned if you don’t like her no matter what she does isn’t going to be right. I firgured she set the baby down because she didn’t have energy left from blood loss. I think she just wanted to see who was there. I adored the way she kept saying baby this baby that. However her poor long maternity dress was about to trip her now that she doesn’t have a tummy..[/quote] Eve if she didn’t have energy left, why put the baby down outside in the middle of a storm, right next to a door that leads inside. Even if she was just looking, why put the baby down outside while it is storming? If she had held the baby and passed out inside with the baby in her arms, I wouldn’t question it. And while I am not a fan of Sam, my beef isn’t with Sam in this one. It is with the overall plot based pile of crap that was this entire episode. It was insulting, because I don’t think that Sam would EVER do that. Log in to Reply Tris Drake June 5, 2012 This story has more holes than Sams uteras. But Heather and Todd will make me watch! Log in to Reply JasonMorganIsAHottie June 5, 2012 OMG what a terrible Sam/baby switch storyline. Really? Putting a baby in a planter, writers? Not since Robin put Emma in a tree has a plot line been so craptastic, and I’m a Liz fan. Sam is smarter than than this writing, IMO. Ain’t no way Sam woulda put that baby down after waiting so long to have one again. Log in to Reply giogio June 5, 2012 OK TVGORD – I hit the floor. Son of Sam!!!!!! Ohhhhhh Log in to Reply soapfan616 June 5, 2012 [quote=Carol2]For all the talk of the wonderful new personality Sam will have thanks to John, the storylines for Sam remain the same. She is a) depressed b ) broken c) subservient to the men in her life. This will be all about Jason and John and how they cope with their woman and her issues. Sam is now in the exact same role all of John’s harem were in on OLTL – they were each weak, damaged, and constantly having issues about babies or miscarriages. I haven’t had any respect for Carly in a long time but that is now LESS than zero since she took back a man she was calling a rapist only weeks ago. She is disgusting. And so is Ron Carlivati’s handling of rape on his soaps.[/quote] ****** Amen to every word of this! Log in to Reply soapfan616 June 5, 2012 Thanks Perkie. Your summations and insights are better than anything on GH. It’s sad that GH has to go off the air like this but I appreciate having this forum to connect with fellow disgruntled fans. Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY June 5, 2012 The only other thing I noticed with the “storm” was that it didn’t seem to be raining anymore. I am a West Coast girl but have been in a few East Coast humid storms. I felt like when I was watching it at that point it wasn’t raining anymore and may have been warmer. I was just curious about other people staying at the hotel. I know the land lines were down but I wasn’t sure why she didn’t knock on any doors. I guess that didn’t look like a hotel a lot of doctors stay at I don’t know.. However they were just all lame plot points for me. Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY June 5, 2012 Carol2 wrote: For all the talk of the wonderful new personality Sam will have thanks to John, the storylines for Sam remain the same. She is a) depressed b ) broken c) subservient to the men in her life. This will be all about Jason and John and how they cope with their woman and her issues. Sam is now in the exact same role all of John’s harem were in on OLTL – they were each weak, damaged, and constantly having issues about babies or miscarriages. I haven’t had any respect for Carly in a long time but that is now LESS than zero since she took back a man she was calling a rapist only weeks ago. She is disgusting. And so is Ron Carlivati’s handling of rape on his soaps. ****** Amen to every word of this! OMG- No other character do I despise more. I am always baffled when people talk smack about Alexis or Liz’s parenting. I never see Carly with the kids she cares and fight for so much. WTH was she going to the hotel at night in a storm. Go tuck your baby in! She should have let Jax have her. But I have always felt Alexis only loved Kristina and she only loves Michael.. Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY June 5, 2012 Carol2 wrote: For all the talk of the wonderful new personality Sam will have thanks to John, the storylines for Sam remain the same. She is a) depressed b ) broken c) subservient to the men in her life. This will be all about Jason and John and how they cope with their woman and her issues. Sam is now in the exact same role all of John’s harem were in on OLTL – they were each weak, damaged, and constantly having issues about babies or miscarriages. I haven’t had any respect for Carly in a long time but that is now LESS than zero since she took back a man she was calling a rapist only weeks ago. She is disgusting. And so is Ron Carlivati’s handling of rape on his soaps. ****** Amen to every word of this! OMG- No other character do I despise more. I am always baffled when people talk smack about Alexis or Liz’s parenting. I never see Carly with the kids she cares and fight for so much. WTH was she going to the hotel at night in a storm. Go tuck your baby in! She should have let Jax have her. But I have always felt Alexis only loved Kristina and she only loves Michael.. Log in to Reply Perkie June 5, 2012 Sam haters will say she put the baby down outside because she’s a terrible mother who shouldn’t have a child. Sam lovers will say she was suffering blood loss and exhausted. I say, why did it have to written this way? If they were desperate for a baby switch story, (and really, aren’t we all ), why write it and execute it like this. They have Sam fretting over the baby’s breathing, yet the baby they’re using looks perfectly healthy, too much so considering he’s about a month premature. She tells him to talk to her and he coos and she still begs him to make a sound. He just did. Why didn’t they edit that out? Why couldn’t they have both women give birth as they did, with the partners they had, then bring them both to the hospital and have the switch happen there. Nurses are understaffed and overworked because of the storm and someone mixes up the arm bands. Or, if Heather has to be involved, she switches the wrist bands once they’re at the hospital. It still gives them they’re baby switch, but it doesn’t make Todd even more of a douchebag than he already is and it doesn’t force Sam to behave like a ninny. Log in to Reply pjc722 June 5, 2012 Hilarious SON OF SAM!!! Seriously, I know too many mothers and NOT ONE OF THEM WOULD EVER EVER LEAVE THEIR NEW BORNS OUTSIDE A SHED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS or for that matter let someone take their child away from them in the MIDDLE OF THE ROAD!!! This story was written in such a ridiculous way that it begs for the fans to throw away logic and just forget about everything. Sam has been staying in a motel on the outskirts… way way outskirts … of town where also John McBain has been staying? That’s the only logical conclusion for why Sam would collapse in an abandoned shed in the middle of the woods. And Tea gives birth on the same night not far from her and allows Todd to walk away with the baby ONLY TO SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS come across a live new born baby while carrying a dead baby in his arms?! SERIOUSLY?! Now I am not a fan of this baby switch storyline because it has been done before and not very well, at that, on other soaps. It’s so not original. But I would have bought it a bit if both children were born in, let’s say THE HOSPITAL that this show is set around, and Heather, who is under the supervision of her Doctor son, came across Sam’s baby in the nursey and switched the kids. There is no reason why one child had to die so soon after Starr’s kid died. IT’S JUST TOO OVERLY DRAMATIC and ridiculous. The poor fact that both Todd and Heather were in the same area at the same time while 2 characters who are both pregnant go into labor at the same time and are BOTH TOO EXHAUSTED to notice that their kid has been taken from them?!!! Great writing, new Regime. Carolyn Hinsey must be out there promoting you for a daytime emmy award for this schluck story. Log in to Reply thecourt99 June 5, 2012 [quote=Perkie] They have Sam fretting over the baby’s breathing, yet the baby they’re using looks perfectly healthy, too much so considering he’s about a month premature. She tells him to talk to her and he coos and she still begs him to make a sound. He just did. Why didn’t they edit that out? [/quote] I noticed this too. The baby was making all kinds of sounds while Sam was begging the baby to talk. It just was all over the place. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 June 5, 2012 [quote=Perkie]Sam haters will say she put the baby down outside because she’s a terrible mother who shouldn’t have a child. Sam lovers will say she was suffering blood loss and exhausted. I say, why did it have to written this way? If they were desperate for a baby switch story, (and really, aren’t we all ), why write it and execute it like this. They have Sam fretting over the baby’s breathing, yet the baby they’re using looks perfectly healthy, too much so considering he’s about a month premature. She tells him to talk to her and he coos and she still begs him to make a sound. He just did. Why didn’t they edit that out? Why couldn’t they have both women give birth as they did, with the partners they had, then bring them both to the hospital and have the switch happen there. Nurses are understaffed and overworked because of the storm and someone mixes up the arm bands. Or, if Heather has to be involved, she switches the wrist bands once they’re at the hospital. It still gives them they’re baby switch, but it doesn’t make Todd even more of a douchebag than he already is and it doesn’t force Sam to behave like a ninny. [/quote] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ see every word was a shoot it while giving birth, wrap it in a blanket leave in a tree and slam a shovel upside your head kind of post Log in to Reply gato1 June 5, 2012 Ugh I cant watch anymore if Teas baby is dead. Log in to Reply GHteenybopper June 5, 2012 What is it with soap writers and their misogyny? I saw the switch coming, as an OLTL viewer I feel really bad for Tea, and I wanted Tea and Victor to have their baby I don’t see Todd doing this. I don’t like that RC writes the characters OOC to suit his stupid ass storylines…..With that being said, this episode made Sam look REALLY REALLY REALLY STUPID, and made it seem as RC thinks the viewers are perhaps as stupid as she is. I mean, no hotel/motel clerks, no neighbors that Sam could ask for assistance, then she leaves her newborn naked baby outside instead in the midst of a storm instead of taking him inside…and she’s supposed to be this smart ride or die P.I chick…HAH! I hate that they’re going with CarJohn instead of Sharly, especially after Carly called Johnny and rightfully so a rapist, because he is. I don’t like this. However I’m going to continue to watch because all though there are a crap load of craptastic holes onscreen, it’s watchable to me as I’m waiting to see how things will actually play out. Log in to Reply sassysdreams June 5, 2012 I am totally and thoroughly DISGUSTED with the new regime!!! :Sp :Sp Log in to Reply maxsmom June 5, 2012 said this on another thread but OneLife once did a great storyline featuring a baby switch that reverberated for years, this story is sad and wrong on so many levels.. RC has killed 2 OneLife babies(both Mannings) in 6 months? I hated Starr having a baby and didnt want Victor to live on with a baby(though I love Sam Manning) but I hate the unnecessary deaths of both babies. Tea should have had the larger baby. There are some seriously life like baby dolls on the market that could have been used to represent the baby we never saw because whatever they used did not look like a baby. The reason I prefer RH’s Todd is his remorse was always clear to me, so I dont buy his part in these shenanigans. Of course, I cant judge any of the participants in this storyline because it is all so ridiculous. I have had 2 children under such different circumstances that each one might have happened to a different woman,that said, I have never felt that I could go beyond my hospital room in those 1st few hours, and both times I gave birth at one of the best hospitals in NYC(shout out to New York Presbyterian)rather than a bus stop or motel room. I agree that this switch if we had to have it could have been done in the hospital with both women having complications and both babies ending up in neonatal and the bracelets which are applied immediately falling off and the nurse guesses wrong. Of course in my version neither baby has to die. Log in to Reply Scout June 5, 2012 [quote=sassysdreams]I am totally and thoroughly DISGUSTED with the new regime!!! :Sp :Sp[/quote] They’re still better than Guza, just not by much. Log in to Reply liason4real June 5, 2012 Elizabeth and Tea had to lose their children just so that Sam could have a baby? We’re now up to three dead children in one year! WTF? Log in to Reply arielade June 5, 2012 maxsmom you make such a great point! I gave birth to my first in January, and in those first few hours I couldn’t have imagined getting up out of my bed, even if someone had a gun pointed at me. Most people don’t even understand that delivering the baby isn’t the last step of labor and delivery. Hello placenta!?! This whole entire story is ridiculous preposterous CRAP. This story MUST have been written by people who don’t have kids or something. Misogynist, childless, hack writers. I am so disappointed and so ANGRY about this storyline. I was SO excited when RC et. al took over. I really thought GH would be turned around. I don’t usually get this upset about soap stories. I am usually just thankful to still have my stories to watch, but this baby switch seems so unnecessary and needlessly painful. My life is stressful and I look to my soaps to escape. This is not the kind of escapism I need. Log in to Reply maxsmom June 5, 2012 I loved Drs. Angie Hubbard and Cliff Warner’s romance so much that when it was aborted I swore off AMC. It would be a few years before I completely quit, but I did follow Peter Bergman to Y&R, which competed against the 1st half hour of AMC. I bring this up because each AMC character was part of a supercouple and surely there are those who didnt love them together as much as I did or at all so this is a long winded way of saying: I dont see a great romance between Carly and Johnny. I didnt even buy it as a hookup but to stretch flirting and a night together into a romance that needs the decimation of Johnny’s character to breakup, I just dont see it. I also dont see Carly forgiving Johnny’s crime against Kate based on her having cheated on Jax. The “romance” just doesnt feel organic. Log in to Reply maxsmom June 5, 2012 arielade, I am still laughing as I type this, “gun to my head” Log in to Reply loungta June 6, 2012 [quote=thecourt99]Why invest in Johnny and Carly when he starts off lying to her again? Carly was better off with Shawn.[/quote] The real question would be “Why invest in Johnny an Carly when it is so obvious that CarTini wants Carly with that rapist/jerk/kidnapper Todd and did all they could to ruin Johnny in order to achieve their agenda” Too bad their plan was so obvious and Johnny was written so OOC that CarTini got major angst at this…. Carly and Johnny were so great together. At least they had chemistry. So much more than the boring Shawn and Carly. Shawn was a thug and a mercenary who helped the Blakan targetting women like Brenda and Sam and who beat Johnny almost to death but after that played as if he was better than Johnny and anybody else. I am African American but I want to see characters like Justus back not the horrible Shawn, a mix of Jason “the good mobster” and Dante “Mr Knows It All”. And it was obvious also that Laura Wright was not interested by Carly being in a pairing that never got any voice at SID, SOD or other couple poll when CarJohn scored high as soon as they started together. I am so mad at CarTini for the way they are destroying Johnny. So disrespectful to the faithful viewers who all know Johnny would NEVER act like that. But when I see the mess they are creating with this stupid baby switch, the DID stuffs, the rapes everywhere, I tell myself, how could I have be happy when I heard that CarTini were joining the show? By destroying Johnny to pimp stupid characters like Starr or Todd, they are just going to make me stop watching GH when I have not missed one show in almost 30 years. I am sorry that OLTL was cancelled because it didn’t deserve it but I am pissed that the last months of GH have to be centered on OLTL characters when AMC and OLTL both got their own ending WITHOUT any intruders. The only transplant I like is Mc Bain because he makes Dante look like a fool and has good chem with Sam. AND PERKIE, THANKS FOR PUTTING MY RIC BACK AS SEXY AS EVER, TEAM REXIS FOREVER!!!!! Log in to Reply Tris Drake June 6, 2012 I too live on the east coast. 4 tornado warnings when this mess started. If they want to go this route make it good. Todd and Heather crying had me! When he said he hated Victor but never Tea it was a wrap. I cried like a bitch. Log in to Reply Perkie June 6, 2012 [quote; ravennite]slam a shovel upside your head [/quote] LOL!!! I really have to start using that sentence in my every day life, just to keep myself entertained!! [quote; loungta]AND PERKIE, THANKS FOR PUTTING MY RIC BACK AS SEXY AS EVER, TEAM REXIS FOREVER![/quote] I gave Robin her due and it was time to bring the eye candy back!! Log in to Reply otalia4ever June 6, 2012 Hey, is this dejvu? This storyline played out on Y&R. Log in to Reply soapfan5 June 6, 2012 People, lighten up! It is a soap opera. Yes, there are plot holes and it is far-fetched but the show overall has been highly entertaining. Need I remind all of you of the sorry shape that this show was in less than 6 months ago? It was a dark, dreary, humorless and repetitious drag of a show centering on Sonny and the mob and had been for many years under JFP and BG. Since Frank and Ron took over, it has been funny, fast paced, and suspenseful and reminds me of it’s glory years in the 80’s. Let’s focus on the positive: Anna Devane, a resurrected Luke Spencer, Tracy, Heather, Todd, Tea, John, Mac, Felicia. For the first time in years, I am watching and enjoying the show every day. Log in to Reply TV Gord June 6, 2012 Thank you, soapfan5. It was starting to feel as though a lot of the people writing here were new to soap operas! Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin June 6, 2012 mipeony THANK YOU….were it not for your post I might want to scream. JaSambaby I also agree with you. Perkie I would also agree with your statement that it didnt have to be written this way. Are there no tell motels that dont have desk clerks? Ive never been to one but I thought we were suppose to believe that all the way back to when ronnie was able to get sam and lulu out of the hotel bound and gagged so obviously and no one saw. How did the thugs get johns limp and beaten body out without the cleark seeing? yet didnt john say he was going to the non existent clerk? it makes my head spin but what they should have done was had sam stop at an empty desk, look for a clerk, find no one and then go on. As for sam leaving, hello folks if all the cells are down what does knocking on other peoples doors get you unless those people happen to be doctors. She was going to the road not knowing the road was down. the plot hole for me was why she didnt go for her own car. DUMB writing. If the writers had SHOWN us that she was ALREADY woozy (and im assuming she was given that she passed out not long after, given maxmoms description of her experiences and given some of the spoilers ive read – then off us a throw away line back in the room that she felt she didnt dare drive) then we would have gotten that she had consciously considered that and ruled it out for a logical reason. As Jasamb wrote, I too thought the rain had subsided at that point she put the baby in the planter since it didnt look like it was still raining when tea and john were walking around, there was an eave i thought and its now june, it would have been warm, plus the baby was swaddled. had she gone inside the baby would have been on a flat floor or a flat table – less ideal than the planter IMHO and just as dirty. I also had this thought during the epi – as I listened to heathers hateful line about karma and sam deserving what she was getting all i could think was wow what a crazy you know what to say such vile disturbing things… then I thought but hmmm ive read stuff like that being said on boards about sam sometimes even right here at dc. I wonder if any posters see themselves in heather and think gosh I sound JUST like a mentally deranged serial killer, maybe, just MAYBE thats NOT so good. Maybe what im saying is a little hateful, because no body DESERVES to have their child die let alone have their SECOND child die through ZERO fault of their own. HMMMM Personally I would have THOUGHT that maybe, just MAYBE that would have registered but NOPE I log in today and some posts read JUST like heathers rant. SMDH. I just would have thought that seeing ones words mirrored by a character like Heather might give someone pause(and dont get me wrong I love that heathers around to shake things up and RM has long been a favorite of mine, but lets face it shes done just about ever vile thing in the book dating back to the ice tea with diana taylor) I just cant imagine someone saying oh Liz got what she deserved losing jake because she was careless and because she enabled lukes drinking or oh carly deserved to miscarry her first child with sonny because of what she did to aj with michael or sonny deserved for lily and his child to die in the car bomb because of all the crimes he committed or bobbie deserved to lose bj for having given carly away or felicia deserved to lose georgie for abandoning her daughters. Just the thought of those words turns my stomach. And while I would guess that one might get away with saying something like that about sonny I doubt that you could about the other characters – certainly not Liz or bobbie – but for some reason around here it seems like sam is fair game. I guess if it makes you happy to see this character suffer even more than she already has, more power to you, but Im hard pressed to think of a character that has lost more than sam. I would have thought by now the haters had their pound of proverbial flesh. And for the record, again, jake and victor jr. did NOT die so that jasam could have a baby. thats just the way that guza and cartini chose to write it. jasam could have had their baby either way. In fact, we dont EVEN know that Victor Jr. is dead, we ONLY know that crazy beyotch heather told Todd I dont know anything about babies Manning that the baby was dead. For all we know heather is part of some plot with allison, momma manning, helena and faison and having victors son is a great way to control him. Victors son may have been on the rings radar and maybe allison was going to go after him when tea returned to llanview but fate dropped him in heathers lap. Maybe heather will give the baby something to make it look dead and it gets revived in the basement. Certainly if jake and hope could be alive, victor junior could be alive. Hell I would buy VJ being alive way more than jake and yet some of the same people who insist that jake is alive even without his kidneys are already pronouncing VJ dead and blaming sam for it – hmmm agenda much. Log in to Reply js3557 June 6, 2012 I wrote that it is karma and poetic justice that Sam’s baby was kidnapped. I never said that I wanted the baby to be kidnapped and I never wished her baby dead. I just can’t bring myself to feel sorry for her when she never showed an ounce of sympathy to Liz. If that makes me sound like a deranged serial killer, oh well. Even deranged serial killers can be right every now and then. And Jake’s death did make way for the Jasam baby. Jason was against having his own child because of “the danger”. TPTB decided to kill Jake with a car to prove that mob life is okay for a baby (talk about deranged thinking). It wasn’t until after Jake was run down that Jason and Sam decided that it was a-okay to have a baby. So, yes, they did kill Jake in order to give Jasam a baby. Otherwise they couldn’t explain how it was too dangerous to be with Jake, but okay for the Jasam baby. It’s too bad that the miracle wedding and baby never brought in the amazing ratings that Frons promised (heavy sarcasm here). It was all (the end of Liason, Jasam reuniting, and the Jasam baby) Fron’s mandate. He admitted it, actors have admitted it, and Guza admitted it. Log in to Reply The_Moustache June 6, 2012 @soapfan5 R U “ACMallett” or something?? Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin June 6, 2012 Hey if you are comfortable with the deranged serial killer’s shoe, then by all means wear it. I never wish bad stuff to happen to liz, I just wish for her to be backburnered and fortunately for me I seem to have gotten my wish (although like I said I dont mind her supporting patrick, she seems to remember how to act in scenes with JT, he seems to bring out the best in people he works with because hes so talented and I find that she does less of that hand on the hip head rolling snarkabrow bug eye stuff with him that i find so annoying) When bad stuff happens to her I have sympathy for the character – guess I am the anti-heather – in that I never wanted her to lose Jake for her role in breaking up JaSam in the first place. As for the danger stuff, they could have written jake ALMOST dying, they could have written Aiden, cam or Joss dying or they could have just written Sam as just really wanting a baby and insisting that while Liz could not protect a child in jasons dangerous world, sam has a different skill set and with the right modifications to their lifestyle (ie bodyguards and secured cars) they could protect the child. Given that, Jake did not HAVE to die. that said, I am glad to hear a liason FF finally ADMIT that jake is in fact D.E.A.D. DEAD and not off with franco or aj or heather or in some secret cave with helena and it was actually his clone who was raised from birth and was just held on hand waiting for jake to get run over and then they ran over the clone in exactly the same fashion and made a switch. um yeah, no, jake is in fact sadly dead – organs donated, not coming back from the dead unless we get some preposterous, time travel, please ron dont go there, silly nonsense that makes soaps the butt of jokes on chelsea handler storyline DEAD. So for that, JS, THANK YOU. Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY June 6, 2012 EET :love: As always love your post- and thanks for saving me typing time!! I am curious if all the people who think Heather is a hoot would still love her if tomorrow she threw Liz in a well Lisa Niles style. You know cause she is Steven Lars sister and Heather is straight uber crazy.. Or kidnapped Joss because Carly wouldn’t rent her a room.. I still can’t get a feeling on Tod because I still can’t believe he left Sam with her after stealing her baby.. Again all on the word of lady pushing around a dead body.. Log in to Reply TV Gord June 6, 2012 Some people can love Heather no matter what, because she’s fictional. It’s okay to enjoy evil people when they’re fictional. It’s cathartic. Log in to Reply maxsmom June 6, 2012 JS, #52,washed dried and dressed in Win! Log in to Reply sassysdreams June 6, 2012 [quote=js3557]If that makes me sound like a deranged serial killer, oh well.[/quote] Truer words have never been spoken. You really should be careful throwing around the karma word as it certainly does apply to your girl losing her son as well. Log in to Reply sassysdreams June 6, 2012 EET – :beer: :love: :love: :love: Log in to Reply edenpark June 6, 2012 [quote=EricasEvilTwin] I just cant imagine someone saying oh Liz got what she deserved losing jake because she was careless[/quote] EET, really? You can’t imagine it? Because I can tell you some of the other Liz haters of this board wrote it (not you). And several times. I remember it vividly and you know why because we discussed it together. And I am not even a Liz or Sam fan and I couldn’t care less about Jasam or Liason, you know it. And by the way, I must say I was 10 times more moved by Liz and Lucky learning about Jake than by Sam and Jason… Once again no Liz fan here but I am VERY happy that RH has been nominated to the Emmys for her performance because she broke my heart by playing it so perfectly. No overacting, just … “perfect”. I really hope that she will win even if my favorite of all times NLG is in the same category. But Liz folding Jake’s little clothes will be forever in my mind. Loved the Johnny/Carly part. CarTini are just plain stupid with what they have done to the Johnny’s character. Still madly angry at them. The show is a mess, nothing is believable and it all looks very sloppy and very “let’s not use our creativity and our imagination at all and recycle OLTL stories with our favorites themes, DID, rapes and baby switch”. Wow, such a great job… And I still can’t get over Johnny being crucified in order to put Todd and Sonny upfront as the real heroes. So pathetic. Perkie, LOL about the “Robin tribute”. Good to see Ric back! Log in to Reply FaisonFanInTexas June 6, 2012 EET~ :love: :love: Log in to Reply js3557 June 6, 2012 I don’t understand why karma would have Liz losing Jake. Liz never ran a kid down. Liz never murdered a child. So where is the karma? And people please don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t say I wanted Sam to lose her baby. I said I didn’t feel any sympathy for her. Maybe it’s because I know the kid is alive. Maybe it’s because she has a history of endangering kids. Maybe it’s because the acting was meh. Whatever it is, my lack of sympathy does not mean that I wanted Sam to lose her kid. And just because there is karma or poetic justice in a situation does not mean that I’m glad it happened. I can hate when something happens and it can still be poetic justice. Poetic doesn’t necessarily mean pleasant and happy feelings/thoughts. Try reading Sylvia Plath and then come back and tell me that because I called something poetic justice, it means that I wanted it to happen. As to thanking me for stating that Jake is dead…you’re welcome? I think it’s pretty clear that Jake is dead at this point in time. Would I object to a crazy story that revealed that he is alive? No. But that is not what is happening right now. So, thanks for implying that I’m deranged and checked into reality at the same time. Log in to Reply js3557 June 6, 2012 [quote=sassysdreams][quote=js3557]If that makes me sound like a deranged serial killer, oh well.[/quote] Truer words have never been spoken. You really should be careful throwing around the karma word as it certainly does apply to your girl losing her son as well.[/quote] ******************************************************************** I guess my sarcasm and irony was lost on you. Yes, not feeling bad for your favorite character makes me as bad as a deranged serial killer. How about I mail you a dollar so you can buy yourself a clue? Log in to Reply edenpark June 6, 2012 [quote=sassysdreams]You really should be careful throwing around the karma word as it certainly does apply to your girl losing her son as well.[/quote] And here we go… This is that kind of statement that could almost make me cheer for Liason if Jason was not a huge douche and Alexis or Carly were not much more interesting than Liz. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 June 6, 2012 js3557 – :beer: :beer: :beer: :love: :love: I am officially the president of your fan club Log in to Reply GHteenybopper June 6, 2012 LOL at “How about I mail you dollar so you can buy yourself a clue. That’s the funniest thing I’ve read on here today! JS3557–that’s a good one. I already posted on Perkie’s more recent observation that the scene with JJ and BH was a million times more moving than what KeMo and SBu did yesterday, I didn’t feel anything from it, it could be because I know the kid is alive, or that I hate Jason, or I know it’s about to become all about him and how he feels about the kid he wanted nothing to do with, but it was just meh. Nothing special. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 June 6, 2012 Oh yeah JS do I make the membership check out to “Deranged Serial Killer” or is “CASH” ok :p Log in to Reply strawberrygurl22 June 6, 2012 :love: js3557 and Ravennite, how I love thee posts!!! :beer: :beer: :beer: Only one missing is GHVET. Where is she? She hasn’t post in awhile? Log in to Reply Perkie June 6, 2012 Have I ever mentioned how much I hate drive by hand slapping. You know, the poster who informs us/me that we/I should “lighten up”, “calm down”, “see the good” and so forth. And then when I check the credentials, I see they’ve just signed on as a new poster. So you signed up to tell me how I should think and feel? Fantastic. [quote; soapfan5]Yes, there are plot holes and it is far-fetched but the show overall has been highly entertaining [/quote] Why can’t it be highly entertaining and NOT full of plot holes at the same time? Why can’t I have a side dish of sense with my entertainment? For example, Tea was in a warm, dry car, where she could lie down to give birth, but she’s forced to leave the car, walk in the rain to a bus shelter, to give birth out in the elements, sitting up. Why? So they could have Todd crack the line about waiting for the bus that might have a gynocologist on it? Did I laugh at that line, sure. Did they need the non sensical of Tea getting out of the car in order to have that line? No. I’m going to speak for all womankind and motherhoodkind and say that no woman would leave their newborn outside with the elements and the wildlife and go inside without it. It has nothing to do with Sam, no one would do it. So why have Sam do it? Because they needed Todd outside with the baby for Tea to find? All they needed to do was have Sam go into the shed with the baby, sit down on a bench, put the baby down beside her and then pass out. Todd finds her and the baby and then hearing Tea’s voice, goes outside and voila. It makes sense and it’s the same result they currently have only people weren’t stupid in the making. Log in to Reply giogio June 6, 2012 you go Perkie!!! Log in to Reply js3557 June 6, 2012 Much love right back at ya ladies! Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin June 7, 2012 Eden actually I do remember that discussion vividly as well and the ONE poster in question did not suggested that Liz DESERVED for jake to die but rather that she was careless and after that ONE poster suggested that Liz contributed to the death of jake she was thoroughly lambasted by virtually everyone, she wasnt given love and beer mugs. And since that is being brought up, while I too disagreed with the assessment that liz contributed to jakes death, I to this day remain shocked and dismayed that liz then allowed cam to nearly meet the SAME fate from the SAME unlocked door on the same UNLIT street with the SAME unfenced yard. I thoroughly believe that ANY mother, even the best of moms, could have turned their back and lost a child the way that liz lost jake, but to then make the exact same mistake with the exact same home limitations (no lights in the yard, no fence, no chain lock on the door) etc. is shocking. and JS since we are schooling one another on karma, the concept of karma is not generally considered to be linear – I ran over a kid drunk so I create bad karma and I lose my kid the same way – its generally thought to be that if you put bad energy out in to the world and you harm people, harm might come to you. So you might then appreciate that on a soap where ALL the characters do craptastic things, to crow that sams karma is biting her in the ass as if you are thrilled that she is now mourning a second dead baby and your post is reading like the words of a character that is a deranged serial killer, you should anticipate that someone is going to throw out a reminder that basically all of us live in proverbial glass houses because all of our favorites have done something heinous. Liz’s karma – well no she never murdered a child but she did rip cam away from zander and she did try to kill him and she was basically an accessory to murder when ric used the pcpd to end his life and she was willing to rip the boys away from lucky during their divorce and she was willing to lie to jason about jakes paternity and she was willing to lie to sam over and over and over again all the while working jason for a future together. she also was willing to turn a blind eye to rics attempt on courtneys life and she did drive under the influence the night she just “needed” to see jason (even if nik was going to pay for the crime) and she did beg lucky to risk his career to cover up her dui. She also slept with nik while engaged to his brother and she used her rape to back rebecca off telling the truth…and thats just the short list of bad jujus she put out in to the universe. But hey if we are going to just ignore lizs mistakes and just focus on gloating that I guess in some peoples view sam got some comeuppence for having wronged st. liz and you dont care that the words mirror that of a character thats not just kind of out there but flat out bat shit looney, so be it. Personally I would not want to be heather-esque. As for the acting and who did more with what, liz folded the clothes on I believe day 3 and much had been cut so really that was a full week or more of what had been filmed. Im aching for sam right now but im not tearing my heart out yet because shes still so numb. When I lost it was when john put the baby in her arms after she waited so many years. I caught my breath when she faulted john for not coming back.I think kelly has been turning in amazing performance after amazing performance all the way back to the rape but what Im waiting for honestly is when it really hits her that the baby she doesnt feel is hers is dead really is dead and jason caused john not to return. kelly is going to earn her emmy ….its coming and the haters are going to be beside themselves. Log in to Reply js3557 June 7, 2012 [quote=EricasEvilTwin] to crow that sams karma is biting her in the ass as if you are thrilled that she is now mourning a second dead baby and your post is reading like the words of a character that is a deranged serial killer,[/quote] ****************************************************************** There you go again, completely misinterpreting my posts. I never crowed or celebrated or even put a friggin smiley face next to my post about karma. I was just explaining why I didn’t feel sympathy for Sam. Maybe if her baby really was dead it would be different. I don’t know. But to compare me to a fictional deranged serial killer is going over the line and is completely ridiculous. Since you brought Liz into this, I’ve never said that Liz is a saint. I disagree with your version of several of the events you listed in your rant, but some were accurate. Liz has done some bad things and has made some bad choices. She has also paid for those mistakes (having to raise Cam on her own because she chose Ric over Zander, losing Lucky because she slept with Nik, being called every derogatory name in the book by virtually every character for everything she’s ever done wrong, Shadybrook stays, etc.). I don’t think she’s done anything nearly as bad as Sam, though. To me, purposefully harming children is the worst thing one can do, and Sam has done it repeatedly. You constantly defend a child endangering con artist who was convicted of prostitution, but I have never called you names or implied anything about your character. Your behavior in this discussion has been rude, aggressive and insulting. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin June 7, 2012 I have not called you one name – Ive simply said that YOUR aggressive words about a character that is now mourning the loss of a SECOND baby through no fault of her own mirrors that of a serial killer. When I heard heathers rant I thought wow thats horrible and then I read several posts on here that read almost the same. What can I say. I may not like liz but youve never read a single post from me that said Im glad jakes dead, liz deserved for jake to die, i felt no sympathy for her losing jake given her past etc. etc. I would have considered THAT aggressive. And perhaps I am simply fed up after reading months of things like I could care less than sam got raped, who washes after that when they know about dna, all this baby nonsense is her fault for not going to the hospital, what a horrible mom for leaving her baby in the planter, sam cant be a mom and a gun carrying pi, and now losing jason jr. is karma for her past. For the record REAL women get raped REAL women wash after a rape even knowing about dna REAL women cant bring themselves to go to the hospital even though the should REAL women carry guns for a living and STILL are excellent moms REAL women make mistakes and dont DESERVE to have their kids DIE for those mistakes. And thats just a portion of the outrageous things that Ive grown weary of. Log in to Reply Ravennite613 June 7, 2012 Oh wait you forgot REAL women hold a gun on their mortal enemy and let them walk out the door REAL women watch as a child is kidnapped by a crazy woman REAL women hire thugs to threaten kids REAL women continue to ignore their husbands one wish about not talking to cops. REAL women grow a brain when they are rape, attacked, threatened, shot at and thoroughly treated like an after thought by the person they love REAL writers who somehow think I need to be shoveled over the head with whitewashing over a character their previous predecessor destroyed for me. this is what I’ve grown weary of Log in to Reply js3557 June 7, 2012 And I never wrote that I was “glad” that this was happening to Sam. So how is my stating that I can’t summons sympathy for this character an aggressive statement? Actually, you don’t have to answer that question because I already know that nothing I said about Sam was aggressive. And you have not directly called me a name, but we are both intelligent women who know that implying that someone is similar to a mentally deranged serial killer is just as bad an coming out and saying it directly. Being tricky and cute with your phrasing doesn’t change your intent or meaning. Log in to Reply JasamForever June 7, 2012 From my stance, EET has not been rude, aggressive, or insulting. Just stating her thoughts as you and others do on a regular basis. We all have the rights to our opinions, however distorted another person may think them. It will be interesting to see what happens to Liz’s character in the coming months. Notice we are know on our third regime and this regime does not seem to want to write for Liz as the other two did. Yes, we do see her interacting with more characters and she is in more scenes which is probably because of garauntee’s. However, I read that FV or RC said they like Liz supporting other characters and she will continue being written this way as of now. Log in to Reply maxsmom June 7, 2012 I’m agree with JS. And I heard that RCFV prefer Liason to Jasam but more importantly, I heard they like to drop false rumors. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.