General Hospital: Perkie’s Observations




Sam has a dream that she’s holding her healthy baby, talking to him and wakes up with a start. Jason assures her all will be okay, but she wants to know how it will be since she just lost her baby.  Sam doesn’t understand why John didn’t come back to get her and just left them there.  Jason doesn’t tell her the truth. 

Todd has a dream that he tells Tea the truth that her baby is dead and she screams at him.  No really, she screamed.  Todd wakes up and Tea wonders why he seems upset.  Steve shows up and says they can be discharged today, but that the baby’s hemoglobin is low and will need to be rechecked in a couple of day.  He says it may be an indication of a genetic condition that runs in families. 
 


Alexis isn’t happy with the camera crews in the house, but Kristina insists they stay and tape everything. Molly gets a text from Jason that Sam’s in the hospital.  When Alexis calls back, she’s shocked to hear what happened to Sam.  Kristina jokingly asks who Jason killed now and Alexis tells her that Sam’s baby died.  Kristina gets angry with the camera crew and tells them to turn off their cameras. 

Matt leaves Maxie a letter, removes his ring and leaves.  After he’s gone, Maxie wakes and reads the letter, which says that Matt is going to turn himself in and Maxie takes off after him. 

Heather stops by the PCPD to see Luke, but Dante says they aren’t allowed visitors and explains that Luke and Tracy were arrested together.  Heather asks how an arrest can be made without a dead body, which Dante questions.  Heather puts the blame on Tracy, saying she killed Anthony and that Luke is not to blame.  She insists on seeing Luke, but Dante tells her to go home. Matt arrives, and tells Dante that he needs to confess to killing Lisa. 

Olivia shows up at Jake’s asking the bartender if he saw Heather there the night before.  The bartender doesn’t remember her, but says Spinelli spent the night.  Olivia is surprised that Spinelli tied one on, but Spin says the woman he loves married someone else.  Olivia asks if he saw Heather, but he doesn’t remember.  She says she thinks Heather is hiding something and wants Spin to use his PI skills to help her find out what.  

Olivia tells Spinelli she doesn’t trust Heather, that she was lying about coming to the bar and she left Olivia’s car covered in mud.  Olivia wants to be ready for Steve’s mom, just in case.  Heather shows up wondering what they’re talking about and mentions the bartender.  Olivia says the bartender doesn’t seem to remember her and Heather asks if Olivia is calling her a liar. Olivia deflects and Heather leaves.  Spinelli agrees that something is off and he’ll help Olivia figure out what it is.   

John’s on the phone with the hospital, trying to get information on Sam and the baby.  Anna drops by and he tells her that Sam lost the baby and explains what happened.  He doesn’t understand how the baby died, since he was born with no complications.  Anna tells him not to blame himself.

Anna asks if Sonny sent the goons, but John says it was Jason.  Anna asks if he confronted Jason but John said Jason sent a clear message to stay out of their business and if he had stayed away from Sam none of this would have happened.  Anna says he helped Sam and did all he could and offers to drive him to the hospital to have his injuries checked.   

Dante is surprised at Matt wanting to confess since he just married Maxie to prevent it.  Maxie shows up and says Matt owes her an explanation. Matt says he won’t change his mind now that he’s remembered.  He keeps seeing what happened and hears the wrench in his mind and he can’t live with it. Matt says it goes against everything he is as a doctor.  Maxie wants him to forget and come home. 

Matt says he can’t pretend it didn’t happen, that every day would be a reminder and he can’t live a lie. Maxie says she wants a life with him, for him to finish his research and help people.  Robin wouldn’t want him to throw away his life.  She begs him not to do this, but when Dante returns, Matt says he’s ready to give his statement.

Jason tells Sam that Alexis is on her way, but Sam doesn’t want to see her mother and knows Molly will be upset.  Jason says he has to tell her something, that Carly gave him perspective.  Sam angrily snarls that Jason can talk to Carly about anything and is sure Carly blamed her for something.  Sam doesn’t care what Carly said.  The Davis women show up. 

Steve explains about the potential blood disease which is usually from Italian or Greek ancestry.  Tea says she’s Puerto Rican, but Steve says he can run more tests if they stay in town.  Todd yells out no and Tea points out that her medical issues are not his concern.  Todd says he spoke to her doctor in Llanview and has arranged for a plane to take them home today.  Steve agrees that it’s okay for them to leave and Todd offers to go get the car. 

Jason leaves the Davis coven to talk. Sam explains that the baby was born fine and everything was perfect, until it wasn’t.  Alexis wants to know why John didn’t take Sam to the hospital after the baby was born. Sam says John went to get the car and never came back. 

Todd listens at Sam’s door as she tells her family that she tried the night clerk but he wasn’t there, than tried the phone which wasn’t working. She then tried to flag down a car and ended up at the shed.  Sam says she doesn’t understand why her baby died and Alexis heads out to get answers.

Alexis catches Todd at the door and asks what he’s doing outside Sam’s door.  Todd claims he was just walking down the hall and bumped into Sam’s food cart.  He says he’s here taking someone else home, who’s just had a baby.  

Jason asks how Sam is and Alexis says she’s looking for Dr. Lee to get answers. Jason says he’s sorry that Sam lost her son.  Alexis questions the “her” son and if Jason is truly sorry Sam’s baby didn’t survive.  She knows he wasn’t going to accept Franco’s baby and feels if Jason had been more compassionate towards Sam, maybe she wouldn’t have been in  a motel giving birth and Alexis would have her grandson now.

John runs into Jason at the hospital.  Heather runs into Todd at the hospital and says they need to have a little chat.  Sam comes out of her room and finds Tea and baby there. 
 

80 Responses

  1. Profile photo of Perkie
    Perkie

    Love the Davis coven. Love Alexis in Mama Bear mode. Love her tearing a strip off of Jason, just wish it was even more.

    Jason is a coward and a big fat liar. He’s letting that poor girl lie there wondering what happened to her baby and why John didn’t come back to help and he’s not saying a word. He put this whole thing in motion. Yes, Todd and Heather switched the babies, but they coudlnt’ have done the switch if Sam hadn’t been there and she wouldn’t have been there if John had come back and JOhn would have come back if JAson wasn’t such a p*ssy about someone else talking to and conforting his wife in her time of need. This is all on Jason’s shoulders.

    I want Anna to tell Sam the truth, that Jason had John beaten up and it led to the “death” of “her” son. And then I want Alexis and Sam to take turns beating the crap out of Jason.

    Seriously Heather, what’s wrong with her. No one has said that Anthony is dead, so for her to run down to the PCPD and throw that around is rather dumb on her part. I also think Olivia needs to be more careful with her veiled accusations.

    I’m so sad that were losing Jason Cook. But at least he was man enough to admit the truth and take his lumps. Sonny, Jason, Spinelli, Todd, that is what a real man looks like.

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    sassysdreams

    Perkie I love and agree with every word you wrote except for lumping Spinelli in with Sonny, Jason and Todd. When it came time to tell the truth, Spinelli stepped up and did exactly that, in a court of law. That’s the ONLY reason that Maxie is free now to continue messing up her life! And as much as you hate the character, he has never actually killed ANYONE like the other three men, nor raped anyone like Todd!!

    Sam holding and talking to her son brought tears to my eyes!!! KM was wonderful with that child and has been turning in brilliant performances!!!!! I hope this baby switch story comes to a quick end so Sam can begin her new life with her beautiful son!!! And I hope Jason suffers for his decisions for a very long time!!!

    Jason is a major douchebag and I cannot wait until Sam learns about what he did to John!!!

    Loved everything about Alexis today and loved what she said to Jason!!! And I adore the Davis coven!!!!! Not used to nuKristina yet but I love when Alexis, Molly and Sam share scenes together!!!

    Loved the John and Anna scenes!!!

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    TV Gord

    Steve Burton really takes Joey Tribbiani’s concept of “fart acting” seriously, doesn’t he? It has become my daily laugh while watching GH. I would love to see what he does when the camera stops rolling after some of those scenes. Does he burst out laughing, or does he think he’s performing Shakespeare, here? I do believe he’s the most earnest actor since Sylvester Stallone.

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    curacaoman

    [quote=TV Gord]Steve Burton really takes Joey Tribbiani’s concept of “fart acting” seriously, doesn’t he? It has become my daily laugh while watching GH. I would love to see what he does when the camera stops rolling after some of those scenes. Does he burst out laughing, or does he think he’s performing Shakespeare, here? I do believe he’s the most earnest actor since Sylvester Stallone.[/quote]

    That is why he has earned the monniker “Constipason”. You can tell how intense his feelings are by how constipated he looks, one day, three days, a month.

    As he was the last Quartermaine standing, I was all for Jason. But now he just needs to be off my screen. Have him and Sonny mode to New York City and get married already. Just get them away from my screen.

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    pjc722

    The only thing that made sense in yesterday’s show was Olivia questioning why Heather was out when she is suppose to be on supervised excursions when she leaves the house BY COURT ORDER.

    It’s great having Robin around though.

    The rest was ridiculous. The OVER ACTING on the part of Roger Howarth when playing Todd with the big EYES staring away or even Steve Barton staring off when the coven is asking about Sam’s delivery. Seriously, this is not 1960’s soap acting, if you need to show that you are THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU DID, there are better MORE realistic ways of doing it!!

    I do have to say that I loved that Sam wasn’t having any of Jason’s rationalizing over what he has finally realized. I only wished she said GET OUT OF MY ROOM and my life because I am tired of waiting around for the almighty Jason to decide he’s ready for something!!!

    GH can be good. It just aint there.

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    pjc722

    Oh, and I want Kristen Storm back. This nuMaxie acts “frustration” like she just took a poo in her pants or smelled bad onions rotting in the trash. Squeezing your forehead and whining your lines does not make for entertaining TV for the audience.

    Maxie is not the spritely, fun, “valley girl-esque” girl she was when Kristen was playing her. That Maxie was never the smartest one but the actress played her with heart, fun and energy. You believed her motivations when she expressed them… I mean the girl walked down the aisle and said NO to spinelli with family/friends all around and we all came out routing for her! Maxie was selfish but, if it can actually be this way, she sas selfish with a heart. And it was believable.

    This actress just makes me want to lower the volume, change the channel, or close my eyes during her scenes. Now she is just an idiotic, selfish, lazy bore who is truly selfish.

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    pjc722

    I think WAY TOO MUCH TIME has been spent in Port Charles by John… who has a wife and son back in Llanview… without him going home or even having his wife show up in town.

    I don’t get why the show can’t write it in that Natalie and child come to Port Charles. We don’t need to see them but John could say they came for a visit, their seeing the sites, or they drove up to Niagara Falls for the day and they are doing dinner that night.

    Or just have the actress come for 2 days so that we are reminded that not only is John married but he fought for years to be with his wife and they now have a son. The actor is barely acting like “I shouldn’t be hanging out with a woman in my MOTEL room since I am married”. It’s being dragged out far too long. PLUS, we all know that the actress who plays Natalie has not signed on to the show for a tiny gig, short term or even long term contract so this story is in limbo forever.

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    Carol2

    [quote=sassysdreams]Perkie I love and agree with every word you wrote except for lumping Spinelli in with Sonny, Jason and Todd. When it came time to tell the truth, Spinelli stepped up and did exactly that, in a court of law. That’s the ONLY reason that Maxie is free now to continue messing up her life! And as much as you hate the character, he has never actually killed ANYONE like the other three men, nor raped anyone like Todd!![/quote]

    He was actively involved in the plan to kill Dante. He also nearly killed Maxie – if not for Johnny, she would have died.

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    Tris Drake

    JC is out of a job but JL still has one? Those scenes were embarrassing to watch for her. And why was Dante giving Matt attitude? How many times has he covered for Sonny?

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    mipeony

    Alexis was too restrained with Jason for my taste. Oh, she did a wonderful job of the calm, cool tongue lashing but I wanted to see some sort of Cassadine justice like Keifer got. Too bad there wasn’t a car handy. Maybe when she finds out about the McBain-napping beat down she will grab Jason’s gun and beat him over the head with it til his marbles get knocked back to where they’re supposed to be.

    I still think Alexis should’ve told Kristina to go and take her cameras with her.

    I want Todd to stay away from Sam.

    McBain and Jason face to face in the hospital hallway! I’m so seriously hoping there will be an argument and Sam will overhear the exact reason John didn’t come back with the car.

    I hope this baby switch story doesn’t last too long. The more Tea bonds with the baby, the more it’s going to break her when she has to give him back.

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    soapfan616

    Looks like the baby switch may resolve sooner than later. Thank the soap goddesses this regime, at least, does everything at lightning speed. The crappy stuff speeds by. Here’s hoping they replace it with something more believable and original.

    I always thought GH, even in the darkest Guza days, was the best acted and cast soap. The overacting, arched eyebrows and winks at campiness of some of the actors is ruining GH’s greatest strength. The best actors are rarely seen or not seen at all. Tristan Rogers gave it his all and disappeared. JT gave a POWERHOUSE performance and he has been relegated to nothingness (wouldn’t be shocked to see him dismissed, or oopps, move on to directing). It seems the more realistic the performance, the less screen time. But if you play every scene like Norma Desmond waiting for her close up, then well, you’ll be on the screen until we all scream.

    Many of the younger actors and unfortunately many of the middle aged ones too could take a cue from AG, JE and FH, who even in their limited screen time, put on clinics on soap acting.

    I guess the bad acting has moved from Llanview as well—along with the DID, bad paternity tests and baby switches.

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    Tris Drake

    And the day JT goes, I go with him. He acts circles around the so called leading man. What is wrong with this show. Oh,Patrick is actually a doctor on a show about a hospital and has no use for the mob.

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    JASAMMABBY

    Sam made me so sad!!! KeMo is rocking this story- and even though I dislike the storyline I love seeing her. I have to agree she was great with that baby and I still swear it has her nose. Her snarling at Jason was wonderful and my heart melted a little when Alexis said “I would have my grandson”.. The Davis coven could use a little man around.

    I am also enjoying the dilemma Jason must find himself in. After calling out and blaming his wife for saving his arse in the hospital and keeping secrets for his own good- he now is keeping one from her..

    Sad to see Jason Cook go- I wish they would have done more with his character. On that note I really wish I was seeing some Patrick. Maybe Patrick and Liz working on a charity project or some Greys Anatomy style hospital problem..

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    soapfan616

    [quote=curacaoman]According to SOD, Sonny and John will kiss and make up and John will leave town.

    What a let-down![/quote]

    ***

    But will Jason see the McBain/Sonny kiss and be forced to admit his decade long feelings for the love of his life?

    But yeah, Sonny comes out on top. YAWN. So much for this regime’s “fresh” spin on GH stories.

    McBain has kind of grown on me. Sad to see him go if it’s true.

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    TV Gord

    I believe the origin of that story about McBain leaving is in a new interview posted by Michael Fairman, and Easton says nothing is definite. He leaves when things sort of get resolved with Sonny, but he could come back to help with the baby switch storyline. Personally, I think they know he’s coming back (he’s clearly the most popular of the Llanview transpLlants, based on message board comments), so I think they’re just trying to raise a little ruckus about him possibly leaving to see how up in arms the fans get.

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    Perkie

    [quote; sassysdreams] And as much as you hate the character, he has never actually killed [/quote]

    If Olivia hadn’t walked in when she did, Dante would be dead somewhere (in the Pine Barrens). SPinelli helped fascilitate that shooting and said nothing about it. He might not have pulled any triggers himself, but he’s just as bad as his BFF in my humble opinion.

    [quote; mipeony]I still think Alexis should’ve told Kristina to go and take her cameras with her [/quote]

    I know, right! When she made her crack about leaving, I actually said to the tv, ‘don’t let the door hit you on the way out’. My 12 year old was walking by and he said, ‘who are you talking to, Spinelli?’ because he knows my feelings for him!!!!

    [quote]I’m so seriously hoping there will be an argument and Sam will overhear the exact reason John didn’t come back with the car. [/quote]

    I don’t think they’e going to say anything to each other since John already sort of said something when he came back to the room. I’m hoping Alexis figures it out or Anna tells Sam. It’s always better when a third party gives the news, because then the person really beleives it.

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    bishbay

    Spinelli is a putrid character without any redeeming qualities (the actor’s potato face makes me angry, at this point; can’t watch his scenes) and YES, he is in fact complicit in Dante’s attempted murder, and he has never expressed regret about his role.

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    lisa123

    Wake the audience up when the Jasam show is over. For 4 years this couple has bombed. The ratings prove week after week, year after year, that nobody cares about them. If they must keep them together, then PLEASE backburn them. Where is Patrick and Liz and the other people with very large fanbases? If Liz isn’t pimping the woman that endangered her kid to Jakes deadbeat sperm donor, we never see her? I know Frons lurvved this couple, but do these new people NOT look at ratings?

    Unless this kid is karma for Sam targeting Jake, I’m not interested in her babbbbbbbbbbyyy, just as the rest of her whitewash is of no interest to me.

    Please make the Jasam show over. Please?

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    sassysdreams

    [quote=Perkie]If Olivia hadn’t walked in when she did, Dante would be dead somewhere (in the Pine Barrens). SPinelli helped fascilitate that shooting and said nothing about it. He might not have pulled any triggers himself, but he’s just as bad as his BFF in my humble opinion.[/quote]

    Spinelli tried every way possible to talk Jason and Sonny out of killing Dante. He failed but he tried. And Dante is very much alive.

    And yet you’re in love with a character who kidnapped a pregnant woman, chained her to the wall in a panic room while intending to steal the baby and kill the mother, a man who poisoned his wife Elizabeth with birth control pills, a man who slept with his wife’s daughter and his brother’s wife, and a man who did everything he could to steal custody of Molly away from Alexis while she was fighting to survive cancer.

    Makes a lot of sense to me! ;)

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    Perkie

    [quote; sassysdreams]And yet you’re in love with a character who kidnapped a pregnant woman, chained her to the wall in a panic room while intending to steal the baby and kill the mother, a man who poisoned his wife Elizabeth with birth control pills, a man who slept with his wife’s daughter and his brother’s wife, and a man who did everything he could to steal custody of Molly away from Alexis while she was fighting to survive cancer[/quote]

    First of all….YES!! I never said it was logical, it just is. I’ve always said, on paper, I should loath Ric Lansing, and if he was played by anyone other than Rick Hearst, I likely would.

    Second of all, way to list all the bad things and none of the good things that made up Ric Lansing.

    Third of all, I disagree with “slept with his wife’s daughter” since I firmly believe Sam initiated that and while I don’t condone Ric’s part in it, I put most of the blame on Sam. I do, because I can!

    Fourth, he was played by the awesomely freakin’ fantastic Rick Hearst.

    Fifth, have I mentioned Rick Hearst and how very pretty he is.

  21. Profile photo of Tris Drake
    Tris Drake

    I want to know where Patrick and Liz are too. Patrick should be having scenes with his brother. I Just can’t handle Jen Lilley. And I’m for sure sick of having babies shoved down my throat. I really don’t think I have to watch that EVERY day. A bit of balance would be lovely.

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    soapbaby

    Hmmm…loving Ric Lansing played by daytime gem Rick Hearst being compared to hating one of the most obnoxious characters in daytime history, Damian Spinelli…well, I am going to have to side with Perkie ;-)

    I have adored Rick Hearst since he was Scott Banning on DAYS and went on to make Alan-Michael Spaulding on GL one of my favorite soap characters. That voice, that face, that body AND a fine actor to boot. Yowza!

    As far as Damian Spinelli, I hope Heather takes him and Olivia Falconeiri out with a shovel. Spinelli and Olivia are dreadful, add nothing worthwhile but take up a lot of space.

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    ConqueringBlue

    [quote=soapfan616]
    I always thought GH, even in the darkest Guza days, was the best acted and cast soap. The overacting, arched eyebrows and winks at campiness of some of the actors is ruining GH’s greatest strength. The best actors are rarely seen or not seen at all. Tristan Rogers gave it his all and disappeared. JT gave a POWERHOUSE performance and he has been relegated to nothingness (wouldn’t be shocked to see him dismissed, or oopps, move on to directing). It seems the more realistic the performance, the less screen time. But if you play every scene like Norma Desmond waiting for her close up, then well, you’ll be on the screen until we all scream.

    Many of the younger actors and unfortunately many of the middle aged ones too could take a cue from AG, JE and FH, who even in their limited screen time, put on clinics on soap acting.

    I guess the bad acting has moved from Llanview as well—along with the DID, bad paternity tests and baby switches.[/quote]

    Absolutely agree about the campy performances. I know some are enjoying Heather, but her talking aloud to herself of her schemes on a daily basis reminds me so much of the James Reilly school of writing. And some of the dialogue is SO heavy handed that I find myself cringing, repeatedly. Even during Guza’s worst days, a lot of the dialogue did feel crisp, and I know people used to say that GH was too “wordy”, where characters would ramble on and on, and talk really fast (i.e. Gilmore Girls style) but I often found it charming, and the actors really were able to shine. I also know that GH has lost/fired a lot of its script writers over the past few years, too, which probably makes a huge difference. But I just can’t take this heavy handed dialogue. I remember all the many months and years I watched Sami Brady talk to herself about her schemes to keep Austin and Carrie apart. Or on Passions when Theresa would spell out her entire plot to the audience while lurking or peeking around a wall at Gwen. SO JAMES REILLY, only, for all of it’s over the top campiness since RC took over, GH is lacking some really fun stories. Tired of the gloominess.

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    Ravennite613

    Spinelli is an annoying troll of a character who has shown no growth after all these years. He had the balls to talk about Matt being a killer to Maxie when the man did not even remember what he did but Lord help us if the hypocrite has a BFF who does that and more…and don’t give me the line that Jason kills bad people because so did Matt

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    mecasey

    Sam’s baby ain’t dead. Jason’s actions with McBain doesn’t change the fact that Sam’s baby ain’t dead.

    Jason didn’t force Sam to leave the PH. SHE made that choice. Nor did he force her to move into a cheap, fleabag hotel. Nor did he force her to remain there once she knew that McBain was her next door neighbor. Sam could have taken her trifling ass to Alexis and stayed with her. Or she could have booked a room at a respectable hotel, so that should her baby come early, there would have at least been a desk attendant on duty.

    But no, Sam made all her choices and Jason gets blamed for them? Hell no. Sam is a friggin adult and she made the choice to put herself in the worst situation possible. What the hell was she thinking? Did the twit not understand she was in the midst of a risky pregnancy?

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    curacaoman

    Mecasy, all those things you accuse Sam of? Ever heard of a plot point?

    Let’s face it, if we were to hate all the characters on GH that have done despicable things, there would be no one left to love.

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    mecasey

    curacaoman – I do understand plot points. I’m simply not buying the kool-aid that Jason is the big baddie in the Jasam mess. Sam was an equal contibutor and she deserves at least as much blame as Jason for any temporary (fake) misfortune they are experiencing.

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    sassysdreams

    [quote=Perkie]First of all….YES!! I never said it was logical, it just is. I’ve always said, on paper, I should loath Ric Lansing, and if he was played by anyone other than Rick Hearst, I likely would. Second of all, way to list all the bad things and none of the good things that made up Ric Lansing. Fourth, he was played by the awesomely freakin’ fantastic Rick Hearst. Fifth, have I mentioned Rick Hearst and how very pretty he is.[/quote]

    I completely understand loving an ACTOR but to me there is a difference between an actor and a character! I happen to HATE the character and I don’t recall ANY good things that Ric Lansing ever did in Port Charles. On the other hand, I LOVE both the character and the actor that plays Spinelli!!!

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    Perkie

    [quote; sassysdreams]I completely understand loving an ACTOR but to me there is a difference between an actor and a character[/quote]

    But there were some good sides to Ric. Liric in the beginning. Rexis in the beginning. But the instant the show decided they needed a scapegoat and Ric would be it, the downfall came. I couldnt hate him at that point simply because that’s what the show wanted me to do, hate Ric and love Jason and Sonny, which I refused to do. So I guess in the end, I liked Ric Lansing, to spite tptb.

    Also, I think once Trevor was introduced and you saw how horrible a father he was and what kind of childhood Ric endured, it certainly made me understand and appreciate where he was coming from.

    This show so totally missed the boat on the potential of Ric Lansing via Rick Hearst. It’s heartbreaking.

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    Perkie

    [quote; mecasey]Jason didn’t force Sam to leave the PH.[/quote]

    But in a way, he did. He made things unbearable at home by treating her like a pariah for waiting a minute and a half to tell him about Franco. There was no way she could live in the penthouse under those conditions.

    [quote] Nor did he force her to move into a cheap, fleabag hotel. Nor did he force her to remain there once she knew that McBain was her next door neighbor.[/quote]

    Okay, I’ll give you that.

    [quote] Sam could have taken her trifling ass to Alexis and stayed with her. [/quote]

    Okay, I’ll give you that one too. But from what we’ve seen the past couple of days, Sam doesn’t like having Alexis “Mom” over her.

    [quote] Or she could have booked a room at a respectable hotel, so that should her baby come early, there would have at least been a desk attendant on duty [/quote]

    By the looks of things, this town has two hotels, the fleabag one and the Metrocourt and there was no way she was going there considering Carly owns it.

    [quote]But no, Sam made all her choices and Jason gets blamed for them?[/quote]

    The only thing I’m blaming Jason for is the death of the baby. Were it not for John lying on the side of a road, injured when he should have been driving Sam to the hospital, she would have baby Daniel (so totally should be his name!!) and Tea’s baby would be dead in the shed.

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    bishbay

    giogio, life is hard. Toughen up. Spinelli’s face does indeed look like a potato. Just because you like the character doesn’t change that.

    In terms of the evilness of characters discussed on this thread, the ranking is:

    Ric>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spinelli>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sam>Liz.

    (I acknowledge that Liz was barely discussed on this thread but it’s my comment and I’m writing what I want.)

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    JASAMMABBY

    For once I am just happy to see Jason getting written under the bus. Don’t get me wrong I love Jason and Jasam- but for once he is the one really at fault. I love it!!!

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    EricasEvilTwin

    KeMo is doing amazing work in this story and I for one cant wait for Monday. Theres a reason why the head writer at PC and then Guza, wolfe and now Cartini all wanted to write for her – her work is always compelling.

    Knew Heather switched the results but KABLAM did not expect the reveal to happen so soon.

    I cant believe that sam keeps saying the baby is mine and no one is thinking to say lets give her closure by doing some sort of final dna test given all the other tests that were being run.

    I am also glad to see that the new baby has Beta”Im a real cassadine” illness (i cant say it so thats what im now calling it). I know some haters were down right salivating at the idea that Sam might not be a cassadine since rumors were floating that they were going to make her johns sister. Given his not greek on his fathers side, Im not going to buy that the woman that mcbains daddy had an affair with was ALSO greek and just happened to pass down the same illness the cassadines have. Given that baby lila was a full on match for K and given the info they did trace, all that being coinkidinks would be too absurd. Guess the haters will have to deal with sam being part of a legacy family, having a legacy baby and soon, having a lead emmy for her mantle.

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    Tris Drake

    I don’t thinly Liz is evil,incredibly silly at times,yes. Ric was evil ( but he looked so good doing it). Sonny putting underage Karen on the artillery bowl,giving her drugs and then implying she liked being molested by Ray(?) Took the cake for me.

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    The_Moustache

    so Sam was going to name HER baby after a guy who wanted nothing to do with her, who wanted her to give the baby up for adoption as soon as it was born, who made her feel like trash because she was raped and then got pregnant.

    THAT’S THE GUY WHO SHE WANTED TO NAME HER KID AFTER!?!?!

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Perkie – I absolutely agree with you that once you know trevor lansing – who I firmly believe molested claudia and certainly abused ric, sonny, and adele (albeit the latter two in a different, more insidious ways perhaps than deke) it certainly makes sense. I think what I would say though is that I dont buy your logic when you say you hate spin BECAUSE you equate him with sonny, jason and todd and you use one incident with dante as the be all and end all. At least with raven, shes saying she finds him trollish, she faults him for no growth and she finds him to be a hypocrite – I dont agree with that assessment – but I can see why SHE sees him that way and I can see why if you equate someone with those qualities one might be annoyed by the character since i certainly find those qualities annoying (hence much of my issues with liz) but when you say oh hes as evil as sonny and todd and jason you lose me, esp. when the basis is ONE murder he opposed when your fave had his hands in murders, near murders, potential rapes, abductions etc. I think to watch this show you have to have a certain amount of set asides for some of this stuff or you would root for no one since nearly everyone has a tie to the mob and essentially supports the mob life to one extent or the other (which is why I laugh at those type of slams) but by making your argument you are in some ways saying treat those things as full on, and by those standards, you still arent going to get to a playing field where spin and sonny are equals. Again using liz as a comparison, I might loathe liz because I the character but objectively i wouldnt compare her to a mob king pin. No way would I buy that spin would ever purposefully set out to harm someone or he would be home trying to frame matt just to win back maxie. He would never gang rape a college coed or put some teenager on a pole after drugging her or threaten to murder someone he once loved. I dont even think he could kill a moth. This is a kid who had some social development issues and was abandoned because of them by virtually everyone but his grandma. He latched on to JaSam and THAT connects him to the mob. If Jason died tomorrow, sam would be done with sonny so fast shed make flash gordon look slow and spin would say bazinga and follow suit. I cant imagine spin coming up with murder and mayhem as a choice he would make all on his own even though he was willing to follow jasons orders and turn a blind eye to dantes death.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Mecasey, he is responsible for endangering the child and for the events that will lead to sam believing that the baby is dead. Have we now split the hair correctly?

    Bishbay – we typically refrain from actor bashing around here and that has long been defined as criticisms that do not pertain to the performance – the acting, the wardrobe, the hair etc. Since spinellis so called potato face is Bradfords potato face we normally define that as actor bashing. Some get away with slamming kelly for what they call her bags – I got tired of objecting. Since not to many others seem to be complaining I guess we are getting away from that around here now?

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    mecasey

    I’m not splitting hairs. I’m stating facts. Jason is not responsible for the death of any child. Not Sam’s. Not Tea’s. He also is not responsible for endangering her child as he had no idea she had given birth and also, Sam took full responsibility for her child/pregnancy when she moved out of the PH.

    I don’t care if Sam yells that he is. He can yell right back at her that she bears responsibility too for her poor judgement. It doesn’t change the fact that Jason did not cause the death of any child. Not Sam’s nor Tea’s.

    I do wonder if Sam will apologize to Jason once her child is returned to her for wrongly accusing him of her child’s death.

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    mecasey

    Perkie – I disagree. Jason is not responsible for the death of any baby. No matter how you slice it. Sam’s baby ain’t dead. Jason has nothing to do with the how’s or why’s of Tea’s baby’s death. The only thing Jason is responsible for is the beating of McBain.

    Also, Jason did not force Sam to move out. Sam volunteered to do so cause she wanted to give Jason more time. Again, her choice. I didn’t feel that Jason treated Sam like a pariah. He was shocked, upset and disappointed by the news she revealed to him. He was also hurt by Sam because she thought he wasn’t capable enough to handle the truth. Sam played a big role in how Jason reacted to everything. Not only did she lie to him but then she went off and confided everything about their marriage and Jason’s personal life to another man.

    With Alexis, you note that Sam doesn’t like to be mothered. My response? Suck it up bitch. You are experiencing a high risk pregnancy. You need to think of your baby first. You need to have people around you that could be of assistance should you have the need, during your high risk pregnancy. Sam has a mother and sister who would have been ecstatic to help her during this time in her life. Instead, she holds up in a cheap motel and remains there cause her new BFF is next door? Ridiculous!

    In terms of the hotel situation in PC, where was Tea staying? She declined the MC cause Todd was already staying there. Upon visiting John in his hotel room, she was less than impressed with his accommondations. I’m doubting Tea booked a room at that hotel. Todd found her in a parking lot though I don’t recall if that was the hotel’s or the court’s parking lot. If it was the hotel’s parking lot, Sam should have been walking around there instead of the woods.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Her child was endangered by the fact that john could not get back to her. The fact that the baby did not in fact die and only COULD have doesnt change things, but hey if thats the standard then the next time a lizff goes on about the jakenapping or the actors in the park Im going to say well jake did not die and in fact was completely healthy right up til the point liz lost track of him at the carnival so it shouldnt matter that sams behavior was horrible. And yes, sam can apologize right after jason does for threatening to kill her since again not a hair was out of place on jake-y-poos head.

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    mecasey

    Uh, Jake nor Liz have anything to do with my comments about what’s occuring NOW with Jasam.

    Also, I never said Sam’s decisions were horrible. I said her choices have been poor and gave reasons for why I feel as I do. Sam does bear equal responsibility in the current mess that is Jasam. I don’t buy the line that Jason is the big baddie who’s been so fucking terrible to poor, poor Sam. She has contributed just as much to their current state of failure as he has.

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    westvirginiafan

    Sam was raped and dealing with the child she was bearing being from that violence. And she was able to step up and put the child first. Who would want to continue staying with someone who can’t unconditionally support her after that experience? And Alexis is Alexis–loving but incapable of listening. Any wonder Sam wanted some space.
    At some point, Jason and Sonny have to face up to the fact that the individual choices they make (not just the “violent lifestyle) is responsible for real pain. Shooting a cop point blank is wrong even if he isn’t your son. Sending goons to beat up someone who is actually acting as a support for your wife when you go AWOL is wrong. And sometimes those actions cause ripple effects–right now they believe the baby died because it didn’t get to the hospital on time–certainly, it wouldn’t have been switched had McBain been able to get back to the hotel with the car.

    There is actually a chance that Sonny and Jason could be transformed into something other that mob stereotypes and get back to being regularly flawed complicated characters, if they can actually feel some guilt for something they have done. Killing people is wrong. Sending goons wrong. Not stepping up to the plate after your wife has been raped is wrong. And none of those actions have anything to do with self defense. They should take a tip from Matt who, with the extenuating circumstances of being drunk off his ass, thinking Lisa Niles had just murdered someone, and knowing what she is capable of with what she did to his brother and sister in law, still feels real remorse for what he did and wants to pay for what is still, regardless of extenuating circumstances, a crime.

    GH could go back to being a show that does not glorify criminals and that the police or those in power are not always buffoons (Luke might have to think back to when he was mayor as he watches Anna and gets that she there is more to life than finding the next con). Soaps are full of complicated, deeply flawed characters and that’s what makes them interesting. GH finally corrected a great wrong by making Luke have to deal with his family’s repulsion at his having raped Laura. And Alan, Monica, and others all had some despicable acts on their resumes. But they were also capable of remorse for their actual actions and not just because the payback hurt the people around them. How much more interesting can Jason and Sonny become if they actually feel remorse for the choices they have made and how they have hurt their victims. That could be a show worth watching.

    That said, I really do enjoy a good sociopath and having Heather come by for a reign of terror periodically is as welcome as Janet was on All My children.

    And having someone start out tortured by his acts as Johnny is with killing cole and hope, and using connie/kate (and grandpacide may haunt him as well) is a really good sign that if there are going to have to be mob stories, they will actually feature real human beings.

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    TV Gord

    I wish I knew more about Alexis. I only love NLG from Santa Barbara, but I don’t know much about the ins and outs of her character, because she only seems to be propping up other people’s storylines. The only time I really remember her from my earlier time watching GH, she was posing as a butler at the Quarterbraine mansion, and I thought that storyline was way beneath her (and everyone else’s) dignity and talents. If it was supposed to be going for laughs (hopefully it was), it was lost on me.

    I’ll be paying more attention to Alexis in the coming weeks.

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    sassysdreams

    mecasey – Sam gave Alexis several chances to listen but every single time Alexis got distracted by calls from other people needing her “more”. And we all saw that Molly had to be Sam’s lamaze partner because Alexis was too busy to show up due to one of those other people needing her “more”. It was clear that Alexis was not putting Sam first until AFTER she found out about the rape and the child’s paternity and by then it was too late, Sam had already moved out of the PH and into the motel. And after learning about Kristina’s ‘Mob Princess’ reality show, why would Sam or ANYONE have wanted to stay at the lake house?

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    JASAMMABBY

    I always read some people think Sam is rude to Alexis but I just don’t see it. One thing to remember is they didn’t realize they were related till later in life. Alexis didn’t nurture her and Sam didn’t have the benefit of a mother raising her. I love watching them together and love their relationship now but I think it rings true to how it would be in real life. Also- even though you may not agree I don’t see Sam as wanting pity or being a victim here. So Alexis gave her the best support for sure but it also made Sam have to keep reliving it. I think she just wanted some where quite to go to think…

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    mecasey

    Sam should have parked her butt on Alexis couch and waited until she returned. Alexis told Sam clearly she would return ASAP and she did. There was no need for Sam to confide in McBain. She was in her mother’s house. Suck it up. Sit her ass down and wait for her mother. It’s not that difficult.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    WEST VIRGINIA – PREACH!!!

    MeCasey I think its bigger than that – there was a very real time when Alexis was hugely disappointed in everything about sam and now sam is going through a rape which in and of itself carries stigma and shame with it. Alexis for her part was busy and I agree with sassy on that front though I might not be quite as negative in my interpretation of it as she didnt know what exactly it was that sam wanted to talk about. I could see it being very very difficult given the was Alexis felt at the start and then the stigma issues and then trying and not connecting to then come to the house and move in not knowing whether mom and sis are going to see you as damaged. THAT is a very real fear that a rape victim would go through and that would make going to the house not an option. Again I would not judge someone in that position lest youve walked a mile and even then every victims experience would be different. the shame is that jason made this all about HIS needs from the very jump while as West Virginia aptly pointed out Sam made this all about the baby (and I would add at the beginning all about jason)

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    Ravennite613

    Shocking Sam is never even in the least bit wrong on ANY of her decisions

    Here’s one – When Sam left the penthouse even SHE wasn’t sure she could love the baby. So she holds Jason to a higher standard when she wasn’t even convinced. So for that it’s all on her that she left the cushy Penthouse for the fleabag motel.

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    js3557

    Sam’s choices on how to deal with Jason’s issues with the baby put her in that back woods motel. There is more than one hotel in PC because that fact has been mentioned several times over GH’s history. Also, as another poster stated, Tea is not staying at the MetroCourt or the sleazy motel. Sam could have stayed at another hotel, or she could have rented an apartment or a house. She did not have to stay at that motel in the woods.

    She also did not have to leave the relative safety of the motel after the birth. She said that she could not find the clerk, but she could have knocked on doors for someone else to take her to the hospital. She also could have gotten in her own car. There was at least one open road from town seeing as Jason was able to get there. And if she did not feel up to driving, she could have waited at the motel in the hallway and waited for someone to come by. Sam is responsible for her choices.

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    JasamForever

    Just like Liz is responsible for her choices and not locking the front door and being distracted which allowed her toddler to get out and be hit by a car. She should have been paying attention to her children especially given their ages. So if you hold Sam responsible for her son being kidnapped, then I also hold Liz responsible for Jake being killed.

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    Perkie

    [quote; eet]you say you hate spin BECAUSE you equate him with sonny, jason and todd and you use one incident with dante as the be all and end all[/quote]

    Maybe I held Spinelli to a higher standard so the “one” incident is all it took. Sonny’s been a douche since day one and by the sounds of it, since he was 14ish. So those standards don’t change. But Spinelli came on as a somewhat decent person working for Lorenzo to get by. Then he crawled up JAson (and Sonny’s) butt and whatever standards he had flew out the window and he became a yes man to them, no matter the consequence. Did we ever see him disagree with Sason on anything? And while I might have looked the other way for most of it, the straw that broke the camels back for me was the stuff with Dante.

    [quote] I think to watch this show you have to have a certain amount of set asides for some of this stuff [/quote]

    Absolutely. I have set asides for all my faves, because no one has their hands clean (except for Emma!!) So I guess everything that Spinelli witnessed and did and participated in while working for SaSon is the set asides and the planning Dante’s murder is where I drew my line in the sand.

    I dislike the characters that I dislike for various reasons. There’s no way to judge them all by the same litmus test.

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    Perkie

    [quote; mecasey]The only thing Jason is responsible for is the beating of McBain. [/quote]

    But the beating of McBain led directly to Sam losing her child (and I don’t mean Victor Jr dying, I mean Baby Danny being given to another woman). Were it not for Jason’s actions in calling in the hit, John would have driven Sam to the hospital and she’d be lying in that bed, holding Danny.

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    Ravennite613

    Wow another shocker a Sam fan bringing Liz into the mix. It’s not like some weren’t already blaming her for that.

    But I want JaSam, let Sam look like a complete and utter idiot for forgiving Jason AGAIN. The man threatened to kill you, and asked you to give up your kid for adoption all in the name of love according to their fans. Too flipping funny.

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    js3557

    And Liz dealt with feeling responsible and feeling guilty. She even told Luke that it was her fault. Liz does have to accept the fact that she left the door unlocked and deal with that guilt, but taking your eyes off your little kid for a few seconds while you check your mail (done by almost all mothers every day) is not the same as picking up your newborn child (which is naked save a summer scarf) and walking out into the woods with him during a rainstorm.

    I’ve never said Liz was perfect, I just think Sam is much much much worse. :)

    And by the way…my dislike of Sam is not a direct result of my love of Liz. I’ve disliked Sam from the day she appeared on screen. I didn’t like what she did to Jax or Sonny. I’ve never seen her have chemistry with anyone until McBain. My dislike of Sam was reaffirmed in my mind by the things she did to Liz and Cake, but if those things hadn’t happened and Liason hadn’t happened. I still wouldn’t like Sam because I disliked her before all of that did happen.

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    lisa123

    [quote=sassysdreams][quote=Perkie]First of all….YES!! I never said it was logical, it just is. I’ve always said, on paper, I should loath Ric Lansing, and if he was played by anyone other than Rick Hearst, I likely would. Second of all, way to list all the bad things and none of the good things that made up Ric Lansing. Fourth, he was played by the awesomely freakin’ fantastic Rick Hearst. Fifth, have I mentioned Rick Hearst and how very pretty he is.[/quote]

    I completely understand loving an ACTOR but to me there is a difference between an actor and a character! I happen to HATE the character and I don’t recall ANY good things that Ric Lansing ever did in Port Charles. On the other hand, I LOVE both the character and the actor that plays Spinelli!!![/quote]

    But look at your fav (I assume by your avi). She actually married a man that hid a child, fell in love with another woman, then threatened to kill her. Then they decided to replace Jake and instead of tending to his pregnant maybe raped wife, he tells her they should put the kid up for a adoption. Will she forgive him again? Of course she will, I think he could literally pee on her and she’d take him back as they haven’t written Sam with any real self respect in years. But there are Jasam fans that will fight for them together no matter what he doest to her ever…to the death. So Ric Lansing is chump change compared to Jasam who get the majority of screentime over all other characters, and Sam is always written as a crumb snatcher and Jason’s moll who will take whatever part of him she can get no matter how he treats her. And she will again after this, I have no doubt.

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    lisa123

    [quote=JasamForever]Just like Liz is responsible for her choices and not locking the front door and being distracted which allowed her toddler to get out and be hit by a car. She should have been paying attention to her children especially given their ages. So if you hold Sam responsible for her son being kidnapped, then I also hold Liz responsible for Jake being killed.[/quote]

    I could care less about the Jake Replacement Baby and from the looks of the ratings for his birth, I’m not alone. But what Sam IS responsible for is the endangerment of another newborn TWICE. So yeah, she’s worse than Liz could EVER be.

    I have 3 kids, if one of mine got hit by a speeding drunk in my quiet court at 9pm at night everytime I was reading my mail, they’d all be gone. However, I’ve NEVER watched one of them be kidnapped then kept my mouth shut out of jealous resentment, or wanted my man back so bad that I’d stage a pathetic hold up so I could ‘save the day’.

    Again, no comparison, so don’t even try to go there.

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    lisa123

    [quote=EricasEvilTwin]Her child was endangered by the fact that john could not get back to her. The fact that the baby did not in fact die and only COULD have doesnt change things, but hey if thats the standard then the next time a lizff goes on about the jakenapping or the actors in the park Im going to say well jake did not die and in fact was completely healthy right up til the point liz lost track of him at the carnival so it shouldnt matter that sams behavior was horrible. And yes, sam can apologize right after jason does for threatening to kill her since again not a hair was out of place on jake-y-poos head.[/quote]

    Way to stay on topic there.

    Liz wasn’t allowed to go off about Jake to Sam as they were too busy with the big bucket-o-bleach remember? Nobody ever found out what Sam did.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Liz most certainly did go off on Sam for jake and Sam would be the first to tell you she deserved that because she even though she was in the midst of a break down her behavior was terrible, but now its jason with the terrible behavior and STILL the liz fans (or some of them anyways)are blaming sam.

    and while I would never fault liz for taking her eyes off jake in her own home, I DO fault her for never installing new locks or fencing or even simply locking the door going forward and allowing cam to get out in the exact same fashion not all that long after. So much for guilt and shame and being SOOOO much better than sam ever could….oh and yeah why was sam in the middle of a break down – oh yeah because liz boinked her way up the stairs an in to bed with jason knowing jason loved SAM and then she dangled jake in front of jason knowing jasam were engaged and encouraged jason to lie over and over and over again to lie to sam and then she turned her back on jake allowing maureen to kidnap him right out from under him….and why again was liz distracted – oh yeah thats right because she boined her way into NIKS bed knowing he was in love still with emily and then she encouraged nik to lie and lie and lie some more to lucky creating yet another paternity mess….hmmmm so much for learning and for being a good decent person.

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    Perkie

    [quote; eet]and then she encouraged nik to lie and lie and lie [/quote]

    This makes me laugh so hard. Some of the other stuff you want to accuse Liz of, fine. But this? No way no how. On my tv screen, Nik was chasing Liz and while she didn’t make it hard for him to catch her, for him, it was about getting one over on his brother and seeing if he could get the girl. Nik needed no encouragement whatsoever.

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    js3557

    So Liz lures all these men in with her magic vajayjay and then forces them to lie? Really? Come on now. Jason is a grown man who chose to sleep with Liz. He then, as a grown man, chose not to tell Sam about Jake. Liz couldn’t make him do anything he did not want to do. And, for the record, yes Liz walked up the stairs to see Jason, but she was leaving and Jason pulled her back and kissed her. Jason made the conscious choice to get romantical with Liz and then followed that choice through with action. You can’t lay the blame on Liz for Jason’s actions. Liz was free to do what she wanted (cuz Lucky was sleeping with Maxie in Liz’s bed) and Jason was free to do what he wanted (cuz Jasam were broken up and Sam was wiping the floor with Ric at that night). Liz did not stalk Jason. She did not con Jason. She did not force him to do anything he did not want to do.

    If you insist that when people constantly run into eachother in town that they are basically stalking eachother, then the entire town is stalking eachother. Wait…does this mean that because Sam kept running into McBain that she was stalking him and trying to steal him from Natalie?

    As for turning her back on Jake when Maureen kidnapped him….she was tying Cam’s friggin sneaker! Sam certainly wasn’t distracted and watched as the crazy lady stole Jake, but, hey, let’s pick on Liz for tying her other child’s sneaker. Whatever.

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    soapbaby

    Ya know js3557, it never ceases to amaze me that with so little screentime, Liz garners so much conversation. On the other hand, Sam and Maxie are on every single day and barely garner much conversation outside of “I like Sam because she is awesome!” or “I hate Maxie because she is not played by Kirsten Storms!” Hmm, interesting. Also, Liz has NEVER done anything as reprehensible as Sam or Maxie no matter how Sam fans make her out to be the most villainous women in the history of GH!

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    sassysdreams

    [quote=js3557]You can’t lay the blame on Liz for Jason’s actions.[/quote]

    Other than I detest being told what I can or cannot do, if I want to lay the blame on Liz for Jason’s actions I will and I do!!! Deal with it!!! :|

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    js3557

    [quote=sassysdreams][quote=js3557]You can’t lay the blame on Liz for Jason’s actions.[/quote]

    Other than I detest being told what I can or cannot do, if I want to lay the blame on Liz for Jason’s actions I will and I do!!! Deal with it!!! :|[/quote]

    ***********************************************************************
    Hey, if you don’t care that your position is illogical and nonsensical, rock on. As for dealing with it – does laughing my ass off count as dealing with it?

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Perkie I would agree that nik wanted one over on lucky at the time but thats exactly why he would have wanted to TELL lucky, it was LIZ that didnt want lucky to know. Nik wanted an out in the open relationship as he had convinced himself that he had fallen in love with elizabeth (I think he took his feelings for emily and transferred them to liz). So no, it wasnt her magic vajayjay but when someone begs and begs and begs you to stay silent and you are convinced that you love that person its hard not to honor their request. I think nik knew that if he blew the Ll2 relationship out of the water liz would never forgive him.

    As for Jason, he wanted access to jake and he was deferring to jakes mom. And yes, Liz was practically stalking jason. Liz hasnt been at the docks much since then but post the ONS she was practically living there hoping to run in to jason. she was at the PH and she conveniently “left” her scarf. there was even a youtube vid full of scenes like the one where liz was eavesdropping on jasam outside the elevators and it was hysterical – she practically looked like a chaos agent from the old get smart tv show. Its not accidentally running in to someone its allegedly “accidentally” running in to someone when you are suddenly somewhere where youve never been before that makes it look less than accidental. Sam as a PI is always on the docks so running in to mcbain there is not at all unusual. writing her at robins funeral isnt odd because the circumstance was odd and her reasons for being there made sense. the hotel was a bit odd but if you factor in sam running in to him once as coincidence, running in to someone again when you live in the same building isnt at all unusual (that would be like saying todd is stalking carly – OF COURSE todd will run in to carly, he is staying at the MC and she runs it). And certainly Sam going to her mothers house is not STALKING mcbain. I dont see how you can compare that to liz going over to the PH Jason was sharing with sam. NOt at all the same.

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    js3557

    There’s no reason for Liz to be on the docks? Huh? How about the fact that the entire town uses the docks as a means to get pretty much everywhere in PC? How about the fact the docks have been used by every character from the 1980’s to the present day? Liz used to meet her friends on the docks all the time. Nik actually threw a party on the docks during high school. Liz used to run into Jason all the time on the docks before Sam was even on the show. In fact, it was before the PC spinoff existed. She has also met/run into Lucky, Emily, Nik, Luke, Jax, Sonny, Carly, Bobby, Sara, awww hell – just about everyone in PC – on the docks. She used to get hot chocolate and watch the boats on her breaks at work. Saying that she was only on the docks to stalk Jason is just wrong.

    And we have seen her there recently. She was there with Nik, Lucky, Siobhan, Patrick, Matt, and Maxie.

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    JasamForever

    @js3557-Okay. Liz may have been at the docks in the past, but she dang made sure she was at the lighthouse lookout, that Jason frequented, then all of a sudden she loved the tea and scones at Sonny’s new restauraunt, where of course Jason also frequented. Coincidence much, me thinks not. Stalker it is.

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