HomeTVGeneral HospitalGeneral Hospital: Perkie’s Observations Perkie July 19, 2012 56 Comments Dante dreams of JoLu making out and wakes to find Lulu out of bed. She walks in with a bouquet of roses. She thinks are from Dante, but they turn out to be from her partner Johnny. Lulu shows Dante the dress she’s wearing to the opening. He’s concerned about the cost, which Lulu isn’t. Carly wants to be the first paying customer and gives Johnny a ten dollar bill. He says none of this would be possible without her. She tells him she made a deal with Todd to leave Johnny alone. Todd tells Heather to stay away from the party because Blair will be there and he can’t deal with it. He opens his door to find Blair there. He is surprised, claiming the hotel is booked up. Olivia shows up with Blair’s room key and Todd asks her why Blair was allowed to stay at the hotel since he has a deal with Carly. Spinelli tries to duck Maxie at Kelly’s. She wonders if he hates her that much. He says he doesn’t like who he becomes around her. He asks her to respect his decision to cut her out of his life. Maxie says she’s going to the Star party and doesn’t want to go alone. Spin tells her he won’t be her fall back anymore and will not be attending the party. Emma and Patrick pay Anna a visit. They discuss Luke and Anna says she thought he was growing up and that he has a softer side. Anna asks how Patrick is doing and he tells her that Maxie is staying with them and helping with Emma. Anna tells him to ask if there’s anything she can do for him. Heather stops by to see Luke and bring him food. He’s angry, saying he could have died of hunger. He wonders if the police are onto her. She admits she was taken in because of Anthony, but that no one is looking for Luke. Heather says Anna is easily manipulated and has been thrown off the track. Todd calls Carly to yell at her about Blair staying at the hotel. He says he’s going to come after Johnny because of it. Johnny wants Carly to keep her distance from Todd, but she feels she needs to fix this before it gets worse. Spinelli tells Olivia that he failed at his assignment, but she tells him that she saw a skeevy guy at Heather’s door and got his licence plate number. She wants Spinelli to check it out. Spin gets a hit on the plate and realizes that it’s the forger involved in Lisa’s murder. Olivia wonders why Heather would need a forger. Spinelli overhears Maxie call Patrick to invite him to the party with her. Anna gets her forged letter from Luke as Lulu receives hers. Lulu’s letter says Luke isn’t ready for the long haul and that Lulu may feel the same someday towards Dante. Anna’s letter says he didn’t kill Anthony, but took off because it wasn’t going to work out between them. Lulu stops by to show Anna her letter. Anna’s more annoyed that Luke walked out on his daughter, but Lulu says she’s used to it. She was worried about him when she saw Heather at the Star that day. Anna asks to keep Lulu’s letter. Dante drops by to see Johnny and to warn him not to send his wife flowers or other gifts. Johnny says he’s happy with Carly and has no interests in Lulu, but that Dante needs to smarten up. When Lulu shows up, Johnny tells her about his visit with Dante and how her husband wants her all to himself. Blair shows up at Todd’s door to ask that they play nice for Starr’s sake. She asks to speak with Todd alone, after the party is done. She admits that Tomas is not with her. Carly shows up and the two women make small talk. After Blair leave, Carly asks Todd not to take anything out on Johnny. Todd no longer cares about Johnny. Tomas didn’t come with Blair and believes that Blair wants to get back together with him. He tells Carly that she needs to help him get Blair back or else. Carly tells him to ask nicely, so Todd says please. Olivia runs into Dante and tells him that Heather is in cahoots with a forger. Spinelli goes to Anna and tells her the same thing and wonders why Heather would need the services of a forger. Luke says Heather won’t be able to keep this up, that someone will catch her or find him. Heather wants them to start a life together and that Luke will love her someday. Luke yells that she can’t make him love her, but Heather says she can provide the right incentive. 56 Responses pjc722 July 19, 2012 So the dorky/nerdy PI and the conceirge at a hotel in a sleepy town in upstate New York are telling the police what they should know about a recently released, supposed to be under constant supervision mental patient is doing in town. Next thing that will happen is that Emma will tell grandma all about Heather’s deeds. Log in to Reply mipeony July 19, 2012 Blair and Carly were friendly to one another both today and on Blair’s first visit to GH. I wonder how long it will last? Luke doesn’t leave letters behind, he just leaves people behind. When in the many, many years of Luke just up and leaving has he ever put a pen to paper to write down his thoughts to his loved ones? Never. I wonder who they’ll put Dante with next if him and Lulu split? Log in to Reply The_Moustache July 19, 2012 UGH ffs, ONCE AGAIN there was too much of that weirdo Spinelli again. Writers/Producers get the hint, all the audience doesn’t want him on the show anymore! Log in to Reply soapjunkie88 July 19, 2012 Lulu should know that her dad isn’t sitting down and writing any letters. Common!!! I hope that Anna isn’t written stupid here and finally makes the connection between Heather and a missing Luke. The JoLu moment was just a dream. Oh well… But it was nice anyway and I expected it. Johnny sending his business partner flowers might be one thing but red roses … to her apartment? After knowing that Dante had a problem with him and Lulu working together? Someone is being a little shady here … even though I don’t mind. LOL Blair’s back in town and it drives Todd a little crazy. So fun to watch!!!! Like I said before, I love the friendship between him and Carly. I hope they keep it friends-only. It was nice to see no Sonny, Joe Jr., Kate, Trey or NuKristina. I can do well without this messed up group. -.- Log in to Reply sassysdreams July 19, 2012 Emma is just adorable! Flowers are an appropriate gesture for opening night but red roses? Johnny is definitely being a trouble maker! Come on Cartini. Lulu should know her father well enough to know that the letter isn’t Luke’s style. Enjoyed watching Spinelli give Maxie the cold shoulder and doing his PI work!! LOVED that he brought his Heather news straight to Anna!!! Heather is totally insane! Log in to Reply sassysdreams July 19, 2012 [quote=soapjunkie88]It was nice to see no Sonny, Joe Jr., Kate, Trey or NuKristina. I can do well without this messed up group.[/quote] I totally agree!! Log in to Reply stefanstavros July 19, 2012 I have been LOVING the absence of Jason (Morgan, not Vorhees hehe)! Sooooo nice! I would like to state how wonderful it is that Anna Devane is back in our orbit. She has been SO sorely missed! She is by far the “strongest” link in the GH cast. And…on a final note: Cartini, thank you, thank you, thank you for keeping my beloved OLTL alive on this show! When I watched Wednesday’s scenes with only Todd and Blair in the room it hit me again how grateful I am that, in effect, OLTL is still alive! Log in to Reply Perkie July 19, 2012 Forget about whether Luke would write a letter or not, do people in general write letters nowadays. (My 74 year old mother just sent me one yesterday but she doesn’t have internet!!) Wouldn’t Luke have just tweeted “see ya biatches” on his twitter account before taking off?!!!! Log in to Reply tealita July 19, 2012 The little girl who plays Emma is a treasure. She lights it all up. I’m sure she has a great future in front of her. Log in to Reply BigFan July 19, 2012 Don’t know what world you live in but I love Spinelli. Log in to Reply The_Moustache July 19, 2012 [quote=BigFan]Don’t know what world you live in but I love Spinelli.[/quote] Log in to Reply alexrochet July 19, 2012 And Todd is on for the 12th day in a row… Anybody wants to bet that RH will be the Number 1 of episode counts for the second month in a row? Can’t stand that airhog anymore… But I am still going to thank Cartini… Because seeing JoLu making out was just like a dream come true. Too bad that it was just too short… and a dream! Dante is such a douche, he would like Lulu to remain a fileclerk at the PCPD instead of seeing her happy of doing something that motivates her. He just wants to control her as usual. LOVED JOHNNY SENDING FLOWERS TO LULU!!!! And Dante was pathetic going to Johnny. Having never lost one opportunity to blame Johnny of everything on earth (even accusing him of trying to kill Kristina because of the Lopez brothers murder when it was his own daddy who was behind all that), why would Johnny agree to do what Dante is ordering him to do? He risked his life protecting Dante’s cover only to see Dante embrassing his daddy’s witchunt against everything Zaccharah! Karma is a b*tch so Go to hell Dumbte! And good riddance! I am a Lulu fan first but seeing JoLu back together reminded me why I liked them so much at the time and why I hate what Lulu has become since she has been paired with Dante Corinthos. I seeing glimpses of my beloved Lulu lately because she has been allowed to have scenes without Dante! FREE LULU!!!! Log in to Reply FaisonFanInTexas July 19, 2012 I love Spinelli! :love: AND Bradford! Log in to Reply stephanieleo July 19, 2012 ha ha ha he ugly Log in to Reply TV Gord July 19, 2012 bishbay, I think it’s awful that you call him “potato-faced” (and almost as much that you put “actor” in quotes). A little maturity please… Log in to Reply JasonMorganIsAHottie July 19, 2012 I love Spinelli and BA too! I will take Spinelli over Sonny any day. Log in to Reply Mobb Ish July 19, 2012 Spinelli has finally grew a pair where Maxie is concerned… He seems to be getting his Cyber skills back, yet not as nerdy as before! I see the writers maturing him alot and I’m glad he’s there. Todd has never been such a PUNK!!! I would’ve rathered to see the otherTodd (Victor) because this guy on GH is not repping right! How long will this Joe Jr/Kate/Trey/Sonny s/l last….. boooooring!!! I know the after affect will be alot more intriguing than the build up because I could do w/o… Now they give Kate a BIG s/l, wish they could’ve done this with the oldKate. I need my Sonny & Jason fix… the only reason I like this show, hence my name Mobb Ish… Log in to Reply js3557 July 19, 2012 Apparently my local ABC affiliate thought that thunderstorms were more important than GH, so when I went to watch my dvr recording of GH, it was all weather maps. Oddly, I didn’t really get upset. That’s sad. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin July 19, 2012 I thought it was an unwritten rule around here that we dont actor bash – and i recall a great many conversations that centered around the idea that bashing the performance or the wardrobe or the hair and make up wash germane to critiquing the show but that aspects the actors physical appearance that were not alterable (ie someones nose, the size of their breasts, their height, etc) would not be tolerated. I think we made an exception for those times where they have plastic surgery that impedes the work. most of us abide by that. Is there some – this applies to everyone but …. rule? Are there others on this list of attackable individuals? Log in to Reply Cyberologist July 19, 2012 [quote=alexrochet]And Todd is on for the 12th day in a row… Anybody wants to bet that RH will be the Number 1 of episode counts for the second month in a row? Can’t stand that airhog anymore…[/quote] co-sign I just don’t think ‘any’ character needs to be on every damn day. Most of the time saying the same thing…I just don’t recall Todd Manning being like this basically he’s Heather’s byeoch. Some of his fans say they like him being written different… it some don’t. OLTL crossovers gets plenty of story (& Heather)…while my poor Elizabeth is suffocating with a plastic bag over her head on the bench….a lot of airtime is used in repetitive dialog…IMO there are a lot of characters on the canvas. Since these actors are coming from the east coast they seem to rotate e.g. Blair returns while John McBain is gone however he’ll come back; Starr will return hog air……I still think more OLTL crossovers are coming seems to be Carlintini primary investment to keep them in front & center. Log in to Reply TV Gord July 19, 2012 Correct me if I’m wrong, but the last writing team didn’t want to write for Elizabeth, either, right? I mean, didn’t they actually write her OFF and there was a fan outcry that kept her on the show. So, she’s still on the show, but they STILL don’t want to write about her. None of that has a thing to do with the more recent OLTL arrivals. There are going to be backburnered characters on every soap, and it doesn’t matter who’s on the frontburner. If the writers don’t want to write for certain characters, they just won’t. It’s not the fault of the ones who are on the frontburner. Log in to Reply liason4real July 19, 2012 Correct me if I’m wrong, but the last writing team didn’t want to write for Elizabeth, either, right? ====== IMO it was backstage drama with Frons who wanted RH gone because of the JaSam vs Liason fan wars. Also, GW was pairing Liz with Matt and then Jason Cook was let go. Liz was being paired with Nathin Butler (Ewen) and he’s now recurring. I hope RC is waiting around for JJ to come back to GH. Log in to Reply bishbay July 19, 2012 TV Gord, thanks for sharing your opinion of my comments and my maturity. I appreciate your candor, but I won’t share my opinions of your contributions, as I am too mature to be witheringly critical of a fellow poster on a daytime television board. Best, bb Log in to Reply bishbay July 19, 2012 EET, your unwritten rules bore me. Have a great day, bb Log in to Reply TV Gord July 19, 2012 [quote=bishbay]I won’t share my opinions of your contributions, as I am too mature to be witheringly critical of a fellow poster on a daytime television board.[/quote] It’s a message board. It’s all about opinions. Feel free. Why should I be treated any better than the disgraceful way you treated the actor who plays Spinelli? Log in to Reply bishbay July 19, 2012 TV Gord, you need to read the definition of the word “disgraceful” and ponder that meaning vis a vis the world we live in. My calling a potatoface a potatoface is not “disgraceful.” And the difference between you and Hungry Jack Spinelli is that you’re not a desperately bad element on a TV show I enjoy, and therefore not really someone I care to criticize (except obliquely, as I did both in this post and my first note to you–but that’s just a bit of fun). God bless, bb Log in to Reply TV Gord July 19, 2012 All right, bishbay. I think calling someone a name derogatory based on their appearance is disgraceful, but obviously you don’t. We’ll agree to disagree. Log in to Reply thecourt99 July 19, 2012 [quote=TV Gord]Correct me if I’m wrong, but the last writing team didn’t want to write for Elizabeth, either, right? I mean, didn’t they actually write her OFF and there was a fan outcry that kept her on the show. So, she’s still on the show, but they STILL don’t want to write about her. None of that has a thing to do with the more recent OLTL arrivals. There are going to be backburnered characters on every soap, and it doesn’t matter who’s on the frontburner. If the writers don’t want to write for certain characters, they just won’t. It’s not the fault of the ones who are on the frontburner.[/quote] When Cartini came on board they promised to do things differently and get the show back to where it used to be (it was either their promise or the hype around them), so saying that Guza or GW didn’t write for Liz either doesn’t matter much. I was looking for something different from the new regime that included the characters that weren’t written for in the past. I was not looking for the same old same. Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY July 20, 2012 Hmmmm- on the FB page for GH they took out Dante and put in McBain.. It has always been a source of annoyment to me when people want to blame Kelly for Becky not being on. I really don’t think it has to do with Kelly IMHO. However this week has been no Kelly and Becky.. So it’s not like if there is no Sam you will see a ton of Becky. Lucky I have been at the beach all week so I haven’t missed my girl. I would love to know where the show is headed though. Is he just taking core people from GH and splitting them with core OLTL peeps?? I would love to just see a little of everything- little mob with Jason and Johnny, police action with (Lucky please) and Dante, PI action with Sam and Lulu, cool spy stuff with Anna and , Piz at the hospital and of course some Q fighting.. Maybe bring back Dillion to try and fight Michael for the company.. Of course that is my perfect world not everybody else’s. As far back as I can remember I have never been into every story going on. If they showcased 4 a day it was usually just two I tuned in for. However I didn’t mind sticking around for the others just to see the ones I was interested in.. I guess we will see where this is going… Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin July 20, 2012 What I dont get is we ARE seeing way more of Liz (and alexis and tracy) than we did under GW and GUZA – the show is better balanced – and it seems the criticism always seems to come down to specifically whether or not the HW is writing FOR LIZ. I wish tracy and alexis were on more but the reality is that they are supporting characters. So too is liz. When Robin comes back the show will have four lead actresses – Kemo, LW, FH and KiM. I think if KiM doesnt come back, my guess is you would see JMB more in that fourth slot. I would say keSul is a lead but with an * by her name – shes only a lead for the duration of the skate pairing. if at any time they bust them up my guess is she could easily be written off. shes getting lead type story and shes getting lead type airtime, but by nature solely of her pairing – no sonny pairing and that goes away. I know Liz fans wish she was a lead, I know Liz fans feel she deserves to be a lead, but she is NOT a lead. As for a pairing, I think part of JC going was that neither the pairing with liz nor the pairing with maxie 2.0 worked all that well, he had projects a plenty for the summer and kirsten wasnt ready to come back at that point. I would also assume BA is cheaper, so maybe they figure they have that pairing or say a potential joMax pairing and i would bet johnny too is cheaper than JC. the chemistry with NB was a total flop. If they feel that they have found lightening in a bottle with mcbam and the decide to repair jason with liz instead of chem testing him around the canvas (which is what they should do because honestly having him jump right back to her makes her the consolation prize and that doesnt really scream root for us) then she will be on more and might eventually become a lead as the result of that pairing, but for now she is not a lead. that was true under guza it was true under wolfe and now its true under cartini. Bishbay Im sorry i bored you, but I didnt have that convo alone, it has been a convo that weve had repeatedly here and at tfo before it became dc. In fact, when i use to call liz nicknames – which i might have to go back to if they repair her with jason – i said you all are acting like Im picking on the actress. I bet if I called liz potato face this place would melt down. The thing is I never would because Liz’s face IS in fact rebeccas face. would you walk up to bradford and call him potato face? would you walk up to anyone and call them potato face? Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY July 20, 2012 Testify EET!!! :love: Log in to Reply J Bernard Jones July 20, 2012 EET. it seems we are on the same page…again (posted similar thoughts just before you! LOL). Log in to Reply TV Gord July 20, 2012 ssssssssssssssswwwweeeeeeeeee”EET”!!!! Log in to Reply TV Gord July 20, 2012 And appreciation to you, too, JBJ. (Your name is harder to work into the perfect word for you…someday it’ll come to me!) Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY July 20, 2012 @ tvg How about JuuubbileeJ- OK it sounds a little gross! However I am sending out a “PREACH IT” to JBJ!!! Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY July 20, 2012 On a side note do any of you soap savvy watchers know anything about the Television Critics Association? I heard FV was going to be there and was bringing MO, ME, SB, Kemo, LW, NLG, TG, JE and JT.. Log in to Reply bishbay July 20, 2012 I appreciate that EET was civil in her response but come on folks, that wasn’t exactly a burn. And no, I wouldn’t call Spuds Anderson “Potatoface” to his face, but I am essentially gossiping about him, and in gossip you do say things about people you wouldn’t say to their faces. I don’t see what the big deal is, and invoking unwritten rules is just silly — if you want to get the site owners involved, by all means do, but don’t try to force your taste on other posters. Log in to Reply TV Gord July 20, 2012 Well, your original post was already removed before your latest post, so I think those unwritten rules carry some weight. Log in to Reply bishbay July 20, 2012 Hooray for censorship! Log in to Reply TV Gord July 20, 2012 Hooray for class. Log in to Reply J Bernard Jones July 20, 2012 TV Gord wrote: Correct me if I’m wrong, but the last writing team didn’t want to write for Elizabeth, either, right? I mean, didn’t they actually write her OFF and there was a fan outcry that kept her on the show. So, she’s still on the show, but they STILL don’t want to write about her. None of that has a thing to do with the more recent OLTL arrivals. There are going to be backburnered characters on every soap, and it doesn’t matter who’s on the frontburner. If the writers don’t want to write for certain characters, they just won’t. It’s not the fault of the ones who are on the frontburner. thecourt99 responded When Cartini came on board they promised to do things differently and get the show back to where it used to be (it was either their promise or the hype around them), so saying that Guza or GW didn’t write for Liz either doesn’t matter much. I was looking for something different from the new regime that included the characters that weren’t written for in the past. I was not looking for the same old same. I would caution that just because Frank Valentini & Ron Carlivati might have said that they would do things “differently” does not mean that they would do things exactly the way some fans would like, wish or otherwise hope would happen. One extreme example is that one poster here has continually remarked in various threads that Valentini/Carlivati “promised” that “the mob” would be phased out of Port Charles. I have never seen or read these specific phantom promises, but GH — while still full of mob characters — isn’t nearly as much about mob ACTIVITY anymore (turf wars, blowing up ships & warehouses in the harbor, stealing coffee beans from Starbucks shipments)…and this is at least loosely keeping in the spirit of what the poster has been…saying…for months. Yes, there are characters who are in or tied to the mob….and there are many stories that Carlivati has retread from his time at OLTL (what new head writer has not borrowed elements of their own themes or stories from previous or recent gigs??), but GH as a whole is not nearly “mob-storyline centered” anymore — something “the fans” have been clamoring for a long time. To that end, traditional soap operas operate on an A/B/C story structure (B&B seems stuck at an A-story structure from what I hear). GH is, for better or worse, no different. The Unholy Reign of Heather Webber/The Great Port Charles-Llanview Baby Switch of 2012 is, in one way or another, roping in a lot of different characters to varying degrees within the A-story. What’s new or to be criticized about an A-story’s characters being front & center in an A-story? Here’s a hint: where does one think the term “front burner” comes from? And, while I am only slightly sympathetic to the new soap-meme about “airhogs,” if memory serves GH had THREE “airhogs” — Sonny, Jason and Carly — for the better part of TEN YEARS. Most recently, the flood of complaints were about Dante’s “airhog” exposure. That several characters under Carlivati, new or transplanted, have had a lot of screen time in the last few months or weeks while THOSE characters have been reduced in airtime (after LITERALLY YEARS of complaints by fans to do just that) doesn’t seem to be all that big a deal. Also, it would do us well to consider that Valentini (and therefore Carlivati) have multiple agendas and masters to juggle: what the network wants — and doesn’t want, the limitations of ever-tightening budgets, actor contracts & availability and so on. Sometimes actors are scheduled for vacation; sometimes planned storylines get altered because of unexpected circumstances (rumors/reports of the devastating affects of the recent death of John Ingle’s wife on Mr. Ingle reportedly caused major rewrites or delays of new Quartermaine intrigue is just one example). Just because “fan favorite” characters aren’t featured the way some of us want them to be doesn’t always mean it is the direct fault or control of the producer and writers. Finally, in the case of Elizabeth and her portrayer Rebecca Herbst, fan outcry might have kept the beloved Ms. Herbst in a job, but the character of Elizabeth has nearly as many detractors & haters as there are supporters. So the character is not exactly universally revered — or wanted. Personally, I would certainly love to see Elizabeth (a character that was once DESPISED by fans until she was raped and Lucky “saved” her and she reformed her young, chain smoking bitchy ways) in some juicy story, too. I give credit to Valentini/Carlivati for at least TRYING to find something for Elizabeth, even if it’s a bit all over the map, whether it is the on/off dating with Dr. Ewen or stoking the “Jason/Elizabeth” fires — something else fans of THAT couple have been screaming for for years, as well. The fact that Herbst still has employment in a faltering industry on a show that is skating on thin ice where she was thisclose to being put out to pasture is — still — great news, in my opinion. Log in to Reply GHLVR July 20, 2012 J. Bernard Jones…I find you very insightful and well spoken. Always look forward to your comments….and I always agree with them. Log in to Reply bishbay July 20, 2012 Gord, spare me. Your posts are overpraised and underquality. Log in to Reply TV Gord July 20, 2012 THERE you go! After not wanting to “share my opinions of your contributions, as I am too mature to be witheringly critical of a fellow poster on a daytime television board”, you finally took me up on my offer to go ahead and criticize me. Well done! I knew you had it in you! Log in to Reply bishbay July 20, 2012 Sweety, I criticized you three posts ago–the bit about not wanting to because of maturity was, as I indicated, tongue-in-cheek. But enjoy your “win.” You’re still a really wan contributor. Log in to Reply TV Gord July 20, 2012 Ha ha. You have a good night, too. Log in to Reply sassysdreams July 20, 2012 EET – Bravo!! :love: JASAMMABBY – I posted an explanation to the TCA’s in the Forums – GH Spoilers section along with some new spoilers. Log in to Reply js3557 July 20, 2012 [quote=J Bernard Jones]Finally, in the case of Elizabeth and her portrayer Rebecca Herbst, fan outcry might have kept the beloved Ms. Herbst in a job, but the character of Elizabeth has nearly as many detractors & haters as there are supporters. So the character is not exactly universally revered — or wanted. Personally, I would certainly love to see Elizabeth (a character that was once DESPISED by fans until she was raped and Lucky “saved” her and she reformed her young, chain smoking bitchy ways) in some juicy story, too. I give credit to Valentini/Carlivati for at least TRYING to find something for Elizabeth, even if it’s a bit all over the map, whether it is the on/off dating with Dr. Ewen or stoking the “Jason/Elizabeth” fires — something else fans of THAT couple have been screaming for for years, as well. The fact that Herbst still has employment in a faltering industry on a show that is skating on thin ice where she was thisclose to being put out to pasture is — still — great news, in my opinion.[/quote] The problem I have with this argument is that many characters are hated and loved in almost equal amounts and still get stories and air time. Take Sam for example. I think everyone can agree that she is revered by many and hated by many, just like Liz. Yet, Sam is shoved in our faces constantly. And the argument that she is a lead is faulty. Yes, she is technically still a lead based on her current contract, but a lead is supposed to carry the show and bring in ratings. None of the current leads are bringing in ratings, and Jasam big events that are promoted out the wazoo (they actually mailed out fortune cookies to promote their wedding if you can believe that) receive some of the lowest ratings. There is also Dante. Fans seem to either love him or hate him, and do each with a passion. Yet, he is also constantly on screen (it has been better lately). I just don’t think the argument that Liz is both hated and loved explains away her lack of story. RH is a talented actress with an extremely large fan base (she received more fan support than Deidre Hall did when she was fired). She should have a story. Is Rh lucky to have a job? Yes. And so is everyone else on the show, so that doesn’t matter much either. Maybe this show needs to switch up its leads if it wants to surive? Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY July 20, 2012 Thank you Sassy!!! Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin July 21, 2012 Bishbay i dont know what the rules are AT PRESENT. I will state that right up front. And I get your point that gossip might not need to be held to the same standards of daily convo. That said, the rules at tfo were very specific and the prohibited actor bashing. the discussion i mentioned was one we had for literally pages – and i suspect this was before you joined – but it centered around what is actor bashing EXACTLY since the rule of no actor bashing meant different things to different things. I can only tell you what the vast majority of posters decided we sort of universally considered to be actor bashing. look, im the last person in the world who believes in censorship. it GALLED me to no end that some people had such a coronary about liz nicknames when they were aokay with sonny nicknames and i thought it was silly to be getting all up in arms about a fictional character, but when the criticism is one that doesnt go to the performance and goes to who the actor is as a person – esp. when its not something they did to themselves – like lets say over doing the tanning or getting plastic surgery or getting a stupid haircut, then thats a bit different but potato face is really something about bradfords looks at it reads mean. You are such a creative thinker, why not find a way to bust on spinelli WITHOUT slamming bradford? then I will be 100% behind your right to free speech even if I do like the character. Ill just laugh the same way i do when you trash sam. JS – the ratings for soaps have been declining for the last ten years. the ratings for jasam in 05 were higher than the ratings for liason in 07. that had nothing to do with rebecca and steve and EVERYTHING to do with changing audiences. And ALL during that time the true and only real LEAD LEAD for the show was sonny and that has been the case in feast and in famine. to suggest that making the lead becky and three other random characters would save the show solely from that change alone is absurd. now if they did that AND coupled it with vastly better writing or a pairing that captures the imagination then maybe so but vastly better writing would help imho no matter who the leads were. All that said, the bottom line is that right now becky is not a lead. to complain that the show is poorly balanced based solely on her not being MADE a lead is nonsensical. the show IS better balanced. she IS getting more airtime and appropriately so. she has just not been made a lead and for whatever reason none of the writing regimes have agreed with your take that she should be made in to a lead. they must be seeing SOMETHING in terms of viewer response that we are not seeing ourselves wouldnt you think. Log in to Reply TV Gord July 21, 2012 EET, that post made me feel like Fred Willard in a pornhouse! How refreshing! Thanks for that! (I’ll leave a $20 on the dresser.) Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY July 21, 2012 I have seen on various message boards the die hard Liasons trying to make plans to riase the ratings on the Liason key days like the playing pool and kissing day. However the ratings were just as low on these days with the Liason crowd trying to rally. Of course I hear constantly that if Liason were put back together and Jake alive suddenly the ratings would soar but that’s hard for me to buy. I think alot of people left after the Jasam 1.0 breakup and throwing Sam under the bus. I know I hated seeing my girl thrown under the bus for Liason. The little ratings bump they got during the Liason time I think were for the come backs of Robin and Laura.. I know that and still watching Kemo is the only reason I stayed tuned. If Liason fans couldn’t stay tuned just to watch RH then they aren’t true soap fans to me.. Again just my opinion.. I am a jasam shipper but as long as Kemo is still on and I have a story that intrigues me I will watch. I guess to me you can’t just watch a soap for only one actress or one couple.. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin July 21, 2012 LOL TVGord – Ill take that 20 too!! Maybe Ill buy a stack of Soap Digest Magazines in your honor lol. JaSammbaby I think the summer of sleaze did effect ratings. In general I dont think fans like seeing major characters being written out of character and that happened with all four characters if you ask me, even if sam and lucky’s characters got the worst of it. Remember too we had the strike and imho the strike writers tossed out a lot of stuff abruptly and then when the strike ended guza threw out what they were working on and in both cases that to me seemed extremely childish – like my stuff is gold and anything YOU thought off couldnt be as good as what comes out of my mind. I think all those lurches in the stories didnt help retain and attract viewers. I also think we are doing some of this ourselves. if you look at the sample size for neilsens it doesnt seem from what i understand to be the mammoth. if we start playing games – lets sink the ratings on this pairings days and lets raise them on ours and oh yeah lets only watch on you tube or on line if our favorite doesnt get the airtime and story we want and hey lets vote with our remote etc. etc – we are going to torpedo the show and if the show goes under all the pairings and all the characters/actors lose out. All the nonsense leaves me SMDH. Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin July 23, 2012 With respect to JaSam – todays gh poll on facebook was what couple are you currently rooting for – and if you look at the answers the number one answer by far is JaSam. Could some people have multiple facebook accounts? I suppose, but not to the extent that you would see with say an sod poll. Log in to Reply JASAMMABBY July 23, 2012 @ EET- That is why I would say the writers look to it to see what a majority of watchers want to see. Not all I am know- but I am sure it is a good show of the daily reactions to the shows.. PrettY much ditto to everything you said BTW.. Log in to Reply js3557 July 24, 2012 EET – I think the only thing nonsensical was your interpretation of my post. I never said that Liz should be a lead. (would i like that? sure… but i don’t care whether she’s supporting or lead as long as she has a good story) I said that maybe there should be new leads. I never said who should be leads. The show has gone down in ratings over the last ten years. The main focus of the last ten years has been the mob.I think the mob should be put on the backburner and the show should focus on relationships and the hospital again. They should pick the new leads based on popularity, chemistry, and potential storylines. I also never said that one couple should carry the ratings for the show. I said that Jasam hasn’t pulled in decent ratings for their promoted special events. A couple who is promoted constantly and is allegedly a supercouple should be able to pull in good numbers for their reunion and especially for their wedding. Even Spixie’s non-wedding had better ratings than Jasam’s. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.