Will Someone Just Tell The Young and The Restless’ Eric Braeden to STFU Already?





What a difference five years makes. When I first started blogging for Daytime Confidential, I applauded The Young and the Restless' leading man Eric Braeden (Victor) for speaking out in the press. We soap lovers have a tendency to support the actors during backstage drama. After all, they're the ones who come into our living rooms every day, so they have to be right. Right? Not always.

One contract negotiation drama too many, alongside his head-in-the-sand defense of disastrous, socialite showrunner Maria Arena Bell, has me saying enough is enough. In the August 27 issue of CBS Soaps In Depth, Braeden blows hard about how wrong Bell's much-needed ouster is for the show. Said Braeden:

"I have no idea why the changes were made, he adds, shaking his head. "The powers in charge have their reasons, but I found it completely upsetting!'


 

Uh, since when do Sony TV Prexy Steve Kent and/or CBS Daytime Chief Angelica McDaniel owe Braeden any explanation for what they're doing to try to save this show? Of course Braeden finds the firing of a head writer/executive producer, who co-signed Victor getting to bed one 30-something woman after another on this soap opera, "upsetting". I can bet you one thing, Braeden's current leading lady, Sharon Case (Sharon) doesn't feel the same way! 

And please, spare me the invocation of the Bill Bell legacy everytime you want to speak about why giving MAB the boot was wrong. The late, great Bell would have been mortified at "So Long, Sister Killer"; Greg Rikaart being dressed as a chipmunk to rob banks and Kay Chancellor (Jeanne Cooper) and her 100-year-old husband flying a plane to the rescue on this serial, among countless other MAB storyline stink bombs.

I have long been a proponent of supporting daytime's veteran players—and will continue to do so—but there is something very wrong about a show called "The Young and the Restless" where a 70-something megalomaniac (Victor, not Eric), who never loses, is still driving every freaking story. It isn't 1988 anymore.

Look at TNT's brilliant reboot of Dallas. JR (Larry Hagman), Bobby (Patrick Duffy), Sue Ellen (Linda Gray) and Cliff (Ken Kercheval) are still viable, but the action has been masterfully refocused on their offspring. Y&R must do the same thing if it wants to stay on the air. 

That doesn't mean vapid stories for Valley Girl Summer or dim-witted villain-in-training Daisy (Yvonne Zima). It means sexy, smart stories, driven by the dynamic actors representing the next generation of Newmans, Abbotts, Chancellors, Winters, etc, with their parents and grandparents along for the ride.

It makes absolutely no sense that billionaire Nicholas Newman (Joshua Morrow) still has to go to his daddy, hat in hand, when Phyllis (Michelle Stafford) gets into trouble for a pesky hit-and-run 20 years ago. Or, that even after causing his daughter Victoria (Amelia Heinle) to lose custody of one child after another, Victor still gets to "win" every scene with her by hissing about "how dare" Vicki be mad at her father, or have the audacity to speak to him that way. I think if my dad hired a hooker to drug and sleep with my spouse, I'd be allowed to at least win one argument with him!

We all know Braeden allegedly demands those scenes to end this way. It's the biggest non-secret in the industry that the actor won't allow his character to be spoken to in a certain manner, which makes for absolutely no dramatic impact to his storylines. if Braeden had been cast in the new Dallas, he would have likely made Cynthia Cidre re-write the scene where John Ross (Josh Henderson) threatened to put JR in a home. Or, he would have ad-libbed: "How DARE YOU?! I will put YOU in a HOME! Got that?"

When no one can ever best Victor in a scene or a business deal, where's the fun in watching? It's a sad day when Bobby or Cliff can take down JR for an entire season on the most popular soap opera of all time, but Jack (Peter Bergman) nor Adam (Michael Muhney) ever beat TGVN for more than a couple of weeks on Y&R.

 When Y&R's ratings were better, I was okay with Braeden's blustering, bellowing and holding this show hostage. Not anymore. If he can't learn to be a team player on an ensemble soap opera, then I can't think of any producer better to show him just how dispensable a former soap superstar can be than one Jill Farren Phelps

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  1. Profile photo of soapjunkie88
    soapjunkie88

    Is anyone really surprised about this???

    In Eric Braeden’s mind he had under Maria Arena Bell EVERYTHING he needed. She made sure that he would still get enough money and he was the star of the show under her. He drove major storylines and got paired with all the women he wanted to be paired with.

    Jill Farren Phelps is going to change this. She doesn’t see a 71-year old man as the future of this show nor is she going to treat him like he’s still in his 20s.

    This interview just proves Eric Braeden’s arrogance and his ignorance.

    Not to mention that there are rumors about sexual harassment going around that are just nasty if you can put two and two together.

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    pennywise555

    I don’t want Victor to be gone but he needs to be on the back-burner. But if he’s let go (or on the back-burner) just so another old male character can play the Victor role, don’t bother. Now that we are getting a daily dose of Tucker or should I say Victor #2, I can see it doesn’t matter who’s playing the role.

    No one wants to watch a show where all the characters except one ( now two) are stupid and powerless. What a joke!

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    thecourt99

    So is EB no longer allowed to speak out? No one has to agree with him. I personally believe it was past time for MAB to leave and maybe EB is looking out for his best interests here because he won’t get the same benefits he enjoyed under MAB. But no need to STFU. He can still say his piece.

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    madog57

    shut up & stop you’re bashing or stop watching the show Eric is the show and why are you compairing it ti Dallas Larry Hagman is a 100 years old & he doesn’t compair to Victor because he can’t get around like him. i can’t stand people watching shows & doing nothing but complaini ng when all they need to do is don’t watch!!!

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    Darlotto99

    Im sorry but i completely disagree with this articul the vets have every right to complain about SONY desition. They put the worst person in charge of this show who has destroyed how many shows? It would be different if CBS hired the woman who is in charge of the Dallas to do double duty, but JFP. EB and other vets see a disaster in the making and are smart for questioning this hiring, even if it means their job is on the line. Sometimes you have to go with your heart, over the almight $$ bc no doubt stars like Eric Braeden and Jeanne Cooper love Y&R and what it should be. SONY won’t be in control of this show for very long bc the Bells, CBS wont let JFP reign last long.

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    Smitty

    I used to be a really big fan of the Victor Newman character but these last two/three years he’s just gotten to be too much. If this is because of Eric’s demands then he should have never been given the authority to do so. Victor being with Sabrina, Diane (deSORASed), and Sharon is just disgusting on so many levels. Nothing appealing about a grandpa sleeping with women young enough to be his daughter…wait..scratch that old enough to be his granddaughters.

    If Eric Braeden can honestly look at Y&R and say MAB shouldn’t have been fired then maybe it’s time for him to retire. The show is a mess.

    I will say Eric Braeden does have a right to speak out but come on dude it’s not like Maria Arena Bell was the next coming of Bill Bell. She is a hack and will go down as one of the KILLERS of Y&R!

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=madog57]shut up & stop you’re bashing or stop watching the show Eric is the show and why are you compairing it ti Dallas Larry Hagman is a 100 years old & he doesn’t compair to Victor because he can’t get around like him. i can’t stand people watching shows & doing nothing but complaini ng when all they need to do is don’t watch!!![/quote]
    Maria is that you!? I wanted to talk to you in such a long time…

    No with all seriousness … well if I can bring myself to it.

    Eric is the show!?!?!?
    It’s a soap opera with an ENSEMBLE CAST. There are many people who don’t watch that show for Mr. Braeden. If they would all turn out their telly, Y&R would be canceled.

    But you are right with one thing, Larry Hagman shouldn’t be allowed to be dragged into this. Hagman watched out for himself yes, but also for his friends on the show. Not to mention that Hagman became an EP of “Dallas” and was allowed to direct stories & casting decisions. Meaning, J.R. and Hagman himself have way more class.

    Braeden is an employee who behaves like this show would be nothing without him. Well I say, kill off Victor Newman. It might even do the show some good in it’s last years.

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    Restless Fan

    Victor needs to eat some humble pie. I’m so over that character. For a lot of the reasons mentioned. I hope EB is a team player. It’s obvious MAB listened too much to him. He should stick to acting. I just read spoilers about Y&R’s 10,000 episode and it was somewhat vomit inducing. Of course Victor is central in the plot. If it’s truly that bad, I would hope CBS would use this time to re-shoot and edit questionable material. I’m so glad Maria is gone. Just a truly vile scribe. I don’t know what talent of hers EB is talking about. Evidently he drank the kool-aid she mixed. She was not good and clearly curried favors for him. I would not mind a Y&R without Victor. Perhaps the character has run his course. Success should never placate to anyone’s ego. Y&R fans have seen what transpires when that happens. It’s not good. Ever!!!

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    ldylkng

    Maybe at his age he just doesn’t like change. No big deal. He said no more than that.
    I personally hope that JFP brings a new softer side of Victor back. We’ve seen it before, and say what you will, but the arrogant bastard Victor came from MAB.
    Yes, Eric Braeden has evry right to express his opinion.

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    Ryan-Scott

    All I know is this show is written with Victor in alot of things and if Eric leaves it will be like last time when Victor was off after the heart transplant – a big hole will be in the canvas.

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=Ryan-Scott]All I know is this show is written with Victor in alot of things and if Eric leaves it will be like last time when Victor was off after the heart transplant – a big hole will be in the canvas.[/quote]
    Which was because it was written that way. If MAB truly had focused on different things back then and had written some good storylines I don’t think people would feel this way about it.

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    pennywise555

    [quote=Darlotto99]Im sorry but i completely disagree with this articul the vets have every right to complain about SONY desition. They put the worst person in charge of this show who has destroyed how many shows? It would be different if CBS hired the woman who is in charge of the Dallas to do double duty, but JFP. EB and other vets see a disaster in the making and are smart for questioning this hiring, even if it means their job is on the line. Sometimes you have to go with your heart, over the almight $$ bc no doubt stars like Eric Braeden and Jeanne Cooper love Y&R and what it should be. SONY won’t be in control of this show for very long bc the Bells, CBS wont let JFP reign last long.[/quote]

    I don’t see vets, just one vet, speaking out against MAB’s firing. Jeanne Cooper didn’t seem to be upset about it.

    If JFP is a vet-killer why is Y&R now talking to Jess Walton about returning? When MAB was in charge, Jeanne Cooper made it clear in an interview that MAB’s Y&R was not calling Jess Walton to make any arrangements to come back. MAB loved a few long-time Y&R vets & then all her newbies, not all the long-time Y&R vets. The fact that the new management is interested in Jill Foster Abbott speaks volumes. Jill is not only the only original character remaining also but a traditional strong, savvy woman, & former vixen. That says to me they are interested in stronger female characters and long-time Y&R vets, even the dreaded mature women *gasp*- how refreshing. For all we know JFP could be Y&R’s vet-saver.

    I started watching Y&R with Jill & Kay and the Chancellors. My best memories and stories are Jill and Kay battling in the Chancellor mansion and all the Abbotts and their drama with Jabot. I enjoyed Victor Newman when he was part of the show. But my favorite Newmans were Nick/Sharon & Victoria, & I loved to hate snobby Nikki.. If the choice is all Victor or no Victor, give me no Victor. I don’t watch Y&R for Victor Newman and I never have.

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    pumpkin

    I don’t know. Under Phelps women are stupid and submissive to men. If you are looking for change something tells me this is not a good direction to be in. Just sayin….. Since she is gone from GH all the characters are in the process of acquiring brains and acting more intelligent.

    I am a returnee to Y&R so I don’t care if Victor is there or not there. The show needs an overhaul for sure. I have wondered how it stayed #1 the way it is currently.

    They brought a good actress on as Heather and now I see her with Daniel. What? What about Ronan? She is good with anybody but why tie her up already with Daniel. Huh.. I am not sure whose material is playing…

    I do know that because of the current state of ratings, vets have got to be more flexible. I would like all four shows to stay on the air even if I don’t watch them all. Once the genre is gone, I don’t see it returning.

    It is kind of nice to have new shows on during the summer when everything is repeats. Wouldn’t you say?

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    thecourt99

    I hate the character of Victor under the pen of MAB. I actually think that MAB destroyed any humanity that Victor has.

    In addition, I think EB may feel some kinship. If Sony didn’t tell MAB to her face that she was fired and left her husband to do it, maybe EB felt the kinship because didn’t Sony send him an email asking for a cut rather than a face to face conversation? He said that he doesn’t understand why the change was made and that it was upsetting, isn’t that standard for any firing that comes out of the blue. I don’t have the SID issue so I don’t know what the rest of the interview says.

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    MsAgentProvocateur1

    I’m not sure I buy Eric’s statement that he has no idea why the changes were made–has he looked at a ratings sheet lately?

    Someone please get Eric to a computer where he can look at an episode of Y&R 10-15 years ago so he can watch. Then show him an episode, any episode from the last 3, 4, 5 years. If he cannot tell the difference, then there is no hope for it, I’m afraid.

    He’s entitled to his opinion, sure but if he honestly and analytically looks at a few episodes and compare them, along with ratings (namely, the severe annual drop) over the last few years, he would realize that MAB and her regime brought this show so low, she had to be terminated. Perhaps if some competent writers had been secured for this show even a year ago, it might not have come to hiring JFP.

    I contrast some of Y&R players to that of the those on the I Love Lucy Show and the Carole Burnett Show and mark the difference:

    Stories of the enmity between William Frawley and Vivian Vance are etched in TV history yet they dutifully played husband and wife for the life of the series and do you know why? Because they knew that they were magic! It worked and knowing they had a good thing, they didn’t want to mess it up! Of course, the Writers were excellent at what they did and Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz as the show’s creators and EP were adept and skillful at what they did as well and they laid down the law at that show. If something was amiss with so much as the lighting, they called whomever was in charge of lighting and showed them where the problem was and it was fixed!

    There is another story of one of the comedians of the Carole Burnett Show–Harvey Korman, I believe who started showing up late for rehearsals of the show. According to show folklore, Carole Burnett very calmly approached Korman in his dressing room and asked him if he liked working there, because if he wasn’t he can be replaced to which Korman responded that he did indeed like the work. It was alleged that he was never anything but completely professional from then on.

    I related those two anecdotes because they are two very fine examples, not only of producers and showrunners who were good at what they did and made sure their respective shows ran professionally but these anecdotes are also fine examples of cast members who were not just committed to their own needs as talented people but committed to the good of the show.

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    pennywise555

    [quote=Marcelle]^I’ve seen it mentioned a couple of places that JFP was in talks with Jess. Where did that rumor start/come from? Don’t want to get my hopes up.[/quote]

    It’s on Jess Walton’s Facebook page, I checked it out myself, but I wasn’t Facebook savvy so it was hard to me to find. It’s in the section of Posts by Others-on the right. Jess Walton answers two different questions from fans,(last weekend) about when she was returning. I can’t remember the exact wording but she said something to the effect that they were trying to work out a return, maybe in October. I don’t think it’s a done deal, but she sounded upbeat and positive. I got the feeling JW wanted to return and whomever she was talking to wanted her too. I hope it’s a go. I need to hear something positive that’s coming up about Y&R, and that there’s light at the end of the tunnel. All the spoilers are horrendous.

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    pdow

    I totally agree that Eric is the show!!! I love Victor.The other storylines never did a darn thing for me…Winter’s klan, Cane,Genevive along w/Victoria and Billy can all leave along w/Nick or keep those 2 on the back burner and keep Adam on top along w/Victor. I will not watch it any more. I have stopped B&B because Ridge is leaving or taped his last shows. Leave Eric where he is…a power player w/Jack & family. Hope they bring him back soon. My days now are filled w/nothing w/the s/l’s on B&B. Will hate it when & if Eric leaves. If so, I hope all the old timers do the same thing and show will go down to nothing.

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    alstonboy4315

    This makes me wonder if Eric and Maria had more than just a “business relationship.” :* :*

    The way he defends that woman is a damn shame! I wonder if dementia is starting to set in. :(

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    Mets82

    I like Victor Newman. I think he has a right to say what he wants because, lets face it, he hasnt been on the show 6 weeks. Hes been on for 30 yrs. He, Jeanne Cooper have that right to say something. Thats just me. Is that how it works? People who have been there the longest have the stroke to speak up?

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    pferrando

    Anyone who has watched the show from the early days and knew that Bill Bell himself used Victor as a centerpiece of the show wouldn’t be complaining like some of you are. The Jack/Victor rivalry and Victor/Nikki pairing IS a great part of what has kept Y and R the number one show since the late 80’s. Personally I don’t see anything wrong with him being loyal to a Bell. Before Maria became EP the show had become unrecognizable. I am not defending the MAJORITY of her writing, but at least she knew how to keep the fav characters on the front burner. I think everyone should collectively be holding their breath right now because someone is coming on board who has no loyalty to anyone on Y and R. Be careful what you wish for.

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    Chelley62

    While I can understand that Braden doesn’t like change and has every right to speak his mind, I don’t see how he could have said he doesn’t understand the change? Reeeeeeally? Does he even watch the show? He can’t possibly watch it all or he’d understand why there was a change made and should have been made long before this. Never mind his character’s constant winning, what about the stories with huge plotholes most of the characters are stuck with and useless cast members taking up salary that need to be cut out of there? Open your eyes Mr. Braden.

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    Jorpa

    I actually went out and bought the mag with EB’s interview in it. My jaw literally dropped to the ground. That was the biggest brown-nosed job I’ve ever seen. Is he that desperate to keep his job?

    Anybody who knows me knows how I feel about EB/VN. I do NOT want EB to leave the show, but he can be backburnered for awhile. Victor pretty much lost me when he told Nikki he wished she were dead. EB should’ve put his foot down there.

    When I saw Victor today on the show, my first reaction was “he’s already back?” Y&R needs Victor, but it’s time he lets the young’uns take the lead and advises them instead of railroading the whole town.

    MAB dumbed down the characters which dumbed down the show. It’s not recognizable anymore. I just pray that JFP can do some good before Y&R is cancelled. Not getting my hopes up just yet.

    I’ll survive if EB is fired or quits. It’ll break my heart a little, but I will survive.

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    mizdjohnson

    I have ALWAYS loved how he speaks his mind. On or off the show. They want to bring in a woman who is a show killer. Yea I’m speaking of JFP. She killed Santa Barbara, drove GH down to the ground. She makes women WEAK and loves having women raped.

    Keep speaking your mind EB. Let the haters say what they want. Who gives a damn. And no matter what, whether you stay on the show or not, it will NEVER be the same without you. TEAM EB/VICTOR NEWMAN.

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=pferrando]Anyone who has watched the show from the early days and knew that Bill Bell himself used Victor as a centerpiece of the show wouldn’t be complaining like some of you are. The Jack/Victor rivalry and Victor/Nikki pairing IS a great part of what has kept Y and R the number one show since the late 80’s.[/quote]
    But we ain’t in the 1980s anymore. It’s getting to the point where the portrayal of Victor Newman has become totally ridiculous.
    In the episode that aired in Canada today, a 70-year old Victor Newman fought off people half his age who had much more muscles than he has.

    If Victor was finally portrayed as a mature patriarch I could live with him. But Braeden still wants to be front and center. He still wants to be the male lead, not realizing that it’s not working anymore. He pushed for Victor/Sharon and look how awful that turned out.

    The role of Victor is important to the show. No doubt about it. But we have gotten to the point where something should change in his role for the show. And if Braeden’s ego can’t handle it then yes, the show should get rid of him.

    And don’t be mistaken; it’s not about the vets and showing the vets in storylines. As someone already said, Jeanne Cooper wouldn’t agree with Braeden at all. This is only about Braeden’s role on the show. It’s about controlling the head writer of this show; about demanding story.

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    tedew

    It’s true that Victor is important to Y&R. But it would be so much more tolerable for us if he weren’t now just a caricature of his former great self. The endless cycles are annoying and there is not much about him that is believable any more. Give him something new to do befitting his age and stature and then there’d be no need for these threads.

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    tedew

    It’s true that Victor is important to Y&R. But it would be so much more tolerable for us if he weren’t now just a caricature of his former great self. The endless cycles are annoying and there is not much about him that is believable any more. Maybe he should be thankful for this new regime. Give him something new to do befitting his age and stature and then there’d be no more need for these threads.

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    Mets82

    [quote=Jorpa]I actually went out and bought the mag with EB’s interview in it. My jaw literally dropped to the ground. That was the biggest brown-nosed job I’ve ever seen. Is he that desperate to keep his job?
    Anybody who knows me knows how I feel about EB/VN. I do NOT want EB to leave the show, but he can be backburnered for awhile. Victor pretty much lost me when he told Nikki he wished she were dead. EB should’ve put his foot down there.
    When I saw Victor today on the show, my first reaction was “he’s already back?” Y&R needs Victor, but it’s time he lets the young’uns take the lead and advises them instead of railroading the whole town.
    MAB dumbed down the characters which dumbed down the show. It’s not recognizable anymore. I just pray that JFP can do some good before Y&R is cancelled. Not getting my hopes up just yet.
    I’ll survive if EB is fired or quits. It’ll break my heart a little, but I will survive.[/quote]

    I think Victor is most of the show. You really cant go to some of the younger cast because they really have no story. You want Fen or Summer to drive story? What about Noah? Btw, when did Victor tell Nikki, he wished she was dead? Thats very harsh even for Victor Newman.

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    prenest

    I just have one thing to say to Eric: Are you Clairee? (Don’t know why I thought of that Sterl Magnolias reference when I read this story but it fits) I know Eric isn’t stupid enough to think what is airing is good soap. What they need to do is put a camera in Jill’s new office for when she sits down for her first meeting with Eric. I think I could stand to watch that show. But in all seriousness Eric better watch out or one day we will turn on the TV and hear an announcer say the role of. Victor Newman is now being played by James Franco. Or we will read spoilers of Jill’s first big storyline and it will be a hostage crises at the GCAC and we know what Jill likes to do to vets in stunt storylines. Just ask Alan Quartermane.

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    pjc722

    I have to agree with you about the way that Victor is written, especially since for every scene he wins it’s almost abuse. Look at the way he talks to Abby or Victoria or Nikki. There is 2 types of abuse in the world. One leaves your physical scarred on the outside and in pain struggling with whatever injury is thrust upon you. The other is the mental abuse that has all of it’s scars inside and take an enormous amount of time and energy to overcome.

    The way that Victor is written now he is an abuser. He ridicules Nikki and calls her worthless and a slut one moment and then says I LOVE YOU the next. He tells Victoria she has horrible taste in men, can’t make a decision that is right and she is nothing without him and then tell her the next moment he loves her. With Abby, the worst abuse is the fact that she has seen her father destroy her sister, her step mother, her uncle and her own mother. SHe has witnessed him have his hands dirty in the murder of her own sister and has had to listen as Victor calls her stupid for her choices and call her boyfriend a loser.

    All the while this is a man who expects to be loved.

    As for the state of the show, it’s a mess. Sadly, I have not watched it in 2 weeks and although I want to other things have kept me away. Do I miss it? Yes and no. I miss the old show that was light years away from all other things on daytime and even night. Now I am embarassed to say I watch soaps because it’s so bad.

    Eric Braeden doesn’t need to work. He has made his fortune from TV and movies. If I could hand Jill a gift to help save this show it would be to kill off Victor, to free up Nikki and Melody Thomas to have story that doesn’t revolve around this character. I would see a battle for Newman that involved Nick, Victoria and Adam in a way that is not possible with Eric still on the soap. It would be a dramatic story and ADam and his protrayer are perfect to take the reins as the bad guy on this soap.

    Jack is another person who I think should be retired as well. His stay and the dynamic created by Victor and Jack is amazing but it’s time has come. Time to pass the torch.

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    Jorpa

    @Mets82 Victor telling Nikki he wished she was dead (may not be exact quote, but the message was the same) was back when he went missing and ended up in Mexico. Nikki found him there, and he went off on her. I was appalled at that. Nikki should NEVER take Victor back unless he crawls over broken glass and hot coals begging for her forgiveness, yet she just sucks it up whenever he smiles at her.

    I LOVE EB/Victor. I have since he walked into my tv screen. I was just saying that in the last few years Victor and all major characters have been dumbed down since MAB took over. Yes, she did some good in the beginning of her reign but has overall ruined the show.

    When I talk about the young’uns taking over, I’m talking about Victoria, Nick, and Adam. Fen, Summer, Noah, etc shouldn’t even be in the equation until 10 years from now (which will equate to 3 years in soap time if that much).

    Victor is my favorite character and I want him on the show, but the way he’s been written in the last few years, I’m getting tired of his bull.

    If JFP doesn’t get rid of EB, I hope she does him and the show justice. There’s a lot of improvement to be made all around.

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    alstonboy4315

    ChristianDavis148–

    I agree. My stomach hurts just thinking about the notion of Maria Bell laying her head on Eric’s wrinkly 200-year old chest as they bathe in the “afterglow” of sex……but it wouldn’t be the first time that a producer has banged one of his or her actors behind the scenes. :D :D

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    Jorpa

    [quote=alstonboy4315]ChristianDavis148–

    I agree. My stomach hurts just thinking about the notion of Maria Bell laying her head on Eric’s wrinkly 200-year old chest as they bathe in the “afterglow” of sex……but it wouldn’t be the first time that a producer has banged one of his or her actors behind the scenes. :D :D[/quote]

    Oh dear God in heaven… (as Katherine would say) We don’t need that visual alstonboy4315. LOL

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    SwanQueen59

    Oy! alstonboy, I am really glad I finished my nice glass of merlot before I read your descriptive musings on MAB and EB. I’m thinking my keyboard and monitor would be a lovely shade of burgandy right about now. Hmm. I don’t believe I’ve ever used the words funny and gross when thinking about a possible “soap couple”. LOL! :bigsmile: Whew! Maybe another glass will chase away what my minds eye is envisioning… 0:)

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    Coffee_Junkie

    [quote=pferrando]Anyone who has watched the show from the early days and knew that Bill Bell himself used Victor as a centerpiece of the show wouldn’t be complaining like some of you are. [/quote]

    It made sense to write Victor that way in 1985. HE WASN’T NINETY!

    Even just a year or so ago they had Victor in jail, beating up THREE men at once that were HALF his age! Give me a break. They would have wiped the floor with him.

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    Coffee_Junkie

    [quote=soapjunkie88][quote=pferrando]Anyone who has watched the show from the early days and knew that Bill Bell himself used Victor as a centerpiece of the show wouldn’t be complaining like some of you are. The Jack/Victor rivalry and Victor/Nikki pairing IS a great part of what has kept Y and R the number one show since the late 80’s.[/quote]
    But we ain’t in the 1980s anymore. It’s getting to the point where the portrayal of Victor Newman has become totally ridiculous.
    In the episode that aired in Canada today, a 70-year old Victor Newman fought off people half his age who had much more muscles than he has. If Victor was finally portrayed as a mature patriarch I could live with him. But Braeden still wants to be front and center. He still wants to be the male lead, not realizing that it’s not working anymore. He pushed for Victor/Sharon and look how awful that turned out. The role of Victor is important to the show. No doubt about it. But we have gotten to the point where something should change in his role for the show. And if Braeden’s ego can’t handle it then yes, the show should get rid of him. And don’t be mistaken; it’s not about the vets and showing the vets in storylines. As someone already said, Jeanne Cooper wouldn’t agree with Braeden at all. This is only about Braeden’s role on the show. It’s about controlling the head writer of this show; about demanding story.[/quote]

    I didn’t see your comments when I just wrote my post. So seriously, he was beating up young guys on TODAY’S show?? LMAO!!! Utterly ridiculous. I don’t care how *muscular* Braeden is. He’d fall and break a hip if encountered by multiple men HALF his age.

    Y&R should start incorporating the cartoonish “kapow!” captions (like on the old Batman series) for Eric’s fight scenes. That’s how idiotic they are.

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    The_Moustache

    if Eric doesn’t like the show he should quit it then.

    just like Ronn Moss quit B&B.

    everyone on all the remaining soaps are expendable AND re-castable. no matter who they are.

    this ain’t the 80′ or 90’s or even early 00’s and Eric should get with the times & the program.

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    Greeneb2

    If Eric behaved like a person with class & not automatically expected all his Y&R folks to kiss his hairy a–, this would not be happening with him–sheesh! >)

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    SZima

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]Look at TNT's brilliant reboot of Dallas. JR (Larry Hagman), Bobby (Patrick Duffy), Sue Ellen (Linda Gray) and Cliff (Ken Kercheval) are still viable, but the action has been masterfully refocused on their offspring. Y&R must do the same thing if it wants to stay on the air. 
    [/quote]

    In order for Y&R to focus on the next generation of Newman’s, Abbot’s, et al, they need actors who can carry the ball. So far I don’t see that. Getting a new Noah is a good start though.

    [quote=Smitty]I used to be a really big fan of the Victor Newman character but these last two/three years he’s just gotten to be too much. If this is because of Eric’s demands then he should have never been given the authority to do so. Victor being with Sabrina, Diane (deSORASed), and Sharon is just disgusting on so many levels. Nothing appealing about a grandpa sleeping with women young enough to be his daughter…wait..scratch that young enough to be his granddaughters.
    If Eric Braeden can honestly look at Y&R and say MAB shouldn’t have been fired then maybe it’s time for him to retire. The show is a mess.[/quote]

    Agree. I used to be a Victor fan too, but it IS time for EB to follow through on his threats and leave the show. I’m sick and tired of him! He is one veteran that I don’t mind getting rid of.!! Please?

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    TraceyAbbot101

    Please….. put Victor into a Viagra coma….. oops? you mean that is already being done with another character ( Tim Reid )?

    Well, put Victor into bed with that other sex pot, Phyllis. Maybe they will kill each other!

    I foresee Sharon becoming CEO of Newman and hiring Crazy Daisy as her personal assistant.

    I dislike Victor and I dislike EB: both are blowhards.

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    tedew

    Does anyone else ever wonder why Victor always has the same get up on when he’s off on one of his weird adventures? And why does he always seem to end up in the sleaziest roughest bars on the sleaziest waterfronts? Exactly what is he looking for anyway?

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    david46208

    @Everyone: When Eric Braeden left the show for 2 months there was no big gaping hole in the ratings. In-fact they were as steady as ever following the same up and down trends. So if Eric IS THE SHOW, then the ratings should tank because he is not on screen. In fact the only two actors to make a dent in the ratings when they left were Shermar Moore and Victoria Rowell. I’m gonna put that on record! So it is obvious that EB does not have that kind of fanbase that actually dips the show in ratings points and would follow him. He ain’t got that kind of loyalty.

    Also If Eric IS THE SHOW then he does not need a cast. He should be able to do 40 minutes as a one man show and Y&R still churn out 3 million viewers a week.

    Soaps have always been and always will be an ensemble cast. So it is not Victor and The Rest of Us.

    GL improved after Kim Zimmer left the first time. It seems they remembered that there were 30 something other cast members on the show.

    Days ratings went up and up when “spokes on a wheel” Deidre and Drake were fired. Bad writing took the show down hill.

    AMC survived Susan Lucci’s yearly 2 month breaks from the show.

    So no soap’s existence is predicated on one or a few actors and actresses. It is the writing that will ultimately be the judge, jury and executioner of a show.

    The problem with Y&R is that they never have fully established the next generation and some actors there don’t know when you have to step back from limelight and let other’s shine.

    Peter Ruckell (Bo, Days) understood that he took the spotlight from te actor who played Micky and now Galen Gering (Rafe)has taken the spotlight from him.

    Peter understands like Omar said on The Wire “It’s all in the game!”

    It is the nature of the beast.

    Eric bullying his bosses to get his way has hurt story and narrowed the possibilities.

    So I hope JFP hands him a Gitterbug, some Metamucil and tells him he can play shuffleboard on a retirement cruise if he tries to run the show.

    So i’m Team STFU!

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    pferrando

    Yes folks he is important to the show, but NOT the show. Never said that. I’d be disappointed if he left just like I would be if Nikki, Kay, Jill, Jack, Sharon, Nick, Paul, Lauren, Michael etc. left. I LIKE the fact that the characters we all have enjoyed through the years are still on the show. Anyone who says AMC, ATWT or GL didn’t go under because of all the cast changes over the decades since the 80’s (soap’s heydays) are sadly kidding themselves. Those Y and R characters who have been on the screen for YEARS are the reason we tune in regardless of the crappy writing. Snap out of it!

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    david46208

    @Pferrando: Bill Bell chucked most of the cast in the early 80’s. He transitioned them out and replaced them. There was no full Abbott, Newman, Winters, Barber, Baldwin clan back then. It was clearly centered around the Fosters and the Brooks. Y&R went on to be the number one soap and create the Victor, Jack, Phyllis, Dru, Malcolm, etc.

    Also when it comes to GL (before Kim Zimmer left the show), it had turned into the Reva Shane Lewis hour. Everything was centered around her. Even Kim herself has talked about how after she left GL the show went on. It survived by remembering GL was not called Reva’s Light. So they invested in telling tales with the rest of the cast.

    When it comes to AMC Lorraine Brodrick wrote a good show during her 6 weeks as a transition writer minus many fan favorites. She proved again that writing is the architect of a good soap.

    So are fan favs great to have? Yes. But a good writer can keep the wheels turning with or without certain actors.

    So let’s remember that “writing is the architect of a good soap.” It is the baseline for its success.

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    RebeccaJ

    [quote]”Does anyone else ever wonder why Victor always has the same get up on when he’s off on one of his weird adventures? And why does he always seem to end up in the sleaziest roughest bars on the sleaziest waterfronts? Exactly what is he looking for anyway?”[/quote]

    I love how all the scenes are ‘acted’ with his hands in his pockets. And I’m just so fed up with this BULL that we’re expected to believe Victor can beat up TWO men half his age and only have bruised knuckles. GMAB with that crap already.

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    kittyskisses

    I can’t even watch scenes with Victor/Sharon in them. The pairing makes me sick and what they have done to Sharon’s character is awful! Something has to be done. I never used to miss Y&R. It’s on now and I am not watching it. It has always been my favourite and now I can barely watch. It’s so very sad.

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    Coffee_Junkie

    [quote=david46208]Eric bullying his bosses to get his way has hurt story and narrowed the possibilities. So I hope JFP hands him a Gitterbug, some Metamucil and tells him he can play shuffleboard on a retirement cruise if he tries to run the show. So i’m Team STFU![/quote]

    She’ll probably fall in love with him like all others who came before her in which case this show is in big, BIG trouble. EB knows how to turn on the charm which is why *Victor* is portrayed the way that he is. I don’t have a lot of hope of that changing, but I sincerely hope his reign of terror has finally come to an end.

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    pennywise555

    [quote=david46208]@Pferrando: Bill Bell chucked most of the cast in the early 80’s. He transitioned them out and replaced them. There was no full Abbott, Newman, Winters, Barber, Baldwin clan back then. It was clearly centered around the Fosters and the Brooks. Y&R went on to be the number one soap and create the Victor, Jack, Phyllis, Dru, Malcolm, etc. [/quote]

    But’s it’s not 1980 anymore. And if great writing is all they need ,and all new & young is better, why not start a brand new soap with a brand new name specifically for their target age group?

    Dallas TNT is a hit because they are getting viewers from all age groups. They could of created a brand new show called Houston with all new people, but I sure wouldn’t be watching it.

    Y&R has great “guts”. Bill Bell created something that could last with the Chancellors, Abbott’s, Newmans and Winters. I’m interested in the younger generations IF they are the legacy kids. Numerous stories revolved around the Phillip Chancellor offspring for decades, why isn’t one cast? MAB ruined the show by casting has-beens from other soaps instead of growing Y&R families. Y&R was the Super Bowl of soaps and MAB took it a re-created into the All-Star game of retired football players. Snore.

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    david46208

    @pennywise555: Yes starting with the legacy kids is a good way to go. The older actors just have to realize that their roles will transition from romantic leads to mature adults with issues. Nobody wants to see Kay Chancellor in a Teddy accept that actor Jeanne use to date from the show who had a thing for older women (lol). And I don’t know many women who want to see Victor at the punching page showing off his Wrabs (wrinkled abs).

    But if they can write a multi-generational soap with age appropriate issues, then we have something.

    Think James Scott came on Days and became the new popular villain when Joe Mascolo had left due to contract issues. James brings sex appeal to the female viewers in that bad boy kind of way that makes them like him.

    Joe is a good actor too and I like him around as Stefano. But he does not need to be the center of all the bad deeds anymore.

    A much better story was to have E.J. and his brother battling for Daddy’s respect, approval and their place at the head of the Dimera empire when he retires or dies.

    I think the Tony vs E.J angle was good. But Tony was much too old to tangling with E.J. An E.J. vs Chad battle would have been and could still be better. All we have to do is learn that Alice tricked Stefano when they hid those secrets in the safe. But that is after Stefano has returned and Chad has finally given in to his Dimera side. Then the battle can begin. And that is something more in line with what a man at Stefano’s age would be concerned about, passing along his legacy.

    John and Marlena are too old to be the central hero and heroine leads they once were.

    What does a women do when she become old, washed up and completely undesirable…I kid…I Kid! That was a Soap Dish movie quote by the way.

    No really, Marlena fits best in struggling and managing all the problems her offspring have and trying to maintain a healthy marriage with John. I would though like to see John and Marlena’s marriage fall apart due to real life issues that draw married couples apart.

    I think a Stefano/Kate/John/Marlena/Roman love Pentagon could be just what the doctor ordered.

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    RealityCheck 33

    Eric Braeden won’t win the war of words with JFP because she’s the voice of Sony & CBS. Sony will let him go, they aren’t afraid of his threats. It’s time for him to face reality, he can’t continue to dictate s/l’s to his satisfaction.

    Frankly, I’d think he’d welcome a change in his character. It might be an actual acting challange for him! Wow!

    The show is bleeding viewers because it’s become predictable and just awful. The Shictor pairing was the straw that broke the camel’s back. If it was EB’s idea, then he read the audience incorrectly. It couldn’t continue on the path it has been going down. The show was failing. Enough!

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    Cuppa_Coffee

    I don’t think EB has the clout that people think he does. It was MAB that put him on so much. They say that EB wanted the romance with Sharon Case. He’s a happily married man with kids and grand kids. If it were true, that info would get back to his wife and family, you think he’d risk it, no matter how old he is? He doesn’t need that shit.
    MAB is making him Superman, MAB made the Victor we haven’t liked so much.
    He wants to stay on the show because he’s been there so long. It isn’t like he’s dependent on Sony’s check. Good God the man has a life outside of Y&R unlike some of the actors on there.
    EB, BM, MS,MG all do things outside of Y&R.
    They can tone Victor down a little bit, but the reason the ratings don’t drop when he’s gone is because they KNOW he’s coming back.

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    pferrando

    @david…Bell didn’t chuck, a lot of the cast left in the EARLY 80’s and when the show expanded to an hour he added a lot of the characters we still watch today. It was his consistent hand and writing, yes, that allowed the show to be elevated to and remain #1. Why did GH end up where it is today when it was getting a HUGE share in the early 80’s? I never watch it, but am amazed at how it’s fallen to where it is today. The other shows I mentioned were shredded to death over the years. Look at Maureen on GL, and all the characters that Douglas Marland introduced in the 80’s on ATWT for example. Hardly any were left when the show was cancelled and it too became unrecognizable in the end. I hope JFP doesn’t break out GL’s shaky hand helds.

    Not only are fan favs great to have, they are a must to the show’s history and continuity.

    I am all for spreading the wealth when it comes to a well balancde, smartly written show. Eric really isn’t on that much. I see more Phylis these days. It is a complete shame that they wrote for Ashley only when she was heading out the door. Trust me, I think we want the same thing. I’ve been watching Y and R since I was about 10 or so.

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    david46208

    @pferrando: That is what I saying in my own way, he transitioned them out when they kept leaving. And yes his writing is what rose the show through the ranks.

    GH: I watched it back in the 80’s and into the 90’s. Though I preferred the Claire Labine years. The one big problem with her was that despite being a good writer, she wrote one depressing storyline after the next. This made GH so emotionally draining that fans tuned out.

    But ultimately when soaps started having a barrage of writers is when things really started to go down hill.

    AMC should have kept Lorraine Brodrick in the head writer’s seat and never let her go or changed writers. She was Agnes’s heir apparent.

    Kay Alden should not have been removed from Y&R. She was Bill Bell’s heir apparent.

    Days should not have pissed off Sally Sussman Morina to the point where she said she would never return.

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    ldylkng

    Totally agree with cuppa-coffee! MAB has damaged the Victor I came to love and admire so much! I think every one is just thinking EB is Victor in real life! He is not, and I hope JFP will realize that he is a major part of the show. He does not need to be on everyday and he can go back to being the grandpa & business man. Not just the jealous ex of Nikki, and using Sharon to get back. We all know that’s what was intended, but wasn’t written well.

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    debhhull17@gmail.com

    OMG! I’m not in the minority! I could have written your article. I am so sick of Eric Braeden and have been for a very long time. He turns my stomach when he comes on screen. The soap name should be changed to the Eric Braeden Show. He dominates screen time and storyline. He NEVER loses and he NEVER pays for anything he’s done. All stories begin and end with Braeden. Have you ever noticed he ALWAYS has the last word? He is so full of himself. I so hope Jill can reign him in and if he leaves?….oh well. I think the show would be more enjoyable and less frustrating and frankly I think a good number of the cast and crew would enjoy their time in the studio more. Thank you so much for telling it the way it is. I so hope there is an end in sight to him holding The Young & the Restless hostage. I’m seriously hoping Jill will bring him down a notch or two, or three, or four…

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