General Hospital: Perkie’s Observations


Lulu wonders what’s going on, but Connie assures her that all is well. Olivia explains to Dante and Steve that Kate wouldn’t throw out the hankie. She wants to tell Sonny that something is up, but the guys stop her. Olivia overhears Steve tell Dante that he might need to send her to Shadybrook if she continues with her episodes.

Max assures Sonny that their men are in position. Joe will not be getting near the boat. Joe’s grabbed Kristina and brought her to the coffee warehouse. He has her call Alexis to say that she isn’t coming to the wedding because she fought with Trey. Joe tells Kris that he’s Trey’s father.

Kristina warns Joe that Sonny will come after him and asks about the ransom. Joe says he’s not after a ransom, but after everything Sonny owes him. He’ll get it when she’s dead. Joe tells her that Trey will inherit everything as her husband and everyone will think it was another of Sonny’s enemies.

Alexis tells Sonny that Kris isn’t coming and is hopeful that an annulment is next. Carly wonders what’s going on with Johnny, but he claims all is fine. Ellie compliments Maxie on a job well done. Maxie realizes she can’t hate her. Dante tells Lulu that his mother thinks something is off with Kate. Lulu admits to weird behavior between Kate and Johnny.

Trey arrives at the wedding, looking for Kristina. Michael says she isn’t there. Trey feels he needs to find her and heads out to the lake house. Alexis wonders why Sonny seems so nervous. He says he needs to tell Kate the truth about Trey and is worried she’ll relapse.

Liz tells Jason that she thought they had a chance and that the results she gave him were for another child. Jason asks if the lab made the mistake. Liz admits to changing the results and gives him the correct ones, which show a DNA match of Tea’s baby to Sam.

Jason wonders why she lied in the first place.  Liz says she thought about the other mom, who had the baby for four months, raising him and loving him. Liz felt she didn’t deserve to have the baby taken from her, just like Liz didn’t deserve having her baby taken. Liz says Sam watched Jake get kidnapped and let them lose their minds with grief, when she knew the whole time and didn’t say a word. Jason wonders if this was payback.

Liz says she’s tried to put it behind her, but that she also didn’t want Jason with Sam. The baby would have brought them back together. She tearfully wonders why they couldn’t have their chance. Liz admits she’s been losing her mind since Jake’s death, trying to recover on her own and letting time heal. However its only gotten worse. She thought Jason would make it better and fix it. She realizes that it wasn’t fair to ask that of Jason and apologizes. Jason says he understands about making mistakes, but that he needs to fix this and not to tell Sam about the baby. Liz tells him to be kind to Tea, since he knows what it’s like to lose a child.

Sam stops the kissing with John saying she ended her marriage yesterday and there’s no rush. John says he doesn’t’ want to complicate her life or cause pain. Trey arrives, looking for Kristina and leaves her a note. John leaves and then gets a call from Jason to meet.

Trey goes back home and finds Kris’ bracelet, but no Kris and realizes his father has her. He heads to Joe’s motel room and worries where Kris is.

Jason tells John that there was a mistake with the lab results and the baby is a match to Sam. John worries about Tea.

Liz shows up at the lake house to tell Sam that she lied about her and Jason being together. Sam says she saw them kissing. Liz admits that Jason told her they didn’t have a future and that he belongs to Sam.

The wedding begins and the judge says his piece. He ask if anyone objects, so Olivia says she has something to say. Steven deflects her, so she ends up saying Kate is getting what she always wanted in marrying Sonny and wishes them all the happiness.

The judge asks again and this time Milo stands up to object, but Max reassures everyone that he was simply caught up in the moment. The judge asks a third time and this time; Kate says she can’t marry Sonny.

Sonny asks what’s going on and Connie says she can’t marry him because she’s already married, to Johnny.

57 Responses

  1. Profile photo of Perkie
    Perkie

    Loved the little smirk on Connie’s face after she pointed to Johnny then turned back to Sonny. But please, please, don’t let this be that Johnny forced Kate to marry him because that will piss me off. Let her make up something about being in love with two men and she married him when he asked.

    Steve is a total douche and a horrible boyfriend.

    Milo popping up with his objection was hilarious.

    Kristina is a moron (clearly hasn’t gotten her mother’s genes) and needs to learn how to cry, so that I feel badly for her not want Joe to get rid of her.

    They better not use this to try and redeem Trey, that he’ll save her from his father, because if it weren’t for him, Kris wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

    Not sure how I feel about Liz’s confession. I need to process that before I comment on it.

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    The_Moustache

    Once again, they’re destroying/villainizing Elizabeth to make Sam appear sympathetic/heroine to the viewers even tho Sam is 100x worse than Liz was in her best day.

    it’s clear that Kelly Monaco is CarTini’s #1 fav on the show.

    so people still think it’s Kate huh??

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    js3557

    RH was absolutely amazing. She had me in tears once again. This plot point was completely out of character, but RH turned sh*t into gold. She is an amazing actress, and Kelly Sullivan was correct when she tweeted that RH rocked these scenes.

    I also loved how Jason forgave her so quickly. As he said to her the other day, he is not with her because of the danger. He does love her. He never forgives anyone as easily as he forgives Liz.

    Having said that, I am out. I can’t keep watching my favorite character destroyed or ignored day after day. GH is off my dvr as of today.

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    JASAMMABBY

    I loved Max protecting Milo- they need to use him more. Love the smirk also- I guess Connie is the only female in town who doesn’t want Sonny.

    Steve really is the worst boyfriend and sometimes brother ever.. Geez- I hope Olivia cuts him loose and hooks up with Sonny.

    My poor Johnny- what are they doing to him. He is so delicious- hook him up with Maxie please!!!

    McBam is hot- but I don’t love them like Jasam. I am so happy they stopped and it wasn’t Jason walking in or anything. I loved Sam using her noggin on this..

    I loved Liz’s confession. If only because it highlighted so much of what bugged me about Jason confiding in her. She is right to have all those feelings- and it just shows me Jason just thinks of her as the girl next door kid sister. His heart is totally with Sam. I also believe that it does create a door for a very new cool story for her.

    They are totally showing Jason’s devotion to his family so I can not wait for him to find Sam’s baby.. I can’t wait for them to talk about it. Am very curious about tomorrows Sam/Liz scenes..

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    GHteenybopper

    Don’t like Liz’s actions, but RH knocked her scenes outta the park today, she did great work!

    My McBam loving heart was pitter pattering into overdrive, I love them…I love SBu, but I can’t wait for Jason to exit the canvas so we can get this McBam engine started up and ready to go

    NuKristina is a horrible actress, I gave her some time but nope..especially after seeing the talent that is Lexi Ainsworth, she needs to take some acting lessons or something..I don’t know if it’s because the actress can’t act or because I find the character of Kristina extremely annoying, but I can’t feel any sympathy for the character, poor Joe having to listen to her, he should’ve done himself and us a favor and tape her mouth…I know kinda harsh..but I can’t help it lol

    I knew the papers coo coo for cocoa puffs Connie had Johnny sign were marriage papers, I hope this puts an end to CarJohn, I do not like them together at all. I would also like for Connie to fly back to her coo coo nest and never come back, the DID stories worked with Viki sometimes in OLTL..but come on Ron, this is just too much, enough already.

    Can’t wait for the Sam/Liz scenes tomorrow, should be soapy goodness, although I’ve wanted them to be friends in the past, I enjoy them snarking at each other too

    Anyone on twitter see RHerbst’s tweets about being there to support KeMo at DWTS, I love that the cast is so supportive and it makes the Sam/Liz dynamic more interesting seeing how close the actresses are in real life.

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    liason4real

    What I disliked about the entire Liz DNA nonsense (heck, even RH said her current story line was shocking!) is that she was made to pimp JaSam (again)! I hate that Liz’s hands had to be dirtied up to continue pimping and propping the supposed leads on the show. Yes, Liz was able to confess her lies rather quickly, but the fact that she had to be trashed at all just because RC seems pissed that SBu left the show.

    I really hope SBu is enjoying his time away from GH and decides not to come back, because I have a feeling another permanent round of JaSam was in the works and there is not enough antacid in the world that will make me have to watch every character on the show pimp this boring pairing.

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    stefanstavros

    I thought RH’s acting while explaining why she lied was VERY realistic, even though still very out of character. Losing a child the way she did truly could make someone go CRAZY. Like someone else said she did turn (bleep) into gold with what she was given. Well done Becky.

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    TV Gord

    It’s amazing how many out of character things Liz has done (since way back when she started on the show, apparently).

    Guess what, folks. When someone does SO much that is out of character, THAT’S her character!

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    GHvetfan

    TV Gord- I don’t believe it is Liz fans who say her actions are out of character for ten years. That is SamFF battle-cry. Every bad thing she has ever done is listed as OOC. I have always maintained that if the character did it than it is in character. Sam endangered children. There was at no time in the script a line that anyone said she was out of her mind. That is simply FF rhetoric. There may be a Liz fan or a few that will continue to deny Liz’s actions. I am not that fan. She did it. She confessed. I say move on and what’s next? She is telling the truth and facing the consequences. That is in character. I don’t believe in lumping every fan as one. I may like Liz but that doesn’t mean I agree with every LizFF. Just because EET will go to the mattresses to defend Sam’s instability doesn’t mean every SamFF agrees.

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    TV Gord

    I didn’t lump everyone together. I was speaking to the people who see any bad thing she does as out of character. If you’re not one of those people, I wasn’t addressing you. :-)

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    mayjadjor

    The best part about the Jiz scenes was Jason’s indifference and pity toward Liz. He was irritated with her, yes, but it almost seemed like he didn’t think it was worth it to get all riled up over her. She opened a vein, pathetically begging for a reason why he refused to give them a chance, and all Jason could say was that he didn’t know what she wanted to hear. There were no words or actions toward her to give comfort. No empathy or acting like he understood her actions. He didn’t even seem to relate to her when she pulled the Jake card. I just had the feeling that he understood what it was like to screw up so royally because of his recent mistakes toward Sam. That and the fact that he didn’t need to have a screaming fight with Liz to be done with her, which he obviously is. The most animated and excited Jason was in the entire episode was when he asked Liz for the real results and when Liz left and he started talking to McBain about the baby. Jason just doesn’t love Liz and the danger excuse was just that… an excuse because he thinks she’s too mentally weak to deal with the truth, that he doesn’t want her.

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    JASAMMABBY

    The one thing I disliked about what Liz said was how would Jakes life be different with out Sam. I have to disagree because Jason and Liz broke up because of Michael not Sam. I can see how she might be saying it in her head. However it is simply not true..

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    mayjadjor

    And Jason and Sam were still together when that happened, and would have stayed together if it didn’t. So, Liz’s point is moot. If Sam hadn’t watched Jake get kidnapped, she and Jason would have stayed together or broken up for a little while and gotten back together quickly. Jason never chose to be with Liz over Sam. It just so happened that JaSam imploded and Liz, as usual, was there to try and pick up the crumbs of what was left. And even then, she got a whole lot of nothing. Liz didn’t want Jason in Jake’s life unless he was broken up with Sam and willing to be with her, so I’m not exactly sure what she was trying to say there. Also, Sam was not the adult in charge of Jake’s well being the night he was allowed to walk out his front door and into traffic. That was all Liz.

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    robertscorpio

    [quote=TV Gord]It’s amazing how many out of character things Liz has done (since way back when she started on the show, apparently).

    Guess what, folks. When someone does SO much that is out of character, THAT’S her character![/quote]

    Amen. Let’s not forget that Liz has a kid by Zander who was her best friend’s boyfriend at one time. Or that she lied to Lucky about Jake’s true paternity. Characters are flawed, plain and simple. And before we start talking Cartini destroying characters, lets not forget that Sam watched Jake being kidnapped, as Liz pointed out today, and did nothing about it. That incident didn’t destroy the character of Sam and this one “out of character” action of Liz isn’t going to destroy her. Let it go people.

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    tvlover01

    THOSE SCENES WAS AMAZING BECKY IS AMAZING AND THE PRETTIEST CRYER EVER.I HATE WHAT LIZ DID TO SAM BUT LIZ HAS NOT HAD THE CHANCE TO FACE ALL HER GRIEF AND EMOTIONS ITS BEEN ALL ABOUT JASON AND LUCKY REALLY.THANK GOD LIZ FINALLY CONFRONT HER ANGER WITH SAM ABOUT THE KIDNAPPING IT WAS ALWAYS PUSHED AWAYS TRYING TO FORGET EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED. LIZ GRIEF IS DEEP THINK ABOUT IT HER SON IS DEAD AND THE WOMAN WHO CAUSED HARM TO HER SON IS GETTING EVERYTHING (HER SON AND JASON)LIZ ALWAYS WANTED. DONT GET ME WRONG I LOVED SAM BUT I COULD TOTALLY GET WHERE LIZ IS COMING FROM.

    I THINK WHERE LIZ IS AT NOW SHE CAN TOTALLY START FRESH HAVE A GREAT ROMANCE AND AMAZING LIFE IF RC/FV WRITE FOR HER.

    MCBAM IS SO HOT IM GLAD THEY STOPPED THOUGH I WANT THEM TO TAKE IT SLOW. CANT WAIT TIL SAM GET HER BABY BACK

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    J Bernard Jones

    Honestly, although Liz’s actions were wrong (and she has a history of bad choices — which have been listed time and time and time and time again), I do believe that Liz came across much more sympathetically than even her defenders/supporters are giving the character and the writing credit. In a case of not seeing the forest for the trees, claiming that “Liz has been destroyed and assasinated and spit upon” misses the point that Liz is not a moustache twirling villain in this unfortunate instance. She was motivated by a mixture of varying emotions all stemming from recent history and story, some of which references the terrible choices that Sam made.

    Liz’s actions were motivated out of a complex set of emotions including jealousy (over Jason/Sam) and unresolved anger (Sam watching Jake get kidnapped and the mess that followed); lingering grief (Jake’s death); empathy (for Tea) and aching love and unrealistic expectations (for and of Jason). Even if Liz was only coming up with excuses, the fact is that a) all of those “excuses” are real facts in evidence, b) true to the character and c) true to the character’s history that we’ve seen unfold onscreen. Nothing was retconned, no facts of the matter retrofitted. With all of that, at the end of the day, Liz quickly confessed her misdeeds to Jason and now, apparently, to Sam.

    To my mind, I feel sympathy for Liz and a good prtion of that has to do with Rebecca Herbst’s wonderful work in today’s show. She nailed every line reading, every emotion, every beat perfectly and I commend her for a job well-done.

    In other Port Chuck happenings, I loved Kelly Sullivan’s “Connie” once again, especially at the end when there were flickers of Kate (the mirror shot) and her dead eye look at Sonny after she pointed to her husband, Johnny. LOL

    The one thing I did not buy was Joe Jr.’s sudden kidnapping of Kristina. If this was the plan all along, it came way out of the blue given the strides that have been made to make Joe more sympathetic.

    I’ve been trying to give Lindsey Morgan (Kristina) a chance…..but….er….is it possible for an actor to get worse as time goes on?

  17. Profile photo of mayjadjor
    mayjadjor

    tvlover… I don’t see how Jason has sent Liz any mixed signals at all. Almost every single conversation they’ve had since they’ve been in contact has been about Jason’s pain over losing Sam and his responsibility in her child’s “death”. He kissed her once for revenge against McBam on the bridge, stopped, and immediately apologized and admitted he was using her out of anger. Then they kissed after Liz threw him that b-day party and he stopped it then too and told her he wouldn’t be with her, whether he got Sam back or not. Every other thing he did, (saving her, being there for her to talk to) was stuff he’s done with Carly, Robin and Brenda thousands of times over the years. Liz’s problem when it comes to Jason is that she always reads more into their interactions than is really there. Yes, Jason turns to her in his sadness over Sam, but he’s very obvious about it, and Liz knows it. She’s not stupid. She’s just willingly blind when it comes to Jason’s real feelings and the fact that Liz is not the woman he loves. He hasn’t even pretended she’s the woman he loves in years. And today it couldn’t have been more plain. If Liz truly thought Jason had feelings for her and truly thought he cared more about her than just her usual place as his consolation prize, then she wouldn’t need to resort to trickery and lies to get him.

    On another topic, I’m really liking Kristina and Trey, which is surprising to me. They’ve grown on me lately and I’m looking forward to what happens with them next.

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    tealita

    [quote=mayjadjor]The best part about the Jiz scenes was Jason’s indifference and pity toward Liz. He was irritated with her, yes, but it almost seemed like he didn’t think it was worth it to get all riled up over her. She opened a vein, pathetically begging for a reason why he refused to give them a chance, and all Jason could say was that he didn’t know what she wanted to hear. There were no words or actions toward her to give comfort. No empathy or acting like he understood her actions. He didn’t even seem to relate to her when she pulled the Jake card. I just had the feeling that he understood what it was like to screw up so royally because of his recent mistakes toward Sam. That and the fact that he didn’t need to have a screaming fight with Liz to be done with her, which he obviously is. The most animated and excited Jason was in the entire episode was when he asked Liz for the real results and when Liz left and he started talking to McBain about the baby. Jason just doesn’t love Liz and the danger excuse was just that… an excuse because he thinks she’s too mentally weak to deal with the truth, that he doesn’t want her.[/quote]

    Thank you, mayjadjor. This is what I saw in Jason, too: the lack of surprise and a worn-out desire to put one foot in front of the other and just move on.

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    sassysdreams

    mayjadjor – Beautifully said, all of your posts!!! I agree with them!!! :love:

    JASAMMABBY, tealita – :love:

    If today’s show was supposed to make me feel sympathy for the pathetic Lizzibitch, it totally failed!!! All I could do as she was begging Jason to forgive her was roll my eyes. We’ll see what she has to say to Sam tomorrow but since she usually blames other people for ALL of her problems and actions, I doubt I will change my mind. :Sp :Sp

    Kristina and Joe Jr.’s scenes were just not good.

    I enjoyed Maxie and Ellie getting to know each other and loved when Maxie said to herself that she can’t even hate her because she’s too nice.

    Loved the Sam and John scenes!! I’m glad they stopped after the kiss and realized that neither was emotionally free to move on yet. But boy do they have SMOKING HOT chemistry!!! ME is the cat’s meow!!! :* :love:

    The wedding fell flat for me. I cannot believe that after Connie’s outburst Sonny hasn’t figured out yet that Kate is really Connie!!!

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    Tris Drake

    Rebecca was fantastic and looked flawless crying. I’m glad she finally expressed her bitterness. Jason not yelling at her had nothing to do with indifference. But that was a nice try. The
    facts are that Jason had lied about paternity more than once so who is he to judge? He pretty much owned that. Please stop wasting Johnny on this nonsense! I know they want Carly/Todd but they didn’t have to ruin Johnny. A gang banging rapist isn’t a much better choice. If Joe wants to kill Krissy,get it over with. I can’t stand het trying to put fear on him by blabbering about Sonny. Sonny hasn’t been scary in years.

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    GHFan777

    RH is one of the few actors on this show that can reduce me to tears as I watch her scenes. I cried right along side her today. She was superb…. and I agree she nailed it. BRAVO I still hate this plot point…but I agree with J Bernard Jones’ post, it did tie it all up.

    Only a day passed, before she came to Jason and confessed. She lost sleep over it. I seem to remember Sam just drinking herself into oblivion, and lying to everyone back in 2007…(Jason, Lucky, and the police) for for 2 and half weeks before Jake was found. Heck she even paid Liz a visit and told her that Jake was dead…Unbelievable….Anyway I am glad Liz is apologizing to Sam today, just because it shows her to be a better person than Sam.

    NuKrisina is a horrible actress…Just horrible…I can’t even watch her scenes because of the faces she makes. Please send her back to college and recast Lexi back when she comes home again.

    I am not really interested in anything on the show at this time with the exception of Sam getting her baby back. I could care less about Kate/Connie…Joe Jr and Trey….BORING. I really hope Ron C has something else planned for this show…With SBu leaving, he will have quite a few of Steve’s fans abandoning the ship…He will need to step up his game more than ever now. Using these characters that no one really cares about is not the answer. That is just creating more apathy.

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    SZima

    Rebecca did a wonderful job of acting, but I’m relieved that Elizabeth spilled the beans as soon as she did and that Jason didn’t tell her it was “OK” as he so often does. She finally went too far with her Jason obsession and I’m glad she was forced to realize it before SB leaves the show.

    I’m sooo looking forward to the shows for the rest of the week. Finally it appears we will get resolutions to SOME of these stories.

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    timepass

    It is so obvious which people like Liz as a character and who does not. So for the people who don’t thank you for your opinion but us people who like her can also keep our opinion, it is called respect; look it up it will you do a world of goods.

    As a fan I also think that Liz was out of character; couls she lies, you bet she did to cover herself she even cheated on people. Would she keep a woman away from her child, hell to the no. THAT action goes against who she is as a nurse and as a mother who lost a child too.

    Si I think that RC pushed Liz under the bus for an anticlimactic doubtful result and that RH played it to the hilt.
    I am very disapointed in GH and I am thinking of quiting too, I’ll see we have been burned by Guza for so long that hoping it will get better is very hard.

    Kate/sonny whinning obnousxious Kristina/Trey Michael/Starr all garbage TV.

    Today Liz is OOC, tomorrow it will be?

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    GHFan777

    Oh and for the posters that said that Jason didn’t care enough over Liz’s confession…See now I saw it totally different. Jason has never yelled at Liz…unlike Sam…or threatened to kill her for that matter…like SAM. Jason loves Liz and always will. He would never turn on her. They share a very strong bond that knows a history of 13 years…He knows her motivations are not bad…just confused and emotional. There is no evil intent…just bad judgement. There is a difference…and Jason is intelligent enough, and knows her as well…. to understand this….And like Jason said himself…at least she admitted it…no one caught her…she came clean on her own…and that always counts.

    I also think that Jason feels responsible for some of the pain that Liz is feeling. He did walk away from her and her kids for their own good….not because the love was not there.

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    ANGELWENDY15

    I have to agree with a lot of the comments that RH did some great acting, even though a lot of Liz’s actions were out of character. But, when she talked about losing Jake, and Sam watching him being kidnapped and saying nothing, it does explain her emotions. Losing a child would affect any Mom and she felt this was her last chance for happiness with Jason. RH brought so much emotion to the scenes while Jason, as usual just stared. I read Burton’s last day is Oct. 22nd, so I guess they have to close out the whole storyline with Sam and the baby fast. I give kudos to RH for making the scenes with Jason very touching and may-be realizing, why Liz went to such lengths to try and find happiness with the man she always loved.

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    Ravennite613

    [quote=GHFan777]Oh and for the posters that said that Jason didn’t care enough over Liz’s confession…See now I saw it totally different. Jason has never yelled at Liz…unlike Sam…or threatened to kill her for that matter…like SAM. Jason loves Liz and always will. He would never turn on her. They share a very strong bond that knows a history of 13 years…He knows her motivations are not bad…just confused and emotional. There is no evil intent…just bad judgement. There is a difference…and Jason is intelligent enough, and knows her as well…. to understand this….And like Jason said himself…at least she admitted it…no one caught her…she came clean on her own…and that always counts.[/quote]

    This for the WIN – I had to watch and while I was beyond thrilled that RC at least had the decency to mention the kidnapping because for me that has never been touched before.

    I still hate her being sacrified at the alter of JaSpam but I can’t do anything about that now.

    Lizziebitch – wow nice mouth but so not surprised

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    mayjadjor

    [quote=GHFan777]Oh and for the posters that said that Jason didn’t care enough over Liz’s confession…See now I saw it totally different. Jason has never yelled at Liz…unlike Sam…or threatened to kill her for that matter…like SAM. Jason loves Liz and always will. He would never turn on her. They share a very strong bond that knows a history of 13 years…He knows her motivations are not bad…just confused and emotional. There is no evil intent…just bad judgement. There is a difference…and Jason is intelligent enough, and knows her as well…. to understand this….And like Jason said himself…at least she admitted it…no one caught her…she came clean on her own…and that always counts.[/quote]

    If Jason loved Liz, he’d have reacted at least once to her yesterday when she was practically on her knees begging for a chance with him. But he didn’t. All he did was look at her like she was a nutcase and let her rant until she left. He offered her no comfort at all. All he did was tell her that he understood her situation and then he moved on to get Sam’s baby back without a second thought to Liz. And the way it is on soaps, the meant to be couples are always written to have huge screaming fights and rip each other’s hearts out. The blah non-couples are the ones that never fight and when the man pats the crazy lady on the head and tells her to have a nice day while he goes back to the woman he loves. That’s what has always been the difference between JaSam and Jiz. Like JaSam or not, but they have had a real relationship, years and a life together, good times and bad times, screaming passionate fights, and passionate love. Jiz? LOL. Nope. Jason showed her no sympathy or comfort yesterday. He was just done. He didn’t even disagree with her when she said she just burned down their entire friendship because he agreed. She just wasn’t worth arguing with in her pathetic state. Jason has told Sam more than once that she has the power to hurt him, so when she does, he loses control of his emotions. Liz doesn’t have that same power over Jason. He’s always been able to take her or leave her, and that was true WAY before Sam showed up.

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    TV Gord

    [quote=timepass]Would she keep a woman away from her child, hell to the no.[/quote]

    I guess you missed yesterday’s show, where Liz said she was prepared to do exactly that.

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    GHFan777

    Hi May…while I respect your opinion and passion for your couple…I will never agree with your assessment of Liason. To each their own…Different strokes for different folks…etc….I actually liked Jasam01, and EET will tell you, I actually like Sam… I also love McBam.

    The show has a lot to do right now, tying up the loose ends before SBu leaves…Ron C already said on Twitter, he would not have had Liz do what she just did, if not for SBu leaving….and Liason fans were finally going to get their couple…so it is what it is…A soap…and soaps are notorious for their schizophrenic flip flops with characters. They really needed to bring Jasam back together fast because of his departure. They had to tie up this baby story…so that is why Jasam fans are reaping the rewards right now. All I know is that Jasam fans seem to be very jealous of a woman that Jason supposedly never loved….That says it all in reality.

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    thecourt99

    First of all, RB rocked her scenes. It is rare for an actress to do the ugly cry and still be beautiful. I felt her emotion, even though the story rang hollow.

    Why did it ring hollow? It is a matter of preference. When it comes to story beats such as this, I prefer build-up in advance, rather than explanation after the fact. I mean, even in a whodunit story, most of the viable suspects are seen in advance having a reason for “doing it”. I think about Matt being the one that killed the Ford daddy on OLTL, and that is how I feel about Liz’s explanation.

    Was it a good one? Sure. Is it reasonable? Sure. So why is it still hollow? I am a rather new GH viewer. I began watching when Krissy was a punching bag – that is the story that finally drew me to GH. Since I have been watching, I have never seen Sam’s actions addressed on screen. I have seen in on the boards, but not on screen. Further, I have not seen Liz show any interest in Jason – although gratefully, they have been showing their connection recently. She has had a few scenes with Sam, and in those scenes, I never saw Liz display any ill will towards Sam. So to me, having her do something this drastic out of anger for something that Sam did in the past…is a bit out of left field for a viewer in my position.

    She went from having a connection to Jason….to changing a DNA test to keep Sam out of his life, even though last week and the week before she was well aware that Jason still loved Sam. Given how she made assumptions about Nik with Brooke, I could buy that as her sole motivation…but it wasn’t.

    Then you throw in her sympathy for Tea…which is a ?????

    It seems that so many reasons were thrown in the mix, that it confused the issue for me.

    I hate to say this…but I think they should have left Sam’s past out of it. While it is valid, there was no buildup or evidence of it and it seems like she used her real pain as a scapegoat. There may be some new viewers that started watching when OLTL was cancelled…and those that aren’t on the blogs who are wondering what the hell did Sam did and when????

    So yeah…hollow.

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    mayjadjor

    [quote=GHFan777]Hi May…while I respect your opinion and passion for your couple…I will never agree with your assessment of Liason. To each their own…Different strokes for different folks…etc….I actually liked Jasam01, and EET will tell you, I actually like Sam… I also love McBam.
    The show has a lot to do right now, tying up the loose ends before SBu leaves…Ron C already said on Twitter, he would not have had Liz do what she just did, if not for SBu leaving….and Liason fans were finally going to get their couple…so it is what it is…A soap…and soaps are notorious for their schizophrenic flip flops with characters. They really needed to bring Jasam back together fast because of his departure. They had to tie up this baby story…so that is why Jasam fans are reaping the rewards right now. All I know is that Jasam fans seem to be very jealous of a woman that Jason supposedly never loved….That says it all in reality.[/quote]

    I’m sorry, but I always laugh at this suggestion that JaSam fans are jealous of Liz. Why would I be jealous of Liz or Jiz? They never got a relationship. Their child was killed, and it was Liz’s fault. Every time Liz has pathetically chased Jason down, begging for sex or a chance to be with him, he’s turned her down. And yesterday was the final nail in the coffin. It was clear in Jason’s non-reaction to her tantrum yesterday and in her scenes with Sam when she FINALLY, after all these years of rejection and making up a relationship with Jason in her head, that she said she and Jason would never be together. She finally gets it. Liz begged Jason for a reason why he never gave her a chance yesterday. Did he tell her it was because he loved her so much that he couldn’t risk her life? Did he tell her he’s never thought he was good enough for her? No. He brushed her off. Because it finally dawned on him and her that his danger crap was an excuse and that he actually would fight for the woman he loves, which is what he’s doing with Sam. I get that people see things different, and that’s how I see it. But jealous of Liz? Hilarious. Liz looked like an absolute loon yesterday. She made an utter fool of herself and Jason just pitied her.

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    mufasa

    I hate Liz. She is a whiny baby…..get her off the show….
    SO why do we have no scenes with Felicia and Mac? She comes to town and they get back together and we just accept that? We need to see them and we need funny Coleman back….love Ellie and if she IS working with Duke, I ain’t happy…
    Connie is funny but it’s ridiculous that people can’t figure it out….

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    blackjack21

    I haven’t read all the comments yet, so i apologize if i repeat a thought.

    1st – there were several top notch performances yesterday. KS is fun even if i like MW in the role better. BB plays conflicted hero-villain like no one’s business. And then there was RH. Her delivery was spot on.

    2nd – I do not understand why anyone thinks Liz’s actions and her subsequently quick confession were anything but in character. She has always been a knee-jerk, selfish, passionate person. I mean no disrespect when I say “selfish.” Without rehashing her whole history, Liz has had the capability to go after what she wants (or thinks she wants) and still take care of the people she loves.

    I also don’t think it villainized Liz. I think it proves my point of view about being selfish (not wanting Jason with Sam) and compassionate (considering Tea’s feelings even if it was a mere extension of Liz’s own sense of loss).

    I also don’t see how it made Sam anymore sympathetic. How does reminding everyone about Sam’s own lapses in judgment and,yes, character, make her more sympathetic?

    Both women have had many major losses and lost their minds and their ways bye making some horrible choices.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Couple of responses to folks

    777 – I think jake was missing on screen for a couple of weeks but GH time was only three days (not that three days is not a big deal in and of itself). There was a scene that I watched a bit of yesterday with sam and jason when sam talked about how those three days hit her – that she did something in a moment of weakness and then was overwhelmed with guilt and fear and sorrow and that for her that was rock bottom.

    Mayjador and Jasam great posts! I would only add one thought – yes jason was a little indifferent yesterday when everything came out which i attribute not only to the lack of fire in his belly for liz, but also his guilt (that he wasnt with her, that hes done nothing to help her grieve jake, and that hes not choosing her now) That said, we have to remember that jason STILL believes the baby is francos and that the child is safe with tea. When jason flipped with sam, HIS child had been taken by a woman he didnt know. Once Jason finds out that Sams baby has been taken by heather and liz’s actions gave heather the opportunity, he is going to be a lot less forgiving, esp. if somewhere in this he finds out Sams baby is HIS baby. I dont think we have heard the last of jasons reaction to this and I fully expect once he processes things there will be some blowback.

    TVGORD – TOO FUNNY! yep her entire backstory is out of character.

    JBernard I agree with you that Liz came off at least somewhat sympathetic. I just think its funny that the same people who argue that sam did what she did during the SOS out of malice and had ZERO sympathy for the fact that she lost Lila, Hope and her ability to have children in the future (at that point they believed that). I have ALWAYS felt that losing a child is such a profound grief that yes it can drive you to do things you would not otherwise do. The difference is I dont just claim that for my gal, i extend that rationale to both women.

    About the crying – i have to say that while i thought her performance was one where RH raised the bar over her norm, i wasnt moved by the crying. Ive always sort of thought that RH is way too concerned about being beautiful whilst crying – which she was – and that because of that the performance is less raw compared someone like say laura wright. When LW cries it seems to come from the gut and from the backstory, and she lays it all out in emotional scenes like this. Because I feel her concentrating on her appearance, it sort of reminds me that she is acting and that pulls me out of the scene. I also didnt care for her approach with sam, which might be from the order in which things were filmed. Here she supposedly had such regret about what she did and yet shes sort of gloating and snarky with sam about having pulled off the lie.

    I call foul on the tea crap. Oh yeah poor tea, thats what liz was thinking. It would be one thing if this wasnt the story of two moms who BOTH desperately want the kid. If the mom was someone like connie (not kate) who was indifferent, I could see liz having sympathy to only one mom, but thats not what we are looking at. The fact that she played that card felt calculated. Also, as I said yesterday, i cry foul on the whole if sam hadnt watched maureen jake would be alive crap. Like mayjador said that is total bunk.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    BTW I agree with the post about kristina and trey growing on me. I was actually kind of invested in watching him look for her and his growing panic when he couldnt find her.

    and yes, blackjack, i agree BBa was awesome as usual.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Going to add one thing about owning a characters misdeeds since that was brought up in both yes. and todays thread.

    my favorite character is anna. Anna CLEARLY has a past. she WAS a double agent with all that entailed. The story as told was that being with robin and raising robin profoundly changed her, and basically made her in to the heroine she is today. What she might have been capable of in the past is dramatically changed compared to what would be believable now.

    sam too has MANY terrible things in her past. She WAS a con woman with all that entailed. She convinced herself that jasons love changed her but that IMHO she didnt know what she needed at that time and jason only fulfilled some of that. She did TERRIBLE things during the sos and while her emotional state doesnt excuse or condone those things, its something i think explains why she did what she did. I empathize with the why not the what the same way i empathize with liz losing a child. That said, sam was changed by family the way anna was. Finding alexis gave her acceptance and guidance from a parent which sam longed for her entire life, and having molly and kristina viewing her as a role model too created a change in sam. We saw it with this breakup – where her reactions were calm and she even turned away john saying she needed to take things slow and not be reactionary. She has a foundation now with the davis coven that she never had before and that made gave her stability – that transformed her in to the heroine she is today. Do i own and see sams history – of course – but i also believe under certain circumstances characters grow, some more than others.

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    JasamForever

    @mayjadjor- I love your posts!! I cosign on all of them

    Sorry but I personally did not think Becky did a good job acting wise on those scenes. Whenever there is crying involved for her, she comes off as a child having a temper tantrum. All Jason could do after her confession was just look at her. I did not see any love, or any emotion toward Liz at all. For those Laison fans that are saying that Lasion was bet until SB decided to leave, I call not true. Based on the spoilers I was hearing they were never going to fully have their chance even before SB decided to leave. Liz bringing up Sam involvement with Jake’s kidnapping and one of her reasons to not let Sam have HER baby was just so foul. How long ago was Jake’s kidnapping again, and didn’t Sam save YOUR child during the Karpov storyline!!!! If Sam had not been around and wanting to make things right with Elizabeth and Jason, then Jake may have well been burned up alive, because Jason sure could not get to him!!! Also, Liz knows Sam, but she does not know Tea. So you mean to tell me she has more compassion for a mother she does not know, over one that she does know who has actually tried to help your family? Sam also helped keep Liz’s behind alive, while she was chasing after Jason, and determined to be with him no matter what, even if it did put her children in danger. So pathetic. I think Jason had nothing to say as well because he was just amazed at the person Liz really is. To keep Sam away from her child just because you also wanted Jason and the excuse the baby was happy with Tea. As a mother, how could you even justify that? I hope Liz goes to Shadybrook after this and receives the help she so desparately needs.

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    blackjack21

    EET – the irony, of course, is that Sam and Liz are basically having the same stories and responding the same way and all the fans are adamant the responses and stories are both sooooooo different! :P

    Both women had suffered the loss of a child, both women were/are jealous of what the other woman has (baby/Jason), and both made really stupid choices based on those feelings.

    the only difference (besides Sam thinking she’d never have children) in my opinion is that Liz and Jason spent months driving Sam crazy by denying anything more than friendship (and by this i mean Jake, not an actual relationship). I know how insane one can feel when everyone keeps telling them to not trust your gut and you’re imagining things.

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    mayjadjor

    EET… I believe Liz is still grieving for Jake but I think most of her motivation for hiding the truth about the DNA was the fact that she wants Jason and is jealous of Sam. I didn’t believe her crap about feeling sorry for Tea, and I thought she pulled the Jake card because she knows it’s her only leverage with Jason. If she went off about the kidnapping, what could he say? That she’s full of crap? Of course, we all know that Liz forgave Sam for that years ago and had no problem with Sam being around Jake. Hell, she packed both her boys up and happily let Sam and Lucky take them camping because she was so eager to drop her pants for Jason in Italy. So, that rang false to me for sure. Especially since all yesterday consisted of a temper tantrum and meltdown, and what it all came down to was her obsession with Jason and anger that her feelings for him were never returned. Actually, it seemed like those scenes were more about Liz getting a clue and finally letting go than about Sam and her baby. Yes, RC said if SBu wasn’t leaving, Liz wouldn’t have switched the DNA. But this was always going to be the outcome. Liz was always going to have to face Jason choosing Sam over her in the end. And if SBu had stayed, it would have just given RC more time to give Liz the full on Marty treatment. Jiz would have probably had sex one night when Jason saw Sam with John or something, and that would have been Liz’s motivation for going crazy.

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    JasamForever

    @EET- I agree as well with Liz’s approach. Why have the tears, and just be oh so regretful and remoreseful with Jason but AS SOON as you get to Sam, your true snarkiness and bitchiness come out, especially after YOU have done something wrong. This is why I cannot stand Liz!!

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    EricasEvilTwin

    aww crap now I have to defend liz just a little…..mayjador I cant decide if most of this is about jake or about jason and thats part of why im not more critical yet. Having forgiven sam back in the day might be different now for all the reasons liz gave when sam was blaming jason for danny dying – that you dont want to face YOUR part in it. She might have been working up in her mind now for the last year that IF ONLY sam hadnt allowed maureen to take jake, things would be different. I think that gives her a way not to think about the fact that SHE didnt have locks on the door and SHE was distracted by yet another paternity test because SHE lied and cheated. We know that jake getting kidnapped was horrible but in the end really made no difference in what happened to him so many years later. I have to see what more comes out to know how much of this is jason and how much is jake. And yes, blackjack – thats what bothers me here, that I give liz credit for being a grieving mom when liz ffs on this board never considered sams grief in her choices.

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    mayjadjor

    [quote=JasamForever]@EET- I agree as well with Liz’s approach. Why have the tears, and just be oh so regretful and remoreseful with Jason but AS SOON as you get to Sam, your true snarkiness and bitchiness come out, especially after YOU have done something wrong. This is why I cannot stand Liz!![/quote]

    Well, I think that’s why we saw Jason so indifferent toward her and basically have no reaction. Nothing she said seemed to sink in with him or move him in any way. I think this idea that he has of Liz as some Robin type person, who always tells the truth and who is so giving and loving to others is a lie. Sam and Carly have been telling Jason for years that Liz is a manipulative, conniving bitch and he saw it for himself yesterday.

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    liason4real

    Let’s be real, SBu went from caring about his character to just “doing his job” when JaSam reconciled back in 2009. In the most recent Liason scenes, Liz/RH did all of the work while Jason/SBu was probably thinking about packing up his dressing room!

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    curacaoman

    Why do people forget that Sam saved Liz and her kids when the Russian mob went after them to punish Jason? The mob went after her because Jason and Liz were still sleeping together despite having given Lucky their word that they would not!

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    timepass

    [quote=TV Gord][quote=timepass]Would she keep a woman away from her child, hell to the no.[/quote]

    I guess you missed yesterday’s show, where Liz said she was prepared to do exactly that.[/quote]

    It’s people like you that make me avoid this site. Some are fans some are fanatics. Anything about GH seems to brings the worst in people.

    Have it your ways, all yours.

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    maxsmom

    [quote=TV Gord]timepass, if you’re going to state an opinion, you have to expect that it’s going to be challenged, if someone disagrees.[/quote]
    Romney and Obama disagree. LizFF and SamFF have gone to the mattresses.

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    Kazy24

    First off I must say I will FOREVER see Liz as Jason’s one true love. Their chemistry and their history is spectacular. Nothing anyone on here says can change that. Just as I will always see scam as the mob moll who has no business raising a child. But that is just me. I don’t expect everyone else to think this way.

    I haven’t watched for a while and just recently caught up. I hate what Liz did. But I still love her. And I like that she confessed instead of dragging it out. Do I think that writing for RH has been spotty crap in recent years? Yes I do. Do I try to make an excuse for every little thing she does wrong? Nope. While I am not buying her tampering with the jasam relationship in such a way after being their number 1 cheerleader I like (in a way) that she has made mistakes that she has had to own up to. It makes her character more relate-able (obviously not everything she does is relate-able as this is a soap) and realistic.

    And RH was fantastic as usual!

    GHfan777 post #25= GOLDEN! :star: :star: :star: :star: :star:

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    JASAMMABBY

    I will say that it stinks for Liason fans that they couldn’t at least let them go on a date dressed up. However the scene played out how I have always seen the relationships of Jasam and Liason. There was Liz pouring her heart out and all Jason could do was stare and worry about Sam. Thats how it has always been to me. Liz going for Jason and Jason thinking of Sam. I must admit that for the last few months Kemo and RH have been doing the heavy lifting in the scenes with Steve..

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    mayjadjor

    [quote=JASAMMABBY]I will say that it stinks for Liason fans that they couldn’t at least let them go on a date dressed up. However the scene played out how I have always seen the relationships of Jasam and Liason. There was Liz pouring her heart out and all Jason could do was stare and worry about Sam. Thats how it has always been to me. Liz going for Jason and Jason thinking of Sam. I must admit that for the last few months Kemo and RH have been doing the heavy lifting in the scenes with Steve..[/quote]

    I agree with what you said about the difference between JaSam and Jiz. When things are going well for JaSam, he doesn’t even speak to Liz or think of her. Hell, she’ll be ready to hurl herself off the hospital roof and be checked into a loony bin and Jason won’t even call or check in on her. Her youngest son was kidnapped by HIS ENEMY right after his birth and Jason didn’t even call her, before or after the fact. So, no, I don’t believe this great hidden love Jason had for Liz when he constantly refused her a relationship and never claimed to love her until years later when she gave him an accidental child he didn’t even claim. I disagree about Steve being checked out in his scenes. The scenes he’s had with Sam, from their fights over John, to the night she moved out, to all the angst they felt when they ran into each other, to the scenes when they decided to divorce, Steve brought it every single time. I don’t think yesterday’s scenes showed that Steve was checked out and uninterested in the scenes. They showed that JASON was checked out and done with Liz. He had a few words of dialogue for a reason. He made no attempt to comfort her for a reason. He didn’t touch her or stand close to her for a reason. Those are all directing and writing choices that have nothing to do with Steve. Those scenes were about Liz realizing she’s spent 13 years being delusional about her place in a hitman’s life. Today’s scenes with Sam proved that too.

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    Cyberologist

    Not sure when his last air date is some say October 22nd, others early November…all I know the vileness that is JaSam will finally be over that’s the good news. Unfortunately this storyline will be Steve’s last. (Unless he comes back for a guest spot which he said he is willing to do at some point).

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