HomeTVLove Thy NeighborOWN Buys Soap ‘The Haves and The Have Nots’ From Tyler Perry Studios Jillian Bowe December 13, 2012 51 Comments Oprah Winfrey's BFF Tyler Perry will have scripted series airing on OWN sooner than we thought. Deadline is reporting OWN has ordered a drama entitled The Haves and The Have Nots from Tyler Perry Studios. The serial will center on the rich Cryer family and the ne'er-do-well clan of Hanna, the Cryer's housekeeper. Based on Perry's play of the same name,The Haves and The Have Nots will focus on the two families overcoming many obstacles, while trying to keep their secrets hidden. OWN also bought Love Thy Neighbor, a laffer about the staff and customers of the fictional Love's Diner. Photos by PR Photos 51 Responses GertieGal December 14, 2012 Are these soap operas???? I thought she didn’t want to buy soaps (ABC’s, in particular)because they were not a favorable investment???? Log in to Reply MsAgentProvocateur1 December 14, 2012 I truly doubt this will be in the vein of Daytime soaps which are basically five days a week. This will more likely be once a week, with a seasonal type cycle (a la Desperate Housewives or Revenge). Log in to Reply nysam December 14, 2012 Oprah certainly could have bought AMC & OLTL and made them weekly shows, but I guess she didn’t love soaps as much as she acted like she did. Log in to Reply missmuffett41 December 14, 2012 I guess starting a whole new soap was cheaper than buying the rights to OLTL and AMC. Log in to Reply J Bernard Jones December 14, 2012 Non-union. Very likely co-financed with Tyler Perry Studios. Ultra cheap. No surprise. Log in to Reply SoapSnob December 14, 2012 Or maybe Oprah is a smart business woman who did not want to take a chance on an extremely damaged brand. And ABC truly damaged AMC and OLTL. Log in to Reply soapjunkie88 December 14, 2012 Looks to me like Oprah thought that no one wants to see scripted shows anymore and certainly no soap operas. She could have bought AMC and OLTL. Without a doubt. But she said that talk shows and other non-scripted programs would be more successful. Look where OWN landed with that strategy. Rosie O’Donnell spend how many months on that network six or five? Log in to Reply Patchworks December 14, 2012 Damn. We are such a tough crowd today. I agree with Soap Snob. She didn’t want to buy damaged brands and why should she? Furthermore, if her strategy to utilize talk shows and other non-scripted programs was not as successful as she would have liked, why shouldn’t she be permitted to adapt and change her mind. That’s what life is all about. There’s a new scripted drama coming on OWN. It might be good. It might not. To be honest, I don’t care for Tyler Perry projects. But let’s not vilify it before it even has the chance to begin. Log in to Reply Thankulord13 December 14, 2012 Actually she said it would not be fiscally smart to invest in the defunct ABC serials. At the end of the day Oprah is a business woman and she would not be where she is at if she was fiscally irresponsible. Log in to Reply liason4real December 14, 2012 I thought ABC spent $40 to $50 million per soap each year which is why they finally shutdown AMC & OLTL and gave the money to Katie? Log in to Reply SoapSnob December 14, 2012 PS: Part of the damaging of that brand was ABC’s fiscal irresponsibility. And, in line with Patchworks and Thankulord, it was/is Oprah’s smart businesswoman prerogative to do what she felt was/is all-around best for HER brand. Log in to Reply josser December 14, 2012 J. Bernard, Perry’s productions are all union-based. OWN is part of Discovery Networks and is probably covered by its agreements with different unions. I can’t imagine Oprah would ruin her brand by not having union covered actors. Log in to Reply robertscorpio December 14, 2012 [quote=MsAgentProvocateur1]I truly doubt this will be in the vein of Daytime soaps which are basically five days a week. This will more likely be once a week, with a seasonal type cycle (a la Desperate Housewives or Revenge).[/quote] I agree. I think it will probably be produced as a weekly nightime serial with a certain number of ordered episodes per season. And for those who are saying she could have bought AMC and OLTL, it wasn’t her responsibility to save these shows. Log in to Reply jaredbradshaw December 14, 2012 What happened to her little video taped speech after fans begged her to air ONE LIFE TO LIVE and AMC? I guess she’s only interested if the show comes from one of her “own”. This woman is an egomaniac and a joke. Log in to Reply Divatude58 December 14, 2012 Why in the world would Oprah, a black woman, save daytime soaps that have been so racists towards black women when she can start her own. I will be watching this although i am not at all fond of Tyler Perry. Anyway, paging Victoria Rowell…. Log in to Reply bottomchef December 14, 2012 if this soap is abt a rich black family then that would be great! there needs to be more racial diversity on soaps and more diverse portrayals of racial minorities. all the daytime soap operas and primetime soaps have rich families that are white. enough already! quite frankly it’s racist to keep portraying white families as rich on soaps. it only serves to regurgitate white privilege status and marginalize racial minorities. a rich black family would bring a new dynamic to tired soap operas. maybe this should be victoria rowell’s comeback vehicle. Log in to Reply Marcelle December 14, 2012 Even if they are five day a week serial dramas, WHY is it Oprah’s responsibility to save AMC and OLTL? Log in to Reply Divatude58 December 14, 2012 [quote=bottomchef]if this soap is abt a rich black family then that would be great! there needs to be more racial diversity on soaps and more diverse portrayals of racial minorities. all the daytime soap operas and primetime soaps have rich families that are white. enough already! quite frankly it’s racist to keep portraying white families as rich on soaps. it only serves to regurgitate white privilege status and marginalize racial minorities. a rich black family would bring a new dynamic to tired soap operas. maybe this should be victoria rowell’s comeback vehicle.[/quote] You are reading my mind. Let the two core families be black and Asian…or a IR/mixed couple. And every ine else be Supporting Log in to Reply Divatude58 December 14, 2012 [quote=jaredbradshaw]What happened to her little video taped speech after fans begged her to air ONE LIFE TO LIVE and AMC? I guess she’s only interested if the show comes from one of her “own”. This woman is an egomaniac and a joke.[/quote] And what is wrong with Oprah only wanting one from her “own”? Log in to Reply bottomchef December 14, 2012 To Divatude58: he should stick w/ making the rich and poor family be black. he knows how to write certain kind of black chars. he does have his critics among black hollywood. he’s definitely not the best writer but he’s a lot better at writing for black chars than every daytime and primetime soap opera showrunners and writers that are white. “why did i get married too?” was ridiculously melodramatic and outrageously humorous. it was basically a soap only w/ rich black people. he knows what makes his core film audience propel his movies. all he needs to do is transfer his film formula to his soap. if his soap would have racial and class and gender issues w/ melodrama and some humor then it would broaden the kind of representation of racial minorities and provide new kinds of storylines and perspectives. that alone would make his soap better than majority if not all of the primetime and daytime soaps. enough w/ the soaps only being abt white rich chars. enough w/ marginalizing Latino and African american chars and very little Asian american chars. primetime soaps would only improve w/ more racial minority storylines. Log in to Reply Divatude58 December 14, 2012 @bottomchef, I agree. Both could be black. But I was thinking demographics. Just like it is not in the daytime shows best interest to have majority white characters and marginalize anyone of color (that use to work but minorities are becoming increasingly more intolerant of it and have stopped watching in droves), I don’t think it is in the best interest of this soap to do that either. Oprah seems smitten with Shonda Rhimes as well so I fully expect a show from her sometime in the future. And since it is Oprah’s network, she can get to decide who gets a show on her network, just like all the other networks. I definitely think this is the place and time for Victoria Rowell to show Sony/Y&R/CBS if she still has the juice. She could carry any soap IMO. She certainly carried Y&R for me. Log in to Reply bottomchef December 14, 2012 To Divatude: I agree w/ your sentiments. There should be racial diversity on this new soap. However the core rich and poor families should be black based on his aptitude as a writer. There should be supporting chars and more of them should be Latino and Asian american than white bec there is such a discrepancy w/ racial minority representation. Some of the older children of the rich black family could be married to Asian american chars. That would make the Asian american chars part of the core black family and thus be an avenue for mixed racial romantic storylines. I have been boycotting certain tv shows w/c have poor track records w/ diversity epsecially when the storylines and professional settings and locations would realistically have many racial minorities. What’s really annoying abt hollywood is that they love to proclaim how “liberal” and “progressive” they are and yet they write the most racist storylines and have write such harmful portrayals for racial minorities. Log in to Reply Divatude58 December 14, 2012 @bottomchef, if you are going with TPs track record and experience, I totally agree with your assesment. As for boycotting, I watched the first show of Dallas and haven’t watched another. There is no reason not to have a core black character on that soap. And as I see them hire for the second season, it’s more of the same. Whites non-hispanic and whites hispanics. No thanks. Let me just say, I live to boycott shows. Never watched a single episode of Friends or Sex in the City. Log in to Reply bottomchef December 14, 2012 [quote=Divatude58]I watched the first show of Dallas and haven’t watched another. There is no reason not to have a core black character on that soap. And as I see them hire for the second season, it’s more of the same. Whites non-hispanic and whites hispanics. No thanks. Let me just say, I live to boycott shows.[/quote] To Divatude: hollywood is messed up when it comes to racial minority representation. texas is very diverse w/ Asian americans and African americans and Latinos. It is messed up that white hispanics only get cast much to the detriment of darker skinned hispanics. it’s bec whiteness has to be portrayed as the physical “ideal” bec this is how these racists brainwash the broader popular culture and preserve their white privilege. casting is worse. there’s clearly a discrepancy w/ the lack of availability of roles for people of color and that most roles are written for whites. racist casting directors claim how an Asian american actor won’t be hired bec they need an actor w/ more experience and audience recognition and whatever bs they cook up and that’s why the role goes to the more known white actor. yet majority of the better fictional Asian roles get whitewashed and given to white actors. historical Asian figures like genghis khan are whitewashed and given to white actors who wear yellowface. chars based on real Asian americans get whitewashed and given to white actors. racist hollywood rigs the system against people of color. the “liberal” lunatics of hollywood idealize whiteness and write from the racist perspective that the audience can relate to all white chars bec they’re “universal” while people of color are for “niche” audiences. these same people love to talk against gay bullying yet they openly bully racial minorities thru their casting and chars. the mainstream entertainment media is racist. their descriptions of “girl next door” and even “classically beautiful” and especially “all american” are racial code words to describe whites. this same mainstream entertainment media from holywood and manhattan scream “homophobia” whenever they disapprove of lgbt chars and storylines. yet they openly discriminate against people of color. Log in to Reply ANGELWENDY15 December 14, 2012 I thought Oprah had said the soaps were dead and she had no interest in AMC and OLTL? But when her BF Tyler Perry makes one she’s all for his soaps. What a hyprocrite. I never watch her station anyway. Log in to Reply thecourt99 December 14, 2012 This is amazing. I am actually defending Oprah again. I will say this. It is her business and she can run it as she pleases. She should not be vilified in perpetuity because she chose not to invest in a daytime drama that had low ratings and was expensive. I believe that ABC was making it hard to buy as well by putting various conditions on the show (i.e. it HAD to be a 5 day serial). No one knows the economics here, but TP is well known for cheap shows and movies. We don’t know if this will be daily or weekly. Seasonal or year round. No one knows. So at least find out if the situations are comparable before you begin to bash and call people hypocrites. Log in to Reply missmuffett41 December 14, 2012 I didn’t care if Oprah saved AMC or OLTL. I just wanted someone to do something different with the daytime soap genre. Oprah, NBC, or ABC, I just wanted someone brave enough to change the format. Log in to Reply stoney07 December 14, 2012 Lets face the facts from a business standpoint: AMC and OLTL had been all but ruined. SOme may disagree, but obviously ABCD execs didn’t. OLTL had faced sort of a “resurgence” to some, but AMC struggled right up to the end and then went out with a bang according to some. These shows that were dropping in viewership cost 40-50 million a year, am I correct? And then we have Oprah Winfrey, who is JUST starting a new channel. Why on earth would a smart businesswoman like Oprah pick up to struggling shows that have just been CANCELLED by a network tv station? If ABC couldn’t get people to watch, what in the world could Oprah do, when not everyone even has her channel? It would’ve been too much of a heartache, because not only would she have to recontract most of those characters, but she’d have to get new writers, staff, etc…and then to be perfectly honest, the shows were cancelled in PART because PEOPLE WEREN’T WATCHING THEM!!! so why get upset with Oprah because she didn’t pick up a show that most people (even on THIS site) were boycotting anyway? that’s totally illogical. But as for Tyler Perry, I honestly think he would thrive with a weekly soap. Thats basically all he does anyway. He just needs a staff to balance him out. You can hear his rhetoric through all of his characters, so he needs to kick it up some notches and get out of Tyler Perry’s head and get into the heads of his characters. That’s my biggest criticism for him. The characters all speak a certain way. When I heard Janet Jackson utter “I’m not gon’ do it not one more time”…on For Colored Girs…I couldn’t help but cringe that a big time magazine owner such as herself would say something like that. But then as I looked at other movies,there were other characters that said the exact same thing. And as an English Major, it annoys the hell out of me. So Tyler Perry, you can do it sir…just think more CHARACTER and less TYLER. That’s all THE END Log in to Reply alstonboy4315 December 14, 2012 I was mad at Oprah for about 5 seconds for not picking up AMC and OLTL……then I moved on. No need in crying over spilled milk or holding silly grudges. Log in to Reply Ryan-Scott December 14, 2012 I would have loved if she would have picked up the soaps and kept them going. But she didn’t and it wasn’t her responsibility so whatever. What I am still pissed about is the Prospect Park bullshit. What a bunch of yahoos running that shit. Log in to Reply TV Gord December 14, 2012 The Prospect Park debacle just proved that there was no kind of economic plan that was going to make continuing the shows viable. They proved the same thing Oprah’s number-crunchers concluded…they just did it the hard way. Log in to Reply SoapGuyFlorida December 14, 2012 Another bad decision which wont help her struggling channel. If Discovery wasnt there to prop Oprah up with regurgitated shows from their main channels, OWN wouldnt have any viewers. OWN is basically the ID channel with a few Oprahs pet project thrown in. I still cant believe she actually thought a talk show with Rosie was a good idea. What that shows me is that she cares more about catering to her own interests than what viewers want. Quite the ego you have there Ms “cant get Stedman to marry me”… Log in to Reply angrierblackerman December 14, 2012 Ugh…those God Awful Gospel Plays…I can’t stomach them. Log in to Reply hey mon December 14, 2012 Sounds like a good thing. I like Tyler Perry movies, especially the focus on religion. I do think it would be great to have some Catholics on the show, too, since there a lot of African-American Catholics. I think it is VERY important to have an all-people of color main, central cast — if that’s what Oprah and Perry want. Log in to Reply logan_echolls December 14, 2012 First: It doesn’t matter that Oprah didn’t pick up AMC and OLTL. It would not have been good business wise. Second: I know that Oprah and Tyler are friends but Oprah better really watch what Tyler is doing. I love his plays but his movies and tv shows are horrible. His plays are like 1000x times better than his movies/tv. Third: Oprah better hire some writers in addition to Tyler’s writers. Tyler tends to go in left field (Why did I get married too) and completely destroy what could have been a good movie. Tyler needs someone to edit him. Oprah better be standing over Tyler during this whole project otherwise this will really hurt her network. Log in to Reply david46208 December 14, 2012 @J Bernard Jones: Right on point! You hit the nail right on the head. Log in to Reply david46208 December 14, 2012 @stoney07, Divatude58 & Bottomchef: Michele Val Jean needs to be hired to head write these soaps. Heck i’d even get Sally Sussman Morina on board. The two of them could do a good job together. Log in to Reply NathanHastingsSr. December 15, 2012 Tyler has stated that him and his late mother watched Y&R. Hello ,Victoria Rowell as the new matriarch for this soap! Log in to Reply Divatude58 December 15, 2012 [quote=NathanHastingsSr.]Tyler has stated that him and his late mother watched Y&R. Hello ,Victoria Rowell as the new matriarch for this soap![/quote] VR actually could carry a soap IMO. Unlike some others I could name whom Sony seem to mistakenly think can. But let the ratings show… Log in to Reply TV Gord December 15, 2012 I would definitely watch a Victoria Rowell headlined show. Log in to Reply NathanHastingsSr. December 15, 2012 One could only hope that Sony would give the fans what we want … They probably will hire Christel Khalil to star as the young protagonist smh Log in to Reply Spins Vixenella December 15, 2012 Just saying: thru 2nd Quarter of 2012, Oprah’s OWN has LOST upwards of $330 MILLION dollars in the past couple years. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140773/Oprahs-OWN-network-Losses-approach-330m-amid-predictions-axed-year.html Both AMC & OLTL still have brand equity, notwithstanding what Disney did to ruin them. Log in to Reply Marcelle December 16, 2012 Oprah has her own brand equity. I’m just trying to understand when/why it became Oprah’s responsibility to save AMC/OLTL. And OWN is on track to break even in the latter half of 2013, which isn’t bad for a nascent network. http://www.deadline.com/2012/12/discovery-david-zaslav-own-oprah-winfrey-financial-performance/ Log in to Reply SoapArmageddon December 16, 2012 Seriously people, instead of hating on Oprah for not using HER money to buy two defunct soaps that did not fit HER vision for HER network, you really should get out more and try living your best life. Daytime TV is much poorer for no longer having Oprah. Log in to Reply TheOldSoapster December 17, 2012 when oprah gave up on the soaps, i gave up on oprah. Log in to Reply TV Gord December 17, 2012 She didn’t give up on soaps any more than Donald Trump or Martha Stewart or President Obama did. Malcolm Forbes is one of the richest men in the world and he loved AMC. I guess he gave up on soaps, too. For heaven’s sake! Log in to Reply SoapArmageddon December 17, 2012 Maybe she did not want her brand associated with the foaming-at-the-mouth type of irrationality that some soap fans manifest at times. Log in to Reply SoapSnob December 17, 2012 LOVE it! Perfectly stated, SoapArmageddon. PERFECTLY STATED. Log in to Reply Llanview76 December 17, 2012 Don’t like 0, don’t care…HOWEVER, I like all of you and am reading all these potential ideas and encourage some of you to get off your butts and write a treatment. Find some friends that write scripts and know a thing or twelve about video technology and shoot your own soapy celluloid. Your own creation. Give “EMPIRE” and “DeVanity” some friendly competition. To be honest, I watch REVEN8E, and the show is so white it stings my eyes. I can’t believe we have to wait for these ideas to come to life via the networks. In the event, the only show 0 would or could save I put my money on it would have been CHILDREN. It’s her favorite, I mean God how many times have we watched the scene where she meets Pamela Kingsley. You got Lucci’s celebrity behind it, and she would have been able to do something unique with it like make it a bi-weekly serial. ONE LIFE is already integrated into the fabric of Port Charles, it would be cumbersome to try to pick up the story of the other beloved Llanview denizens. Just some thoughts, take them or leave them. Erik Log in to Reply Soap_Stud December 17, 2012 Exciting news. No matter how we feel about Oprah’s decision not to pick up AMC & OLTL, the fact she is trying this is a good thing. The more soaps, whether they are primetime or daytime, the better chance we have of keeping the genre alive. To the casting department, shall I suggest: Victoria Rowell, Renee Jones, Tamara Tunie, Debbi Morgan,Shenell Edmonds, Keith Hamilton Cobb, Peter Parros, & Lamman Rucker. Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens December 17, 2012 Oprah was never under any obligation to buy AMC and OLTL just because she was a media star who had professed love for soaps. Mainstream soap journos “encouraged” fans to bombard Oprah begging her to “save AMC and OLTL”, which was beyond misguided. She did a video attempting to politely decline, and it resulted in droves of unwarranted hatred. This new soap she bought will likely have a 10-13 episode run and will not cost near in the neighborhood of a daytime soap. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.