Fang Bangers, Port Charles Style: General Hospital Revisits Caleb, Livvie and Lucy's Vampire Saga!






From the moment John McBain (Michael Easton) first crossed paths with Samantha McCall Morgan (Kelly Monaco) the pair had the sense that they had known each other before; perhaps in another life? Starting January 14, General Hospital will begin exploring an arc questioning whether FBI agent-turned-cop McBain and P.I. McCall are really their Port Charles' alter egos — vampire rocker Caleb Morley and his bitch goddess beloved Livvie!

TV Guide's Michael Logan has the scoop on what happens when former vampire slayer Lucy Coe first spies John:

She completely freaks and screams, "Caleb!" says head writer Ron Carlivati. "Later Kelly's character, Sam, comes out of the ladies room and Lucy think it's Livvie." Lucy goes into full slayer mode and stabs John. He's rushed to the hospital. She ends up in the slammer.

Oh, this is gonna be fun! Hey, and on a side note, Caleb Morley isn't a character licensed by Prospect Park...


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All I gotta say is....it feels good to see that some of the same "critics" of other shows are now defending THEIR show.

*shoes on the other foot*

But back on subject....I remember Port Charles from when I was a kid (I'm only 23)...It was good in the beginning, and then the supernatural stuff hit and I stopped watching. HOWEVER, it depends on how Cartini spin the story. I don't just say this for Y&R, but I say it for all soaps. We can't just read spoilers or teasers and assume that something is going to be bad. We can at LEAST give it a chance. Some will like it, some won't...but I say at least try it before spitting it out.

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I am looking forward to this storyline, more Lucy Coe please Smile I trust Ron and Frank to have some fun while tying this into the larger GH canvas. After all OLTL's Fraternity Row arc was so meta and truly reflected the audience's feelings. Besides, this is GH's 50th anniversary why not honor the show's spinoff. I would not be surprised if Ron and Frank figure out a way to show Night Shift some love.

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If they are going to try to mesh the shows and play the lunacy of what was PC in it's final years and not just ignore it (which they should)... then why didn't Lucy while on PC ever comment on "Joshua" who was a vampire played by Ian Buchanan looking like "Duke" who she knew from her GH days in the 80s? Will Lucy see "Duke" and flip out thinking he is bad vamp "Joshua"? You can't play "Livvie/Sam" & "Caleb/John" without playing "Joshua/Duke".

This is going to make Lucy look stupid. Ugh!

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Nysam, maybe they will when Duke come back to PC?

Also don't forget that we haven't even learned about the guy who claimed he was Duke with Plastic Surgery after Ian Buchanan left the show in the late 80s. Unless we did and I don't remember it.

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Yeah truth hurts huh? Last time I looked adults were people able to accept opinions different that their own without name calling. Gee who is the "hater?" Food for thought. Chow down.

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Cartini strikes again with lame, idiotic storylines. Port Charles was a low rated dud that never made it out of last place. Why would any creative regime with half a brain dig up that junk. No one watched!
Port Charles will go down in soap history as a campy flop just like Passions. ABC was so desperate to save it that they turned to the vampire lore and that fell flat as well.
Ill be sure to tune this mess out. Cartini is going to ruin GH just like One Life to Live. Mark my words.

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Yeah, the sure ruined OLTL. With better ratings than GH in its last year!!!

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For those comparing the junk that Cartini writes to the wilder Gloria Monty stories like Freezing the world. You neglect a few key facts. The Ice Princess story was something completely new for soaps in the 80s.
Also the freezing the world angle was written by scab writers during the writer's strike.
Also the nation was so entranced with Luke and Laura at the time that they could have gotten away with almost anything. And also the Ice Princess story was well written and featured some of the best action remote sequences in soap history. Yes the weather machine conclusion was ridiculous but the spy story that lead up to it was brilliant and it introduced super spy Robert Scorpio who was totally unique to daytime at the time.
No way you can compare that story to the episodic mess that was the lackluster return of Faison as he impersonated Duke with a latex mask or this lame proposed revisitation of PC's desperate attempt to stay on the air. And final point-Cartini obviously dont have the budget to tell the wild and wooly stories of the 80s, Most of those stories subsisted on locations and big production values. This is the cost cutting new millennium. I mean that mask that Duke wore looked like something from a CVS drug store or the clearance wrack from Walmart! Get real people!

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For those comparing the junk that Cartini writes to the wilder Gloria Monty stories like Freezing the world. You neglect a few key facts. The Ice Princess story was something completely new for soaps in the 80s.
Also the freezing the world angle was written by scab writers during the writer's strike.
Also the nation was so entranced with Luke and Laura at the time that they could have gotten away with almost anything. And also the Ice Princess story was well written and featured some of the best action remote sequences in soap history. Yes the weather machine conclusion was ridiculous but the spy story that lead up to it was brilliant and it introduced super spy Robert Scorpio who was totally unique to daytime at the time.
No way you can compare that story to the episodic mess that was the lackluster return of Faison as he impersonated Duke with a latex mask or this lame proposed revisitation of PC's desperate attempt to stay on the air. And final point-Cartini obviously dont have the budget to tell the wild and wooly stories of the 80s, Most of those stories subsisted on locations and big production values. This is the cost cutting new millennium. I mean that mask that Duke wore looked like something from a CVS drug store or the clearance wrack from Walmart! Get real people!

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I loved Port Charles and Caleb and Livvie were my favorite couple of all time on soaps. I am so looking forward to this story
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Perhaps you have never heard of a little series of movies called Twilight or a tv show called True Blood. I think that Port Charles was ahead of it's time and a supernatural storyline can only increase ratings for GH. It will be by far more entertaining than the mob stories of Jason and Sonny ever were.

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Hey transfigurationjc, can we calm down until the story plays out!! Sounds like this is just a teaser and a small nod to Lucy's past on PC. I think the major reason they are writing this is to usher in the return of Kevin Collins.

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Stoney I say it speaks volumes that even as a 23 yr old you shut off PC when they went the supernatural route. That was a few yrs back so at the time you were probably a teen and even then you thought it was lame. That speaks volumes.
I get your point about giving something a chance but I say consider this: if something was a bust the first time why try it again? PC started on the bottom of the ratings heap and remained there for its entire run. It was a failure. So why revisit failure hoping for success? That's not intelligent or logical. If you touch a hot surface and get your hand burned do you touch it again with your other hand? Not if you're smart, lol.

BTW I love supernatural stories, especially vampires. I am quite older than you and I grew up watching the enormously successful gothic soap Dark Shadows. That show was a success because it was a gothic soap from day one. That was its genre and it was well written and it boasted some of daytime's best actors at the time. Many of them were veterans of the most popular soaps from all three networks and even Broadway and film stars! Dark shadows has been off the air for decades and still has a huge cult following some 40 yrs later.
On the other hand Port Charles started out as a so called spin off of GH that bared very little resemblance to GH. It faltered with casting and writing. Then when they got really desperate they turned to the supernatural for shock value. That didnt work because the audience didnt want a vampire horror show they wanted a GH spin off. Port Charles never gained a true identity of a core audience. So it died and was cancelled. So once again why should GH revisit a failure looking for ratings success. I say it makes no logical sense.

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Good grief, more reason to watch very little of my once favorite soap.

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I see Y&R finally being dethroned as #1!!! GH is the future!!

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Well said, Trans! A lot of the success of the crazy stories of the 80s was due to the success of the star crossed couples....Luke/Laura, Felicia/Frisco, Grant/Celia, Holly/Robert....it was investment in these great characters and their love stories that made viewers tune in. Not so much the outlandish backdrops of the story. Sadly, there are no current roster of couples on GH that rival any of the above so it is hard to buy into a cartoony story involving vampires.

It would make more sense to do a 50 SHADES OF GREY story with Sonny ann discovering that he has a dungeon. A bit outlandish but a bit mroe believable.

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NER, PORT CHARLES was not before it's time. Before PC there was INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE (which flopped at the box office), BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA which was a flop, DARK SHADOWS in primetime on NBC with Ben Cross, DARK SHADOWS in daytime in the 60s and 70s. Before all of them there was Bela Lugosi. This isn't a novel idea and soaps in 2012 don't have the budgets to pull off these kinds of stories.

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I'm sorry but I watch Tru Blood and the show is awful and not well written its just trashy soap thats able to be even more trashy because its on HBO.

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Perhaps you have never heard of a little series of movies called Twilight or a tv show called True Blood. I think that Port Charles was ahead of it's time and a supernatural storyline can only increase ratings for GH. It will be by far more entertaining than the mob stories of Jason and Sonny ever were.

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This! Port Charles was ahead of its time when it comes to television shows. Yes Dark Shadows existed but the films Bram Stokers Dracula, and Interview with a vampire were not tv shows. Now we have had Moonlight (cancelled) Vampire Diaries, and Being Human. Right now if you walk into any Barnes and Noble you would see that almost all the young adult books are geared towards vampires I don't personally get it but hey it is what it is...better than zombies IMO.

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For the person who mentioned Lucy seeing Duke on GH, the rest of the article from tvguide.com mentions that:

"Our universes are colliding but this is no quick gimmick," Carlivati promises. "This will kick off a nice little mystery story: Is Lucy crazy or is there something very real going on here? And, if she's crazy, why do John and Sam feel like they've met before?"

The plot gets even dizzier when Duke Lavery, played by Ian Buchanan who also played vampire king Joshua Temple on PC, pays a visit to Lucy at the jailhouse. "That really throws her for a loop — in fact, the whole thing's a total mindf--k!" says Carlivati. "We'll also throw Sam's mother Alexis [Nancy Lee Grahn] into the mix as Lucy's attorney."

How far will Carlivati take this thing? "The story does get pretty over-the-top yet it's still rooted in a certain reality," says the scribe. "Lucy may be off-kilter but she's certainly not in Heather Webber territory. Her belief in vampires will be very convincing." Especially for the PC viewers who saw it all happen!

"That show was so ahead of its time and this is a nice nod to the fans who supported all those wild chances we took," Herring says. "I love that we're still taking chances and not sidestepping the past. If Lucy met up with John and didn't recognize him, we'd be flooded with complaints!"

The return to vamp territory is especially gratifying for Herring who wasn't welcomed back to GH when PC was cancelled. "That was very disheartening," she says. "I never occurred to me that Lucy wouldn't still have a place in town if PC didn't work out. But you know what? Even knowing what I know now, I would still go off to do PC. I would not trade that fabulous experience for anything!"

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nysam wrote:
NER, PORT CHARLES was not before it's time. Before PC there was INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE (which flopped at the box office), BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA which was a flop, DARK SHADOWS in primetime on NBC with Ben Cross, DARK SHADOWS in daytime in the 60s and 70s. Before all of them there was Bela Lugosi. This isn't a novel idea and soaps in 2012 don't have the budgets to pull off these kinds of stories.

Just to interject this factoid as a fan of the book and movie versions of Interview With A Vampire...the movie cost around $60 million to make and grossed $220 million worldwide. The film was the furthest thing from a flop.

And aloof the strum under drag going on with so many fans over this news is just so overwrought. If this was YR I could see people freaking out because that show tends to be more grounded in reality historically but GH ( along with DAYS) is a show where more fantastical things can happen based on the history of the show.
I would also think that people would realize that getting all worked up ( positively or negatively) over reports of storyline ideas before one scene has been shown is kind of ridiculous.
Plus this sounds like it has a good chance of being fun to watch so I'll wait before declaring it either great or the death of GH.

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I could also not get into Port Charles when they went the Sci-Fi route. The vampire stuff just doesnt interest me at all. If there supposed to be vampires how come Sam hasnt acknowledged McBain as Caleb and vice versa? Just doesnt make sense. I would be more interested in a cat fight between Natalie and Sam over John.

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Mets82 wrote:
I could also not get into Port Charles when they went the Sci-Fi route. The vampire stuff just doesnt interest me at all. If there supposed to be vampires how come Sam hasnt acknowledged McBain as Caleb and vice versa? Just doesnt make sense. I would be more interested in a cat fight between Natalie and Sam over John.

I think your point just kind of proves the point that they aren't going to be re-introducing vampires/Sci Fi to GH, but rather givin a quick nod to Lucy's history. I think people are over reacting

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"I think people are overreacting."

That's an understatement. LOL

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Hahahaha right J Bernard!!

Lets look at this logically, shall we?

Lynn Herring and Michael Easton aren't even on CONTRACT! Why would FV and RC throw them in such a huge story. I really just like this is a change to re-introduce Kevin to the canvas to confront Lucy in the slammer.

RC and FV are all about small bits of history/continuity. They actually had Skye mention her Chandler family from AMC on her last stint. Do we see the Chandlers invading PC? Heather Webber mentioned Corinth. Oh no! Is the Corinth serial killer moving on to Port Charles? (Well, it would have to be a copy cat because Gwyn Alden offed herself haha). See? It's ok to just reference a characters past!

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I like the idea. The character of Lucy is fun, sassy, smart and definitely quirky. I love her character and Sigmund.

Although I'm not a huge fan of the show, I think it's a nice nudge and wink that Carlivati is doing to the fans of both shows. And really, it acknowledges the huge elephant in the room for us viewers. I HATE how shows recast characters with actors or bring people over and ignores the resemblance. We aren't that dumb. Examples include the examples above but also Roman Brady/Chris Kositchek (Josh Taylor - Days), Carly Corinthos/Claudia Zaccharia (Sarah Brown - GH) or Don Diamont's Brad on Y&R and him playing Bill on B&B or Heather Tom as Victoria on Y&R and Katie on B&B yet Amber Moore, Ashley Abbott, Lauren Fenmore, Sheila Carter, Felicia Forrester, Deacon Sharpe, etc have crossed over BOTH shows as the same character and there is no mention of the similarity? It doesn't have to be drawn out, but to acknowledge it rather than play us, the fan as fools is appreciated on Carlivati's part. It's fun. It's an example of how him being an actual fan of the genre also elevates his work as a writer for the show. He's not oblivious to those connections. How could PC exist for all this time and not have any impact on GH? I think it's fun and applaud him for it. I wish other writers could be this tongue in cheek as Carlivati! Bravo! My only other wish is that Carlivati and Valentini had gone to Days (because that's MY show). Le sigh...

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This is going to be fun! I see no harm in giving a tip of the cap to the former "Port Charles" show, and lending some humor to GH.

Bingo! I don't read this as a major anchoring story, more like yet another nod - perhaps more a "wink" in this case - to the past, probably a story that won't last longer than a day or two but perhaps serves as a way to reignite the Sam/McBain coupling.

If anything, I think it will be played lovingly tongue-in-cheek, almost as campy satire. It was always ridiculous that vampires were running all over Port Chuckles with few (if any?) mentions on the GH mothership show. If, as a side benefit, this comedy gives them a way out of a potential McBain/OLTL issue, so be it.

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Good job Cartini. I'm sick of the same old vanilla storylines on every damn soap!

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It the powers that be at GH are going to start acknowledging characters from the PC universe then why not other shows? Every so often characters reference Corinth from LOVING, Pine Valley from AMC and Llanview of OLTL. If these characters are going to be played as existing between shows then why didn't Skye on GH ever reference how much Sonny looked like Nico Kelly from AMC since they were both played by Maurice Bernard? Why didn't Skye comment on how much Heather looks like Janet from AMC? Why hasn't Tracy ever commented that Carly is a look-alike to THE CITY's Ally? Or that Olivia looks like Jocelyn from THE CITY? Why didn't Starr ever say that Olivia looks like Sonia Santi from OLTL?

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It the powers that be at GH are going to start acknowledging characters from the PC universe then why not other shows? Every so often characters reference Corinth from LOVING, Pine Valley from AMC and Llanview of OLTL. If these characters are going to be played as existing between shows then why didn't Skye on GH ever reference how much Sonny looked like Nico Kelly from AMC since they were both played by Maurice Bernard? Why didn't Skye comment on how much Heather looks like Janet from AMC? Why hasn't Tracy ever commented that Carly is a look-alike to THE CITY's Ally? Or that Olivia looks like Jocelyn from THE CITY? Why didn't Starr ever say that Olivia looks like Sonia Santi from OLTL?

If this is a criticism, it is a relatively invalid one. With the exception of the Edge of Night, which shared its universe with the Proctor & Gamble serials, ABC soaps have been a part of the same universe for decades going all the way back to when GH's Steve Hardy visited Llanview shortly after One Life to Live premiered in 1968 and with AMC being a direct spinoff of OLTL. After ABC/Capital Cities bought GH, AMC and OLTL and produced Ryan's Hope/Loving/The City, the shared universe was tightened. It was firmly cemented by the Skye Chandler/Rae Cummings multi-soap crossovers, soap blizzards and, even more recently, CGI tornadoes. If those questions are in some way meant to invalidate what is going on in this upcoming little arc, then one must pose these kinds of questions about every actor who went from one ABC soap to another playing different roles, where even if a character on Show A had not come into contact with that actor's character from Show B there may have been multiple ways for that character to have seen or heard of the other actor's character from another show within that universe.

Therefore we could dig through those weeds with this forever, but here are two salient points to the general spirit of what's being asked:

A) The show is doing exactly what seems to be criticized here, (largely off screen) with the hunt for Lorenzo Alcazar (GH)/Tomas Delgaldo (OLTL) (both played by Ted King).

B) If there is a general rule of thumb, it might be this: One of the characters must not or might not be "real." So, for example, "Lorenzo" wasn't the "true identity" of the character who appeared on GH, as was not the person who pretended to be Duke Lavery after plastic surgery (when played by Gregory Beecroft). Nico, Janet, Ally, Jocelyn and Sonia were "real" characters with "real" lives and therefore would not fit into this specific kind of retcon. That is why Ted King's character of Danny Roberts from Loving/The City would not fit this paradigm. That's why Dr. Ellen Burgess from Port Charles would not be a part of this paradigm, as well, because she was a separate "real" character from Dr. Angie Hubbard from AMC, both played by Debbie Morgan.

On the other hand, the TV Guide article (which, judging by some of the comments, hasn't been fully read), says this:

"Our universes are colliding but this is no quick gimmick," Carlivati promises. "This will kick off a nice little mystery story: Is Lucy crazy or is there something very real going on here? And, if she's crazy, why do John and Sam feel like they've met before?"

The plot gets even dizzier when Duke Lavery, played by Ian Buchanan who also played vampire king Joshua Temple on PC, pays a visit to Lucy at the jailhouse. "That really throws her for a loop — in fact, the whole thing's a total mindf--k!" says Carlivati. "We'll also throw Sam's mother Alexis [Nancy Lee Grahn] into the mix as Lucy's attorney."

How far will Carlivati take this thing? "The story does get pretty over-the-top yet it's still rooted in a certain reality," says the scribe. "Lucy may be off-kilter but she's certainly not in Heather Webber territory. Her belief in vampires will be very convincing." Especially for the PC viewers who saw it all happen!

Carlivati isn't saying vampires (or angels or werewolves or witches) are coming to Port Charles, but rather they are playing with the existence of the other show as a part of the shared universe. Remember that, as pointed out earlier, Port Charles was a direct spinoff of General Hospital. While events in the other shows within the ABC soap universe happened within the same timelines, the events of PC happened within the same city concurrent with events over on the mothership. So, even playing with the PC/GH connection given the circumstances actually makes sense.

I know the idea of getting incensed about this before we've seen one second of airtime is all the rage (ha ha, see what I did there?), but — as a fan of Port Charles — I would like to see it play out first before jumping to conclusions as to whether or not it was a good or bad idea.