General Hospital: Perkie’s Observations


The doctor informs Olivia and Liz that Steve’s surgery was touch and go for a while, but he pulled through just fine. Steve is in recovery, and the prognosis is good.  Liz hugs AJ and thanks him for being there for her. Dante visits the hospital to tell everyone Heather turned herself in, and resides in police custody.   
 


Lucy declares Caleb won’t hurt anyone anymore, and she plans to shoot him in the heart with her bow and arrow.  The two argue and Lucy fires, but Caleb catches the arrow in mid air.  He grabs for her with the intent to kill her, but John finally manages to untie himself before Caleb can harm Lucy. The two men fight over the arrow.  
 
Caleb is stabbed in the heart with the arrow and drops to the ground.  Lucy asks if he’s dead, and John doesn’t find a pulse.  John thanks Sam for distracting Caleb long enough for him to prevail.  John knows Sam saved his life.  Lucy asks if they believe her vampire story now.  John pulls the fangs out of Caleb’s mouth, and gives them to Lucy.  He believes Caleb simply lost his mind when his wife died.  John takes Sam out to safety, but Lucy wants to stay behind.  
 
Duke goes to Michael to give him the jar of relish, and explains how he managed to get it from Tracy.  Michael calls AJ to meet him at the apartment. 
 
Tracy thinks Monica is spying on her, so she can get her hands on the key.  Monica blames Tracy for the downfall of ELQ.  Tracy knows she can figure out the relish recipe, and mass-produce it.  When Tracy discovers the relish is missing, she claims AJ stole it.  Monica defends AJ, and Tracy remembers the only other person in the house was Duke.  Tracy doesn’t believe Duke had anything to do with stealing the relish.  Monica doesn’t like seeing Tracy torture herself, and advises her to admit defeat.  
 
Rafe sees ghost Alison, and asks her if Caleb is his father.  Alison admits he is, but promises Rafe is nothing like Caleb. She swears he is not alone, and fades away.  
 
Olivia sits by Steve’s bedside and prays for his recovery.  He wakes up, and she thanks him for saving her life. Steve says he has a lot to live for.  Liz stops by and tells him she loves him. She doesn’t know what she would have done without him.   Liz also tells Steve she had a friend to lean on during his surgery. 
 
Duke shows AJ the jar of relish, and asks if he wants it analyzed.  Starr offers her science services, claiming she knows how to analyze a sample.  The men agree, and AJ warns Duke to keep their business relationship a secret. 
 
Dante promises Olivia that Heather is in her cell.  Olivia talks about her visions, and how she can’t prevent them from happening. She points out they’ve all come true, except the dog one.  Dante reminds her the dog one did come true, because he appeared to Maxie. 
 
Steve promises Olivia he’ll take her visions seriously from now on.  Olivia wants to be his wife sooner rather than later, and suggests they get married right away.  
 
AJ calls Liz, and apologizes for leaving.  She tells him Steve is awake and talking. She also thanks him for his support.  
 
Tracy accuses AJ of stealing the relish, but AJ denies taking it.  
 
Sam is reunited with Danny, and thanks Rafe for taking care of him.  Rafe asks about Caleb, and John informs the young teen Caleb is dead.  
 
Lucy rants about not understanding what's just happened. She wonders why Caleb would need the fake teeth.  Lucy still thinks the ring is important and tries to remove it, but can’t.  She decides she’s had enough, and won’t spend one more day of her life thinking of vampires.  She declares her time as a vampire slayer is finished.  When she leaves, Caleb’s ring glows. 
 

68 Responses

  1. Profile photo of Perkie
    Perkie

    Yeah, lets not have a real lab analyze the relish, lets have the lounge singer/nightclub owner, who’s taking a couple of science classes do it.

    Does Tracy not keep tabs of what’s going on at ELQ while AJ’s in charge? Wouldn’t she have known he hired Duke as an accounting something or other? Seems rather remiss of her.

    Please tell me the vampire/not vampire story is over. I swear if the police show up and Caleb’s body is gone, I’m going to hurt someone.

    Where is the rest of the hospital staff? One of their own is stabbed and undergoing life and death surgery and no one is there? Patrick? Epiphany? ever annoying Sabrina? Felix? Both stories, Steve’s stabbing and Caleb wackadoo, seemed to be so self contained.

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    nysam

    Lynn Herring I love you and don’t hold you responsible for what these terrible writers did to you. I thought Guza was guilty of character assassination after he trashed my Holly Scorpio, but what Re-ron has done to Lucy is just as tragic. You bring a great character back for this crap??!?! Hopefully it is over.

    Would it kill the writers to have Liz mention Audrey since she lives in town? Weird that Steve didn’t reference his father or Sarah as far as his family is concerned. A sentence or two tying family members not on screen would make sense.

    Perkie, I thought the same thing about Starr. The girl didn’t even go to college as far as I know and her last 2 years of high school were taken up raising her daughter. If Pickle-Lila only has 1 remaining jar it wouldn’t make sense that AJ and Michael would trust her to analyze it.

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    SwanQueen59

    I really do my utmost to be polite with regard to just about every actor or actress on any soap. Lord knows having been a dancer in a company, criticism about ones performance is part of the job. But I am so fed up with the character of Starr and by extension KA. I recall thinking at the beginning of her time “Okay she’s young. She’ll settle in and will definitely have an advantage by observing people like JE, JMB, DZ, NLG, AG, RH, BB etc.” Honestly, I’m to where I’m thinking even LM is doing a better job when she’s been on, who has always been, for me, one step forward, two steps back, performance wise. And don’t get me started on my resentment of the amount of air time and “butting in” to just about every storyline that she’s now in. It’s like she and her character are parasitic. I half expected to see her don a lab coat, safety goggles, and pick up a microphone and become some sort of singing food inspector who has a side job of owning a nightclub. :| Sorry, I’m a little cranky, right now.

    I did like the scenes with Olivia and Liz at Steve’s bedside. I’ve always enjoyed RH and SR’s brother/sister vibe. Very believable and natural. LLo has always gone above and beyond the material she’s had to perform. JE is always wonderful even when called upon to deliver ridiculously pasted together and implausible plot points regarding ELQ. And yeah, where is Epiphany, Patrick, Felix, even Britt? Don’t tell me all of them have the same days off? Sigh…. 0:)

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    soapbaby

    The vampire story hasn’t bothered me but the past few episodes were really annoying and B-movie level bad in terms of writing and acting. Easton and Monaco do have chemistry. Herring has been done quite the disservice as Lucy has been grating.

    I am happy that Steven Lars survived the stabbing at least for Liz’s sake. I am surprised that between yesterday’s episode and today’s that she has not mentioned Jake (or Emily.) The writers have really isolated characters over the years with no little or no mention of family/friends. Anyway, the Liz/Steve scenes were well-done and kudos to Rebecca Herbst and Scott Reeves (who I never commend.)

    I am not sure I like him in the ELQ story as AJ’s lackey. Perhaps Duke and Tracy will be chemistry-tested?

    Michael & Starr are obnoxious. If Starr is such a science whiz, perhaps the writers should have her drop the nightclub/singing thing and pursue her degree…in another city…far away…offscreen ;-)

    If memory serves correctly, while Tracy is no saint, AJ stated his intentions to oust Tracy from CEO as soon as Edward died, even forming alliances with Skye, Michael and trying to win over Sam. AJ & Tracy have both behaved unreasonably. I am SO tired of hearing Tracy say: relish!!! Glad there is a return to ELQ but wish for a better story about business dealings.

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    SavePortChuck

    Funny how fresh and fabulous Monica’s makeup was considering she was ready for bed! THAT much lipstick at that hour? Love that Jane Elliot has no problem going makeup free.

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    pjc722

    Honestly?! Starr is going to analyze the chemical make up of a jar of relish?! That’s just ridiculous. You don’t need a scientist… especially one that hasn’t seen a lab in … well, since senior year of high school while you were 8 months pregnant!

    What I don’t get is that all Tracey has to do is state that HER FATHER gave her the jar with the instructions that it was hers (and whatever blah blah blah). He didn’t give it to AJ. So, basically in a nut shell, Duke stole it from Tracey, AJ is stealing to produce it, and Starr is an accomplice.

    AGAIN, can someone tell me why we watch GH when a jar of relish is the lead story?!!!

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    iowaninmn

    Perkie, there is no doubt in my mind that when the police come to retrieve Steven Clay’s body, it will be gone. It was the first thing I thought of as Lucy was walking away.

    I liked how Lucy went through the process of deciding she is done with vampires. I think she was speaking for much of the audience who want her to be down with them too. Let’s get Lucy back into some fabulous clothes snarking it up with Monica, Tracy and Scott and hanging out with hubby Doc and friends Mac and Felicia.

    So happy to see Monica. Wish she could have her on a bit more often – actually a lot more often. She brings a depth to the Q scenes, to any scene, that she is in. I was watching a youtube clib a while back with Monica and AJ (Sean Kanan) during her breast cancer storyline. There was so much love and devotion between those two characters. Would really like to see it more. And of course the relationship between Monica and Tracey is magic. Even though I do agree with someone above who pointed out that Tracey is getting a little “yelley”. A lot of screaming … maybe dial it down a notch.

    Re: Pickle-Lila … I sometimes break out laughing at the absurdity of it all. Everyone talking about a bottle of relish like it’s the Ice Princess or something! Still, I love it, because it honors GH history, and we get to see the beautiful Anna Lee on the relish bottle!

    As far as the missing hospital staff, looks like a bunch of them show up tomorrow. However, I did not see any mention of Luke, Laura, or Scotty. It’s been a week since they were on. Very strange in my opinion.

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    GHvetfan

    Can we please be done with this STUPID vampire crap??? The plot has trashed Lucy and Allyson who were the only redeeming parts of Port Charles.

    Sam’s hands were not even tied. I blame Kelly Monaco for not concealing the looseness of the rope. Michael Easton is not a good actor. They give him a dual role. Silliness!!

    Monica and Tracy are always win together. Olivia and Liz are awesomeness. I like Star. I may be the only one and even I had a WTF moment when she suddenly became a scientist. Why can’t they just let Star and Michael be young and away from ELQ? The relish business is GH history and I like the use of the vets as well as seeing Lila on that jar. But, Tracy was given that jar. I don’t think the recipe can be used without her permission. Having said that, it was mass produced in the USA. Wouldn’t the ingredients be on the jar? At the plant? On file with the FDA? In a recipe box in the Q kitchen? Hey, I am willing to ignore some silly plot points on occasion but I do not like when Tracy is made to look stupid. AJ should not best her. I wish AJ would just walk away from ELQ and build his own company. He could come back at Tracy and ELQ on more equal footing.

    Still liking Rafe and his ghost Mom. I wish Erin Hershey would come back as Lulu.

    Where is Laura? Scott?

    The show was disjointed between the hospital which was pure goodness, the catacombs which were crap, and the mishmosh of the relish.

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    liason4real

    Starr needs to pick a primary career and stick with it. Liz wanted to be an artist, but ended up becoming a nurse to support Cam and we still see her on occasion at her art studio. Starr was into reptiles and crap when she was on OLTL, until someone decided to mold her into the next singing Blair Cramer.

    Of course Caleb/Stepen Clay is not dead.

    Yes, Liz should have called Audrey unless she was afraid that the woman might have a heart attack after dealing with Jake’s death. I’m shocked that RC did not kill off Steven Lars, since he’s been on a killing spree.

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    liason4real

    Oh, I forgot to mention how much I’ve enjoyed Allison over the last few weeks. It’s too bad that RC killed off Allison when she has history on the show and would have fit in nicely at the hospital instead of Britt, Sabrina and Felix.

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    DonnyA2001

    Loved Allison and her scenes with her son. So great!

    So I guess this means that the last half of “Port Charles” was basically never real? Gotta say, that’s kind of a slap in the face to the “PC” fans out there…there are still a lot of questions, however…I don’t know. I guess I just felt a little let down by what seems to be the end of the story.

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    FoxyMegan

    [quote=Katiebug9624]I must be crazy because I absolutely loved the Vampire/Non Vampire storyline except for them killing Allison.[/quote]

    You’re not crazy. The vampire story was fun (and the resemblance to a B-movie was deliberate and added to my enjoyment).

    The people who complain about every twist and turn are just more vocal than those of us who enjoy the ride. And apparently taking their cues from vampires, they seem to delight in sucking the life out of every moment of every show.

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    tealita

    That Starrfish…she’s genius, aint she? Good to know! :bigsmile: ;)

    Hopefully, Starr screws up and the relish tastes awful. Or Duke has his own plans for the relish. Or Tracy rummages through Lila’s things and finds the original recipe. Something. Give us a little mystery here.

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    TV Gord

    [quote=pjc722]AGAIN, can someone tell me why we watch GH when a jar of relish is the lead story?!!![/quote]

    Because some of us are enjoying the show as an hour of entertainment every day, and not trying to pick it apart to the point where we’re twisted in knots over it. :-)

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    iowaninmn

    TV Gord, thanks for the comment! You made my day. Probably doesn’t make my day sound too spectacular. But it’s nice to know I’m not alone in my thinking.

    I’ll just throw this out there and see if anyone has a thought. I am liking the Quiz pairing (as I guess we’re calling AJ and Liz). But I think I might be liking it for the simple fact that we get to see Liz and AJ. I’m not sure I feel a lot of heat between them, they kind of seem like buddies — of course, buddies often have sex. :-)

    So I have another idea for AJ.

    Am I completely off the wall, or would an AJ and Lucy pairing be hot?!? I know a lot of people love Doc and Lucy to death, but it just seemed to me there was some definite chemistry between AJ and Lucy when Lucy came back and before she went vampire hunting. I remember Monica telling Alice that Lucy was really only dangerous when there was a man with money around … which made me think A.J.!

    Think of how mad this would drive Monica! AJ would have to hide it from his mother because he knows how upset she would be. Lucy would have had BOTH Monica’s husband, Alan, and her son!!! And I’m sure Tracey would be beside herself for one reason or another.

    Of course, this would leave poor Liz alone again … just when things were looking up. :-(

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    tealita

    [quote=FoxyMegan][quote=Katiebug9624]I must be crazy because I absolutely loved the Vampire/Non Vampire storyline except for them killing Allison.[/quote]

    [quote=You're not crazy. The vampire story was fun (and the resemblance to a B-movie was deliberate and added to my enjoyment).

    The people who complain about every twist and turn are just more vocal than those of us who enjoy the ride. And apparently taking their cues from vampires, they seem to delight in sucking the life out of every moment of every show=quote]
    ———–

    I’ve had some minor quibbles about other stuff in the last couple of days, but the vamper stuff wasn’t bad. If you look at as an homage & just enjoy the camp, the humor and the nods to all the history, it was a lot of fun.
    Plus, I think I had as much or more fun reading all the history that people like J. Benard Jones, for instance, brought to the board.

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    curacaoman

    We complain because the show we love is spinning out of control again. This is not the way to attract new viewers and that is what GH needs, NEW OR RETURNING VIEWERS!

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    SavePortChuck

    [quote=Katiebug9624]I must be crazy because I absolutely loved the Vampire/Non Vampire storyline except for them killing Allison.[/quote]

    Well then I’m crazy too because I absolutely agree with you.

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    TV Gord

    I enjoyed the “vampire” excursion, but it’s nice to see it wrapped up in a tidy bow with Thursday’s show. I’m relieved (but not surprised) to find out that J. Bernard was right. There never were vampires in this storyline, but it was left ambiguous enough so that the fans of Port Charles who want to believe still can.

    I’m curious to see where they go with Steve now that he seems to have survived (for now). We know Scott Reeves is gone, so is he going to take an unexpected turn for the worst? Will he lapse into a coma and revive in a few weeks or months with a new actor in the role?

    I had a good chuckle over A.J. pinning his company’s future on Starrfish The Science Dish. He’s not overly burdened with brains, is he? It’s too bad that they seem to be making Tracy as similarly idiotic. I was kind of hoping her hidden jar of Pickle Lila would be a decoy and that she had the real contents squirreled away in a hidden bar fridge in her bedroom. I have two hopes for this storyline. One is that I hope it has a big payoff, and the other is that I hope The Soup continues to follow the storyline in their own hysterical style.

    I’m curious to see how they write out John and Starr. I think they should be off the show anytime now. The way I’d like to see them go is that they both get mysterious phone calls that they have to return to Llanview, and that it leads to the revelation that Victor is still alive.

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    tmac

    Lucy should know that a vampire doesn’t have a pulse. When John said he couldn’t find a pulse Lucy should have pointed out that doesn’t mean Caleb is dead. And Lucy obviously wasn’t trained as a slayer by Giles. Buffy would have taken Caleb down in a second without all the talking.

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    pjc722

    [quote=TV Gord][quote=pjc722]AGAIN, can someone tell me why we watch GH when a jar of relish is the lead story?!!![/quote]

    Because some of us are enjoying the show as an hour of entertainment every day, and not trying to pick it apart to the point where we’re twisted in knots over it. :-)[/quote]

    You’re wrong.

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    MysteryStory

    [quote=tmac]Lucy should know that a vampire doesn’t have a pulse. When John said he couldn’t find a pulse Lucy should have pointed out that doesn’t mean Caleb is dead. And Lucy obviously wasn’t trained as a slayer by Giles. Buffy would have taken Caleb down in a second without all the talking.[/quote]

    I was thinking the same thing while watching yesterday! It makes sense for John to look for a pulse, not find one, and say Caleb’s dead, because he never believed Caleb was a vampire. But seriously, Lucy? She should know better.

    BTW, is GH back on schedule and no longer behind? Or is today’s episode going to be yesterday’s episode?

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    GatesBear

    I’m enjoying the show, my only complaint though? It’s a little early but if Liz and AJ are going to be a couple, I’m going to need for them to talk about the elephant in the room — Jason. I thought maybe that’s where they were leading with AJ’s panic attacks, they were a symptom of not being good enough and always being the black sheep. C’mon, Liz had a child by Jason and was a fairly significant relationship for Liz, hopefully it will be addressed. Also, another nitpick — When Laura visited Liz, no mention of Jake, no I’m sorry about what happened etc, just felt odd.

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    Ravennite613

    So vampires have no pulse and use false teeth..this is a soap half the show has never had a pulse but came back (see AJ) doesn’t make them vampires

    Love the Port Chuck intergration

    Love that I have Liz on my screen again

    Laughed when they gave the relish to Starr but I will ride this out like I do everything else

    Why blame Cartini for making Lucy a shell of herself when she was written as a vampire slayer by the writers of Port Charles….Cartini is just working around that

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    soapbaby

    @ Ravennite: I always appreciate your comments. My only pushback is regarding Lucy’s characterization. While I did not mind the brief excursion into the history of PC, I find that RC has ignored whole pieces of history so why spend so much time on Lucy as Vampire Slayer? I’d rather Lucy had dillusions of that time and her spend time with Kevin, Felicia, Mac, and The Quartermaines. She should be the driving force of the Nurses’ Ball. If had to wade through PC’s history to get to Lucy and her GH history_ at least the PC stuff was brief. I just don’t think it was satisfying enough to revisit or to kill Alison Barrington (or to focus on for February Sweeps.)

    Can’t wait to see Lucy with Scott!!! Now that’s history being honored! ;-)

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    Cornfed

    Yes, please soapbaby,can i have a little more HARSH REALITY with my soap post viewing? JANE ELIOT HAS BEEN SCREAMING FOR 2 WEEKS NOW…not sure if TG’s cold affected JE’s vocal chords, but to be screaming like that at bedtime is highly annoying and shrill and OTT. Glad to see everyone focusing on the MOST.STUPID plot twist yet so far, that Starr is a secret chemical engineer! May i strangle her now? I’m sorry, but this show has gotten DUMBER, AND DUMBER, AND DUMBER. It’s really fallen off a cliff and i’m glad that at least so far, i haven’t been off the mark about the overall poor quality of this show the past 4-6 weeks….Did anyone think we would miss the 3 OLTL’er this much that they needed to sideline every other plot? Imo, a very bad judgment call from the top, and i hope it’s rectified soon and also that we can also get back on a normal Mon-Fri schedule, so i can truly judge how bad this show has gotten.

    The only silver lining is that Starr is gonna take that jar of relish far, far away off screen to analyze it, and we’ll be free of her for a month. Does anyone post their distaste for Starr on the GH FB page? B/c i really want TPTB to know how alienating she is. I’m afraid for this show, and now with JE screaming her lungs out, it’s up to Genie and Finola to save it! WTH is Tony Geary? Will he be the next to exit?? If it weren’t for the Britt and Sabrina characters,i worry that Jason Thompson could be next to go!

    Sorry for the rant, i’m cranky too! |(

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    SwanQueen59

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE] Glad to see everyone focusing on the MOST.STUPID plot twist yet so far, that Starr is a secret chemical engineer!….Did anyone think we would miss the 3 OLTL’er this much that they needed to sideline every other plot? Imo, a very bad judgment call from the top…
    Does anyone post their distaste for Starr on the GH FB page? B/c i really want TPTB to know how alienating she is. I’m afraid for this show, and now with JE screaming her lungs out, it’s up to Genie and Finola to save it! WTH is Tony Geary? Will he be the next to exit?? i worry that Jason Thompson could be next to go!

    Sorry for the rant, i’m cranky too! |([/quote)

    Glad to know someone else is cranky right along with me… 0:)

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    Cornfed

    As for those who think we are tying ourselves into knots, i actually don’t spend time thinking of new story ideas and will generally leave that to the writers. My main concern is that GH turned into an entirely different show during a sweeps month, and i would PREFER it to return to something fairly resembling reality. I don’t mind a cartoonish character or 2 (since OLTL had Roxy and a few others), but everything else is being written so shoddily that i’m a bit concerned. Now losing JMB and having TG on once a week since his vacation doesn’t console me one bit. I DO.NOT want the future of GH to be Todd and McBain and Starr; you can call that what you want.

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    JessicaLeigh

    [quote=curacaoman]We complain because the show we love is spinning out of control again. This is not the way to attract new viewers and that is what GH needs, NEW OR RETURNING VIEWERS![/quote]

    Sadly, I agree with this. I’ve never commented on this site before but I read it daily. (If any of you also post at Daytime Royalty in either the GH or DAYS forums, I’ve got the same username on there. Hi!) I have loved GH for the past year and am definitely not a perpetual Negative Nellie, but lately I’ve found myself wondering if the wheels are coming off. The vampire stuff does not work for me AT ALL. I really hate what’s being done with Lucy. I don’t like Caleb or Rafe and want them both to go away ASAP. The relish storyline is fun and I am glad to have the Q’s front and center again, but I have to admit it’s rather silly. Too many elements of it are beyond the realm of common sense, as other comments have already noted. The surrogate story is another thing I am disappointed with. It’s just gone in a horrible, nonsensical direction. Miscarriage sex? Immediate pregnancy? Visions about dogs? This could have been so much more. New characters like Sabrina and Ellie have potential, but they need to be better defined and less two-dimensional – especially Sabrina. The Kate/Connie story needs some kind of resolution. I like Kelly Sullivan and want her kept around, but I’m ready for them to pick a direction. We have a wealth of veterans right now and that is fantastic, but we need to have something meaningful done with them. Their talents and history should be fully utilized in ways that make sense.

    I don’t mean to sound as if I am nitpicking or complaining for the sake of it. I do continue to put the show on even though I’ve found whole segments unwatchable lately, because I want to support it somehow. I’d hate to see the current regime rest on their laurels and have the whole thing go sideways. If I have to take the present camp storytelling or the dark storytelling of previous regimes, I guess I’ll go with camp – but truth be told, I’d rather not have the show overloaded with either. Just my two cents!

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    Ravennite613

    I don’t hold it against anyone who wants to complain about the show I mean that is what these sites are there for, and I am far from happy with everything on this show but overall am thrilled

    It does get disheartening because as much as people complain about Cartini my thoughts always wander to WHAT IF. What if FRUZA & CO stayed on..a big part of me feels that this show would not have made it this far and for me that is reality.

    I have long gave up on Luke because every time he gets involved in a staory..POOF he’s gone because of his vacation. I grew tired of the unholy trinity and the person Jason became after Sexico in Mexico

    For me I see growth in Sonny, while the DID story is growing old I see a person who is sticking around not running like he would usually do. Under Guza I grew to hate Sonny but I am finding something to love again

    And Lord knows the best reason for Cartini is that I get to have women over the age of 35 on this show and in front burner story.

    I do not want my soap opera to be knee deep in reality because I live enough reality to know that I like the fantasy…what I do want though is some good trashy sex/love in the afternoon..I miss the bed hopping days of soap operas

    And that is my two and a half cent point of view :bigsmile:

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    Perkie

    [quote; ghvetfan]Sam’s hands were not even tied. I blame Kelly Monaco for not concealing the looseness of the rope[/quote]

    They looked pretty tight on Wednesday’s epi. I think by Thursday’s epi she was in the process of loosening them.

    [quote] Hey, I am willing to ignore some silly plot points on occasion but I do not like when Tracy is made to look stupid.[/quote]

    THIS.

    [quote; tvgord]Because some of us are enjoying the show as an hour of entertainment every day, and not trying to pick it apart to the point where we’re twisted in knots over it[/quote]

    You have a problem with people picking on a fictional television show, but you have no problem picking on human posters discussing said show. Interesting place to draw the line.

    Jessicaleigh, welcome to the boards

    [quote; jessicaleigh]We have a wealth of veterans right now and that is fantastic, but we need to have something meaningful done with them. Their talents and history should be fully utilized in ways that make sense. [/quote]

    THIS.

    I love that sentence so much, I want to marry it then throw barware at it when it betrays me!!!

    [quote; ravennite]And Lord knows the best reason for Cartini is that I get to have women over the age of 35 on this show and in front burner story[/quote]

    But I don’t want them front burner if they’re going to be stupid. The Elq/relish story is interesting, but they are doing it a diservice by making Tracy so dumb as to keep the relish in the house that AJ lives and then hide her necklace in a book, where Duke happened to find it. All so that they can have Duke steal the relish.

    Anna has story but she walking around not comprehending how there can be two JOhn’s when a month ago she was ripping a mask off fake Duke’s face.

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    Cornfed

    @JessicaLeigh — AMAZING post and thank you for sharing! Believe me i know i’m going to look like the party pooper for trying to keep it real, but i’m generally optimistic and will at those time keep fairly quiet! :bigsmile: I don’t get too persnickety if characters don’t exactly act like “themselves” or if something’s a bit implausible, since i was a HUGE Days fan in 1981-84 for heaven’s sake LOL. I pay more attention to pacing, who’s on, who’s not, and the overall direction of a show, or what new character is shoved down our throats during a sweeps month (that being Rafe, who was on 10 consecutive episodes, give or take). I realize our favorites can’t be on every single day, or that a show can’t bring back every single veteran. That being said, you can tell when the writers don’t know what to do with a character, and now you have legendary Duke being a whipping boy to AJ and Michael — THAT is a concern! Like a poster said earlier — let Michael and Starr be young and keep them out of ELQ…

    And thanks for the support Perkie!!

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    Ravennite613

    [quote=Perkie]But I don’t want them front burner if they’re going to be stupid. The Elq/relish story is interesting, but they are doing it a diservice by making Tracy so dumb as to keep the relish in the house that AJ lives and then hide her necklace in a book, where Duke happened to find it. All so that they can have Duke steal the relish.
    Anna has story but she walking around not comprehending how there can be two JOhn’s when a month ago she was ripping a mask off fake Duke’s face.[/quote]

    While I get where you are coming from – I find it odd that we think her hiding a relish key in the house is stupid this is the woman that married Luke twice and still pines for him. This is the woman who stole from her dead brother and a child. Sorry I think Tracy has a long history of being stupid. I mean she single handedly destroyed her own company

    But what if that was all a decoy…maybe its not the original relish. I can’t comment until I see the whole thing plays out.

    As for Anna, to her benefit while Duke was an imposter there was still only one roaming around…the John/Caleb thing had people seeing John when he was locked up.

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    Cornfed

    Sorry, but I can’t equate common sense in one’s love life to common sense in the boardroom. MANY ppl run huge corporations and have messy, complicated & dysfunctional love lives. The two don’t go hand in hand…

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    J Bernard Jones

    We complain because the show we love is spinning out of control again. This is not the way to attract new viewers and that is what GH needs, NEW OR RETURNING VIEWERS!

    For the week of February 18-22, 2013. All four daytime soap operas were up in Total Viewers after dipping the previous week, with GH picking up 243,000 viewers.

    From SON: —-> 3. GENERAL HOSPITAL 2,885,000 (+243,000/+531,000)

    So, um, there’s that.

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    Cornfed

    Something worth mentioning: Does anyone remember how Terry Lester reacted to Bell progeny Lauralee dominating Y/R as a young starlet? Answer: He quit. That’s how we lost the best Jack Abbott. And that’s my fear….who knows how JMB truly feels about KA being shoehorned into every story on the canvas; the expressions on her face weren’t entirely welcoming at times, tho JMB is a total pro. Maybe others at OLTL(ooops, GH!) feel the same way. Maybe TG doesn’t like sharing the “cynical smart ass” title with RH. Me personally, i prefer TG over RH, but that’s just me! One thing i don’t tolerate in soaps is an agenda by TPTB and a total disregard for fans. That’s why i’ve dumped Days both times Gary Tomlin has run it.

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    TV Gord

    (Little do they know that getting slammed for actually enjoying the show only puts a big smile on my face.) :-) Thanks for the feedback, folks. Have a great weekend!

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    Cornfed

    As Perkie mentioned, you’re not getting “slammed” for enjoying the show, you’re getting “slammed” for attacking those with opinions different than yours.

    Just a couple months ago i told a friend that i thought GH’s Nov/Dec even topped what CarTooni had done during their ENTIRE run at OLTL, it was that good. Little moments like Tracy seeing Luke off to the door, “how are you doing Tracy? I’m doing fine Luke, well a little sad about Alan”, and then Alan’s spirit appears. Or moments like Anna’s monologue in the cop shop the other day. GREAT moments. But unfortunately, not enough of them. :((

    I’ll try to share some good feedback once i see something i like!

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    EricasEvilTwin

    I agree with most of what Perkie and Raven wrote in post #36 and #38

    That said, I do think some people are just bound and determined to hate everything about the show. Is it perfect? no, but in 30+ years of soap viewing Ive never watched a show for even a month and thought WOW everything on this show is SO working. I think the idea is that there is hopefully some diversity on the canvas so if you hate one story line, theres ideally two or three that you do enjoy. I would say that the pacing is a part of the issue and it seems that most people universally see that as problematic. for example how long has tracy had the idea about the pickle relish (vs. how long its played out on screen). If its only been two days PC time then maybe she was looking for a real lab, vs. just going to starfish’s mad science laboratory. If its been a week, then yeah pretty stupid to still have the relish where anyone could have just cut off the lock. Ditto anna and john – i dont think he was locked up more than a day or two in pc time but it appeared longer because of how long the story aired on screen.

    but while there are issues like that, i do find that all the nitpicking that goes on by some posters saps the enjoyment out of the show – and I call it nitpicking when the complaints are seemingly random and often miniscule and never balanced by anything positive. (and for the record, jessica I dont think your post was nitpicking at all) I dont mind criticism of the show – hell I just was critical about the pacing – but i can also find aspects of the show that I fully enjoyed. I think ME, MB, KeSul, RM, FH and especially LLC have been killing it in terms of their performances. We are seeing more and more of the cast and im actually jumping out of my seat at the idea that the nurses ball is coming up. Im curious as to what Lauras secret might be and Im actually interested in where some of the relationships and pairings might go – Im sold on carly/aj but im not counting out Tarly, I want to see where duke and anna end up after robert wakes up, and I think McBam is a supercouple in the making. The dialogue has been way better and im loving all the vets being back. When the criticism sinks to why was the key in the book or how tight where sams ropes, you lose me because I dont watch a soap with that kind of critical eye. Luckily looking at the ratings and the posts on facebook about the show, i think more people are happy with the show than unhappy.

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    TV Gord

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]As Perkie mentioned, you’re not getting “slammed” for enjoying the show, you’re getting “slammed” for attacking those with opinions different than yours.[/quote]

    Just as you’re doing now. :-)

    So you want to post your opinions on a message board, but people feel “attacked” when someone doesn’t like their constant negativity? Interesting.

    Forgive me for having a point of view that differs from those of others. I didn’t know that was forbidden for some people on the interwebs and not others. :X :bigsmile:

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    nysam

    @Ravennite…we blame Ron Carlavati because he didn’t have to revisit the vampire story. Lucy could have returned to town with story tied to the nurse’s ball, ELQ/Quartermaines, Scotty, Serena. For goodness sakes she used to run a business with Sonny & Luke and I don’t think they have even had any scenes together. There was no need to recycle a story from a show that was canceled 10 years ago. GH never referenced the outlandish stories from PC so there was no need to reference them now.

    People on this board love to blame Guza (he did a lot wrong), but Guza wasn’t responsible for this vampire mess.

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    Perkie

    For me, the stories as a whole are not the problem. Soaps air 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year and we need lot of various stories, and that includes the normal (infertility, love affairs) and the wackadoo (freezing the world, aliens in the garage) and I okay with that.

    What bothers me, is what I consider plot point writing to fit a square peg in a round hole, rather than taking five minutes to flesh out the story, so that the end result is the same without it making zero sense.

    Maxie getting pregnant the same night she miscarried. WTH? You want angst with Maxie and Spin and Ellie and Lante and a pregnancy, then why not have Maxie and Spin do the deed the same day as the egg transplant, so that she/we are not aware of who’s baby she’s carrying. Same end result, but isnt’ written by poo flinging monkeys with no sense of biology.

    Tracy versus AJ/Duke. There had to be a better way for AJ to get his hands on the relish than how it came about. So while I’m enjoing the ELQ/relish story, small stuff makes me scratch my head and wonder why it couldn’t be just a smidge better.

    [quote; ravennite]I mean she single handedly destroyed her own company[/quote]

    I understood why she did. I think she was worried AJ would actually be good as CEO and show her up, so she tanked it before he had a chance. That makes sense to me in how I view Tracy and the character that she is.

    [quote; tvgord]So you want to post your opinions on a message board, but people feel “attacked” when someone doesn’t like their constant negativity? Interesting. Forgive me for having a point of view that differs from those of others. I didn’t know that was forbidden for some people on the interwebs and not others[/quote]

    The point is that you dont’ want to attack fictional characters but are fine attacking real people. The point isn’t that you can’t attack real people but that you would want to.

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    stoney07

    As a new viewer, I think GH needs to combine the dark with the camp with reality. Those three aspects should be equal. So for those who like the dark drama, you have a piece of it. For those who like the camp, you have a PIECE of that, and for those who like reality, you can have a piece of that.

    No one is going to absolutely love every single aspect of the show. But there should be enough to keep you entertained as a viewer.

    As a new viewer, I find GH to be okay. I’m still not blown away, or even CLOSE to being blown away, but that could largely be in part to the fact that I have no history invested in the show, and most characters I don’t even realize are connected to others….so yeah. But I WILL say, when you watch GH or any other soap, and the bad outweighs the good…sometimes its best to take a break. And I know we all want to support the genre and see it survive…but constant complaining about a show is NEVER good. Because believe it or not, negativity can spread…and it WILL spread.

    This isn’t to beat anyone up, because I wholeheartedly agree with most of the criticism in this post. I’m a new viewer but just this week I’ve turned from GH mid-episode about 3 times already. HOWEVER, I see that this show could be fantastic with a little fine-tuning….that’s all :)

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    Cornfed

    @EricaEvinTwin– agreed. LOVE Kelly Sullivan’s work, and have said so here many times and haven’t really dissed the DID s/l at all. I prefer having her on the show, whatever it is she has to do to stay. I don’t think we need 4 days of it in a row as they rehash the same plot points, but i can totally dig the acting and performances.

    I agree about the pacing issues, 100%.

    As long as the ratings stay good, that’s what matters most, you’re right!

    I think LLo is lovely, but not sure of the relevance of Olivia and it’s a tiny bit distracting, but overall still wanna see Reeves go, BUT NOT THE CHARACTER.

    The only time i’m truly concerned about the show is when i’m FF-ing thru a majority of it, or when Molly & Rafe are dominating a sweeps month.

    I’ll try to stop being paranoid about any more cast changes, unless they’re good ones!

    @nysam — love your post — yes, the vampire story was a mess, imo…but love hearing all feedback or i wouldn’t be here!

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    TV Gord

    [quote=Perkie]The point is that you dont’ want to attack fictional characters but are fine attacking real people. The point isn’t that you can’t attack real people but that you would want to.[/quote]

    First of all, “attack” is a pretty strange word to be using in this context. I’m disagreeing with some people, not lunging at them with a knife. (I wouldn’t dare, considering all the thin skin.) ;-)

    Second, I never said anything about fictional characters, you did. I even took jabs at A.J. and Starr (a character I love) in my comments earlier, so I have obviously have no problem with criticizing characters. (I try not to go after the actors, the way others do.)

    As I’ve said before, what bugs me is all of the constant Cartini bashing, when all they’re doing is keeping the show alive (as J. Bernard points out with the stronger ratings), and some of us are actually enjoying the show. I’m not saying people have no right to post whatever they want; I’m just reacting to it. You’re reacting to my opinion, and that’s fine, too. That’s how message boards are supposed to work.

    I repeatedly read people’s opinions that Kelly Sullivan is awful or Kristen Alderson is a bad actress and on and on, yet I’m the one who gets accused of “attacking” when I (accurately) pull the Negative Nellie card. It’s absurd.

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    TV Gord

    And by the way, all the negativity drives people away from this board. I’ve had more than a few private messages from people who used to post regularly but don’t anymore, because of the overwhelming negativity. I think they should post more to balance things out, but some have said it’s just not worth it. Personally, I think it is.

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    Cornfed

    My next post will be about everything i LOVED about today’s episode. I may not log on until Monday, but will try to look for the good in today’s show. Admittedly the overall direction of the show recently PLUS JMB taking a hike has maybe put a bad taste in my mouth, i must admit.

    And it should be noted that i do NOT think KA is a bad actress, i just have issues with CarTooni’s overall vision/pacing of the show recently. (*Paging Brandon Barash, now down to 2 epis a month*…)

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    Cornfed

    TVGord, i love the fact that you’re loving the show, even tho i don’t agree. I would say more that you’re BAITING people as opposed to attacking them, but Perkie has the main gist of it. You could — as suggestion — leave the personal intro out of your post and just state instead what you really liked, and then honestly add anything you found less than stellar, and leave it at that. The way it is now, it just comes across as baiting, whether that’s the intention or not. Jmo.

    Stating that Starr is being pushed into EVERY conceivable story on the show is a dead-on correct observation; it’s not being a Negative Nelly. From time to time we see TPTB force certain characters on us on ALL shows, but the difference with this one is that we pretty much know she ain’t goin nowhere, which make it even worse!

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Not to get in the middle here, but Iowa I thought TVGord said you were NOT a negative nelly. I certainly dont read your posts that way, but I also dont find tvgords posts baiting either. I cant speak for tvgord, but i would say there is a HUGE difference between evaluating the show both positively and negatively vs. being a nitpicker and i do think some of the nitpicking does drive people away. When I log on i never know what you will like or not like, ditto perkie – its not this character is great and everything else that detracts from my fave is shit and its not looking for tiny little details to bash an entire storyline etc. etc. the way some people post. There are some that I can literally predict what and when they will bash and that their posts hardly EVER have anything positive to say. Talking about fleshing out stories or debating whether something is in character or looking at how the show is paced – thats exactly what I think a message board is for – and that is how I would characterize most if not all of your posts as well as perkies.

    My ONLY exception – and remember that this is coming from someone that has taken MUCH flack for calling CHARACTERS nicknames – is the use of the term cartooni. The one thing that you have to give ron and frank is that they both clearly love and care for the genre and the show and they seem to be trying very hard to give viewers exactly what we have been asking for over the guza/wolfe years – more vets, more qs, more hospital, less mob, better use of the whole cast etc. I think that earns them some level of respect from us as viewers, but thats just me – I draw a distinction between barbs at characters and barbs at real people though it is your right to use such terms.

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    TV Gord

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]TVGord, i love the fact that you’re loving the show, even tho i don’t agree. I would say more that you’re BAITING people as opposed to attacking them, but Perkie has the main gist of it. You could — as suggestion — leave the personal intro out of your post and just state instead what you really liked, and then honestly add anything you found less than stellar, and leave it at that.[/quote]

    That’s what I did in #24.

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]Stating that Starr is being pushed into EVERY conceivable story on the show is a dead-on correct observation; it’s not being a Negative Nelly. From time to time we see TPTB force certain characters on us on ALL shows, but the difference with this one is that we pretty much know she ain’t goin nowhere, which make it even worse![/quote]

    It’s not any one commenter in particular. It’s the cumulative effect of all the show-bashing. There are just some people who would never say anything positive about anything Ron does, and I think they deserve to be called out on it from time to time. Again, I’m not saying people shouldn’t post what they want to post, but if it gets on my nerves, I’m going to say so. And sometimes it has a positive effect when I do, because it brings out some of those others who agree with me. Not lately, but I think some have given up on this board. I’m not likely to (any more than any of you are likely to give up on GH, even though some are getting little enjoyment out of it).

    I am sorry that some people take my comments so personally. It’s not my intention to bait anyone, regardless of whether you agree with that. I’m posting my opinion. That’s all I’m doing. I have no problem getting feedback from any of you, either. I dish it out. I can take it.

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    Cornfed

    To both of you above, it’s all good and appreciate your posts. I try not to nitpick, and hope i’m not seen as a negative nelly. I’m just a member of soapbaby’s fan club (lol) and have been a soap watcher since 1980, but honestly even before that, more like the Summer of ’79 give or take. I admit i can be FICKLE, i will drop a soap if i’m not a fan of the current HW or EP, it’s happened before and i’m sure it’ll happen again, but hopefully not soon. B/c of this thread and your posts, i actually do pay more attention to Baby Danny!

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    Cornfed

    If any of you were around during the golden age of soaps, when stories and characters were carefully and slowly woven in and out, it’s easier to compare the good AND the bad of that type of storytelling. For example, when i see hacks like Gary Tomlin push only HIS vision of DOOL, it’s beyond frustrating when you vividly remember every single HW and EP the show ever had. And the same goes for any other show. We’ve all seen so many soaps die on the vine in the past decade, it’s easy to see how quickly things can fade. I can barely handle True Blood were it not for Anna Pacquin grounding the proceedings somewhat, so i’m not in need of any front and center vampire story. Jmo.

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    Cornfed

    As for the nicknames, i must admit the threads can be a TAD bit more fun when we can make light of certain aspects. And when a vampire story SWALLOWS UP WHOLE a show you love and adore, i think it’s okay to throw out a spoof or two. I have busted a gut more than a few times trying to pronounce “Cawnie CarTooni Falcolooni”, and “Clayleb” is a stroke of genius. The soap threads become ALMOST more enjoyable than the soap itself, so i think ppl should be free to be funny or serious or whatever inspires them….just my two cents.

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    Yoryla

    Finally MONICA! Where has she been all this time? Love how she’s the only one who can put Tracy in her place.

    So now Starr is a CHEMIST genius aswell?!? Oh GMAB! Is there nothing she can’t do??? Lol.

    I found out about two weeks ago that against all the speculations, Steve wouldn’t be dying. But since I had already gotten used to the idea, I was kind of bummed! I want him to die now! It would prove for such good storyline for Liz and Liv, and bring Audrey back in a most organic way. But I guess this way it’s okay, so they can later on get him back RECASTED. It is true that the Hardy/Webbers are way too few on screen.

    Still bothers me that Liv and Dante look more like siblings and not mother and son.

    I am SO glad this Caleb nonsense is FINALLY coming to end (it is, right?!). It’s not even that the storyline was bad in itself, a) imo it just didn’t belong on GH and b) it took up valuable screen time from storylines and characters that are way more important. Lynn Herring is great, but I don’t want to see The Lucy Coe being portrayed as a crazy person. Like today when she was debating with herself whether she or Caleb is the crazy one. THAT is not a Lucy Coe I’m interested in seeing.

    Tomorrow looks great! :)

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    jujube1013

    i didn’t like the notvamp story, but not b/c it was campy, I watched gh during laura falls in love w/her rapist and freezing the world, i was 6-9 at the time, but b/c it was a s/l from a show CANCELLED what 10(?)yrs ago? Lucy has gh history, she should have been w/her friends not being buffy. and to have it during sweeps, hello it FAILED on another show, was idiotic.

    we have Laura back! and she was barely on.

    hopefully we can get back to the NB, kick sabrina out of it, let Liz have her rightful place heading that committee along w/Piph and Audrey. Liz can call Nik,Jax and Sonny, all of whom she knows and has known for yrs and all of them have money, Patrick can get a hold of Brenda who also has money, they don’t have to rely on just ELQ. get sabrina out b/c she was just doing it to get into Patrick’s pants.

    how about bringing back Jake, he is an ELQ heir, he was also Alan’s heir.
    the people out for that kid were numerous.

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    Yoryla

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]Yoryla, how wonderful are you? What a breath of fresh air this post is, gotta keep it real, and we love our soaps! :beer:[/quote]

    Why thank You, you’re great too! :) Just using this outlet the best way I can. The episodes just leave me with so many thoughts, and it’s nice to read everyone else’s too!

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    J Bernard Jones

    nysam wrote:

    People on this board love to blame Guza (he did a lot wrong), but Guza wasn’t responsible for this vampire mess.

    jujube1013 wrote

    it was a s/l from a show CANCELLED what 10(?)yrs ago? …. and to have it during sweeps, hello it FAILED on another show, was idiotic.

    And yet — once again — it bears pointing out that for the week of February 18-22, 2013, according to SON’s ratings release, all four daytime soap operas were up in Total Viewers after dipping the previous week, with GH picking up 243,000 viewers.

    In other words, this constant harping on the fact that Port Charles was cancelled ten years ago as a way to try to make it look like Carlivati & Valentini made some huge error with melding an element from PC’s telenovela era with GH is more or less invalidated by the fact that ratings (= viewership) are up…and not insignificantly so at that.

    (It is also a terrible argument to make if one also happens to be a fan of AMC or OLTL: why bring them back when they were “CANCELLED”…without the supposed deficit of vampires. Under the “CANCELLATION” rubric of doing something again that failed, there is no justification to bring them back either, is there?).

    The forces that led to Port Charles’ demise cannot solely be laid at the feet of the supernatural element of the show! It was in a long, long troubled time slot, they not only switched the style of storytellingto supernatural but also the format to telenovela, “The View” was waiting in the wings and the show was already in imminent danger of cancellation before the switches…which is why the switches were made in the first place! PC was never some healthy show that was undone solely by the decision to feature vampires and to continue to use that as an excuse to rail against the story on GH isundone by the fact that ratings are up.

    To that end, EricasEvilTiwn wrote

    I call it nitpicking when the complaints are seemingly random and often miniscule and never balanced by anything positive….

    Luckily looking at the ratings and the posts on facebook about the show, i think more people are happy with the show than unhappy.

    Exactly.

    I want to take my own personal enjoyment of GH out of the equation for a second, because I’ve been personally delighted with the sheer entertainment value that Carlivati/Valentini have brought to this show since they took over the reigns. So my bias is pretty much out there.

    Mind you, I’m not saying that GH is perfection by a long shot, but I think it bears keeping in mind — objectively speaking — that Carlivati & Valentini are serving multiple masters, multiple agendas and are keeping so many balls up in the air that, while some of them fall flat here and there, they get a helluva lot more right than they do wrong. When was the last time GH was this balanced and varied in terms of the sheer number of storylines being serviced? When was the last time the Q’s were featured in a history honoring storyline (and let’s take out the part about Pickle-Lila being “silly”; the original Pickle-Lila storyline was pretty silly too — with ALL THE Q’s LIVING ABOVE KELLY’S!! — as beloved as it might now be in retrospect)? When was the last time the level of actual mob activity this been this low? When was the last time storylines featuring the hospital and hospital personnel had this much regular airtime? And, speaking of vets, let’s look at one in particular:

    Lucy’s return has been met with quite a bit of controversy, perhaps more than any other returning character or actor on the show thus far. Aside from the fact that Lynn Herring has invested in and delivered knockout performances day in and day out, Lucy’s return has not been a drive-by cameo. Herring, like most of the returnees, has been on recurring status (to my knowledge). If her return was predicated on coming back to help usher in the Nurse’s Ball, that was destined to be a short trip. While she has friends in PC, she’s hasn’t been essential to the show’s canvas for years…despite fan nostalgia for the character. There have been great suggestions for Lucy from many of the fans; for example, she could have come in and taken over Crimson…but from a long term perspective, I simply couldn’t see how that would be sustainable as a reason to keep Lucy involved in the long run.

    Now, let’s look at what has actually happened: Lucy was re-introduced to help usher in the Nurse’s Ball, yes…but then was given prominent status in a front burner story with some of the show’s biggest current players where she has been stellar in scene after scene. That story — whether one likes it or hates it — is actually based on actual history that — whether one likes it or hates it — involved Lucy in a major way and — whether one likes it or hates it — has been true to Lucy’c character, if not exactly on GH then certainly on PC. And here is where the rubber hits the road….

    Even if one didn’t have a history with PC, didn’t watch it, criticize it for being a failure and all the rest, the fact is that there are still a lot of fans around (like me) who really did watch that show and loved it for what it was and appreciated its ambitions at a time before vampires and supernatural soaps like The Vampire Diaries, Secret Circle, True Blood, The Walking Dead, Being Human and others became the hot thing and do have a history with those stories and characters and who have embraced this re-imagining (even while some other PC fans have not). And we also watched/watch GH, too. So this whole idea that “your soap” somehow is being violated frustratingly (and, for some, infuriatingly) leaves out the fact that “your soap” isn’t just yours alone.

    Lucy embodies that fissure, a character who has histories on two shows that are either embraced (or rejected) by fans of both. Personally, I don’t see Lucy as “crazy” (and still don’t understand why some fans see her as crazy) just because some characters see her as crazy, especially when we know the truth of the situation or are at least left to wonder about them. That is sort of the worst kind of literalism and I, for one, like how Carlivati & Valentini have handled the situation.

    Furthermore, look at the following: while I hated to see Alison killed off (Ms. Hershey-Presley is more luminous than ever!), I see the seeds of a longer game plan in place for Lucy. By killing Alison (who was a PC character, not a GH one) and initially tying Rafe to Molly and the Barrington fortune, Lucy has been set up to be his guardian, giving her a solid reason to stick around in PC in addition to all her other connections. I have no idea if this is how it will actually turn out or if that is the actual plan, but it sure looks like it. And if that does turn out to be the case, then that’s some forward thinking I can get behind if it means keeping Ms. Herring and Lucy around on the canvas a lot longer than originally planned. Whether or not others get behind that is up to them.

    The age old debate in these and other forums goes something like this: “I have a right to complain about something that is wrong and how dare anyone criticize me or anyone else for doing so. No one wants to be a part of a cheering squad that thinks the show is perfect.” Well, it is true that all of us have a right to be critical, even hyper-critical, of GH or any other show. But let’s be honest: even the most positive and pollyan-ish of posters often find things that nag them or they wish were better (Starr is being entrusted to analyze Pickle-Lila? REALLY? I’m with a lot of you all on that one!) while there are some whose relentless negativity never sees any good in a show they supposedly “love” anywhere at any time. And the latter is going to produce counter-reaction to the reactions.

    As someone who is completely comfortable with a spirited debate (I believe Perkie once even called me out (not by name) by being too spirited in response to others), I have no problem with the critics, but I wish some of the harsher criticism were tempered a bit more with some balance (what do you truly like on any given episode, not “I like the fact that Sonny wasn’t on!” which can be just a passive aggressive way of being negative) and, in some cases, not repeating the same old (in some cases, easily disproven) talking points over and over again as if repetition alone makes them true.

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    [quote=nysam]@SavePortChuck…. Maybe Monica is expecting ghost Alan to make a visit :)[/quote]

    Missed opportunity: it would have been a nice character touch to have Monica shown hiding a much younger hunky lover in her boudoir to explain her being “made up”. Very believably “Monica” given her legendary appetites.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    JBernard I fear we are wasting our collective breaths here. Case in point the post write before yours – the entire vamp story is terrible because its from a show that was cancelled so instead we should focus only on the nurses ball and have the entire story revolve around one character – Liz. (oh and btw the NB WILL be featured but they are saving that for the anniversary but hey lets bash now anyway) I dont really see posters like that as being a fan of the show or open to liking anything cartini does because they only really love one or two characters and tolerate the rest of the show so they can watch their favorite.

    Vet, I am not an apologist. i liked the vamp story both on PC and on GH. I make no apologies for that. My point is that it is ONE part of what is airing right now and it was essentially a quick story that probably was written solely to open the door to keeping michael easton even if they cant keep john. Ive never watched a show where I liked EVERY story so when its clear that some people are only bashing one story line and thats all they post about for three days – whether its vamps or did or sabrina etc. – I consider that nitpicking because what about the other dozen stories that are going on during that day. Did you like ANY of them. And I especially feel that way when the comments are all about things like sabrinas hair – what a waste of air time, how many dumb hairstyles can they give this girl? or why is kate on so much instead of my favorite? or sams ropes looked loose and johns hair didnt look at much different than calebs – their “critical analysis” then seems trivial.

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    Let me make sure I understand, it is trivial to point out that Sam is laying on a table completely capable of getting up because she was Not tied up while both Lucy and John are suposed to be rescuing her ? The point of the scene was her rescue and she was the focus. We should ignore that.

    For years, you have examined and re- examined Liz’s eye brows to the point you named them while she was in the background of a scene and not at all the focus. But, that was not trivial? Uh, ok!!!

    Good to know. So funny

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