BREAKING NEWS: Michael Easton, Kristen Alderson AND Roger Howarth to Play NEW Characters on General Hospital!





Three familiar faces are heading back to General Hospital. However, they reportedly won't be playing the same characters they portrayed the last time you saw them! TV Guide Magazine's Michael Logan is reporting Michael Easton, Kristen Alderson and Roger Howarth will all be playing new characters when they return to General Hospital!

While Howarth was initially set to reprise the role of Todd Manning on GH—after briefly returning to One Life to Live for that sudser's relaunch—the brass at GH has reportedly opted to sever ties with Prospect Park, by creating an all-new role for him. Easton and Alderson, who didn't make deals to reprise John and Starr on the new OLTL, will also play new characters on GH

From the article:

"Prospect Park has been extremely difficult to deal with on this issue so GH basically said, 'Screw it! We'll create all new characters!'" notes one source privy to the situation. "It's the only way GH can get past the problem and get on with business."

Photo of Michael Easton by ABC Daytime

212 Responses

  1. Profile photo of SZima
    SZima

    Well, if soaps can bring people back from the dead, they certainly can figure out how to have the same actors playing different roles. Or maybe basically the same roles with different names :)
    They can just pick up where they left off, using new names, and continue as if nothing happened. I’m sure they won’t be able to reference anything Llanview anymore, but so what? At this point, they are all well enough established that they don’t have to.

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    DonnyA2001

    Wow….this is crazy! I could absolutely understand Roger Howarth not coming back as Todd cause honestly, Todd should be serving consecutive life sentences for everything he has done. I understand Easton coming back as someone new, but it’s funny cause he’s already been two different characters in the GH universe with no explanation as to why they look a like. Plus Easton has amazing chemistry with Kelly Monacco. However, Alderson doesn’t need to come back. The original Serena Baldwin needs to come back as a new love interest for Michael.

    I would also prefer these people come back as recast for older characters…would have to think about who, but in my opinion Easton and Howarth can come back, but Alderson needs to go back to Llanview.

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    days4ever

    Terrible idea! Who is gonna care about Kristen Alderson in a new role? The fact that they just played out the Caleb/Steven Clay story with Michael Easton and now we are supposed to have another look alike of John come to town and of Todd and Starr too. This will really damage this show. I think PP should have just sold the characters to them. Now I’m assuming that PP will recast Starr and Todd. No reason to for John McBain because it was Michael Easton that made the character IMO.

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    Windsor Heights

    If I trust anyone to handle this craziness, it’s Ron to the Carlivati!! I am curious and optimistic to see where this goes. I am happy that we at least get to see the actors again. Maybe KA could have stronger chemistry with Chad Duell as a new character. I loved Starr and Michael but wanted a little more oomph. I never blamed it on the actors per say, but if Kristen came on as somebody completely new, I would love to see where that goes. Again, THRILLED we still get to keep Kristen Alderson, Roger Howarth and Michael Easton. Um, please don’t bring back Caleb or whatever his other name was, Ron, THAT I do beg of you!!

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    mecasey

    Worse decision ever. WHY must these 3 actors remain on GH? They have history with OLTL, not GH! General Hospital CAN exist without them. I could understand one of them returning, but to return all 3 as different characters??? WHY? The way it comes across is the SOLE reason GH exists is to support these 3 actors. SMH!

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    stefanstavros

    I understand GH’s and the actors’ dilemmas, but this kinda sucks! It’s too awkward and jarring in my opinion to have these actors play new roles when they are SO tied to well-known characters. To even begin to make it work, they will need to alter the physical appearances of all three of them. Sorry Michael, but your precious long locks will need to go completely! LOL Kristen will need a new do and new color (maybe redhead?).
    But what really sucks about this whole deal is now we OLTL fans will be cheated out of three important characters important to the history of the show. Prospect Park can’t pay them as much as ABC. Maybe they could in the future if the reboots take off. Ho-hum….at least nothing’s permanent in today’s world, especially in the TV arena. Hopefully the actors will be able to go back to these original roles in the future.

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    Katiebug9624

    Honestly this is the worst idea I have heard in a long time. The main reason Michael, Roger and Kristen were accepted so well on GH was because they already had a following with OLTL. I don’t give a rats ass about Kristen playing another character and I disliked when Roger played on ATWT just because the actors make the role yes that’s true but this is just stupid.

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    mfarris70

    Easton and Howarth are strong leading men and I’m anxious to see where this goes. I would think that the best way to do it would be to give them makeovers, have the new characters not connected to each other and to pair them with characters other then Carly, Michael and Sam, at least at the beginning.

    Howarth would make a great Tom Hardy, last played by Matthew Ashford. I think Alderson could pull off playing a real bitch, maybe the sought after Lauren Frank? Have a feeling that Easton will come back as someone related to McBain and/or Stephen Clay to finish up that storyline.

    Knowing Ron Carlavati, it will probably be humorous and wink-wink, not trying to pull one over on the audience or pretend like no one will notice. Looking forward to how this happens, soap opera history in the making!

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    Katiebug9624

    I think this is just ABC/GH’s way of keeping these three actors on the canvas but not having to pay PP license fee for the characters of Star, Todd and John….problem is they have had these characters on the show for some time now it will be hard to associate them as different characters.

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    appleridge

    I see it now, KA will be either a Serena recast or Lauren Frank

    I wonder who ME will play. Maybe Stephen Clay again

    RH I have no ide who he could play? Maybe someone with History to GH

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    KMRDaytime

    I think Prospect Park dropped the ball on this one — they should have been generous and let the characters stay on GH since even if they didn’t show up for the reboot they could still be referred to and potentially visit in the future. It would have shown a respect for the fans.

    Prospect Park now has the rights to the “characters” of Todd and Starr but without the actors who created and grew in the roles I have no interest in investing the time it would take to appreciate new actors in those roles and OLTL without Todd and Starr doesn’t have nearly as much appeal. The lack of respect for fans has left a bad taste in my mouth and frankly has me less likely to be a regular new OLTL viewer.

  12. Profile photo of mfarris70
    mfarris70

    It is actually PP that is paying a licensing fee to ABC for the AMC and OLTL characters. According to the article, ABC just got tired of dealing with PP. I think it’s a smart move, who knows what will happen to the rebooted shows.

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    mrsa1107

    Wow– this shoul be interesting. If it was one new character- no big deal……but three!!!!!!!!!!????????? Thats gonna be strange

    I find it strange that ME will have now played three roles on GH- unless he comes back as Caleb. Maybe Caleb could be in the mental hospital and be treated and come back to town as a normal guy???? MAYBE???

    KA– would make a perfect Sierrena recast– could be Lucy’s daughter– which would be great.

    The problem I see is RH. I think Todd and Carly are great together. And I love the chem. between him and KA as father and daughter. So I wonder if they will create new roles for them or dig deep in their bag of tricks and old characters and bring back someone from GH past and have him as a recast in that role??????????????? Maybe he’ll be teh missing Q?

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    Ravennite613

    Why can’t they just give them different last names – It’s really not that hard.

    I adore all three and in the end the actors have chosen to be a part of the GH family…

    While I am sorry that OLTL fans won’t get the actors they have come to know they will have the characters and in the end I guess that was more important to PP

    I would have no problem with them all coming back as if nothing happened with just a simple blip explaining it and then just move on…Todd can keep his backstory and John can come back and say that the child was not his and move on with Sam

    Let’s get this moving because I need McBam (or whatever the squish name will become once its decided)

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    radrobd

    I don’t think it will work. In theory, they could bring back Michael Easton as Caleb, but I don’t think the GH fans wants any more vampires. As for Roger Howarth, he is a good actor, but so identified with the role of Todd. If they create a new character for Howarth but with Todd’s humor and mannerisms, I could see Prospect Park filing suit. As for Alderson, I’m sorry but she is not needed. She may be under contract, but she is not a big star. Starr was connected to Todd and without that connection, I don’t see that she’s needed. Plus, I never thought Alderson and Chad Duell had any chemistry.

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    SwanQueen59

    I mentioned to some friends of mine the Llanview transplant that I believe has the best ability to move around the GH canvas is ME’s McBain. I’ll be sorry to see that character have to be shelved. It’s too bad that the negotiations with PP have affected not just the actors in question but also the storyboards. So much of this upheaval has played into not just returns for the 50th Anniversary but also (and this is just guessing on my part), actors choosing to leave. Not just because their stories are less than fullfilling to play, but also because they see how much havoc can be wreaked by outside interests that sadly haven’t done anybody any favors. Personally, I can do without either Manning, although RoHo has been amusing. KA however, as I’ve said before, isn’t much better than LM and should they consider bringing her back in as a recast for Serena Baldwin, it will be partially becasuse, (again guessing here), she comes cheaper, salary wise. In any case, I’m less than thrilled with this overall development… 0:)

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    soapbaby

    I like Howarth & Easton and I really dislike Alderson. I am not sure this is a good idea to bring these actors back as new characters. One might work successfully but three is a bit much. I would not have been heartbroken if they left altogether. The GH cast is rather bloated so I looked forward to these actors/characters being removed from the canvas.

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    GHFan76

    They are now put personal feelings in front of the quality of the show IMO. And I think it’s a bad move. GH has an amazing cast and huge canvas of characters we know. They are making GH about giving RH, ME and KA. Not good business.

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    appleridge

    PP has Todd for four weeks of filming and then will most likely right him out. IMHO OLTL doesnt need John. So his FBI case may be a long one. OLTL could recast Starr the easiest. Love KA but loved ET and they recast Jessica successfully. So im sure they can do the same with Starr. If they decide not to at this time, then Maybe Starr got a new music deal & stayed in LA

    I bet KA will be either Serena or Lauren Frank. Im betting Serena so she could be paired with Michael. I do wonder if ME will play Caleb again or is it a new role, No Idea who RH would play. Maybe characters with GH histories would be nice.

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    angrierblackerman

    I really hope they change the actors’ appearances. Like maybe make McBain a blonde? Of course it all depends on when they introduce these new characters onto the canvas.

    I’m sure they won’t have them all riding in together on a horse. I have faith that it will be gradual enough not to confuse the (f-word) out of people.

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    mfarris70

    “Worst idea ever?” Really? In the whole history of the world (i.e. “ever”) this is the worst idea? Let’s all take a chill pill and see how it plays out before rushing to judgement with pitchforks and torches. Just an idea.

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    GHteenybopper

    Hmmm… I’m not sure how I feel about this, it depends on when GH decides to introduce these new characters. When Sarah Brown came back as Claudia, it worked because it had been years since she was last on as Carly and she looked different and played Claudia without us thinking that’s how she would have played Carly. I think timing for me will be a factor, and I hope they don’t automatically thrust Roger, Michael and Alderson’s characters right back into Carly, Sam and Michael’s orbit right away.

    I know they signed 3 year contracts with GH, or at least I think they did, so I get why GH is obligated to keep them on the show, this kinda worries me as to how viewers will react. I may complain, but I’ll be watching and hope people will continue to tune in as you never know when ABC may decide to complete cut ties with soaps and assume Prospect Park will pick it up.

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    Ravennite613

    I for one do not want them to come back as completely new characters because I do not need to watch a slow burn between couples thay were just starting to come together

    So I will have to sit through Carly having feelings for a NEW guy or Sam to start barking up the tree of another man so soon after John leaves –

    I like Starr and Michael and don’t want to be subjected to Michael pinning over Starr just to find the new person who for me will always be Starr

    Cartini slap new last names on them and call it a day

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    Katiebug9624

    So does this mean its possible now for TSJ to come back as Todd and not Victor? I swear I saw on the PP facebook were they were thanking the cast of PP OLTL TSJs name was at the end.

    As for Roger, Michael and Kristen going to GH as new characters ehhh I don’t have any affiliation with these “new” characters. They better be written well and integrated because right now i’m enjoying seeing characters that I have known and loved for years on GH.

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    john2124

    I am happy with this. They came on to help this gain fans from OLTL and I think they did that. I sad because I love the OLTL connection and the links it bought to the show. Todd and Heather have been gold together. The slow build for John and Sam has been awesome, Starr had been ok with me. She has her moments, but she proved that last month of OLTL that she can act so I will give her a chance. I have few ideas:
    As suggested above bring RH in as TH and reveal that he is Shawn’s friend and TJ is Tom Hardy Jr.
    KA can come on as Serena Baldwin. I think she would be great and develop well around LH, KinS.
    ME I am not sure who he could be. I want it to be someone tied to the canvas though. I like show so I will trust in the people they hired.

  26. Profile photo of Blackjaxs
    Blackjaxs

    DUMB…

    What does this mean for other characters like Skye who is an AMC original? Will she be off the GH canvas as well or does she get to stay because her most recent stints were in Port Charles?

    ABC should have played this thing so much smarter, and struck a deal with PP to help strengthen both brands. In my opinion they still really need each other.

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    gotenks1982

    That is the most stupid thing ive ever heard. GH is a bunch of cry babies. Prospect Park owned those characters and had every right to want to use them. They were KEY players especially Todd so of course they wanted to use them. So if GH couldnt suck it up for a few weeks just to let PP borrow them then GH can well I cant say it here. GH I look forward to your demise cause PP wont be helping you back. Now were screwed out of seeing Todd come back to oltl again in future. GH knew thins could happen if oltl got back on track. Idiots….

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    FaisonFanInTexas

    Wow. This is crazy. I think it’s going to be hard to get used to these 3 with all new personalities & so forth but with faces of people we already know. Lotsa dopplegangers in Port Chuckles these days. ;)

    I am all for leaving KA in Llanview. :party: :party:

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    mecasey

    When I posted ‘worse idea ever’ I was referencing the topic of this discussion. Stop policing other people’s opinions. We are allowed to express our reactions here!

    I can’t believe more time from GH will be wasted to reintroduce 3 actors on GH – one of whom has received 2 introductions already.

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    soapjunkie88

    Craziest shit ever. What in the hell is ABC thinking??? Sorry but if you can’t reintroduce them as the characters the audience grow to love over the last year, why bother at all???

    That’s not good. Feel sorry for RC, FV and the three actors involved.

    Thanks for being so difficult, ABC and PP.

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    mackenzie2184

    I don’t even watch the show and I think this is the worst decision ABC has made. How in the world will fans separate the 3 OLTL characters that KA, ME, & RH currently had from the brand new ones that will be written for them? I just don’t see this going well.

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    appleridge

    [quote=soapjunkie88]Craziest shit ever. What in the hell is ABC thinking??? Sorry but if you can’t reintroduce them as the characters the audience grow to love over the last year, why bother at all???

    That’s not good. Feel sorry for RC, FV and the three actors involved.

    Thanks for being so difficult, ABC and PP.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    PP was willing to share & then let them go back to GH They made that deal with RH to let him be Todd on GH as well. Sounds like ABC didnt want to make it work.

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    cord2012

    [quote]Why can’t they just give them different last names – It’s really not that hard.[/quote]
    It’s not just an issue of names. PP owns the rights to the whole character, which I assume, means that they own the creative history of the characters, as well as the names. For GH to just change the names and use the same background history would probably be an infringement of copyright.

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    TV Gord

    This is shortsighted on the part of Prospect Park. They could have let GH have the characters, and use them to occasionally cross-promote OLTL online. Despite all of their rosy predictions, OLTL and AMC will be struggling to survive, and they can use all of the exposure they can get. If they had Blair visit every now and then, or maybe McBain get to spend some time with his son (once he and Natalie get the custody sorted out), they can always remind viewers that OLTL still exists.

    I agree with those who think they should come back with the same first names, but new last names. I enjoyed Todd and Carly, Starr and Michael and especially John and Sam. Like others, I do not want to have to go back to square one with these three storylines. I’d also hate to lose the close bond between John and Anna.

    This development–if true–just reconfirms to me that Prospect Park doesn’t have a clue what they are doing. If they are playing hardball with ABC and losing the link to a network show, they know nothing about how to make the most of their opportunities.

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    mfarris70

    Also note that the reason Todd, Star and John McBain are on GH is because Prospect Park failed and gave up on their plans to produce AMC and OLTL and willing let the characters go to GH, where the actors had to sign ABC contracts. The characters were already established on the show when PP decided to try with OLTL again.

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    slick234

    Ugh, I so hope this is not true! They have meshed so well on the GH canvas as the original OLTL characters. They may be able to pull off new characters for Howarth and Alderson but to do that with Easton is going to be crazy.

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    rjm118

    Prospect Park has just mad their first disastrous move since they took almost 2 years to bring these shows back.

    They had an opportunity to cross-promote OLTL. They are in unchartered waters with this online reboot and having Todd, Starr and McBain do crossovers would have only given OLTL a boost.

    VERY disapointing.

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    mrsa1107

    Jamie or anyone else who may know this info– does PP also own the rights to Skye? SInce Skye is originally a AMC character – who was on all three show. Does that mean she will no longer be able to return to GH? Can only do AMC or OLTL??

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    ladyofthelake

    Wow, they are really fighting hard to keep these 3 actors. Makes you wonder if they would fight this hard for any GH actor. I know people are gonna jump down my throat but that’s how I feel. I don’t think GH needs these characters, maybe McBain. I hated these characters on OLTL & continued to hate them on GH. It’s stupid & it’ll be weird but there is plenty of stupid on GH now. Plenty of good stuff as well but the rest is stupid.

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    thecourt99

    This is how it should have been in the first place….and I don’t know how PP gets the blame here. PP paid for the rights to those characters and are merely exercising those rights. ABC wants to change the game and take ownership back. Why should PP roll over…and why is ABC fighting so hard for these characters? I don’t get it.

    I am happy that they “let” PP have the characters that they own, but that whole thing about working with PP sounds like sour grapes. ABC/GH wanted PP to roll over and they didn’t.

    To me, this is the best solution. The actors get to stay where they want, and PP gets the characters.

    Now…we will see what RC has up his sleeve and how he decides to write them. I think KA will come back as Lauren Frank.

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    appleridge

    ITA TheCourt99, ABC are the dumbasses here. They gave PP the rights to OLTL for a year & PP made it work. They have the rights to the characters and why shouldnt OLTL use their characters. GH has many characters they dont need Starr Todd Or John.

    I hope these new roles are tied to GH history

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    angrierblackerman

    Reminds me of the bible story where they were going to cut a baby in half because two women claimed the baby as their own. Well, that story ended well, but this one…the baby was cut in half for sure.

    This is definitely not going to be good for the new OLTL.

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    Ravennite613

    [quote=thecourt99]Now…we will see what RC has up his sleeve and how he decides to write them. I think KA will come back as Lauren Frank.[/quote]

    Don’t think so because that would mean Michael could not be with her as they are related and I don’t see Cartini give up on that

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    thecourt99

    [quote=Ravennite613][quote=thecourt99]Now…we will see what RC has up his sleeve and how he decides to write them. I think KA will come back as Lauren Frank.[/quote]Don’t think so because that would mean Michael could not be with her as they are related and I don’t see Cartini give up on that[/quote]

    Not really…she can be Franco’s daughter…and they find out later that he was never Jason’s twin and all of the DNA was faked. Then Michael is free to sex up Lauren because she “reminds him” of someone else..LOL

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    giogio

    PP is playing hardball, big time. They better hope no-one pushes back because whatever my feeling or anyone elses feelings are about these characters, there are alot of people out there who are going to get really pissed off about this. Another behind the scenes stupid story.

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    thedarknight3200

    I’m A FAITHFUL READER OF DAYTIMECONFIDENTIAL AND I ACTUALLY USE TO WORK as security guard OVER AT “ONE LIFE TO LIVE” WHEN IT WAS PRODUCE OVER ON 66TH STREET IN NEW YORK.

    MOST OF MY FRIENDS WHO WAS WORKING THERE AT THE TIME HAVE MOSTLY MOVED OVER TO THE CONNECTICUT STUDIO. I been trying to call folks to get some type of confirmation on this story, bcause like alot fans Im sooooooooooooo disappointed!! I really wanted the OLTL ACTORS to stay on GH as their current characters.. Please Jamie Giddens.. We are begging you, please give a little more information on this story!! Is it really true??? I hope not..

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    NAN

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    My GH favs are not getting enough airtime as it is.

    And ME is always boring boring boring IMO!!

    I hate this.

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    engradypind

    Alderson could play Serena Baldwin.

    Michael Easton would be recast as Jason Morgan returned from a watery grave. He could be a new doctor to take the place of Britt who is NOT working out. Please, let’s not have him back as Caleb or as Stephen Clay. A new cop? Not needed. A priest? Could be. Has GH ever had a resident cleryman?

    Roger Howarth could be a Cassadine. He could counter balance Helena but not in an expected, conventional way. Maybe he wants to take over the family fortune and unseat both Helena and Nicolas. OR, he could be the new Chief of Staff at the hospital.

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    Restless Fan

    I think it was a great idea Ron C had initially to have a small piece of OLTL live on over at GH but it’s time to cut the cord. I get why OLTL wants their popular stars back. That being said the idea of not one but three lookalike characters sounds like a potential train wreck waiting to happen. GH for the most part is a serious drama (minus the ridiculous vampire storyline) and to pull this off you have to delve into the most ridiculous part of what soaps do and suspend a great deal of disbelief. To quote Joanna Coles, “is it hideous or is it fabulous”? Time will tell. Maybe it will hideously fabulous?

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    mrsa1107

    [quote=appleridge]ITA TheCourt99, ABC are the dumbasses here. They gave PP the rights to OLTL for a year & PP made it work. They have the rights to the characters and why shouldnt OLTL use their characters. GH has many characters they dont need Starr Todd Or John.

    I hope these new roles are tied to GH history[/quote]

    I agree with you in both points!!

    I think ABC thought since they are the powerhouse network- PP would have backed down and its not the case. The 3 characters in question are tied to OLTL BIG TIME (maybe not so much John McBain– but Starr and Todd are huge characters for OLTL) and they (PP) shoudl have teh right to recast, kill off, write out– whatever they decided to do for these three characetrs. I mean as it is GH killed off Marty & Patricks son! So if SH ever decided to go back to OLTL – she will no longer have a child cause GH killed him. Kinda not fair, but they wanted to have Starr free of husband and child to match her up with Michael. Not caring about the OLTL history of Cole

    And whatever roles they decided to use for these three actors I hope they are tied to GH history in some way.
    I mean everyone is suggesting that KA play Sierrna– with Lucy on the canavs its a great fit!
    Mike E- should just redeem Caleb
    Roger————– that one I am not really sure of!

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    soapbaby

    Well, the transition for Roger Howarth shouldn’t be too difficult as he has not been playing Todd Manning on GH. I don’t know who that has been but that hasn’t been the Todd Manning I knew from Llanview! He’s had all of the humor of David Vickers and none of the gravitas of Todd Manning. David Vickers Jr.? LOL. ;-)

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    J Bernard Jones

    TV Gord wrote

    This is shortsighted on the part of Prospect Park. They could have let GH have the characters, and use them to occasionally cross-promote OLTL online.

    Exactly right. Everything I’m hearing from, shall we say, extremely reliable sources, Prospect Park — not the , er, nicest folk to play with on the playground — is indeed the culprit here, not ABC who wanted to share the actors & characters for the benefit of both parties.

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    missmuffett41

    I don’t think crossover would have worked for longterm storyline purposes.Story arcs yes, but for long story you would have to coordinate actors schedules and have cooperation with all the writers of both shows. I doubt it would have worked.

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]Exactly right. Everything I’m hearing from, shall we say, extremely reliable sources, Prospect Park — not the , er, nicest folk to play with on the playground — is indeed the culprit here, not ABC who wanted to share the actors & characters for the benefit of both parties.[/quote]

    Wonder how long it will take the difficult people from Prospect Park to release a statement, saying that they tried to make it work and ABC is the big bad wolf here.
    This company once again proves that it can’t be trusted. What was the statement PP gave only a couple of weeks ago? Something like “So even though we are paying ABC millions of dollars to license the shows, we have been and continue to be willing to equally share the characters with General Hospital and ABC.” – The hell they ARE NOT!

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    Ravennite613

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]

    TV Gord wrote
    This is shortsighted on the part of Prospect Park. They could have let GH have the characters, and use them to occasionally cross-promote OLTL online.

    Exactly right. Everything I’m hearing from, shall we say, extremely reliable sources, Prospect Park — not the , er, nicest folk to play with on the playground — is indeed the culprit here, not ABC who wanted to share the actors & characters for the benefit of both parties.[/quote]

    ~~~~~~

    Interesting…now OLTL get the names but not the faces associated with them.

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    thecourt99

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]

    TV Gord wroteThis is shortsighted on the part of Prospect Park. They could have let GH have the characters, and use them to occasionally cross-promote OLTL online.

    Exactly right. Everything I’m hearing from, shall we say, extremely reliable sources, Prospect Park — not the , er, nicest folk to play with on the playground — is indeed the culprit here, not ABC who wanted to share the actors & characters for the benefit of both parties.[/quote]

    I never thought sharing the actors and characters benefited both parties.

    First of all, as long as PP had ownership, that meant that ABC had to pay PP for continued use of the characters..and given the budget crunch mantra….I find it hard to believe that they were willing to pay up for these 3 characters for the 10 years that PP owns them.

    Secondly, there is a story impact. Who makes the ultimate decision regarding the story for these shared characters? I find it hard to believe that the GH team would be willing to follow the direction of the PP team. Sharing is one thing, but there still has to be a final decision point.

    Thirdly…I am not sure how open the actors would have been to sharing. From what has been made public, I don’t think KA or ME would have ever agreed to that. So I don’t agree with painting PP as the bad guy here.

    The GH team bet on PP to fail. I admire some cockiness and arrogance, but when you lose the bet….accept the loss. They have to deal with the agreement that was in place.

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    J Bernard Jones

    missmuffet41 wrote

    I don’t think crossover would have worked for longterm storyline purposes.Story arcs yes, but for long story you would have to coordinate actors schedules and have cooperation with all the writers of both shows. I doubt it would have worked.

    Right. My understanding is that had Prospect Park & ABC come to an agreement, any crossovers would have been short term, not long term.

    A quick example: Let’s say a story could up where Liam was sick in Llanview. John alone could go back to Llanview for the duration of that story, perhaps help out with a case and then return to Port Charles. This could have been a 4-6 week story that would not have materially impacted long term story of either show.

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    JASAMMABBY

    I could do with out KA- However I am excited about RH and ME.. I think those two are good enough to come on playing different characters.. Maybe make one of them a Jason recast!!!

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    appleridge

    PP had such an agreement to share Todd with GH. It seems ABC didnt want to work the logistics of that so they decided on new characters. No Blame on PP here. Kinda funny some now think ABC is all innocent. Please

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    GHvetfan

    Interesting very interesting!!!

    I would personally vote for more Patrick and more Johnny. We don’t need no stinkin Jason recast!!! Leave Michael Easton out with his freeze and pose acting. Although, I would like to see if he can play a new character without it being John but called Ron. I like RH and KA. I am interested if they change their names but leave them as father and daughter. I like the idea of leaving Todd’s rapist history behind so he is a viable love interest. I have not jumped on the Carly and Todd band wagon. I would like to see him play someone lighter and see if Carly can embrace a good guy again.

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    Ravennite613

    Neither party is innocent here but

    Who needs who more – ABC or PP?

    For me PP needs ABC more – this will just force PP to have to recast roles and might turn viewers away.

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    FoxyMegan

    [quote=mfarris70]”Worst idea ever?” Really? In the whole history of the world (i.e. “ever”) this is the worst idea? Let’s all take a chill pill and see how it plays out before rushing to judgement with pitchforks and torches. Just an idea.[/quote]

    I agree with you. They could find a fun and clever way to accomplish this, so let’s just see how it plays out.

    But you had to know this would be like red meat to the GHaters Club .. just waiting to pounce on anything and everything that GH does. Sad.

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    appleridge

    If there is a recast itll just be Starr. I see Todd filming four weeks which could play on screen for 2-3 months. By then his AABC deal will be up (May 2013) & he could not renew & stay on OLTL. John is not needed and GH gave him a very plausable long term exit. He is on an FBI case.

    So if OLTL needs Starr, recast. They did successfully with Jessica and can do it again.

    I dont think PP needs ABC. HULU is the one doing all the marketing now & has been kicking ass. I think the revivals will be fine without help from ABC

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    Katiebug9624

    Hmm I don’t know Ravvennite613 Todd has been recast before, not sure if John McBain is “really” needed on OLTL I know I could do without Starr LOL. I can see the appeal of the characters on GH heck I love John/Sam but I’m not so sure how going about recasting them as new characters will work guess we’ll find out.

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    logan_echolls

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Kristen can NOT play Serena. NO NO NO!!

    Basically what will happen is the three actors will have different names but they will be playing the same characters just different names.

    PP doesn’t own the personality of a character.

    I just hate that KA is coming back. That sucks.

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    Ravennite613

    [quote=Katiebug9624]Hmm I don’t know Ravvennite613 Todd has been recast before, not sure if John McBain is “really” needed on OLTL I know I could do without Starr LOL. I can see the appeal of the characters on GH heck I love John/Sam but I’m not so sure how going about recasting them as new characters will work guess we’ll find out.[/quote]

    Katie – You bring up great points which makes me wonder why fight for something that could be so easily solved – both sides are just busting out their yardsticks for a pissing contest

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    appleridge

    [quote=logan_echolls]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Kristen can NOT play Serena. NO NO NO!!

    Basically what will happen is the three actors will have different names but they will be playing the same characters just different names.

    PP doesn’t own the personality of a character.

    I just hate that KA is coming back. That sucks.[/quote]

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Im sure they cant be same, likeness or personality.

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    giogio

    I think PP could have lightened up on this craziness. They are not getting Kristen or Michael back cause they werent going anyway way back when.

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    liason4real

    What a freaking mess.

    I wonder how much this is going to piss off recurring GH vets that are back for the 50th anniversary and would love nothing more than to have a contract while ABC is jumping through hoops to keep KA, ME and RH.

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    FloridaDreamin

    Ok first let me say that these characters were finally established in the GH world and it was just starting to flow together. I love the characters of Todd and John and Starr was growing on me. (liked her much better on OLTL)

    However, it’s the characters that I’m attached to, not the actors so this screams disaster to me.
    I could be wrong, I HOPE I’m wrong.
    Michael Easton is fun to look at and great with Kelly. Roger is fun (I even enjoyed him on ATWT, which I know I’m in the minority) and Kris Alderson isn’t the terrible actor that some people make her out to be.

    I’m crossing my fingers and hoping for the best…but I’m not holding my breath. It’ll take to long for new characters to fit in and GH is on a roll right now…

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    soapbaby

    I know it’s not okay to critique the soaps’ “Lords and Saviors” over here at Daytime Confidential, Frank Valentini & Ron Carvialti, but I question the sanity of anyone going to the length of creating a new character to ensure Kristen Alderson remains on my television screen. ;-)

    I have to admit seeing Lucy, Scotty, Laura, Anna, Duke, Felicia and Frisco plus a returning Bobbie and Nikolas helps make GH ‘feel’ like GH to me. I have not been against OLTL characters joining GH (and have enjoyed Easton & Howarth, Alderson not at all) but with such a large cast of characters, I am fine with the actors/charcters having served a year in Port Charles to not return and open up the storytelling for other characters.

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    Katiebug9624

    I just don’t understand what is so great about these three actors that ABC would go all out to keep them. Don’t get me wrong I know Roger Howarth is amazing he was amazing on OLTL (not so much on ATWT my opinion) I realize GH/ABC did the same thing with Kelly Monaco, cancelled Port Charles but wanted to keep both Kelly and Michael so created new characters on different soaps but I just don’t get it.

    I hope this turns out good for everyone involved especially the actors.

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    soapy opie

    [quote=SZima]Well, if soaps can bring people back from the dead, they certainly can figure out how to have the same actors playing different roles. Or maybe basically the same roles with different names :)
    They can just pick up where they left off, using new names, and continue as if nothing happened. I’m sure they won’t be able to reference anything Llanview anymore, but so what? At this point, they are all well enough established that they don’t have to.[/quote]

    Exactly Right SZima!!

    Apparently, the PP terms were just too restrictive.

    For example: Todd, Starr & John can not appear on GH the
    same day they appear on OLTL. The scheduling would be a
    nightmare.

    This would be the quickest, cleanest solution.

    No elaborate explanations, no doppelgangers or returning
    from the dead. Just the same characters with slightly different
    names & no more references to Llanview.

    No need for the villagers to get out their pitchforks & torches!

    The audience already knows the behind-the-scenes dilemma
    & is media savvy enough to absorb the instant change.

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    lfad

    [quote=appleridge]PP had such an agreement to share Todd with GH. It seems ABC didnt want to work the logistics of that so they decided on new characters. No Blame on PP here. Kinda funny some now think ABC is all innocent. Please[/quote]

    ABC screwed over the soaps for years, they don’t deserve much benefit of the doubt imo. Yes, PP fumbled when they first tried to get AMC & OLTL off the ground, but I’m not buying that ABC is the oh so generous party and PP are the villains.

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    soapbaby

    [quote=soapy opie]The audience already knows the behind-the-scenes dilemma
    & is savvy enough to absorb the instant change.[/quote]

    A recent post in another thread by JBernardJones reminded me that not every one is plugged into the internet or follows the “behind-the-scenes” happenings of the soaps they watch on TV. An example: my friend’s 70 year-old father has watched GH since it’s premiere and doesn’t even know the actors’ names. His experience of the show is solely based on what’s on his screen. I also have family members who have similar habits.

    I do agree with you that the typical soap opera fan is savvy and familiar with change. Nothing reported here about these actors returning as different characters seems to deter long-time, committed viewers. I don’t think these actors as new characters is at all necessary but I will surely continue to watch!

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    MotownKate4Soaps

    This is unfortunate. However, stranger things have happened like making Claudia Johnny’s mother even though the actors are only a couple years apart in age in real life.

    Possible scenarios for Kristen Alderson: Make her Cassandra, the girl at Windemere that is thought to be killed. Or make her Abby’s little sister. (I worry about Michael and him losing yet another love at such a young age.)

    Possible scenarios for Roger Howarth: Make him Paul Ryan (to appease the seemingly forgotten soap, ATWT, that was canceled just before AMC and OLTL.) Since it seems Johnny’s on the way out via BB quitting the show, the Zacharras will no longer be in PC to be one of the villainous families. Bring in Colleen Zenk a few times to make family connections and have James Stenbeck go toe to toe with Helena or the evil Britt’s mother.

    Possible scenario for Michael Easton: Make him evil Britt’s brother. I called Dr. Olbrecht as Britt’s mother based on physical appearance, Michael Easton has similar sharp eyes like the other two.
    Or make him Caleb again.

    Since Todd will potentially be off the canvas for GH, then Crimson and that paper will be without a leader. I see Lucy taking over in some way since Kate/Connie are gone for a while. Another possible candidate, though weaker, would be Brenda. I don’t know who else would be good for the job.

    Rick Springfield’s (Noah Drake) son will be on the show soon and possibly a replacement for John McBain on the PCPD.

    Don’t know what to say about the Haunted Star but fantasy would be maybe to have Nikolas take over with Brenda as a host.

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    sunsetmissions

    I’m not sure how to start a new conversation, so I just hit reply on the first one.

    Are Starr, Todd and John going to be mentioned on GH or are they just goint to fade away as if they never existed, like Amy Vining did?

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    giogio

    If everyone remembers correctly PP and ABC are both villains. I wonder about these reboots. They pissed so many of the actors off when they called the first roboot off that there are alot of missing people. Im not praising ABC but I certainly dont think PP is “all innocent” either. I am really happy for everyone that is involved and I will watch, but I also wont hold my breath.
    SOAPBABY, you are right about older people. Cause If I dont tell my mother that Star, John and Todd will all be on GH as different characters, that will knock her for a loop. And as I always say, there are older people watching in nursing homes that dont even know what a computer looks like to get all this scoop. There will be alot of people scratching their heads. This is all so stupid.

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    GHFan777

    Since people want Sam with John because of their awesome chemistry…why not recast the role of Jason with ME? Todd could be Tom Hardy Jr., and they could bring back Simone, and cast a son for them. Put a Hardy back on the canvas, and re-create a role that would be totally different for RH. We actually could use a few more doctors on this hospital show.

    Leave KA in Llanview….We don’t need her. She never really gelled.

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    giogio

    GHFan, good idea, but KA dosent want to do Llanview. She wasnt signing up in the first place. But if this craziness has to happen, I do love the idea of John as Jason. Bring that one on.

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    liason4real

    [quote=soapbaby]I know it’s not okay to critique the soaps’ “Lords and Saviors” over here at Daytime Confidential, Frank Valentini & Ron Carvialti, but I question the sanity of anyone going to the length of creating a new character to ensure Kristen Alderson remains on my television screen. ;-)

    I have to admit seeing Lucy, Scotty, Laura, Anna, Duke, Felicia and Frisco plus a returning Bobbie and Nikolas helps make GH ‘feel’ like GH to me. I have not been against OLTL characters joining GH (and have enjoyed Easton & Howarth, Alderson not at all) but with such a large cast of characters, I am fine with the actors/charcters having served a year in Port Charles to not return and open up the storytelling for other characters.[/quote]

    ————————–
    Just for shits and grins, some of the actors that play the characters mentioned in your post should try out for the roles of Todd, John and Starr. ;)

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    ALinMass

    I just don’t understand why Prospect Park is trying so hard to get these 3 characters. They never had a chance of getting the 3 actors to come on OLTL permanently; what actor in their right mind would leave a network show for an internet show? OLTL will only be 30 minutes now and it looks like they got back a sufficient number and good mix of the show’s past actors so it’s not like they really need them. If they were smart, they would have just worked out a deal to have the actors cross over to launch OLTL for a month or two, give their OLTL stories a final resolution, and then go back to GH permanently.

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    sunsetmissions

    I probably should have used the quote button. I don’t remember who said this now.

    I agree with everything you said except for Starr; I love Starr, she’s one of the very few people we actually saw grow up right before our eyes. I LOVE all of the “oldies” coming back and god forbid the writers keep them on. I’d be ok if it were JUST Robert and Frisco that stayed, the others would be nice, but I want those two for sure.

    By the way, I guess the article is wrong. Todd IS coming back to GH as Todd

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    JasamForever

    Why are they needed to come back to gh. >)
    I really was hoping me, ka, rh were gone from the show for good. Fv is really showing where his loyalty lies by allowing his oltl pets back on the show by any means necessary. I wish he would fight that hard for the gh family. In my opinion, this is a terrible decision.

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    john2124

    Claps for J Bernard
    I wonder if some of you are GH fans. Let’s try saying one nice thing a day then what you didn’t like. I never seen so much hate for characters and seemingly KA. I hope that they work this out. I love both shows. Shaking my head.

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    Cornfed

    @days4ever — i about spit out my lunch reading your post, and as a long suffering Days fan you’ve probably seen WORSE than Kristen Alderson (Camilla Banus would be a good start right?) :party: ROTF this thread makes for an entertaining lunch break most def!

    I say if — and only IF — we have to suffer thru KA, i say make her a recast Serena?? Don’t make all 3 of these new characters!

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    soapbaby

    [quote=liason4real]Just for shits and grins, some of the actors that play the characters mentioned in your post should try out for the roles of Todd, John and Starr. ;)[/quote]

    ^^LMAO! liason4real, I know you were an OLTL fan, I can’t remember what you thought of Todd, John and Starr being in Port Charles?

    Also, I don’t think OLTL will lose out too much with the exception of Todd Manning. Since Roger Howarth will be doing a brief stint of OLTL when it goes online perhaps he will wrap things up with the character. I’d prefer to have Trevor St. John back as Victor Jr.

    Starr and John could be written out altogether or the roles recasted for the reboot.

    I’m sure both ABC and PP will be just fine and roll with the punches.

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    FloridaDreamin

    [quote=MotownKate4Soaps]This is unfortunate. However, stranger things have happened like making Claudia Johnny’s mother even though the actors are only a couple years apart in age in real life.

    Possible scenarios for Kristen Alderson: Make her Cassandra, the girl at Windemere that is thought to be killed. Or make her Abby’s little sister. (I worry about Michael and him losing yet another love at such a young age.)

    Possible scenarios for Roger Howarth: Make him Paul Ryan (to appease the seemingly forgotten soap, ATWT, that was canceled just before AMC and OLTL.) Since it seems Johnny’s on the way out via BB quitting the show, the Zacharras will no longer be in PC to be one of the villainous families. Bring in Colleen Zenk a few times to make family connections and have James Stenbeck go toe to toe with Helena or the evil Britt’s mother.

    Possible scenario for Michael Easton: Make him evil Britt’s brother. I called Dr. Olbrecht as Britt’s mother based on physical appearance, Michael Easton has similar sharp eyes like the other two.
    Or make him Caleb again.

    I LOVE the idea of KA of Abby’s little sister…that would be a nice tie in

    I also like the idea of an ATWT tie in since I was a huge fan of that show…and yes I enjoyed RH as Paul

    I highly doubt either of those will happen, but a girl can dream…

    Since Todd will potentially be off the canvas for GH, then Crimson and that paper will be without a leader. I see Lucy taking over in some way since Kate/Connie are gone for a while. Another possible candidate, though weaker, would be Brenda. I don’t know who else would be good for the job.

    Rick Springfield’s (Noah Drake) son will be on the show soon and possibly a replacement for John McBain on the PCPD.

    Don’t know what to say about the Haunted Star but fantasy would be maybe to have Nikolas take over with Brenda as a host.[/quote]

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    Katiebug9624

    ALinMass I think they are trying so hard because Todd and Starr are rooted in OLTLs history sure the show can survive without them but at the end of the day they are OLTL characters I can see why they want those characters back as for John I never saw the appeal of him tbh I love Caleb though.

    The real question is why shouldn’t they fight for these characters? As far as I know PP paid for the use of Todd/Starr/John are at least the characters not the actors yes it would be better for everyone involved if ABC and PP could figure out a way to share them but I understand the need for PP to want the characters.

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    Ravennite613

    [quote=JasamForever]Why are they needed to come back to gh. >)
    I really was hoping me, ka, rh were gone from the show for good. Fv is really showing where his loyalty lies by allowing his oltl pets back on the show by any means necessary. I wish he would fight that hard for the gh family. In my opinion, this is a terrible decision.[/quote]

    But in reality he isn’t fighting specifically for them because of some loyalty- All three are on contract with ABC so in turn he is doing what his bosses tell him to do which is to make new characters

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    Yoryla

    Good Lord…. this is so stupid!!!

    I just cannot believe a mutual decision couldn’t be made for the three to return to GH as their current characters. I can understand them wanting the character of Todd Manning back, but are John and Starr really THIS necessary as characters to the show, that couldn’t relinquish them to GH? And now, the end result will be, all of the three will be played by new actors. How is this a WIN for PP?

    I’m glad ABC made this decision though. I don’t blame them one damn bit. If PP chooses to make things difficult, then fine, let them be difficult on their own.

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    thecourt99

    @JBJ I see your point and won’t respond to everything but we do agree on one point, we ultimately want what is best for both parties. I didn’t think that sharing the actors/characters would have worked long term. Since it won’t happen, we will never know.

    I also don’t think that PP is the bad guy. Are they aggressive? Yes. They are fighting to build something unprecedented and I appreciate that kind of passion. Just like I know that FV and RC love the genre and are willing to fight for it, I see that PP is willing to fight for what they are doing to. It would have been great if all of that passion were pointed in the same direction and they were able to work together, but it didn’t work out that way. So we can only hope that each effort is successful in its own right.

    I didn’t say that it was unreasonable for ABC to think that PP would fail after their first effort…but it was still a bet nonetheless. PP had a year to get their act together, and they did. If PP failed, ABC would get their characters back and I think that they were banking on that. I also didn’t see any malice in PP allowing ABC to use those 3 characters while they were working in the background. I think the success of those character on GH is part of what helped PP win.

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    J Bernard Jones

    thecourt99 wrote

    I never thought sharing the actors and characters benefited both parties.

    Since the Valentini/Carlivati takeover and the infusion of the three OLTL transplants, GH is up several hundred thousand viewers (+290,000 for the week fo March 21 comparing this week to the same week last year). Despite its imperfections, GH is stronger creatively, in terms of ratings and in terms of network support than it has been the last several years. Nonetheless, GH is not 100% out of the woods yet.

    Despite all the good energy, publicity and excitement around the relaunch of OLTL (and AMC, but I’ll focus on OLTL here), there is a tough row to hoe here (for both shows). OLTL which, like AMC, is launching in an untested medium for original, ongoing first run soap opera consumption — online, where a not inconsiderable number of viewers have already expressed confusion about viewing options and pricing tiers (regardless of the fact that the information has been out for months), expressed fears or uncertainty about technological hurdles, some of whom have declared that they won’t watch online period (and will only do so if both shows return to airing on television) and many of whom do not have either online access or the kinds of data plans that would allow them to watch period. Plus, there is no guarantee that GH viewers will head online to watch OLTL (or vice versa).

    So anything that helps both shows — like having three popular original actors play three popular roles from both shows — through limited crossovers certainly can’t hurt and, arguably, would have much more benefit to OLTL than GH. Prospect Park doesn’t see it that way, of course.

    First of all, as long as PP had ownership, that meant that ABC had to pay PP for continued use of the characters..and given the budget crunch mantra….I find it hard to believe that they were willing to pay up for these 3 characters…

    First of all, we don’t know how that would have shaken out had an actual agreement been made between both parties. If we take your example on face value however, ABC would have already been paying Prospect Park for re-licensing or the use of these three characters, would they not? So what would be the big deal for ABC to continue doing what they are already doing since they wanted to continue using the characters??

    What we do know is Prospect Park is licensing OLTL (and AMC) in its entirety from ABC. Whatever the cost to ABC for licensing or continuing to license Starr, Todd and John would be but a mere pittance compared to what PP is already paying ABC for the entire shows and the characters connected thereto.

    The idea here that ABC wouldn’t want to pay what they already are or could be paying doesn’t make any sense.

    Secondly, there is a story impact. Who makes the ultimate decision regarding the story for these shared characters? I find it hard to believe that the GH team would be willing to follow the direction of the PP team. Sharing is one thing, but there still has to be a final decision point.

    Since I am not acting as a reporter here take this with a grain of salt, but my sources — who in this case are pretty impeccable — said that the head writers of both GH and OLTL would have coordinated story; PP and ABC would have only provided clearances together.

    On the television level, this is not completely unprecedented: from ’66 – ’67, Guiding Light’s Mike Bauer crossed over from CBS to NBC’s Another World and then back to GL again. The networks were, as they are now, in heated competition, yet rivals CBS and NBC made it work (although it was helped along by the fact that both shows were owned by Proctor & Gamble).

    Thirdly…I am not sure how open the actors would have been to sharing. From what has been made public, I don’t think KA or ME would have ever agreed to that.

    Once again, we do not know if that is actually the case since no agreement was reached. We know for the most part that neither Howarth, Alderson nor Easton signed on to PP’s OLTL for long-term contracts when these things were first being reported. However we don’t know if any or all of them would have reprised their roles on the new OLTL in limited story arcs, guest runs or other short term appearances.

    So I don’t agree with painting PP as the bad guy here.

    I can’t speak to that, but I don’t know of anyone who has spoken of Prospect Park in a glowing light when it comes to their tactics. At best, one could say they are aggressively protecting what they see as in the best interests of their investment. Either way, there has not been a credible published report or quote (excluding rampant fan speculation) that indicates that ABC hasn’t wanted to work out a deal with PP or any credible published report or quote (excluding rampant fan speculation) that has painted PP in a positive or cooperative light in terms of these negotiations.

    Once again, this kind of behavior about licensing is not unprecedented, if certain stories are true: several years ago, there were reports/rumors that Proctor & Gamble wanted to license the characters of Mason & Julia Capwell of the long-cancelled Santa Barbara for (I believe) Guiding Light. However, New World Television owned the rights to the characters and refused, despite the fact that SB had been off the air for many years at that point.

    The GH team bet on PP to fail.

    We don’t know that. I don’t believe it especially after having heard a lot of the things I’ve heard, but that’s on me. But let’s be fair here: after PP’s first efforts to bring OLTL and AMC online so disastrously failed, if they had “bet” on that failure who would be able to honestly blame them. And it was Prospect Park who allowed the re-use of the characters on GH in the first place. So who is really zooming who?

    I admire some cockiness and arrogance, but when you lose the bet….accept the loss. They have to deal with the agreement that was in place.

    OLTL has a lot more to lose in this scenario than GH.
    Personally, I hope it all works out for the best for all parties involved.

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    js3557

    I think RH has the acting chops to pull this off. I think ME may have the acting chops if the story/character is right. I think KA is an awful actress and I don’t think she will be able to pull this off.

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    Cornfed

    Besides having KA back onscreen again (buh bye new Haunted Star co-owner LOL), the other obvious downside is HOW MUCH SCREEN TIME will be devoted to this. They already took too much time (imo) with their exits! Before you know it, this crap will eat up 6 months of time better spent on something else!

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    DisillusionedGHfan

    I think this going to hurt the GH brand in the long run. Tossing around non essential characters like they are the shows end all, be all, does nothing to help get people reacquainted with the GH they once loved.

    While I have always enjoyed RH as Todd, him NOT being Todd, with such a rich, deep and nasty past, is going to be hard to let go of. It’ll be like when Tony Geary played that Eckard guy way back when. Was never able to buy into it. Re introducing a popular actor to a soap they just finished playing another as, is going to be a monumental task!

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    mrsa1107

    J BERNARD JONES= I know the character/actress isnt on the current GH canvas BUT how does this impact the role of SKYE? WIll we never hear or see her ever again on GH— beacuse I would assume teh role is owned by All My Children.
    I remember reading back in the day – that Chuck Pratt wanted Jamie L as a recast of Skye but FRons had to step in and stop that from happening cause Robin was on all three shows. So then Pratt just cast her as a 15 year younger, red haired version of Liza who went to law school on the run………….. then we wonder why AMC tanked? Stupid s$*T like that

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    1titanman

    This is so stewpid! Does Prospect Park not relize they’re shooting themself in the foot here.

    Both shows haven’t aired, and with these three they could create many crossovers and promotions for the brand.
    Once again PP doesn’t understand the soap opera niche that been in business for 6 decades or more.

    Here to Ron & Frank for still making it all work when the douchebag continue to hold the fans hostage for their own insipid ideas-

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    curacaoman

    Michael Easton as Roger Barrington, media magnate who buys Manning Enterprises and is uncle to Rafe.
    Roger Howarth as Mike Webber, adopted son of Rick Webber and adopted brother of Laura.

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    J Bernard Jones

    mrsa1107 wrote

    J BERNARD JONES= I know the character/actress isn’t on the current GH canvas BUT how does this impact the role of SKYE? Will we never hear or see her ever again on GH— because I would assume the role is owned by All My Children.

    I do not know.

    I pointed out in twisty post of string theory in another thread that AMC’s 5 year jump in the future effectively destroys the shared universe between GH, OLTL and AMC.

    Who knows where Skye stands as a character or the future history of the shows moving forward? At this point, it is conceivable that GH could kill off Skye in Port Charles’ 2013, but she could be alive and well on AMC in Pine Valley’s 2018. Skye (and Rae, for that matter) are big question marks.

    For now, I’m going with the idea that the ABC and Prospect Park have two separate soap universes: in the ABC soap universe, the Llanview and Pine Valley of OLTL and AMC still exist but ABC’s version of “All My Children” and “One Life to Live” no longer air yet life goes on. This is what we’ve seen play out on GH this past year.

    In the Prospect Park universe, One Life to Live and All My Children are two new shows that are parallels to the ones that aired on ABC, that have characters and even stories that mirrored the old history but have branched off into new time lines (especially AMC, which jumps ahead 5 years) not related to the show General Hospital that airs on ABC. Presumably, there is a city called Port Charles in the Prospect Park universe.

    I’m still a little bit baffled why few people discuss the implications of AMCs 5 year jump, but maybe it’s too much for folks to handle. But these shows are no longer related.

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    sassysdreams

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]Exactly right. Everything I’m hearing from, shall we say, extremely reliable sources, Prospect Park — not the , er, nicest folk to play with on the playground — is indeed the culprit here, not ABC who wanted to share the actors & characters for the benefit of both parties.[/quote]

    Thank you J. Bernard Jones!

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    Jeff

    I’m sorry, this just seems insane. Easton and Alderson are really no big deal, and they should just be let go. And, it seemed liked Howarth was going to be able to come back to GH as Todd. GH should have cut their losses and just let them go. Sam has a lot of options that don’t involve Easton as any character, as could Michael. Such nonsense. Very disappointed with GH moving in this direction. That would have freed up a lot of budget for vets having a lot more screen time that fans really care about.

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    nysam

    @ladyofthelake….I agree with you asking “Makes you wonder if they would fight this hard for any GH actor.”

    Why does Cartoony think Howarth, Alderson and Easton are so important to the success of GH? Stop screwing GH up to accommodate these “pets”. It has been proven since the beginning of time that characters are who fans follow and not actors. Look at George Reinholdt, Jackie Courtney, Genie Franice, Stephen Nichols, Sarah Brown, Vincent Irizzary, Mary Beth Evans, Howarth (from OLTL to ATWT). All of the previous names were huge stars in their original soap roles. When they moved to other soaps as new characters the magic never came back.

    Why didn’t ABC and Cartoony fight to save Brandon Barash? Steve Burton? Why haven’t they allowed Jason Thompson to drive story? Why does Becky Herbst continue to play a supporting role to newbies Felix, Sabrina & Britt? Now we are going to get 3 other new characters in the new roles for KA, RH & ME?

    Why not cut your losses and let the OLTL transplants go and put Lynn Herring and Kin Shriner on contract? Bring Carly Shroeder back as Serena and cast her sister Christina? If 3 new characters are going to come on the canvas then tie them to existing characters and bring in new actors. DON’T confuse the audience by having Alderson, Howarth & Easton play new roles and yet they look exactly the same with no explanation why they look the same. We never had any explanation on why Caleb and John looked the same. So now we are going to have it again.

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    appleridge

    ABC should have only signed them to one year deals to begin with. ABC mucked this up & like everything else is skirting the blame and uses PP because they know fans are skeptical due to the first try not working. Not buying aBC. Sit & spin my friend ughhh

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    mr.marcky

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]
    Three familiar faces are heading back to General Hospital. However, they reportedly won't be playing the same characters they portrayed the last time you saw them! TV Guide Magazine's Michael Logan is reporting Michael Easton, Kristen Alderson and Roger Howarth will all be playing new characters when they return to General Hospital!

    While Howarth was initially set to reprise the role of Todd Manning on GH—after briefly returning to One Life to Live for that sudser's relaunch—the brass at GH has reportedly opted to sever ties with Prospect Park, by creating an all-new role for him. Easton and Alderson, who didn't make deals to reprise John and Starr on the new OLTL, will also play new characters on GH

    From the article:

    "Prospect Park has been extremely difficult to deal with on this issue so GH basically said, 'Screw it! We'll create all new characters!'" notes one source privy to the situation. "It's the only way GH can get past the problem and get on with business."

    Photo of Michael Easton by ABC Daytime[/quote]

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    missmuffett41

    I think Prospect Park is a winner in this whole mess. They are getting a lot of free publicity from the soap press and main stream media. People who never watched an episode of OLTL or GH might just tune in to see what all the uproar is all about.

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    giogio

    Appleridge, I dont understand what you mean when you blame ABC only. I do repeat I am not totally trusing them but how can pp be so flawless. What am I missing?

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    appleridge

    My point is that ABC went to PP and asked to borrow the characters. They knew PP had a year to get this going & if they did the characters would have to be written out of GH. The actors knew that too.

    So why did ABC sign these actors to THREE year deals. They were putting the cart before the horse.

    Now that PP has the shows ready to go, ABC doesnt want to compromise. They blocked talks between PP & ME/KA. RH got his deal cause he only inked one year with ABC and it was due to expire. ABC wanted to keep RH so they didnt block his PP talks. PP & RH came to an agreement where he films 4 weeks only.

    Given How OLTL films that could mean RH may appear in up to 4o episodes and 10 weeks of OLTL

    ABC couldnt learn to share thru mid july on screen and that would be it. IMHO I feel thats the kind of deal PP wanted with KA & ME but now we will never know.

    This is all on ABC

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    nysam

    Before fingers are pointed at Prospect Park in blame let’s remember that over the past decade ABC systematically destroyed their daypart….PORT CHARLES, ALL MY CHILDREN, ONE LIFE TO LIVE ane even GH. They recycled bad writers, employed the same EPs that drove other shows into the ground and allowed network execs to manage our soaps who had only passion for their paychecks and not the genre.

    Kudos to Prospect Park for fighting the fight to reinvent and reboot the genre. If ABC had managed the shows properly in the first place we wouldn’t even be having this discussion about Prospect Park right now. All of them would still be on the air! ABC is the Helena/Faison/Frank Smith role in this drama. Not Prospcect Park. They are the good guys.

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    liason4real

    [quote=soapbaby][quote=liason4real]Just for shits and grins, some of the actors that play the characters mentioned in your post should try out for the roles of Todd, John and Starr. ;)[/quote]

    ^^LMAO! liason4real, I know you were an OLTL fan, I can’t remember what you thought of Todd, John and Starr being in Port Charles?

    Also, I don’t think OLTL will lose out too much with the exception of Todd Manning. Since Roger Howarth will be doing a brief stint of OLTL when it goes online perhaps he will wrap things up with the character. I’d prefer to have Trevor St. John back as Victor Jr.

    Starr and John could be written out altogether or the roles recasted for the reboot.

    I’m sure both ABC and PP will be just fine and roll with the punches.[/quote]
    =======
    I did not mind the OLTL characters at first, but Starr has gotten on my nerves the last few months, Todd is basically David Vickers in disguise, and John has his funny moments at times.

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    bj

    That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Their characters just left. How can we look at them as anyone except the OLTL characters especially when they spent so much time ramming their history down our throats. What’s so fantastic about these three that we have to have them worked back into our storylines again? And which GH characters will we lose because of it?

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    Ravennite613

    [quote=appleridge]Now that PP has the shows ready to go, ABC doesnt want to compromise. They blocked talks between PP & ME/KA. RH got his deal cause he only inked one year with ABC and it was due to expire. ABC wanted to keep RH so they didnt block his PP talks. PP & RH came to an agreement where he films 4 weeks only.[/quote]

    From various reports Roger signed a long-term contract with ABC, he went to the re-boot on his own accord. Maybe ABC was hoping it would be an olive branch to PP

    And from what all reports have said even from the horse mouth Michael Easton never wanted to do the re-boot so why blame ABC.

    There are three sides to this story and as long as I keep ME, RH & KA (no matter what they call them) I am happy

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    Katiebug9624

    So hold up according to EW John/Michael and Star/Kristen wont even film one single episode at OLTL?

    EW really makes it sound like ABC wouldn’t budge….as usual the soap behind the soap is much more interesting than the actual soap.

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    Cornfed

    OMG i love you nysam! All my faves soapbaby, yorla, tealita, swanqueen, all of you dead-on correct in your astute observations, and funny as ever! :) I really can’t add anything to these brilliant posts, tho i don’t think i’ve seen tealita today? :(

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    Daniel St. John

    So we are going to be seeing scoundrel media mogul Rod Banning and his plucky daughter Shar plus brooding lawman Jack McShane all showing up in PC pretty soon?
    Will all flashbacks have the characters names retroactively altered to the new character names?
    Will there be mentions of Shar’s dead baby daddy Joel and daughter Faith? Or Rod’s ex-wives Claire and Rea?

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    RockiDreams

    They should all just save themselves time and money and get rid of the characters and actors all together. If they are going to make new characters then hire fresh faces. I was really hoping those three would be gone forever especially McBain. At the very least, if they “reinvent” him, cut his damn hair.

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    snizzle

    If RC/FV had to have these 3 actors from OLTL I don’t understand why they didn’t initially introduce them as new characters instead of bringing over Todd, John, and Starr. It would’ve been so easy to bring over Caleb and then just introduce Todd and Starr as new characters. It never made sense they would all just up and leave Llanview anyway since they had so many roots there.

    When BB hired Don Diamont they made him a new character a few months after leaving YR so it can be done very successfully. Now it’s just going to be strange to see KA, ME and RH in new roles not to mention all the wasted time to re-introduce them yet again.

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    nysam

    If Todd, Starr & John were so valuable to ABC in the first place then why didn’t they keep OLTL? They could have kept them right where they belonged on OLTL on ABC. By canceling the show they basically acknowledged the show and its characters weren’t of value to the them. How many stories did we read about ABC wanting out of the soap business? Even on this website. Now we are supposed to rally around ABC and act like they are the victim?

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    mfarris70

    Thanks, for the backup, FoxyMegan! Not saying everyone has to love everything on GH but as fans we should at least let it playing before blowing up the keyboards!

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    J Bernard Jones

    appleridge wrote

    Now that PP has the shows ready to go, ABC doesnt want to compromise.

    This assertion is 100% contrary to every single bit of reporting on this issue, both published and behind the scenes. Until today, that is….

    They blocked talks between PP & ME/KA. RH got his deal cause he only inked one year with ABC and it was due to expire. ABC wanted to keep RH so they didnt block his PP talks.

    And we know this how? The EW story does not corroborate any of these specific assertions made. There is this paragraph from the EW story, though:

    Prospect tried to work out a deal to share the characters, to no avail. According to one high-level executive familiar with the negotiations, Prospect only needed Alderson to work one week on OLTL and then she could return to GH. It wanted Easton for up to four weeks before he would be free to return to Port Charles, as well….As it stands, Prospect can’t even use the original websites for OLTL and AMC because ABC hasn’t released them. (Anyone who tries to access them is immediately sent to ABC’s daytime hub).

    From every single source I’ve read and given the high amount of chatter on this, PP has played (extremely hard) hardball from the very start of these negotiations. If ABC is doing anything, its pushback which doesn’t necessarily mean it’s their “fault” here. I don’t dispute the EW piece, but it does read like “Prospect Park’s Side of the Story,” doesn’t it? (That $8.5 million figure is rather specific, isn’t it?….)

    ABC couldnt learn to share thru mid july on screen and that would be it. IMHO I feel thats the kind of deal PP wanted with KA & ME but now we will never know.

    So…this is how you feel….and we’ll never know….but it is stated definitely this is all ABC’s “fault”?? Really??

    Ravennite wrote

    And from what all reports have said even from the horse mouth Michael Easton never wanted to do the re-boot so why blame ABC.

    Agreed. PP has the rights to the character of John McBain. ABC has the contract with Michael Easton. Since Easton wasn’t interested and if PP recasts the role, it is what the situation is. Howarth has returned to OLTL and is shooting and will be back on GH in a new role. That leaves Alderson, who also didn’t want to return. Since Alderson and Easton didn’t want to be a part of the online reboot, how is it ABC”s “fault”? Wouldn’t Prospect Park still be in the same position of having to recast?

    nysam wrote

    If Todd, Starr & John were so valuable to ABC in the first place then why didn’t they keep OLTL? They could have kept them right where they belonged on OLTL on ABC.

    OLTL (and AMC) costs about $35-$45 million per year to produce. Arguing that ABC should have kept a show it did not feel had long term financial value for the network for the sake of three characters just to prove a point here….makes no sense.

    By canceling the show they basically acknowledged the show and its characters weren’t of value to the them.

    Given that licensing deals of cancelled properties is very common and given that ABC is going to make $8.5 million plus profits a year off these shows by letting another company do the heavy lifting on its own platforms as opposed to spending $70-$90 million a year producing these shows means there is some value to be had by giving them the ax after all.

    How many stories did we read about ABC wanting out of the soap business? Even on this website.

    Of course. They did. That was then. Like NBC and CBS, they have shed multiple shows they felt were weighing down their dayparts. Despite everything, NBC chugs along with its one soap, CBS with its two soaps (that happen to be international hits through syndication) and ABC now has one as well. They have all had mixed success, but they are where they are where they want to be in terms of the soap game. As far as ABC is concerned, GH is up creatively, in terms of ratings, production and (from all accounts) fiscally sound; it enjoys the support of the network NOW as the show marches toward its 50th anniversary.

    In other words, things change.

    Now we are supposed to rally around ABC and act like they are the victim?

    No, not victim. But solely blaming ABC or Prospect Park for a situation in which they are both participants with plenty of lawyers handling complex negotiations isn’t exactly kosher, either.

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    liason4real

    I know this is serious business for everyone involved in the current ABC/GH & PP drama, but it makes me LMAO that the Disney peeps are probably sick and tired of us soap opera fans. ;)

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    liason4real

    As far as ABC is concerned, GH is up creatively, in terms of ratings, production and (from all accounts) fiscally sound; it enjoys the support of the network NOW as the show marches toward its 50th anniversary.
    =======
    OLTL was in pretty good shape and ABC/Disney had no problem kicking them to the curb. :((

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    J Bernard Jones

    OLTL was in pretty good shape and ABC/Disney had no problem kicking them to the curb.

    If memory serves, OLTL’s ratings went up after they got the boot and Valentini/Carlivati started pulling out all the stops to bring the show to a close, which attracted more viewers. It was one of the bigger ironies of the cancellation. Even more ironic: AMC was the marquee show for the network due to La Lucci/Erica Kane and the network high hopes for Cameron Mathison (although its lowest rated), while OLTL was for years and up to cancellation considered its also-ran redheaded stepchild….

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    robertscorpio

    [quote=nysam]JBernardJones do you get paid weekly or every other week by ABC?[/quote]

    If they do pay him, then bravo ABC because you definitely have an asset in JBJ.

    At this point, there no reason to play the blame game. What’s done is done. I’m actually hesitant about bringing all three back as new characters. One could be manageable but all three… I hope they do go in the direction as someone in an earlier post pointed out, of bringing them back as already established GH characters.

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    Katiebug9624

    It seems to me that ABC really wanted to keep Roger, Kristen and Michael around GH not so much the characters of Todd, Starr and John.

    Now OLTL can recast if they want to.

    IMO it will be harder to bring back Roger, Kristen and Michael as new characters than it will be to recast the characters they played on OLTL even the character of Todd.

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    TV Gord

    I don’t see why OLTL can’t bring back Trevor St John as Victor and then Roger Howarth can go back to GH as Todd. Then BOTH shows will have their “Todd”-like character.

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    brettyboy

    [quote=nysam]If Todd, Starr & John were so valuable to ABC in the first place then why didn’t they keep OLTL? They could have kept them right where they belonged on OLTL on ABC. By canceling the show they basically acknowledged the show and its characters weren’t of value to the them. How many stories did we read about ABC wanting out of the soap business? Even on this website. Now we are supposed to rally around ABC and act like they are the victim?[/quote]

    I don’t think the actors owe Prospect Park a damn thing, however I do agree that ABC are not the victims here by any stretch of the imagination and I still think GH is far from safe.

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    twen_angst

    this is terrible all round. it will wreak havoc with GH’s direction (though we might finally see RH without the scar) to have to integrate three characters we know nothing about into the plot (unless they use them as recasts for old characters – but, seriously, are there any characters from the past that we really need? they’ve all come back anyway!). if they come back as similar characters, the fans would immediately smell the carbon copy (in fact, some “fans” will cry “carbon copy” even if they aren’t); and as to the OLTL re-boot, how can they recast two beloved characters (starr’s main function is to be todd’s conscience, so i’m not counting her), one of which middle-aged women swoon over and with the other being so heavily characterised they’d either have to get an impersonator, which the OLTL fans wouldn’t accept and wouldn’t work in the long run anyway, or someone who’s so different that it might as well be another character altogether (and as to casting trevor st. john (provided he would do it, which by all accounts he doesn’t want to) – wouldn’t the audience then have to buy that he’s not victor anymore, but todd again?

    it’s a mess, and nobody wins

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    soapbaby

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]@soapbaby — i can swallow your love of RH much easier knowing you prefer TSj as Victor — a no-brainer imo! :)[/quote]

    I LOVE Trevor St. John! I thought he was woefully underrated. The OLTL episode in which Todd was executed for the murder of Margaret Cochran is one of my all time favorite moments in soaps. TSJ did “Judith Light as Karen Wolek On The Witness Stand-level” acting in that episode.

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    twen_angst

    this is terrible all round. it will wreak havoc with GH’s direction (though we might finally see RH without the scar) to have to integrate three characters we know nothing about into the plot (unless they use them as recasts for old characters – but, seriously, are there any characters from the past that we really need? they’ve all come back anyway!). if they come back as similar characters, the fans would immediately smell the carbon copy (in fact, some “fans” will cry “carbon copy” even if they aren’t); and as to the OLTL re-boot, how can they recast two beloved characters (starr’s main function is to be todd’s conscience, so i’m not counting her), one of which middle-aged women swoon over and with the other being so heavily characterised they’d either have to get an impersonator, which the OLTL fans wouldn’t accept and wouldn’t work in the long run anyway, or someone who’s so different that it might as well be another character altogether (and as to casting trevor st. john (provided he would do it, which by all accounts he doesn’t want to) – wouldn’t the audience then have to buy that he’s not victor anymore, but todd again?

    it’s a mess, and there are only losers here.

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    TV Gord

    That’s true, Katiebug, but I think they put Roger’s name in among the list of contract players returning to OLTL so they could switch him out for TSJ, because it’s pretty widely reported that RH is going back to GH. I think TSJ is going to be the first big reveal on the new OLTL.

    There is a chance TSJ doesn’t want to do the lower-paying internet soaps, which is why none of the three actors in question want to go back there, either, I believe.

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    soapbaby

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]Besides having KA back onscreen again…the other obvious downside is HOW MUCH SCREEN TIME will be devoted to this. They already took too much time (imo) with their exits! Before you know it, this crap will eat up 6 months of time better spent on something else![/quote]

    ^^ This is my concern too IOWAHAWKEYE.

    Thank you for the shout-out in your post #134. I always enjoy reading your thoughtful and good-natured posts.

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    Cornfed

    @TVGord — TSJ = Filet Mignon. RH= Hamburger. Can we do a reversal of your proposal? :)

    You only get one guess who i’d rather see in the buff every day ;) TSJ was like Brando to me, very internal and NO MUGGING to be found. RH, i see the blood vessels bursting each time he tries to cry :tired:

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    J Bernard Jones

    robertscorpio wrote

    If they do pay him, then bravo ABC because you definitely have an asset in JBJ.

    I don’t know how anyone is interpreting my remarks as defending ABC or that I’m being “paid” by them (I am not, though if someone wants to send me a paycheck, let’s negotiate!), but I’ve been on the record for several years both officially at DC and in my comments on these and other boards as being a fan of Valentini/Carlivati (not a blind one). With this situation, I have said very explicitly that I personally don’t “blame” EITHER ABC nor Prospect Park and that what has been reported has been that Prospect Park has been very aggressive, according to some overly so. Even where some folks I have spoken to personally who have had direct dealings with Prospect Park have been very critical, I still have not taken a “side” publicly or even privately.

    By whatever logic one derives that I must be on ABC”s payroll because I make a good faith effort to be relatively objective about the ABC/PP situation — my personal opinion is they should have shared the characters on a limited, as needed basis — one must also derive the conclusion that whoever is “blaming” ABC for what’s going on must be on Prospect Park’s payroll as well. What’s good for the goose…

    I prefer to see how this plays out on screen before making a judgement about whether or not this is a good or bad idea. As for the behind the scenes shenanigans — once again, as if it were not clear enough the first time I said it — I want the best outcomes for all parties involved, for the sake of the actors, the network, the production company, the writers, producers, directors and the fans.

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    twen_angst

    also, they’d have to get a huge name as a todd recast – and where are they going to get someone big enough to do todd (never mind talented enough) who is also unemployed and won’t mind doing an online series for a pittance

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    TV Gord

    JBJ, rock on! I can’t possibly respond to each of your points, but I haven’t read anything from you with which I don’t agree. So, rock on… :-)

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    elbugten

    I really don’t see why this is necessary. KA grew up as Starr. She should play Starr on OLTL. She just doesn’t work on GH and I can’t picture her as another character. She has NO chemistry with Michael, and with the exception of the guy who played James Ford, hasn’t had chemistry with ANY of her leading men (sorry SOLE fans)! Todd and Carly is just a retread of Todd & Blair who are the OLTL end game. I think ME has great chemistry with KeMo, but he’s already played 2 characters here. Who’s next, Tanner Schofield (his DAYS character)? Besides he and Natalie have some unfinished OLTL business and I REALLY wanted to see Clint and Roxie slap the brooding out of him for doing their Natty wrong! Not to mention a Natalie/Sam catfight.

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    dsmwmn

    This whole thing has been a big mess! Is PP that controlling and intent on having 3 measly characters that they won’t compromise? It sounds like they tried to make another take it or leave it type deal and this time it backfired.

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    face90210

    Seriously?! That is the worst idea evaH! The writng is finally getting good again after so many years. Great that the writers are honoring GH’s history with all the returning characters. I am now watching again everyday after years of skipping a lot of episodes every week. But if they do this character switch…I am tuning out again! Horrible & stupid idea! Should have never brought OLTL characters to GH to begin with.

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    Islandof1

    [quote=TV Gord]Okay, it’s “worst idea ever”. Not worse.[/quote]

    TV Gord – just trying to save “worst” in case it turns out to be a really, really bad mess. More so then we know now. We know PP wanted to share these characters with GH but have no idea what storylines PP had lined up for them. Nor do we know what GH has planned for them as new characters. I just do not trust either PP or ABC.

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    tessamg

    Lordy, Lordy! Please let this be an empty threat. Redux Easton as Caleb or Father Michael or the Man in the Moon, I don’t care. He’s far more interesting on GH. But let the other two go. RH can’t be anyone else in my mind and while I’d be sorry to see him go, its what good for GH. Those producers need to put the best interests of GH above the best interests of their pet actors.

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    SwanQueen59

    [quote=tealita][quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]OMG i love you nysam! All my faves soapbaby, yorla, tealita, swanqueen, all of you dead-on correct in your astute observations, and funny as ever! :) I really can’t add anything to these brilliant posts, tho i don’t think i’ve seen tealita today? :([/quote]

    I tried to peak this thread earlier, but I got sidetracked….

    In a post earlier, Liason mentioned the vets who might have benefited by some of the GH3’s contract money being made available to them. I won’t brood about that. Most of the vets visits would be short term no matter what. I am still concerned about GH’s regular contract players who might be on the bubble such as JT, DZ, and BA. I want them to stay. But again, why react to something before it happens?

    Tealita: I attended the DZ/JT gathering in Syracuse, NY on March 9, 2013. Both gentlemen recently signed one year contracts. I am not sure about BA, although I do know that his contract was scheduled to be up this coming May… 0:)

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    tealita

    Swan–Thank you, Swan. Uncle Vinnie’s Comedy club is right up the road from me, but I have yet to go. I’m gonna try to make it to one this year. :)

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    robertscorpio

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]

    robertscorpio wrote

    If they do pay him, then bravo ABC because you definitely have an asset in JBJ.

    I don’t know how anyone is interpreting my remarks as defending ABC or that I’m being “paid” by them (I am not, though if someone wants to send me a paycheck, let’s negotiate!), but I’ve been on the record for several years both officially at DC and in my comments on these and other boards as being a fan of Valentini/Carlivati (not a blind one). With this situation, I have said very explicitly that I personally don’t “blame” EITHER ABC nor Prospect Park and that what has been reported has been that Prospect Park has been very aggressive, according to some overly so. Even where some folks I have spoken to personally who have had direct dealings with Prospect Park have been very critical, I still have not taken a “side” publicly or even privately.

    By whatever logic one derives that I must be on ABC”s payroll because I make a good faith effort to be relatively objective about the ABC/PP situation — my personal opinion is they should have shared the characters on a limited, as needed basis — one must also derive the conclusion that whoever is “blaming” ABC for what’s going on must be on Prospect Park’s payroll as well. What’s good for the goose…

    I prefer to see how this plays out on screen before making a judgement about whether or not this is a good or bad idea. As for the behind the scenes shenanigans — once again, as if it were not clear enough the first time I said it — I want the best outcomes for all parties involved, for the sake of the actors, the network, the production company, the writers, producers, directors and the fans.[/quote]

    @JBJ- That comment was actually in your favor. I actually get the points you are making. My comment about you being an asset to ABC is because you are not trying to paint them as the big bad wolf in this situation as some others are. I don’t think you are defending them, I think you are just giving an objective view on this situation.

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    raakuu

    [quote=twen_angst] (and as to casting trevor st. john (provided he would do it, which by all accounts he doesn’t want to) – wouldn’t the audience then have to buy that he’s not victor anymore, but todd again?

    it’s a mess, and nobody wins[/quote]

    I heard that the first time the PP reboot was going to happen before it was postponed that Trevor was going to do the reboot which is why he came back on the last episode of OLTL on ABC. Trevor could come back as Victor. The LLandview Hospital security is horrible so PP could make it where the DNA tests were wrong and that RH is actually Victor and TSJ is Todd. How many paternity changes did Rex and Jessica have over the years on OLTL.

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    pjc722

    I agree, MECASEY… I have never seen a bigger bunch of sensitive fans than those here on GH!

    I agree with you that it’s the worst IDEA ever!! Not in the whole wide world but in the soap realm, YES! Alderson is not my favorite actress solely because she doesn’t (TO ME) bring a range to her performance. SHe was much better as a little child actor who would be CUTE when doing mini Todd acts. As an adult, she’s dull.

    Roger… I can give or take him any day. He was good as Paul on ATWT after OLTL but as new Todd on GH he never won me over.

    As for Easton… I could hold out on him because for some reason, even though ON ALL THE SOAPS HE HAS BEEN ON he acts the same exact way, he always makes me think of someone else.

    And why this regime insists on bringing them back when they have a full cast… HELLO, MAURICE BERNARD NEEDS A STORY… to work with is beyond me.

    (But I won’t go into my NEGATIVITY in case I make one of the Pollyanna’s upset that they are forced to be negative themselves against me. oh my)

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    pjc722

    It amazes me that certain people on here are NOT saying this is all PROSPECT PARKS fault and that they are the bad ones in this battle!

    PEOPLE, Prospect Park is spending well over 30 million dollars to bring back 2 soaps that ALL OF YOU WERE PISSED THAT ABC CANCELED! ABC didn’t want to spend the money on the programs so they canceled them and then hired Katie Couric for 80 million bucks just to start her show (production and her salary mind you).

    SO if any of us should be mad at anyone it’s ABC! Remember, too, PP did not have to loan out TOdd, Starr and John to GH. Carvaletti and Cartoony wanted them because it gave them the ratings boost that GH needed to be viable.

    Everyone got what they wanted in the end. SO stop casting blame and realize that we all win here because we get SOBrina pining over Patrick and OLTL & AMC back to watch!!

    YIPPEEE

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    tealita

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]OMG i love you nysam! All my faves soapbaby, yorla, tealita, swanqueen, all of you dead-on correct in your astute observations, and funny as ever! :) I really can’t add anything to these brilliant posts, tho i don’t think i’ve seen tealita today? :([/quote]

    I tried to peak this thread earlier, but I got sidetracked. Regardless of whether I am really OK with this (it’s Starr that I don’t want), I think I just want to move on. If I don’t, I’ll keep the same tunnel vision I have now.

    I love ME, so I’m thrilled to have him back in any capacity. I was fine with RH most of the time, but in the last month his silliness got under my skin. Maybe Carlivati can fix that when RH returns.

    In a post earlier, Liason mentioned the vets who might have benefited by some of the GH3’s contract money being made available to them. I won’t brood about that. Most of the vets visits would be short term no matter what. I am still concerned about GH’s regular contract players who might be on the bubble such as JT, DZ, and BA. I want them to stay. But again, why react to something before it happens?

    Edited.

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    J Bernard Jones

    robertscorpio wrote

    @JBJ- That comment was actually in your favor. I actually get the points you are making. My comment about you being an asset to ABC is because you are not trying to paint them as the big bad wolf in this situation as some others are. I don’t think you are defending them, I think you are just giving an objective view on this situation.

    My apologies, because I didn’t make clear that I took your comment to be just what you said above! Thank you, robertscorpio. I should have been more clear that was not directed at you.

    I was responding more to the general idea that if one isn’t jumping down PP’s throat, one must therefore be a shill for ABC while — conversely — if one is jumping down ABC’s throat, they can’t possibly be a shill for Prospect Park. LOL

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    pjc722

    [quote=CCFLASH850]HOW ABOUT THEY TAKE A QUE FROM “DALLAS” THIS PAST YEAR HAS ALL BEEN A DREAM STARR JOHN AND TODD NEVER CAME TO PORT CHARLES….

    .[/quote]

    OMG THAT WOULD BE PERECT!!! That would mean that just like ANGELICA NERO was all a fantasy that Connie Kate and whatever else is inside that chick is all a fantasy too!! And SOBrina never showed up in town. Jason is alive, AJ is still dead and Santa and the Easter bunny are secretly lovers!!

    YES!!! I knew I was right.

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    john2124

    Despite who is wrong or right, the actors signed contracts with GH. I could care less who started the fight between ABC and Prospect Park. These actors have a better job at GH. Who wants to go from an executive position to a team member in terms of pay? I hope that these actors new characters fit into PC and that continue to work in this hard economy.

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    ANGELWENDY15

    Roger Howarth and Micheal Easton are both leading men and I’m so glad they are returning. It’s nice that GH is standing by the 3 actors and doing all they can to keep them. Knowing Roger I’m sure he’ll play some type of odd, funny character and they’ll let him do his ad-libbing. Curious to see who Micheal Easton will play and will Sam somehow be involved.

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    soapfan616

    It’s funny how ABC was the ultimate villain just over a year ago and now they seem to be garnering the most sympathy from soap fans. While I don’t know much about PP (I’ll wait to judge on how they writer the reboots), every soap fan knows ABC’s track history of deceit, spin and outright lies. And for anyone thinking that ABC changed because Frons left is giving Frons a lot more power at Disney than he ever had.

    If PP has played hardball with ABC, I say good for them. They bought the rights to a show. Let them have it. And if PP thought creative coordination with ABC would be too hard to juggle, more power to PP. ABC should not be allowed to interfere or control these re-boots in any way, shape or form. ABC over the course of a decade creatively trashed three great shows and cancelled two of them. PP may not save the soap genre but I’d rather them get a crack at it than see ABC and their hacks influence what could turn out to be a very rich creative environment at PP. The future of this soap is not at ABC.

    Regarding three lookalikes coming back to GH at the same time: On a show that has recently featured plastic masks, DID, “vampires”, baby switches, long lost twins, honeymoon rape followed by a who’s the baby daddy and multiple returns from the dead, having three lookalikes may be the most realistic thing to happen on GH in two years. And if it gets rid of one rapist on the GH canvas, my feminist heart will find some satisfaction.

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    ANGELWENDY15

    pjc722- I agree that Micheal Easton’s acting is about the same in all the roles he played ,(though when he first came on PC as Father Micheal/Caleb, it was some of his best acting). I just like him, I guess the dark hair and blue eyes, and there is something so “Clint Eastwood” about him, with that low voice. I hope they create a really good character for him because he is definetly leading man material and has a big fan base.I’m sure GH realized this, also with Roger Howarth, which is why they brought them over to GH.

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    thecourt99

    I think that some may be quick to support ABC because this is not the same regime that cancelled the shows. Also, there were rumors that ABC was planning to bring the shows back in some form or fashion. Now….none of that really matters, IMO, because the people at Disney are the same.

    That being said, I see PP as the underdog. They have tried to do what they said that they would do, which is bring these 2 soaps back. They seem to have succeeded. All they are trying to do is have control of the characters of their show. ABC has had the characters more recently, and they have the actors. I think they are both trying to play hardball and as I said before, I think that ABC expected PP to roll over. Since PP is making use of the assets that they own, PP is seen as unreasonable. I heard a report that PP wanted creative control over their characters….and some thought that this was unreasonable. I think it is fair. It’s what they paid for and it is what they need to re-establish these characters on the new OLTL canvas.

    I applaud PP for their efforts, just like I applaud the new ABC regime for theirs. Now, I just wish that ABC would refocus their efforts to General Hospital and finding a way to make this work with new characters…which is what I wanted in the first place. I recall a poster on another board used to say that ToddTV was coming….turned out that poster was right. I don’t want a repeat of that.

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    LauraWrightCrazy

    What if Howarth’s Todd ISN’T Todd afterall?.. Irene could have been playing with St. John’s Todd’s mind.. Howarth could just be a random pawn that had Todd’s memories implanted.. if they go this route we won’t have to lose any ground on a Howarth character and Carly romance ((fingers crossed))

    THis could send Alderson’s Starr off camera to be reunited with her father and make way for her return to GH as Serena Baldwin..

    I may be in the minority here but watching her grow up has been a pleasure..

    Goodluck with reintroducing Easton.. but I’m game.

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    Yoryla

    There’s an important thing to remember in giving birth to the new characters. They cannot mess with Todd, McBain, or Starr’s history in any way (as stated in the agreements). So making Todd a fake Todd is not possible. The new characters can have nothing to do with the old. At least not without having another discussion between ABC and PP about the matter. And I don’t see that happening.

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    liason4real

    Swan,,,I would like to think that some of the vets back for the 50th would love a steady job just like everyone else. Some of those vets were let go because of JFP, Guza and Frons, and now they could have a shot at a contract role.

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    gotenks1982

    Well GH is really stupid lol. Let them have Michael and Kristen. I think Roger should try and break his contract with ABC due to this mess and come to OLTL. Now thanks to greedy GH producer and ABC we won’t see Roger again on OLTL (after the initial premier) until at least after his contract is up at ABC if at all ever again.

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    samIShot

    This is easy!

    Could see them re-packaging Roger Howarth as Victor Cassadine and making him Britt’s father. Change the hair style and how he dresses. Same with KA and Lauren Frank. Let KA dye her hair dark, change her makeup a bit and there you go. John should just stay John, dont mention back story, change his last name and let him go on as a detective.

    There you go, there is how you keep the three actors on (since they are under contract)….

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    Dr.House

    No offense to the folks at Prospect Park, but as a person who works on the internet and regularly does ratings for things like internet sports broadcasts, these two reboots are on borrowed time anyways.

    Having Hulu as a partner will be a great starting point, but the key is building a bigger audience and I don’t think either AMC or OLTL have the kind of network to sustain a show over a long period of time with the kind of money they will have to invest to keep it going.

    Daytime audiences are traditionally geared towards the 30 to 50+ age group and I don’t know if those two soap reboots will gain enough traction in the first year to continue on.

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    Ihatethechew

    I trust that GH will do just fine. I love the 3 actors and am glad they are back. The blame lies directly on PP as always. They are a shoddy operation. How quickly we forget. They stuck it too us before and they will do it again. When this nonsense first came out PP lied and said ABC knew all along they were “borrowing” the characters until OLTL returned. Oh yeah? Even after PP squashed out hopes of ever putting the shows back on? They had no way of knowing they were ever getting funding for this now. OLTL and AMC would have never left in the first place had PP not originally been involved. The head of PP has an in with an ABC exec who lets him have what he wants. PP has already ruined it for me. I won’t watch either of the shows until they are out of the picture. They are just as sleazy or even more sleazy than Frons! People bent over backwards for them but they wanted them to bend some more.

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    raakuu

    I can see Roger Hayworth as a recast Jimmy Lee Holt. RH as Jimmy could play to his Strengths. Jimmy is devious and an outcast. He would fit in well with the Quartermaines.

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    LashaME

    PP or ABCD does it “really matter” at this point? So many negative post! This to me, all comes down to 3 live breathing people. That are caught in a mess that is NO fault of their own! People come back as different characters all the time! This IS a soap after all?

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    ANGELWENDY15

    I love reading all the comments! For me, I just want to see Micheal Easton back on the show, and somehow, I think Sam will involved because of the chemistry between them.I am curious to see how Roger Howarth will be brought back. As for Starr, as a OLTL viewer she was so great when she was younger playing the bratty spoiled kid of Todd. When they bring her back to GH, I’d like to see her more like that.

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    Soap_fan_forever

    This is the stupidst thing! I HATE when soaps do the whole same actor as a new character..I.E: Sarah as Carly/Cluadia…its just such a slap in the face to the viewers.
    I absloutely love these 3 characters/actors! I was so upset that they were leaving because of PP..and honestly PP are being asses! Like who cares if these characters have moved onto a new soap. This so was canceled and PP already dropped the ball once..so these people moved on and got new jobs..and using OLTL characters made sense..it was easy to transition them in. They’ve been on the show for a year and made a home on GH…and it was dumb enough that they all left on the same day..even if it was different reasons…so 3 characters are all going to come back..on the same day or week probably and have the same faces as magically new characters..I dont think so! I dont care how you write it in..it would never make sense..it would dumb no matter what…Is Michael supoose to magically forget about Starr..and the fact that there is a girl walking around with her face.

    I love Kristen and will take her on either way..and make due…but Todd characer is fun for who he is..I love how Roger plays Todd..any other character would be dumb..I am not sure how he acted on ATWT..and if it was the same scarastic character..but I love Todd and Carly…they have awesome chemistry..but come on how many Todds where there? And John is going to come back..as what the vampire again *rolls eyes*..how long will that last..and even if he is not..there have already been to many cases of John’s face lately with caleb and Stephen.

    I like the idea..and dont see the problem in just giving them new names..I rather them treat us like we’re dumb with the different names..then treating us like were dumb with new characters with same faces. I dont see why they cant just keep playing like nothing is wrong with just new names…then your not killing any storylines are throwing it in our faces.

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    Phoenix Tremayne

    I hate when people get all pessimistic before something happens; its a soap; Stavros just came back from the dead; Helena I’m sure will turn back up again; Hell on One Life To Live Blair was Asian and then when Cassie became available from Guiding Light BAM she was suddenly white; so I’m not really concerned about how the actors come back as long as they come back. If I had a choice I’d make Roger the new AJ and kick the old/new AJ back to the curb; I liked Billy Warlock the most as AJ; but since we can’t have him; I’d love to see Sean switched out with Roger; that be a good twist. Michael probably wont come back as Caleb since he’s a vampire; but I say cut his hair and bring him back Jason and finally Kristen I loved her as Star when she was a trouble maker hoping in cabs as a kid getting into all sorts of trouble; I dye her hair black and bring her back as a stripper/con artist or something. Can’t wait for the returns and to see who everyone actually comes back as; people we already know or completely new characters.

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    sheila

    :) Good going General Hospital,i am very happy to have them back,i love all three and i cant wait til they ALL show up. love roger,michael and kristen just loving the whole show right now.

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    Chinchi101

    The situation isn’t ideal, but I love RH, KA and ME, so I’m definitely willing to see what happens. I like what Cartini has done so far, and am excited to see how they do this. I do hope the new character for RH is as funny as Todd because it would be a shame to waste that aspect of RH’s talent, and also that his character interacts with KA’s new character and Carly because I love the chemistry between RH/KA and RH/LW.

    Actually, not to typecast or anything, but if they just made him the same character with a different name, I would pretty much be okay with that. (Although I feel like there might be some legal issues with that)

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    spixiefan721

    [quote=mecasey]Worse decision ever. WHY must these 3 actors remain on GH? They have history with OLTL, not GH! General Hospital CAN exist without them. I could understand one of them returning, but to return all 3 as different characters??? WHY? The way it comes across is the SOLE reason GH exists is to support these 3 actors. SMH![/quote]

    I totally agree with you!! Well said!!! I just can’t believe what they are doing. This is going to hurt GH. Easton and Alderson are only mediocre actors at best, so this is insane.

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