HomeTVAll My ChildrenProspect Park Cuts New Episodes of All My Children and One Life to Live to Two a Week! Jamey Giddens May 16, 2013 All My Children, One Life to Live 154 Comments Prospect Park has issued a press release with lots of talk about research and online viewer habits (I will post it below), but to cut to the chase—or chase to the cut—the production company has decided to take new episodes of All My Children and One Life to Live down from four-a-week to two. See full release below: For close to two years we have been working passionately to bring first run premium content to an online platform with the creation of brand-new versions of the two iconic series, All My Children and One Life To Live. There was no precedent for this effort- we had no history-no barometer for how our fans would respond. We always knew there would quickly be new insights into how audiences would respond to our shows and this new platform, and that our ability to adapt quickly to audience needs would ultimately determine the long-term success of the shows and our mission. This is a new medium, a new time and we have always planned to make changes quickly by listening to you, our fans and customers. Today it is clear these shows have resonated, as many millions of views have been logged since our April 29th debut, a mere two and a half weeks ago. We’ve consistently been in the top ten shows viewed on Hulu and viewers and critics alike have told us how impressed they are with the quality of both programs. The past two weeks have been invaluable in terms of learning about how you watch and when you watch our shows on this new platform. We have gained enormous insight through our actual viewing data and our research. And our research has revealed the following: · In the past these shows had their vast majority of views within the first 24 hours. Instead, our shows are primarily consumed on different days then when they originally air. Primarily, fans have been binge viewing or watching on demand, and as a result, we feel we have been expecting our audience to dedicate what has turned out to be an excessive amount of time to viewing these shows. (As an example, for the substantial audience only watching on the weekends, we are currently asking them to watch five hours of programming to keep pace with our release schedule). · On ABC the shows shared a large percentage of their viewers with each other. Yet, the majority of our viewers are watching one show or the other, not both, and they aren’t viewing the shows when they did before. Part of the reason for choosing between the shows may be that the largest viewing takes place either between 12PM and 1PM (when people generally can only fit one episode during lunch time) or between 5PM and 7PM (when the vast majority of competing shows are a half hour long). We are finding that asking most people to regularly watch more than a half hour per day online seems to be too much. · During their ABC runs, viewers watched only 2-3 episodes on average a week and picked up with whichever day’s episode it was. Our viewers seem to primarily start with the first episode and then continue forward episode by episode. Like with primetime serialized dramas as opposed to the traditional slower pacing of daytime, people feel lost if they miss an episode. People are starting from the beginning; the shows are designed for complete viewing from episode one. Yet starting from the beginning with the amount of episodes we are releasing is asking too much for viewers who need to catch up. The clear conclusion is that while somewhat mixed, these viewing patterns resemble more closely the typical patterns of online viewing rather than how one would watch traditional television. This leads us to believe we are posting too many episodes and making it far too challenging for viewers to keep up. When it comes to online viewing, most of us are just trying to find time to watch series comprised of 13 to 22 episodes a season-so asking viewers to assign time for over 100 episodes per show is a daunting task. Therefore, we have chosen to revise our scheduling model beginning this Monday, May 20th by introducing two new episodes from OLTL and AMC each week- new episodes of AMC will now run on Mondays and Wednesdays, and fresh episodes of OLTL will post Tuesdays and Thursdays. MORE, our behind the scenes series, will run as a single show on Fridays. This allows us to introduce a new episode of quality television every Monday through Friday and gives the audience a chance to catch up as we continue to build awareness and excitement around these new shows. Because Hulu agrees with our findings, for the meantime they will keep all of our episodes on Hulu.com for free to give viewers the opportunity to find us and catch up. We know our most dedicated viewers will be upset as they would probably prefer more shows to less (we personally wish there were more episodes of our favorite shows; we would love 50 episodes a year of Homeland, Mad Men or The Simpsons). We apologize to these viewers and ask them to please understand we are trying to ensure our shows succeed and not meet the fate they experienced previously. We need to devise a model that works for all viewers and follows how they want, and are actually watching, online. When it comes to online, as with all new technology, it’s adapt or fail. We feel fortunate to be an online company and to have such an opportunity to adapt. Of course, we will continue to evaluate all the data that comes in and will be vigilant about revising our strategy as needed. We want to be clear that this will in no way impact our feverish pace of production – we will be filming new episodes through mid-June, continue editing throughout July and until we go back into production in August. It’s a frenetic schedule but all of us are up for the challenge and excited to continue to deliver great shows. As a new venture we felt obligated to address the needs of our viewers head on and to make adjustments that we think will work for our viewers. And as always, we thank you for your continued support and encouragement. Sincerely Rich Frank and Jeff Kwatinetz Okay, I am sure this is about to cause pandelirium (When pandemonium meets delirium) here in the DC comments and across the interwebs, but this time around I am going to wait before I rush to judgement. PP managed to get these soaps back on the air — when many thought it was impossible. If they have to tinker with things a bit, I am not gonna start dousing them with haterade. I've enjoyed the relaunches of both soaps, for the most part, and will continue to support them as they find their way. I'm sure when Mama Irna Phillips took The Guiding Light from radio to TV there were tons of hiccups. We'll get through this, soap nuts! 154 Responses SoapyBitch May 16, 2013 I somewhat understand, although it is shockingly sad. With Tivo I am always weeks behind on soaps (I’m a week+ backed up on GH) and I was starting to get behind on AMC and OLTL, although I do the iTunes monthly pass option so I can accumulate. I am just glad these shows are back, so nearly an hour of new content a week for each is fine with me. My hope is that they are quick to pare back dead weight. Celia, I am looking at you. Log in to Reply bishbay May 16, 2013 I guess it comes down to whether they’re also changing the production schedule and shooting fewer episodes per month. That would be a cost-cutting measure signaling revenue problems. Log in to Reply noway May 16, 2013 Somebody send that dude to the tanning salon, or something. Log in to Reply pferrando May 16, 2013 I watched the first two weeks…kinda forced myself to keep up since I wanted to be sure I gave both a chance since I was a first time viewer. And I agree that it’s hard to keep up with it. I currently only watch Y and R (or record), and have B and B on while I work. Trying to commit to even one more hour a day wasn’t working for me so I stopped watching on Monday. So I get why they are doing this. I don’t think it’s going to bode well for the shows in the end, but I may be wrong. In any event, I may start rewatching again if I can fit them in. 20-25 minutes a day is still hard to find sometimes. Log in to Reply Scout May 16, 2013 I’m fine with this. Both shows are already falling into a fairly tedious predictability, so, in this case, less is more. Log in to Reply GH ED May 16, 2013 you are gonna lose me… guess it is just GH now… you can’t manage four episodes a week? it is like the actors work part time.. and you wonder why the three OLTL stayed at AMC… you are just like a bank… fast ouor of the gate and then 3 weeks in you start laying off people…. You are not fixing or changing the medium,,, you are ruining the medium… You seem to miss the part of Serial drama… that soap are 5 days a week. you come back with four days…with your lame recap fashion show which is truly a joke…. i guess all you got out of this …is that you can curse… you are gonna lose us all in the end….!!! i feel bad for the actors…. Log in to Reply DaytimeFan0001 May 16, 2013 It’s pretty shameful I think. It’s shady that the shows haven’t bee on for three weeks and they are making distribution/scheduling changes. I think this was the plan all along. Log in to Reply BFluellen1 May 16, 2013 I’m fine with it. They aren’t cancelling the shows, just making major adjustments. I’ve always felt that their original model (5 weeks on, 5 weeks off) was going to end up being a problem b/c one show wouldn’t have enough episodes in the can. At least they’re doing something to preserve the shows. IMO, I’ve always thought that 4 shows was too big for them to jump out and do from the start anyways. I always thought they should’ve did 2-3 shows a week until they built a stable audience. I understand people being worried about the writing but I seriously think it’ll make the writing tighter. It’ll give the head writers more time to come up with more well thought material and for the production company (or Agnes if she’s consulting) to view their story projections fix them ahead of time. My only gripe is that if they’re doing 2 shows a week for each show then bounce them back to an hour. Other than that, I’m glad they’re downsizing. Build an audience first then go back to doing 4/30 min shows a week. Log in to Reply dellygrim May 16, 2013 That must quite the loose agreement they have with the actors, crew and FX Canada. Don’t screw it up PP. Log in to Reply pferrando May 16, 2013 I’d like to see the actual numbers. I suspect that after the hype surrounding the first week, those numbers have dropped off. For fans of these shows, I hope they are around for a while, but it doesn’t sound good. Log in to Reply sopsnowus May 16, 2013 I’m saddened but I completely understand – especially from the end that a casual watcher could fall behind. However, if they do only do it twice a week I would like for them to move from 30 min to an hour but I guess not. Log in to Reply kenailady May 16, 2013 I am disapointed, I would think they could have tried it with 2 one hour epi’s running every other day. Should have known to good to be true. I understand part of it, but think it would work to run 2 hours of each show each week, alternating days. I think this means it is not gona work. Log in to Reply SoapArmageddon May 16, 2013 [quote=DaytimeFan0001]… I think this was the plan all along.[/quote] I think so too. They started out with a format that was close to what the soapviewing audience was used to then made the switch to what they had in mind from the get-go. Pretty shady…. Log in to Reply DonnyA2001 May 16, 2013 I have always been Prospect Park’s number one fan when it came to bringing these shows back, but I smell some shady bullshit… The explanation from them does not satisfy me. “So people can catch up?” Really!? When these shows were on ABC, they were on five days a week and people didn’t have to watch all episodes to catch up. Sometimes I would stop watching for a while and then tune back in and I might have had a few questions here and there but for the most part, it was pretty self explanatory. I will no longer watch the Behind the Scenes episodes in protest…might sound childish, but this is ridiculous. How dare they get fans hopes up and then slap them in the face with this? Log in to Reply sopsnowus May 16, 2013 I don’t think it would have been that bad if they did this later in the game. This is way too early. Perhaps after the first “season” maybe switch to the format but they could have at least ran like this until the end of the summer. Log in to Reply appleridge May 16, 2013 Im not gonna bitch about @AllMyChildren & @OneLifetolive producing 110 episodes this year instead of 168. Maybe this will help the episodes to be given more time to do quality work & not quanity. Who knows. Sounds like the shows will air 52 weeks instead of 42 weeks now. Whatever the reason Id rather have 110 episodes of #AMC & #OLTL than none. Remember that fans, before calling this a failure. Log in to Reply The_Moustache May 16, 2013 I WAS THE VERY FIRST ONE TO PREDICT THAT THIS PROSPECT PARK STUFF WOULDN’T WORK OUT. and i was proven right. Log in to Reply angrierblackerman May 16, 2013 A bit disappointed. I actually had no problem with the 30 minute 4X/wk format. I got all the episodes in since you can watch them anytime during that week. If TOLN plan was to reinvigorate the genre by thinking outside the box, why are they being governed by the traditional metrics so soon in the game? Is this a case of Hulu throwing its weight around? They didn’t even give the shows a chance, they immediately predicted what would happen based on the other shows viewership. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison yet. They should have at least let it run 6 months and then looked at the metrics IMO. I will continue to watch, even though I think this will hurt the pacing of both shows. Log in to Reply Ryan-Scott May 16, 2013 Oh God. I think it’s too early for these kind of decisions but I don’t work for PP. Disappointing. Log in to Reply rapid_roman61 May 16, 2013 Online/tablet/smartphone viewing is the future; I can’t argue with that. But it hardly seems believable to say you’ll only produce an hour a week because some focus group or survey said that’s all the fans have time to watch. Is this really about the fact that the revenue stream for 2 start-up productions like this can’t come close to what is needed to create 4 30-minute shows a week? Log in to Reply NORN23 May 16, 2013 As a fan, this is frustrating news, but as a busy person, I have to admit that it’s been daunting to sit still for both shows each day. But I AM committed to BOTH, and haven’t missed a day yet. Log in to Reply DonnyA2001 May 16, 2013 If anything this will make people not want to watch it anymore. I’m so very worried because it almost feels like when I watch a primetime show that’s reported to likely be canceled, I don’t wanna watch it anymore…what’s the point of becoming invested if it’s all gonna go away!? I’m still gonna watch the shows, but this seems to be the network television equivalent of being moved to a bad night or being on the bubble. Very, very disappointing. Log in to Reply appleridge May 16, 2013 The episode order being cut from 168 to 110 was reported today in the Deadline article http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/all-my-children-one-life-to-live-change-air-pattern-to-two-episodes-a-week-each/ Log in to Reply booze26 May 16, 2013 The end is near… Log in to Reply commitment to freshness May 16, 2013 I’m not really surprised. These shows are just awful. Log in to Reply TV Gord May 16, 2013 It was inevitable. They were way too optimistic that they would generate enough revenues to justify their existence. This is the beginning of the longest…end…ever. Log in to Reply podcastjunkie May 16, 2013 Alls I can say is WOW. I mean that is a quick decision. I don’t care how they try to couch it the fact they have to cut 2 episodes a week out means to me that things aren’t going as well as they thought they would. They can try to spin it however they want to i’m not buying it. Bad omen. Log in to Reply appleridge May 16, 2013 From Deadline on the episode order & Production schedule for @AllMyCHildren & @OneLifeToLive Three weeks into the re-launch of soaps All My Children and One Life To Live online, I’ve learned that producer Prospect Park is adjusting their release schedule to two new original episodes each week instead of four as it is now. Starting next Monday, fresh episodes of All My Children will be uploaded on Monday and Wednesday, and new episodes of One Life To Live on Tuesday and Thursday. (Friday will continue to be day for recaps, which will now run as a single show). I hear Prospect Park has started to notify producers and have obtained a letter by the company’s principals Rich Frank and Jeff Kwatinetz to fans about the change With the new schedule, OLTL and AMC will produce about 110 episodes this year instead of the planned 168, which is expected to give writers more time to catch up on scripts and provide more time for editing and postproduction. AMC is finishing a five-week shooting cycle today. It will be followed by a four-week pod for OLTL, after which the two shows will go on an 8-week break and resume production in August. Log in to Reply gslam May 16, 2013 [quote=Jamey Giddens]Okay, I am sure this is about to cause pandelirium (When pandemonium meets delirium) here in the DC comments and across the interwebs, but this time around I am going to wait before I rush to judgement. PP managed to get these soaps back on the air — when many thought it was impossible. If they have to tinker with things a bit, I am not gonna start dousing them with haterade. I’ve enjoyed the relaunches of both soaps, for the most part, and will continue to support them as they find their way. I’m sure when Mama Irna Phillips took The Guiding Light from radio to TV there were tons of hiccups. We’ll get through this, soap nuts! [/quote] It appears that everyone in the comments section is not as rational as Jamey when it comes to the “haterade.” Par for the course. Log in to Reply highdensity02 May 16, 2013 I love how everyone is complaining that it isn’t fair to the actors and all that bull. Apparently you didn’t read the memo: the PRODUCTION SCHEDULE IS NOT CHANGING. The cast and crew still have the same schedule that they were going to have. It’s a bit sad that they have to drop down from 4 episodes a week to 2 episodes, but I get it. No one had time to sit and watch the shows when they were on ABC at their scheduled hour so the majority DVRd it and watched it in bulk, and people are doing the same now. Unfortunately, waiting and watching in bulk doesn’t prove fancy in any medium. If everyone did that, then the shows would probably have been canceled right on the spot because the day-of ratings would be ZERO…and we all know in the soap world, the day-of ratings are the only ones TPTB actually care about… And as for TOLN being governed by typical metrics and focus groups and all that jazz, they’re getting money from sponsors and if thats what the sponsors want, then they have to do it. Otherwise the sponsors wont sponsor them. Nowadays, people who have money to hand out, are being very nitpicky on how their money is used, so if they don’t get a say, then they wont give their money. All I have to say is that PP is so far doing a fantastic job with the shows and if they have to cut down to 2 episodes of each show per week to keep these shows and to help build their viewing momentum, I think we should all shut up and get behind them. Cause if all we do is complain about how they’re handling it and refuse to watch the shows, then that makes us no better than typical TPTB and sponsors. Log in to Reply podcastjunkie May 16, 2013 Also that….new episodes only on certain days model they’re going to is going to do nothing but confuse people and that won’t help either. If they must cut then they should just do the easy to understand mon and tues. new episodes release days. Wed…recap shows and then reruns the other days so it’d be easy to keep up with. Yeah, just looked at it again and that alternating stuff is just gonna confuse and irritate people. Gonna have folks signing on to watch one and get the other and be all upset…..also because of their demos…not as young as other shows as far as generational loyal fans. If you have more elderly and senior citizen loyal type of fans giving them other stuff or more stuff to remember to be able to watch new shows isn’t helping them out any either. You may want newer viewers (younger ones yes I know)but until you get them you need your loyal core viewership to be watching to keep it afloat till they arrive (if they ever do) and this ain’t helping. Log in to Reply The_Moustache May 16, 2013 When should we expect a re-cancellation announcement for OLTL/AMC?? Log in to Reply Scout May 16, 2013 Everything will be all right, rock-a-bye… Log in to Reply soapfan5021 May 16, 2013 I wish that All My Children and One Life To Live would come back on ABC where they belong. Cancel those dreadful shows The Chew and Katie Log in to Reply GaryJr May 16, 2013 I was just going to say the same thing gslam. LOL. Hysteria is more like it. Everyone clamoring for doom and failure. If I had a chance to get my beloved Santa Barbara back for one hour a month I’d be in seventh heaven. Get a grip people. Log in to Reply Scout May 16, 2013 Well, 5021, I think that’s what started the legal fight between PP and ABC: ABC wanted OLTL back and PP said no. Log in to Reply Jamey Giddens May 16, 2013 Appleridge, they sent the same press release to all of us. LOL That’s just how Deadline chose to paraphrase it. Log in to Reply troyalexander65 May 16, 2013 It makes sense because I only watch twice a week anyway (if that). I find it hard to locate the current episode on the Hulu interface and wonder if other people have that issue as well. Log in to Reply mfarris70 May 16, 2013 Wow, I didn’t think things would change so quickly. I do wonder how they’ll establish a following with the reduced schedule. Log in to Reply highdensity02 May 16, 2013 Troy, What I find is the easiest way to use hulu is just go to hulu.com and in the search box, type the name of the show (either All My Children or One Life to Live), then press enter. At the next page, it shows the most recent episode on top and then underneath it, shows all the previous episodes (with the most recent on the right hand side and the previous ones to the left, which you eventually have to scroll left to see the rest). Log in to Reply doctormo77 May 16, 2013 People need to calm down! It is unfortunate that we are not getting AMC and OLTL five-days-a-week but that is life. I am thankful that Prospect Park is continuing to move forward with these projects. Everyone needs to remember that this a NEW venture. Like an infant this venture needs to learn how to crawl before it can walk. Log in to Reply gslam May 16, 2013 [quote=GaryJr]I was just going to say the same thing gslam. LOL. Hysteria is more like it. Everyone clamoring for doom and failure. If I had a chance to get my beloved Santa Barbara back for one hour a month I’d be in seventh heaven. Get a grip people.[/quote] GaryJr is my new bestie. Call me every 15 minutes. Log in to Reply Sweet_Thing2 May 16, 2013 I think he is so cute like that! Log in to Reply appleridge May 16, 2013 So after OLTL films for 4 weeks Production will halt til for 8 weeks. I wonder if the filming will be altered then for both shows? Log in to Reply MsAgentProvocateur1 May 16, 2013 I’m not going to jump to conclusions since I must admit that for me, this new schedule is more manageable for me. I’m not going to carp about it–it is what it is. If I found out that someone was bringing back the good ATWT (the 80s style, not the last few years) with many of the vets and longtime characters who weren’t on in the end run (e.g. Scott Bryce and Finn Carter, Frank Runyeon), I’d roll with it. Heck, if I could get that version of ATWT, even with pared down cast, I’d take a weekly series! We’ll see how it goes… Log in to Reply tmac May 16, 2013 Funny, I mentioned to a friend this morning that AMC shows had already cut down from 27 minutes to 24 minutes. Now I know why. I’m not trying to be a naysayer but this does not come across as the move made by a company finding success with a new product. This sounds more like someone trying to keep the ship afloat while cutting losses, and if that is true the end won’t be far off. Log in to Reply cheesehead91182 May 16, 2013 This is not a surprise, the shows are terrible written and produced. The set (except for Llanfair) look cheap as hell and the writing is horrible. AMC feels like a completely different show with dialogue from the 60’s. OLTL is little better but all the nonsense with the club and the plot holes in the Victor/Todd story its just not worth watching. I’m sure in a few months they will be cutting them to one episode and soon after that they will be canceled. They should have just left these shows dead and burried with the fond memories we had of them. Meanwhile I will continue to watch my new favorite soap Coronation Street on Hulu. Log in to Reply gslam May 16, 2013 [quote=Sweet_Thing2]That’ cuz you guys are just sooooo above everybody else.[/quote] DING! Log in to Reply Bob Lamm May 16, 2013 From the beginning, I felt that the Prospect Park people didn’t know what they were doing. And that there was no way that an online run of AMC and OLL would generate enough income to keep these shows going long. I wasn’t surprised when everything fell through the first time. I’m not surprised that Prospect Park has so quickly decided to reduce the number of new episodes on the air. And I won’t be surprised when this whole effort collapses. For those who love AMC, OLL, or both, I’d say: enjoy them while you can. Log in to Reply fmat55 May 16, 2013 I will continue to support the shows and not predict gloom and doom. What good does that do anyone? Seriously. Prospect Park did what every other television network failed to do and that is bring back our beloved characters. This is new so please give them a chance to get their footing. Come on fans. Log in to Reply LisaM May 16, 2013 The writing is on the wall. This is the begining of the end of these shows if PP already doesnt have the funds to sustain the same level of production for four shows. Log in to Reply appleridge May 16, 2013 I bet its not money but the schedule. Its taking longer to produce the episodes then they anticipated Log in to Reply mfarris70 May 16, 2013 I can’t say I’m surprised by this after all of the hullabaloo just to get the shows on the air. I really want them to succeed but this isn’t a good sign. I hope the production staff and writers will put this extra time to good use! Log in to Reply TV Gord May 16, 2013 If it’s not the money and it is the production schedule, then why aren’t they changing the production schedule? “We want to be clear that this will in no way impact our feverish pace of production – we will be filming new episodes through mid-June, continue editing throughout July and until we go back into production in August. It’s a frenetic schedule but all of us are up for the challenge and excited to continue to deliver great shows.” –Rich Frank and Jeff Kwatinetz Log in to Reply LisaM May 16, 2013 [quote=appleridge]I bet its not money but the schedule. Its taking longer to produce the episodes then they anticipated[/quote] Its about money. Why would it take longer to produce these half hour shows? and frankly its not like they are the best quality plus they have experience producing hourly primetime shows so they knew what they were dealing with. Log in to Reply snarkgirl85 May 16, 2013 Honestly, their reasoning makes sense. People don’t watch shows on the internet the same way they do on TV. I tend to binge watch OLTL on the weekends, and it’s certainly not something I could keep up with over the year. Two episodes per week is more manageable, and hopefully will encourage tighter production and writing all around. PP may very well be in trouble financially (their lawsuit towards ABC reeks of desperation to obtain some quick capital), but this is a pretty reasonable decision. Log in to Reply appleridge May 16, 2013 [quote=LisaM][quote=appleridge]I bet its not money but the schedule. Its taking longer to produce the episodes then they anticipated[/quote] Its about money. Why would it take longer to produce these half hour shows? and frankly its not like they are the best quality plus they have experience producing hourly primetime shows so they knew what they were dealing with.[/quote] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BTS folk at the shows have even said via twitter and FB that the pace isnt what they wanted with production. So thats defintley a factor. Log in to Reply giogio May 16, 2013 I just came on about 20 minutes ago and took the poll and gave my comment. Then I saw this. I admitted that I disconnected my Roku box and took it back to the store. I am so glad I took that box back. This is a terrible thing for all who had their hopes high. I did and I know how sad Ive been about it. I dont want to talk trashy. I feel sorry for all who loved them and all who are working. I hope all these wonderful stars scatter to the other soaps. Log in to Reply appleridge May 16, 2013 [quote=giogio]I just came on about 20 minutes ago and took the poll and gave my comment. Then I saw this. I admitted that I disconnected my Roku box and took it back to the store. I am so glad I took that box back. This is a terrible thing for all who had their hopes high. I did and I know how sad Ive been about it. I dont want to talk trashy. I feel sorry for all who loved them and all who are working. I hope all these wonderful stars scatter to the other soaps.[/quote] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` The Shows ARE NOT CANCELLED & Still filming. The sky is not falling Goosey Loosey Log in to Reply giogio May 16, 2013 One thing about PP. They dont care in what fashion they pull the rug out from under anyone. When they have something to say or do they just do it and they have no mercy about the shock factors involved. And they do shock people. Like if we remember back November 2011, when the day before the actors were leaving ABC and supposely PP was going to take over they emailed them the night before to tell them to clear out their dressing rooms. I think that was on a Tues or Wed. By Friday the studios were gone. Came in with a bulldozer. None of the actors had any idea. They pull no punches. Lets not forget that. People, watch your back. Instead of PP trying to make this new, they should have continued where the shows left off cause all us olden folks would have watched it. And Im not even old but if you must, go ahead. All I can say is, Im glad I got rid of Roku with their commercials. Log in to Reply ThomHunt May 16, 2013 Why don’t the majority of you thankless complainers STFU and be grateful your shows are back at all. Give it a chance, wait and see. Jesus F. Christ! Log in to Reply giogio May 16, 2013 Appleridge, you made me hysterical calling me goosy loosy. Log in to Reply LisaM May 16, 2013 [quote=appleridge][quote=LisaM][quote=appleridge]I bet its not money but the schedule. Its taking longer to produce the episodes then they anticipated[/quote] Its about money. Why would it take longer to produce these half hour shows? and frankly its not like they are the best quality plus they have experience producing hourly primetime shows so they knew what they were dealing with.[/quote] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BTS folk at the shows have even said via twitter and FB that the pace isnt what they wanted with production. So thats defintley a factor.[/quote] Eh this is about money or lack there of. Log in to Reply mfarris70 May 16, 2013 I’m cribbing an old lawyer joke here– How do you know when a television executive is lying? His mouth is moving. If things were going well they would be making more episodes, not less. Let’s make one thing clear– the fans are thrilled the shows are back. We just want them to be the best that they can be. Isn’t that what we’re all hear to talk about? Log in to Reply appleridge May 16, 2013 Well If U want the the best they can be then this adjustment should be welcomed and the shows wont have to pull daily 16-18 hour days to shoot episodes. I suspect fans want Quality over quanity Log in to Reply TV Gord May 16, 2013 [quote=appleridge]BTS folk at the shows have even said via twitter and FB that the pace isnt what they wanted with production. So thats defintley a factor.[/quote] I go back to the question I asked earlier: then why aren’t they changing the production schedule? Log in to Reply giogio May 16, 2013 Gord, you know and I know why they are changing. I should have listened to you in the first place. I said it some where else in recent weeks. I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO MY FRIEND GORD. I knew you werent going there. It should have been enough for me. Log in to Reply appleridge May 16, 2013 [quote=TV Gord][quote=appleridge]BTS folk at the shows have even said via twitter and FB that the pace isnt what they wanted with production. So thats defintley a factor.[/quote] I go back to the question I asked earlier: then why aren’t they changing the production schedule?[/quote] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I think the prod has more to do with the editing, pist production Log in to Reply brettyboy May 16, 2013 I don’t know what to think. I must admit, as I watch all 4 televised soaps, watching OLTL and AMC as well has been a struggle, I’ve made time because I love them so. I am disappointed but as long as they stay on I don’t mind, I just hope this isn’t the beginning of the end as is being speculated. Log in to Reply Cyberologist May 17, 2013 Wow this is quick they haven’t been on a month have they? I was hoping they’d give them a little longer to gel I guess not. Log in to Reply liason4real May 17, 2013 I’m going to just roll with the new OLTL schedule and hopefully get a chance to watch AMC. Log in to Reply liason4real May 17, 2013 Hmmmm. If PP ends up shutting down AMC & OLTL, I wonder how long it will take before we see RH, ME and KA’s new GH characters turn out to really be Todd, John and Starr? Log in to Reply Plum May 17, 2013 I’m so disappointed. We get in on FX here in Canada so we still can see it on t.v. It seems to me that fewer people will watch on this reduced schedule. I feel badly for the actors. Log in to Reply marknsprmo May 17, 2013 I’ve got to admit at this point, I am fast forwarding the eps anyway. More nude boys less weeping girls would be my advice. The best scene either show has come up with so far is AJ playing that guitar, and on OLTL is the reverse three’s company with scantily clad boys running around. The rest is forgetable soap rehash muck. And even that is VERY tame conpared to what other web soaps are doing. OLTL and AMC is being too safe and traditional. Yes the ratings have been good but I am personally bored. I was not a regular viewer of either show and do not have the same attachment that others have for these characters. Log in to Reply TV Gord May 17, 2013 The New York Times reports “Prospect Park needs each episode to be seen roughly 500,000 times to break even”. So presumably, they’re not even getting that, hence the cutback. Log in to Reply Forgood21 May 17, 2013 People are too quick to jump to conclusions, Saying that the shows are already going to fail. If anything this helps ensure that the shows are still around by September when they are allowed to be broadcasted on cable. Also they still have the same shooting schedule so it does not hurt the actors one bit. They are still getting paid the same amount, doing the same work. I do think that they should have waited til had at least two months of shows filmed before they started airing. Still impressed with the quality and content of the shows and will continue to watch and those who keep bitching and dont watch DONT COMMENT. Log in to Reply Katiebug9624 May 17, 2013 Yea OLTL and AMC need to shake it up get a little more “adult” hell why not? Log in to Reply westvirginiafan May 17, 2013 they gotta do what they gotta do–I was ready to give up amc because I don’t have time to watch both shows and GH every day (and if I miss a day then I just give up)/ I am fine with a bit less. Hope they also smooth out some of the story lines–less clubbing and college students cheesy habits–the difference between the quality of the teen plots in the days of Lucky and Liz and the original emily, earlier destiny and mathew (and star when she was interesting) and what they have come up with so far on the new AMC and OLTL is telling–teens actually aren’t particularly shallow and can handle real issues (including more substantial conflicts with their parents than Jack ugh–I hate you…) But I’d ;like us all to give them a year. AMC is schizoid from old victorian romance novel plots (celia’s guardian??/) to cutting edge sex trafficking. OLTL is dropping some real opportunities (todd and victor should be able to do something more than try to kill each other (like compare notes on mommy dearest or have victor captured by mommy and todd rescue him for the real sake of his kids)–what if vicki believe dorian and helped her uncover real gov’t dastardly plots. But let’s give them a chance–these shows finding their way is still better than youtube nostalgia Log in to Reply Lucy D. May 17, 2013 It’s a business decision. There aren’t enough people watching. It’s the same reason ABC cancelled these shows. I’m not saying they’re going to be canceled but no production company makes this type of move because things are going well. And I find it odd they did it after only 2 weeks into airing. Presumably OLTL was trying to attract younger viewers and many colleges have been in finals weeks for the past 2 weeks. What really makes me mad is PP’s refusal to allow “their” characters to be on GH. I actually prefer Kiki to Starr, but I really miss McBain. And haven’t seen enough of Roger’s new character to say. Log in to Reply Katiebug9624 May 17, 2013 Well even I have to admit that I am having trouble tuning into both the shows every day. Usually I watch on the weekends. Log in to Reply otaliaforever4 May 17, 2013 Nooooo! I only watch One Life to Live, but I’ll watch All My Children, too, if we get the four eps a week! Please change your minds! Log in to Reply nysam May 17, 2013 Your name doesn’t have to be Delfina to see that this is all PR spin by Prospect Park and the shows will probably be officially canceled come August so PP can give 3 months notice on the studio lease that they have until October. This is sad but not surprising. Kwatinetz & Frank don’t know soaps and they made the mistake of hiring all the same behind the scenes people that worked in the industry for years who aren’t capable of taking the shows to the next level. If they were capable they would have done that when they were on ABC. The teams in place can’t make 2 hours of TV compelling a week when they used to have to do 5 hours. Why should we think they will be able to make 1 hour a week strong enough to grab an audience? The people behind the scenes certainly knew how fickle soap fans are. They needed to draw a line in the sand and hit the shows out of the park the first week. They did not. I watched the first week and tuned out like many other people.Promises were made of edgy, contemporary storytelling and we get more back from the same old, same old and even a back from the dead story with Billy Clyde so early on. Remember PASSIONS when it went to Direct TV. It started out 5 days and then was cut to 4 and so on. The same will unfortunately happen to AMC & OLTL. Let’s have hope…as soap fans we know that characters come back from the dead all the time. AMC & OLTL were resurrected once. Can it be done again? Log in to Reply appleridge May 17, 2013 They have the studios til January for one Log in to Reply DevinMissesOLTL May 17, 2013 Wow! I’m rather shocked that the current schedule is to much for the viewing audience. It’s only 4 hours a week! Good grief, I know people that are on instagram and facebook for that long…a day! I don’t know about this 2 days a week stuff. And what if that doesn’t make a difference? What, will they be cut to once a week? I happen to look forward to each episode everyday. I mean isn’t this what all you “soap fans” were bitching for?! Watch them then!!! I watch while I’m cooking, eating, cleaning…in the bathroom(TMI, I know Lol!) But I’m just saying, it’s doable people. Log in to Reply plant50 May 17, 2013 I watched both. Sad turn of events-maybe. Having worked in corporate America for over 20 years, if they are cutting back this soon then it does not look good. I can’t see how watching two 23-25 minute episodes a week can be good for continuity of storylines. I didn’t have any confusion issues with watching these-especially since they were only like 25 minutes each/day. I said it last year when they first had this idea (and PP mentions it in their release); I would rather see 1- one hour episode a week that builds drama over the hour with a cliffhanger for the next week. Just like the current night time soaps (Revenge, Dallas reboot, etc.). Look at the cast you have, cut out the fringe characters-Rama and Vimal, etc like on OLTL, and create a couple of continuing, dramatic story arcs for the core families and friends. I wont give up on the forum. I will just now watch the each shows two episodes a week back to back after they both have aired. Log in to Reply plant50 May 17, 2013 [quote=DevinMissesOLTL]Wow! I’m rather shocked that the current schedule is to much for the viewing audience. It’s only 4 hours a week! Good grief, I know people that are on instagram and facebook for that long…a day! I don’t know about this 2 days a week stuff. And what if that doesn’t make a difference? What, will they be cut to once a week? I happen to look forward to each episode everyday. I mean isn’t this what all you “soap fans” were bitching for?! Watch them then!!! I watch while I’m cooking, eating, cleaning…in the bathroom(TMI, I know Lol!) But I’m just saying, it’s doable people.[/quote] Couldn’t agree more Devin! Log in to Reply J Bernard Jones May 17, 2013 TV Gord wrote The New York Times reports “Prospect Park needs each episode to be seen roughly 500,000 times to break even”. Yep, that sounds exactly right from what a couple of folks told me a few months ago; otherwise the economics make zero sense. This is also important, from the Times article: Hulu, which has guaranteed a minimum amount of ad revenue to Prospect Park, has backed the new schedule, Mr. Frank and Mr. Kwatinetz said in their statement. Hulu was going to make only the most recent episodes available free, while providing the whole library to paying subscribers of its Hulu Plus service. But “because Hulu agrees with our findings, for the meantime they will keep all of our episodes on Hulu.com for free to give viewers the opportunity to find us and catch up,” the two men said. and While the adjustment will not markedly reduce the production company’s costs — Prospect Park is still committed to producing 220 episodes of each show — it will give the company more time to recoup those costs and turn a profit. Prospect Park needs each episode to be seen roughly 500,000 times to break even. With that in mind, slowing down the release schedule so that those episodes last two years instead of one is a logical step. I know there are some fans who seem to be irritated about talk about soaps-as-businesses, but the hard fact is that for all of the concerns about storylines and characters and blaming Prospect Park, ABC or both for the state of affairs, ultimately these are indeed business issues. Nielsen ratings for tv are (rightly) criticized for not being totally accurate, but the prevailing wisdom among fans of certain struggling shows (not just soaps) is that because of these inaccuracies (rather lack of exact numbers), it automatically must be assumed that it is all but certain that more viewers are watching their favorite series than Nielsen ratings indicate. The argument has usually gone that if only Neilsen fixed its system, then we would see that Series X really had double, triple, quadruple than whatever ratings are reported. My argument against this was always the common sense one: if Neilsen did “fix” their system with exact & 100% accurate viewing numbers, there might be a rude shock awaiting these fans, i.e. viewership could be worse for their shows than they assumed. And what then? In some ways, the surviving soaps may have benefitted from Neilsen’s “inaccuracies” because viewership could be less than what many fans have thought about the popularity of “their” shows. To that end, producing and streaming All My Children & One Life to Live online automatically had an inherently huge potential disadvantage: the viewing numbers would be both exact and unforgiving. Ad impressions are accurate because you can’t skip them (even if you don’t watch them). Streaming numbers are accurate right down to your IP address. Advertisers pay for eyeballs and, especially given how many fans protested these shows by refusing to watch online, refusing to pay for an iTunes subscription or per episode, because they were mad at Prospect Park (for not making them an hour on the same budgets with the same sets with every veteran) and/or ABC (for cancelling them) or any other host of reasons, the numbers for these shows — which are at least as good as they were on ABC and, in some ways better (and in a few ways worse) — don’t have the numbers to justify the old release schedule. The new release schedule makes sense. The question remains if it is sustainable. Log in to Reply DevinMissesOLTL May 17, 2013 I love Vimal and Rama SOOOOOOOOO much! Loved them from day 1 when they were first introduced. Those characters are such a breath of fresh air! So much fun to watch! Not to mention how cute they both are. I say more story for “RiMal”! Log in to Reply Everett May 17, 2013 This works for me. I’ve struggled trying to find the time to watch both everyday and have missed a few episodes of OLTL. Now I should be able to watch all episodes of both. Log in to Reply DevinMissesOLTL May 17, 2013 Thanks plant50! I appreciate your Amen! Log in to Reply kayceekay May 17, 2013 I don’t know. I just hope it doesn’t make it seem like the story is dragging on forever. I mean.. if a week’s worth of drama takes two weeks to get to the point. But on the other hand, this is kind of good for me in a way because I always fall behind then watch in clumps and it does take a chunk of time to catch up. Log in to Reply ItsJustDonnaLee May 17, 2013 When I was in high school in the early nineties, I would program my VCR to switch channels every half hour. That way I got 15 min of Santa Barbara, the last 15 min of Loving and first 15 min of AMC, the last 15 min of Y&R and first 15 min of B&B, the last 15 min of Days and first 15 min of AW, 15 of ATWT, the last 15 min of OLTL and the first 15 of GH, and 45 min of GL because it was my favorite. I did that 5 days a week for over a decade! I agree that this is all spin and a scam because they are not making enough money to sustain their model BUT I also think this is how they are able to lure back the important “names” too, because they would not have to film as much as they would to sustain the plot line of a 4 day a week show. For example, AMC’s Bianca is on in a temp role to get us to care about Miranda as an independent character. I believe Eden Reigel appeared in a week’s worth of episodes in what was mostly filler. Let’s say she was only available to fly out to New England to film for one day. She may film enough to make a 5 min cameo, and that would be OK with 1 hour of footage a week. It would be sufficient. AND cheap. While I think that this press release wreaks of BS, I do admit that SO FAR the shows look better than anything we saw on the last season of GL, AND as a diehard ATWT, AW and especially GL fan, I was pissed off over the last few months hearing about how ABC fans were bitching about various aspects of this deal that didn’t ‘approve’ of, such those listed by J Bernard above. On the other hand (I’m running out of hands!) I do believe that the writing leaves a lot to be desired and I have lost interest. That’s not because I can’t keep up – its because there is nothing substantial to keep up with (talking more about OLTL than AMC). OLTL has cutesy scenes between Bora – with no plot. Don’t even get me started on Todd/Victor – horrible execution. What is Blair doing? Natalie? Cutter? NOTHING. Matthew and Dani are completely unlikable. Ugh. I will go down with this ship, however. Hope things get better. They should use the money they save to hire better writers. Log in to Reply DevinMissesOLTL May 17, 2013 I remember when I watched/taped Loving, Days, AMC, OLTL, Santa Barbara and GH. All while taking care of my mom, grade school, high school and my 40hrs a week jobs. And never missed an episode. And 27 years later I still don’t miss! Log in to Reply rabbit on the moon May 17, 2013 [quote=highdensity02]I think we should all shut up and get behind them.[/quote] How about you not tell people to shut up. You can get your point across without being rude and disrespectful. Log in to Reply J Bernard Jones May 17, 2013 If this is a “scam” and “all spin,” how does it work exactly and who benefits from it? Log in to Reply ItsJustDonnaLee May 17, 2013 [quote=J Bernard Jones]If this is a “scam” and “all spin,” how does it work exactly and who benefits from it?[/quote] They are attempting to scam the viewers with their spin that they call a press release. Why not come out and say, “We are very dedicated to this project, but the numbers are not adding up. We had to regroup and realized that airing 2 hours of content a week is more feasible for us so that we may continue to bring you your shows.” Or something like that. Prospect Park is spinning this to make it look as though they didn’t fail. To me, they are attempting to scam the viewers into believing that is actually their own shitty viewing habits that are influencing this decision. Why not just be honest? Also, if people are viewing the episodes in blocks, what does it matter since the “ratings” are counted no matter what (as opposed to traditional TV ratings). Maybe I just don’t get the idea they are trying to push. As most people have heard from the soap press ad nauseam (in reference to bad storylines or OJ or other reasons viewers tune out), once viewers get “out-of-the-habit” it causes problems. We have 10, 20, 30, 40 EVEN 50 year habits with the way we view soaps. I don’t know. This whole idea right now perplexes me. Log in to Reply Archiesfan48 May 17, 2013 Even though I don’t care for swearing(or taking the Lord’s name in vain )I must say,Thom Hunt,ICAM with your post! It’s been GREAT having my show,AMC,back and I look forward to seeing more of it,in the future,until whenever. The fact of the matter is,before PP stepped in, there was NO hope for these shows(AMC/OLTL)now there is. People need to get a grip,already. Stop being SO negative and doom and gloom. |( JMO. Log in to Reply Archiesfan48 May 17, 2013 Thank you,Forgood21! My sentiments,exactly! Log in to Reply Everett May 17, 2013 Very well said appleridge! Log in to Reply appleridge May 17, 2013 They didnt fail. They just realized that after watching AMC & OLTL film their first cycles a change needed to be made so they looked at the viewership and saw people watch daily soaps 2-3 days a week. That has been so for YEARS. So they decided to air both soaps twice weekly and reduce each shows order to 110 episodes of original and combine more OLTL & More AMC into one recap show on Fridays. IMO maybe starting the shows at two episodes a week would have been better, However, there is no conspiracy. This is trial and error. They tried to produce 168 episodes of both shows but when U have 18 hours plus days and up to 150 pages to film that costs a lot of money. This is PP/TOLN tryin to figure the best model that can bring the best quality episodes to audience as well as be the most profitable for PP/TOLN/HULU/Itunes. Nothing wrong there. So this year should be looked as a learning curve & adjustments have been made & shouldnt have been a surprise. Lets just support the shows and PP so they can get this all figured out. In the long run this will benefit to the longevity of these shows and can even help obtain higher episode orders each year. IMO its a win-win. Log in to Reply nysam May 17, 2013 Sad to say it’s over. They will be canceled by the end of the year. Log in to Reply AbercrombieMike May 17, 2013 These sick bastards are pouring salt into our wounds. Two years ago, we had five, 60 minute episodes a week. Now we get two, 30 minute episodes. Log in to Reply Yoryla May 17, 2013 One thing some poster here said, that I have kind of wondered myself. I once looked up Jeff Kwatinetz online, and his record is quite colorful, yet nothing previous really from the soap industry. Actually, by his profile he doesn’t seem like the person who would be interested in soaps at all. My question is: Why does he want to do this? Maybe it’s just me being prejudiced, but I honestly get the feeling he is *just* a business man, with no emotional investment on the soap industry. And if that is the case, it doesn’t bode well. I don’t trust it. Log in to Reply NORN23 May 17, 2013 If they simply said, “Look, we are a small crew, doing this on a wing & a prayer, and this pace is unsustainable.” I think we would all have their back. But this spin is bullshit, and I’m worried about them using Debbie Morgan, Jill Larson & Cady McClain as spokespeople… That doesn’t feel right, to throw them out in front to defend PP. Log in to Reply Barepartyguy May 17, 2013 Lets face it people, with a new venture nothing is perfect the first time. If PP is losing money, they still want to keep these shows going instead of canceling them. They’re trying. Lets try with them. Log in to Reply Sweet_Thing2 May 17, 2013 Peyton Place aired twice a week. I think this makes sense honestly. It’s more economical and will probably produce a better quality product if they can slow production down a bit. Not stop it, but slow it down. I agree with J. Bernard that the actual numbers as opposed to what Nielsen brings us could be very disturbing. I would be curious to see what the numbers for Y&R and B&B would be if they were streaming only in the US. I want both of these shows to survive because I love, love, love soap operas. But I did try to watch OLTL yesterday and just found it a bore. Not meaning to be insulting to anyone, it just didn’t grab my attention. Time and time again what turns more people away from soaps, that I know, is the influx of newbies. The casts are hired for looks and youth instead of character and story contribution. I recently watched all of the old Dallas and the majority of actors on the show were in their late 30’s early 40’s. Today’s shows will hire a young popular actor and put prosthetics on them to play an older, less attractive character. Ploys like that have just become insulting and even my two teenagers are onto it. Log in to Reply PennySoap May 17, 2013 Thank You Appleridge! Log in to Reply samIShot May 17, 2013 I beg someone to explain how nothing will change even though they are cutting the number of episodes in half. Log in to Reply Katiebug9624 May 17, 2013 They aren’t cutting the number of episodes produced in half just the episodes shown a week. And good lord after reading all of these post I can see how much almost all of us are all about “me me me we need more we deserve more blah blah” hell I’ve done it myself. We shouldn’t be complaining about a damn thing 2 episodes a week is more than what we have been getting which is cancellation/nothing. Does it suck? Yep! Do I understand financially why it makes sense? Sadly yep. Log in to Reply appleridge May 17, 2013 They way they shoot wont change. Just the numbers produced and when they air will. Log in to Reply appleridge May 17, 2013 Im supporting this & believe PP wants this to succeed because they have over 200 people that they employ that count on this to help pay bills and put food on the mouths of their families. Maybe some fans should think about this when they say they want to give up. Stop being me me me Log in to Reply TV Gord May 17, 2013 The cast and crew will feel the impact, though. Slowing down when the shows air, eventually they will be stretching what they thought would be an income for a certain amount of time out to a longer amount of time. If, like me, you’re suspicious about them re-starting in August, that will spread out their income, as well. A lot of people are suggesting we should give Prospect Park the benefit of the doubt, but the shady dealings that have dogged Jeff Kwatinetz for more than a decade make me highly skeptical that he’s doing anything other than playing a shell game with everyone around him (and more broadly, with viewers). Log in to Reply katehhoward May 17, 2013 No darling he is right all of the haters need to shut it. Log in to Reply appleridge May 17, 2013 We dont know how often they get paid they may get paid every other week for 52 weeks regardless of filming or not Log in to Reply katehhoward May 17, 2013 I am appalled and disgusted with all the negative comments i have been reading on this posting. I feel perturbed that there seems to even be posters on this posting that I have never seen before knocking on PP and their decision. I am in agreement with PP. The shows should be pushed down to two one hour episodes per week. Both shows look fabulous and i am sure that it is expansive producing these two soaps. I adore OLTL and I am positive that there will be more exciting twists and turns on the way. We have not even been introduced to Billy Douglas yet. OLTL is the best come back. If they budget the show correctly they ight have enough to bring back some veterans. I would like to see Kamar de los Reyes return and scoop Tea up. I welcome Roger Howarth remaining on doing both GH and OLTL. I hope PP will be able to keep the cast in tack and continue with the raunchy great stories. As for AMC it needs time and a revamp. The Angie/Jessie/Cassandra and Cara/David are the only two stories that I am really excited over. As for as the younger cast members they lack what OLTL brings. They should cast a gay teenager, Miranda should of been more like Erica Kane, I hope Colby will bring the fire and they should of had a more diverse youth cast, The show lost its younger appeal long ago. The days of Tad/Jessie/Jenny, Julie/Cecily/Niko/Charlie, Hayley/Mateo/Brian/AnnLi/Terrence/Kendall/Antone are gone. It would take a big risk towards one of the characters to make this show more appealing to younger viewers. I think they need to check out MTV and BET for some ideas. I still watch AMC but it could be so much better. I love these shows I grew up watching them and I hope they remain on indefinitely. I for one support PP and I hope they do right by the actors, crew and viewers. PP sounds like they are more of a marketing company and who ever is behind it sounds like a mobster. They are trying to be HUGE when they should continue taking small steps. It takes time. Whoever the heads are they need to chill out and stop obsessing over petty nonsense. Focus on producing great fun soaps. Take notes from GH. Log in to Reply TV Gord May 17, 2013 If you’re calling me a hater, katehoward (rather than a realist, which is what I am), I don’t plan to “shut it”, as you put it. You need the realists here to temper the disappointment when everything inevitably falls apart (as it’s already starting to do). I’ve been through this before, more than once. A small minority of us wrote that soaps were going to be cancelled, and we were right. Now, we’re pointing out the same economic realities exist for Prospect Park, and once again, you don’t want to hear it. Well, take your blinders off, google Jeff Kwatinetz, and see for yourself who you’re putting your faith in. You’re only setting yourselves up for disappointment…again. And katehoward, your latest post shows part of the problem of many soap fans: you’re looking at this venture as a soap lover would. You have to look at it from a business standpoint to see what’s really going on. You can “hope” all you want that Prospect Park will do right by the actors, crew and viewers, but it doesn’t take much research to see the long line of people he has screwed over and treated inhumanely over the years. I’ll be over here, watching as you wait for a leopard to change his spots. Log in to Reply TV Gord May 17, 2013 I’m kind of laughing at my-own-self a bit, considering the position I’m in now. I was one of the biggest critics of people who have nothing good to say about GH, and now the roles have reversed. While I never told anyone to “shut it” or stop voicing their opinions, I was critical of them, just as I’m being criticized now. Isn’t life funny? Log in to Reply appleridge May 17, 2013 No actually fans like Kate Howard are looking at it from the business model because they agree that PP needs to do what it needs to do. Its the fans that bitch & moan about it that are only seeing it as a fan and only want what they want screw anyone else including the actors & crew. They seem to feel who cares if they work til 4am every day, I want my 4 shiws a week or nothing. These fans need a reality check and to grow up. Log in to Reply TV Gord May 17, 2013 Take your blinders off, appleridge. These are not people to be trusted. History has proven it time after time. Log in to Reply missmuffett41 May 17, 2013 I don’t blame PP. why up load 4 episodes a week when the majority of viewers are only watching at least 2. That is like throwing $80,000 into the garbage. Log in to Reply appleridge May 17, 2013 No one has blinders TV Gord maybe you should take your judgments based on 2nd hand info and come with an open mind. If you can. Log in to Reply TV Gord May 17, 2013 Nice try, appleridge. If your mind was open to it, you’d be checking out more about this guy, but everything’s peachy-keen, hunky-dory. That’s fine. Enjoy. Later. (It’s a long weekend here, it’s gorgeous here, and I am out.) Log in to Reply missyb9479 May 17, 2013 I’ll keep watching but I’m wary. One of the things I love about serialized daytime drama is that there is a lot of it. When you’re filling that much time (on TV 5 hours a week, before on Hulu 2 hours) you have time for character moments and remembrances and things that don’t drive the plot but give you glimpses into character lives. You can take the time to have the scene of Nora and Destiny (which doesn’t really move the plot but was great character building for the two) because you have a lot of time to move the plot along during the week. If that is cut down then I’m afraid that I’ll get bored when the plot doesn’t move along fast enough. It’s one thing to sit through a storyline or characters I may not love (whatever is going on at Shelter) when I know that I’ll get plenty of my stuff coming along. I just think that it will be impossible to keep the momentum of daytime storytelling at that pace. Log in to Reply watcher5000 May 17, 2013 OK….I have taken a day to reflect on the situation and have looked at it with emotion removed. What Prospect Park is doing DOES MAKE SENSE. At first I too was doom and gloom about the whole thing. Today, however, I can see why the number of shows are being cut back. right now, I have the time to tune in everyday, soon I will not. I will be lucky if I can sit down every other day. I also work on the weekends as well as have other commitments which will not allow me to sit and binge watch up to 5 hrs of shows at one time. The PP people know that viewers are finicky and if they feel that it is too big of a hassle to have to watch so many episodes just to keep up, they will just give up and move onto something else, and the shows will go away. They are not trying to “trick” us. I believe Rich and Frank are fully committed to this, or they wouldn’t have fought so long to make it happen. The cast and crew are still, for now, keeping to the same production schedule. Cutting the number of shows per week will allow the shows at least over a year’s worth of run, giving them the chance to build an audience. The reason the shows will fail is if all of the people on all of the boards easily give up a show they claim to “love” and stop watching because they want 5 shows a week instead of 2. This makes no sense at all. We all fought to get these shows back…don’t let them die again because they are not available like “the old days”. We are entering a new era,change is inevitable if we want to prosper. Two shows a week are better than nothing. Let’s support these shows while we can! Log in to Reply Sweet_Thing2 May 17, 2013 Look Kate, just because you don’t like what someone says doesn’t give you the right to label them anything. The forum is to express opinion and converse not bash and shame people for what they feel. If you don’t like something somebody is saying, don’t read, listen or watch. If you expect everyone to censor themselves for you or anybody else you are basically adding to what is now just the smoke and mirrors game the press plays with the public. I respect your opinions whatever they are, try respecting others and just leave them be. It doesn’t affect you. Log in to Reply appleridge May 17, 2013 Really i dont care if Rich & Frank are hard to deal with. As long as they give me good shows & the actors & crew are happy, I am good. Entertainment is a tough business. One must be tough or you get stepped on. Gloria Monty for example who saved GH in 1978 gave us great shows but was a real pain to work for. Also this is a new venture so there are gonna be bumps the first year. Its expected. Log in to Reply PennySoap May 17, 2013 Thanks Again, appleridge – and katehhoward! I have been a fan of One Life to Live for over 30 years and want to see them and All My Kids succeed! Log in to Reply Dariclone May 17, 2013 I really feel like this is a raw deal espically for the actors and crew who work so hard. I watch both shows and do my best to keep up with both. I really feel like it would be a better bussiness model to keep all the episodes of both shows up for a couple weeks on Hulu. People have always watched soaps in different ways. I have a grandmother who used to work sll week and would marathon the episodes on the weekends. This was in the ’80’s long before most people did that. However if most people are fine with this, I won’t complain. I’ll still support them both. Log in to Reply liason4real May 17, 2013 I will give PP mad props for at least getting AMC and OLTL back online and see what happens down the road. I had never seen such promotion for any day time soap opera in a very long time. For what ever reason, we still have soap fans refusing to watch their soaps because their not on TV. Log in to Reply Smit10 May 17, 2013 I am so disappointed in your decision to reduce episodes of All My Children and One Life to Live. I am a viewer who has watched both shows for over 25 years. However, I know that many of my friends watch only one show or the other. You have been doing a great job with the show, which almost makes up for the episodes being only 1/2 hour each, but now you are offering up as a solution, two shows per week of each soap. Are we the audience/supporters so ignorant that we don’t realize that you have turned the soap opera into a mere one hour show, once per week?? The fans watched 5 hour shows, five days a week and now we’re to get an hour. I am dropping my Hulu account. So sad. This is a bait and switch and I don’t want to get involved with the show, as the demise of the program is apparent. Nope, won’t do it. Once scorned, twice shy….I’m not getting my heart broken again!!! One show a week is not a “soap opera”. Log in to Reply appleridge May 17, 2013 so 110 episodes of each show this year is not enough. Well You could have NONE You know if this succeeds the episode order could increase. The sky is far from falling. Log in to Reply katehhoward May 17, 2013 [quote=Sweet_Thing2]Look Kate, just because you don’t like what someone says doesn’t give you the right to label them anything. The forum is to express opinion and converse not bash and shame people for what they feel. If you don’t like something somebody is saying, don’t read, listen or watch. If you expect everyone to censor themselves for you or anybody else you are basically adding to what is now just the smoke and mirrors game the press plays with the public. I respect your opinions whatever they are, try respecting others and just leave them be. It doesn’t affect you.[/quote] Oh, hell no you did not come at me like that! First off Stupid, oops I mean Sweet_Thing you posted a vile statement in regards to Felix on another post on DC. It was the most ignorant comment I have ever had the misfortune of reading and viewing. Now in regards to my own opinions. I do believe that some individuals should pipe down. They are not real fans and their opinions do not count. Some people can not comprehend the business aspect of the industry. They want more of this and less of that and simply do not understand that there is more to producing these shows than just talking and wishing. I have been a soap viewer since I was 8 years old my dear, I have some idea of whats going on and although I am not a Jamie or Jillian I do know some things. I will not apologize for some of the things I have uttered simply because they are fact, and I suggest you get use to it! Log in to Reply Marland Fan May 17, 2013 I knew these shows were doomed the minute they started hiring the same old writers and producers that already ran the shows into the ground once. Log in to Reply giogio May 17, 2013 Im with Gord, The reality is, they have been reduced to 2 episodes a week per show, after only airing 12 episodes. All you cheerleaders need to tell us why that is good news. Someone mentioned we should be supportive because people need these jobs to eat, and I agree, I dont want to see anyone lose their jobs. But this is now fans/viewers faults. The sky is falling. Me is Loosey Goosey. Log in to Reply J Bernard Jones May 17, 2013 They are attempting to scam the viewers with their spin that they call a press release. Why not come out and say, “We are very dedicated to this project, but the numbers are not adding up. We had to regroup and realized that airing 2 hours of content a week is more feasible for us so that we may continue to bring you your shows.” Or something like that. Um, that’s what the press release said. Log in to Reply nysam May 17, 2013 Gord and I often disagree, but he is right on this one. I posted on DC months ago about Kwatinetz’s past at the Firm and how he ran the company into the ground. With shows just airing twice a week there is no need to even have the size casts that AMC & OLTL curently have. Half hour sopas traditionally have 20 core characters and hours have 30 to 40. With only 1 hour of AMC & OLTL a week there isn’t going to be enough time to feature the size cast these soaps currently have. Also, the momentum of storytelling that has driven soaps for years is now gone. There won’t be the urgency to tune in tomorrow. RIP AMC & OLTL. Log in to Reply giogio May 17, 2013 NYSAM – better watch it. On Sunday, there was a poll for best soaps, where we both commented and you and I got slammed by someone for not being too happy with the soaps. Dont remember who it was but I was waiting for you to see it. It was vomitizing. Log in to Reply watcher5000 May 17, 2013 The demise of the program is definitely assured if fans stop watching. I can’t understand why people are reacting like this. the shows are not being cancelled, they are just cutting back on the days they are being aired. this is a new format that is being tried out. It will evolve and change. If Hulu and PP discover that more people are watching and keeping up, more episodes may air during the week. If people keep tuning out due to anger, it will be “the fans” who have killed the shows and no one else. Log in to Reply nysam May 18, 2013 Hi Giogio Not afraid of people attacking me especially when they are lemmings. I have stated my concerns for months about the re-launch. I’m sorry to say I was right. I wish the shows had succeeded, but Prospect Park assured their failure by hiring the same “creative” people behind the scenes who got them canceled in the first place. Time to start the weekend! Log in to Reply ItsJustDonnaLee May 18, 2013 [quote=NORN23]If they simply said, “Look, we are a small crew, doing this on a wing & a prayer, and this pace is unsustainable.” I think we would all have their back. But this spin is bullshit, and I’m worried about them using Debbie Morgan, Jill Larson & Cady McClain as spokespeople… That doesn’t feel right, to throw them out in front to defend PP.[/quote] THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I’M SAYING!!!! Log in to Reply RealityCheck 33 May 18, 2013 This time next year, there will be no OLTL or AMC. PP will pull the plug on them. Enjoy them while they’re here. Log in to Reply katehhoward May 18, 2013 Who are you? You have not been posting in months and all of a sudden your bashing these shows. If you do not like them that is your right but stop putting negativity out. Log in to Reply Sweet_Thing2 May 18, 2013 eat me kate Log in to Reply Sweet_Thing2 May 18, 2013 [quote=katehhoward][quote=Sweet_Thing2]Look Kate, just because you don’t like what someone says doesn’t give you the right to label them anything. The forum is to express opinion and converse not bash and shame people for what they feel. If you don’t like something somebody is saying, don’t read, listen or watch. If you expect everyone to censor themselves for you or anybody else you are basically adding to what is now just the smoke and mirrors game the press plays with the public. [/quote] Well then just get used to my vile statements missy. Because you are gross and I hate your hair in the picture you use you big dummy. And I said nothing offensive about Felix I just asked a question and because everyone wants to be so politically correct these days it got taken down. I have nothing against gays or Felix so you just stop with your hateful assumptions. Log in to Reply ItsJustDonnaLee May 18, 2013 WOW. A really intelligent conversation. Log in to Reply fmat55 May 19, 2013 [quote=RealityCheck 33]This time next year, there will be no OLTL or AMC. PP will pull the plug on them. Enjoy them while they’re here.[/quote] I will. And I’m not alone. Log in to Reply moionfire May 20, 2013 I don’t think PP is being completely honest. I do think they are cutting back because the money isn’t there. But I also think they didn’t anticipate the amount of work. They did say how many of the staff was at the studio up to 4 am. An online network can’t produce the amount of content that a network show can because they have a smaller staff. As far as so-called fans, I am embarrassed by the number of people that are wishing for the show to go away, or are saying they aren’t going to watch anymore. While I am not happy at the reduction, I am glad the shows are on to begin with. I do think the twice a week storytelling might change the flow of the show, but I will continue to watch. We don’t know if this reduction will make the show look bad. And they did say there will be 110 episodes a year. That is a lot. Most prime-time shows don’t have that many episodes in their entire series run. Lets put this in perspective people!! If this show fails, it will because of the fans, not Prospect Park. Log in to Reply Forever21 May 20, 2013 TV Gord and NYSam I agree with everything you have both posted. [quote=katehhoward]Who are you? You have not been posting in months and all of a sudden your bashing these shows. If you do not like them that is your right but stop putting negativity out.[/quote] And who the hell are you? Did Luke &Co change the rules of this site so that only those who think PP cutting back the shows is a good idea should be able to post? If she/he doesnt like what is going on they have a right to post it here. So what if some people havent been posting in months? and grow the hell up with this is putting the negativity out there bs. If you want to bury your head in the sand and believe all is good in PP land then fine but let others post their own feelings about the situation without you personally attacking or them or trying to stop them from expressing their views. Log in to Reply appleridge May 21, 2013 According to Nelson Branco’s SU issue 70 @AllMyChildren & @OneLifeToLive cost 80,000 an episode to produce. Actors are paid a weekly rate. I understand the reason for the episode reduction/airing change more now. 80,000 per episode is the cost and actors are paid weekly. Well they have been pulling 18 hr days plus that shhould make PP have to pay actors at least time and half on those days. So they are probably spending more than they thought. So the episode order was reduced and 2 days airing so the episodes stretch over a longer period of time. Giving the shows more time to find an audience Log in to Reply appleridge May 21, 2013 From the @AllMyChildren Facebook but also applies to @OneLifeToLive as well: Hey When the demand grows for more episodes we have the ability to readjust quickly. The demand of episodes is measured by viewership of each episode. Hope this helps. Log in to Reply Cherrill May 21, 2013 I am disappointed and shocked at this cutback from less than 2 hrs a week to less than 1 hr (since there is NO true Friday show). I think this cutback is going to kill off these show for good. I have noted that with so little show time before this cutback I was stating to lose interest. With the different families and story-lines they just barely touch on each and the show is over to the day, and one is lucky if it pick ups and continues the next day or if it is a the day after, with it now being only two days a week, they may start a story-line and not get back to it until the following week. (I had so hoped that after a month or so they would become ‘1 hour’ shows and i thought they would, boy was I wrong.) I think people are going to lose interest and they are going to lose viewers and these shows will be lucky to last a few months if even that long. Look at show on prime time if they don’t hold the viewers interest long enough they can be canceled after 2 shows like DO NO HARM, or 4 shows like Zero Hour and there have been many others. An hour a week is not enough, even 30 min (which they are not really 30 min shows) 4 days a week was not really enough. I find this say, I loved these soaps but even with as much as I love soaps, they were barely holding my interest at 4 days, ’30 min’ and now, well I suspect that after a month or so, I will move on to other shows, simply because things move to slow in this new format. As I said, they were barely holding it before. This makes me very sad, it’s like they are dying again, and it’s truly the end for these soaps, or at least it will be. I hope other write and state how this change is effecting them. Log in to Reply appleridge May 21, 2013 This may be unpopular but Fans fought 2 years for @allmychildren & @onelifetolive . They are back but some still BITCH about not being enough episodes. Really just support the shows U supposedly wanted back. Now some wanna give up. Really U watched all the way on ABC & are gonna give up after just a month. I want the true soap fans back. Not these fair weathered fans who are greedy, childish and ME ME ME screw everyone else, UGHHH. Log in to Reply soapjunkie88 May 21, 2013 It’s still a matter of how it’s done. Yes fans fought for these shows and because of that they should just be happy and not allowed to question Prospect Park or be disappointed that after only a couple of weeks they cut back the episodes and change the schedule? If you can’t do it right don’t do it at all. It doesn’t help to be in half way or show that you are not a good business partner. Why be happy if the product isn’t what you thought it would be? Or if it’s only given to you in such small dosis that it simply doesn’t matter anymore? Not to mention that you check on how many episodes you can produce in a year BEFORE you premiere these shows and close a deal with other partners. It frustrating as a soap fan because all you seemed allowed doing is be happy that shows are still around. No matter if they meet your expectations or are just bad. Log in to Reply TV Gord May 23, 2013 [quote=nysam]Gord and I often disagree, but he is right on this one.[/quote] :O :O :O I’m…I’m dying, right? You’ve found out I’m dying, somehow. That’s got to be it! :O :O Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.