HomeTVAll My ChildrenProspect Park on FX Canada Cutting All My Children and One Life to Live: “The Agreement is No Longer Valid” Jamey Giddens May 20, 2013 All My Children, FX Canada, iTunes Canada, One Life to Live, Prospect Park, The Online Network, TOLN 52 Comments A spokesperson for Prospect Park has elaborated on FX Canada cancelling airings of All My Children and One Life to Live, following the production company's decision to cut their number of weekly episodes in half. Said the PR rep to ABC Soaps In Depth: "The terms of the F/X Canada deal stipulated a five day run," a rep for Prospect Park told Soaps In Depth. "Now that the shows have been reduced, the agreement is no longer valid. However, the great news is that Canadian viewers can now access the shows via iTunes Canada." As previously reported, Canadian soap fans can download episodes of AMC and OLTL via iTunes Canada. 52 Responses The_Moustache May 20, 2013 my predictions are coming true. Log in to Reply fmat55 May 20, 2013 [quote=The_Moustache]my predictions are coming true.[/quote] You should be very proud of yourself. Maybe now you can move on to your next “gloom and doom” predictions. Us die hard delusional fans will continue to watch until the very end, whether it’s a month from now or a year from now. Log in to Reply The_Moustache May 20, 2013 Log in to Reply soapjunkie88 May 20, 2013 And now no other television channel worldwide is going into business with these people because they can’t deliver. If you have someone on your hand like FX Canada, you make it work and don’t change the whole idea about the schedule of these shows. It’s just not professional and sets this project up to fail. Prospect Park is trying but you can’t fully try if you don’t have the energy or money… just very telling. Log in to Reply SoapyBitch May 20, 2013 All shows end eventually. Going into this I was just happy to get additional chapters to the stories and the true gem has been AMC. I hated that show for years at the end, Broderick aside, and the current team has really rehabbed that brand for me. It’s Saved By The Bell at times, but I can take that to being completely bored. I will say that Prospect Park did not learn their lesson from a year ago. They need to really set expectations properly. It just seems like business 101 to under promise and over deliver than over promise and under deliver. When they initially said they were going to produce shows to launch immediately after they went off the air on ABC, they should have just said “stay tuned” and if they should have started their launch with one show a week and ramped that up once successful then it would appear better than retrenching. Plus, I didn’t get the business sense to launch during May sweeps when eyes are getting pulled everywhere else. That’s part of the reason I am so behind. Log in to Reply terithecook May 20, 2013 I’m just happy that it’s on the air and way, shape or form. It’s better than nothing. I wish both shows had a few less kids, but they’re trying to get that 18-39 demo (which makes no sense to me because I didn’t have two nickels to rub together most of those ages) but so be it. I’d rather they do slow and steady than too much all at once. Log in to Reply pferrando May 20, 2013 I think Prospect Park is really making a bad name for themselves. As for FX, it’s just business. Log in to Reply gjr1969 May 20, 2013 All I hear everywhere is “I’m just so happy this is on, whatever form”. But people can’r see just who unviable this thing is? These people are in a legal dispute with ABC, have left Hulu in a sucky position with all of the people who signed up for Hulu+, have lost major revenue from FX Canada and are reducing traffic for new shows by 50%. The big magical hope is that all of the people who couldn’t catch up with 20 online episodes will all start watching the missed eps and catch up, all the while saying that each episode must hit 500,000 hits a day to turn a profit, after advertising “TV anytime”. It is a recipe for disaster. Log in to Reply angrierblackerman May 20, 2013 This makes a lot of sense actually…less episodes nullifies the deal/agreement. The cutting back won’t really take away from the quality of AMC, it’s OLTL I am more worried about. PP REALLY needs a new PR person. Sorry Canadian fans! Log in to Reply RealityCheck 33 May 20, 2013 I’m not here to rain on the parade of these two shows, but PP’s roll back of showing only two episodes per week has doomed these shows. I would have gone to F/X Canada and proposed rotating episodes on a 2/3 basis. That way they could have a specific time slot on their network to show either program and keep distribution. One week have two episodes of AMC and three of OLTL. The next week it would be three of AMC and two of OLTL. They aren’t a dependable supplier and that is poison in the world of media. I’d say they’ll be lucky to be around by the end of the year. I hope I’m wrong, but I fear that I’m not. Log in to Reply appleridge May 20, 2013 Uhhh doom & Gloom how about just be grateful you can watch your soaps again. But I guess some just like the look and sound of negativity Log in to Reply Marland Fan May 20, 2013 These shows will be gone by the end of the year. Log in to Reply appleridge May 20, 2013 [quote=Marland Fan]These shows will be gone by the end of the year.[/quote] No one is forcing to watch them. But if ur a fan and saying that, its just sad. How bout supporting the shows insted of planning their funeral Log in to Reply thecourt99 May 20, 2013 It makes sense from FX’s perspective, but what it tells me is that they bit off more than they could chew with the TV deal. They should have focused online only at first, which gives them more flexibility to make changes. Log in to Reply appleridge May 20, 2013 i think PP just wanted a place for Canadians to watch but now they Itunes CA Log in to Reply thecourt99 May 20, 2013 [quote=appleridge]i think PP just wanted a place for Canadians to watch but now they Itunes CA[/quote] I agree. I think the sentiment was appropriate. US viewers could watch on Hulu for free, but CA viewers didn’t have that option, so the deal with FX was created. I still think they bit off more than they could chew…and it seems to be a habit, but just like I give RC some slack with his writing due to the love of the genre, I give PP some slack because they are entering unchartered territory to save soaps. Even if this fails, there is still a viable blueprint for another group with solid funding to take a stab and learn from what has happened here. That new group will go in with more information than PP did when they started. Log in to Reply ItsJustDonnaLee May 20, 2013 [quote=gjr1969]All I hear everywhere is “I’m just so happy this is on, whatever form”. But people can’r see just who unviable this thing is? These people are in a legal dispute with ABC, have left Hulu in a sucky position with all of the people who signed up for Hulu+, have lost major revenue from FX Canada and are reducing traffic for new shows by 50%. The big magical hope is that all of the people who couldn’t catch up with 20 online episodes will all start watching the missed eps and catch up, all the while saying that each episode must hit 500,000 hits a day to turn a profit, after advertising “TV anytime”. It is a recipe for disaster.[/quote] Prospect Park has to learn that you MUST spend money to make money. They need to deliver on their original promise of 5 epis a week (even if it puts them into debt for awhile) because now they completely lost the revenue from FX Canada and that was dumb move. Hulu and Apple profited on those signed up for service, and in turn have become de facto sponsors of the show (Macs and iPhones everywhere on these shows – I assume Apple is paying for that type of exposure; and Hulu has been advertising the brands non-stop to the benefit of both PP and themselves).I wonder if they will now lose revenue from Apple? Half as much exposure for their products means less product placement revenue. If they were smart, they would film all 110 episodes right now, regardless of when they air. Connecticut is a nasty place to visit and an even nastier place to live in the fall and winter. Last season they had a blizzard that deposited over 3 feet of snow in February. Its no wonder Kristen Alderson, a Philly native living in sunny LA, didn’t want to make the trip. Get actors to go out to CT in the late spring and summer – the only time New England is tolerable – to get more stars to film episodes of the series. Do what you can PP before you run out of money!! YOU MUST SPEND MONEY TO MAKE PROFIT! PP should have bit some bullets in the interim. I DO agree with the post above that they should have under-promised and over-delivered – that’s Business 101. Log in to Reply Marcelle May 20, 2013 Wasn’t it a part of PP’s licensing agreement with ABC that the shows had to continue in a five day a week format? Log in to Reply appleridge May 20, 2013 They renegoiated that when they did the loan to ABC the OLTL roles Log in to Reply appleridge May 20, 2013 Its not a money issue its the issue that they couldnt get enough episodes in the can. So they cut the episode order. They are spending Money. They are spending 18 hours filming up to 156 pages daily. How about do some research before posting LIES as FACTS Log in to Reply PennySoap May 20, 2013 Stay Tuned! Log in to Reply betterthanever May 20, 2013 So you’re a psychic? I call bullshit! We’ve been told from the beginning that the shows would be a different format than regular soaps. They are pushing for a more primetime feel and it shows. Take your negativity and shove it. Log in to Reply The_Moustache May 20, 2013 Log in to Reply brettyboy May 20, 2013 @ The_Moustache, I really wish you’d piss off! Take your negativity and sarcasm and stick it up your ass! Log in to Reply gjr1969 May 20, 2013 PP has made nothing from mistakes from the start, perhaps to the point when it cannot be fixable now: – They let the 3 stars go to GH without apparently thinking what would happen to the stars/actors in the future – They engage in these disputes/lawsuits with ABC, even though ABC is partly at fault, when they should be cross-promoting, doing crossovers etc. They should have drooled at the possibility that Todd Manning could take interested viewers back and forth from GH – They set up shop, start building sets, start writing and filming within days. So the writers/producers/crew were stretched to the breaking point from day 1. Susie Bedson Horgsan quit and I can see why – Writers sometimes worked until 4 am! – Unrealistic expectations: Any of us here could have told them a) Not all people watch both shows and b) People will, indeed, watch at different times. If their pricing model is built on something else, it will fail. – The actors will have more time off, but also get paid in about twice the time. If I were an actor considering giving up other projects for PP, I’d think twice. – You can always add. People are pissed if you take away, especially after 2 weeks. Plus, many would let OLTL or AMC just run after watching their episode. Not happening now. – They broke major contractual violations within 2 weeks of existence and ailenated many Canadian fans – Alienated all who bought Hulu+ and Hulu itself Can someone tell me how I’m supposed to be confident? And it is not gloom and doom – this is a business. It was killed by a decade of Frons’ mismanagement. We don’t want AMC and OLTL to meet the same fate. Log in to Reply angrierblackerman May 20, 2013 [quote=appleridge]You should support because U love the shows. Its that plain & Simple. No one here knows what is going on at the studio. We know from social media the actors and crew are behind this, This is year one and adjustments are to me made and expected[/quote] #Co-sign…Couldn’t have said it better myself! I don’t know what will happen, and I don’t really care, all I know is that I am going to support and enjoy them regardless of what happens. Log in to Reply appleridge May 20, 2013 You should support because U love the shows. Its that plain & Simple. No one here knows what is going on at the studio. We know from social media the actors and crew are behind this, This is year one and adjustments are to be made and expected Log in to Reply thecourt99 May 20, 2013 @gjr1969 – I see your point, but I dunno, maybe confidence isn’t the right term. We are talking about a group of producers bring a daily serial into a medium for the first time ever. I think we are expecting too much if we want perfection the first time around. You are correct, it is a business, and I can’t think of one business that went perfectly the first time it broke new ground. I think there are a lot of unrealistic expectations going around. Log in to Reply tarpaz May 20, 2013 Canadian viewers are getting the short end of the stick here. Yes it’s only $9.99 on itunes for 20 episodes but it’s for only one show. So if you want a multi-pass both OLTL and AMC it will be $20. Also not every OLTL and AMC episode (since the re launch) has be worth the watch. For the Canadian viewers that will pay per episode they are going very picky on which one they purchase. Log in to Reply GHteenybopper May 20, 2013 LOL @ The_Moustache I can’t with you! I did buy the multi-pass on iTunes recently because my service provider doesn’t offer FX, if ITunes doesn’t lower the price for two episodes a week I won’t renew my multipass. I don’t think it’s fair that we have to pay in Canada and in the US it’s free. We still love our soaps too here in Canada and we should have similar access. Log in to Reply rlegall432 May 20, 2013 The joy that certain posters seem to be taking at these shows’ troubles is sad and pathetic. We get it. You predicted PP’s venture would fail, and you were probably right. Is that all you want to hear? That your prediction was correct? If so, I bow down to your rightness, how can I have ever doubted?, blah blah blah… Now can you just shove it? Some of us love these shows, and were really pulling for PP’s success, and there’s no reason for you to come rub it in our faces that it isn’t going to work out (other than you just feel like being an a$$hole). Log in to Reply The_Moustache May 20, 2013 Log in to Reply rlegall432 May 20, 2013 And clearly you just feel like being an a$$hole. Truly pathetic. Log in to Reply The_Moustache May 20, 2013 Log in to Reply liason4real May 21, 2013 It took Brian Frons over a decade to eff up the ABC soaps, so I am going to cut PP some slack. Log in to Reply rapido May 21, 2013 I rarely post but enjoy reading. The shows will not last, plain and simple. The lone tv partner pulled out on the heels of production cutbacks. We all have different opinions but some defenders seem desperate to convince everyone on how rosy things are. Or maybe they want to convince themselves. There are better shows actually on TV and I do not have to fool around with Hulu or as they say huwhat. The shows should have stayed respectfully buried. Log in to Reply appleridge May 21, 2013 FX Canada is a small channel its not some big wig network I doubt AMC & OLTL going off there will bury the show. The Channel isnt even available to a lot of people in canada Log in to Reply SoapyBitch May 21, 2013 Does anyone know what the ratings were like for FX Xandad weeks leading up to the soaps and the two weeks of the soaps? Since PP isn’t releasing actual figures, I’m curious to know how the soaps were doing on tv. Log in to Reply appleridge May 21, 2013 I dunno Id alo loke to see the #’s of viewers for Itunes & Hulu Log in to Reply gjr1969 May 21, 2013 The only thing I will disagree with you about here is your description of Connecticut. I live in Connecticut and am about 15 minutes away from where they film in Stamford. You should ask the people who really live in the state before you make these proclamations. Yes, we had some bad luck with Sandy and Irene but we also have had 3-4 extremely mild winters. We’ve maybe had 3-4 bad snow days all winter. It never snows really until January, so if the shows are in 5 week or 8 week cycles, this is likely to impact each show minimally (no I can’t guaranty every winter will be like that) Beyond that, Stamford is a very good location because it is easily accessible from NYC. It is an easy commute for Slezak and, what I hear, also Canary. For Strasser, it is like 30 minutes from Harlem. Many of the actors stay in Stamford during the shoot. It also makes it easy for folks based in NYC. It is also great for filming urban locations, a small town “feel” or parks, beaches and greenery. I think that is the one thing PP did right. Log in to Reply gjr1969 May 21, 2013 Not a question of cutting them flack, it is a question of either succeeding or failing. If they go bankrupt, this won’t work. I want them around for many years. They film 15 minutes from me. Log in to Reply gjr1969 May 21, 2013 See, I always thought down the road the could approach ABC or Soapnet or Bravo and offer the shows to them. See, it’s a different story if ABC isn’t producing the shows. If ABC put the shows on late night, with a delay of say one month, it would maybe work. But not with the 2-day a week stuff. Log in to Reply appleridge May 21, 2013 According to Nelson Branco’s SU issue 70 @AllMyChildren & @OneLifeToLive cost 80,000 an episode to produce. Actors are paid a weekly rate. I understand the reason for the episode reduction/airing change more now. 80,000 per episode is the cost and actors are paid weekly. Well they have been pulling 18 hr days plus that shhould make PP have to pay actors at least time and half on those days. So they are probably spending more than they thought. So the episode order was reduced and 2 days airing so the episodes stretch over a longer period of time. Giving the shows more time to find an audience Log in to Reply appleridge May 21, 2013 From the @AllMyChildren Facebook but also applies to @OneLifeToLive as well: Hey When the demand grows for more episodes we have the ability to readjust quickly. The demand of episodes is measured by viewership of each episode. Hope this helps. Log in to Reply betterthanever May 21, 2013 But you aren’t paying to watch them only. You are paying to own them. Which when you think of it,is considerably cheaper than buying a DVD of a show. Log in to Reply betterthanever May 21, 2013 Soapnet is on the way out.Not many cable providers even carry it anymore. And really would you want ABC,the same network that cancelled it and treated their employees like trash to have it’s hands on it again? Hell,they wouldn’t even let Agnes Nixon in the building. Log in to Reply Everett May 21, 2013 I was able to watch my first episode of the new All My Children on iTunes Canada today! Up until now I had to watch it on a site that I found online. I do not have a tv so watching it on FX Canada was not an option for me. I am happy to spend $9.99 to get a show I have enjoyed since 1983 back even though I could continue watching it for free on the site I found. 2 episodes a week is enough to keep me wanting more. Log in to Reply RealityCheck 33 May 21, 2013 Really, some of the comments here by the diehard OLTL and AMC fanatics are delusional and pathetic. I want to see the shows succeed, but you have to look at reality. These shows are a business and if you don’t get the distribution needed to meet your business plan, it will fail. Money is the name of the game. PP has miscalculated on distribution which will impact the bottom line revenue in a bad way. It cannot be sustained. I hope this can be corrected. It will be challenging for them to meet a weekly payroll to continue on an ongoing basis. Quit acting like spoiled children. Hope for the best. Log in to Reply appleridge May 21, 2013 Its funny some are saying it has no money when they dont even know anything about their prod costs. So why dont the ones that are demanding shows be 5 days a week an hour each or nothing stop being CHILDISH. Take your own advice reality Check Log in to Reply EricasEvilTwin May 22, 2013 i absolutely want the shows to survive and i take no pleasure in seeing this, but I cant see how are some are calling this anything but a bad sign. I also find myself seriously pissed at pp. If they knew that going to two days a week was even remotely a possibility they should NEVER have gone to the matt over the three actors on gh. It reeks as a money grab. They have WAY too many actors for one hour a week. They should have let starr and john go and negotiated as to todd. all the did was turn gh in to a mess and still oltl may not make it. WTH were they thinking. Log in to Reply ItsJustDonnaLee May 22, 2013 [quote=thecourt99] I think there are a lot of unrealistic expectations going around.[/quote] Then they should not have promised so much at once in the first place. Say I’m going for a doctor’s position and I am only qualified to be a nurse, the people that hire me based on my false promises would be pissed (and would have every right to be). Think of eBay…if I promise to deliver my product to you with same day shipping after you paid for it and counted on it to be there for your sister’s wedding, and then I didn’t follow through – I’d get a bad rating from you. No one would say that in either of these scenarios the expectations are unrealistic. What pisses people off is that they broke their promise and the last time they broke a promise to us soap fans, they also broke our hearts. THERE IS NO WAY that they wouldn’t have realized BEFORE the shows aired that the task was too ‘Herculean’. Why make empty promises THEN take the episodes away? Log in to Reply ItsJustDonnaLee May 22, 2013 [quote=gjr1969]The only thing I will disagree with you about here is your description of Connecticut. I live in Connecticut and am about 15 minutes away from where they film in Stamford. You should ask the people who really live in the state before you make these proclamations. Yes, we had some bad luck with Sandy and Irene but we also have had 3-4 extremely mild winters. We’ve maybe had 3-4 bad snow days all winter. It never snows really until January, so if the shows are in 5 week or 8 week cycles, this is likely to impact each show minimally (no I can’t guaranty every winter will be like that) Beyond that, Stamford is a very good location because it is easily accessible from NYC. It is an easy commute for Slezak and, what I hear, also Canary. For Strasser, it is like 30 minutes from Harlem. Many of the actors stay in Stamford during the shoot. It also makes it easy for folks based in NYC. It is also great for filming urban locations, a small town “feel” or parks, beaches and greenery. I think that is the one thing PP did right.[/quote] I have lived in Connecticut for 35 years (just so you know), and last February school was out for one week and the state was shut down while we dealt with Storm Nemo/Charlotte. My car was buried under THREE feet of snow! In 2011 Halloween was cancelled due to a freak snowstorm named Albert. In 2012 Halloween was cancelled for Sandy. Irene occurred on 8/28/11 – not winter. School is getting out on June 21st this year because we lost over 15 days to snow, the first of which was NOVEMBER 8th – not January. I have only witnessed two “non-white” Christmases since my birth in 1978 (six months after another record-breaking blizzard), blowing your theory out of the water! Our weather is really screwy! I had heat on last week when we reached overnight lows of 38 degrees, and today my home registered at 84 degrees. You must live in a pretty, heated bubble if you live in Connecticut – for real… Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel Reply You must be logged in to post a comment.