Ratings, Rants and Raves: New Women 18-49 Low For General Hospital





General Hospital's post-50th anniversary ratings slump continued the week of July 1-5 (Source: Soap Opera Network). The ABC Daytime drama dropped 121,000 total viewers over the previous week. However, GH was still up 90,000 over this time last year. The sudser was in last place in households, women viewers aged 18-49 and all key demos (tying Days of Our Lives among W18-34).

In story, Carly (Laura Wright) tried to force Morgan (Bryan Craig) to move out of the house of horrors that has become the Quartermaine mansion. Kiki (Kristen Alderson) lusted after Cousin Michael (Chad Duell), while getting busy with his brother. Alexis (Nancy Lee Grahn) and Shawn (Sean Butler) argued about their chemistry-devoid relationship. Okay, they really argued about his work for Sonny (Maurice Benard), but they should have been dealing with the aforementioned much larger issue!

Luke (Anthony Geary) left town to find a cure. Laura (Genie Francis) and Lulu (Emme Rylan) got all up in Tracy's (Jane Elliot) grill. Olivia (Lisa LoCicero) moved into the Corinthos compound. Nikolas (Tyler Christopher) agreed to bankroll Deception 2.0 and Britt (Kelly Thiebaud) barbecued Emma's (Brooklyn Rae Silzer) pissy baby doll.

Still way too much Francophrenia (Roger Howarth) on GH these days. I'd bet money if this character was backburnered and retooled, while moving the AJ (Sean Kanan)/Liz (Rebecca Herbst)/Nikolas triangle to the front burner, the ratings would stabilize.

Thank the Soap Gods, Alexis and Shawn are dunzo. Bring back Rick Hearst, STAT!  Imagine Molly (Haley Pullos) learning the reason she had to grow up without a father, was because her big sister Sam (Kelly Monaco) mopped Alexis' floor with her bottom, while Rick served as her human Swiffer Wet Jet.

Speaking of Sam, she's much too sexy to be toting around a sick, ole' baby all summer. Let's hurry a miracle cure for Danny and get her back in ride-or-die mode. 

Sam is an action/adventure character. Her fan base fell in love with her against-all-odds escapades with Jason (Steve Burton). A domesticated Sam is an uninteresting Sam. She should be the one investigating Ava (Maura West), not silly Spinelli (Bradford Anderson) —especially if both women are to be romantic options for Dr. Silas Clay (Michael Easton).

I'm enjoying Kiki and the Brothers Corinthos, though I think the storyline needs another female to flesh it out a bit. Paging Serena Baldwin! Scotty (Kin Shriner) would be livid at the thought of one or more of Sonny's sons canoodling with his heiress daughter.

The teen story with Molly and Co. is nice enough, except they all look like babies. There isn't the same lust factor as when Jagger (Antonio Sabato, Jr.) was torn between Brenda (Vanessa Marcil) and Karen (Cari Shayne). Since we're on the subject of Jagger (Seriously, when are we not?), picture his taut, massive, veiny body grinding betwixt Sam's legs—her hooker boots high in the air—then they go off to take down Ava's art theft ring! 
 

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  1. Profile photo of cinicic
    cinicic

    When I saw Lucas and Adrienne together the other day, I thought…. What if, when Justin and Adrienne split and Justin becomes the new Bo (if the writers ever care enough to give Hope a relationship and a story) Adrienne and Lucas hit the sheets. Bring it on.

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    nysam

    When will TPTB at GH learn to put moer focus on the vets. You can’t tell me that Howarth and Easton come cheaper than Herbst, Hughes, Buchanan, Kanan.

    They also need to trim the cast. There are too many characters on the canvas.

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    Yoryla

    I utterly agree with the misuse of Abby! It matters not one iota who is playing the part – Abby has not had a front-burner storyline since she mowed down Tucker and Ashley took the blame. Abby is currently a D-list character at best. And this is a child of Victor Newman and Ashley Abbott, for Goodness sakes! How is this possible?

    Since the current Vicki Newman doesn’t seem to want to/ be able to step up to the plate, why not make Abby the new female power player of the Newman family? (This has been my wishful storytelling for two years now.) Have HER take pages out of dear old dad’s book and really go against Adam. Don’t have her become CEO in two days like Sharon did, but have her gradually work her way to heading up her own department – á la Victoria with Brash ‘n’ Sassy.

    And for Goodness sakes, get her some LEADING men! Not these throwaway newbies who should just sit there and look pretty and who the audience has no investment in.

    The idea of Lucas & Adrienne is excellent.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    I wish they would go in a totally different direction with franco. the tumor story is a huge mistake (if thats where they are going). I keep hoping we are going to find out that he is jimmy lee holts son alan holt who had surgery to look like franco in order to get what he sees as his rightful share of ELQ. The only way to address the videos is that maybe the entire plan was cooked up by heather and knowing that she had francos videos (and making her his mom at this time) she offered them for a piece of the proverbial pie.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    NYSam I think kanan is on quite a bit and now that he and carly on teaming up to get the goods on ava i expect them to go front burner. it wont surprise me when they hit the sheets again ;)

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    GHteenybopper

    It’s funny how RC no longer tweets about the ratings, and how the actors/actresses are no longer tweeting and telling us to “watch GH”. GH lost all momentum it had during the Nurse’s Ball, watching has become a chore.

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    The_Moustache

    ABC or someone over there got a hold of CarTini and told them to stop getting into fights on twitter/Facebook with the viewers and to stop getting accounts shut down because they don’t like the opinions.

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    The_Moustache

    GH needs and should fire the actors who play Franco, Spinelli, KiKi, Morgan, Dante, Olivia, Sabrina, Silas, Shawn, Felix, TJ, Taylor, and Epiphany.

    and focus on and write stories for the characters Monica, Lesley, Mac, Robert, Felicia, Lucy, Kevin.

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    soapjunkie88

    RC needs to be controled by someone. There is too much crazy stuff going on at once. And while the 80s and their campy style worked well back then, we have 2013 now. Soaps needs more relatable storylines.

    No one would even consider having Emily Thorne kidnapped by aliens or ask Jane Elliot to act like Joan Collins.
    A little reference to the past is nice but GH is overdoing it with almost cartoonish storytelling.

    No wonder the women are turning off their television or decide to watch something else.

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    liason4real

    I never bought Sam as a mother in the first place, since the character is suppose to be into action/adventure/PI stuff. It’s not necessary for every woman or man on a soap opera to have a kid. Speaking of children.

    Am I the only person annoyed that Ellie is now wanting to have a baby? Jeez. Why can’t a woman or man decide that they don’t want children instead of changing their minds three weeks later just to keep their current bed buddy?

    My main issue with Liz/AJ/Nik is the rewriting of what really happened with Niz in early 2010. Nik moved on with Brooklyn. Liz was pregnant and alone. Lucky moved on with Siobhan. Liz was not pining for Nik from 2010 until he showed up in 2013 and had already moved on with Ewen and Jason.

    The writing for Liz/AJ started off great and then went south after the nurses ball. The couple has had two dates since February!

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    david46208

    @Everyone: Like I said Ron needs a co-head writer to reel him in. He figured out he needed one at OLTL and needs to get one now. A veteran writer, who can balance him out. When JER was at GL he had other co-head writers there to keep him from turning the show into the Passions prequel. I’m just saying a co-Head Writer would work. That is my positive interjection into the Cartini fiasco!

    They better take my advice. Ron Carlivati is not a stand alone writer. I don’t know who yet, can come help him but he needs somebody.

    The Franken-Todd is just a symptom of the problem.

    Heck, even the Lord; is watching other things at the moment. He wants to see whose sinning on Days not the sin called General Hospital.

    Ron needs a come-to-Jesus moment and fast!

    He needs to be visited by 3 ghosts.

    The ghost of hacks past.
    The ghost of hacks present.
    And the ghost of cancellation future.

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    LaDivaYR

    Amen 100% with my girl Yoryla! Y&R is sinking.

    The throwaway newbies are a disgrace, starting with dead on arrival Dylan, Shaggy-lookalike Kyle and that boring pseudo-lawyer Melanie.

    The new Abby is kinda growing on me. You can tell she’s got some fire in her but the writing is atrocious. Others like Fen and Noah, plenty good looking and talented, are wasted sitting on the sidelines while the likes of zzzzAvery and zzzzChelsea suck the life out of the show.

    If not for Cray Cray Queen Sharon this show would be unwatchable! The storyline is shit but La Case is ***EVERYTHING*** right now.

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    david46208

    @everyone: Now let me get on Y&R for the moment, because they need some help too.

    Since she is free and available and has a history with the show, call up Sally Sussman Morina and have her join as a co-head writer or a story consultant again.

    Her crowning glory at Y&R was that she proposed the Phick affair. And given how she knows how to come in and write a show and understand its history and write to that history while being contemporary I’d say she could do for Y&R what Lorraine Brodrick has done for Days.

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    SoapArmageddon

    It’s been years since I’ve enjoyed B&B this much, but every day for the past couple of weeks I’ve actually been wishing that each episode lasted longer. It’s THAT GOOD.

    Days is almost as good as B&B, but it feels as though movement in the stories has slowed down quite a bit in the last couple of weeks.

    Y&R’s strong point right now is the acting by most of the major players. I just wish those major players did not include Steve Burton. It’s frustrating because shows need characters like Dylan, but we don’t need him featured as fast and as much as he has been.

    I’m optimistic that GH is going to get better soon. Ron C. has demonstrated in the past that he knows how to make course corrections.

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    stoney07

    Y&R’s biggest problem is Dylan McAvoy.

    If not for his story with Chelsea, and his all around boring aura…I wouldn’t find ANY of this show to be boring.

    Even the wasted Tyler, Abby, Noah…I find them interesting when SHOWN. I find the Tyler/Abby pairing to be fairly interesting with lots of potential.

    If we could just get rid of Dylan…and refocus that hole that would be, but SHOULDN’T be, left by him with Nikki or Jill. Then I’d say the show would be hitting pretty well.

    B&B is on fire.
    GH is horrible to me.
    DAYS I still don’t watch yet but I’mma try to get to it in my extra time.

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    Belinda

    The blame for the decline in viewers can be named: SONNY & Mob Violence. The mob beat down of Franco, even though I hate Franco, was not needed or wanted. I do believe it goes further than just that and can also be chalked up to the fact no matter how much we love RH, we can’t like Franco.

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    onnie

    Dylan is not working on YR at all. The writers are shoving him down our throats. Chelsea I feel is being destroyed to prop his boring ass. MCE is way to talented to prop a bland actor like SBU. Plus MCE is isoloated in that dump with him which sucks. Why are they not focousing on Chelsea’ fashion line? That would have been a much better story

    I also feel that writers forgot that Adam is the father of Chelsea’s baby? So why is Adam missing from this sl? That makes no sense. If Griffith wants this to be a triangle at least I think that is what he is writing then Chelsea needs to share equal screentime with Adam and Dylan not just holding Dylan hand in that ghetto ass sofa bed

    Also it is OOC for Adam bed any pussy in that comes his way

    GH is horrid for me right now

    Days and BB are fire

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    soapjunkie88

    Dylan and Chelsea are both ain’t working on Y&R. And both are shut down our throats again and again.

    Chelsea and her third pregnancy after being two years on the show tells as much as Dylan played like he’s been there for a decade.

    Not even to mention Steve Burton’s lack of acting abilities. But the man has a fan base and so has Melissa Claire Egan. So I guess Y&R viewers have to sit through this while the characters they really care about either are a shadow of their former self or are off-screen and if on-screen just supporting some stupid storyline.

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    david46208

    @soapjunkie88: That fan base sure is not coming out in full force. I believe the Steve Burton fan base is just as big as the Lame fan base. Just a small number of rabid fans who spam the web and that damn soap opera digest poll they think makes CK and DG popular.

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    brettyboy

    People are being too harsh on GH, it’s had a tricky few weeks but has been the best soap for over a year now.

    As for B&B, I’ve spent the last 2 years wondering why I still watch; right now I’m 50/50, love the Batie story, but want to throw something at my TV every time I see Hope, nothing would make me happier than for her to be killed off.

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    DevinMissesOLTL

    [quote=The_Moustache]GH needs and should fire the actors who play Franco, Spinelli, KiKi, Morgan, Dante, Olivia, Sabrina, Silas, Shawn, Felix, TJ, Taylor, and Epiphany.

    and focus on and write stories for the characters Monica, Lesley, Mac, Robert, Felicia, Lucy, Kevin.[/quote]

    Well I thought they already got rid of Epiphany!? Hell…I ain’t seen her since Jesus was a baby Lol!!!

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    pjc722

    It’s been close to a month since I turned off GH on my DVD settings and I can say the urge to watch it has waned dramatically! And from this rants n raves I can see I haven’t missed much. And once someone lets me know abt someone back burnered and better story written than I will be back.

    Y&R is great and then the next scene is Dylan. I’m not sure if the same writers are writing Chelsea’s story and summers story but one would think Jill would have said “wait wait TWO STORIES ABT PATERNITY can’t be told at once!!!” Honestly, today’s episode was all abt summer and people finding out nicks secret and then Chelsea lying through her teeth about the true paternity of her seedling! It’s makes no sense. Plus I no longer am rooting for Chelsea and actually can’t wait for Dylan to leave town and Chelsea to go with him.

    Plus, for a macho ex military guy he is awfully gossipy. Seriously Avery why are you hinting abt nicks secret to Dylan and not just saying “listen dylan this is none of your business. Please don’t ask again.”

    I’m on the fence abt Sharon and think that her destruction has something to do with the ratings decline as well.

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    THEGREATCOUPLESAREGONE

    See you should write for this show your ideas are fantastic. I think the shows characters need to be balanced and there is to much of franco at the expense of vets. I LOVE GH but I miss Duke Anna Robert and my other GH favourites. Sorry but Franco is not needed on all the time. He was meant to be a villian not a screen hog who is on almost all the time. They also need to defintely retool the character. THe character is a walking mess all over the place. I passed through a couple of hospital waiting rooms the other day people seen that franco turn it off and started laughing about who in the world writes this junk. They were laughing with the writer but at him and they don’t see it. People constantly tell them because they don’t want their show to die. They have no hidden agenda. They just want the show to get better, but no one listens. I am starting to warm up to Silas but he is not on as much. You have to give viewers a chance for new characters not shove them down the viewers throats. Also agree firery sam needs to come back spinlii can side kick but let sam head off the investigations and jagger and sam would be hot
    thanks for your input — wish they listen to you or anybody for that matter

    If it is broke fix it. GH is broke and someone should definely fix it. ASAP

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    THEGREATCOUPLESAREGONE

    See you should write for this show your ideas are fantastic. I think the shows characters need to be balanced and there is to much of franco at the expense of vets. I LOVE GH but I miss Duke Anna Robert and my other GH favourites. Sorry but Franco is not needed on all the time. He was meant to be a villian not a screen hog who is on almost all the time. They also need to defintely retool the character. THe character is a walking mess all over the place. I passed through a couple of hospital waiting rooms the other day people seen that franco turn it off and started laughing about who in the world writes this junk. They were laughing with the writer but at him and they don’t see it. People constantly tell them because they don’t want their show to die. They have no hidden agenda. They just want the show to get better, but no one listens. I am starting to warm up to Silas but he is not on as much. You have to give viewers a chance for new characters not shove them down the viewers throats. Also agree firery sam needs to come back spinlii can side kick but let sam head off the investigations and jagger and sam would be hot
    thanks for your input — wish they listen to you or anybody for that matter

    If it is broke fix it. GH is broke and someone should definely fix it. ASAP

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    pjc722

    Thanks SAM! Just had a lot to say and not a lot of time to say it.

    And it’s tiring being disgruntled!

    Hope everyone is having a great summer!!!

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    sweetiepie

    It seems to me that the writers went on autopilot after the nurse’s ball. They started what seemed to me like good stories, and either stalled them or ignored them altogether. Unlike those primetime shows that are mediocre at best, at least we know that they are temporary.

    With GH I just feel we are in a holding pattern. We still don’t know why they dropped Lulus’ kidnapping, or why it was so important for Britt to snag Patrick. What is the reason for the Disney Princess aka Sabrina to be instantly in love with the adorable but increasingly bratty Emma, and equally smitten with Prince Charming aka Patrick.

    Please do not get me started with the OLTL trio. Todd is still Todd just a new name, there is still the same father/daughter dynamic between he and Starr/Kiki. Silas is still John McBain with a stethoscope instead of a badge. I really want to like the character, because I loved McBam, but frankly I am bored. I would like to see Michael Easton would bring some of Caleb Morleys swagger to Silas game.

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    david46208

    @everyone: I have been looking around the web to see the response to GH’s overall ratings decline. From the looks of things 90% of the fans online want to tar and feather Ron and Frank in the town square.

    There is also rumblings that the press is catering to Ron and Frank like they appeared to cater to Maria Bell at a time.

    That has given me a bright idea. A bright idea. But then I digress…

    This is one case though where the overall ratings are matching the online outrage.

    It’s like for every one person who says, “I like it” it is about 20 saying hell to the naw!

    Now I know we don’t use the online retortic as a basis for the success or failure of a show. Yet, the two are melding together. Just take a look:

    GH 2013 monthly averages:

    Jan 2013 2,834,200
    Feb 2013 2,777,500
    Mar 2013 2,612,750
    Apr 2013 2,668,200 <– 50th anniv/Nurses Ball
    May 2013 2,550,750
    Jun 2013 2,500,000

    So it ain’t just Franken-Todd.

    Here is my honest assessment.

    Frank and Ron brought back all these vets to rope fans in. It was not just for the 50th anniversary. They figured if we bring back the people fans know and love they’ll tune in. And once we got them they will be drawn to the other stories we have going on and many will remain. They figured they could build off of that.

    And yet the ratings were declining before the 50th anniverary special. And saw a slight bump in the ratings during the month in which it aired.

    Notice in Janauary they averaged close to 3 millions viewers and from there it was down hill.

    Here is the loss and gain by month since January:

    February = -56,000
    March = -164,750
    April = +55,540
    May = -117,450
    June = -50,750

    Now those are the numbers in total viewers. We can say that the ratings decline has to do with more than just Franken-Todd. So we can stop pushing that as the excuse now. :glasses:

    Anyways, they teased the fans with these characters and then put them in closet hoping they would adapt to these new characters and stories they are trying to pass off as stellar creativity.

    Thus from the looks of things it ain’t worked. I’m just saying the numbers don’t lie.

    You can also see the number of new characters added since May.

    Kristen Alderson as Kiki – May 2013
    Michael Easton as Silas – May 2013
    Roger Howarth as Franco – May 2013
    Maura West as Ava – May 2013
    Bryan Craig as Adult Morgan – May 2013
    Nicolas Bechtel as Spencer – May 2013
    Samantha Logan as Taylor – June 2013
    William deVry as Derek – July 2013

    Anyone notice a pattern here? That is a total of 8 characters. 6 within the same month.

    So I don’t expect a cookie because i’m taking the jar! :steve:

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    david46208

    @The_Moustache: That actor will be starting in August and you know it. :|

    It will be One Life To Live last half of 2009 all over again!

    I like my cookie Jar gold plated please! :steve:

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    liason4real

    [quote=The_Moustache]the guy that plays Felix gave an interview with GayStarNews

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/actor-confident-his-gay-character-abcs-general-hospital-will-get-love-interest160713

    a clip: “But will Felix ever have a love interest of his own? ‘He will, he definitely will,’ Samuel says. ‘I don’t know anything yet but that’s what it sounds like will happen. I think overall that’s what they’d like to see.”[/quote]

    ======
    Thanks for the article. It would have been nice if the actor had been cast as Tommy Hardy Jr. Tommy could have been paired with Dr. Lucas Jones. Taylor could have been sent to her grandmother (Audrey) for the summer.

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    Jamey Giddens

    David, you have your own cookie jar, at your own site. This cookie jar belongs to Luke and me. Don’t get it twisted. Numerous readers disagree with us all the time on a myriad of things, which we more than welcome, yet you are one of the few who likes to make everything a “whip out your unit” contest. If you know so much, good for you. Go make your site pop. But if you are going to post here, you are going to be respectful and stop @ing everyone everytime u feel the need to try to prove a point. It’s getting old again, and this isn’t up for debate. Make whatever comments you need to make, but do so in a respectful manner. Last time I’ll be saying this.

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    SparkleLJJ

    As far as GH goes, I love Felix. I’m glad there is finally an interesting, funny AA character on daytime. And I think his sister, Taylor is gorgeous. I’m glad there is finally some diversity on GH. Also, I love Roger Holwarth. I hope they can find a way to make his character someone to route for. I agree with Jamey, they need to bring back the simple things…romance, love triangles, cat fights, and power plays that is not so convoluted.

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    THEGREATCOUPLESAREGONE

    Your ideas are fantastic you should write for this show. It is so sad to see where this show is headed and I once loved GH so much. There are to many new characters on the show and the vets and long time core cast members are underutilized. There is to much Franco. He is an airhog who is on all the time they should just call the show general franco they are always talking about him if he is not on. He needs to be retooled he is not working. Sam like you said also needs some fire again and be investigating and you put the image of her and jagger in my mind and all i can think is hot hot hot
    I am warming up to silas but he is not on as much. It takes time to warm up to new characters and if they are shoved down your throat constantly then it won’t work. The thing is people try to tell this to the writers not to be mean cause WE LOVE OUR SHOW AND DON’T WANT IT CANCELLED. I have been trying to hang on our of loyally to the show I have watched since the beginning but I am not watching as much as I use to. It is not a priority any more, and I see how other fans feel. I was doing rounds the other day and passed through 3 hospital waiting areas and I seen GH was on. Some guy turned it off and said I not watching. The area that was watching they were laughing at the who the people are who write this “GARBAGE” and they were laughing with them they were laughing at them it is so sad. Think they want to be the best they can be. They are also laughing at Franco and it hard to hook people in if they are not taking the character seriously cause that means they don’t care about the character and are not taking him very seriously. You need fans behind your character not laughing at the stupidity of it. They need less characters and more developed characters. Get rid of some of the new ones and focus on the core characters and tell their stories and then viewers will come back to the show they love. However, the writers and ABC better hurry before they realize GH is no longer important to them and are gone for good. I wish they listen to somebody the fans, soap writers like you somebody but if they don’t get their act together soon it will be too late. I loved the show forever I love their struggles stories Robin’s HIV, BJ heart, dom dying, and so many beautiful love stories — PLEASE PUT THE HEART AND LOVE BACK INTO GH AND FORGET THESE GLIMICKS THEY DON’T WORK. It destroying the core of the show. PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR FANS — WE ARE THE ONES WHO WATCH.
    Thank you for reading.

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    lightbringer

    Ya’ll know how I feel about Y&R and what needs to be done to fix it…it is good that others are finally seeing the “light” ie Sally Morina.

    But all changes start at the top:JFP!

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    logan_echolls

    [quote=Belinda]The blame for the decline in viewers can be named: SONNY & Mob Violence. The mob beat down of Franco, even though I hate Franco, was not needed or wanted. I do believe it goes further than just that and can also be chalked up to the fact no matter how much we love RH, we can’t like Franco.[/quote]
    __________________

    Sorry Belinda, you can’t blame the mob on this. These ratings are for July 1-5, there was no mob violence that week. Franco just got beat up last week and Ava shot at Franco in June.

    These ratings are like this because you can’t take a serial killer who terrorized our faves (Liz, Sam, Jason, Sam’s baby, Lulu, Michael) and turn him into the white Bernie Mac! It’s not working. Like Jamey has mentioned in a blog, why is a serial killer even trying to get ELQ? So what he has 15% shares. No one Quatermaines are going to side with him! Also no board would vote for him! It makes no sense.

    What they have done to Sam is borderline evil! Yeah Sam cried for a baby for years but that doesn’t mean it changes Sam into an entirely different person. I’m still pissed they did that to Alexis. Turned her from a strong woman to this person I really don’t recognize. Everyone on soaps are hypocrites but Alexis took it to the next level that week getting moral on Shawn when SHE is Sonny’s lawyer, the person who keeps Sonny out of jail so he can continue to committee crimes!

    The ratings were down a little from the NB but they were still up and the majority of the time AJ/Liz/Nik was onscreen. That is a great triangle and Ron just forgot about it to write for his newbie characters. They are writing all the vet characters like idiots. Yeah Spinelli was always a little off but now the boy is plain stupid! I would love to know how Ron ever thought a playboy who cheated on his wife because she wanted to help with the HIV/AIDS crisis in Africa is a Prince Charming. When did this happen? Where is the real Maxie? Just because she’s pregnant doesn’t mean the Maxie we know and loved has disappeared. And WHY WHY WHY is a 20 somethings with a great career wanting babies? Like it was mentioned in comments, why Ellie got to want a baby? Why are any of these 20 somethings craving babies. That’s not a reflection of society nowadays. In soaps now 20 yr olds get pregnant by accident!

    Lookin for the minions…….LOL

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    katehhoward

    [quote=The_Moustache]GH needs and should fire the actors who play Franco, Spinelli, KiKi, Morgan, Dante, Olivia, Sabrina, Silas, Shawn, Felix, TJ, Taylor, and Epiphany.

    and focus on and write stories for the characters Monica, Lesley, Mac, Robert, Felicia, Lucy, Kevin.[/quote]

    I am AA and I think that your suggestion of getting rid of all the AA on GH is offensive. Tosuggest that we white wash GH truly speaks volumes of who you are. Not all the AA actors are horrible. The actor portraying TJ originated from prime time television, and so did Taylor.

    During this time of white men being allowed to kill unarmed AA minding their own business..you suggesting that they get rid of these AA makes no sense. Why should they get rid of them? What have they done that has been so bad that you see no point to them being on the show? throwing in some white actors is like saying Zimmerman tutored two black boys therefore he is not a racist.

    Your post was hateful and disturbing and it should be flagged as offensive.

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    logan_echolls

    @Katehoward,what is going on with you!?

    So because The_Mustache (who may be a minority you don’t know) wants those characters gone doesn’t mean they hate Blacks. Then to bring the George Zimmerman trial into this is so uncalled for.

    Sites like this and soaps are an escape from the harsh realities of life that we deal with everyday. Yeah it hurts that GZ was let go and it scares me because I have two brothers but I’m not going to come on a soap site and use that to blast someone because they don’t like characters who just so happen to be Black.

    What about Morgan, Kiki, Silas, Dante, Olivia, Spinelli, are you going to say The_Mustache is prejudice against brunettes?

    I would say think before you type but think before you type! Maybe you like Kate Howard so much because you have the same mental illness as her. Your “Connie” comes out when you come on this site to post.

    You got me so upset now I have to go on twitter and take a peek at that twitpic of Big Brother’s Howard’s “third leg” to calm me down.

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    Ravennite613

    Logan – I was so ready to agree with everything you said Re: Katehoward than you brought up Howard BB and a “third leg” and lost all train of thought

    Please point me in the right direction (pun intended)

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    ANGELWENDY15

    I definetly think Ron C needs a co-writer, preferably a female. I have said this for months but what is wrong with GH and what is missing is ROMANCE!!! They have to do something soon because the ratings just aren’t improving. I know Tony Geary and Genie Francis are older, and Geary seems not to want to go back to the Luke and Laura days, BUT, THOSE DAYS WERE WHEN THE SOAPS WERE THE BEST. It was the romance that kept viewers watching, not the action stories.
    I am getting disillusioned with all the soaps and if and when GH gets cancelled then I am done with soaps. I watch Y & R but am finding that show boring and Steve Burton is so dull as Dylan. Miss the old days of soaps.

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    pferrando

    I don’t think you can compare what’s happening at GH to YR at all. Sounds like completely different problems, and their ratings seem to reflect that.

    YR hasn’t been trending down for months, like GH.

    Of course, I want JFP gone…but the writing is much more solid than it’s been in a long time. And with the exception of the Dylan character, I’m pretty much liking it all.

    Hardly sinking IMO.

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    Jamey Giddens

    Neither Y&R or GH are sinking ships in the ratings. All of the major trades have done ratings reports of late that show all four daytime soaps are up over the previous quarter. GH, though slumping since the 50th, was reported by industry bible Broadcasting & Cable as having better sustained ratings than the past five years. Y&R is also up over the previous regime’s ratings. Those are the reports the people who cancel the shows go by.

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    angrierblackerman

    Don’t forget that Jean Passanante is also an associate head writer on GH. She is a horrible writer and I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those goose eggs and ideas are her doing.

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    SoapArmageddon

    In katehoward’s defence, it must be said that this is at least the third time that The_Moustache has written a post that called for letting go of each and every AA cast member of GH and/or of Y&R. Does nobody else find that telling?

    And it doesn’t matter one bit if he/she is a member of a minority group.

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    katehhoward

    What about Morgan, Kiki, Silas, Dante, Olivia, Spinelli, are you going to say The_Mustache is prejudice against brunettes?

    throwing in some white actors is like saying Zimmerman tutored two black boys therefore he is not a racist.

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    thecourt99

    So do we ignore his requests to get rid of Franco, Spinelli, KiKi, Morgan, Dante, Olivia, Sabrina, and Silas to fit our narrative?

    While I don’t agree with the Mustache, I see where he is coming from.

    Ephiphany is barely an active character. She was on yesterday for the first time in months. She hasn’t had her own story in years. I can understand her being on the list. I have heard many people saying that she should go. I love her, but I get it.

    Shawn…I see many people calling for him to leave out of sheer disappointment in the story. There was a potential for Shawn to do anything, he was a blank slate. Instead, he is Sonny’s lackey…you know…after he wanted to work at the diner to be a good example for TJ.

    Felix – I don’t care about this character at all

    TJ – I love him. I don’t see why anyone wouldn’t want to see him on their screens. I just need better writing for him. Maybe TPTB are not capable.

    Taylor – I don’t care about her either.

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    katehhoward

    Thank you and Mr. Bernard has also brought that question up. This individual has in the past made the same statement and it speaks volume of what kind of belief they hold. Once again people who are racist will never out right admit to be racist. A good amount of viewers love Epiphany and to add her to the list of the people they need to cut makes no sense.

    I would like to know whom The_Moustache would like to remain on the show? I am 99.9% positive it would not be an African American.

    My posts are not ridiculous I speak facts and this soap blog is an escape but to come here and read a post suggesting they get rid of all the blacks in Port Charles is like the Nazi saying get rid of the Jews, Gays, Black, everyone accept “pure bloods”. That is not the real world And if any show is trying to be universal they need BLACK ACTORS. Most of the time they are not even the leads. An all white show like GH use to be, does not relate to the world we live in. I also recall this person wanting TJ and Molly to be split and this person was also one of the primary advocates for the break up of Alexis and Shawn.

    Many like to pretend not to be aware of the way things are but its time to WAKE UP!!!! That type of post is unacceptable.

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    thecourt99

    [quote=katehhoward]What about Morgan, Kiki, Silas, Dante, Olivia, Spinelli, are you going to say The_Mustache is prejudice against brunettes?

    throwing in some white actors is like saying Zimmerman tutored two black boys therefore he is not a racist.[/quote]

    Really?? He put them all in the same statement. It not like someone threw those characters in after the fact to make a point.

    I know nothing about the posters on this site other than their likes and dislikes regarding soap characters. To me, that isn’t enough to determine a person’s preference in real life. If someone wants all mob all the time, I can’t assume that they are made men in real life. That’s just me.

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    katehhoward

    Then suggest that they write better materials for the AA characters. Listen your claim about the other actors is irrelevant. My point is YOU at least said TJ is a good character. This person again recommended they get rid of all the blacks on GH and Y&R if that’s not suspect I don’t know what is.

    Again I put the question out there, who would this person like them to keep on GH?

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    Cornfed

    Jamey — LET’S ALL PRAISE JAMEY — who has THE BALLS to set the truth free re: Shawn and Alexis: THIS COUPLE HAS ZERO CHEMISTRY! Thank you Jamey for keeping it real! And ditto re: the ratings. Glad someone here can be agenda-free ;)

    Still not watching GH, and not missing it. But love your column Jamey!

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    SoapArmageddon

    [quote=katehhoward]…. Listen your claim about the other actors is irrelevant. …[/quote]

    Completely. Getting rid of those other characters does nothing to affect the diversity on the show one way or the other.

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    katehhoward

    OMG I totally agree they did not share any chemistry until they were breaking up…lol. My god there is so much behind even that story. But again too many juror 37 types in America. My message is lost and excuses persist all the time. Fear is what keeps us close minded and perpetuates the structural racism around this country.

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    Cornfed

    [quote=david46208]@everyone: Since she is free and available and has a history with the show, call up Sally Sussman Morina and have her join as a co-head writer or a story consultant again. And given how she knows how to come in and write a show and understand its history and write to that history while being contemporary I’d say she could do for Y&R what Lorraine Brodrick has done for Days.[/quote]

    Kudos David! One CANNOT underestimate what Lorraine Broderick is doing over at Days. Scenes have become way more complicated and complex than we’d ever have expected at this soap. It’s improved 100% over the past year.

    The bad news for Ron is that Jean Passanante is ALREADY on his writing staff :( , so whatever perceived good she did for him at OLTL sure as heck ain’t working on GH.

    I think Sobrina and Felix could be saved from the ax ONLY if Sobrina isn’t such a whiner and is moved into a younger set, and Fee has his OWN story and not a busybody in 10 ppl’s lives at once. There are PLENTY of actors to be axed that can make room for Blake Hood as Lucas Jones on that show. As well as Will and Sonny are doing on NBC i can’t see ABC giving CarToony a big problem with this.

    And last but not least — like i said from the beginning — REMOVE FRODD from this show, and back burner RoHo big time in some other role. What a shame it is that Lulu has become a nonentity as played by Emme Rylan, something else i predicted.

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    david46208

    @Jamey Giddens: Here is my question. If the ratings have been decreasing since January (and it has). Doesn’t that contradict the narrative that GH has been slumping since the 50th? Because I’m trying to understand how the February and March decreases don’t count?

    Also the April increase really did not amount to a major bump in the ratings since it was nearly less than 200k away from being 3 million viewers in January.

    So if you can explain to me your logic here. I would appreciate it.

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    Jamey Giddens

    So if you can explain to me your logic here. I would appreciate it.
    ***
    My logic was explained by Broadcasting & Cable and Variety, David. I’m not going to keep getting into some ratings debate with you. I’ve already posted the articles citing GH’s ratings triumphs. According to Nielsen and the trades, GH has gained over the last three quarters. You can come up with all the math projects you want, doesn’t change what the industry bibles are reporting.

    They don’t use your math to assess these shows, but I have a strong suspicion, they know what they’re talking about.

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    Cornfed

    Also happy to see PJC :party: and shout outs to nysam and yorla!

    DOOL still on my dvr, had to rush thru Mon’s ep to clear some memory, but i do think Eileen overdid her scenes at the church with Nicole/Zukor, but i’m still a fan. Need to see more of Marlena and less of Dannifer, that’s my main complaint with DOOL now. Surely Whitesell/Tomlin/Brodderick can find something better for Deidre Hall to do, but in the meantime i’ll glad take Judi Evans front burner, i gave her a shout-out yesterday btw…

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    Jamey Giddens

    Furthermore, @David. Stop @ing me. I do not wish to engage with you. You pissed me off royally, not to mention the rest of my staff, with that ridiculous rant about Agnes in the comment thread for the recent podcast.

    No one on that podcast EVER said Ron was a better writer than Agnes. That conversation never came up, yet you hop in every post trying to cause chaos with outrageous rhetoric. I told you before, you can feel free to keep posting here, but stop @ing me.

    You come on here and you link your own content back to your website, and until now we’ve turned a blind eye, but your obnoxious behavior is getting out of hand again. Others on my team already wanted to ban you again. I am trying to give you the benefit of being passionate, but you need to cool it.

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    Cornfed

    @logan — “the white Bernie Mac” — :D :D :D Now that’s a good one. No kidding. HUGE misfire. Dying to see CarToony take their losses on this one and move forward!

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    TV Gord

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]Neither Y&R or GH are sinking ships in the ratings. All of the major trades have done ratings reports of late that show all four daytime soaps are up over the previous quarter. GH, though slumping since the 50th, was reported by industry bible Broadcasting & Cable as having better sustained ratings than the past five years. Y&R is also up over the previous regime’s ratings. Those are the reports the people who cancel the shows go by.[/quote]

    Thank you! :-)

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    Yoryla

    It’s not correct to claim that The Moustache or anyone else who wants to get rid of these people would think it’s because they’re AA. The reason these people are utter newbies and/or people who have no connections to the canvas and/or serve really no purpose. The fact is the GH cast IS too big, and it would behoove them to let some people go. I don’t even think of the ethnicity of these people when I say who should be let go. The biggest problem is in the writing. The writers tend to write the AA characters in an isolated way. The problem is the show hasn’t introduced and woven into the canvas these aforementioned characters in a way that has fully gelled.

    A good example of an AA character that worked, and was not isolated, was Dr. Simone Hardy. She was never (at least by me) considered the “mandatory AA character” or the “AA Hardy”, but just “a member of the Hardy family”, “the wife of Tom Hardy, and the daughter-in-law of the iconic Steve and Audrey Hardy”. At least this is the way I have always seen it.

    Isn’t all this “these are the AA characters”, “these are the gay characters”, “these are the Asian-A characters” exactly the kind of labeling we don’t want to see on the soaps? Then why should we engage to it ourselves? Equality works both ways – if you want to have equal rights to all, then it also has to be equal risks to all.

    But from katehhoward I can except anything. Lol.

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    giogio

    I just read all these comments today. Jamey, Love you to death, but you need to really think about losing a few people here. some stuff is not opinion.

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    tori87dec

    Bring back the wonderfully talented and sexy Stephen Nichols as Stefan and I’d start watching again. Hate the Laura/Scott/Luke storyline,the shows done and redone it so many times it’s been done to death. The only man who truly cherished/loved Laura was Stefan and SN/GF chemistry is hot and so much more interesting then sticking her back together with old man Luke who looks like her grandfather or whiny Scott. The Cassadines rock and I’m loving the return of Nikolas and the resurrection of Stavros beautifully placed by Robert Kelker Kelly was an added bonus. Alexis needs her brother back and Nikolas needs his uncle/father. When the producers wake up to that gold mind of characters interacting I’ll return. Genie Francis deserves so much more then the stupid storylines she’s given and to finally be able to move on from the two old crows they keep hooking her up with!

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    Cyberologist

    Well they did this to Elizabeth twice the same can be said when she had said she was done with Lucky she didn’t feel passionate towards him and all that then without any story to back it up she does a complete 180 and she’s pining for Lucky….

    I mean Ron says she was mismanaged and I agree my thing now is what is he going to do about it. The same thing happened to imply that “Liz screwed Nik over”

    She didn’t she never led him on she told him from jump what she felt guilty about their previous relationship and couldn’t get past it. But I thought Nik explained it more than once in dialog, he said he couldn’t stop thinking about her while he was gone its not like he was still with Brooklyn they went their separate ways years before he left with his son.

    I get where you’re coming from…this is why there is a “team” of writers to keep up with this kind of thing…doesn’t the writer of continuity deal with this also?

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Yorla on the one hand i see your point – these just happen to be the moustache’s picks as to how to trim the cast and the argument could be framed as they are all relative newbies.

    On the other hand, its been my experience that often the same people that say the cast is too big, lets trim THESE people form the list, have zero issue adding in someone if it adds story for their favorite cast member or if it involves the theoretical hiring of someone they love from another show.

    So interesting that the newbie rant not only includes ALL the AA characters, it doesnt include ava (who is getting just as much air time if not more than todd) and it doesnt mention the arrival of WDV or the potential arrival of Peter Reckell and/or michelle stafford, but it does mention getting rid of dante spin and olivia who all have been with the show i want to say going on five years or so now if not more.

    Or you have the person who says the newbies are getting too much time, but again only focus on the oltl 3 and have nothing to say about the other newbies, especially sabrina who damn near at the show whole for six months including the week of the anniversary.

    or you have the person who objects to a storyline only to propose nearly the same story as what plays out or is rumored to play out only to suggest nearly an identical story just focusing on one vet instead of another or tying the character in to one family instead of another etc. etc.

    If someone frames their argument as being an anti this or that rant and i can think of a bunch of different examples where their espoused thinking is inconsistent then yeah i do sort of question whether or not the motivation is as above board as all of that.

    That said, kate, really George frickin zimmerman. Really this is neither the time nor the place for that discussion nor is it right to suggest that someone is perpetuating a violent world because someone might not happen to like certain characters on a soap. Racism is a very real and very important problem in the world but not every one is a secret racist. Before you hurl around an accusation like that, you better be 110% sure you are correct.

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    EricasEvilTwin

    Jamey – perhaps you can speak to this. I am still hearing that gh is simply crushing it when it comes to online viewing. (i think the abc app is the best network app running) Moreover im not sure where on demand viewing fits in but i know that gh is now available on demand where the other soaps are not.

    Given that, what impact might my ability to watch through alternate means be having on these numbers and does the network look at the overall picture or just the ratings in this demo.

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    Jamey Giddens

    Jamey – perhaps you can speak to this. I am still hearing that gh is simply crushing it when it comes to online viewing. (i think the abc app is the best network app running) Moreover im not sure where on demand viewing fits in but i know that gh is now available on demand where the other soaps are not.

    Given that, what impact might my ability to watch through alternate means be having on these numbers and does the network look at the overall picture or just the ratings in this demo.
    ***
    From what I’ve been told online viewing is a very thin layer of icing on the cake. While it is definitely the future. Madison Avenue hasn’t been as quick in figuring out how to properly monetize online viewing, as viewers have been in consuming content.

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    Cornfed

    As far as Sabrina eating the show up to and/or including the anniversary:

    It seemed, IMO, to be not as bad, re: her crusade for the ball b/c it included either a) bringing Lucy back into the picture; b) hitting up Nic/Sonny/other vets for funding, etc. Plus I didn’t find her scenes to be of EPIC length, NOR did her scenes strictly focus on newbies, OR was her story branching out to effect EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER initially, as Frodd’s was. Frodd’s story, on the other hand, at first branched out to half of PC leading up the video show at the Haunted Star, and then afterward, revolved around Ava, Morgan, Kiki and himself. Just too much airtime with TOO MANY NEW (or despised) characters we don’t care about. I INCLUDE Ava in the aforementioned newbies, tho Maura West’s performances have been stellar most would agree and helped to make this jarring transition a tiny, tiny bit more bearable.

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    Dyllan

    What the hell does George Zimmerman have to do with GH ratings? Puhlzee!

    IMO, Y&R is not bad, but they really need to cut Dylan, Chelsea, and Avery’s airtime in half and the show would be rockin’!

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