DC #738: Rubber Ducky



On today's Daytime Confidential podcast Luke Kerr, Jamey Giddens, Jillian Bowe and Melodie Aikels dish the latest The Bold and the Beautiful, Days of Our Lives, General Hospital and The Young and the Restless headlines and storylines, including:

The Bold and the Beautiful casts Thorne's daughter, Alexandria Forrester. Everyone goes gaga over the Hope For the Future Diamond.

JJ learns the truth about Jack on Days of Our Lives. Sami finds out what EJ sacrificed to stop her trial and get her out of jail.

Robin and Robert Scorpio return to General Hospital. Lante finally learns the truth about Spixie's baby. Is Ava falling for Morgan?

Delia will make an eye-popping sacrifice on The Young and the Restless. The DC gang is surprised it took Jill Farren Phelps this long to scratch her kill-happy itch. Fen is a suspect in Carmine's death. Chelsea writes Dyldumb love letters.

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stoney07's picture
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I just can't with Y&R right now. I've TRIED. But the past few weeks have just been nauseating to me.

I miss the old days. I try to still be optimistic and see the positive, but there's very little positive for me right now.

1. I don't care about Dylan. I don't dislike him, I just don't care about him. He is NOT a leading character. He's barely a supporting character. He'd be a great extra. In the words of Regina George, "Stop trying to make Dylan happen. He's NOT going to happen!"

2. Sharon is psychotic. The character can not be redeemed on screen at this point. Her not taking meds is NOT a good enough excuse for her to be seeing her dead daughter's ghost for the past few months. Cassie was brought back to talk crap and fill her crazy ass mama's head with all kinds of nonsense.

3. The younger cast isn't being developed. Noah/Summer/Kyle/Fen/Abby/Tyler are ALL decent enough characters with tons of potential. Hell, even COURTNEY is a decent enough character in theory, just as Summer's best friend. But none of them have any depth. We aren't being made to feel or care about them AT ALL. Aside from NuKyle, I think they are all pretty talented actors/actresses, yet they get to do absolutely NOTHING but these nonsensical filler scenes.

4. The business storylines. Why the hell are all the business scenes done at Crimson Lights, or at the police station, Athletic Club...everywhere except the freaking office???!!!!! When they SHOW Victor's office, it's not even about business. It's like the show is ass backwards.

5. The stories aren't compelling. I'm tired of the murder mysteries. I'm tired of Victor and Jack fighting over business. When will the show focus on now Adam and Billy dueling in business, and Victor and Jack in the background amping it on. Victor and Jack can still feud, but let it be a little more realistic. Because honestly, Bill Bell has covered A LOT in business, and it may be a little hard to find something NEW to do with the Jabot and Newman, but new things are happening EVERYDAY. Pick up the doggone newspaper and read the headlines.

6. STOP ADDING NEW CHARACTERS!!!! There are characters that I feel could go and I wouldn't miss them at all. But yet, they are still piling in new faces. The cast HAS to be bloated. JFP came on and fired the "Dead weight" only to hire new dead weight.

7. Bring back the "look" of Y&R. The "feel" of Y&R is totally different. It looks different, it sounds different, and if I wanted to watch a watered down version of Y&R, I would switch to some other soap. To ME, Y&R has always been the golden standard of daytime drama, and now it looks and feels like any other soap.

8. Y&R has a gold mine in Jill Foster Abbott. She SOLD Katherine's death single-handedly. If not for Jill, it would've been completely tragic and ridiculous, but for me Jill sold it. Put Jill in that house, if they REFUSE to give her Chancellor, then put her back at Jabot. Put Ashley in that sexy lab coat, throw her in the lab. Get Billy back at Jabot, let's see Abby there...let's get back to business. And let's give Jill a LIFE. Not the talk to person, or the one you bring on and have her floating around town like she's lost.

9. Stop making up stuff!! If we didn't see it onscreen, then to us it doesn't and never existed. I don't FEEL like imagining that Neil met some random woman at a bar. I don't FEEL like pretending that Dylan and Avery had some magical love affair back in the day when we didn't even know their damn characters existed!!!!! I watch the show to be entertained in the PRESENT. I don't want to watch a show about somebody's backstory, unless it involves someone we already care about.

10. I've come to the conclusion I don't like JFP. I tried to give her a chance, as I've never seen her work. I was too young to remember her on GL and I didn't watch that show anyway. I wasn't watch GH when she was there. I was too young to remember Another World. But I am old enough to remember her on Y&R, and I'm NOT amused -_-

Okay, my rant is over. I had to get it out of my system. Back to being positive now Smile Avery is sexy. That's all. And even THEN I don't feel like seeing her everyday. Sit down somewhere...you're not Sharon, or Phyllis. You're a new character. But you're still sexy

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oh, and damnit...Carmine had so much potential!!! You could've paired him with just about ANYONE and it would've worked. He had chemistry with Chloe. He had chemistry with Abby. He had chemistry with Fen. He had chemistry with half the cast. Why take him in that direction of making him a psycho?

It doesn't make sense to me. It's time to make Kevin come on out of the closet. He doesn't have romantic chemistry with any of the women. He just feels like the gay best friend.

Amelia Heinle needs to either GO, or Victoria needs to leave town. I'm sorry...that's my opinion, but I'm just tired of it. She doesn't bring it in her scenes. Even when the writing is THERE, it doesn't work because she's soooo blank faced and monotone and awkward with those kinds of scenes. Instead of bothering with Kyle, they should've found someone better to play Vicki.

Okay...I'm done. For real this time. Wink

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Okay, this truly opposite's day. I vowed to only find positive things to discuss about Y&R for one month (this podcast was taped before my vow) and Stoney is done with 'em! LOL

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Whoever you are pretending to be stoney07, you're busted. Smile

I agree with you though, especially on points 5 through 10.

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I agree with everything Stoney07 said. Phelps has destroyed Y&R even more so than MAB & LML. SMH!!!

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I wouldn't say that Phelps has destroyed Y&R more than MAB...she just hasn't fixed anything.

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XLNT POST by Stoney. Love the Dyldumbo part.

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YR: I like Dylan and Steve Burton is doing an awesome job with the writing he has been given. I originally wanted him paired with Michelle Stafford/Phyllis when I heard he was joining YR but I now like him with Melissa Claire Egan. He looks and has more chemistry with her than with Jessica Collins or Case. Chelsea and Dylan's story wasn't the best with Dylan being lied to by Chelsea but they have won me over. I am hoping YR does a better job if or when reuniting them.

GH: I really liked Morgan's unapologetic attitude when Miki caught them. I felt Carly's reaction was much more subdued than I expected.

AMC: Wasn't is supposed to resume production in October? what happened to PP?

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As a Y&R fan, I do agree that there are some problems. I do think that Jabot and Fenmore's should be utilized more. And classic characters like Jill should carry more of the story.

I watched Katherine's funeral after reading so many comments on how it was lacking and as much as I hate to admit it, it was. I do think there were some missed opportunities.

But I am also open to new characters being added to keep it "young" and "restless". Carmine should not have been written out. I might be missing what "NuKyle" is bringing to the table. Chloe could be interesting but not with Kevin. I am also not a big fan of Dylan as so many have mentioned. Dramas have to evolve and there are times when new families had to be brought in to change direction. What about a blue collar family coming into the story much like Doug Marland did on ATWT back in the day with the Snyders? (Not to add a bunch of new characters, but a long term plan to integrate a new core family that brings something fresh and not a lot of rich spoiled kids.) Even bringing back a branch of the Foster family...like Jill's brother...or a branch of the Brooks family would be better than a lot of random characters with no ties.

I know soaps are working with a tighter budget and things are more challenging with producing them than ever before. I commend them for keeping the genre alive and will try to support Y&R as it tries to regain its place as TV's top quality soap.

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I'm off watching YR for now...I will not make a point to watch. I might catch it if home that day but it's off my DVR, just BB is for taping.

YR is in the same shape or as bad as MAB, LML eras which isn't saying much...I will read the spoilers and catch if good and Dylanless that day I might watch, I haven't watched since last Thursday, all it does is make me mad to see how the show destroyed the characters and how the stories are not compelling.

Soaps are dead, the days of good soap opera is behind us except BB is producing good old fashion soap opera, this is the reason I'm so giddy over BB. Big smile

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At least LML & and MAB kept the classic scores, sets, and the lush feel of Y&R. Phelps has turned the look and feel of Y&R into ABC daytime with the cheap sets, lackluster music, and hair models. Ughhh

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Stoney!! you look like youre 16 years old!! how can you miss the old days????!!!

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The podcast should be called the "lets rag on The Y&R podcast" & get all the haters on DC going on their anti-Y&R rampages, which is not hard to do here. Well, as I have said before, STOP watching, stay with your beloved GH, DOOL, or whatever. We still have almost double, if not more viewers of CBS daytime than ABC or NBC.

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harlee490 wrote:
...Soaps are dead, the days of good soap opera is behind us ....

Damn straight. JFP had a hand in killing at least four of them.

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sillytee wrote:
Stoney!! you look like youre 16 years old!! how can you miss the old days????!!!

HAAAAAAAAAA thanks for the compliment tho. LOL

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Y&R pretty much gives fans no reason to watch. The show doesn't do much right these days. Killing little kids doesn't help. But that's how JFP gets into her sweeps mode. She'll find her next victim right in time for February '14.
Doesn't matter if you take Nikki's MS or Sharon's bipolar disorder. Y&R did poorly writing these two illnesses. People who are suffering from it should be offended. What was the point in giving Nikki MS anyway?
Or what about Sharon being of her meds but not behaving like a woman suffering from bipolar but rather acting psychotic.
The problem with Steve Burton's Dylan is not that he's on the show. I might not be a big fan of his acting but I always liked him as Jason on GH. Didn't have a problem with him there. But here you have him on for not even a year and he already seems to be everywhere. Dylan's "apartment" must be bigger than the main house of the Newman ranch. It's at least bigger than the tacky house millionaire's son Nick Newman is living in. Not to mention all the stories he's getting. Chelsea/Dylan/Avery is developing into a triangle ... and I should care why? It's not like one of these three has huge history on the show.
I'm checking out of Y&R now after hearing that they kill off another Abbott. At first I hoped it was a bad joke. But yeah, it's JFP. So what do you expect!?

I'm happy with DAYS. They entertain and I don't find myself bored. They even use history. Which isn't an easy thing with DAYS since there were about three to five different versions of the show. So happy that they finally write EJ/Sami as the show's money couple after some of the previous writing teams screwed up by blackmail, shootings and ever changing back stories.

GH is entertaining as well but sometimes it feels that they have just too many characters on that show. It's not that there are too many newbies. But if you don't see characters like AJ or Liz for weeks, something seems off.
And I'm happy that so many of the veterans are back but it's not like they are the ones taking major airtime either.
Most of them returned on recurring. And it's not like we seeing anything of Lucy relaunching Deception with Laura, Scotty running for the DA's office or something like that.
They could easily cut some characters. I don't know why Shawn is still on. What do we need Carlos for? I don't believe that the young generation around Molly is needed. And there you already have two, three characters that could easily be cut from the show to take some storylines deeper or address them more often.

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Stoney, are my eyes deceiving me? Did just make a rant *against* Y&R? Laughing out loud

IMO JFP definitely HAS driven this show worse than it was under MAB. By my standards, MUCH worse. At least with MAB the overall look and the feel of Y&R was still there. Anyway, I'm not going to say much more about it, as I'm sure most people know exactly how I feel about this show.

DAYS continues on to be the best soap out of the four. The pace was a little bit slower last month, but now it has most definitely geared back up again, and picking up the pace going into sweeps. The show feels more tightly knit and the characters are used approriately. Kristen, Sami, EJ and Stefano are all dressed to the nines, both metaphorically and literally, at the House of DiMera. Nick is showing great promise in revitalizing the Wilson/Nabi storyline. Also the good acting from Casey Moss. There's major promise going into November sweeps.

I've also been enjoying GH immensely as my #2 soap. I like the fast paced storylines in general, but it does have the element of sometimes feeling that beats are played too quickly. I will definitely commend Frank & Ron for using the time so efficiently, there isn't much "filler talk" in the scenes. Sometimes there perhaps could be though. And there is indeed so many characters and storylines going on that sometimes one set of characters and a storyline might be left hanging for two weeks (case in point, the AJ storyline with Connie's murder, and AJ/Liz). And that's kind of a difficult thing for fan bases to swallow. But all in all, for me the storylines have been riveting. Loved the front-burner exposure for the Spixie/Lante drama, and loved the Corinthos storyline, culminating in Ava/Morgan. Talk about hotness. And of course the biggest returns of all, Robin and Robert.

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Agree -- especially about Sharon. Her crazy last time was almost fun in moments, and believable. Now, she "knows" Cassie will go away when somebody else shows up -- is that actually delusional? She seems far too much in control of her behavior -- previously, she was just full-on crazy, didn't care when or with whom because she didn't KNOW she was acting bizarrely. This time, there's convenient craziness, and I'm not buying it.

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STONEY ARE YOU ALRIGHT??????? GOOD LORD! YOU SUMMED IT UP PERFECT!

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The podcast should be called the "lets rag on The Y&R podcast" & get all the haters on DC going on their anti-Y&R rampages, which is not hard to do here. Well, as I have said before, STOP watching, stay with your beloved GH, DOOL, or whatever. We still have almost double, if not more viewers of CBS daytime than ABC or NBC.
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We raged the exact same way about DAYS for YEARS, when it was in the toilet. We raged about GH when it was in the toilet. We raged about B&B when Brad Bell was having pin-ups smother old men with honey and we now rage about Y&R, because we feel it is not where it needs to be.

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stoney07- you described everything that is wrong with Y &R to perfection!!! I have to agree with everything you said.
Will see what happens with this supposedly "death of a child" storyline. I am sure it will give the actors Emmy worth scenes but I don't agree with the death of a child, like JFP did on GH, to win Emmy's. Will wait and see what happens.

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I hate that they turned Carmine into a psych too he had too much potential to be a great villain like Warren Fox from British Soap Hollyoaks. He could have been a criminal player sleeping with half the town including Fen. Now were going to kill Delia Abbott thanks a lot JFP for killing off a legacy child. As Jamey famously said in one podcast " Thanks kill another Abbott We love " it sarcastically just boggles my mind what is the potential of this mess ?

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acela wrote:
The podcast should be called the "lets rag on The Y&R podcast" & get all the haters on DC going on their anti-Y&R rampages, which is not hard to do here. Well, as I have said before, STOP watching, stay with your beloved GH, DOOL, or whatever. We still have almost double, if not more viewers of CBS daytime than ABC or NBC.

Acela, I commend you a fellow viewer of CBS daytime as myself but take off the rose colored glasses, this long time viewer will "rag about YR" it's hideous and in horrible shape once again as prior regimes...

I'm glad someone else seeing the mess and I'm by no means a hater of YR...I'm quite the opposite I'm lover of YR...but this isn't YR anymore, I'm not going to defend this soap when the truth laid in front of us...

Why does Sony\CBS continue in their thinking that if they had any of Bill's proteges back to guide this soap, Alden, Morina, and Jack Smith be the EP is such a dirty word or dismiss it completely...? Puzzled They so hell bent on letting YR truly recover?

Killing babies was never a fixture on YR! Cassie story was the rarity in YR history, the story leading up to her death was so interwoven in the canvas, it simply worked. Bill would do miscarriages but didn't purposely ponder to "kill" off a child as JFP for the sake of story... Angry to drive a plot point for sweeps to prop up one of "her" favorites... Angry Ghost

Bill's sweeps came from painstakingly beats played in his build of stories organically and popping all over the place...not plot after plot as JFP...I would much rather watch PR's version of YR when he was EP...at least rang somewhat truer to YR...

Let's get to the ratings, maybe so CBS is still strong but doesn't equal quality, speaking for YR...(BB is quality soap at its best) ratings will fall again and when that happens and Sony finally gets off their asses it will be even more devastating to recover...Someone is asleep at the wheel as JFP and her road rage carnage continues... Angry Angry Shock

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Good post Stoney.

What's sad is it seems Steve Kent is a Jill fan.

She definitely has taken away the feel of the show and while I think Josh's overall story concepts are better than the past two teams the outcome never is fleshed out. So many missed opportunities.

I said it when most here were looking forward to Phelps arrival...that replacing Bell may not be a good thing, and it wasn't.

I can't look forward to the new writers. It's Phelps that's the issue. And writing under her is a big issue.

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I don't think I'm a Y&R apologist. I don't think I've ever been. For majority of my time watching Y&R (all my life), I've found at least a good portion of the show to be entertaining...whether it made sense or not, I found it entertaining.

After 2005, of course the show's quality declined, but there were still moments where I felt Y&R was still a really good show. The only times I couldn't find anything worth really watching on Y&R was LML's later months on Y&R...the reliquary, Victor and Sabrina, Brad aka "George Kaplan" -_-

Then came MAB, and personally IDK who was responsible for the first year of her writing...her or Josh Griffith, but I enjoyed the show. I found SOMETHING good about Y&R under MAB all the way up until the very end when every episode was shot in the police station. Sharon marrying Victor, and all that.

This will be unpopular, but I personally feel like Josh Griffith was one of the more "stable" writers for Y&R, and I think if MAB would've remained EP and let JG write (it never would've worked out), but I think we could've had an all around GREAT show.

That wasn't an anti-Y&R rampage I went on. If anything, I've been pro-Y&R for my entire time on this site and had gotten sooo fed up with the negativity that I hadn't listened to a podcast in a WHILE. Well, the past few podcasts I listened to and when I found myself agreeing with a lot of what was being said, I knew something was wrong. LOL.

Y&R needs a change. I don't think Josh Griffith was the problem. It's JFP. It really is. When Josh was writing in the past, the show looked the same, it felt the same, it sounded the same. SHE came in and changed every single aspect of this show, and for some reason, the big wigs think its an improvement. And unfortunately, JFP is going to remain until she does irreparable damage to the show. Then they'll hire another EP to usher Y&R off the canvas and I'm going to throw a hissy fit.

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Love your Y&R shopping list Stoney!

One of my issues is the overall subpar issue of the writing.
The opening episode scenes are never "hold onto your seat" and hardly ever a Friday real cliffhanger is done.
I remember when Bill Bell and Kay Alden wrote this show and EACH episode would end with like 2-3 cliffhangers.
Sigh...

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in 2008 I was actually interested in what was happening on Y&R, the stories were actually interesting. But since then all it has all been downhill. It seems like a lot of the elements of a good story are there but tyhey never quite reach Y&R quality. The Adam/Chelsea/Dylan storyline? Saw it already with Lily/Billy/Chloe/Cane and it was a lot better the first time. There was actually a logical reason why Chloe hid that Billy was the father...though Billy knew. Not Chelsea was "scared" of Adam and then Dylan being forced down viewers throats and basically looking like an idiot.

Why is NuKyle there? Please ship him off with Victoria. He is just bad.

Carmine had potential. Even if Lauren and Michael were to reunite he could have stayed around and thrown his swagger around GC. GC needs some good eyecandy. But nope, he's killed off.

And now DELIA? Yes I am sure it is going to give Elizabeth Hendrickson and Billy Miller some excellent material. And they will sell it like they sell everything else while Amelia Heinle stares at the floor and looks awkward like usual. Which begs to question why are Billy and Victoria being forced again? And Chloe and Kevin? Stop the madness!

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"Y&R needs a change. I don't think Josh Griffith was the problem. It's JFP. It really is. When Josh was writing in the past, the show looked the same, it felt the same, it sounded the same. SHE came in and changed every single aspect of this show, and for some reason, the big wigs think its an improvement. And unfortunately, JFP is going to remain until she does irreparable damage to the show. Then they'll hire another EP to usher Y&R off the canvas and I'm going to throw a hissy fit."

Great comments Stoney, and I agree. I think Josh did make the writing more stable following Maria. And now that is up in the air.

We all are currently having a collective hissy fit.