Look Who Sam and Silas Run Into on Monday’s General Hospital (PROMO)


Monday's General Hospital promises to provide the appearance of a familiar face to longtime ABC soap fans as Sam (Kelly Monaco) and Silas (Michael Easton) search for answers about her recently discovered family. Watch the clip after the jump!


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  1. Profile photo of Nk3play2
    Nk3play2

    [quote=GHteenybopper]What is Ryan’s Hope and the connection to GH? Did they do a crossover or something? What other dead soaps is RC planning on paying homage too? Will Passions be next?[/quote]

    Ryan’s Hope was an ABC soap created by former GH writer, Claire Labine; it aired from 1975 to 1989. The soap was actually a spin off a General Hospital, and it was originally to be called City Hospital.

    But like most ABC soaps, viewers have always been led to believe that ALL these soaps occurred in the same universe. Ryan’s Hope is no different, with both set in New York, GH and RH could’ve easily crossed over years ago, but they never did a physical cross over. I have heard rumors that the Jerome family of GH was mentioned as being a rival of one of the mob families on Ryan’s Hope.

    Passions would NEVER be used for a cross over because it is not owned by ABC. Any ABC soap, past or present, is fair game.

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    Yoryla

    Okay, so this is the deal: Delia Ryan was a Ryan’s Hope character, who never originally was on GH, but now these people find out that Victor Jerome and her had an affair once upon a time, which produced Ava? Is this correct?

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    The_Moustache

    @ heatherwebber10010

    i think the cast & crew & prospect park would’ve sent out an announcement that filming had resumed and tweeted out some pics.

    i think the show is dead-again.

    :-(

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    heatherwebber10010

    [quote=The_Moustache]@ heatherwebber10010
    i think the cast & crew & prospect park would’ve sent out an announcement that filming had resumed and tweeted out some pics.
    i think the show is dead-again.
    :-([/quote]

    @stache – Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. All my sources here on the east coast cannot confirm anything for season 2. Other than my renting a car and driving up to Connecticut, I have to believe it’s probably kaput.

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    BellaDonna

    [quote=robertscorpio]I really can’t remember but did Delia have any children while on Ryan’s Hope?[/quote]

    One son, John Reid Ryan, by her then-husband, Frank Ryan. She was also married to Dr. Roger Coleridge, who was played by Ron Hale (GH’s Mike Corbin).

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    J Bernard Jones

    Ryan’s Hope was an ABC soap created by former GH writer, Claire Labine; it aired from 1975 to 1989. The soap was actually a spin off a General Hospital, and it was originally to be called City Hospital.

    Right about the original name, but Ryan’s Hope was not a spinoff of GH. ABC only wanted a show similar to GH.

    “But like most ABC soaps, viewers have always been led to believe that ALL these soaps occurred in the same universe. Ryan’s Hope is no different, with both set in New York, GH and RH could’ve easily crossed over years ago, but they never did a physical cross over.”

    Not led to believe, but have actually been a part of the same universe. GH and OLTL crossed over in 1968; All My Children is a direct spinoff of OLTL. ABC officially merged these shows all in the same universe when it bought AMC/OLTL from Agnes Nixon (1975) and Ryan’s Hope from Labine and co-creator Paul Avila Mayer (1979). All ABC soaps developed after that — Loving (created by Nixon & Douglas Marland, ha official ties to AMC from the beginning), which morphed into The City(and in one of its last storylines, featured Tracy Quartermaine as the Solieto mob boss at the very end of its run) and Port Charles, a direct GH spinoff (which was greenlit over another GH spinoff proposal from Claire Labine set in Brooklyn, NY and was to have featured Ned & Lois) were explicitly set in the ABC universe. Also edited a previous post:

    “All of the ABC owned soaps have been part of the same universe for decades, at least from the time that GH via Dr. Steve Hardy crossed over with OLTL back in 1968 for about 6 or 7 months. That universe includes GH, AMC & OLTL (network & maybe Prospect Park), Ryan’s Hope, The City, Loving and Port Charles.

    The only exclusion from the ABC universe is The Edge of Night (which ran on CBS prior to jumping to ABC), which was a part of the Proctor & Gamble universe including, but not limited to ATWT, GL, Another World, Somerset and Search for Tomorrow (also on CBS before it jumped to NBC). However, Edge of Night is also a part of the Bell soap universe because…

    The Bell Soaps – B&B and Y&R — [merged with] the P&G universe due to several prominent crossovers [in 2005 and 2007] between ATWT and the Bell soaps.

    Days of Our Lives is self-contained, although they did play fast and loose with a possible connection to Passions (mainly due to James Reilly’s connections to both.)”

    “Passions would NEVER be used for a cross over because it is not owned by ABC. Any ABC soap, past or present, is fair game.”

    Only ABC owned soaps. Among the exceptions being The Edge of Night (which aired on ABC from ’75-’84), which is owned by Proctor & Gamble and Dark Shadows, which is owned by Dan Curtis Productions.

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    J Bernard Jones

    heatherwebber10010, YouTube user “saynotoursoap” has the most extensive collection of EON episodes online in their entirety, spanning quite a few years. Another one, “johnnyangyl” has a decent collection, too.

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    heatherwebber10010

    Damn JBJ! I think I’ve met the man of my dreams. Now, wasn’t there a Guiding Light EON crossover? I could swear I remember one from the CBS years.

    I never really was fond of Ryan’s Hope to be honest and I’ve also never been fond of Clair Labine’s style of writing and storytelling. I wonder though now in my golden years if I would like her material better.

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    robertscorpio

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]”All of the ABC owned soaps have been part of the same universe for decades, at least from the time that GH via Dr. Steve Hardy crossed over with OLTL back in 1968 for about 6 or 7 months. That universe includes GH, AMC & OLTL (network & maybe Prospect Park), Ryan’s Hope, The City, Loving and Port Charles.[/quote]

    J Bernard, I actually never knew that AMC was a direct spinoff of OLTL. But I do recall, correct me if I’m wrong, that the towns of Corinth, Pine Valley and Llanview were suppose to be within miles of each other.

    I loved when the ABC shows did the crossovers though. Especially, the Bianca/Babe baby switch involving Kelly from OLTL. And of course when Skye Quartermaine visited each of the four soaps at the time in search of her parents.

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    J Bernard Jones

    I do recall, correct me if I’m wrong, that the towns of Corinth, Pine Valley and Llanview were suppose to be within miles of each other.

    Nope, not wrong at all. In fact, Pine Valley (closer to Delaware) and Llanview (closer to Philadelphia) are supposed to be located across from each other, divided by the Llantano River by somewhere between 15-30 miles. Corinth is supposedly located toward western PA.

    Port Charles is somewhere not too far from Rochester, NY.

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    Phoenix Tremayne

    GH gives Prospect Park the finger using a OLTL actress; it’s subliminal, but loved her on Ryans Hope as Delia and then OLTL as Roxy; don’t care who she is on the show and I doubt she will be on long term but it’s nice to see Ilene still grinding and working and I’m sure she will give a fun performance; hope she isn’t as ditzy as Roxy; I know she has a better range than that.

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    J Bernard Jones

    Now, wasn’t there a Guiding Light EON crossover? I could swear I remember one from the CBS years.

    Honestly, I don’t recall a specific EON crossover with GL, but there was a Guiding Light/Another World crossover with Mike and Hope Bauer, which lasted a year in 1967.

    Sometime in the 80’s, some of the P&G shows started referencing each other’s home cities on an infrequent basis. There would be highway signs showing Oakdale, Bay City and Springfield with the number of miles it was to each city. Hilariously, the distance kept changing from series to series!

    There were lots of P&G crossovers through the years. After Chris Goutman took over as EP of ATWT, not only were there multiple crossovers of AW characters and mentions or nods to stuff like AW’s fictional “Brava” magazine (one character was reading an issue), ATWT characters made several trips to Bay City.

    An odd bit of ATWT/EON trivia though: 80’s fans of EON (which had moved to ABC just a few years earlier from CBS) will remember the famous Draper Scott-Kirk Cranston amnesia story where Draper/”Kirk” lived with Emily in the Monticello suburb of Oakdale. Although EON’s Oakdale was not connected to the CBS’ ATWT’s home city of Oakdale, it was odd that two P&G shows had series with locations with the same name.

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    marknsprmo

    On P&G soaps, Another World had originally been planned as a spin off of As The World Turns but CBS passed on this Irna Phillips soap. When NBC took over the show, the spin off idea was down played. Originally none of the characters crossed over. Funny enough AW spun off two different soaps Texas and Somerset. Also they were closely associated with the soap Lovers and Friends as Mac and Rachel knew some of the characters on that show. I think the first example of crossing the soaps were of a character named Mitchell Dru. He was a lawyer that brought Mike Bauer to Another World. It was funny that they scratched the idea of the spin off to Oak Dale but didn’t mind crossing over characters with Guiding Light! Then of course later on when AW went kaput, both GL and ATWT used some of the AW characters. I wish they had taken if farther and incorporated the Bay City characters into the Springfield/Oakdale worlds. For instance, how cool would it have been on ATWT had the Bay City Frames been cousins to the Snyders? Or on GL had the Spauldings rubbed elbows with the Corys and the Loves? There were some missed chances that could have strenthened the P&G brand on CBS. Not only were the AW characters an asset unto themselves but the audience might have crossed over too! I know that I did when they took on Jake at ATWT. Unfortunately they killed off Jake and Vicky which was like a second death for AW for me.

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    SoapArmageddon

    Days of Our Lives was self-contained, as JBJ said; but there was an “implied” crossover of sorts when Pete and Melissa were on the run in the mid-eighties and Pete mentioned being in Bay City, the fictional town Another World was set in.

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    ANGELWENDY15

    I watched Ryan’s Hope as a kid with my Mom, she loved the show. How VERY clever of Ron C to bring back Ryan’s Hope history into a GH storyline. I remember Delia and I loved Ilene K as Roxy on OLTL. I am so glad she is back, and how great, as Ava’s Mom!!!! Perfect! Ron C continues to amaze me, with his history of soaps, and bringing them into GH, where all us soap fans can relate to.

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    ANGELWENDY15

    Just had a thought. I remember now on Ryans Hope they did have a mob family. Wonder if somehow this will be connected somehow, with the Jeromes. Can’t remember the names but I remember one character, his name was Joe (played by the great Roscoe Born). Will he somehow be involved????

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    TV Gord

    So, it’s NOT just a rumor! This is fantastic! (I’m just starting to watch now!)

    JBJ, how is AMC a spinoff of OLTL? I’ve never heard that before, and I can’t find any evidence of that.

    I remember when there was a murder mystery that spanned at least Corinth and Pine Valley (I think Genie Francis’ Ceara and Jeremy from AMC/Loving were involved somehow), Soap Opera Weekly printed an ABC ad that used a map as its background, and it showed the proximity from Corinth to Pine Valley to Llanview. I can’t remember whether Port Charles was on the map, but since it was already clearly established that PC was essentially Rochester in this universe, it’s not hard to put them all together.

    I’m looking forward to seeing Delia again. Hopefully, it’s more than just today, and hopefully, she’ll drop a few hints about what’s up with the veteran denizens of Ryan’s bar. (I hope she makes a Danny Boy reference, if Sam or Silas mentions the baby’s name.) :-)

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    JBNC

    Frank and Ron may not be perfect, but they clearly love GH, the rich, amazing history of ABC Daytime, their jobs, the soap opera genre, and talented actors and actresses. I appreciate them utilizing characters fans love that have spanned decades from ABC soaps. Keep it up guys. You have made GH an enjoyable, fun, engaging show to watch after years of neglect from Brian Frons and JFP.

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    J Bernard Jones

    Didn’t the final episode end because Ryan’s bar was closing?

    I thought it was only the reception for Jack & Leigh’s wedding.

    Texas, on the other hand, ended its run with the sale of the fictional tv station WVIK.

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    J Bernard Jones

    TV Gord wrote

    JBJ, how is AMC a spinoff of OLTL? I’ve never heard that before, and I can’t find any evidence of that.

    If the terminology “spinoff” is not entirely right to describe OLTL (1968) and AMC (1970), then “sister show” or “companion show” is probably more accurate.

    Taking a trip in the way back machine, everything I’d read in the 1970’s and early 80’s from sources such as Soap Opera Weekly, Soap Opera Magazine, Soap Opera Update and others was that AMC was at that time considered a spinoff of OLTL, just not in the traditional sense as we understand it today but based on one of the ways that some spinoffs were created in the 1960’s, when OLTL & AMC (1970) were created and debuted.

    On the AMC Wikipedia page, it says the following, without attribution:

    To keep the action more real, [Agnes Nixon] allowed the audience to locate her fictional “Pine Valley” on a map: situated a mere hour-long train ride from New York City. Many believed Pine Valley was in New York State because of a town called Pine Valley in western New York. However, it was not until the 1980s that it was finally revealed that Pine Valley is actually in Pennsylvania, near Philadelphia and also near One Life to Live’s Llanview.

    This is not entirely correct, even if some viewers did think that (given that some soap towns are stubbornly hard to pin down!). Long time viewers know that Pine Valley was always set in the same close geographical area as OLTL’s Llanview, with characters from both shows making trips to and or working in the gritty, more urban “Center City,” which at one time was a stand-in for Philadelphia before the real Philly was mentioned on air and Center City was eventually “demoted” to a suburb before being phased out. However, right after AMC premiered, Dr. Larry Wolek from OLTL’s Llanview came to AMC in 1970. Also in 1979, Viki Riley was defended by Pine Valley attorney Paul Martin for the murder of Marco Dane. Another character who also appeared on All My Children from OLTL were Sadie Gray, who sang for the wedding of Dr. Frank and Caroline Grant. These were traditional crossovers in one sense, but the presence of Center City binding them reinforced their shared Nixonian genesis.

    Our most popular current idea of a spinoff is that characters featured on one show are “spun off” to create another show. This would fit both “Somerset” and “Texas starring Beverly McKinsey!” both spunoff from “Another World,” or more familiar to newer viewers, “Port Charles” and “Night Shift,” both spunoff from GH.

    But in the mid-to-late 60’s, it wasn’t uncommon for shows to be considered spinoffs that were merely set in the same universe that shared characters AND fictional geographical settings. The most prominent of these were several of CBS’ rural comedies of the era including The Beverly Hillbillies (parent show), Petticoat Junction (spinoff), and Green Acres.

    In this case, the comparison is Green Acres to The Beverly Hillbillies. Although there were never any character crossovers between Green Acres and The Beverly Hillbillies, they did share characters between TBH and PJ and the same geographical locations such as Hooterville, Pixley, Crabwell Corners, and Stankwell Falls.

    In the modern era, NCIS: LA is technically a spinoff of JAG although it is really Jag’s “Green Acres.”

    So I will concede that “spinoff” might not be an appropriate term for today’s audiences to describe “AMC” from “OLTL” but “sister” show or “companion” show would be.

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    robertscorpio

    [quote=heatherwebber10010]Didn’t the final episode end because Ryan’s bar was closing?[/quote]

    Even if it did close in the final episode, it seems from today’s GH episode that Delia’s son is now running it. So maybe either he took over from his grandparents or he reopened the bar.

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    TV Gord

    My recollection of the end of Ryan’s Hope (which I only know from recaps because my local affiliate had already dropped it |( ) was that the bar was threatened with closure, but was saved at the last minute, which was the reason for Maeve singing Danny Boy (even though it was not St. Patrick’s Day).

    There was one epic (not really) crossover episode of The Beverly Hillbillies where the Clampetts went to Hooterville for the holiday, and the casts of Petticoat Junction and Green Acres were squeezed into the plot. There’s a great shot of all of the stars sitting around a big Thanksgiving table. It still makes me misty. ;-)

    Edit: Here’s a link to the picture!
    http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbnid=HT0u2SAQ-LrqTM:&imgrefurl=http://michaelstvtray.tumblr.com/post/36286026536/hooterville&docid=PiR2O5fcAKjeaM&itg=1&imgurl=http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdwbouXYBj1rjhbjlo1_1280.jpg&w=960&h=751&ei=iC5vUt3aLMTj2QXYs4HIBQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:1,s:0,i:82&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=172&tbnw=227&start=0&ndsp=20&tx=98&ty=103

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    J Bernard Jones

    There was one epic (not really) crossover episode of The Beverly Hillbillies where the Clampetts went to Hooterville for the holiday, and the casts of Petticoat Junction and Green Acres were squeezed into the plot. There’s a great shot of all of the stars sitting around a big Thanksgiving table. It still makes me misty.

    Be still my heart!

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    stefanstavros

    I never watched Ryan’s Hope, but the Delia character shown today acted EXACTLY like Roxie from OLTL. Was Delia just like Roxie or was this Frank and Ron trying to give a big middle finger to Prospect Park? Basically using the character of Roxie but calling her Delia…..

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    J Bernard Jones

    Roxy on OLTL was always more of a knockoff of RH’s Delia, who was generally in different states of mania, depending on which of the three actors who played her and the different writing regimes’ styles over the years. A good part of the characteristics associated with “classic” Delia is Ilene Kristen’s acting style, though:

    From the Wikipedia page on Delia Ryan, with attribution intact:

    …Though Delia can be a bit insensitive, no one hold more for Delia then Delia herself Kristen explained. Michael Denis said Kristen displayed a specific kind of “manic verve” as well as “troubled” and “erratic.” According to Denis, the character has two distinct sides to her personality, the “happy” youthful side which is usually betrayed by her “sick” side.[5]

    Stephanie Schaefer described the character as “bewitching, “dizzy,” and “wacky.[2]

    Francine L. Trevens described the character as a “conniving” whiner.[18]

    Damon L. Jacobs said Delia displayed all the characteristics of Borderline Personality Disorder before it was first listed as a diagnosis in 1980.

    Kristen said for the character to be “real” she observed those that were extremely needy. Delia is never stands on her own two feet, she goes from depending on her brother, to depending on the Ryan family. Though Delia uses her femininity to manipulate, she does it out of love. Kristen described the character’s speech as “Deliaspeak.” Like most, she also referred to the character as a “child woman.” Delia is never cruel intentions, but she goes to any extreme to get what she wants, and often does things that are counterproductive.[19]

    In 2008, Kristen described Delia as “semi-tragic” and a “very unhappy person.”[20]

    Seli Graves referred to the character as “delightfully,” and “deliciously devious.”[10]

    Us Magazine hailed the character as the bitchiest new character of the year in 1977. Kristen also referred to the character as “starved for attention.” According to Claire Labine, Delia is not the “traditional bad girl.” Instead, Delia is someone who posses “desperate insecurities.”[3]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delia_Ryan

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    marknsprmo

    I seem to remember that Sam Druker of Green Acres had a thing for Granny Clampett always using her given name Daisy. GA and PCJ and BHB all definitely shared the same planet together.

    Another World and AMC have a common bond as well. When Agnes Nixon was headwriter for AW, she had already written the bible for AMC, although apparently afraid to show it to anyone, she cannibalized parts of it and used it on AW. Most notably Rachel Davis and her mother were actually the same characters as Erica Kane and her mother Mona. I never quite understood why Agnes didn’t propose AMC when she created OLTL for ABC. Being that those two shows were very similar in nature from the very beginning, I would have thought that AMC would have been the first one made. I have always wondered why Agnes Nixon felt inferior about the AMC bible. I always found it interesting that the original “Erica/Rachel” Robin Strasser went on and played Dorian on OLTL for all those years. Does anyone think or know of Agnes Nixon’s thoughts on creating Dorian? Was she also a version of Erica Kane?

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    MrRHS

    There’s a clip on YouTube with Mrs. Nixon, and other cast members of AMC on Oprah, where she explains why she didn’t originally propose AMC when approached to create a new soap for that network. When CBS declined AMC in the mid-1960s, Mrs. Nixon felt something was wrong with the show…that it wasn’t good enough and put the bible away. Once OLTL became successful, and ABC wanted another show from Mrs. Nixon, she was still hesitant to propose AMC. Her husband suggested she pull out the AMC bible, which she put away years ago after the CBS incident, and give it to ABC after convincing her it was in fact a good show.

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    tmac

    Loved seeing Delia today at Ryan’s. And loved it when she said Silas looked familiar…then blurted out “Johnny!” That’s what Roxie always called John McBain!

    I don’t see Dorian as another version of Erica Kane. Dorian was purely evil when she was introduced on OLTL. I’ve never thought of Erica as evil at all, just a self-obsessed little girl with daddy issues. The only characteristic they share is that they were both social climbers.

    Robin Strasser may have never gotten to play the actual Erica Kane but she did appear on AMC as Dr. Christina Karras. That was before taking over the role of Dorian Lord.

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    MrRHS

    [quote=marknsprmo] When Agnes Nixon was headwriter for AW, she had already written the bible for AMC, although apparently afraid to show it to anyone, she cannibalized parts of it and used it on AW. Most notably Rachel Davis and her mother were actually the same characters as Erica Kane and her mother Mona. I never quite understood why Agnes didn’t propose AMC when she created OLTL for ABC. [/quote]

    There’s a YouTube clip of Mrs. Nixon and cast members of AMC on Oprah explaining that. When AMC was proposed to CBS in the mid-1960s, and CBS declined the show, Mrs. Nixon felt it wasn’t good enough…that something was wrong with it. Therefore, she put the bible for AMC away. When approached by ABC to create a show, she created OLTL. When ABC wanted another show, she didn’t think she had another show in her. Mrs. Nixon’s husband suggested AMC, but she was still weary because of CBS’s rejection. Her husband convinced her it was a great show, and Mrs. Nixon proposed AMC to ABC.

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