Perkie’s Observations: Franco and Carly Have Sex on General Hospital!



Sam demands to know if Sonny plans on having Julian killed. Sonny is angry Julian used Morgan against him. Sonny says he’s only trying to protect his family.  Sam says she may need Julian’s help again, if Danny relapses.  Ava points out killing Julian could end up killing Danny as well.  She wonders how Sonny would feel about risking Jason’s son. 


 Michael falls in the water  after Morgan sucker punches him. Kiki screams at Morgan to help her get him out. Morgan refuses and walks away. Kiki jumps in.
 
Carly and Franco kiss, but she stops it. Carly admits she has feelings for him, but needs to fight them. Franco wonders what’s stopping her. Carly says it’s because of what he did to Joss and Michael. 

Franco swears he never meant for Michael to get hurt and asks what he can do to prove he’s a changed man.  Carly worries who he was before the tumor will return. She wants to take a leap of faith, but can’t. 
 
TJ worries about Shawn and his job protecting Sonny. Molly assures him Shawn can handle himself. TJ says Shawn is all he has. Molly points out he has her as well. 
 
Max has been told to keep Olivia away from the gallery, and she’s angry about it. Max understands she and Sonny care about each other. Olivia says Sonny’s been through so much, but wonders if their chance has passed. 
 
Sonny accuses Julian of using Danny as an insurance policy, saying he won’t bank his marrow in advance because he needs the leverage. Julian points out to everyone Sonny is threatening him. Sonny angrily storms off. 
 
While waiting to take out Julian, Shawn comes across Carlos. He claims to be gallery security. Carlos warns him to leave. Sonny tells Shawn everything is off. Shawn prepares to leave, but not before calling Carlos a dead man walking. 
 
Sam questions if Julian was telling the truth when he told her he would bank the marrow. Julian swears he would do anything to protect Danny, but he needs to be alive to do it.  He points out Sonny will kill him if he banks the marrow in advance. 
 
Silas accuses Julian of provoking Sonny and using Danny as leverage. Sam says there’s nothing worst than watching while your child wastes away. 
 
Alexis is angry with Julian for going after Sonny. She points out he can take Sonny apart if he wants and Sonny can’t get back at him, because of Danny. 

Julian reminds her Sonny is a gangster too. Alexis says she’ll do anything to protect her family and snarks about Carly. Julian says he never wanted Carly. They kiss. 
 
Carly and Franco arrive at the pier as Kiki struggles in the water. They fish her out and Franco jumps back in to save Michael. Carly does CPR on her son.  She wonders why he was in the water in the first place.  Michael lies, saying he dropped his phone and went in after it.  Carly wants him to get checked out, but Michael refuses medical treatment.  Kiki promises to look after him.
 
Kiki wonders why Michael didn’t tell his mother the truth about Morgan. Michael is still hoping to save him from the Jeromes. 
 
Sonny gets home and relieves Max. He tells Olivia that Julian is still alive. Morgan admitted he planted the bug and chose the Jeromes. Sonny is upset he’s lost his son. Olivia asks how she can help him.  Sonny asks her to be with him. They kiss and make love. 
 
Sam worries that Danny is now caught in a mob war and doesn’t know how to protect him.  She believes Julian cares, but knows he’s using Danny as a shield.  Silas says it’s hard to wash your hands of family.  The two start to kiss but Danny cries so Silas leaves. 
 
Ava finds Morgan on the docks and comforts him. 
 
Carly returns to Franco’s room to return his jacket.  She says he saved Michael’s life and now wants to take that leap with him.  The two kiss and make love. 

39 Responses

  1. Profile photo of Perkie
    Perkie

    Sam and Silas’ kiss = hot
    Sam and Silas being interrupted by Danny, AGAIN = boo

    Julian kissing Alexis and telling her he remembers her = hot
    Julian leaving and Alexis crying = boo

    Morgan leaving Michael to drown = not sure how I feel about that
    Ava comforting Morgan = hot

    Kiki’s constant shrieking = ow my ears

    Olivia and Sonny doing the deed = yuck

    Carly and Franco doing the deed = yuck (although I will admit they were kind of hot. all I have to do is pretend that he’s not a serial killer who put two of her children and her bff’s lives in jeopardy.

  2. Profile photo of SZima
    SZima

    [quote=Perkie]Carly and Franco doing the deed = yuck
    (although I will admit they were kind of hot. all I have to do is pretend that he’s not a serial killer who put two of her children and her bff’s lives in jeopardy.[/quote]

    I’m with you Perkie…I am having the hardest time understanding how Carly can have a romantic relationship with the man that did such terrible things to her family. (And I didn’t think it was “hot.”)

    The Carly I’ve always known would never, ever forgive him for that. Look at how she was never able to forgive Robin simply for telling the truth about Baby Michael.

    Nope, wouldn’t happen!

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    logan_echolls

    Ditto except I know how I feel about Morgan doing that to Michael. Loved it.

    When Michael fell in that water just like his Auntie Courtney, I was hoping he would never come back up. Then when KiKi jumped in after him, I was hoping she would float to the bottom and drown.

    So happy for Alexis, I think.

    The fact that Carly can fix her mouth to say what Franco did to Michael and Josslyn means she knows how horrid Franco is. The man was trying to steal her daughter!! So at that moment, she remember that her oldest child was raped by a Franco minion. But then all Franco has to do is jump in the water and drag Michael out and that gets Carly hot between her legs? The Carly I know jumped in the water TWICE to save Michael!! Each time she jumped in, the water was super cold and she could have died. Carly has become a non rootable character now. There is nothing redeeming about her unless she dumps Franco and gets with AJ. That’s one love/hate relationship I can get behind. I better NEVER hear Carly say one bad thing about AJ when she just had sex with the man who got her son raped.

    Sam/Silas YASSS!! I’m still pissed he cut his hair in that Justin Bieber haircut.

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    ANGELWENDY15

    Perkie, agree with all you said. I know I am in the minority here with Franco and Carly, but… it’s obvious both actors have chemistry together and have both said they love working together. I remember Roger H years ago as Todd, the rapist on OLTL. The fact that he was able to keep the character alive all these years was because of what Roger H brought to the role, that you felt sorry, SOMEHOW ,with the character ,because of what Roger brought to the role. Ron C is obviously listening to all the fans against Franco because he is trying so hard to redeem the character of Franco (rescueing Micheal). I would love to still have Todd Manning, but all that crap with PP and ABC ruined it all.

    Sam and Silas, definite hot chemistry between them! The way he touches he face-WOW! But, I am sure there will be something bad in his background that will cause problems. But how great, after all these years when ME and KM were on Port Charles, a show way before it’s time , with the vampire story, but they had some hot romance scenes for an afternoon soap. And all these years later, both actors still have chemistry together. Very rare.
    Wow, Julian and Alexis!! Alexis needs a hot man and she always went fr the bad boys.

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    J Bernard Jones

    When Franco put his head in Carly’s lap, that was the turning point for me. Team, um, Team Them.

    (Of course, my dirty mind thought he was going to Peter Florrick her Alicia, but that’s another story.)

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    Duchess

    Big yuck to both Franco/Carly and Sonny/Olivia. Maybe Carly has a brain tumor too because it’s the only way I can believe she would sleep with Franco. Sonny and Olivia are just blah. Frankly I’d much rather see Sonny and Carly again. I see much more chemistry in their scenes and of course they have the history.

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    LizzieVee

    “I’m with you Perkie…I am having the hardest time understanding how Carly can have a romantic relationship with the man that did such terrible things to her family. (And I didn’t think it was “hot.”)

    The Carly I’ve always known would never, ever forgive him for that. Look at how she was never able to forgive Robin simply for telling the truth about Baby Michael.”

    __________________________

    What is not to understand? I never, ever thought Jason would forgive Sam for what she did to his son, Jake — thugs with guns in the park, wishing he was dead, etc. What she did should have been unforgivable in his mind. It took him years to forgive Robin, who he was in love with for what she did regarding his nephew’s paternity and he eventually did but he never took her back.

    But taking Sam back, marrying her, and having a child with her, that completely ruined him forever in my eyes.

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    thecourt99

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]Carl Hutchins terrorized Rachel Cory for decades on Another World, then they went on to become one of the soap’s most popular, endearing late-life pairings.[/quote]

    I see your point, and I know that it happens on soaps all the time, however there are some characters where it just doesn’t fit with their past characterization. She was always the uber over protective mother. She took the momma lion characteristic to new levels, so for her, it doesn’t make sense…and it is rather quick since she started softening towards him even before she talked him off the ledge. She has been battling her feelings for a long time, feelings that I never saw develop. So it came out of nowhere, and it doesn’t make sense to me for her character. Maybe its just me.

    I didn’t see it when Sharon stayed with Adam after finding out what he did to Faith either. So maybe it is me.

  9. Profile photo of Jamey Giddens
    Jamey Giddens

    I didn’t see it when Sharon stayed with Adam after finding out what he did to Faith either. So maybe it is me.
    ***
    I loved Shadam too. LOL I guess I am a sucker for Beauty and the Beast tales.

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    janel22

    okay I don’t see why people don’t like Carly with Franco yes I don’t like the character but at least they mellow him out and Laura Wright and Roger Hogarth have amazing chemistry and you see Franco is trying to make amends I mean on Days EJ in my opinion rape Sami made her think their daughter was dead force her to tell their son Johnny she didn’t love him and Sami shot him and yet they are the hottest couple on Days right now Luke rape Laura and they became the most popular couple on GH love this episode GH and Days have been on fire lately I’m on Team Michael even though he sometimes a bit hypcrite I love Morgan but his lfe been volience free do he really want his siblings lives

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    J Bernard Jones

    I’m completely on board with Jamey’s Carl Hutchins/Rachel Cory analogy, but I’d also add Roger Thorpe/Holly Reade. Both Carl & Roger did horrific things to Rachel and Holly and their families respectively, yet those women fell in love and/or stayed attracted to these relative monsters.

    The key here is that neither Carl nor Roger were ever completely trusted in Bay City or Springfield; their crimes were not erased nor forgiven no matter how many attempts to atone for their respective reigns of terror they tried and accomplished. And they frequently backslid into their old ways….much like Todd on OLTL. I think this will always be true for Franco, too and that keeps that character & his twisted past interesting (at least to this viewer).

    It is interesting (and not a criticism here) that we’ve seen Julian point blank shoot & kill someone, and he’s admittedly using super cute Baby Balkan as a “hostage” in his war with Sonny (the latter being a brilliant plot twist, by the way), and yet there is quite a bit of twitterpating over Julian & Alexis’ steamy, sexy kiss. Just sayin’….

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    J Bernard Jones

    I never, ever thought Jason would forgive Sam for what she did to his son, Jake — thugs with guns in the park, wishing he was dead, etc. What she did should have been unforgivable in his mind.

    To be fair, after the park incident Jason did tell Sam right to her face that he would kill her.

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    Ravennite613

    JBJ – I too completely agree about the MOMENT because that is what finally sold me on Carly and Franco

    BUT the HOT DAYUM moment was Julian and ALexis – when he grabbed her and said it was Carly he wanted I wanted to be Alexis – because I melted and then to top it off with I remember you —- puddle

    Silas and Sam it’s amazing to me — no matter what you call these two their chemistry is REDONKULOUS and off the charts.

    We all know how I felt about Jason forgiving Sam so if that can happen why shouldn’t Carly be able to forgive Franco crazy as we think it is

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    mipeony

    Ditto to Perkie’s post! Except I agree with JBJ on that scene, when Franco put his head in Carly’s lap that gave me some respect for the coupling. RoHo and LW do work really well together. She brings out the softer side in RoHo, and when she’s working with him, she screeches less. LOL!

    I was so disappointed that Sonny was even involved in the reveal of Julian as Sam’s father. Can him and Olivia just go the heck away? I want to see Sam and Danny bonding more with Julian, but that probably won’t happen now, although when Auntie Ava starts messing with Sam (we all know she will over her obsession with Silas), I hope Julian will back his daughter and not his sister. I did like Julian and Alexis’s kiss, though I wish it would’ve come under different circumstances, and as much as I love WdV as Julian, I still wish they would’ve gotten Vincent Izzary as Sam’s dad instead. I believe VI and NLG would’ve looked wonderful together!

    Michael vs Morgan just reminds me of Jason vs AJ, one brother self righteous and never loses, the other whiny, weak, and self destructive. Been there, done that, put it back in the writer’s vault. Not that I want it to happen, but it’s probably time for a pregnancy scare with Kiki wondering who’s the baby daddy since she was with both brothers not too long ago.

    And I agree with logan_echolls about ME’s haircut!

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    bobbyew

    Best episode ever!!! The music at the end was great. The kiss between Alexis and Julian was so hot it left her in tears. Carly and Franco was so sexy as were Sonny and Olivia. Sonny’s master suite was decorated handsomely.

    Carlos getting hoe checked by Shawn was awesome. The engine was fire on all cylinders.

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    soapjunkie88

    JULEXIS! :love: :love: :love: So hot!!!!
    That is going to be one hot story. I’m loving it.

    Sam needs to go to Silas’ place, have a baby sitter at home with Danny and already do the nasty with the doc. LOL

    Okay, I was a big Shadam fan back in the day … love EJami … as for Carly/Franco … I don’t know. Yeah that sex scene was hot. But I still kind of feeling weird about them. Maybe if GH turns it into one these forbidden romances where everyone is against them then I could become a fan. LOL
    But for now, I’m watching and don’t know what to think anymore.

    Sonny and Olivia. :Sp
    Can’t with this couple. Where is Brenda Barrett when you need her? LOL
    But I have to admit that Lisa LoCicero has a crazy great-looking body. Not to mention that her chemistry with Max is fantastic. I’d wish more for a Olivia/Max/Diane triangle than this awkward relationship with Sonny.
    “Oh and Sonny don’t forget, before you shoot somebody, have a tea party with him first.” :tired:

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    Daniel St. John

    [quote=Jamey Giddens]Carl Hutchins terrorized Rachel Cory for decades on Another World, then they went on to become one of the soap’s most popular, endearing late-life pairings.[/quote]
    Franco being responsible for Carly’s son getting raped trumps any of the kidnappings or stealing of Cory Publishing that Carl did in relation to Rachel.
    And when it is a character like Carly who holds grudges for decades over far less I just don’t buy it and I never will.

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    Daniel St. John

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]I’m completely on board with Jamey’s Carl Hutchins/Rachel Cory analogy, but I’d also add Roger Thorpe/Holly Reade. Both Carl & Roger did horrific things to Rachel and Holly and their families respectively, yet those women fell in love and/or stayed attracted to these relative monsters.
    The key here is that neither Carl nor Roger were ever completely trusted in Bay City or Springfield; their crimes were not erased nor forgiven no matter how many attempts to atone for their respective reigns of terror they tried and accomplished. And they frequently backslid into their old ways….much like Todd on OLTL. I think this will always be true for Franco, too and that keeps that character & his twisted past interesting (at least to this viewer).
    It is interesting (and not a criticism here) that we’ve seen Julian point blank shoot & kill someone, and he’s admittedly using super cute Baby Balkan as a “hostage” in his war with Sonny (the latter being a brilliant plot twist, by the way), and yet there is quite a bit of twitterpating over Julian & Alexis’ steamy, sexy kiss. Just sayin’….[/quote]
    The difference with Carl/Rachel and especially Roger/Holly is that those women had long and complicated histories with those bad men. And in Holly’s case she was just as obsessed with Roger as he was with her. That weakness was what formed the majority of Holly’s character.
    And the difference between Julian and Alexis (aside from Alexis being a mobster groupie) is that Julian didn’t do any of those horrible things to Alexis or her children.
    Michael’s rape being Franco’s fault is too big of an obstacle to just sweep under the rug and no amount of retconning Franco’s history changes that fact. Ron and Frank screwed up by deciding that RH would be Franco. A lot of trouble could have been avoided if they had just made RH any other character and it is even more evident based on the desperate move to change Franco’s backstory yet again to being Heather and Scotty’s kid.

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    Nk3play2

    I can put up with a lot of shit, BUT I just don’t see Carly EVER doing this. And fuck what Franco did to Michael, what about what he did to Jason. Though I’m sure which is worse, Carly has always treated Jason like he had the platinum penis (and she ONLY had it once) and anyone who would dare try to hurt him she’s always hated. So that is honestly why the Franco thing makes no sense, NOT because of Michael (though it should be), but because of Jason.

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=Nk3play2]I can put up with a lot of shit, BUT I just don’t see Carly EVER doing this. And fuck what Franco did to Michael, what about what he did to Jason. Though I’m sure which is worse, Carly has always treated Jason like he had the platinum penis (and she ONLY had it once) and anyone who would dare try to hurt him she’s always hated. So that is honestly why the Franco thing makes no sense, NOT because of Michael (though it should be), but because of Jason.[/quote]

    But Jason is dead. Why would Carly still care? Jason isn’t around anymore to save her ass and stuff. Carly is always about Carly. She hated basically all the people in Jason’s life not because she wanted what’s best for him but because she wanted him for herself. It was never about people trying to hurt Jason. It was always about who could hurt Carly’s sick relationship with Jason. ;)

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    robertscorpio

    [quote=Daniel St. John][quote=J Bernard Jones]I’m completely on board with Jamey’s Carl Hutchins/Rachel Cory analogy, but I’d also add Roger Thorpe/Holly Reade. Both Carl & Roger did horrific things to Rachel and Holly and their families respectively, yet those women fell in love and/or stayed attracted to these relative monsters.
    The key here is that neither Carl nor Roger were ever completely trusted in Bay City or Springfield; their crimes were not erased nor forgiven no matter how many attempts to atone for their respective reigns of terror they tried and accomplished. And they frequently backslid into their old ways….much like Todd on OLTL. I think this will always be true for Franco, too and that keeps that character & his twisted past interesting (at least to this viewer).
    It is interesting (and not a criticism here) that we’ve seen Julian point blank shoot & kill someone, and he’s admittedly using super cute Baby Balkan as a “hostage” in his war with Sonny (the latter being a brilliant plot twist, by the way), and yet there is quite a bit of twitterpating over Julian & Alexis’ steamy, sexy kiss. Just sayin’….[/quote]
    The difference with Carl/Rachel and especially Roger/Holly is that those women had long and complicated histories with those bad men. And in Holly’s case she was just as obsessed with Roger as he was with her. That weakness was what formed the majority of Holly’s character.
    And the difference between Julian and Alexis (aside from Alexis being a mobster groupie) is that Julian didn’t do any of those horrible things to Alexis or her children.
    Michael’s rape being Franco’s fault is too big of an obstacle to just sweep under the rug and no amount of retconning Franco’s history changes that fact. Ron and Frank screwed up by deciding that RH would be Franco. A lot of trouble could have been avoided if they had just made RH any other character and it is even more evident based on the desperate move to change Franco’s backstory yet again to being Heather and Scotty’s kid.[/quote]

    Didn’t watch GL but on AW, Rachel’s and Carl’s long complicated history consisted of him terrorizing her family and trying to kill her previous husband on a number of occasions. No matter how you try to spin it, its still comparable to the current Carly/Franco pairing. I’m on board with it and definitely have been softened to the character of Franco due to RH. And to whomever first mentioned the Rachel and Carl comparison, thank you. That comparison has now made me want to get more on board with Carly and Franco because by the end of AW, I loved the relationship of Rachel and Carl.

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    stefanstavros

    I agree that the real Carly would never go for Franco after everything he did. Of course it’s been made to happen because LW and RH wanted to work with each other and, obviously, they have enough clout with Frank to get their wishes. Yes, I stand firm the decision to bring RH back as Franco was a COLOSSAL mistake. I will add that RH recent scenes after returning home from the gallery have been REALLY well acted. It reminded me of the reason I have loved RH as Todd for so many years. He’s so good at playing conflicted, lost and self loathsome.
    LMAO moment of the day: the awkward way Kiki jumped in the water…LOL
    My mind was going crazy imagining parodies that could’ve been done with this scene, the funniest being having Franco pulling out Michael and then showing Jason, covered in grunge and looking like a water-zombie, come out too hanging onto the end of Michael’s leg!
    I like ME’s shorter hair; it makes him look younger.

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    liason4real

    Team Morgan!

    I kept waiting for Morgan to push Starr 2.0 into the water! :party:

    Yes, Jason told Sam he would put a bullet in her head, but he failed to pull the trigger and took the woman back that terrorized his kid.

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    J Bernard Jones

    The difference with Carl/Rachel and especially Roger/Holly is that those women had long and complicated histories with those bad men. And in Holly’s case she was just as obsessed with Roger as he was with her. That weakness was what formed the majority of Holly’s character.

    Here a just a few of Roger’s crimes during all this time that Holly was in love and/or obssessed with him:

    Attempted rape of Janet Mason [September 18, 1972]

    Verbally abused his wife, Peggy Scott Thorpe [1976 to 1977]

    Threatened Rita Stapleton to keep silent about their one-night stand at the Granger ranch in Texas [late 1976 – early 1977]

    Raped Rita Stapleton [Oct 13, 1978]

    Blackmailed Alan Spaulding with the affidavits from de Vilar and La Crosse (1979)

    Pressured and threatened Diane Ballard into making Holly believe that they were having an affair. (February – March 1979)

    Raped his wife, Holly [Mar 6, 1979]

    Assaulted Ed Bauer [May 25, 1979]

    Blackmailed Alan Spaulding into helping him evade police [May 29, 1979]

    Tried to kidnap his daughter, Chrissy. [late 1979 to early 1980]

    Kidnapped Rita Stapleton Bauer [February 4, 1980]

    indirectly responsible for Renee DuBois’ death. [February 1980]

    Kidnapped Holly Norris [Mar 7, 1980]

    Shot Ed Bauer [Mar 1980]

    Brought up a property on Fifth Street, to demolish homes and business so he could build the Blakewood Towers and let Neil Everest and Vanessa Chamberlain be falsely accused of this crime on Johnny Bauer’s TV talk show, “One on One.” (early November 1989 – January 1990)

    Indirectly responsible for the 5th St. fire that killed Pops Cooper [last week of January 1990]

    Shot and killed his henchman Scully to save Fletcher Reade [March 1990]

    Let Billy Lewis falsely accuse Vanessa Chamberlain of having an affair with him. (April 17, 1990)

    Stole Ruth Price’s deed, showing that Billy Lewis owned the property that the Waterview Towers were built on, which led to her having a heart attack. (May 14, 1990)

    Kidnapped Ruth Price after she suffered a heart attack [May 21, 1990]

    Took nude pictures of Reva Shayne Lewis to blackmail Billy Lewis with [June 1, 1990]

    Embezzled money from the Spaulding Foundation and WSPR and let John Davis get arrested for the crime. [early 1991]

    Swindled Hart Jessup’s grandfather out of his farm [April 1991]

    Killed Daniel St. John [February 14, 1992]

    Blackmailed Gilly Grant [1993]

    Killed John Davis [July 6, 1993]

    Ran Dylan Lewis out of business. [Fall 1993]

    Arranged the kidnapping of Eleni Cooper [November 8, 1993]

    Attacked and threatened Jenna Bradshaw Thorpe to kidnap her unborn child[November 30, 1993]

    Tried to frame Billy Lewis for his shooting by breaking into his home and stealing his gun, then switching the bloody bullet with the one he stole from Billy’s gun. [December 1993 – January 1994]

    Handcuffed Alan Spaulding to a chair and threatened to murder him in order to coerce him into getting Alexandra to admit Roger did not cheat on Holly [New Year’s Day 1995]

    Staged a car accident and faked amnesia to win Holly back. [May 1995]

    Assaulted Fletcher Reade and attempted to strangle him [August 11, 1995]

    Framed Dinah Marler’s best friend, Marcus Williams, for a theft he didn’t commit. [Late 1995]

    Embezzled money from Dinah Marler’s trust fund [early 1996]

    DruggedDinah Marler [March – May 1996]

    Faked a heart attack in order to avoid going to trial for embezzling Dinah’s money. [May 1996]

    Set up an attempted murder of Dinah and pretended to be her hero by rescuing her. [November 8, 1996]

    Set it up to make it appear to Bridget Reardon and Hart Jessup that Dinah had lost his grandson, Peter. [November 18, 1996]

    Blackmailed an ill Vanessa Chamberlain into giving him Spaulding secrets [January 7, 1997]

    And that’s about 1/2 of his shenanigans, which include the 2 rapes and an attempted one.

    And the difference between Julian and Alexis (aside from Alexis being a mobster groupie) is that Julian didn’t do any of those horrible things to Alexis or her children.

    But in Julian’s case, not only has he misled the mother of his daughter and his daughter about his identity, he is BY HIS OWN ADMISSION using Danny — Alexis’ grandson, Sam’s son — as a fail safe “hostage” in a brewing mob war that he both planned and started.

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    Daniel St. John

    That list of Roger’s misdeeds were not necessary because I watched it unfold (and own the DVD!) and consider Roger to be my favorite soap villain.
    Also posting all of it does nothing to change my opinion…Roger and Holly had tons of history before they got back together and it was established early on in their relationship that Holly and Roger were obsessed with one another regardless of how toxic they were to one another. Holly going back to Roger after all of that made sense for the character. Nothing about this Carly/Franco thing makes sense for the character of Carly. She is an unforgiving, grudge holding, vindictive bitch on wheels who is insanely protective of her friends and family, especially her children. So the idea that she would fall in love with the man responsible for her son getting raped is ludicrous and pointing out all of the other instances of good women falling for men who have wronged them in soaps doesn’t change the fact that this rings false because it is not who Carly is as a character.

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    J Bernard Jones

    That list of Roger’s misdeeds were not necessary because I watched it unfold (and own the DVD!) and consider Roger to be my favorite soap villain.
    Also posting all of it does nothing to change my opinion…

    Not trying to change your opinion. And, while that list may not have been necessary for you, there are others who may not be as familiar with our references to Roger/Holly (or Carl/Rachel). The point being, of course, that Roger was a terrible man, some would even say a monster, who did terrible things TO Holly and their child and yet she found herself drawn to him despite herself…as she often lamented.

    Whether they had “tons of history” is irrelevant to the fact that they had to have met at some point and they got together off and on before and AFTER he raped and terrorized her. Certainly Carl and Rachel’s love story happened after he’d terrorized her and her family many times.

    Whether it was Rachel & Carl or Roger & Holly, they all had to start somewhere and Franco/Carly is no different.

    She is an unforgiving, grudge holding, vindictive bitch on wheels who is insanely protective of her friends and family, especially her children. So the idea that she would fall in love with the man responsible for her son getting raped is ludicrous and pointing out all of the other instances of good women falling for men who have wronged them in soaps doesn’t change the fact that this rings false because it is not who Carly is as a character.

    Just substitute early vindictive grudge holding Rachel Cory or latter reformed mother lioness Rachel Cory for Carly and you could say the same thing about her and Carl Hutchins.

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    Jamey Giddens

    Carl didn’t just try to seize control of Cory Publishing. He tried to kill the Corys. He stalked Amanda. He terrorized Marley and Felica, who were dear friends of the Corys. Kathleen had to fake her death to hide from Carl. He was as much a monster as Franco.

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    Daniel St. John

    But did Carl have a hand in Matt Cory getting raped?

    I see this Carly/Franco thing like if Anna entered into a romantic relationship with Faison. It would be grossly out of character for Anna and it’s the same way with Carly.

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    J Bernard Jones

    Carly’s attraction to Franco — which is purely my take on it — ultimately comes from her seeing herself in him or sees him at least as a kindred spirit. For all of the reasons that people say that Carly should not be attracted to him (and they are right, to be honest), I wonder how many forget that Carly came to the Chuckles just like Franco if we accept his revised backstory (and I do): she was out to hurt Bobbie by destroying everything and everything her mother loved because Bobbie had given her away for adoption and missed out on the life she thought she should have lived, just like Franco came to town to hurt Jason and everyone connected to Jason because his mother (now Heather) had given him away for adoption, and he’d missed out on everything he thought he should have had. In addition, one throughline with Franco was that he was crazy/mentally ill (first simply as a psychopath, later as the possible result of his tumor). Lest we forget, Carly spent some time in a mental institution herself for shooting Tony after he kidnapped Michael, which would make her at least partially sympathetic to him in this regard. There is even a minor tidbit that connects them (although this applies to many in the cast … LOL), but Carly came to town under a partial alias “Carly Roberts” (“Carly” comes from the name of the person whose identity she assumed) although her real name is Caroline Benson, just as “Franco” is a take off on the name Robert Frank.

    So while this hasn’t been spelled out on the show, based on Carly’s history I can see how she could find herself drawn to him if she believes that he could overcome the worst aspects of who he was (even the most monstrous parts) just as she has tried to do all these years.

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    But did Carl have a hand in Matt Cory getting raped?

    Well, since Matt wasn’t raped, that’s not a fair question if taken literally but if we take it figuratively, for all the evil Carl perpetrated against Rachel and the Cory’s he might as well have.

    I see this Carly/Franco thing like if Anna entered into a romantic relationship with Faison. It would be grossly out of character for Anna and it’s the same way with Carly.

    Fair enough. But people — fans in real life and characters on the show — said it was grossly out of character for Rachel to fall in love with Carl after all the things he did to her and her family.

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    THEBEST

    All of the haters need to get over it. I consider Roger Howarth’s version of Franco & James Franco’s version 2 totally different characters.

    In the past 6 months, Franco has had his daughter ripped from him, been shot in the head, had a brain tumor, gotten brutally beaten, volunteered to give Danny bone marrow, saved Michael & Kiki’s lives and has been de-Quatermained. Redemption complete. What else do you people want?

    Julian can do the most heinous things and get praised, yet Franco is still being ridiculed. Don’t even mention the serial killings. They happened offscreen with another actor. So, to me, they don’t exist LOL

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    logan_echolls

    [quote=Daniel St. John]But did Carl have a hand in Matt Cory getting raped?

    I see this Carly/Franco thing like if Anna entered into a romantic relationship with Faison. It would be grossly out of character for Anna and it’s the same way with Carly.[/quote]

    “clap” “clap” “clap”

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    Daniel St. John

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]Carly’s attraction to Franco — which is purely my take on it — ultimately comes from her seeing herself in him or sees him at least as a kindred spirit. For all of the reasons that people say that Carly should not be attracted to him (and they are right, to be honest), I wonder how many forget that Carly came to the Chuckles just like Franco if we accept his revised backstory (and I do): she was out to hurt Bobbie by destroying everything and everything her mother loved because Bobbie had given her away for adoption and missed out on the life she thought she should have lived, just like Franco came to town to hurt Jason and everyone connected to Jason because his mother (now Heather) had given him away for adoption, and he’d missed out on everything he thought he should have had. In addition, one throughline with Franco was that he was crazy/mentally ill (first simply as a psychopath, later as the possible result of his tumor). Lest we forget, Carly spent some time in a mental institution herself for shooting Tony after he kidnapped Michael, which would make her at least partially sympathetic to him in this regard. There is even a minor tidbit that connects them (although this applies to many in the cast … LOL), but Carly came to town under a partial alias “Carly Roberts” (“Carly” comes from the name of the person whose identity she assumed) although her real name is Caroline Benson, just as “Franco” is a take off on the name Robert Frank.
    So while this hasn’t been spelled out on the show, based on Carly’s history I can see how she could find herself drawn to him if she believes that he could overcome the worst aspects of who he was (even the most monstrous parts) just as she has tried to do all these years.[/quote]
    I could possibly see my way past my virulent objections to this storyline if the show had actually portrayed this relationship in the way you describe but as you noted that is not what we got from GH. We got Carly almost immediately drawn to Franco with no justification for it all.

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]Well, since Matt wasn’t raped, that’s not a fair question if taken literally but if we take it figuratively, for all the evil Carl perpetrated against Rachel and the Cory’s he might as well have.[/quote]
    Of all soap crimes I would have to rank “causing my son’s prison rape” to be #1 on the list by a mile.

    [quote=J Bernard Jones]Fair enough. But people — fans in real life and characters on the show — said it was grossly out of character for Rachel to fall in love with Carl after all the things he did to her and her family.[/quote]
    But this isn’t Another World and Carly isn’t Rachel Cory. Rachel hadn’t been the scheming bitch in decades and the AW writers did a better job of showing how Rachel and Carl grew into their attraction to each other.
    Carly is not the forgiving type and for her to just magically be forgiving of someone who hurt her child in this most despicable way is so far out of bounds that I can’t buy it.
    I get that LW and RH have great chemistry but that doesn’t automatically make this coupling work because at the end of the day there is no way Carly could ever look past what Franco did to Michael.

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    Daniel St. John

    [quote=THEBEST]All of the haters need to get over it. I consider Roger Howarth’s version of Franco & James Franco’s version 2 totally different characters.
    In the past 6 months, Franco has had his daughter ripped from him, been shot in the head, had a brain tumor, gotten brutally beaten, volunteered to give Danny bone marrow, saved Michael & Kiki’s lives and has been de-Quatermained. Redemption complete. What else do you people want? [/quote]
    I would like to not have characters completely acting out of character just because two actors have decent chemistry. Julian and Ava have more chemistry together than they do with any if the other people they have been paired with on the show…maybe they should just say to hell with incest and just hop in the sack.

    [quote=THEBEST]
    Julian can do the most heinous things and get praised, yet Franco is still being ridiculed. Don’t even mention the serial killings. They happened offscreen with another actor. So, to me, they don’t exist LOL[/quote]
    Aside from blowing up a few warehouses what has Julian done? Past misdeeds don’t count since it was another actor in the role, it happened almost 30 years ago and the guy has already “died”.

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    Karissa

    Yes Carl and Roger were monsters but Franco is evil. The viewer clearly is not buying this pairing no matter the chemistry and the main reason is Carly wouldn’t be with a guy responsible for her son’s rape. It is a disgusting pairing. Frank and Ron need to cut bait and let this storyline go

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    Yoryla

    Okay. This Cranco crap is utter bs. So they *actually* had to have Franco just conveniently happen by when Michael was drowning, to save him, just a few minutes after Carly had told him “no” because he had Michael raped. How utterly distasteful. Note to GH: Franco is never, *ever* going to be accepted as some sort of other than a murderous, crazy piranha on this show, no matter how many gimmicks are pulled.

    And btw, this thread having excerpts of *other* crazies’ misdeeds to back Franco up as “not being so bad” is an angle that IMO rarely works.

    The gallery scenes were good, although Julian is a total snake. Sonny is totally right. How could he not give Danny his marrow? Mob or no mob, that’s his grandson, and he should do everything in his power to make sure he is safe. I again waited for Sam or Alexis to slap the ish out of him, with no such luck. I did enjoy Alexis looking at him with disdain, so there was that. However, I’m not going to enjoy any sort of schoolgirl routine from Alexis at this point. I must demand that she keeps strong for her daughter and grandson’s sake, and reject all of Julian’s advances. Julian needs to do some major groveling.

    There are no words for Kiki’s horrible, horrible screeching nor the ridiculousness that is Michael and Morgan. Just ugh.

    I actually like Sonny & Olivia, they have a sweet, natural chemistry, even if it’s kind of “easy” without any third parties involved. However, I could imagine them getting married sometime next year, with Brenda returning in just the eleventh hour to stop it. Of course, not the same way Robin just did, because that would be too soon.

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    Yoryla

    [quote=THEBEST]Julian can do the most heinous things and get praised, yet Franco is still being ridiculed.[/quote]

    I actually agree with this. Julian has gotten off *way* too easily to some audience members. I couldn’t care less how hot he is, the situation still is he is a mobster, a liar, and interested in mostly saving his own behind. I especially don’t like it if people seem to giving him a pass just because he happened to parade around shirtless. That’s just stupid. And when he kissed Alexis at the gallery opening, I most certainly didn’t see it as “hot”, I saw it as him stompling yet another weak woman to try to get him to do whatever he wants. And if Alexis had pulled away from the kiss and slapped him as a response, that IMO would have been the right thing to do. What I do not want to see is a weak Alexis who will actually let this snake walk all over her. It’s Julian who has the explaining to do and who has to do the work, not the other way around.

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