DC #752: Talking Soaps With TV Guide Magazine’s Michael Logan


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56 Responses

  1. Profile photo of CillinFan
    CillinFan

    Totally agree, that is because Michael Logan is a Ron Carlivati KissAss. He is not a impartial soap writer. He favors GH and has no problem sending rude tweets to the actors. Tristan Rogers and Jack Wagner are two examples. Read his Twitter timeline.

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    Coffee_Junkie

    [quote=pferrando]I don’t know if you’ve noticed his tweets or not, but it’s the same there.This guy has issues.[/quote]

    Yeah, his tweet about the music box plot made my blood boil. I actually think they need to move it along too, so my issue wasn’t that he was bashing the plot. I thought it was so tacky for him to bash the plot and whine about wanting Tristan Rogers back on GH and INCLUDE the actor in the tweet. Why didn’t he tweet it to Jess Walton too while he was at it? He tried to back pedal the next day when so many people called him on it, but that’s the ONLY reason he back pedaled. He’s a loser. He should just stick to writing his column and stay off twitter.

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    RealityCheck 33

    Logan is too much of a shill for the networks. The fact that he admits to being a FOJ loses him major points for me. Y&R may have huge ratings now, but the show is as boring as watching paint dry. The main focus of the show is uncompelling to this viewer. GH and DAYS are the shows to watch, it’s just the way I see it. LOL.

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    Restless Fan

    I disagree with Logan on his take about Guza/Phleps keeping GH healthy enough to be spared the chopping block. If that’s not spinning straw into gold I don’t know what is. GH was hovering at the 1.6 area at the time they were let go. It’s pretty well documented that ABC didn’t cancel GH because of the backlash they received from canceling AMC and OLTL. Regardless of anyones feelings about Cartini, they saved the show by re-focusing it on vets and delving into history (GH is still not my cup of tea, however). Something JFP’s shows are not really known for. She comes into a show and completely rebuilds the brand from production to characters. She’s like a Vegas architect; out with old, in with the new. There little to no salvaging with her. Jamey’s right, she may not have been in charge at the time a soap got cancelled but she leaves them in bloody shambles, which is almost just as bad.

    Logan has been in the biz a long time and no doubt made lots of friends. I don’t think he’d ever call out a friend who wasn’t doing their job up to par. He’s pretty lenient on JFP (even being a cheerleader for her at times) even though he’s rarely lenient on Y&R. I don’t get how can be critical of a shows performance without calling out the person on top. Most of the reason the show hasn’t worked has been because of her, IMO. I like Logan but as most soap journalists go, he’s definitely biased.

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    pferrando

    Very biased.

    And no one has said anything about him not being able to enjoy a show that he currently likes.

    People were upset last week with his comment about returning TR to GH, which I found ridiculous considering the character just arrived, and TR was NOT being utilized by GH.

    It’s that type of comment that solidifies a lot of people’s belief that he calls one show out for something, and then turns around and praises another show for doing the exact same. Fans do it all the time, but a journalist needs to be careful, I think.

    I don’t remember the exact specifics, but I know he had some major beef about Bill Bell and lack of “scoop” he’d get from YR back in the day when Bell gave scoop to no one. I think he still holds a grudge over that. IMO.

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    bobbyew

    What is it with GH fans hating on fans of YR? YR fans are the voice of reason. Very rare yr fans are negative towards other fans. Shows, ep, and writers is a different story. I should not be bashed for expressing myself.

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    soapjunkie88

    So I’ve listened to the podcast which I found very entertaining. However I don’t have to agree with anything being said.
    I for one don’t think that GH needs Jason back all that bad. The show is doing fine without him. So I’d rather see Dillon back to see Tracy as a mother again or even Lucky for the reason that I can’t believe he’d stay away from Cameron and Aiden for that long.

    About all the negative comments … sometimes I don’t get people’s problems but well. Anyone should be allowed to an opinion, but this opinion should at least be respectful.

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    Cornfed

    “Like a Vegas architect” — ROTF Restless Fan!

    Not sure if i should check out this podcast or not ;)

    I don’t feel strongly one way or the other and I don’t follow Twitter, but i should add that Logan did put Melody Thomas Scott as Best Actress at least a couple times in the past 10 years, IIRC. Don’t even remember him nominating GH actresses in that category, but please correct me if i’m wrong. Not sure how hard-core GH he could be given that??…

    Pfferando — great posts all of them, thanks for the info had no idea :beer: Did you listen to the podcast yet?

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    stoney07

    I haven’t listened to the podcast, mainly because I was scared that Michael Logan would make the entire thing about GH. I’ve noticed it…and he kind of annoys me.

    However, I may listen just so I can have something to gripe about. LOL. Haven’t had a disagreement with anyone on here in a while…hmm.

    *goes to listen*

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    Yoryla

    I’m surprised at all the negative comments here on Michael Logan.

    I for one have found him over the years to be one of the most respected and appreciated, if not The most respected and appreciated, soap journalist out there. He always has the scoop first. There’s a reason for that. Actors and industry people obviously like and trust the man, since he is always the one breaking the biggest news.

    I have no issues with the man. Nor have I ever noticed him to be biased toward one show. And even if he did have more backstage sources and information on certain soaps more than others, it’s not very uncommon. Everyone has a show they most like, and have the most allegiences with.

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    Coffee_Junkie

    Logan is two-faced. On twitter, he bashes Tristan Rogers’ story on YR and whines about how he should be back on GH. But if he suddenly had a sit down with Rogers just a few days later he’d be falling all over himself and gushing about how fab he is on Y&R, it’s GH’s loss, etc. etc. I’ve seen him do that (with other performers) before.

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=Coffee_Junkie]Logan is two-faced. On twitter, he bashes Tristan Rogers’ story on YR and whines about how he should be back on GH. But if he suddenly had a sit down with Rogers just a few days later he’d be falling all over himself and gushing about how fab he is on Y&R, it’s GH’s loss, etc. etc. I’ve seen him do that (with other performers) before.[/quote]

    The only thing I’ve seen from Logan is saying that he thinks Rogers’ Y&R story is a snore and that he’d like him back as Robert in a big story on GH. That’s his right of opinion. Don’t know what’s wrong with that.

    And you can love an actor’s performance and still have issues with his/her storyline. For example, I love Sharon Case’s acting but her stories on Y&R for the last couple of years have been crap in my opinion.

    I don’t know Michael Logan personally. I just see what he writes in 140 characters or less on Twitter and read most of his interviews. And from that I can’t judge him as being two-faced or a loser.
    Not to mention that I find it very hard to judge a person on what he writes on Twitter.

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    Coffee_Junkie

    [quote=soapjunkie88][quote=Coffee_Junkie]Logan is two-faced. On twitter, he bashes Tristan Rogers’ story on YR and whines about how he should be back on GH. But if he suddenly had a sit down with Rogers just a few days later he’d be falling all over himself and gushing about how fab he is on Y&R, it’s GH’s loss, etc. etc. I’ve seen him do that (with other performers) before.[/quote]
    The only thing I’ve seen from Logan is saying that he thinks Rogers’ Y&R story is a snore and that he’d like him back as Robert in a big story on GH. That’s his right of opinion. Don’t know what’s wrong with that.
    .[/quote]

    TAGGING the actor in the tweet, as I explained in my second post. That’s what’s wrong with it.

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    sodsince16

    The Stafford rumors strike as humorous – and I don’t want to be religiously insensitive – but I doubt she would be on a soap where the sanitarium is named The Miscavige Center….

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    liason4real

    What a fun podcast!

    Jason is not needed on the show and I say this as someone that likes the character.

    Tracy could use Dillon, and Liz could use sibling or parent.

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    SoapArmageddon

    The Haves and The Have No Reason For Watching is just plain terrible. Last season it was kind of a guilty pleasure for me. This season I take no pleasure in it, none at all.

    I like when Jillian and Luke agree on the podcast. How often does that happen? :)

    (I admit that I hadn’t listened to a podcast since last December.)

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    ChrisGa

    [quote=SoapArmageddon]The Haves and The Have No Reason For Watching is just plain terrible. Last season it was kind of a guilty pleasure for me. This season I take no pleasure in it, none at all.[/quote]

    Totally agree. Since it came back in January it’s been pretty bad, and not in a guilty pleasure way. And I think some of the acting has gotten even worse. I don’t know, it might be off my DVR when it rolls back around in May.

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    thecourt99

    I enjoyed the podcast. I didn’t think it was tilted towards any specific show.

    Anyway, on GH. I am not sure I agree that Jason is needed. I guess it depends on how the story needs to go. Anyway, the Jason bomb has already detonated, so what is the point? I would prefer that more of Tracy’s children return. While I like her relationship with Monica, Tracy still seems alone most of the time. What happened to rebuilding the Q’s? Creating battles for future generations? All we have is drunk AJ and he could have been so much more.

    THATHN (long title) – is a train wreck, but I still watch it. The acting is horrible. I can’t turn away.

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    Yoryla

    How on earth could Jason be needed on that show, when his leaving was one of the most important things that revived that show in the first place?

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    Wat Happened To GH

    This was an okay podcast but wish that Michael Logan was able to talk more and give more insight. I agree with Michael Logan on two fronts. The first being it is so, so, sad that Debbi Morgan (Angie, AMC) decided not to submit because she clearly wrecked shop at AMC 2.0 and deserves a pre nom and Emmy nod. Secondly, Logan said his dream would be for The View to go bye bye while All My Children and One Life To Live takes it place. I think that millions would agree that All My Children and One Life To Live still have tremendous equity left in them and deserves yet another chance. This lawsuit needs to be done with and these shows need to be back in the lineup because it would be a win/win for everyone.

    Logan’s comments about GH during the Phelps/Guza years.. blah blah blah! When are people in the know going to be real about GH? It wasn’t canceled because Sweeney and Frons didn’t have a replacement for it in 2011. If there had been a viable replacement for GH, people would be mourning it like millions are still mourning AMC and OneLife.

    I don’t completely share Logan’s GH love but I am a Cartini fan. I loved and adored their One Life on ABC a lot more than their GH. Also, IMO, I do not believe that GH needs another big name cast member. No to Billy Miller, No to Liz Hendrickson, No Michelle Stafford. If the big name isn’t Genie to the Francis in a VIABLE story then NO.. NO.. NO…

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    ANGELWENDY15

    Yoryla- Agree with everything you said. I am enjoying the break from Jason, who took up most of the show under Guza/Phelps. I want to see more Quartermaines, family stories, fights and all. Don’t bring back Jason anytime soon, just my opinion. I want Tristan back as Scorpio! I also watch Y &R and love Jill getting a story-line but the story, the music box, their constant bickering, getting old, is rather silly. I rather see Tristan as sexy Scorpio!!! Just my opinion.

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    Jillian Bowe

    @Angelwendy15 girl u preaching to the choir about Robert. Glad Jess is getting airtime but this storyline is so beneath her acting abilities. If they had to bring Colin back, why not have him help with Billy regarding Adam’s “death”? Since he’s mobbed up, why not have him try to muscle in on Nick’s nightclub. That would make that club nonsense interesting and have Colin go up against Victor. But I digress. ;) I would’ve LOVED to see Scorpio realize Victor Cassadine was running the WSB AND the reason why Robin left town. Brings TONS of history they both have, especially with Luke thrown in there.

    I can see why Jason is needed. He needs to know about Danny, Sonny needs him and the Corinthos kids REALLY need him right now. Especially Sonny’s boys. I mean Jesus, how green can they both be about the Jerome women? I’d just rather Dillon or Lucky come on home right about now and Billy Miller would be fab as either.

    @pferrando if u think that’s why I’m laughing. mkay. ‘Twas SARCASM at your off base remarks.

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    stoney07

    Whether Jason is needed or not…I don’t really care. All I know is I reaaalllly want Jason to be back on GH, played by Steve Burton. :) I really want Dylan to either leave town or die. I mean I like the Ian story right now, but not because of Dylan. I actually lose interest when Dylan is brought into the story.

    I hate to admit it, but the Colin/Jill story is weak to me. I stopped caring about that music box about a week after it was introduced. That’s not enough to base an entire storyline around to me. Colin could’ve come back for any number of reasons, instead of some random music box. Now they are talking about other people (I don’t even remember their names) and they were looking at some picture of some lady…I admit, I wasn’t really watching because it wasn’t interesting to me.

    I had forgotten all about Nick’s nightclub!!! What was the purpose of that? They haven’t even shown it in forever. Ahh well…I didn’t think it was necessary anyway.

    Another “I Hate to admit” moment…but David Tom as Billy…I loved it when he first returned, but now some of his performances are just….whiney. I don’t know what it is, maybe it takes a while for him to get back into it (though that’s kinda how he was in the beginning too) but geez…sometimes I just want to yell SHUT UP!!!

    As for Sharon…I would keep my cell phone in my hand at all times. How hard would it be to snap a picture of Cassie to show Nick? She’s sneaked up on Cassie a couple of times now, and she never thinks to try to snap a picture to prove that this isn’t some ghost. It grates my nerves. And I’m also noticing a little something that reminds me of Passions…where the characters are on their way downstairs (NICK) and it takes them FOREVER to get there, and as soon as Cassie left, he just magically appears. I really don’t like that.

    BUT, I still say the show is much better now. It’s just little details like that that I can’t stand. A bunch of little small stuff. But overall, I’m enjoying the show.

    B&B right now is ON FIRE. I’m not here for Liam and Hope…actually, I’m not here for Liam at all anymore, which is why I’m loving B&B because he’s not on as much. I’m loving seeing other cast members and characters…still LOVE Quinn, love crazy Aly, love Crazy Pam…wow. Reminds me of the good days when EACH SCENE was must see. Not just Hope and Liam, and then a bunch of filler scenes to fill the time. (That’s what we got 2 years ago)

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    pferrando

    Ms. Bowe- I know you know I knew it was sarcasm on your part. ;)

    I’ve interacted with you on Twitter, and read enough of your comments to know. But thanks for setting the record straight.

    And as you’ve read on this thread, a lot of people get the same thing from Logan as I do.

    I respect your respect for him. Respect our opinion as well.

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    harlee490

    I don’t really know about ML’s on twitter just read his interviews and have enjoyed. I didn’t follow because not on twitter very rarely now days because of all the mean spirited atmosphere displayed.

    I listened to podcast yesterday, personally I thought it was OK, Logan was a tad heavy on GH, it did seem his favorite soap is GH….but who doesn’t have a favorite soap? Come on. I think DC does a pretty good job at trying not being biased but as all of us they still must have their own favorites but not spoken out loud….the posts would light UP! :O When I say light up not speaking of something fun ;)

    As for YR my issue only, he didn’t bash but I thought he did come across as FOJ. I totally disagree how he thought JFP is (paraphrasing)doing good under her tenure but not addressing some of problems stilling exist. I’m not saying JFP is horrible as MAB or LML. I feel with Jean coming aboard the show has gotten much better and with more punch. My problem still is YR some of stories are just plots and no depth, quick pace still bothers me…why can’t YR (being a Sony) do as DOOL in telling long-term stories? How can’t Sony/CBS see the success of Days/NBC are having with the pace of stories and lasting months, a year or even two years…I don’t get it?

    As far as Jill’s story YUCK, it’s pure plot for Colin…WTF was with the cheesy daydream? Errr! This isn’t Jill Foster Abbott not even shades of Jill. My biggest complaint is Steve Burton/Dylan character having mostly more airtime than any player on canvas. Great example was yesterday’s episode (Wednesday 3/12) it was all about Dylan…everyone talking about Dylan, Nikki\Paul, Nikki\Victor, Nick\Dylan, Paul\Chris, Ken\Cupcake Barbie oozing about their love, Nikki being so full glee…it irritates the hell out me. |( I despise this character as Daisy…no to be honest I have hatred for this character. The only good part of show was of course for me Shick, and yes as predicted by many the doctor working for Victor. The only part I did find a likening is 2Cassie growing a conscience about her deed towards Sharon…you go gurl! :bigsmile:

    I know way too long but read every post and definitely enjoyed all the opinions. I will post again but it’s worth a second look who might not seen it, this is how Bill did it :love:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17TByru3ZPQ “Which tank would you like to dry out in this time”

    Had to post huge moment in YR’s history! :love:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja6E8hQuFek

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    Jillian Bowe

    @Harlee: SAY IT AGAIN HONEY! Jill should be at Jabot trying to crush Newman, not worry about some tired ass music box! The storyline is weak as hell. It doesn’t do a THING for Jess at all imo. If Colin was brought back for Jess, why not have him do some mess like, stall Newman deliveries so Jabot can come out on top? He can use his mob connections like that, in order to get in with Jill and Cane. This music box madness is dumb as hell.

    @pferrando mkay.

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    soapjunkie88

    I could totally see Billy Miller as Dillon, not so much as Lucky. I always thought Greg Vaughan was miscast as Lucky and that some boyish faces like Jacob Young and Jonathan Jackson fit the role of Luke’s cowboy much better. But you’d have me on board with Killer Miller as Jane Elliot’s on-screen son, Jillian. Can you imagine!? The TV would explode!
    Not to mention that Miller had pretty good chemistry with Emme Rylan on Y&R.

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    Coffee_Junkie

    I think the music box was (inexplicably) a conduit to get Colin into town. I think he will be doing others things as time goes on (especially if Jess is still RECURRING, because Rogers is on contract). It seems that Colin will now be mentoring his idiot son. Ugh!

    The plots seem to move at a snail’s pace, even more than before (ever since Jean Passanante came on board).

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    gato1

    Thank u for the Jen Lilley love she is Awesome. Lovin Days. Some of u commenters need to calm down, y’all would bitch if u got hung with a new rope, all t

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    gato1

    Thank u for the Jen Lilley love she is Awesome. Lovin Days. Some of u commenters need to calm down, y’all would bitch if u got hung with a new rope, all t

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    ChrisGa

    [quote=gato1]Thank u for the Jen Lilley love she is Awesome. Lovin Days. Some of u commenters need to calm down, y’all would bitch if u got hung with a new rope, all t[/quote]

    Yeah, I’m glad to see someone is appreciating Jen Lilley’s special brand of hell raising on Days. Wasn’t watching GH when she was on but she is truly SLAYING on Days every minute she’s on. She’s another one from Days that should’ve been on the Supporting Actress pre-nom list along with Judi Evans and Lauren Koslow.

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    SoapArmageddon

    Add mine to the chorus of voices singing Jen Lilley’s praises. She’s really, really good at being bad, tough but vulnerable.

    I hope the show gives Theresa a sexy, badboy ex-boyfriend who turns up in Salem somewhere down the line….when she’s through with Brady and/or after Kristen comes back and kicks her azz for messing with her man. :)

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    harlee490

    When Kristen returns, KDP has arrive as Eve, I surly hope those two have plenty of scenes together to also kick some ass ;) …it would awesome watching for viewers to see those amazing soap divas….catty Neeeeowwffffttzzzz :bigsmile:

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    Yoryla

    Jen Lilley is a good actress, but the character of Theresa is an odd, ill-conceived fail to me. I do not know, understand or care about the motivations behind her actions, if there are any. Furthermore, she isn’t Kim & Shane’s daughter to me, there isn’t an ounce of them in her. And now with Eve, the real deal, coming along, I cannot even imagine why Theresa would be needed? What is she going to do there?

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    Coffee_Junkie

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]@Harlee — Loved the first clip! FINALLY someone knowing who the REAL JILL is! Have loved this scene forevah! Thanks for posting :beer:[/quote]

    That clip was from nearly 30 years ago. People change in 30 years. I don’t want to see 60-something Jill Abbott behaving like a campy, disgusting whore. But that’s just me.

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    harlee490

    [quote=Coffee_Junkie][quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]@Harlee — Loved the first clip! FINALLY someone knowing who the REAL JILL is! Have loved this scene forevah! Thanks for posting :beer:[/quote] That clip was from nearly 30 years ago. People change in 30 years. I don’t want to see 60-something Jill Abbott behaving like a campy, disgusting whore. But that’s just me.[/quote]

    coffee_junkie that wasn’t my point I was making and no one said to have Jill as 60 something whore. BD was more campy so was JC at the time. My point was Bill didn’t have Jill dreaming in ‘1940s cheesy black\white and hiding under a desk. His daydreams were Jill/Katherine always thinking of ways to “off” each other.

    Yes, it was 30 yrs. ago but Jill should be sitting at desk at Jabot’s being a smart, intelligent business woman that she is and kicking ass among the titans…Jill Abbott has balls :bigsmile: This version of Jill the last few regimes have wrote her is unrecognizable.

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    Cornfed

    [quote=Coffee_Junkie]That clip was from nearly 30 years ago. People change in 30 years. I don’t want to see 60-something Jill Abbott behaving like a campy, disgusting whore. But that’s just me.[/quote]

    I’m not sure how i would envision Jill today, but vampy/scheming/insecure Jill had some legs left on her, maybe thru the 1990s at minimum. Deep down i’ve always known Jess was a better actress than Brenda, but boring as watching paint dry imo, and NOT JILL. Let’s put it this way, whatever Jack became in his later years, Jill could at the very least be the equivalent…
    And last but not least, i never saw the chemistry betw Jess and Jeanne that was so effortless with Brenda & Jeanne, but that’s just me!

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    Cornfed

    [quote=Yoryla]Jen Lilley is a good actress, but the character of Theresa is an odd, ill-conceived fail to me. I do not know, understand or care about the motivations behind her actions, if there are any. Furthermore, she isn’t Kim & Shane’s daughter to me, there isn’t an ounce of them in her. And now with Eve, the real deal, coming along, I cannot even imagine why Theresa would be needed? What is she going to do there?[/quote]

    Very interesting viewpoint Yoryla, love you sticking to your guns and posting this. I can’t say i disagree. And now we get Eve, who’s grown to 6’2″ in heels, LMAO!

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    SoapArmageddon

    This isn’t the first time I’ve heard the argument about Theresa’s not being anything like how a daughter of Shane and Kimberly should be, and I just don’t buy it.

    In real life, don’t we all know or have at least heard about kids from good families and decent homes who are complete screw-ups? That’s Theresa. Her mom, Kimberly, wasn’t always perfect either.

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    ChrisGa

    [quote=IOWAHAWKEYE]I’m not sure how i would envision Jill today, but vampy/scheming/insecure Jill had some legs left on her, maybe thru the 1990s at minimum. Deep down i’ve always known Jess was a better actress than Brenda, but boring as watching paint dry imo, and NOT JILL. Let’s put it this way, whatever Jack became in his later years, Jill could at the very least be the equivalent…
    And last but not least, i never saw the chemistry betw Jess and Jeanne that was so effortless with Brenda & Jeanne, but that’s just me![/quote]

    The first time I ever watched Y&R Deborah Adair was playing Jill(I believe it was right around the time she was having the affair with Jack). I always thought Adair made a great Jill and when Brenda Dickson returned I found her over-the-top campiness jarring.

    As for Jess, I think she’s one of the strongest actresses to ever work in the medium. But it took me a while to warm up to her as Jill; whereas I always thought Adair and even Dickson had a feminine, almost sex-kittenish demeanor to them, Jess has always come across–at least to me–with a little bit more of an abrasive, hardened edge(I’ve always characterized Sarah Brown this way as well). Adair and Terry Lester had great chemistry together but I could never see Jess’ Jill with Lester’s Jack(not sure if I could even see Jess with Peter Bergman now that I’m thinking about it).

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    stoney07

    The writers need to learn to write Jill as a strong business woman. That’s where Jill shines.

    Katherine is gone, so those great moments are history. Either they need to capitalize on her business ethics, revitalize her feud with Nikki, put her back at Jabot, or at least make her a force in Billy’s life. Maybe she could fall out with Victoria, and team up with the devil (Victor) to end Billy and Victoria. (and in the process revisit that Jill/Victor romance that I blinked and missed the first time)

    IDK what they need to do, except end this music box stuff. If she’s going to stay with Colin, then have her work at Jabot…or have the two of them team up to get Chancellor away from Newman. SOMETHING!!!!

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    Coffee_Junkie

    [quote=stoney07]The writers need to learn to write Jill as a strong business woman. That’s where Jill shines. Katherine is gone, so those great moments are history. Either they need to capitalize on her business ethics, revitalize her feud with Nikki, put her back at Jabot, or at least make her a force in Billy’s life. Maybe she could fall out with Victoria, and team up with the devil (Victor) to end Billy and Victoria. (and in the process revisit that Jill/Victor romance that I blinked and missed the first time)
    IDK what they need to do, except end this music box stuff. If she’s going to stay with Colin, then have her work at Jabot…or have the two of them team up to get Chancellor away from Newman. SOMETHING!!!![/quote]

    I think it’s coming to that. Soap viewers have become so damned impatient when it comes to the storytelling. They want what they want, NOW! Bill Bell used to take months and MONTHS to tell a good story. Tristan Rogers has been back on the show for about 6 weeks and Colin and Jill haven’t even SLEPT together! There was a time when Y&R was helmed by writers who gave viewers the immediate gratification they craved. But now, it seems they are back to telling stories at a snail’s pace.

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    @ChrisGa — Great post. LOVED Deborah Adair as Jill #2, we can agree on that point!

    Yeah, Jess and Terry wouldn’t have worked — or at least i don’t recall their scenes together if they had any — Jess imo is/was a bit less feminine/seductive/alluring than i think the character demanded, just a personal preference….But for sheer entertainment value it was Dickson all the way for me, her first run being less campy than her second run. (If you didn’t enjoy campy i guess you never enjoyed Joan Collins’ Alexis? :)) I also saw tons of chemistry between Lester and Dickson, esp during the blackmail story, *I* for one could see Dickson’s sheer delight working with Lester, as she has stated in interviews. She loved the man, probably for various reasons ;)

    Sarah Brown ROCKED as Carly, bringing the vulnerability, scheming, complex angles of Carly. Tamara Braun grew into the role and i enjoyed her tremendously, albeit it wasn’t as complex on paper with Guza’s writing. And Wright’s Carly is about as one-dimensional as you can get, at least for this viewer. My least favorite of the 3, not including the temporary Bransford of course.

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    The problem with comparing actors who have played long-term characters is that some viewers remember the original incarnation and can recognize faster when that history is forgotten. If you saw Brenda Dickson’s original 7-year stint as Jill, you’d know that Jill was the girl who was good at heart, but wanted more for herself. She didn’t conniving my seduce Phillip Chancellor–they fell in love and Jill felt BAD about hurting Kay with his divorce and their plans to get married. When Kay killed Phillip in the car accident and went to court to have Jill and PC’s marriage invalidated and to disprove PCIII’s paternity (and disinherit him), THAT is when Jill began to get bitter. She eventually fell in love with Derek Thurston and Mrs. C horned in on that, too. Jill eventually decided she wanted and needed money and that’s what led her to steal Stuart Brooks away from her mother, Liz, and marry him herself! BD left the show a year or so later and Deborah Adair came in as a sweeter Jill once again. DA’s Jill could get her hackles up about things (she was grumpy about Dina Abbott’s return to town!), but it wasn’t the same as how well BD played the role. When BD returned in 1983, she was definitely more aggressive at first, but she returned to a role in which the character finally had money (what she and her poor family always lacked) and status. There were some delicious moments between BD and JC that first year or two with the blackmail puzzle story. I think that when John divorced Jill and she demanded a position at Jabot was about the time that BD got really campy and affected. Some could claim that it was an acting choice where BD felt that Jill would certainly put on airs once she had money, power and status. They still had rehearsal time then–why didn’t any director, producer or even Bill Bell himself tell her to stop playing it that way?! Even Jess’ first couple of years (no matter what she may have said dismissively about BD’s performance in the soap press at the time) were very campy. Her Jill was just as over the top. I think it was the early ’90s when Jess began to relax enough in the role to let that stuff go and play her as a powerful woman with a sharp edge. That is what she should be doing today–instead of being shrewish with the dastardly Colin. Jill needs to be at Jabot, mixing things up with her son’s life, tangling with Hillary (echoing the Jill/Kay relationship), and doing something interesting. I don’t need it all in one week, but they could certainly out her back on that track. The music box seemed likely how Jill was going to somehow receive her “inheritance” from Kay, but it really has dragged on for too long. If it is partly due to Jess being on recurring, they should have sped it up even more.

    I appreciate Jess Walton’s immense talent and I’ve accepted that she will be in the role of Jill for the rest if the show’s life, however, I still think Brenda Dickson gave the most nuanced and developed performance over the 10 years she played the role. BD wasn’t campy the entire time–that’s just all that is available to see on YouTube.

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    [quote=DanMan869]Jill needs to be at Jabot, mixing things up with her son’s life, tangling with Hillary (echoing the Jill/Kay relationship), and doing something interesting. I don’t need it all in one week, but they could certainly out her back on that track.[/quote]
    I would PAY to see this. I don’t care about Jill/Colin. With DT back as Billy I don’t know why they haven’t capitalized on this, and put both Jill and Billy back at Jabot, and have them interacting with each other.

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