GH’s Ron Carlivati Fires Back at Sean Kanan’s “No Class” Comments!





Don't expect General Hospital head writer Ron Carlivati to shed a tear once Sean Kanan leaves. The scribe responded to Kanan's remarks to TV Guide Magazine's Michael Logan on Twitter, saying:




Does this mean Kanan won't get a complimentary jar of Pickle-Lila at the goodbye party?

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  1. Profile photo of CarsonGH111
    CarsonGH111

    This guy honestly disgusts me. He’s the one that has no class and complains like a child every time a fan or actor shares a comment or opinion about his stories, that doesn’t sing his praises. He’s obsessed with writing for Ava Jerome, Silas Clay, Nathan West, and the imaginary Nina (that no one cares about) and doesn’t bother writing for any of the fan-favorites that we do care about. This is not General Hospital anymore. They should just rename it “Ava,” and be done with it.

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    Secrets and Lies

    Oh boy here we go!

    While SK clearly took a little swipe at Ron’s writing in his comment, I think that is the actor’s prerogative esp. when he was repeatedly called “fat” and insulted in the scripts.

    Ron as the HW on the other hand needs to be above responding like this – he is ruining the decorum of his position. An executive should be able to take criticism from the “rank and file” with a stiff upper lip – and hopefully get something constructive out of it (although that’s clearly asking too much of Ron).

    Personally, I like Ron’s writing but he needs to grow up and get past his petty Twitter wars. He gets paid the big bucks to be able to withstand this type of criticism – grow up, Ron.

    As for SK, no matter whether he liked the material or not he managed to display fantastic acting chops during this stint on GH so kudos to him.

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    dewlove

    Hi All…I love Carlivati but this will make his haters really come out of the woodwork. I think I’ll just avoid the comments on this one because frankly he’ll need to defend himself on this one….

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    thecourt99

    That was some asshole skullduggery right there.

    RC wanted SK to just say “thank you for the opportunity” and then leave. SK wanted to let the fans know why he was leaving and not give the standard spin.

    RC has had scripts that refer to AJ as fat (is there a tie in to history that I am not aware of and has any character called another one fat when it wasn’t a part of the story)? The relish story was a network call, I get it, but, RC responded in a child like manner.

    There are no words for that.

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    LauraWrightCrazy

    I’ll miss the possibility of a Carly/AJ pairing.. & I’ll miss missed opportunities between Michael & AJ.. but I was a little shocked SK took jabs at his “former” employers so publicly. While he has every right, though, Ron and Frank have the same right…

    Class or no class.. either way, I’m happy to have him back on B&B and quite FRANKly, I’m still LOVING GH so it’s win win for me ;) CHEERS!

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    Yoryla

    I’ve commented on RC’s Twitter behaviour before, but this tweet is just something that leaves a person utterly speechless.

    The lack of class is totally on your end, Mr. Carlivati. Totally on your end.

    And yes, I pressed the “Unfollow” button today.

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    FrankiePitt

    It’s hilarious that SK publicly attacks RC’s work yet when he’s called out on his tacky behavior, fans go after RC for lacking class. SK could have departed gracefully and nothing more would have been said. Instead, he acted like an ape and was responded to accordingly. Good for RC, calling it like it is!

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    Cornfed

    @LauraWrightCrazy – you may not find yourself so giddy with excitement if Laura didn’t ship Howarth and then found herself suddenly out of a job…one does wonder…

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    Cornfed

    I’m more surprised Ron C. didn’t do his Logan interview AFTER this news hit, rather than [a week] before. He may need to hit the interview circuit again fairly soon to undo some damage. I welcome all the CarToony cheerleaders to come forward!

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    LauraWrightCrazy

    Lol. I’m sure Laura Wright rolls her eyes at many storylines she’s been thru, but I’ve never read her tweet or speak any nastiness about the people who write for her or what they write for her. I know in soaps anyone is game, though, and she too could go.. Because that’s the way it goes. Storylines change and the FANS will accept that.

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    bobbyew

    RC just mad cause SK told the truth. I thought she was going to be good. Donna Mills and her dumb ass son is a waste of money even with those abs.Today was stupid as Ethan and his mother rehashed shit we already know. Shit she should know. SK handled the situation with class. Like him or not AJ is a Q who should be a staple on this show.

    RC will use you up then throw you away like trash. He is a racist white Homosexual. Look at what he is doing to a fan favorite Carly and her best friend Felix. Felix should have long had a love interest before Brad. TPTB at ABC won’t allow a black male to have a hot male to make love too. Carly is only being seen once a week when her character has three kids who are integral to the show. She is going the way of her mother now. For who, Silas and his mother in law. Now this is what you call stunt casting.

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    stoney07

    lol. I love it. Personally, I don’t care for the man’s writing, but I sure enough do follow him. As far as the show goes, and AJ…the part could be recast if they wanted to go that route.

    But back to Ron Carlivati…Sean Kanan threw “subliminal shade”, trying to keep it cute, and Ron Carlivati just decided to take the sugar out of his response and say it how he wanted to say it. In the end though, only RC looked classless, while SK appears unbothered. LOL.

    I DO watch GH, though I barely comment on it because I’m not invested and I find it mostly ridiculous. HOWEVER, oddly enough, on another subject, if Brad Bell were ever to retire or decide to move on from his B&B…Ron Carlivati would probably thrive there. Camp, humor, over the top drama…

    oh well…why does it always seem that my posts are never on topic…guess I’ll just shut up.

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    Daniel St. John

    RC seems like a very thin-skinned See You Next Tuesday with the way he went into attack mode over SK’s interview. The relish and panic attacks and even the Connie stuff was all bad. Sometimes you need to own your shit.

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    Alan

    “They should just rename it ‘Ava,’ and be done with it.”

    Good idea — it’s been “CORINTHOS” for over a decade and hasn’t been worth a lick in that entire time.

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    Cornfed

    @stoney07 – u always go off-topic bc YR is really ur main show, not gh LOL but i welcome ur posts to lighten the mood :)

    I think SK’s being very kind, considering AJ’s been thrown under the bus for quite a long time. I now see gh becoming more and more unglued, slowly losing any moral or familial core, which OLTL suprisingly still had. But true to form, Ron has now created the GH equivalent of the “Morasco Fiasco” |(

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    Ryan-Scott

    I don’t do Twitter at all but this is pretty nasty. I agree that Sean Kanan probably did not expect to be pimping relish and panic attacks when he returned.

    Also digs in the scripts about his weight?
    Trashy Ron…just trashy.

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    thecourt99

    [quote=FrankiePitt]It’s hilarious that SK publicly attacks RC’s work yet when he’s called out on his tacky behavior, fans go after RC for lacking class. SK could have departed gracefully and nothing more would have been said. Instead, he acted like an ape and was responded to accordingly. Good for RC, calling it like it is![/quote]

    Fans went after RC for lacking class because he called SK out for lacking class. So if you do something class-less while calling someone else out for the same thing…you become…Nene Leakes. That is why people are after RC.

    SK could have kept his feelings about the writing to himself, and RC could have kept his feelings about the interview to himself. They both chose otherwise. I am happy SK said what he did because he was able to share his feelings and not trash the writing. He just wasn’t happy with his story. It happens. Why should RC take it and make it personal?

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    soapjunkie88

    Carlivati’s comment is tasteless. Where the character of AJ is concerned he failed as a writer. It’s that simple. Fans have been nervous about Sean Kanan’s status with the show for a year now because of the crappy writing.
    You bring that character back from the dead and then you basically do nothing with him. That was a wasted opportunity to restore the Quartermaine family.

    And I get Kanan’s frustration. He has the right to feel that way. The storylines were full of bullsh*t. A not developed relationship with Elizabeth that other than AJ screwing Carly mostly happened off-screen or while the Pickle-Lila story happened. After that you have Connie’s death, AJ in prison and on trial, have him as a drunk again who in the end once again seems like a loser and someone Sonny can walk over.

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    judestrios

    Hmmm it is clear to me now that Ron resurrects characters from the past only as a thinly veiled stunt to mask the fact that he truly has no overarching plan for GH.
    Consider the appalling lack of depth and follow through on all his stories. The stories have no long term implications: Carly is kidnapped for weeks and now she’s fine; no ramifications at all. Eventually Ben will be reunited with Lulu and then what? Franco was at death’s door and now he is in the same twilight zone that AJ was in when he was charged with Connie’s murder only be acquitted three days later for insufficient evidence only to be shot in relation to the same murder.
    All the storylines seem to be an answer some kid comes up with when the teacher calls on him and he doesn’t know the answer. Why is Luke acting all different? because Ron has no idea what to do with him
    Compare this to Days where each character is acting from years of story and moving ahead with more story. Even Lucas Horton has a point where few if any on GH have a point. The storylines are too predictable and there are too many characters doing nothing to move the story ahead to meaningful ends.
    Ron you need to get it together. These half ass, start and drop stories are downright insulting to the viewers.

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    angrierblackerman

    Hilarious! On the podcast they were just saying how they would like the creative teams for once to come back with some shade!

    Well, with a bunch of queens at the helm of a show…you most certainly will get it! Mariah scale shade!

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    maven

    The man writes for a living and the best comeback he could come up with is an old insult he ripped off of Fat Albert? I see why SK wants off this show!

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    really

    [quote=FrankiePitt]It’s hilarious that SK publicly attacks RC’s work yet when he’s called out on his tacky behavior, fans go after RC for lacking class. SK could have departed gracefully and nothing more would have been said. Instead, he acted like an ape and was responded to accordingly. Good for RC, calling it like it is![/quote]

    OMG RC behaves as if he is an animal, and that is insulting animals. SK didn’t bash RC’s writing he just said that wasn’t the story he was approached with, and he was disappointed.

    Also RC on his best day hasn’t had an ounce of class. He is a jerk, he mocks fans that don’t’ like his writing with being gay (as if that is bad or something), he threatens high school kids for saying on the GH timeline not to him that they don’t like how he writes.

    Oh and based on my twitter feed, ABC got several complaints about RC’s behavior today. Which good for fans.

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    CinLee

    As I posted on the Soap Opera Digest FB page, if Carlivati would bother reading almost any of the GH message boards, he would know most of the fans are in SK’s corner because almost none of us have liked what has been done to AJ. No, AJ wasn’t perfect but he could have been redeemed via building his relationship with Michael and a good romance. But instead, we have him shoved back in the bottle and turned into an abuser of women.

    I saw nothing wrong with what SK said in his tweet, it was an understated explanation of his departure. Who knows what promises they gave him about story that never materialized? We all do remember Jack Wagner already did this about what was done to Frisco, albeit a bit more messily.

    I hate to say this, but GH has been getting to be more of a naptime for me with every passing day and with AJ going…so might I. I said this about if Spinelli ever left, but they brought back AJ and I was content until it obvious they weren’t going to write story for him.

    And I agree, Felix should definitely have had a romance before Brad. So should Liz.

    The only thing positive I can say about today was it being amusing about having unhappy Patrick on St. Patrick’s day. Thought that was a little ironic.

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    cmalt

    I do remember one thing that was disgusting on RC’s part. A while back someone tweeted him asking why AJ had to go back to drinking.RC’s answer was “because he’s an alcoholic and that’s what they do.” Not only is that extremely disrespectful to all the people out there battling alcohol addiction and fighting to stay sober and succeeding, it was a CLASSLESS and insensitive remark directed at Sean Kanan who has battled alcoholism in the past.

    Carlivati acts like a child. He whined and ranted when he didn’t win an award a few weeks back and took a cheap shot at the writer. Now he goes after Sean Kanan for speaking the truth and I guess hitting a nerve.

    Let’s get rid of all the legacy characters and fine actors like Sean Kanan on GH so we can get more scenes of Robocop in a towel and RC can tweet along like a teenager drooling. That was certainly classy.

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    maven

    The man writes for a living and the best comeback he could come up with is an old insult ripped from Fat Albert? No wonder SK wants off this show so badly!

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    angrierblackerman

    We always expect the creators of content to be neutral, but in the age in information, where we have more and more access to these producers, anything is fair game.

    In Sean Kanan’s defense, Ron really didn’t write well for this actor/character. AJ is not some dayplayer, or some new character, this is a legacy character who should have been treated a little better. I guess he can find more story with his own characters/creations than with already established ones. In all fairness, we will never get another ‘Tracy’ or ‘Monica’ or ‘Mac’ if shows don’t introduce new characters onto the canvas every few years…so I get it.

    Fans wanted to see AJ get some happiness for once, and they botched it. He an Elizabeth could have at least had some good times, even if it was short lived. But maybe Elizabeth isn’t the best example, because Ron and Frank hate that character too, lol!

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    CinLee

    Oh and I forgot to say the fat jokes against SK and the lines attacking Monica’s appearance that was written for Franco were beyond classless. So Carlivati and his staff had already shown just how little class they actually have. There was no reason at all to attack SK’s appearance nor LC’s.

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    ChrisGa

    First off, being a new viewer, AJ departing isn’t particularly upsetting to me. I’ve said on previous occasions that Sean Kanan as an actor has never really done much for me, whether it be here or on the CBS soaps; he’s decent, but I’ve never found his acting particularly impactful.

    That said, I thought what he had to say regarding his departure was pretty above board. And spot on. AJ is currently one of the worst written characters on the show–he’s basically a drunk who also doesn’t seem to be very bright(and it didn’t seem as though he’d be moving away from that particular depiction any time soon).

    As for RC, every time he sets his phasers on stun he comes off as a tired, bitter old queen(apparently it’s a requirement for all to worship at the altar of RC’s writing). Seriously, SK could’ve went full throttle and completely threw his writing under the bus. Instead, he stated his opinion about it succinctly and left it at that(at least from what I’ve read). I think a more mature response from RC should’ve been something like “Sorry to hear that SK felt the writing wasn’t up to snuff for the character of AJ. Nevertheless, I wish him all the best with future endeavors.” Someone really needs to intro RC to a concept that’s apparently foreign to him. It’s called The High Road.

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=CinLee]Oh and I forgot to say the fat jokes against SK and the lines attacking Monica’s appearance that was written for Franco were beyond classless. So Carlivati and his staff had already shown just how little class they actually have. There was no reason at all to attack SK’s appearance nor LC’s.[/quote]

    Absolutely. That was a very personal attack that wasn’t necessary. If you write jokes to should be about the characters not about the actor’s appearance.
    Carlivati appears as a stubborn child who thinks he doesn’t do anything wrong. The thing is that as head writer he has responsibility for the attacks. It’s just very showing that he now says that Kanan has “no class”.

    Not to mention that Carlivati clearly has his favorites among the cast. And he clearly has some characters that he just doesn’t care about. Look at Elizabeth. Becky Herbst had to wait two years for a story and even with that she isn’t front and center as one of GH’s most-beloved characters.

    Valentini is doing some good work and seems to be respected among the cast. But I think it’s time that he gets his writing team in order. This isn’t the first time an actor expected something else under Carlivati’s writing nor is it his first outburst.
    And currently the writing at GH feels just all over the place tbh. The cast feels bloated and the stories are more of the same and pretty much without any depth.

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    nysam

    Cartoony is a bully and shouldn’t be on Twitter if he can’t behave like an adult in an executive role.

    Isn’t it interesting that it is always everyone else’s fault, but never Ron’s? In the past year Carlivati has attacked John Stamos, Jack Wagner and now Sean Kanan when they commented on their characters and the story. I have a feeling if Genie Francis and Tristan Rogers were honest their exits were also tied to disatisfcation with the writing.

    In how many interviews, when “AJ” returned to the show, did Carlivati say he would rebuild the Quatermaines for a new generation? If he stated this to the press I’m guessing that he said the same thing to Kanan to woo him back. Why did Carlivati lie?

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    dkp

    I don’t think anything Sean Kanan said was classless. In my opinion, while you’re employed, yes I agree you should not be going out saying that the writing is awful and should take your complaints up with your superiors instead. But when you are leaving a show like Sean is, if you want to say in your exit interviews that you felt the writing for your character was awful, that’s your prerogative and well with in your right to do so. Sean Kanan is not the first, not the last person on a soap to say upon their exit they thought the writing was bad.

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    lcwebmedia

    Oh Please. What SK did is exactly what Jack Wagner did. Got a job. Got paid and then complained about it to the media. Where is Jack Wagner now? Not back on B&B for sure.

    The relish thing served a purpose (it had to do with Tracy and her recently deceased father). It brought Tracy and Monica back to the front of the line for a few weeks and that was great. AJ’s claims to be a new man and etc… were getting pretty tiresome and had to chemistry with Elizabeth at all. I think IMO SK shoudl of been brought back for the anniversary and then sent back packing!

    I much preferred Billy Warlock’s version of AJ anyway.

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    nysam

    Jack Wagner is also starring on a new show on Investigation Discovery called HEART BREAKERS.

    Not sure where Jack Wagner is today has anything to do with Cartoony being a bully, but Jack with these two TV gigs and constantly touring with his music works a lot.

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    Nat Guy

    Sean Kanan gave his honest, yet respectful, opinion about his time on the show. He wasn’t “over the moon” about it. That’s all. He could of said worse things about Ron and his writing, but he didn’t. So for Ron to come back at him in this way is ridiculous. What kind of professional adult man says something like that?

    I’m disappointed that AJ is leaving. I was patiently waiting for him to get some kind of storyline. Instead I get AJ falls off the wagon again, AJ chokes women randomly, and AJ is Sonny’s eternal punching bag. That’s all Ron could think of or really cared to write for the character. And I’m so glad others on here have pointed out those stupid fat jokes from last year.

    I’m going to miss the AJ & Michael moments. SK and CD had great father/son chemistry. Such a wasted opportunity.

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    really

    [quote=lcwebmedia]Oh Please. What SK did is exactly what Jack Wagner did. Got a job. Got paid and then complained about it to the media. Where is Jack Wagner now? Not back on B&B for sure.

    The relish thing served a purpose (it had to do with Tracy and her recently deceased father). It brought Tracy and Monica back to the front of the line for a few weeks and that was great. AJ’s claims to be a new man and etc… were getting pretty tiresome and had to chemistry with Elizabeth at all. I think IMO SK shoudl of been brought back for the anniversary and then sent back packing!

    I much preferred Billy Warlock’s version of AJ anyway.[/quote]

    Nope Jack Wagner is on primetime- and really how many people have to say it until you admit its true. Since RC/FV took over- BB, BA, JMB, SB, SK all quit. SR, KSu were fired. All have had negative things to say. Problem isn’t with all the actors it is with the TPTB

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    logan_echolls

    [quote=LauraWrightCrazy]Lol. I’m sure Laura Wright rolls her eyes at many storylines she’s been thru, but I’ve never read her tweet or speak any nastiness about the people who write for her or what they write for her. I know in soaps anyone is game, though, and she too could go.. Because that’s the way it goes. Storylines change and the FANS will accept that.[/quote]
    _____________

    Laura Wright is the one who lobbied for Carly and Franco to be together so she can’t tweet nothing since she got what she wanted. she was all over twitter talking about her and Roger and wanting to be paired with him. So if she has a bummy storyline (which she does) she can’t say jack because that’s what she wanted.

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    hotwagw

    i’m sorry, but i have to co-sign with carlivati on this one.

    soap amnesia must exist in real life and be extremely contagious with viewers. do we not remember sk being woefully underused on y&r? only to be imprisoned for “murdering” diane (maura west eventually had her revenge – just on a different show and network). then he was released to be a prop on b&b by dollar bill to prevent hope and liam from getting married. then sk received brad bell’s “blessing” to go to gh. in other words, girl, bye, you’re not getting a contract here.

    it took a big leap of faith on gh’s part to have him back. sk didn’t just burn his bridges, he urinated on them. not to put out the fire, but to make a bad situation smell worse. during his first few weeks back in port charles, he was on fire. but since then, in my opinion, he became complacent. i was unaware that sk was hired to be a writer or pitch storylines, i thought he was there to act. actors are there to make the best out of what they have. i’ll admit that it wasn’t all spectacular material, but the performance could have been better.

    and how dare ron not dig into aj’s history as a romantic hero. i mean his greatest love story was with jason and drunkenly crashing them into a tree. aj has always been a drunken, scheming screw-up. at least he can go back and showcase his dynamic acting range as deacon sharpe trying to redeem his bad-boy past for the benefit of his child. oh wait, didn’t he just do that this year as aj? and sk was chem-tested with lw and bh. it takes two for chemistry and i think both ladies were doing the heavy lifting.

    and to make a bad transition worse, i watch daily and i also missed the fat jokes. not that i condone people attacking physical attributes. sk falls on the real/normal side of things as opposed to the tanorexic example we’re used to seeing on daytime.

    i wish sk the best. he’s a good, handsome actor – capable of being great. i hope he gets the airtime he deserves and he’s happy doing it. i just think he could have been a little more grateful. i’d wager he had more airtime on gh in this last year than in his most recent stints on y&r and b&b combined. he definitely could have been graceful in his exit.

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    Daniel St. John

    [quote=lcwebmedia]Oh Please. What SK did is exactly what Jack Wagner did. Got a job. Got paid and then complained about it to the media. Where is Jack Wagner now? Not back on B&B for sure.
    The relish thing served a purpose (it had to do with Tracy and her recently deceased father). It brought Tracy and Monica back to the front of the line for a few weeks and that was great. AJ’s claims to be a new man and etc… were getting pretty tiresome and had to chemistry with Elizabeth at all. I think IMO SK shoudl of been brought back for the anniversary and then sent back packing!
    I much preferred Billy Warlock’s version of AJ anyway.[/quote]
    That relish story’s only purpose was to serve as a vehicle for reintroducing RH and KA as new characters and bring Ava to the show. It did nothing longterm storywise for any of the Qs and Monica was barely involved in it at all. It was just bad writing from start to finish.

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    appleridge

    Ron has no class & no clue

    Ron Carlivati ‏@carlivatiron 10h
    @FeliciaR12 I’m disappointed Sean wouldn’t simply say thank you for the opportunity and leave it at that.

    Well now Thorsten Kaye can introduce Sean Kanan to his wife, Susan Haskell and they can share how Carlivati screwed them over.

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=appleridge]Ron Carlivati ‏@carlivatiron 10h
    @FeliciaR12 I’m disappointed Sean wouldn’t simply say thank you for the opportunity and leave it at that.[/quote]

    Yeah that would work for Ron. That way he can go on and raise eyebrows when fans suggesting that the actors must be unhappy with their storylines.

    And a thank you for what exactly? Kanan came on and Carlivati gave interviews that he wants to bring the Quartermaines back. He wants to create a new generation. In the end, there was that stupid relish story that turned out to be an introduction for Howarth’s Franco, Alderson’s Kiki and West’s Ava.
    Nothing more came of it. That didn’t scream Quartermaine storyline and I’m sure wasn’t what Kanan had in mind.

    Being a head writer of a soap opera is a hard job. No doubt! But so is being an actor in that genre where you have to deliver dozens of pages a day. Carlivati wants respect for his work but it should work both ways. And the way how AJ was written and Kanan insulted along the way, wasn’t respectful at all. It once again proves that Carlivati is the child here that acts out and isn’t having any other opinion but his own.

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    Llanview76

    This is what I remember about Ron’s writing…from watching “ONE LIFE TO LIVE”…he had the best intentions in his writing, in honoring the show’s history…but several stories dipping into Llanview’s past took liberties to rewrite their rich origins. There were some characters who returned from the past: a few obscure ones that were memorable if you watched during the hey day of the 1980’s; and some of the more contemporary favorites. No matter who or what link they shared to the past, the pay off of working these people into the story was never as satisfying as it could have been…(or would have been if it was being written under any regime from the first 20 years of the show). I noticed a revolving door of plot devices; their were multiple pregnancies, miscarriages…personality disorders…returns from the dead, baby switches. I did like that Ron wrote the cast of characters into a more diverse group; I liked that he did write in contemporary themes (though I felt aside from the homosexual storyline, all the other social issues were merely touched upon; and I did like how he used humor.

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    tealita

    RC should have sat this one out if for no other reason than he, himself, was not mentioned in the article per se. Sean Kanan stated that he went to Valentini but that they weren’t able to reach an agreement. In my opinion, once you know that someone senior to you has done the talking or handled something, you keep your mouth shut.

    In the past, I’ve defended Carlivati when he responded to fans who deliberately provoked him. After all, he is the first HW in daytime to use social media to reach fans in such a personal way. He’s accessible. That said, if I were an network executive I would be horrified because I think his behavior on the whole is completely unbecoming of anyone who represents ABC, let alone a head writer. In addition to making extremely cutting remarks to fans who respond to his tweets (which he could just as well mute or ignore) he really does troll the #GH hashtag looking for an opportunity to embarrass someone–or anyone–who dares say something negative. It’s gotten to be so bad that I won’t even tag him with something complementary anymore because I don’t want to be on his radar at all.

    RC has a great sense of humor and his tweets are very witty; but as other people have pointed out, he is thin-skinned and doesn’t seem to be able rise above problem tweeters. Either he needs to step back and check himself or someone should do it for him.

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    radrobd

    [quote=missmuffett41]I’m lost, but did RC call SK “fat” onscreen. I don’t remember the episode.[/quote]

    MissMuffett41, it wasn’t just one episode. It was a series of episodes where Tracy was demeaning and insulting to A.J., calling him a drunk, loser, etc. and throwing in fat for good measure. Tracy told A.J. on numerous occasions that he could stand to lose some weight.

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    CinLee

    It seems like there was another character who made a comment about him needing to visit the gym too. But yes, it was mostly Tracy at her absolute worst. The family had always been insulting to him, especially when Ned would sneer Junior at him, which always made me root for AJ, at least when SK was playing him. I never cared for Billy Warlock in the role and they really took the character down the rabbit hole which is another reason I really wanted AJ to rebound this time and show people what he was really made of.

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    missmuffett41

    [quote=radrobd][quote=missmuffett41]I’m lost, but did RC call SK “fat” onscreen. I don’t remember the episode.[/quote]

    MissMuffett41, it wasn’t just one episode. It was a series of episodes where Tracy was demeaning and insulting to A.J., calling him a drunk, loser, etc. and throwing in fat for good measure. Tracy told A.J. on numerous occasions that he could stand to lose some weight.[/quote]

    I don’t recall those episodes. What are the air dates for those epi’s?

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    PKW

    Perhaps a possible fix to this mess.. AJ Has the operation… he goes into a coma– he gets sent away to Savannah with Phyllis ( or perhaps the facility-that-holds-everyone where Robin has gone to unfreeze people) — and when he wakes up– He’s Michael Muhney ! :)

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    Cyberologist

    The man writes for a living and the best comeback he could come up with is an old insult ripped from Fat Albert? No wonder SK wants off this show so badly!

    DaYum…ROTFLMAO!

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    rlshel1015

    what the hell is happening? how is it that SK throws shade at RC and he is just speaking his mind but when RC responds he is being a bitter bitch? someone said in the comments that Bill Bell and Agnes Nixon would never have said this back in the day but there was also a time when actors would have taken the high road and not have bashed the writers. to me SK is just as guilty and lacked class. have fun at B&B, SK, because the way that Bill Bell writes he will tire of you soon enough and you’ll be out of a job because you burned your bridges. good riddance – GH is better off without you.

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    BrookeKKL

    Sean Kanan was not classless at all. Every word he said was not insulting or disrespectful but all so very true. RC was the one doing the insulting. He really behaved like a child with temper tantrum who was trying to hurt the other cause he does not like what he said. As a professional and a head writer the right thing to do was to not say anything or just give it a day or two and then say what you have to say but with respect and class.

    Welcome home Sean. I can`t wait to see Deacon and Quinn = Duinn to share scenes.

    The only looser here is RC – AJ had so much potential but he through him under the bus so Sonny can be on top. I am tired of Ava hiding – just reveal for god`s sake that she killed Connie, shot Olivia and is framing Silas and move on to other stories.

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=rlshel1015]what the hell is happening? how is it that SK throws shade at RC and he is just speaking his mind but when RC responds he is being a bitter bitch? someone said in the comments that Bill Bell and Agnes Nixon would never have said this back in the day but there was also a time when actors would have taken the high road and not have bashed the writers. to me SK is just as guilty and lacked class.[/quote]

    How is saying that he wasn’t over the moon about the writing throwing shade at Ron Carlivati? If Kanan wanted to throw shade at the writers he could have brought up the fact that he was personally insulted through the scripts when other characters referenced to AJ as fat.
    The writing wasn’t what Kanan hoped for so he left. Carlivati could have acted as a grown up here and say that he feels sorry that Kanan thinks that way. Instead he returned on a very personal level and implied that Kanan had “no class”.

    Not to mention that Carlivati had promised something different to the viewers and it seems like he promised Kanan something different too. When AJ returned it was all about restoring the Quartermaine family. That basically never happened.
    AJ is a legacy character that has been part of GH’s history for over thirty years. The character isn’t just some new creation that has been there for a hot second. His return was handled poorly and Kanan didn’t even say that much.

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    jujube1013

    The weight mentions were numerous, but one that sticks out is during the Niz pants scene, tracy comes in and says that aj is at kelly’s siddled up to the bar probably starting from the top of the menu, not those exact words but that is pretty close, and that was an allusion to his weight.

    and rishel, SK was answering questions from an interviewer, he answered them truthfully, he did say anything hateful against rc, he said he was not happy with his character’s writing and it wasn’t what he signed on for, and i can see that, but there was no comment made directly towards rc as a person.

    rc however came back saying that SK had no class, a personal attack and untrue, i’m sure SK had a lot more to say. obv. rc realized he was in the wrong since he deleted the tweet, too little too late, or one of his bosses said something to him.

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    ANGELWENDY15

    Any viewer of GH had to see how badly AJ was being written the past few months. When he first returned the character was going strong. Loved the Tracy/AJ scenes, we were getting more Q stories and I thought he and Carly sizzled with sexuality in their scenes. There was so much possibility to the character and suddenly Ron rewrites him back as the old drunk AJ and he didn’t have much of a story the last few months. The writing was on the wall that he ‘d be leaving the show. That is what is wrong with GH. Sometimes the writing can be great and other times it becomes cartoonish and over-the-top. They could have done a lot better with AJ, more real-life family drama with Monica, but instead they reverted him back to the poor pathetic drunk. I don’t blame SK for voicing his opinion because it’s true. Ron should stop with his bitchy remarks, he’s acting like a spoiled little girl???!!

    Sean K is better off on B &B. He’ll get more and better scenes. That show has improved so much since Thorsten Kaye and Rena S came on. As much as I love GH I am getting worried that the show is starting to slip. When Cartini first took over it was great but the last few months the stories have been questionable and there are too many new characters. I am finding myself bored at times and the show, a year ago, held my interest thru the entire hour.

    If they are going to bring all these new characters at least have a good story. i like Donna Mills but she definetly had plastic surgery done, esp. around her mouth, it is so stiff looking. TJ’s Mom is beautiful and her acting is good.

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    ROFO

    Let me start by saying that I like Sean Kanan’s work as an actor & am sorry that he is leaving GH but considering the fact that he was let go after his original run on the show after much negative publicity, I found it in poor taste & very unprofessional that he would slam an employer who gave him the opportunity to come back after a less than stellar departure. It’s unfortunate that he wasn’t happy with his story, but as far as I’m concerned, he did a good job with the material & he was paid well for his services. A real pro would have left with a little more dignity and appreciation for the show bringing him back in the first place. Let’s hope that he’s happy at B&B
    or I guess Brad Bell might be the next to get slammed. I think that NO CLASS sums it up well.

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    Cornfed

    [quote=judestrios]Hmmm it is clear to me now that Ron resurrects characters from the past only as a thinly veiled stunt to mask the fact that he truly has no overarching plan for GH.Consider the appalling lack of depth and follow through on all his stories. The stories have no long term implications: Carly is kidnapped for weeks and now she’s fine; no ramifications at all. Eventually Ben will be reunited with Lulu and then what? Franco was at death’s door and now he is in the same twilight zone that AJ was in when he was charged with Connie’s murder only be acquitted three days later for insufficient evidence only to be shot in relation to the same murder. All the storylines seem to be an answer some kid comes up with when the teacher calls on him and he doesn’t know the answer. Why is Luke acting all different? because Ron has no idea what to do with him [/quote]

    Genuis post!! but where were u all these months when all the CarToony cheerleaders were calling us haters? :~

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    soapjunkie88

    Don’t get why people are acting that what Sean Kanan did is a big deal. The actors do it all the time. You have stories you like, you have some you don’t like. Kanan said he wasn’t over the moon with the writing. That’s his right of an opinion. It doesn’t mean that he has no class.
    Actors like Tristan Rogers, Jack Wagner, Jane Elliot, Ingo Rademacher and many others have made comments about not liking a story under the current regime. Some do it with more aggressive comments than others. Kanan was still being very nice here.

    Not to mention that all these defenders of Carlivati’s actions on Twitter have not mentioned with one word how much class it has to attack an actor’s physical appearance through a script. They don’t address that Carlivati promised the viewers something different – restoring the Quartermaines (and most likely made the same promise to Kanan).
    And then people bring up the fact that Sean Kanan should be happy that he was brought back. I haven’t heard Kanan saying one bad word against Frank Valentini. Quite the opposite. He didn’t even attack Carlivati. It was Carlivati who made it personal – in the script AND yesterday on Twitter.

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    rjm118

    Ron needs to grow a thicker skin, his writing is far from always perfect. Dont get me wrong, he has done wonders with some storylines but cmon, noones perfect and Kanan has every right to be disapointed. He was brought back as AJ with much fanfare and then given crap to work with. Im glad hes going back to Deacon, a better character but I hope his expectations arent too high. There isnt much room on B&B.

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    judestrios

    Thank you! Well, I think at first, we were all thrilled to see some reference paid to past characters. the Nurses’ Ball came back; even Audrey had a day of wandering around the hospital. But then it all went to hell when the stunt guest stints became insulting because he tried to build stories around them. Cartoony believed that just trotting old characters out was all they needed to do to score points.
    What they didn’t get that the legacy characters mattered because when they were on they were involved in long, intricately told, well paced stories that set up tons of history.
    Cartoony have no sense of building the “continuing story”. There is far better serialisation going on in series that don’t claim the soap label. Failure to follow any kind of order is what’s jacking it up.
    And let’s not confuse great acting with great writing. West, Carnes, Eliot, etc. are more doing their best with they’re given. There is no doubt that GH has the greatest roster going. But there is nothing worse than a talented team sunk by confused coaching.
    I don’t really don’t know why Howarth would stay; he has a cement block of a dumb ass story chained to him. Why RC would waste so much time trying to rehabilitate THAT character is beyond. He made him crazy Heather’s son with a mood altering tumor who turns hero just to make you like him. Howarth as Dr. Tom Hardy wouldn’t have needed all that. Making these actors carry the burden of bad writing can only go so far.

    Well, it’s my hope that RC’s mistakes are coming home to roost.
    In short order he needs to

    -sit down and figure who he wants to write for in a consistent manner. I hated and never got over when GL dropped the Bauers and created the Reva show but at least they told a real (and at first) consistent story. All this Starting and stopping is fucked up no matter who is the focus.

    -Stop trying to be too cute by half. Delia Ryan being Ava Jerome’s mother makes absolutely no sense. It makes no sense in the context that anyone who watched even a few episodes of Ryan’s Hope would appreciate. In all those years, there never was a hint that Delia had some daughter by a crime lord. It would be the same as making Erica Kane Felix’s mother.

    -RC you’re writing one show not six. So it’s going to be off putting to have characters dominate the scene for weeks at a time and then just disappear or recede into some background where all the issues that drove their story suddenly disappear. Stop that.

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    brettyboy

    I met Sean Kanan a long time ago and he seemed a nice enough guy, though a little arrogant. I think Sean needs to tread carefully; his bad behavior alienated him from GH a long time ago, Frank and Ron took him back and probably regret that now. Brad Bell has shown how little he cares about the character of Deacon and knowing B&B he’ll be gone again in a matter of months. If I were Sean, I wouldn’t burn my bridges at ABC again.

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    nyguy

    Definitely TEAM Carlivati/Valentiti. These guys are talented, if OLTL gets revived I hope they are lucky enough to get them back. GH fans don’t appreciate them nearly enough. For me anyway, Billy Warlock was a far more interesting AJ than Kanan. This guy always acts with a chip on his shoulder, not interesting for me anyway. Now if they (and their predecessors) could only figure out how to write for the treasure that is Becky Herbst.

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    appleridge

    Sean didnt burn anything. He said what GH gave him wasnt what he thought it was gonna be and wanted a romance for AJ since that is the cornerstone of soaps.
    He was civil. RC acted like a 2 year old having a tantrum

    Why cant people criticize GH and its runners. They arent gods. They both have many faults

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    stoney07

    I don’t get how Brad Bell has shown how little he cares about Deacon.

    The guy had a big frontburner story for just about every year he was on the show. He was on just as much as Ridge/brooke/Stephanie/Taylor….if not MORE.

    The last time he was brought back, it was intentionally as a Hope-prop. He was brought back for that sole purpose and everyone knew it. He wasn’t told that he was coming back to do something that he didn’t do.

    Now he’s on contract, and I’m pretty sure he’ll be used. Brad bell has messed up A LOT in the past (Sarah J. Brown, Ricky Paul Goldin, A. Martinez, Holden from ATWT *forgot his name*) BUT at the same time, out of those four, only ONE was signed to contract and promised story…and that was Sarah Brown. And as much as I disliked the story, she had one. LOL. ANd she wasn’t insulted in the process. I’m just sayin’…

    I think we will all see RC’s commitment to the AJ character by the way this is handled. If AJ dies, then we know…

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    Patchworks

    Like another poster said above, RC doesn’t have the best edit button on Twitter. He tweeted some jealous shade toward Days when the won a WGA award recently. That’s the type of guy he is.

    I suspect he’s no different than any other soap executive, but he is more visible because he’s on Twitter. I don’t happen to think that’s a good idea for him because it’s turning him into a Bitter Bobby.

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    SoapArmageddon

    I wish some fans wouldn’t tie Carlivati’s bitchiness to his being gay. Yes, he favors the “prettier” male actors. Yes, he’s a diva-worshipper and comes off as a total diva himself. But those are personality flaws and writing imperfections, not a result of his sexuality.

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    SwanQueen59

    @ IOWAHAWKEYE: Despite a few heartfelt and winning scenes in this slower than sludge baby reveal, Dominic Zamprogna’s D has been dumbed down to the point where he and his current screen partner have as much excitement as a couple going out to check prices on a mini-van…. ;)

    stoney07: That was Jon Hensley from ATWT and B&B. And I also remember SK’s Deacon having a hot and heavy hook up in an alley with MS’s Phyllis during one of MAB’s less than winning whodunit’s. Might have been interesting if they’d explored that pairing before dropping it so quickly… 0:)

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    EricasBlackSon

    [quote=SoapArmageddon]I wish some fans wouldn’t tie Carlivati’s bitchiness to his being gay. Yes, he favors the “prettier” male actors. Yes, he’s a diva-worshipper and comes off as a total diva himself. But those are personality flaws and writing imperfections, not a result of his sexuality.[/quote]

    I like you, SoapArmageddon.

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    Cornfed

    LMAO Swan Queen! :bigsmile:

    Who in their RIGHT MINDS would want to see a family built around Cardboard Cop? Hell even the resident cop Dante is only MILDLY interesting at best, let alone this new number. And Silas and Sam love scenes? An empty stomach would be required…

    Thanks for setting the record straight Stoney. I remember Kanan having plenty to do on B&B from what i had read, even tho i didn’t like the awful MAB writing when he was Nikki’s drinking buddy on YR, it did very little for me.

    I heard Patrick and Liz had a good scene, my friend FF’d thru the whole episode but did watch that. Liz is a just place holder til Teresa Castillo returns!

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    soapjunkie88

    [quote=brettyboy]Brad Bell has shown how little he cares about the character of Deacon and knowing B&B he’ll be gone again in a matter of months.[/quote]

    Kanan was on contract with B&B for four and a half years before. The entire time his character Deacon had front burner material. His marriage to Bridget, the affair with Brooke, wanting to have custody for Little Eric, his short marriage with Macy that was focused while wanting custody, his feelings for Amber and then Bridget again and finally his relationship with Jackie.

    Brad Bell has everything but cared little for the character of Deacon. In 2012, he brought Kanan back to address him as Hope’s father. There was never more planed. He didn’t sign a contract or anything. Instead Brad Bell used him longer than originally planed

    [quote=brettyboy]If I were Sean, I wouldn’t burn my bridges at ABC again.[/quote]

    And how did he do this? Sean had nothing but nice things to say about Valentini while he stayed on “GH”. And again he didn’t even attack Carlivati on a personal level. It was the other way around. So I don’t know how he would burn all his bridges with ABC…

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    Mets82

    I dont have a problem with that Sean and Ron responded to each other. Sean has the right to say how he feels. and so does Ron. You may not agree with both sides but they have the right to say something. Maybe Ron feels that way or maybe he was having a bad day but I dont see a problem with what Ron said or what Sean said.

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    pferrando

    I don’t watch GH but do read the threads.

    It’s interesting to see so much dissension now on the writing state of GH versus less than a year ago.

    Carlivati does come across as a sensitiva on Twitter.

    With all the recent MM drama on social media, you’d think he would have taken to high road.

    But carry on…Ronald.

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    Yoryla

    I will say, it’s a good thing that Frank is the real boss man over there, and the one who makes the decisions on the hiring and firing. I suspect Frank’s and Sean’s meetings have gone very calmly and well, and I don’t think Frank would have any problem taking him back one day if him and Sean agreed on it. Frank doesn’t strike me as the type of guy at all who makes decisions based on feelings, especially negative ones.

    I’m sure Frank and Ron have this relationship where Ron is like the child and Frank is the adult. I’m sure Frank will at times agree to some things to appease Ron’s blunt nature, and I’m sure there are things where Frank says very firmly what is not negotiable.

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    logan_echolls

    Don’t forget Ron had Michael talk about AJ being fat and how AJ should work out with him.

    Also I don’t get the tweet. school in the summertime..no class? But there is school during the summer, it’s called summer school.

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    Karissa

    Wow! Stop watching a show for three months and u miss a lot. Carlivati drove me from GH with the Carly – Franco pairing . I am sorry to see SK go

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    blake3b

    I can’t believe how RC has been acting. Jealous over Days winning best writing, and now his response to RK’s statement is just silly and bitchy. He seems to be the only writer I have heard bitch to the public via social network.

    How rude to have other characters call SK’s character fat! How childish is that? His boss and the people at ABC daytime should be making him take down his twitter page. He is making GH and ABC look bad.

    I felt like he and FC had great chemistry at OLTL, but it doesn’t seem so great on GH. I mean how many times have I seen clips from recent GH on The Soup on E! channel? Having the baby doll burn on the grill? The silly relish story where they constantly talked about relish? Soaps have it hard enough with respect with the public, and RC’s writing just makes it worse.

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