AW Full Episode from 10-22-'82! GL Full Episode 11-02-'79!

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Here you AW fans, I hadn't came back watching AW in '82 and this is great eppy w\location shoot, very early Cass had just joined AW in 7/82 a different kind of Cass. Sandy, Blaine, Cecile involving Cass in her schemes. Lots of Mac & Rachel during one of their divorces (Steve Frame is back in form of David Canary) Mac's granddaughter Maggie is a baby. It was good I enjoyed it, didn't know all the stories but knowing enough of AW to piece together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8bqq_oPFq9Y

I included my GL a full eppy from Nov. 2 '1979 during sweeps and it has it going on in the story department! I was a senior and remember these stories! Roger had raped Holly and on the run (this leading up in '80 when Roger plunges over the cliff). I loved crazy ass Lucille Wexler played deliciously by Rita Lloyd. She had been trying to kill Ben, Ed was married to Rita. The Spaualdings were newly introduced in '77 Alan in the form of CB...loved him as Alan. Lizzy's namesake Elizabeth Spaulding Phillp's mother. This is period that the Dobsons was HW for GL started in '75 creating long lasting characters such as the Spauldings, and the Roger & Holly relationship before going back to ATWT and Doug Marland came to GL in '80. I am in hog heaven, lots of '80s material on the internet but very little of '70s soaps and especially a full episode! Love Love Love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF7kCQDO9Q&feature=relmfu

Enjoy! I sure did last night with my soap divas!


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I just watched this episode.

I just watched this episode. What a difference in the quality and style compared to the crap given to us these days. The writing was so good. Did I was watching though the shows that are on the air now need to go back and look at the way soaps were writen. it was Character driven and not plot driven.

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harlee490, you really know

harlee490, you really know your way to a guy's heart. Smile Love

I go back and forth on which soap has meant the most to me over the years, but right now I would say it was definitely Another World. It was the first soap I ever saw and the only one I never ever missed an episode of through middle school, high school, most of college, and during my first working years.

A toast to you in soap heaven, Mac Cory. Beer

My GL love affair began with Reva, so it was good to see some of the good stuff that came before.

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I keep my fingers crossed

I keep my fingers crossed that Soap Classics will put out an "Another World" DVD. I'd love to relive some of Bay City's best moments.

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Harlee thanks for the trip

Harlee thanks for the trip down memory lane! I found myself remembering watching this episode! Some special things on this episode. The woman both Cass and Jamie Frame (played by the excellent Richard Bekins. He is by far my favorite Jamie.) was Dr Susan Sherrer. She is an original character (although not the original actress). She is a Matthews. Liz Matthews was her mother. Jamie and Susan mentioned Julia her daughter. The show was trying to reinvigorate the original Matthews clan with some new blood. Susan was brought back to Bay City to introduce Julia (played by Kyra Sedgwick in her first role. She was already a star you could see it. She had that spark and wasn't long for Hollywood. It was exciting to watch her blossum on AW). I hadn't known that they were trying out suitors for Susan until I saw this ep. today. It wasn't too long after this that she went back to Boston to hook up with her exhusband Dan Sherrer. It was assumed that they remarried. Along with Julia, they had tried to recast the role of Alice Matthews Frame and Steve Frame the big couple from the 70s. Steve though found himself inlove with Rachel instead. He died on the way to Rachel and Steve getting hitched. He left her his fortune much to the chagrin of the Frame family. In a few months after this episode they would fire Sally Frame's portrayor Jennifer Runyeon (Charles in Charge, the adult recast of Cindy Brady on the Brady Bunch.) After one or two mistries they settled on Mary Page Keller as the new now sweet Sally (Sally had been a bit of a vixen before). She and her new love interest Catlin Ewing were the Bo and Hope of Another World during a particularly successful time period of the show. In fact the two actors fell in love and got married. The revamping of the Matthews was a limited success that only lasted through say 1986 or so. After that they started disappearing again. Later they tried it again with Olivia Matthews and Josie Watts (Russ Matthews never heard of before daughters. Josie actually ended up being the only Matthews left when the show ended.)
Other interesting tidbits of this show. Alma Rudder and Ella Fitz! Alma was one of the scariest villans on daytime. She was like a hillbilly mafia godmother! The actress that played her was just amazing. Once again as always Mac Cory had the worst taste in the hired help. He should have gotten a few recomendations before he invited people to work for him! This woman was an unholy terror. Later on a few years later she terrorizes Blaine Ewing Cory (the woman on the horse) nearly to insanity before someone murdered her. And ofcourse Ella Fitz the woman she was talking to on the phone was played by the incomporable character actress Lois Smith.
She is best known for her character on the soap Sommerset as the crazy lunatic Zoe Cannel, but her extensive body of work on tv, stage and movies is as long as my arm.
Another side note is an early walk on role for Amanda Howard. The girl Jamie Frame was talking to "Cathy" when Rachel comes to see him, eventually won the role of Nicole Love 10 years or so later. Which is quite a coincidence being that she and Jamie were ex lovers at that point. She was mostly linked with Cass during her tenure as Nicole. Later Amanda Howard temporarily replaced Patsy Pease as Kimberly Brady on Days of our Lives. Patsy is a pretty emotionally fragile person and had some major issues during this time. Partially probably because of the heavily emotional storylines they threw at her (Days is not good at monitoring their stories with the actors that play these roles. Brenda Benet commited suicide partially because of the story lines she was playing. Susan Seaforth Hayes complained strongly about some of the emotionally charged scenes she had to play. She was feeling battered by them. Especially during her mother's writing tenure). Eventually Amanda Howard permantly replaced Patsy Pease as Kim until the role was written out. Most usually you see her now on commercials.
Another note about this ep. Mauve McGuire (in my opinion miscast) played Elena DePoulignac Cecille's mother, was daytime superstar recently from Edge of Night where she played Nicole for almost 20 years. As a side note to ATWT fans she was a temporary recast for Lisa in 1992. I didn't buy her as Elena because previously Elena had been more of a regular gal type who actually had an affair with Dennis Carrington, Iris Cory's son less than half her age. I couldn't see Mauve's version of the uppercrust matron doing such a thing. Christina Pickles had played the role before her and fit the role better.
It was great to see Sandy, Blaine, Cecille and Jamie though. They were some of my favorite all time characters on AW. Mainly because I saw Jamie growing up and they were adults around the same time I was becoming one, I think. Chris Rich went on to do sit coms (The Charmings, Reba) He and Nancy Frangione fell in love when they were playing Cecille and Sandy. They got married but later divorced. It was fun watching them in scenes together because their on screen relationship was pretty bitter after they divorced on screen. Knowing that they were married in real life made it extra fun to watch them hate on eachother.
To be honest with you, I am not sure what those Russian guys were doing on the show. I kinda remember some stuff about a poorly defined eastern block story on the show but it didn't really do much. It had to do with Rachel and her art work.
BTW ofcourse the Cory mansion was never used as an art colony. Mac and Rachel eventually ofcourse reconciled after Steve Frame died again (really this time. OBTW for soap fans, this Steve Frame recast was David Canary of AMC fame. He played Steve similarly to the way he played the role of Adam but not so evil lol) I am probably in a minority here but I enjoyed David Carnary as Steve. He was somewhat like Victor Newman. And I thought he and Rachel had a ton of chemistry (this was very much like the Victor/Nikki/Jack triangle on Y&R only in reverse. It was Mac that was Rachel's go to). However the writers didn't really do much with the character after he and Rachel got together. He just kinda played second fiddle to Rachel. Besides as these scenes heavily indicated, Rachel and Mac had unfinished business together. Their relationship hung out in the room like a big ole elephant. You can also see this in the xmas episode of 1982 that is also on Youtube.
One thing I would like to point out that is so different about todays stories as opposed to 1982. There was alot of drama going on with one or two stories but every story was not pumped up all the time. Plus side stories were all around. Now days, a soap will have two or three stories going on max. And every scene HAS to be punched up and overly dramatic. Two people can't just sit and talk. Noone ever goes and just tells someone something and discusses a situation anymore. I loved that Rachel ran over to talk about Mac giving her the estate! It was something that just isn't done anymore. Noone just drops in to flirt with a potential love interest either. I thought that was kinda cool how they handled the flirtations between Jamie and Susan and then Cass and Susan. Although nothing really came out of that, I thought hey how nice that they can just talk and no bomb explosions or a serial killer chasing them or anything. They just talked! Wow what a concept!
I will stop writing soon lol but I also just wanted to point out that the music they used in this episode was great. I miss music in soaps. They used to use it to set a tone or introduce the character. It made the scenes move along as well. Even a long scene was easy to sit through because of the background music. It also let us in on the intensions of the characters. That music that played in the background when Alma was talking to Ella Fitz was spot on perfect mustache twirling music. The theme song at the time wasn't too bad either. It wasn't my favorite but I did feel like it fit the show thematically. (I know Jamie Loved the Crystal Gayle/ Gary Morris theme song but I hated it. I didn't think this cosmopolitan show about rich people had anything to do with the lyrics or style of the song. After Catlin Ewing left the show the lyrics about a restless gambler had nothing to do with any of the characters. Had he stayed with the show maybe it would have been a little better). My favorite AW theme song was the one they used in the late 70s and very early 80s. ok I think I am done now LOL!

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No problem Mark I so enjoyed

No problem Mark I so enjoyed both episodes and on AW as when I left watching back in '77 Rachel's art was always present and known. When I started back in '95 it was seldom mention then about Rachel's as an artist. That was truly Rachel's career. So I was so happy to here them talking about her art. That little nod was great comfort. As you said soap characters don't just talk anymore on shows about family, relationships, hardships and sorrows. Soaps always had scenes like that with there A story playing out on canvas. It was how soaps was gearing up for the another story coming aboard in the future. It's called playing the beats! This is what made soaps unique because they had a SETUP, the time and luxury to do that type of story. P&G soaps was great of doing that folksy type of storytelling. As as the GL, if you get chance take look and it's the same way. You had the A stories going on w\Roger, (how young MZ) bat crazy Lucille Wexler Love ...I was senior and that was one my favorite stories along with the whole Roger\Holly dysfunctional relationship. Mom would tape the soaps(first Beta machines...a monster of machine birthday from dad in '75) this period is a Dobsons era. I would probably love SB because I loved the Dobsons writings on GL and ATWT great eras for both soaps. On both shows the characters Dobsons created had lasting power. ATWT Jennifer, Kim, Natalie (Judith Chapman), John/Bob/Jennifer/Kim quad a first. That was there first stint in early to mid '70s. Came back in '80 for 3 years Tom/Margo, Dee's rape by John. GL Dobsons defined the Roger\Holly, Spauldings, Marlers, Amanda Spaulding and teenager alcoholic Tim McIntyre.

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I am sure the Dobsons were

I am sure the Dobsons were great on both shows. Their material had such legs. Much like Pam Long later did with Reva (this is the time period I watched GL. But I wish I had seen the Dobsons work!) Certain writers just redefine what a show is or in Bill Bells case define it such as Y&R and B&B. The scene on AW definately had Pete Lemay's stamp written on it even though he had not been writing that show in 4 years or so. It just lingers in the characters and the dialog even after the writer is gone. Unfortunately the converse works as well. A bad head writer often leaves the same kind of foot print. I think Days is still stinking to high heaven because of choices from a few bad writers. Hopefully Y&R can erase the stink soon lol!

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Harlee- loved the GL

Harlee- loved the GL episode. I didn't watch AW back then, was already a CBS boy, but I didn't know the Dobsons wrote it back then. I didn't like SB at all, but they obviously knew GL. That's what is sad...I didn't find much of GL recognizable by the time it was cancelled. I think D Marland was its last great writer. I love the pacing...the pauses, and that most scenes are long and usually only with two characters. So much going on!

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Pferrando...GL had

Pferrando...GL had consistently had strong writers then and after Dobsons, came Marland another golden period and then Pam Long. Pam was the one that gave GL its biggest rating surge into the top 3 of the ratings. GL was always between 5th or 6th in ratings out of 16 soaps(roughly). I'm a CBSer for forever and CBS was the gold standard of soaps for years. They were abit more conservative compared to the other networks. Always doing social issues like ABC was the same and CBS's biggest competition at the time. I loved that period of GL it was so happening in the '70's stories. Smile