Lily and Tyler sitting in a tree...K.I.S.S.I.N.G

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Yeah, so for EVER when I

Yeah, so for EVER when I first joined this site there were two things that were OVERdiscussed for Y and R...

Amelia's hair...

Lily would only be on the show if she didn't have to kiss a black man...

Now that both have seemingly been addressed...where's the outrage and discussion? So silly.

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And, by the way, Tyler is

And, by the way, Tyler is still gross.

It's amazing how much power the writers have had on a lot of the viewers impressions of him. Instead of letting the pairing happen naturally, it has been thrown in everyone's face since the beginning, similar to the SB character.

I'd rather see her with Mason.

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I like Tyler. I think a lot

I like Tyler. I think a lot of viewers were turned off by the way he was introduced so strongly going after Lily...but he's been toned down since then.

Besides, how many womanizers have we seen in soaps, yet Tyler is the only one people have a problem with???????

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I don't mind Tyler. I kind of

I don't mind Tyler. I kind of hope they do split cane and Lilly up. Cane and Lilly's relationship feels like it has become a parent child relationship rather than husband and wife and I have found it kind of creepy lately.

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stoney07 wrote:I like Tyler.

stoney07 wrote:
I like Tyler. I think a lot of viewers were turned off by the way he was introduced so strongly going after Lily...but he's been toned down since then.
Besides, how many womanizers have we seen in soaps, yet Tyler is the only one people have a problem with???????

Thank you, Stoney! Way too many over the top men to even name...LOL. I actually like Tyler too, and I don't see him as this overly horrific person. Sure, I didn't care for his overly flirty persona in the beginning, but like you mentioned that was toned down. I'm glad they've given him an actual backstory, and we can see he's a good guy. I also like that he and Lily became friends, where you could see this wasn't him forcing anything...she's been feelin' him too.

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My issue IS with the way they

My issue IS with the way they introduced him and it was the only side of him for saw for months. Too late for me to go back now.

I'm all for splitting them up, just wish it wasn't with him.

Also too late to go back with that now as well.

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@pferrando: I'm a happy

@pferrando: I'm a happy camper here. Just cheesing. Smile But I can get the rub only on. Though it was not a problem for me. At least now we are getting somewhere.

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What is that supposed to

What is that supposed to mean?

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Tyler is sexy! I like this

Tyler is sexy! I like this pairing. She is definitely feeling him. So pferrando are you saying that you are not willing to change your opinion of the character even though he is becoming a more rounded character? Seems irrational. Are you a Lane fanatic? What do you mean by letting it happen naturally--these are characters created by writers who give them dialogue and action. This is 'natural' for fiction.

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No tashikins I am not a Lane

No tashikins I am not a Lane fanatic, in fact if you read any of my posts on this subject I have repeatedly said they should be split up, it makes for great soap.

I just don't like the character of Tyler. Nothing more.

You find him sexy, I don't.

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...kinda like you don't like

...kinda like you don't like Avery. Wink

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Tyler is not just a

Tyler is not just a womanizer, he has been near-stalking his bosses (Neil's) daughter; and during the week Cane was CEO of Jabot, his bosses' wife, Lily. He knows that she has 2 twins at home, and he knows that Cane is the 'jealous type'. Yet, in an obsessive fashion, he simply won't leave Lily alone.

This isn't former bi+ch, town wh0re Lauren we are talking about, with a 17-yr old teen named Fen, and 20-something son named Scott, going after some well-hun& bartender with a good set of pecs. This is Lily Winters, who dropped Daniel, a guy who really cared about her, for look at pron.

Tyler could have the pick of almost any woman in town. Great, balanced muscles, with a special detail to his abdominal section. I am sure that 'The Naked Heiress' or gone-now Eden would have been smilin' the morning after, had Josh G gone that route (which would have been more realistic). Actually a Kyle/Eden/Tyler triangle would have been very realistic.

So let's have the guy stay, but I find it hard to believe that obsessed-with-Lily Tyler can't have at least something in common with his dad, Gus. Maybe Gus raised him to go after only married women? Cause I'm not sure what would make a guy who looks like Tyler ONLY want a woman who is 10 years older than him, has 2 kids, and is his bosses' daughter?

The true answer is only the mind of Joshua Griffiths.

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I'm iffy on Tyler...? He has

I'm iffy on Tyler...? He has improved his acting and he's been quite good with the Gus story, but how can fans care about him when he is almost is stalking Lily to sniff her panties....phew! It looks like they (writers) are back paddling trying to give Tyler more range instead of a "player". The writers miss it on how they should had introduced him. They are ramming Lily\Tyler hook-up a bit fast and considering Lane fans not sure this is smart move.

ITA w\Pferrando, I have always said I would like a Lily\Mason hook-up more because they share common things in general...but Mason has been missing for a few weeks.

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I like Tyler when he's with

I like Tyler when he's with his sister, in the whole Wheeler saga.

I just with we'd see more of Mason.

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@everyone: Let's remember how

@everyone: Let's remember how Shemar Moore was when he first came on. In fact Redric Scott came on acting much better than his ass.

See the evidence here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nH5j14ueM

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No offense to Tyler or the

No offense to Tyler or the actor, but he is no Shemar Moore. In looks or in the charisma factor.

I think in time those of us who are a little iffy on the character will be able to see him in a different light. It's too bad the writers brought him in as seeming like such a pig and obvious. Less is more, IMO.

The follow up scene with Lily and him actually wasn't that bad yesterday.

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He is better than Shemar was

He is better than Shemar was when he first came in and again I find him very good-looking. Shemar is also hot -- they are different but equally lovely.

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Redaric is a decent actor.

Redaric is a decent actor. He's acting better than Shemar Moore did at first, I agree with that. He's also acting better than some males that are a part of the "supercouple" era of soaps, if we be completely honest.

I just don't see now how Tyler is stalking Lily...when 90% of the time in the past couple of months, Lily and Tyler have met AT THE OFFICE. It was coincidental. Now in the beginning, I got the stalker vibe, but now I don't. I don't even really see him pursuing her as much as he did at first, or as much as she probably WANTS him to.

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Damn! Shemar was bad in those

Damn! Shemar was bad in those scenes.

Beautiful to look at, but we’re talking Yvonne Zima/Texas Battle/Nadia Bjorlin-bad. Smile

(I could almost see him thinking, "This is the part where I'm gonna grit my teeth.... And here is where I'm gonna wave my arms around.")

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I agree!!! As much as I love

I agree!!! As much as I love Shemar, Redaric is a MUCH better actor than he was in his early years of Y&R. Loved that charisma, but some of those scenes of him trying to be serious were just horrid....LOL. He did improve greatly over the years, so I do believe Daytime is a great starting ground for actors.

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Yeah, but the prob is, is

Yeah, but the prob is, is that Tyler isn't pursuing any other woman at all. He could get many women to drop their clothes, just by showing off his muscles with a smooth line, but chooses not to.

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Shemar was new to acting, but

Shemar was new to acting, but he caught on quick and was likable the entire time.

Although we had different writers for him than for Tyler...sigh...

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Malcolm was likable for a

Malcolm was likable for a good amount of time. But he spent a few months in my dog-house, after the cold medicine 'event' with Drucilla.

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Yeah, but he didn't know did

Yeah, but he didn't know did he? I don't remember...And THAT happened quite some time after he was introduced.

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I've never thought of NyQuil

I've never thought of NyQuil in quite the same way after that "cold medicine" storyline. Wink

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@SoapArmageddon: "My brother

@SoapArmageddon: "My brother means the world to me Dru!"

That was epic bad acting there. Epic.

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Yes Malcolm did know or at

Yes Malcolm did know or at least suspect, in any case Neil was his brother!

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Obviously, I like Shemar

Obviously, I like Shemar Moore. Who doesn't like the guy? Ageless, perfect shape, great example to all men who want to be fit.

And by the time of the Great Reveal of Lily's paternity in 555-5555, Shemar's acting was to the level of Emmy-winning. Even Christil knocked it out of the park on That Day (The Day of Drucilla collapsing next to the door and the half-bookcase). And of course, Victoria Rowell was perfect.

Harlee, post the clip!

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Yeah...I think Bill

Yeah...I think Bill understood a lot of the times, that he was hiring some young inexperienced talent (even his daughter was bad at first), but he obviously was great at seeing the potential of his characters/actors. And when they didn't work, he recast quick before anyone got too attached. He also only recast if the actor chose not to return. I think Brenda D is one of the only examples I can think of.

Shemar was so damn hot on the show...and he really did have a lot of fans. I don't think this Tyler guy can be compared to him at all IMO.

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@pferrando: Redrick Scott is

@pferrando: Redrick Scott is way better than Shemar Moore when he started. That's the point. Shemar started with zero acting talent and grew. Redrick is starting out with a much higher proclivity toward acting and that is something that can be worked with and molded quickly.

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Hey david46208...I never said

Hey david46208...I never said Shemar was a better actor when he started...I said he was hotter and had more charisma. And of course that's just my opinion.

I actually think Mr Scott started out with more of a handicap due to the way he was written, and we know there are a lot of Lane fans out there who were "told" by the new team that this was the guy that was being hired to come between the two.

It would have served the story much better to have him come on as a coworker, and have them gravitate toward each other (like now) as Lily becomes his sounding board about his Dad. The story had to stop a bit because the writers had him coming on too strong looking like he was sexually harassing a coworker. And a married one at that.

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@pferrando: I agree that he

@pferrando: I agree that he should have came on as a coworker and slowly gravitated. I'm gauging that needed that early on come on to strike up some jealously with Co-Cane. But I can see the rub. Never-the-less I think we are finally moving right along. We'll see how things turn out.

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Cepting that Shemar (Malcolm)

Cepting that Shemar (Malcolm) was a really likable fellow, whose character even survived a story-line conceived by Bell and The Gang, involving him basically raping his sister-in-law, when she was drugged out on cold medicine. But he always had that winning smile, and that pleasant disposition, to get him along through the Winters Family. Once he found out that Dru didn't want him, he moved on to other ladies.

Unlike MILF-stalker Tyler, who just HAS to have mother-of-twins Lily Ashby. Can't even think about another woman at Jabot or in town. Got to have long-married Lily Ashby. Lily...Lily...Lily. Cane works just down the hall, got to have Lily. Dad works just a little bit further away, got to have Lily. For 5 months Lily has said NO, but now she has given him a little kiss.

So who is she going to be? Lauren, Part II?

And what has he been doing the last 5 months? Being Celibate? A guy who looks like he does?

The guy is basically Davis Rogan, on the run, for something or another. At this point, does this convoluted stuff really matter? Why would Valerie and Davis have to change their names? Just because their Dad is a murderer? That's the big secret? Oh well.

Oh well, Tyler was blatantly sent in by Joshua to break up Cane and Lily, and I guess it's going to happen.

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Hey mon...yep...we've been

Hey mon...yep...we've been told, and shown that it's going to happen.

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@hey mon: And I can't wait

@hey mon: And I can't wait for him to break them up! Because as a poster said that is a father and child relationship. Chester the Molester if you ask me... Wink

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Father and child. David,

Father and child. David, don't you think that those words are a bit extreme? You make it sound like Cane is molesting his 9 year old daughter, or something. Honestly, I am not crazy about Dan Goddard. I think that he is a bit too expressive in his personal life about his well-developed body, especially since The Powers have him aimed at capturing the hearts of 14-19 yr old girls, which he does very well. So in real life, he does come across to me as a type of weird fellow.

But since there is only 10 years between him and Lily, their on screen romance is fine. Vic and Nik have 17 years, Vic and Ash had 19 years, Victoria and Billy have 9 years.

If one wants to talk about ultra-creepy, who besides ol man HeyMon remembers the scene back in 1994, where just-graduated from high school Sharon was holding Baby Adam right after Hope brought him home from the Hospital? Now she can't live without that Adam-'mojo' getting her wet parts wet.

But that's Daytime.

"Isn't that right little Brady, isn't that right?" That was Kristen back in the mid-90s as Mr Black's step-mom, when he was a child. Now she's saying, "Give it to me right Brady, give it to me right," late at night.

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@hey mon: Cane is in his

@hey mon: Cane is in his 40's. Remember he passed himself off as Jill's son. Now Lily is in her early 20's. That means when cane was college age Lily was not even thought of yet. So that is what makes it a father and daughter relationship.

When it comes to daytime history, they have generally played into the storyline the age difference of the characters if they were under 25 and the other partner was over 40. Y&R failed to play that beat. So it made it creepy.

Brady on Days is between 29-33. There is a big difference there between that and some girl at barely 20 getting with a man that much older than her.

It is like in How Stella Got Her Groove Back when Stella's 19 year old lovers mother met Stella and made it a point to point out that Stella and her were the same age.

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uhhhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhh... Lily

uhhhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhh... Lily is jealous of Tyler's "date"??

She turned 50 shades of green!!

I forsee blimps dive bombing CBS studios...

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@TraceyAbbot101: Lane fans

@TraceyAbbot101: Lane fans gonna attack Sony Studios...lol

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Thank God for Lola. Lola you

Thank God for Lola. Lola you made my day! Tyler is a normal guy, not a MILF-obssessed chasing freak.

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Dave, I think Cane's official

Dave, I think Cane's official age is 37. I know Phillip was Jill's son, who is supposed to be 42 right now. But the Powers must have age-changed Cane/Phillip back 5 years after the "Great Reveal" about Cane's true parentage back in 2008 and 2009.

Lily was 15 when she was brought on in 2002, so I think she is supposed to be at least 26 yrs old right now. Not sure what her official age is. But I will grant you that it is at least 11 years difference.

The ultra-creepy thing about Brady and Kristen is that she used to take care of him when he was a kid in the mid-90s, and I distinctly remember a scene or two with her acting 'motherly' towards him. That is a bit weird, even for DAYS. But since they are my favorite naked couple of the year, and their fire-trucking scene was so fantastic, who cares?

And once again, Sharon DID hold Adam when she was 17 yrs old, and he was just coming home from the Hospital, back in 1994 or 1995. Wish I could find the scene on YouTube, but I con't.

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The age thing with Cane and

The age thing with Cane and Lily has never been a thought to me. Plus it's a soap.

I'm also not buying Lily's jealousy over the model or gf....was that the first time she was on? And why hasn't Tyler been shirtless again? We need some gym shots or let's heat that sauna back up.

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I'm all for the sauna...

I'm all for the sauna... whatever happened to Summer prancing around near-naked, too?

Today it was good to see Lily getting REALLY (too much actually) jealous over Tyler getting some 'fun' with Noah and his date. Lily, remember your 2 twins back home.

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@hey mon: She remembers the

@hey mon: She remembers the twins underneath the clothing. Wink