P~~~Popcorn hell, I'm getting a martini...hmmm I think I will do a dirty tomolive w\plenty of tomolives...
2013 Daytime Emmy Nominations are in:
Hunter King as Chestie??
and the nods for all of the guys!! Woo hoo Doug Davidson.
Y&R leads the pack!!
Phyllis! Avery! Billy!! Chelsea!!
wait? What? No Steve Burton... oh my....
For OUTSTANDING DRAMA SERIES I think it will be hands down THE BOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL
For OUTSTANDING WRITING again will B&B and look at some of these writers all from Bill & Y&R...that makes me sad
Bradley P. Bell, Head Writer
Kay Alden, Co-Head Writers Rex M. Best, John F. Smith
For OUTSTANDING YOUNGER will be definitely
Male MAX EHRICH, as Fen
THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS
Female my wish
Hunter King, as Summer "Chestie" Newman
THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS
Outstanding Lead Actress: Susan Flannery
Outstanding Lead Actor: Doug Davidson
Outstanding Supporting Actress: Katherine Kelly Lang
Outstanding Supporting Actor: Billy Miller
Outstanding Younger Actress: Jacqueline MacInnis Wood
Outstanding Younger Actor: Freddie Smith
Outstanding Daytime Drama: One Life To Live
Outstanding Pontificator on this site: JaSam
Yikes someone on here is in need of meds and does not come off credible in the least. All you handled yourselves well.
I agree with most of the assessments here about the current state of Y&R. The writing has improved in that it is more realistic again and aimed toward it's character driven roots. Unfortunately, it is mind numbingly boring most of the time. Then you add to that an influx of new characters, a complete overhaul to the production structure and you get GH 2.0. I don't think Jill is all that tapped into what the audience wants to see. She is more consumed with her own vision. Y&R is not her type of show and she proved it in how quickly she changed the tone of it. That IMO is a recipe for failure.
Josh REALLY needs to work on character development. He also needs to address his inability to build tension. His writing has zero suspense. A crucial ingredient in good soap opera storytelling. He's not made a real positive impression on me.
As it looks now this team is not going to save Y&R. I think ratings went up because interest was there and now that we see where they are going some fans are fading back into the sunset. Y&R has so strayed from it's personality I don't feel a deep connection to it right now. It's just blah.
... Y&R has so strayed from it's personality I don't feel a deep connection to it right now. It's just blah.
This is an excellent point - what I was trying to say earlier when talking about plot. It's tension and suspense that we need more than ever.
Restless I agree with what you say about Jill.
Having read everything she "said" in all those interviews early on...she has actually done the opposite. She talked a lot about core families, but that hasn't been the case recently. If she truly was concerned about the show I don't think we'd be seeing all the changes that have been on her clock.
I was always skeptical and I think I had the right instinct.
Restless you summed it up perfectly in what is lacking and very good point on about Josh on character development to build the character so a story could have suspense...if it's a newbie how can you ask the audience to be invested when the character hasn't been built properly for the viewer to be involved & root for a new character. It flatlines.
Today was the start of May sweeps and very little happened at all to kick off in high gear for sweeps month. Even as slow as Bill was in his storytelling he always had stories balanced for sweeps to kick it off with a bang. Lauren\Michael\Fen story was the best part of today, this thing about kicking Jill Foster to the curb by Katherine for Cane? WTF! This man conned & lied to both, has no experience to run a multi-international empire is RIDICULOUS! This team on both fronts Jill evidently doesn't want to use the character of Jill, refuses to keep anything resembling as Y&R but turning it into a new soap, HERS...what the hell am I watching?...and Josh's writing is falling flat with his own stuff now and I'm so confused on how I feel about Y&R right now. Well I've been patient and ppl are right about JFP & Josh needs someone else on his team, Judy the casting director brings nothing but ABC leftovers...and now the news of Jeanne...not a good day.
pferrando; I was hopeful because I watch GL during her tenure there. There was some amazing things then and I was hoping we would get THAT JFP. My confidence in her has dwindled considerably.
I just didn't want her on the Y and R set with her GH hat on. I don't think she ever took it off. Bleh.
I think JFP should have retired when she left GH. I am sure she is not hurting for $.
OLTL, GH, AW, GL, SB, enough is enough.
harlee I love how you put things. As for Cane I can't stand that character. We are eternally stuck with him due to his fan base. He's such a douche. I will never buy Cane as a good guy. He isn't. He's just a douche.
I don't know, I've been disappointed for the most part with this show of late. Early in the year it seemed as though they had a pretty decent balance going on--for one, the show was no longer being eaten alive by Victor and Phyllis--and JG seemed to be trying to flesh out characters introduced by MAB that had potential(Avery, Chelsea, Leslie)but were either poorly utilized or just under-utilized. I loved that they were moving Phyllis back into Jack's orbit. I actually really liked Nick and Avery in the beginning. I was glad that JG was addressing Sharon's insane, way-over-the-top histrionics during the whole Newman takeover. And while I wasn't, and am still not, crazy about thinks-way-too-damn-much-of-himself Tyler, I appreciated that they were trying to create a little backstory with Leslie without going completely overboard(well, not then anyway).
Then Dylan McAvoy arrived and that balance seemed to disappear. The instant backstory with Avery(who is now apparently JG's muse), which some eps is practically it's own damn character. The show being overrun by newbies; Monday's ep was entirely too Tyler/Dylan/Avery/random hair models heavy. Sharon returning for yet another round with Adam(and I'm sorry, and a little off-topic here, but did anyone else think it a little odd that Avery went to SHARON for advice about Nick and Dylan? Since when were they BFFs and since when has Sharon ever been known for sage advice regarding men? She's slept with just about anyone that doesn't have a v----- between their legs in the last few years.) Kevin--and sadly, by extension, Chloe--being completely pointless and useless. The show eaters--yeah, Dylan and Avery--taken entirely too much screen time away from actors/characters who most of us want to see(Paul, Cricket, Nikki, Noah, Fen, JILL). The one bright spot during all of this has been the re-emergence of the Baldwins, especially Lauren; putting Tracey Bregman front and center where she belongs is a no-brainer and the material and story is the best she's had in probably a decade.
All that said, I don't mind Dylan--and I don't think SB is a bad actor at all. There's just no pacing there with regards to the Dylan/Avery story; they've thrown all in right up front with everything they have rather than let it progress naturally(maybe have them on once or twice a week, like everybody else, rather than four or five times). I really think pulling back a little on that story would open up alot of the canvas to work other stories and characters that need addressing.
Chris...PHENOMENAL recap of what was so right turning into our current state. And I'm glad to hear someone else give MAB some credit for introducing some of the current characters that I have actually always liked. Josh DID though define them more for us.
Like a lot of us have lamented about on here...it IS the balance that shifted by the intro of SB's Dylan with all that not needed backstory of his and then with Avery.
(I also still wish Josh would have wrapped up some of the stories that were just dropped. Patty...Ricky...and yes even Daisy.)
Sooner or later I'm thinking that if JFP gets enough of these bricks dropped on her head by the fans that she'll chill it with her golden boy.
Chris, that is a really accurate description of how everyone thinks. Good way to put it, pretty detailed way to say the way that it is at Y&R.
I don't hate the show, but I do have some issues. I like Griffith's writing for the most part. Griffith's writing is a little slow, but I'll take that over MAB's crazy sh*t. However, I have an issue with the EP. Way too many new sets at once and way too many newbies. The new characters need to be slowly integrated into the show.
I cannot stand Avery/Dylan. That sh*t is eating the show up and the b*tch is as exciting as Lisa Lang. I never cared for the character under MAB, now I hate her because so much of the show is centered around this useless hack. Plus, she has chemistry with no one. I think Jessica Collins is a good actress, but I don't think she fits into Y&R well. I don't hate Steve Burton or Dylan, but they show his character too much and he is involved in too many stories. This reminds me of the end of MAB's reign when she had Stafford involved in every damn storyline.
I think the younger actors are better for the most part and their storylines are good. They play the supporting role well. The only exception being nuKyle. Why the hell was BH replaced? I know everyone hated him (I was in the minority and liked him). This new actor sucks, IMO.
Kevin/Chloe-why are the writers STILL trying to sell them as a couple? Newsflash- they are awkward as sh*t to watch. There is still potential with Chloe because of her interests (fashion and she does have chemistry with her costars), but I really don't know why they can do with Kevin. His personality has been altered so much that I don't see him fitting with Y&R.
The Chelsea baby storyline is dumb. She's been pregnant three times in a year. Plus, the timing is off and I don't get why certain characters are connected to this storyline. It just doesn't make sense.
I like Phyllis and Jack. Bergman is the only actor who can make Stafford tolerable for me. Plus, the Producers have toned Stafford's acting down has been beneficial to the show as a whole.
I'm starting to lose interest in the Carmine/Lauren drama.
Overall, the show is way too slow. Time to shake things up and switch up the lifeless couples.
@Dylan, I feel exactly the same way, I don't hate the show but there are problems turning into major problems. JFP constant changing needs to stop, some things needed updated but no need for a complete overhaul. Everything might not been perfect under MAB but the look of Y&R was still there and minor tweaking ok, Josh is part of the problem also and has the right instinct for Y&R but in some parts his writing is utterly falling flat. He does a build up and then it fizzles where it should have the punch to either kick it in high gear or move the story into the next phase and this isn't happening. I know some want to blame everything on JFP but they are a team and her & Josh are both responsible for the look and feel or is this Sony's doing to change Y&R which I wouldn't think so being they have the #1 soap?
Pferrando made a point on a post a week or so ago about the directing which is very uneven. Some days great other days it's like WTF?
What is positive about the show is the dialogue is still crisp and flows 100% better than under MAB & sometimes that's what is best about the show on any given day. There is more diversity and spotlighting that diversity with story is a huge plus and it helps they have a pretty good collection of actors portraying the characters. The slight problem I see is for Neil been used to prop-up the Leslie story, which Neil needs his own individual story along w\Leslie & Tyler's story. The actor playing Tyler I seen an improvement in his acting skills since his debut and I have hope down the road. I didn't mind Tyler bedding what's her name because they started off writing him as this stud, OK then let him sleep w\multiple women and this could become an issue as doing a STD storyline which Tyler wakes up and realizes his studly ways...and with Lily & her history of having STD could be the reason for a bonding friendship between both.
Now this "Rose" character if not another woman Gus was sleeping with is it another sibling and that's the love child of Belinda & Wheeler and "Rose" came to Gus for answers because she was put up for adoption? I would like that idea if came to be and adding her to the younger set with Fen, Summer, etc. Gus stated he was completely faithful to Belinda...makes you wonder...hmmm.
I feel the same way about Dylan & Avery, I don't have problem with each character but the problem is the airtime hogging and leaving the real vets out completely. Pre-anniversary Dylan was on 2 maybe 3 times a week I was fine with this and it was letting the viewers get to know him but now it like EVERY SINGLE DAY....again balance...this causes people to turn away from the characters and dislike which is hard for audience to come back and like either one.
Where is Nikki and her story? That's it? or why wasn't Nikki at the hospital for Katherine. MTS has been on 3 times since anniversary show.
Where's Paul & Alex?
Kevin & Chloe and what's the admiration of those two that Josh has them front & center is one ridiculous situation after another...UGH!
Well, I hate to tell you all BUT they have a casting call out for ANOTHER 18 year old, also they are recasting Faith (but she will be remaining 5 for now). That along with another FOJ coming, and have they SORASED Reed since today's show JT wants Victoria to take him?
The cast is way to large already, not enough screen time for what they have, and they keep adding. Do we have a mass slaughtering up coming? It's VERY hard to keep interested in something when you don't see character's for over a week or two. Bill Bell excelled at keeping all his stories well paced and not dropped for weeks on end. What is so hard for them to understand they had an uptick in viewers when the vets were showcased, and now its sliding back down.
Nobody gives a rats ass about the Dylan and Avery show, tired of seeing some 40 y o crying over this dude like they had some great love. Just ain't seeing it.
We haven't seen Paul and Chavez in how long, and here we go with another "new" detective.
Enough bitching for now.
What I hate is Jill coming on...saying the cast is too big, and then she keeps hiring more actors to clog the screen and water down those she KNOWS the fans want to see.
She's not dumb, but seems very arrogant to me. I didn't want her then, and I want her less now.
Maybe Sony/CBS should have removed Maria as head writer and kept her EP duties. The writing could only have improved, but at least we'd still have the look and feel of the show with the same familiar sets, and great music.
She had casting issues as well, but we still got a lot of the vets with screen time. I do admit the diversity probably wouldn't have been there.
So we come full circle and back to harlee's question? What to do about Y and R?
Not another one new face...geez! If it's connected to core character I could be possibly OK with this but just another completely "new" character...this is getting so ridiculous and it better not be another HOLLYWOOD HEIGHTS throwaway because I will be pissed.
Well, with all these newbies the only thing I can figure out is that she was told not necessarily to cut the CAST but the PAYROLL. Thus, you have the big-ticket names like Francis, Morgan and Nichols gone and you bring in a bunch of unknowns who are just happy to have a job and the pay that comes with it(of course the exception being Steve Burton). Just a thought.
Chris...I agree and get that...but look at the way all the vets are thrown on in one day (I think it was Tuesday's or yesterday's show). Spread them out...don't have so many characters on the screen at a time.
This is noticeable from all the sets that should have extras...GCAC, Crimson Lights, GCPD, hospital, the restaurants. But certainly it could all be more balanced.
I'd be curious just how much of a pay cut our boy Steve took. My guess is none.
pferrando -- Great idea of having MAB as the Executive Director, and Josh G as the Head Writer. That probably would have kept a good balance. Maybe some of MAB's crazy fire, with Josh's even writing style.
But I do miss the crazy hi-jinks that Hogan Sheffer is renowed far ans wide for.
I think Hogie did a bang up job for a while at ATWT...and he won a ton of sh#t for it. But he just couldn't tone it down enough for Y and R.
I think we all know that soaps have changed since those slow days of the 70's, and I am all for inspired writing and for new stories...but that dude was out of control. Paired with Maria, good lord. And who really knows who was responsible for what.
Now we got Josh, who at first seemed to focus and energize the writing. Lately we have a lot of stalled moments.
Us Y and R loyals need a damn break.
I'm starting to think that I need to hire a blimp and storm CBS headquarters with the banner:
JFP, USE THE ACTORS WE KNOW.
There must be a Lane fan or two out there that can tell me how to make that happen.
Pferrando - I agree. I liked alot of what Hogan did at ATWT too. Towards the end it got crappy but those first few years I loved.
I was just remembering fondly the "3 ladies at a spa" story the other day.
OH yes Hogan did some amazing stories on ATWT, I personally loved some of that period, but he had P&G's old writing guard to rein him back which I think made a difference. When Barbara was caught in that fire and the makeup was amazing was good stuff. Here's the clip the first time we saw Barbara's face...Colleen Zink I love you!
SoapA...LOL...let big on zepplin exploded with confetti raining down on CBS's studios.
Is this new character connected to Gus ....Rose?
Well, said Harlee...............YEAH!!
Not another young kid on The Show, and please not another 18-yr old, another inexperienced HH wanna-be that doesn't know anything about acting. Sick of it. NuKyle is a total bust, Abby is a stupid goner, too. The Abbotts are a total bust now, with these 2 yawn-bores representing the next Abbott generation.
Thank God Fenmore was on today, what a pleasant surprise. Another day of unpleasant surprises in the form of Chloe and Kevin, with Kevin supposedly ultra-horney and on his way to find whipped cream. Stupid.
Oh well. I am still liking the little inter-action with Mason yesterday, as well as Victor being on today.
Tedew, you would be freaking out as I write this, but, I want Victor on more.
I want the phrase "cat suit" banned from this show, please.
And we have Chavez (or do we?), so who was this chick acting all butch and asking random questions of the fine upstanding citizens of Genoa City?
And since Paul was on...where were those wide shots we were hoping for?
Wow Harlee, love the clip! I remember when Hogan took over writing at ATWT him saying one of his goals was to restore Barbara to a place of prominence on the show and man did he deliver; she pretty much drove story the entire time he was writing the show. Barbara being caught in the fire and then being a recluse in that mansion--like you I love Colleen Zenk and was pissed she didn't get an Emmy for that arc because she was AMAZING. That era of ATWT was right up there with late '80s/early '90s ATWT when Douglas Marland was writing the show IMO. Damn that was some good soap opera.
Since Paul is now Chief of Police, will we even get to see him in tight jeans very much?
Yes I'm sick of always talking about the "catsuit" always talking about this in a conversation...maybe Kevin would look pretty in "catsuit"
Chris...yes after I posted the clip I got all involved again was watching ATWT and Barbara. It showed the Paul I preferred over RH was SH and then the next clip had ole Lucinda in Craig's face which who doesn't love Lucinda in anyone's face
This is from SON:
"Two writers from “The Young and The Restless” were given the axe.
"Exiting the show are breakdown writers Paula Cwikly and Michael Conforti. Cwikly has been with “Y&R” since 2006 and Conforti recently joined the show in late 2012."
This is start and could be a couple more in my opinion. Now Y&R replace with some Y&R old writers that had was studying under Bill, Kay! The one is from LML era...thank you sweet Jesus!
I saw that too...
Conforti came form GH, so I'm especially glad about that one.
I hope this isn't the case of "let's fire someone further the line, so I don't get canned"....
Lets see who they are replaced with. If its more FOJ or HH writers, I'll be pissed.
The logical choice would be former Y and R writers, yes!
Oh yeah, SH as Paul--hated RH's take on Paul but then I think RH is wildly overrated so there's that--was def the best and I loved when they paired him with Martha Byrne's Rose. And Hunt Block as Craig...wow. That show was killing it back then.
Best story right now is Micheal and Lauren and showing what can happen to a couple who have been married awhile and find themselves attracted to another person. Fenmore is great, plays the dark character so well. I am liking the Victor/Adam scenes, and Victor and his "Billy Boy" comments to Billy always crack me up. I still like the vets the best to watch. Chloe and Kevin, a big bore, their coupling needs to end. As for Dylan, Steve Burton is not going anywhere, he's JPF favorite. I can start to like him if he wasn't being "So forced" on the viewers to like him as Mr. Perfect. See no chemistry with him and Avery. They should build a more relationship with him and Chelsea. Adam and Sharon, the sex scenes seem too forced and staged. All of the soaps need to find that " one special couple" because I just don't see that chemistry between anyone like the soap days from the 80's and 90's. Is it just the actors or the writing?
Hell yeah Harlee! Great clip!
Colleen was just divine in that story! Love her!
Ummm..... Conforti is MY last name.......
LOL! TraceyAbbott Conforti you've been replaced
Kay and Jill together today...
Tracey and harlee...lots of coincidences today. (Conforti)
I'm not sure if you've seen today's show yet, but it's truly amazing. And when I say that, I am only referring to the scenes with Kay...and especially where she is finally alone with Murphy, and then with her greatest rival Jill. Their last scene breaks my heart. But it's so fitting, and poignant that I'll be saving it. I fear that it will, but don't want it to be their last together.
P~~~No I haven't seen the show today, had to go to restaurant to make deposits and didn't want to watch half and then leave. I can't wait will go at 6pm to watch...will it make me cry, I've been spelling all day
You will be a wreck. I still am. Kay and Jill together...
Oh God. I already know it's going to be waterworks when I see it.
Heartbreaking....because we know...
It most likely IS goodnight....
pferrando -- Still hoping. Jeanne/Katherine has been the last 35 years of my life. High School, College, the 90s, 00s as Jill's Mother, '10 - '12 as Tucker and Devons' Mom and Son; and finally, these last, few months.
P~~I watched and you was so right, I just fell apart. I'm not sure how many more scenes were taped before Jeanne came ill but it will probably be soon. It was emotionally packed scene that had so much meaning now, especially for Jess Walton...knowing she's sick and look on Jess's face said all. I know you feel differently but propping up Cane and making him CEO grates my nerves and it to me doesn't ring true at all...
The episode was good the only low point was now flashbacks of Dylan\Avery's baby scenes, it was so forced and how can you ask the viewers to be connected to these characters when the backstory is so lame, FF through most of that mess.
The rest was great w\Phack, Fen, Summer and did notice nuKyle got a trim, his voice is very deep I noticed. Carmine...he's up to something, I think he knows Billy has a gambling problem and possibly going to blackmail Billy...something is off, befriending Fen, showing up when Lauren least expects it, now Billy...makes me go hmmmmm? Kyle towered over little Fen, regardless nuKyle is a strapping young man Nick bringing up Jack's playboy days I loved that nod to history because Bill did originally wrote Jack (Terry) as a playboy for years. Can't wait until Tracy comes home. I wondering if they are still going there about Jack\Summer, because when Jack mentioned if "I had a daughter"...makes you think. I loved, Phyllis telling Summer "if I hear any stories of you in your underwear"...hehe..MS & HK truly has that mother\daughter vibe going on so much better than the first Summer. I know I'm minority but I love HK as Summer, I wish the would make her a redhead which would be nice touch.
I loved the Jill\Esther exchange...Esther saying maybe she should have brain surgery and Jill piped in to Esther about not doing brain transplants yet and Esther telling Jill she needed a personality transparent was classic...I howled. Jess knows how to deliver those lines!
TraceyAbbott.. Calling all TraceyAbbotts...great news I just read on Twitter from Michael Logan my delicious little diva Beth has taped 12 episodes starting Monday and end in sight...as he said Tracy's back!!! This is best news I've heard in weeks!
There was HUGE kerfuffle on twitter btw MM & EB last night...some fan "Daisy099" was carrying a big wooden spoon and "stirring the pot"...I went back and read them and MM was pissed off!!
Yeah, yesterday was truly written very well. Really reminded me of an episode from the 90s, with Jill and Katherine. If the inevitable happens, because we all have to die and life is too short, then this may be the last scene between Jessica Walton and Jeanne Cooper.
Yes, Beth Maitland is back next week. She said her first appearance is in the middle of the week and she will be in a story line with LAUREN!!!
I can't wait, I can't wait......
Is the bug squashed here yet?
I see the turtle has made the opening sequence....... UGH....