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Tracey -- I didn't mind

Tracey -- I didn't mind Daisy, either. I especially liked it when she wanted to be a good mother to the poor, little girl.

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I didn't like Daisy as a

I didn't like Daisy as a character, but I liked her most when she was battling Phyllis. And especially when she wanted to help Ricky get the dirt on her. I was disappointed they just let that all go.

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I hear ya, RoryLA. Daisy was

I hear ya, RoryLA. Daisy was more than formidable as an adversary against Phyllis. JoshG should have let that one play itself out a bit more.

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@hey mon: Really? Let me

@hey mon: Really? Let me remind people of something. Eric Braden, Melody Thomas Scott, Jess Walton and even Michelle Stafford were pretty much written off. The contract issues for these vets set all the fans off! In fact even when Melody returned she was sparsely used in favor of Maria Arena's Bell's primetime or ABC soap actor pick of the month.

Jeanne Cooper famously gave that interview where she informed the fans that she walked into MAB's office and informed her that she was not going to be reduced to serving rice pudding and doling out advice or they could put a blonde wig on another old actress. Ask the DC crew, they posted it here.

And Maria brought back some vets and then put them in some of the worst storylines we have ever seen on this show. Phillip pretending to be dead because he was gay was a poor use of Nina and the real Phillip. And other than that Nina was generally wringing her hands at the plight of her poor children.

Also Kristoff Saint John is a vet 18+ years. And he was rarely used already and was back burned for speaking out about it. When LML and Josh was there "never did I work more..." his own words. And you notice since Josh is back his screentime has increased again!

Tonya Lee Williams appeared in some half-ass scenes a few times a year if that for less than a minute with all the other black characters for their 1st and 15th episode.

In fact in all the years of watching Y&R, it was under MAB's tenure that we saw and heard more actors on that show voicing their own frustration and disgruntled feelings toward the management, Maria included.

Now If you want me to list some more I can keep them coming. But you can't change the facts that Maria in 5 years did the worst damage to the show. 5 years ya'll 5 years!

And those ratings dropped under Maria Arena Bell. So the proof is in the pudding. If Maria was soooo good then the ratings would not have dropped!

Try again!

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There were aspects of both

There were aspects of both LML and MAB that was great but they both have to go. Of course, I'm not too impressed by JFP/JG either. All and all I just wish Kay Alden would come back so Sharon could wake up to a pregnant Cassie sitting at the kitchen table indicating we've fast forwarded 8 years and set Y&R in a new direction. Branch out from the passing of Katherine Chancellor and make this soap EPIC again.

However, all jokes aside, some of MAB's campy mess made me scream at the TV and I miss that. As long as live, I will never forget the Friday cliffhanger where Phyllis showed up at the Abbott Cabin during the Kangaroo Court against Adam with Dr. Taylor's letter saying Ashley had suffered a miscarriage. Many of you hated everything MAB did, but that, to me, was good soap opera. I also enjoyed the beginning of Diane's murder, until it draggggggggggggggggggggggggged on and became a disaster.

So at the end of the day, we know LML wrote un-Y&R like stories, brought in crap background music, and didn't have a really good grasp on the show, but kept minorities on the front burner and seemed to love writing for women over 40 (i.e. Nikki, Drucilla, and Gloria).

MAB made the show plot driven and campy, but maintained the show's signature look and made an (albeit unsuccessful) attempt to shake up the canvas. She kept vets featured, however had a BAD habit of bringing on talent from other soaps and given them nothing to do. That got old, so Ma Hell had to go! Although, I'd prefer she was the one writing Mrs. Chancellor's death and funeral...

Only thing I really can praise JFP for is the new sets. I love the Newman Penthouse and the new Chancellor living room most of all!

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FYI: Here is what she said.

FYI: Here is what she said. Jeanne Cooper from SOD in 2010:

"I had a talk with Maria Arena Bell that this has to stop," huffs Cooper. "There's such a thing when characters move into a secondary position for a small time, but when they do open their mouths, it should mean something. Katherine has never been a floater with, 'Yes, dear,' or 'Oh, I understand.' She says, 'You did it and you deserve it!'"

Cooper is also disappointed that the Kay/Tucker story hasn't really gone anywhere. "That started off great," Cooper acknowledges. "We had some dynamite stuff. They made Tucker such a dynamic person and an equal to Victor Newman, but now they've minimalized him and it hurts me because Stephen Nichols is such a good actor and we do get along very well. Katherine and Tucker have a wonderful love/hate thing, but that's been dropped. It doesn't make sense. Just like Mackenzie is living in Katherine's house and carried someone's babies. I maybe had two scenes with her the entire time. She's Katherine's only granddaughter and she doesn't give a flying fig about Mac being pregnant? I told them I'm not here so Katherine can serve rice pudding. They can put a blonde wig on someone else for that!"

Cracking more holes in your MAB theory! I do my homework!

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david, Lol! You really don't

david,

Lol! You really don't know when to quit, do you?

There is written proof, that Maria Arena Bell had nothing to do with Melody Thomas Scott's exit for six months on the show. It was all Sony, and Melody has in fact stated to her fans to "Not blame Maria, she has gone to bat for me". That is a known fact. And when Melody came back, she was sparsely used. That's just lie. First of all, she was thrust into the forefront, to get drunk, marry Deacon, fight with Victor and Sharon, made to be the killer of Diane in self-defense, take care of Jack, rival with Genevieve, fight with Victor, marry Jack to divorce him right away, get back together with Victor, etc.

Secondly, Jess Walton wanted her six month break to spend time with her new family in Oregon. SHE herself asked to have a leave of absense. There has been NOTHING whatsoever to prove anything otherwise.

And Eric Braeden is a non-issue. He has done these contract manouvers MANY times where is supposedly leaves the show in order to get more pay. And he has never left nor is he going to. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with Maria Arena Bell. And yet again, Eric has been extremely vocal about supporting Maria and wanting her to stay when she was fired. If Maria had tried to get rid of him, do you not think EB would know about it? Get real!

And Jeanne Cooper, did that yes. And did she walk? No.

But claiming that the VETS of the show did not get more story than they are getting now is just a blatant LIE.

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Yet those 4 vets came back,

Yet those 4 vets came back, and it was SONY/CBS that probably wanted them gone, not Saint Maria!

As far as Thom Beirdz goes, it was Maria that brought him back! She had the guts to do it! Alleged-'Saint' Bill Bell made the mistake-of-the-century by killing off Phillip Chancellor Jr in the early 90s, but Maria had the guts to bring him back. Didn't she win some award for doing that?

Plus, she finally undid what John Smith and Kay Alden did, by making Katherine and Jill mother and daughter! And by making Cane, Phil Jr. Ugh! Maria fixed that mess that LML created.

I remember Jeanne's interview, I've been posting on Soaps.com since 2007. Well MAB tried, and gave Jeanne a son and a grandson, and it semi-worked. She also gave Katherine front-burner during most of 2011, and I enjoyed it. The only thing MAB didn't do was put Katherine in The Park when Diane was murdered.

Tonya Lee left Y&R of her own free will, MAB didn't ask her to leave. Plus Olivia hadn't been doing much since Wesley Carter left in 2004.

Kristoff St John is what, on every day right now? Be honest, when was the last time Neil Winters was really featured? When? He had some banter with Leslie last week, and was a shoulder to cry on. But at Jabot, it's all the ever-exciting Tyler and Lily (whoo-hoo), with some Cane thrown in.

He's been on just as much as he was under MAB. Darius didnt work out as Malcolm, we all understand that. So the Sophia's baby is really Neil's didnt have the punch that it shoul dhave. But Neil isnt exactly burning up the screen right now.

In fact, it's Dylan is building a crib, Dylan is walking around with an ultra-sound picture, Dylan is working out with the Newman boys.

Be honest about MAB, that's all I ask.

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My point is and you can't

My point is and you can't deny that the way Maria Bell Destroyed Y&R. The ratings can attest to that is by far worse than LML. And that is not based on opinion. That's based on the rating decline. And it was a sharp decline. So you can't win this one.

And by the way "saint" Bill Bell got Y&R to #1 where it remained. He made a mistake or two in his life and would admit it. Maria Arena Bell would try to sell her mess as the best thing ever! She would never admit to being wrong. Because she didn't believe it. Even when the ratings dropped she thought she was comparable to Bill Bell. And she was far from it.

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Now boys, you all go back to

Now boys, you all go back to your respective corners, the past is done over and we can't go back there.

I am more than concerned about what's going on right now. If Josh were allowed to write for the show his way without interference and having to write in character's for the EP, things might be better. With no longer having Katherine that is a way to lull back in old viewers who left because of the bs, however, the Katherine/Jill story is now so convoluted and screwed up, will we get a good end???

But what do we have already.... a fence post with a house, a faux baby on the way and a bff on the way. NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO EFFING SEE. I don't care he doesn't belong on this show, BACK TO PORT CHUCK where they apparently love him. damn it... Angry

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I will go back to my corner.

I will go back to my corner. I like to work out, and I like to box, and I always stand up for Maria Bell!

The Show was #1 during all of Maria's tenure! That's it, for now!

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I will got back too. But

I will got back too. But remember Y&R has always had a larger audience then the other soaps so it takes longer for the ratings to drop to the point of losing its spot. But I was getting there under MAB. But i'm done.

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*Goes to corner*

*Goes to corner*

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Oh no....a Y&R

Oh no....a Y&R discussion/argument without me. How could you all!???!?!?!!! lol

Alright here's my two cent...

LML started out great. It hurts me to admit it, but I had gotten a little bored with Y&R after Michael/Lauren's marriage, and Sheila's disappearance, etc...but when LML started out (before she became EP and got total control), I thought Y&R was incredible. It was like fresh air was breathed into a somewhat stale show. But then she got complete control, and everything went to hell. The music disappeared and was changed to that annoying techno crap. The scenes were too fast. We had months and months of the "reliquary" crap that made absolutely NO sense, and we can all agree on that. Brad become some totally other person named George Kaplan (I think that was his name)...even though Jack had done a COMPLETE background check on Brad waaay back in the '80s and knew everything there was to know about good old Bradley. Victor was cutting out snowflakes...now I admit, I didn't mind that story. I thought it was actually pretty good, though EB hated it. We had Amber/Plum/Kevin/Daniel and their ridiculous bag-o-money stories. There were waaaaaaaay too many murders. Seemingly a murder every Friday cliffhanger. Overall, to me the show fell apart after a while under LML and I was SOOOO glad when she was fired.

Then comes MAB. Started out kinda slow to me. I'm not sure if it was JG or MAB that had Victor roaming around chapels, with Nikki searching for him for MONTHS AND MONTHS. I wasn't a fan of Gloria and Kevin taking advantage of Katherine who at the time was suffering from Lyme DIsease, but we all thought it was Alzheimer's or something. But then, I felt the show started kicking ass and taking names once Ashley returned, and that whole Paris storyline. THen the Katherine/Marge thing...to me, the show just got reaaaaaaaally good. But then, the end of 2008 got a little shaky with Crazy Annie and that huge butcher's knife holding Esther and KEvin and them hostage in that motel room with the bomb...that was a little hokey, but I held out hope. But then early 2009 saw the introduction of the Chipmunk. We watched that for what seemed like MONTHS. Then ole Ashley got pregnant, which began the complete downward spiral of the show. BUT, I must say, overall, I enjoyed MAB better than LML.

My biggest problem with MAB was that she did NOT use the black actors AT ALL. I have to disagree that Neil is being used the same amount now as he was with MAB. Neil was seen MAYBE twice a month under MAB, and so were the other black characters. And when they WERE shown, they were all thrown together in once uncomfortable scene where nothing really was going on.

So aside from her snatching up ABC actors, retired sitcom stars, and backburning the blacks, I felt MAB had more "classic moments" and "classic episodes" than LML. When MAB felt like writing a great show, it was obvious that SHE COULD. There were some extremely good episodes that stick out in my mind. Katherine's "funeral", MTS's last episode before her hiatus, where Ashley "Runs over" Nikki while Heather finds out that Adam slept with Rafe, etc...there are some episodes that were dynamic under MAB. HOWEVER, overall the show just sucked. And I defended her until the end, but that last year of her tenure at Y&R was absolutely PAINFUL for me. I couldn't even defend her anymore on this site, as bad as I wanted to.

Josh Griffith is one of the best choices for HW of Y&R at this point. If we can't get Kay Alden or SMS to return...he's a good choice. I just don't think JFP is a good executive producer for Y&R. I really don't. I think the show right now is better than it's been in yearsssssssssss, but there are some things that need to change. Mainly, Steve Burton is NOT leading man material for Y&R. Maybe he was for GH..but Y&R and GH are two different soaps, and he has HISTORY on GH. Avery to me is one of the sexiest women in daytime, but she's not LEADING LADY material for Y&R. These are two relatively NEW characters, and should be treated as such. The new music is hit or miss, but JFP needs to include some of the classic scores as well.

So I say, keep Josh Griffith. Throw in Kay Alden or Sally Morina-Sussman also as co-headwriters. Get Ed Scott (which I keep hearing will NEVER happen again...idk why tho) back as Executive PRoducer, and we have ourselves a show.

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While I think LML was bad ,I

While I think LML was bad ,I never stopped watching. Under MAB, I pretty much stopped watching for at least a year because it was soooooo bad.

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I aminterrrupting my work-out

I aminterrrupting my work-out to reply, that's how serious I am...

I must contest that MAB never used African-Amercians as actors and actresses. You weren't around, but I wish you could have seen Drucilla and her Mother back in the early/mid 90s. Best scenes ever. But, as far as MAB goes...

Devon was on EVERY day in 2011 and the first half of 2012 as Tucker and Harmony's son, and Kay's grandson.

Lily was on almost every day in the last half of 2011, trying to get her life back together with Cane.

Last half of 2010 and 1st half of 2011 saw a whole lotta Sophia, first being a businesswoman with Cane and Tucker, then as a love interest for the Winters Brothers.

Harmony, she was on twice or 3X a week from Oct 2011 to June 2012. So much so, that she became the 'other woman' for both Neil and Tucker.
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Now lets talk about my favorite Latina (besides my Mother, Auntie, and Daughter), Maria Arena Bell, and the fact that she rarely used Latino actors at all.

Raul's re-appearance after 3 years for 1 week at Katherine's pool, never to be seen again, 2008, comes to mind.

Bringing in Ricky, then killing him off. Eeeevil MAB, evil.
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The Show is on the fast downhill slide. No Nikki, No Jill, Kay's gone (she wasnt being used anyway), No Gloria, Kevin & Chloe, too much Dylan. So Red will be gone -- big, big loss! Summer is annoying, nuKyle is just plain ugly.

nuAbby (I like her, what a pretty girl, with some real emotion) needs to be hooked up with Alex as soon as possible, and get their romance going. That would be a big plus.

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@hey mon: No, they were not!

@hey mon: No, they were not! I am one to keep count of black actors and their screentime. Under Maria Bell the black characters were reduced to 4 episodes a month. Often time they were all in the same scene together. Even those thing you mentioned I remember and kept a count of that. Devon was not on everyday. There was a span of 2 weeks where he was featured more when they brought on Debbie Morgan. But after that it was back to the 2 to 4 episodes a month for him. African Americans on this show worked more prior to Maria Bell coming on. So don't even try to say that these characters were on everyday. It ain't true here, there are everywhere. Both Kristoff and Bryton spoke out about it. So don't even try. That is an epic fail there. EPIC!

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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/buzzworthyradio/2009/08/07/buzzworthy-radio...

http://daytimeconfidential.zap2it.com/2011/01/06/wowser-victoria-rowell-...

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@hey mon--yes, nuAbby has

@hey mon--yes, nuAbby has grown on me and I would love to see her used more. And, of course, Alex is being completely wasted which is a shame because the guy's got charisma and looks to burn. Those are two of several criminally underused characters that JFP/JG have indeed dropped the ball on(the others being Jill, Nikki, Noah, Paul and Cricket).

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Well david, no need to

Well david, no need to argue...

I guess we have a difference of opinion. I dont see what you see right now. I see Tyler and Lily on once or twice a week, and Leslie or Neil on the same. Not much difference.

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@Hey Mon: Cheers! As long as

@Hey Mon: Cheers! As long as I get the seat. Don't throw it out the window like Jack! Wink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oDeaG1Dxeg

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I have to agree with David on

I have to agree with David on this one...

Neil and Leslie are seen a MILLION times more now than they were under MAB. There's not a week that goes by where we don't see Neil. But there were weeks and sometimes MONTHS that went by with Neil under MAB. Now I defend her to a lot of people on this site because I don't think she was Satan the way everyone else was saying she was....BUT, when it comes to the AA, I too kept up with how often they were featured. And they rarely were...

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@ Yorkla ALL RIGHT now FIRST

@ Yorkla ALL RIGHT now FIRST OF ALL I will have you know that I have been on these boards for many years and I tend not to let comments personally offend me but your comments in regards to certain shows have always made me very angry in the past and I've said nothing about it, but you know exactly what I am talking about I'm sure and FURTHERMORE need I remind you how you were the ONLY one here who constantly praised that godawful MAB creation that was GenV? Furthermore I will also have you know that I have been watching Y&R for nearly 30 years now so I think I know a little more about what I'm talking about here than you do thank you very much. Lastly I will say that I do not appreciate some of the hostile remarks that have been made towards me and OTHERS here on these boards in the past.

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Not a million, but maybe 50%

Not a million, but maybe 50% more than under Maria Bell.

For example, I think we tend to forget...

June 2011 - Just how much Neil and Lily were on during the reveal that Cane was alive, and the Gen was his Mother. I'm not saying that was a good story-line, but I can tell you that in early June 2011, Neil was on 4 times that week, and 3 times the next. Likewise, Lily was on 4 times that week, and 4 times the next. In fact the Reveal that Cane was still alive s/l was featured so prominently that Ashley & Tucker Vs Katherine AND The Endless Newman Wars took a back seat during those 2 weeks.

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@ Eileen First of all, I have

@ Eileen

First of all, I have NO idea who you are, never seen you here before. Second of all, don't get all high and mighty with me, when YOU are the one who started insulting ME by saying "I don't know what I'm talking about". Umm: #1: Yes, I do. #2 Even if I didn't, that is absolutely NONE of your beeswax. I have not seeked YOU out and started to nitpick on what you are saying or claiming YOU to be a liar. YOU did that. So the only person you can blame for all of this is yourself.

Thirdly, "your comments in regards to certain shows have always made me very angry in the past". Okay - so what? Are you telling you ARE the show??? Because that is the only way you could possibly be offended by something that has absolutely nothing to do with YOU.

And lastly, saying things like I was the ONLY one defending Genevieve is just another blatant lie, and I'm sure goes to show even more of your character. There are SEVERAL posters who at one point in time said they LIKED Genevieve. The proof is on these very pages. And none of this has anything to do with her either.

And also, how on earth could you POSSIBLY know how long I have watching the show??? Have I stated it to you? And even if I didn't watch the show 30 years ago, which you CLAIM to have done, it does NOT mean I don't know anything about it. I will have you know Y&R was the second soap ever I got hooked on. Being a soap fan, or watching a soap does NOT mean you have to like everything on it.

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I liked Gen especially with

I liked Gen especially with Jack, but that was short lived. She was one of the ones that shouldn't have been written out.

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@everyone: The Y&R audience

@everyone: The Y&R audience overall didn't take well to Genevieve, but they did take to Colin. So they could have kept Tristan Rogers. But Genie Francis didn't have the overall fan support.

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david, Overall fan support

david,

Overall fan support was never the issue here. The claim was that only one person liked her character, which is simply not true.

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@Yoryla: Yes you had a few

@Yoryla: Yes you had a few other road-dawgs in that Genevieve camp! Steve I prayed for you guys. Innocent But there was a few more... Glasses Davie Crazy

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@ Yorla, FIRST of all I will

@ Yorla, FIRST of all I will have you know that I stopped posting here after ATWT was cancelled because I was very upset about it and if you don't remember that doesn't mean I don't still HAVE the right to express my opinion here just like everyone else, without being attacked or insulted by you. FURTHERMORE, as pointed out by David, the vast majority did not like GF on YR but you never accepted that and made a point of coming to argue with others about THIS on many occasions. During the entire GenV fiasco on YR you were primarily the one coming to praise GF and argue with everyone who disagreed and while I do not think that was appropriate of you I draw the line at being insulted for expressing my opinions and I've also have had enough of your sassy hypocritical behavior around here.

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Well, maybe I used a little

Well, maybe I used a little harsh words in my previous post. I'm sorry for that. I still stand behind the facts that I stated.

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Eileen, cant you take to

Eileen, cant you take to Private Messaging YoryLA, or something? Seems a bit angry for such a trivial argument.

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well, while we're at it, Hey

well, while we're at it, Hey Mon I can't stand you, David, OR Yoryla

Laughing out loud :D Laughing out loud

lol. Love you guys/gals (even tho me and Yoryla DO go at it from time to time)

But honestly Yoryla is one of my favorite posters. We can argue, and still be "DC friends" the next day. HAAA Laughing out loud

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As long as we all admit that

As long as we all admit that all Head Writers and Executive Producers have faults -- Bill Bell, Lynn Marie, Maria, JoshG, and JFP.

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stoney I actually like you

stoney Laughing out loud

I actually like you a LOT, but I can't say it out loud too much anymore, so that my arguments don't seem watered down Laughing out loud

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@everyone: Here is what has

@everyone: Here is what has been going on here in this forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XALtCF85bnU

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David...too good. That's one

David...too good. That's one element that Josh is missing. We need some bitch fests. Those two always were so great on screen.

But kinda going back to my original topic... Evil

I just read a tweet from Jess that said something like she was "finishing up in LA and would be heading back to Oregon soon..."

To me... that doesn't sound like there IS going to be a long term story with Kay's death. I'm getting ready to call in the troops if this is not handled so that the Kay/Jill legacy and the estate move forward. Crazy

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Love that Dru/Diane/Phyllis

Love that Dru/Diane/Phyllis clip! Those women were FIERCE.

Afterwards, wound up watching classic clips, especially one called: Nikki & Brad in Venice, with the background scores that were PERFECTLY placed!

An absolutely beautiful Nikki, a hot, hunky Brad, a normal, nice Sharon, a feisty Victoria (Heather Tom), a mumbling, internally strong Victor. Where are THOSE days???

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pferrando wrote:... I just

pferrando wrote:
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I just read a tweet from Jess that said something like she was "finishing up in LA and would be heading back to Oregon soon..."

To me... that doesn't sound like there IS going to be a long term story with Kay's death. I'm getting ready to call in the troops if this is not handled so that the Kay/Jill legacy and the estate move forward. Crazy

If this is the way things work out, I will not be a happy camper. The show was pretty good last week. I'm trying not to complain about the new people as much since
1. They aren't going anywhere.
2. Every character was new at one point or another.
3. There are some days when the show feels like good old Y&R.

That said, after Kay passes, they need to show Jill continuing Kay's legacy as THE strong mature woman at the center of the show.

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@Yoryla: That was before they

@Yoryla: That was before they stripped the show of all the veteran writers. But they are good!

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SoapArm....Yes, most of May's

SoapArm....Yes, most of May's shows were pretty good. And so was today. A decent balance and we had some of the newer characters on, but it wasn't overpowering like a lot of April after the anniversary week.

I do almost wish they hadn't recast Abby. The new one actually is a good actress, but is played nothing like the previous Abby we know. Is it just me or is every scene Chavez in a good one...Hot.

About a month away now until they reveal what will happen with Kay, and I'm very, very nervous.

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My daughter's Y&R watching

My daughter's Y&R watching group just gained a member. And I'm sure that SONY/CBS thinks that since my daughter's watching group gained a Y&R member (who just thinks that nuKyle is soooooo cute), that everything is hunky-dory. You see, SONY/CBS picked up a 19-yr old female viewer, so SONY/CBS considers JFP a success!

So the Lane people (females aged 13-25) are happy, cause Cane & Lily are on every day with their oh-so compelling story-line. Which is a s/l that is 7-months old, and is about whether or not Tyler is ever going to $hit-and-get off the pot when it comes to his near-insane MILF-fantasy Lily Winters Romalotti Ashby.

...and the High School/College-aged girls are happy... cause nuKyle is causing them to get their panties all twisted up, and so are the crazy, kooky, high-jinks of Summer, Courtney, and Fen down at Genoa City High School.

But the rest of us? Honestly, SONY/CBS really doesn't give a care about us.

More Jill? Jess Walton is already back at Crater Lake Country in Oregon, probably sitting on her back porch sipping iced tea, thinking about the past at Y&R. Michelle Stafford is gone a week, too. Let's see - Who's not coming back? Nina, Ashley, Cricket, any female over 45 yrs of age.

Katherine's legacy? I am feeling confident to announce that the misguided execs at CBS/SONY are thinking, 'Well, that tidily ends the Chancellor presence on The Show." And JFP is thinking, "I can add yet another relative or friend to Dylan's repetroire'.

Honestly, that's it -- no more Chancellors on the Show. Cane gets everything, end of story, and maybe, just maybe, the story is re-re-ret-conned that Cane is indeed Phillip Chancellor III, and deserves to run Chancellor Industries.

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@pferrando--Yes, every scene

@pferrando--Yes, every scene Chavez is in is a good one.

As for nuAbby, I really like this actress. And I actually appreciate that she's not trying to ape Marcy(Emme)Rylan's acting style. Maybe this is the part where Abby actually does grow up. Either way, I'd like to see her and Chavez on a lot more.

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I think there are a lot of

I think there are a lot of good points. Truth is debating between the LML, MAB and now JG/JFP years if futile. IMO none of them have been good for the show. It's been so long since Y&R has been "Y&R". Whenever we see a scene or an episode that rings of truth all it does is makes us nostalgic and hopeful one of these idiots will get it. Sadly the show as a whole is not good. It's not compelling. It's not Y&R anymore. For the last reason alone I can't get behind JG and JFP. Changing the tone of the show has not been an improvement.

In LML I liked that she paired Nick and Phyllis. I also liked the epilepsy story (I'm in the minority I believe on that one). I also like the addition of Adrienne Leon as Colleen and Eyal Podell as Professor Korbel. Other than that her term was a disaster.

In MAB her best stuff was during the first year. I enjoyed the after math of Sabrina's Death (though I hated the story). She did a good job with Marge's funeral. Drunk Nikki always rocked. Early Gloria/Jeffrey material added comic relief and I enjoyed them as a couple. Mostly I found her stuff either mediocre or just plain awful. Good riddance. Reading her interview in SOD, she had good points but hearing her critique the current Y&R reminded of the old adage of kettle meet pot.

Now the current regime has so stripped Y&R of it's identity I'm the most checked out of it I have ever been. I didn't even think that possible as a year ago I was burning sage every time the show was on in hopes of exorcising those writing demons, MAB, Hogan and Scott. Jill is quickly getting away from anything resembling Y&R I won't be the least bit surprised if in the next year the iconic theme music is gone too. She clearly has no regard to the house Bill Bell built and evidently arrogantly thinks she's does soaps better. She doesn't. Josh's writing is so boring I struggle to stay awake most days. He writes a smarter looking show but it's no less thoughtfully put together than MAB's. He drops his own plot points just as much as she did and changes things on a whim to suit story purpose (If Dylan couldn't afford to pay for Avery's services and live in a dumpy hotel room where did he suddenly get the money to buy Crimson Lights?). They both have infested the show with newbies and put them in lead roles while relegating our vets to the freezer. There is little to no build up of anything. These short arc stories are pointless and don't add to the bigger picture. Who will every remember Gus? There was no point to that story. Or Jacks 2 month addiction. Or the overhaul in music where we are bombarded with D-list musicians in non stop montages that are supposed to take the place of thoughtful storytelling. Some new scores are good but almost everything I have heard only adds to the dreariness of the show and is completely forgettable. I don't expect Josh or Jill will do a decent job writing Kay's death. I think they will fuck it up big time.

Really arguing about the regimes who have been in charge since William Bell passed is like arguing which of the apples on the ground is the least rotten.

I'll never miss or wish LML or MAB back and right now I already want sensible changes made in the EP chair and co-HW chair. Y&R won't sustain itself with this team. I just don't see it.

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Dylan should buy the

Dylan should buy the Chancellor mansion!!!

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I dont know who said it, but

I dont know who said it, but Dylan should be Katherine's long lost son, great idea. This whole bit of tying him to The Show thru Avery's flashbacks isn't working. In fact, he really does play The Other Man way too often.

Avery he cheated with, Chelsea wasn't divorced, etc. Honestly, the only person he has had chemistry with has been Sharon, and JFP & Josh G is angling now to get rid of Ms Case.

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@hey mon--Okay, Dylan's not

@hey mon--Okay, Dylan's not exactly my favorite(though I still like him better than Tyler) but I have to say I think he's displayed great chemistry with both Sharon and Chelsea. Only one he doesn't have an ounce of chemistry with is Avery. Which puts all those insta-flashbacks, not to mention present day scenes, DOA. Not that they weren't already of course.

Having said that, I want Chelsea back with Adam and I wouldn't mind Dylan being with Sharon(I personally don't think SC is going anywhere but I also never imagined MS would bolt either so.....).

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Chris, I'm just saying that

Chris, I'm just saying that Dylan needs an anchor to Y&R.

Being Avery's ex-affair is not enough. Buying Crimson Lights is not enough. Being Chelsea's baby-daddy is not enough. Nothing is enough to make this guy believable, and that he should stay in GC.